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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to All the Smoke. Oh my god, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be back, and it's going to be back home. My brother.

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Speaker 1: We got someone we've been trying to track that was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be our original guests. Y'all don't even know

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Speaker 1: that dude's supposed to be number one, but we got

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Speaker 1: him back. My other my year later, Welcome my man,

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Speaker 1: I got done. What's up? Guy? What what are you

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Speaker 1: formerly going by these days? How do you want the

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Speaker 1: we can address you a certain by, how you want

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Speaker 1: the public to address you? It's metal Sanda for artests.

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Speaker 1: I took my wife's last name and my last name back,

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Speaker 1: put it together, so I got married. She's Sanda for

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Speaker 1: and then the art. Okay, so she's Maya Sanda for artest.

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Speaker 1: I'm Medicanda for artests. Okay, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But Middle World peace? You know we um you know

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Speaker 1: I still go by that. Whatever transpired? What made you

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Speaker 1: want to change your name originally from from run or

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Speaker 1: test too? There's a lot of things, right, It's just

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Speaker 1: like where I was at in my career. You know,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't quite where I wanted to be at as

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Speaker 1: a bowler, you know, and then on a lot of

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Speaker 1: different levels. So and when things are getting in the

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Speaker 1: way of basketball, is like, that's what I want most

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Speaker 1: in anything. So I'm trying. I just want to win

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Speaker 1: a game. That's it at that point. So just like

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Speaker 1: trying to be a little bit different. You know, I

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Speaker 1: really like the sport. So I wanted to be who

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be rather than what somebody else thought

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Speaker 1: I was. That's it. That's it. So currently living in

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Speaker 1: l A, kids in college, married, How is life, man?

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Speaker 1: You see your your energy. I've been seeing you a

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Speaker 1: lot on Instagram, happy posting, just enjoying life. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: just happy man. My kids in college. My son's roun

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Speaker 1: I Test is UH basketball scholarship that you see Irvine.

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Speaker 1: He's a computer science Mason, which I'm very proud of him.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, anything you want to do, just joy, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, saying, don't be worrying. He can

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Speaker 1: shoot lights out, can't leave him over so or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Ronald Test is pursuing business and UH north Ridge season

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Speaker 1: and basketball scholarship. My daughter is in college, um, studying,

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Speaker 1: and my other daughters about to go to college. My

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Speaker 1: wife is graduated and pursuing acting and modeling. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And that's it. Everything, Everything is good.

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Speaker 1: You went back to school and tell us about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I went back to school, man, because I had to

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Speaker 1: learn s c USC. I went to u U c

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Speaker 1: l A for digital analytics and and on social media

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Speaker 1: and encoding, and then I went to you see, um,

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Speaker 1: I went to Concordia Irvine for business analytics, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? And just and then I was im coove.

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Speaker 1: I took Google Analytics, a two week course of Google

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Speaker 1: Analytics because I'm like, as an athlete, we want to

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Speaker 1: you know, sell much advice and do different things. So

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Speaker 1: I'm like, if I want to really get in, I

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Speaker 1: had to learns. We're on too smart for his on

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Speaker 1: damn good. I always tell me that everybody the yo. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I suppose I was a little bit more positive to

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Speaker 1: oout my career and I'm really lucky to have friends

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Speaker 1: like you. I'm not gonna lie, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Because I work, I ain't had a lot of friends

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Speaker 1: because I was always always want to compete. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's only want to play hard. I don't even care

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Speaker 1: about anything else, you know what I mean. So, but

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Speaker 1: you know, it was amazing. You're someone I always, even

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Speaker 1: though we're the same age, I looked up to you

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Speaker 1: just because of the way you played. You played hard.

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Speaker 1: It didn't matter. You just play hard on both ends,

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Speaker 1: play hard, tough, and that's you know what I tried

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Speaker 1: to do. And then I mean running into him. You

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Speaker 1: all ran into each other. I mean we're all cut

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Speaker 1: from the same type of cloth, so it was it

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Speaker 1: was an instant connection. We got to play together. So

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Speaker 1: it was dope. Yeah, I didn't know a lot of

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Speaker 1: things about you because just like listening to the interviews

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Speaker 1: that you're talking a lot, I didn't know a lot

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Speaker 1: of things. It's crazy you don't know what your your

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Speaker 1: teammates are going to. Lamar was going through his stuff, right,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, Yo, no matter what you're going through

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Speaker 1: as NBA player, That's why I love the bron so much,

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Speaker 1: kind of like, no matter what you're going through, you

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Speaker 1: always with your team because it's a different journey as

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Speaker 1: an athlete, because the whole Lebron still married, right, Different

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Speaker 1: things like that everything right. Yeah, these younger ones inspired me.

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Speaker 1: learned on the flight. I think they learned a lot

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Speaker 1: from us because you think about it now, like the

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Speaker 1: It was about jewelry, cars, about women. But now they're

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Speaker 1: talking about you. Now they're talking about like business and

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Speaker 1: investing right from the jump. And that was kind of

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Speaker 1: the turn of our error to these younger kids, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you always learned, but it

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Speaker 1: was hard, not for us because it went from like

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Speaker 1: a drug league to like getting clean to getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of money. And none of us ever had no money,

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Speaker 1: so they didn't different trickster, tricky trick man. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: tripped in, we tripped in, Oh my goodness, actually a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of knights. That was definitely the lifestyle. That

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Speaker 1: was like, right, that's what it was. Someone was now

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Speaker 1: to do it. If you wasn't gonna do it, someone

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Speaker 1: else will. I don't miss it. Nowadays they got they

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Speaker 1: go to the club. They got one homeboard with money

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Speaker 1: and it's about eight of them that's around him. That's

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Speaker 1: just trying to get what they can. But when we

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Speaker 1: was in the club, it's ten to twelve millionaires, all

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Speaker 1: from the ghetto, all having a good time. I'll remember

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Speaker 1: how we used to be when we played in the

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Speaker 1: bad when we was the Warriors. It would be funny

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Speaker 1: because the football dudes would get there first and try

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Speaker 1: to get all the women in the club to be

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Speaker 1: in their area. When I promised you we walk in,

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Speaker 1: walk in smoking, getting our second and how does it go? Everyone,

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Speaker 1: even some of them come to our section like that

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Speaker 1: used to be. Yeah, it used to be wild, bro,

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Speaker 1: I love your squad. Yeah, that was what I used

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Speaker 1: to come with our teams. Well, I came in the

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Speaker 1: locker room. He was everywhere with us. What do we

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Speaker 1: believe to y'all? Was just doing amazing stuff, right, and

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Speaker 1: I'm just like I gotta be that to the game.

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Speaker 1: Came to the locker room all. Can you imagine we

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Speaker 1: would have had him to guard like the boozers and

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Speaker 1: the mill Sack. We would have would have we could

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Speaker 1: have went to the finals. We could have went to

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Speaker 1: the finals. We would have wanted. Yeah, I was still

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Speaker 1: pretty good at that time. Crazy that you were still kidding?

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Speaker 1: He was like at that time, right, yeah. I was

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Speaker 1: only something. Yeah, and I too. I came back from

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Speaker 1: the bro and I got traded to Sack. I was

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Speaker 1: to seventy three. I told Rick Adam and I was like, yo,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I can play or contribute right now.

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Speaker 1: I said, maybe let me get in shape. Man, How

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Speaker 1: good of a coach was he? Did you like Rick?

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Speaker 1: I liked Rick? I love Rick. Good dude, good dude.

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Speaker 1: When when you hear the word queensred, what's the first

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Speaker 1: thing that comes to mind? Man? I hate Queen's red.

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Speaker 1: A lot of things, man, just like good bad. You know,

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Speaker 1: like you know Nas Mob Deep um capone because that's

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Speaker 1: like queens were rapping music, mc shan Tragedy, Roxane shwante

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Speaker 1: uh co Omega. That's a big bring. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Nature. You know, it's like really amazing. I

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Speaker 1: got stories with everybody, so it's it's really crazy. As

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Speaker 1: a kid, you're a fan, this is unbelievable. You know.

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Speaker 1: You see Nas walked there, you see co Omega. You said,

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Speaker 1: Hi the mom Deep, she doesn't believe what I'm like,

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Speaker 1: How did y'all do this? This is crazy? So I

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Speaker 1: have so much. I had so much. I see inspiration

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Speaker 1: So I'm a huge fan. That's why I playing of music.

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of the music part the queens

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Speaker 1: Bridge and you know, and that's why I wrap people

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Speaker 1: like why why you're at come yes to ask questions

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Speaker 1: where you come from? I want to be like that,

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Speaker 1: right And then I'm like my family was selling crack,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the same flow it having you still

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Speaker 1: live like you have it come up? You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, you know, it's plenty of times people

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So a lot of ships

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Speaker 1: like that. I was gonna, I was gonna flust the

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Speaker 1: drugs down the toile. At one time my cousin said

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Speaker 1: Right now. It was a lot of ship like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, my older brother with a jail ten years

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Speaker 1: was super small. He got a company called leafy On

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Speaker 1: Logistics right now ten years. But he's a brainiact. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's like it's crazy. You know. My other son's computer

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Ten years, no no negotiations,

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Speaker 1: me smart and yeah, and when he went to jails,

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Speaker 1: But then my people was like, I really feel like

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Speaker 1: we had a great time. We got a great fun time.

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Speaker 1: What did all that teach you? Like? How did what

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Speaker 1: did it shape you? What did it when when you

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Speaker 1: started going to these other cities you're a cream bridge

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Speaker 1: taking off and you start traveling in the world. Like,

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Speaker 1: what did Queen's Bridge teach you to be ready to

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Speaker 1: take on the rest of the world? You know what?

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Speaker 1: It took always all other people, because like right before

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Speaker 1: I was going to um high school, I was going

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Speaker 1: to my brother's school. My brother had beef. I looked

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Speaker 1: like my brother. I'm just saying ahead at that time

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Speaker 1: I go to school, didn't run up on me. Latinos.

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Speaker 1: So I'm I mean, I'm hitting you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Running to the principal's office. I'm like, oh wow, this

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Speaker 1: is crazy. You know what I'm saying. Yo, They said

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Speaker 1: when you're probably gonna suck you up, right. So I

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Speaker 1: got out of there home, told my parents woul happened.

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Speaker 1: I don't wanna call my parents because my dad had

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Speaker 1: come up there. My dad I seen him do it

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Speaker 1: to drug deal us. Dad, Please don't do that to him.

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Speaker 1: But he's dangerous, you know what I'm saying. You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. So like I got out of there,

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Speaker 1: I'm like shot Plain Bald and Riverside Church, Buckley. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then he's got me up Jesse. And it gave

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Speaker 1: me a scholarship to a sham g with Thesal Academy

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Speaker 1: or four years. I ain't had nothing. So that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: You know. That's Queensbridge, you know, like they talking about

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Speaker 1: talking a bit about the church team though the Riverside

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Speaker 1: Church team was dope. Lamara old him when did you

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Speaker 1: meet Loo? I met l he was eleven years old.

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Speaker 1: New York who was on that team at the time.

422
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: He recalled that was with nine that nine, that's your

423
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: rookie year ninety nine n nine. But I still respect

424
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: to play. They may run for the finals around that time,

425
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 1: right they did. I thought I could have backed up

426
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 1: Spreewell and yeah the season season, just play some defense.

427
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: The game, I'm imagine run coming off the bench, get

428
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: something games. But it is that. But it's also like

429
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to down the next. I love the next.

430
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: Like I know, people talk about doing whatever the case.

431
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a nick fan, so I'm like, I'm a fan,

432
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: like a real fan, so I want to see him

433
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: do well. You're always even the years I wasn't thinking.

434
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 1: I was always like the wood if if this motherfucker

435
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: didn't get drunken from me and goes, he could have

436
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: been in the believable. That's classic. So Chicago Bulls, like

437
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 1: you said rich in history, Michael Jordan, Pip, you guys

438
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: got a good young team. There. Eb is there too, right?

439
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: Is Elton there? Elton is there? Right? Because also, yeah

440
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: we got he got the first pick, Lamar went four

441
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: and I was sixteen year Oh my god, I told

442
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: you the team was crazy that's that was an amazing experience.

443
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: That was an amazing experience. I heard a story about

444
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: you being drafted and playing for the Bulls and then

445
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: going having a side job the best body. That was

446
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: real to Sugar City that it was real. It was

447
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: just one of the discounts on the electronics and I

448
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: I was just trying to stay out in trouble. I

449
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: was like having man, I was looking at everybody up

450
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,719
Speaker 1: there with computers and I'm tripping you was looking everybody

451
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: was heard in Chicago to yeah, I got a discounts.

452
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: I got a good discount. Man. I was like, you

453
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: know we go at that time. First, you know, you

454
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,479
Speaker 1: got some money in ninety DVDs so I could buy

455
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: ten DVDs. This is crazy, this is crazy. I could

456
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: buy a fucking a stereo and funk I want right now? Yeah,

457
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: you know like like that, that's like crazy, that's crazy.

458
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: I want to TV. I'll give my TV half half

459
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: a half off everything. And then I got two of

460
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: my boys a job. There, Kit and Cedric, my boys.

461
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: Dad was with me today was you know what, got

462
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 1: a job? This is crazy. Y'all got the house full

463
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: of everything? Yeah? Did the teams say, well, all right,

464
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 1: So when I applied for the job, I got the paperwork, applied.

465
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: I never had a real job. About like I worked

466
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: at like a Bagger for a week from my at

467
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: my dad's job. I never had no real jobs. Mother's

468
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: final paperwork. Yeah, him. I had the job. And then

469
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: I got out to the media. And then you know

470
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: Terry Cross, my guy Jay Cross, he was just like, listen,

471
00:24:45,840 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: you cannot even working. That was like working ship. My

472
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: face hurts. So your first taste of basketball, what's NBA? Like,

473
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: who's the first superstar you ran into? The first superstar

474
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: that I ran into? You got the guard? Yeah? Like,

475
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: what was your first introduction to My first game was

476
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: against the next Yeah, I have fifteen points. It's crazy,

477
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: thirteen points at a three point a while it Sprett

478
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: well Hest was going at him. Yeah, I love I

479
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: love those guys, you know what I'm saying. Just like

480
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: everybody talking about Jordans, these guys are amazing. Did you

481
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: take it personal like that they were the next Try

482
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: to compete? I compete at that game I played. I

483
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: tried to do my best. Elton came in the league

484
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: cooking aft. Yes, I have twelve you know what I mean?

485
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: Elton was nice, you know, and that was you know,

486
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: that was just amazing, like those guys, and then I

487
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: got a chance to iverson. You know, I can't remember

488
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: the exact numbers, but I always think about, like how

489
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: did I lock it? Do somebody up? That's how I

490
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: be thinking about. I don't know what you think about,

491
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: like when you think about your career, maybe how you

492
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: were shooting, how he was like maybe Lebron's like a

493
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: star Kobe r I pr brother Kobe. He's like a start.

494
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: He's thinking for different lens, you know, to get some gratification.

495
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: So like that, you know, how much did somebody have

496
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: against me? Lebron? He he? Lebron came into the league.

497
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: First game in Indiana. Oh so piss first game Indiana,

498
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: he gave me twenty five. He went to the fans

499
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: and said, this is your best defender. Right. I heard

500
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: this right, I'm furious. I'm I walked the other way.

501
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, this kid is great. I got out of

502
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: these kids looking really good. But I'm super fucking passy.

503
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: Disrespect me and I want to walk up to this

504
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: motherfucker and you know he but he bought my ass, right,

505
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, so he you know what I'm saying. First game,

506
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: So that was like, wow, this is crazy, So, um,

507
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: I really I really respect that. That's why to me,

508
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: he's like I have that type experience. Jordan gave us

509
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: forty also, so that was crazy. Jordan comes into the

510
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: gym forty. Oh my goodness, this is a wizard, right

511
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: the Wizards Jordan's and I'm just competing playing hard for you.

512
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: So that was like kind of crazy, man. So you know,

513
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that was like, um, I

514
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: didn't realize Stackers that good. You know I'm watching you

515
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: taking you are a team player? Yeah that people know

516
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: you were like, you are definitely team You are a

517
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: team leader. Yea at his best right, So he's he

518
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: going to sacrifice and he's gonna give you what he got.

519
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: I just knew he was gonna get JIMP together. And

520
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: when I left, I'm like, oh, I didn't realize you

521
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: was that good. But me and him was arguing about

522
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: who's going to guard the best players every night? Every night?

523
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean this guy, so he took the pressure from me.

524
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: That's why I was averaging because you got all of

525
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: those guys I'm doing, but the ones that was bigger

526
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: than me. Like I would go out to two guards

527
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: that could move, but the two guards that was twos

528
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: and threes like Paul and all of them. Now you

529
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: go wrong, you got them. I'm getting I'm gonna chase

530
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: Ripper HAMMD. Yeah, I give him a round. I let

531
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: Ryan and Ryan to wrestle him down too. I just

532
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: knew he was going to get a chip. Bro y'all

533
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: had a hell of a team. Man. That year. We

534
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: had a hollow team that Yeah, it was. I still

535
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: loved that year. You know, I still like I haven't

536
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: really like kept in contact with the players. I wish

537
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: I would have done. When I looked back at that,

538
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: it's like, you should just go to lunch, go to

539
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: go out. I know you don't like your player right now.

540
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: You had a little issue practice, but let it go. Yeah,

541
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like that type of ship,

542
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, because I know Jamal tensely from you, but

543
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: we came to practice. He was on the same page, y'all.

544
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: Was that was really your closest friend on our team,

545
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: Jamal Jal, Like even when when like you will be

546
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: going at ours with all us, Jamal was the under one,

547
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: the only one that understood you you're a lock away

548
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: from us, but some type of way, you'll be over

549
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: there talking to Jamal, Like Jamal always had a relation

550
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: ship with you, bro, But I think he had a

551
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: relationship like that, his relations with everybody on the team. Yeah,

552
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: he was. He's a real leader. Like I don't think

553
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: I gave him but actually that's not true. We gave

554
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I don't think I gave him

555
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: enough like respect, like do your thing, but that's not true.

556
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: He was team players now, he ran out, he ran

557
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: the team. He was amazing at it. Yeah, I thought

558
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: he I thought he was really really good, and he

559
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: was getting better and better and better. And then obviously

560
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: Jermaine was a great leader. You know, I always thought

561
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: is great leader. I always thought, like, you know, you

562
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: compete to be the best, but sometimes like if it's

563
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: two really good players on the same team, like emotionally publicly,

564
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 1: you don't have to you don't have to compete. Right,

565
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: just played the game, but you can still do things

566
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: like come down, take the rebound and run off of play.

567
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: Anytime you want to do what you want right and

568
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: leave all the other stuff out. You could totally to exist,

569
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: you know, you totally co exist. But when when they

570
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: gained the contract a little sense of the contracts, you

571
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, That's where he started, you know.

572
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: And that's when you when you hold the grudge, you

573
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: feel like everything is attacking. All this has happened in

574
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: the year before I come. This happened before you, before

575
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: I get say all this happened the year before I

576
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: come to contracts that used to the conference finals against

577
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: you tried to where it started. All that happened the

578
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: year before I got there. But the thing is, it's

579
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: still a lot of money. Like if the NBA team

580
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: offer you money, like and I see this happened, a

581
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: lot of players, not just me, who'll get mad over

582
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: contract start being disruptive. I've definitely not the first one, right,

583
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: but I would give it. My advice would be like, Yo,

584
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: whatever money you've got somehow, that's when you deserve right, right,

585
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: because it is what it is business. So I didn't

586
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: think about you get what you negotiating and you're still

587
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: making a lot of money, you know what I'm saying,

588
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: you can still have. It's still a lot of under

589
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So um, when I look

590
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: back at it, I wish I would have addressed things

591
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: a little bit differently, but we still don't start line

592
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: up me. You. Yeah, we had a great team, jo

593
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: Jeff Foster, Jamal Tens, great team. Then we had everything

594
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: on the bench. Jeff Foster well always he competed well

595
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: against Ben Willass. I felt like Bill Wallace was always great,

596
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: as we know, but Jeff and Ben with the competed.

597
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: They competed. They both played harder, and they had similar games.

598
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: And we just have been with just a little bit

599
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: more athletic, but they had a similar games. Games. So

600
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: you get to you get to in the end of

601
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: what year should I get? You get there? Oh two?

602
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: I got traded in old two O one O two

603
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: in February. Yeah, I got traded in Miami. I was

604
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: doing a lot of wild in Chicago. Jerry Cross has

605
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: enough Indiana just said, all right, real take him. What

606
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: was that experience like being traded? It was tough, you know,

607
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of ups and downs there.

608
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: I love Chicago. You didn't go far. Yeah, you know

609
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: at that point then I had, you know, my son

610
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: Jeron came at that time, so I was raising some babies.

611
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: Geron our tests, um and he lived me for a

612
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: year and a half. So I started out you know

613
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: with my first wife, kim Shaw. You know what I'm saying.

614
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: So and I have you know, four kids total, you know,

615
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: so it was a lot of transition at that point,

616
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, especially somebody that want to be a good parent.

617
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: All right, I love my babies. I'm not tripping. I'm

618
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: happy with all my babies. They live with me, I

619
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: was saying, right now, you know, so we're cool, but

620
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: not having time with your kids is like not good.

621
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: It bothers you. Right. So at the same time doing if,

622
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing it as best as I can, like I

623
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: wanted to raise them. So we were together for a

624
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: year and a half with him, you know, and then

625
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: that relationship went seuth. You know, everything most mostly because

626
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: of myself. Right, you know what I'm saying, everything mostly

627
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: because of me. And then um, I tell them, you know,

628
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: I started taking parents in classes in Sacramento. Is trying

629
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: to do things a little bit differently, parenting counseling, marriage counseling,

630
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: and man, you're doing counseling in Indiana. I didn't want

631
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: to do that. Ship man, they had both us doing

632
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,719
Speaker 1: that doing that Al yeah, I be doing that ship too. Man,

633
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: she was wasting my goddamn time. I feel like it

634
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: was it was cut into my smoking time. I feel

635
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: like it helped me a little. Give me all that, bro,

636
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: I got to ask you this question. So please walk

637
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: math through the source A war situation. Oh yeah, I'm

638
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: so happy we're talking about that. Yeah. Please, because let

639
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: me tell you what I remember after practice, were in

640
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: the huddle. We had a great practice. When we huh

641
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: down season at started? Damn? Then train the camp still, Yes,

642
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: we are in we had a great practice. Someone, we're

643
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: looking like a championship team early one second, y'all want second, y'all?

644
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I've just I really think that at

645
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: this time another season finished start. I know we got championship.

646
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: We think about win the championship, but I think I

647
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: need to take some time off to finish my rap album.

648
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what to myself, I'm

649
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 1: doing myself. I just love the fact that he had

650
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: the boss to say it. I can't even, man, you

651
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm thinking. You know, I ain't think we

652
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: had season they started yet, so I don't know where

653
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna go. So my mind's first year there. This

654
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: is my first year. I'm just getting on the team, right,

655
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: so you know, you know, so I give them to

656
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: the first thing I do down around my locker. You're

657
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: the first thing I do. Let y'all know I'm here, right,

658
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: So he said that. The first thing in my mind

659
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just meeting him, so I'm not even man,

660
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, this motherfucker's a legend, you know what, because

661
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: I see he's serious. Now you take it from there.

662
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: You're taking from there. I'll take you from there because

663
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: like I'm like, Okay, this is my guy. This is

664
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: definitely my guy. This is our locker room. This is

665
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: this is the locker room. This is our team. I

666
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: mean that whole situation with the bloods and crips, you know,

667
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: like I person ships with people that are like, but

668
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm not involved in anything anything. You never have, right,

669
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: which is all good. Anybody everybody has their preference. So

670
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: the source of was my grandma just passed away right

671
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: October at that time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, So it's

672
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: crazy at this point, Oh my fucking goodness. Right, So

673
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: I go to the hospital in New York. That's where

674
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: the first place I gone. You didn't show up Lake,

675
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: you showed up late. Yeah, okay, yeah, you're right, you're right.

676
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: My first place. And then you know, she was out

677
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: of commission. She was out of commission at this point.

678
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: So she held my hand, grabbed my hand as the

679
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: last as the last movement she made. My mom and

680
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: my Auntie said, like you he was gonna crying and stuff,

681
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: And MoMA Auntie said, uh, she was waiting for you. Really,

682
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: you think so cool? Cool? I'm good, I'm good. I'm good.

683
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: So at least I know I got the last experience,

684
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: you know. Then literally she passed away. There was no

685
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: more gatherings like she was the grandma brilliant, the lunch

686
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: on Sunday and in the hood. My boy Stephone Bonds

687
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: is from. It's like the New Orleans, New York City,

688
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, but he was there

689
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: and that in that community was an amazing community. Also,

690
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, like I had a lot of great relations

691
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: from Rock you know. Um, so I'm like, all right, cool,

692
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: we're done. We're done grieving what we were doing. Who

693
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: the fucking sauce of wards? Fucking That's what it was.

694
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: Same thing. I was there for a couple of days

695
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: and got it in the reason fucking Miami. Man' here.

696
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm not fucking getting in trouble. I'm here,

697
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: find me man. Man. He was like, man, I'm I

698
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: just feel that something I need to do. And brigs like, man,

699
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: we will talking about that. So were like in my

700
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: mind like man, coaching, I'm gonna talk about of it. Yeah,

701
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: I'm watching the sauce of awards. Done give a well one.

702
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, he is a legend. He is. Somebody said

703
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: you want I'm like, you know what, I love rapping

704
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: at this point. You know, I want to do both.

705
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: I want to play. You're rapping how I want to

706
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: do it, and you can't do that as a baller,

707
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: right Like we love like Damian Lille, Kevin Durant, all

708
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: these guys, Kobe Brown, RP, Brother Stack, Jack Baron, Davis,

709
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: Elton Brand got some good music that nobody ever heard that.

710
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: I've heard thirty songs. B B. He's an amazing guy.

711
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: He's so professional, always been since he was a kid,

712
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: like Ada, never in trouble. Yeah, amazing guy. Played with

713
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: this guy for five years, you know what I'm saying.

714
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: So it was it was. It was amazing, just so

715
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: many different experiences. Man, Um, sometimes I do. I heard

716
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: I stay on the show, and I was watching like

717
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: all your shows. I was like, um, yeah, I forgot

718
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: your question. I was unless that's how here right now? Yeah,

719
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: like I said, I was watching it. You was on

720
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: that given the way at water, I'm like, he really

721
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: motherfucking went to the sauce of I didn't think it

722
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: was harmeful because, like you know, I was doing other things.

723
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: You know, we weren't like we know, we weren't really

724
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: tripping like you know what I'm saying. It was. It

725
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: was a shock to everybody. How long until you came

726
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: back to the team. Um it took me, um, well

727
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: like maybe four days, five days, maybe three days. Wasn't

728
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: that bad, you know, just his basketball is a fucking

729
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: play at this point, I know how to do it.

730
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: Do you remember this, but it was very disrespectful to

731
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: the team, By the way, do you remember this? When

732
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: I think this is like a little bit after that,

733
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: And this might have been around that time practice about

734
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: to start. On to myow, we didn't that warming up.

735
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: Nobody see you, nobody heard from around. We all them

736
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: blew your phone up and you normally I saw all

737
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: our cars like ship man, Well this motherfucker at Man

738
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: were in there, bring it in. We walk up everybody, one,

739
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: two three, so as we say team, this motherfucker hits

740
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: the garage door boom, practice uniform already on air force

741
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: once church socks, let's go, let's go and s nothing

742
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: bro and got to went to work and practice dogess

743
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: and ones with church socks. No take, no nothing broon,

744
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: he said, he the dog boom, Let's go. Like I'll

745
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: be at the club in Indiana to like three in

746
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: the morning and we go right to the gym at

747
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: that point in time, like I was shot at that time.

748
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: So I was playing well, but you know, I love

749
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: the game and I felt like I was always ready

750
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: to play some I'm like, what we understood? What now?

751
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: We knew one thing about it regardless what was going on.

752
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: When games start, we can count on it on both ends.

753
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: And it ain't too many people, you know what I'm saying.

754
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: It ain't twenty people in the league I played with

755
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: that I can say that I played on some good

756
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: teams with me and you and beating some guys, the

757
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: defenders that really approached the game with the same attitude

758
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: we all apposted the same way. You know what I'm saying,

759
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: At all costs, were going, We're gonna give everything we got.

760
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: It's very few people like that, but we knew we

761
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: can count on him down. And I knew from me

762
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: intimidating guys, I knew how people were scared of him.

763
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He getting tend to twelve

764
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: points just out of layups because Jamal tens is one

765
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: of the best pass in the world. So he's sailing.

766
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: It's a post play we run where I run across

767
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: the screen for him. If my man switches the two

768
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: guard on him, if the three guard don't switch, the

769
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: roan got himsels under basket, Jamal tens just giving to

770
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: end up get twelve points a game. Jamal Tensley like

771
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: great on Lebrun, Oh my god, he would have been great. Yeah,

772
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: Brian had a lot of great point guards. I'm just saying, like,

773
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: because you know, when you're screening and getting position, you

774
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: know all that he just find all you gotta go

775
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: up eight points like that every game. Every game he

776
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: got about eight points. We had a lot of guys

777
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: that understood you too on our team. You know what,

778
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we all come from the same walks of life.

779
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: But like even when you go off the rail, you

780
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, we understood you. Yeah, yeah, and

781
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: I feel appreciated about you guys that stop. When I

782
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: wined the championship with the Lake is the first thing

783
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: I think was Indiana. I went to a whole was

784
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: going to the whole other bunch of ships at that

785
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: time due that whole time. It was crazy, but I

786
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: was getting through it as Dannie Washing held us down.

787
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: To Dannie Walsh, amazing guy, he held us down, amazing guy,

788
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: like a dad, like you know what I mean. That's

789
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: one thing I mean, you learn more than ever today's

790
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: You just never know what someone else is going through,

791
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And in the grieving process

792
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: and the understanding process is different for everybody. Like you said,

793
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: you had to bounce to Miami to clear your head.

794
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: You just left your grandma. You're clear, and then you

795
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: came back and went to work. But you just never

796
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: know on a day to day basis what someone else

797
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: is going through. So you try to try to be

798
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: good everybody if you can. Yeah, definitely, absolutely, But it

799
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: was still but everybody, every basketball player is different. R really,

800
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: we all know people on teams, so you know, but

801
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: it was still good to be like that from a

802
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: basketball standpoint. It was still solid. It was still up.

803
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: I had to think Indiana because I know as a kid,

804
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to be the best, and I had a

805
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: chance to be the best there. I mean, I think

806
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: about it, that's a big accomplishment for me to even

807
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: though I went the other way. So I always church that,

808
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, um, Isaiah Thomas gave us this thing before

809
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: that said championship, like that's what everybody was thinking. I

810
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: was a little disruptive. You know. They fired Isaiah at

811
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: one point in time because it wasn't no chemistry between us.

812
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: So you know, but I got a lot of love Indiana.

813
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: I can go on and on Indiana. Ask question docs

814
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: I got, I got another, I got a couple of

815
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: most stories. So I'm gonna keep so we all get

816
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: to y'all, I think we gotta do more on this.

817
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: We gotta get in depth on this next question. I

818
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 1: mean the game against obviously, it started in the Eastern

819
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: Finals the year before Jack comes that next season and

820
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: then you guys get in a tool with you know,

821
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: the Infamous Malice and the Palace talked, I'm gonna both

822
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: y'all just talk to me about because I remember where

823
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: I was at at the two. I was the Sacramento

824
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: at the time. I was a Sacramento at the time.

825
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: And it was at halftime of the game, and you know,

826
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: sometimes the TV beyond and all of a sudden we

827
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: see a fight in the whole team, coaching staff and

828
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: all we come back in the game and relate to

829
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: the second half because we're watching you guys fight. It

830
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: was just it was it was the attention. You could

831
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: feel it before in the warm ups, and I didn't

832
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: know the magnitude of the attention, which we had a

833
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: robber between them to you know what I'm saying. But

834
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gang, I'm down this inside, I'm on.

835
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm righting, you know, Riff, And that's my boys even trying,

836
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: that's that's my bars. I'm cool with them. But at

837
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: this point, you know, how we ride we on this side.

838
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking, Alady to put you in that position.

839
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: That's why, because I don't know. I'm happy. I'll hearnthon,

840
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: wasn't they all? So I don't know, I don't know

841
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: what he would have done, and I was, I'm sorry, abou,

842
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: like I know, you're a real one, and I knew,

843
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: like if anything happens, we're gonna jump in and you know,

844
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: and that's when I learned a lot from that. I

845
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: don't take my friends out, sorry, my certain friends at

846
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: that time. I always make sure we was in the

847
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: best spots and I don't even have security comes sometimes

848
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: just to protect my friends. And you told me that

849
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: after after right after that, I get what I get

850
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: to what he told me after that. But you can

851
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: feel attention, bro, you know what I'm saying that, Like

852
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: I knew it was a good team. Everybody saying we

853
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: could possibly win the championship. So this game against him

854
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: measuring instead right, and we end up we're blowing him out.

855
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: Were blown to my blowing him out. He had a

856
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: great game. I had a good game. What what part

857
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: of the season was that? It was just like nineteen

858
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: games in November, Yeah, November November, not even Christmas ship Christmas, yeah, yeah,

859
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: but we had we we was like what four or

860
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: five games about five? Yeah, He's like we were seven

861
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: two yeah something like yeah. So we was on a

862
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: good start. I remember the end of the game. I'm

863
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: at the free throw line. I turned around. I had

864
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: Jamal say something to you next to you know, I'm like, no,

865
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: I go out Ben, because I didn't know exactly what

866
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: he said. You know what up? But I know bullshit

867
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: because I know Jamal. He had me on bullshit and

868
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: get san Antonio. So I know the team you play.

869
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: If you if you got any type of ship you

870
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: want to get off your chest during the game, Jamal

871
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: is gonna be the one to remind you. Okay, trust me.

872
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: He don't forget nothing. So I caught him and I'm like, nah,

873
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: I got Ben, So look now you go, I don't

874
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: know what happened here before that. Yeah, he was just

875
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the story quickly. And you said, I

876
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: know you said no easy baskets. Yea, even if we up,

877
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: no easy basges. And I just let Ben go by

878
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: score because I'm trying at the time right out you

879
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm trying to just let it,

880
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: let the clock. We get out of here, and Ron

881
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: comes piusing and I remember saying it wasn't it wasn't

882
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: that that reaction was the same reaction like James, because

883
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: I didn't really flush hit and he wouldn't have a

884
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: not it was. You can look at it closely. I

885
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: was right next to you. You look at he dropped

886
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: like a sack of potato. I hate that image is

887
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: one of my wife. That's sometimes I hate that image.

888
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: But it was like James Harden gave me a little nudge, right,

889
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: a little nudge. It wasn't that big. The same thing

890
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: I did with been Well. I shouldn't have brought that up,

891
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: but uh, you want to talk about it, I can

892
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: talk about it, by the way, you know. But yeah,

893
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: you know, I just laughing, Matt, What are you dropping? Like? Matt?

894
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: You know what? I meant to do it right there?

895
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: So I meant to get there right now. But because

896
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: you guys suspended for the playoffs, and that funked us

897
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: up to you, I don't get suspending for the playoffs.

898
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what happened. I got spending for seven games.

899
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: Was that before the playoffs? Yeah? One game and then

900
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: I got to spending six games in the playoffs and

901
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: I came game seven. It was tied up against Denver.

902
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: In game seven, we won the game. But um, but

903
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: so like when he when he nudged me, because I

904
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: thought dunked it. I got the dunk, banged it. I

905
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh shift, I'm hyped up, two hyped, sucking

906
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: Mike Brown. This is what's really happen. And I'm not

907
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: blaming nobody. I'm telling the story and this is like, oh,

908
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: but like Mike Brown comes to me, I'm in zen

909
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: mode at this time, right, I'm trying to be meditated.

910
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: You know, when I play with the straight faces, I

911
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: don't try not to get too excited to play, you know,

912
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: becauld you know, you'd be dunking on people like are

913
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,479
Speaker 1: you like you know, but I can't get that emotion.

914
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't because it's like it's too much emotion in

915
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: the game and I want to just play in that set.

916
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't want no issues. Mike Brown says, Yo, I

917
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: need more energy. Come on, I need that rock, you know.

918
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: So I got a dunk, right, and at this moment

919
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: James nudged me. I'm like, get off me. I thought

920
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: it like I thought they'd been like his on the shoulder,

921
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: like get like like just rubbed, get off, you know,

922
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: not like an elbow. No, not right. So that kind

923
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: of hurt me a lot um But that was the

924
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: same fat like a Ben Wallace. But if you see

925
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: me with Ben Wallace, you up now. I didn't put

926
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: it up. I want like this because I was gonna

927
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: say my bad at that point because and when he

928
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: pushed me, I'm like, all right, venus man, right, I

929
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to. I didn't want I wasn't trying to

930
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: get been mad. He was mad. There was mad, and

931
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: his parents just passed. He was just too, he was

932
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: I didn't Yeah I didn't. Yeah, it was death too,

933
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I was like, oh I

934
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: found out. I found out later. So but for me,

935
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: this is me and been Willace Beef as basketball. He's

936
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: getting Defensive Player of the Years and I want that,

937
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: that simple one, right, Yeah, yeah, I was gonna get it.

938
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: I led the league in text flagrants. Media is not

939
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: voting for you know how that goal and you you

940
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: wildn't know it was for you, buddy. So he was close.

941
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: And then I came back and got it the next year.

942
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: I was gonna get it again. He got it when

943
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: I got to spend it. Yeah, yeah, he would all

944
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: get that, right, He's a great That was then opportunity

945
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: right there. So I think that's where you know, we're

946
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: on the what me and bend and guard each other

947
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: and we was busting the ass. But sometimes me and

948
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: Ben will get into the mix. So we have pushed.

949
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: It seems strong, you know what I mean, Like we

950
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: heard the two best defenders in the league. If we

951
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: don't and I don't, I can't do what he do

952
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: rebound and I'm not. That's not what I do. He's

953
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: amazing at that. But on this side, I'm like, this

954
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: is me right here, you know what I'm saying. So

955
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: I really hope he makes a Hall of Fame, like

956
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: I really do him. You know, actually he's a whole famous.

957
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: This is not I've never talked to him. He did

958
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: say one thing, which I get it. He's a he was,

959
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: He's a real he's a real one. But he did

960
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: say like one things that you know, like I don't

961
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: care what Metas Goron is going through. Somebody asked me question.

962
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: He don't tell. He don't talk about it much. He

963
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: don't talk about it much. It is what it is.

964
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: It's fine. Everybody is different, you know, but that personality

965
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: after he pushed you, we all knew. Yeah, even you're

966
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: talking about you saying therapy helped you we all knew

967
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: what you were supposed to be doing, Like when you

968
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: get to the point where you got mad, so we

969
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: all knew what you was going do. You gonna go

970
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: somewhere and sit down, So we knew we knew he

971
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: was going to do that. Thank you, you know what

972
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We all knew, I know, the world didn't

973
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: know you was gonna go lay on the table. We

974
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: knew you you was gonna go isolate yourself, and that's

975
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: why we all knew that. So when you when you

976
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: put the headphones on and Reggie went Reggie went planting

977
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: so regiment right on topic, right by you and put

978
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: his hand on your chest. Because we all knew, you

979
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, we're supposed to do the world

980
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: and no, you know what I'm saying. So everybody thought

981
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: he was being an asshole, you know something about putting

982
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: the headphones on, so that I think that piste being

983
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: off when he started throwing throwing more stuff at him

984
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: and then at him though this is crazy. At this point,

985
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: the referee did a harbor job or moving everybody. So

986
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: what was what you was thinking of when that was happening. Well,

987
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, at that point I got hit me in

988
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: the eye. Hit me in the eyes. So now I'm like, yo,

989
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: what the funk like this? And I'm talking to it.

990
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: So anyways, it's too much promotion. The rest I thought,

991
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: you say, you know when somebody does something that out

992
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: and let's call them off. I've seen this happen before.

993
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: I've seen referees go and they sprint to a position

994
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: where they get some space, you know, the funny, and

995
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: they're going out of here. You know, you know, everybody

996
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: got their little moods. Boys, I love them. I got

997
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: a great relationship with the refs, but you know, they

998
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: really entertaining none of that. Where is that? Where was that?

999
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: So ben still and stuff? And then all of a sudden,

1000
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: a motherfucking beer comes down. Oh my goodness, and you

1001
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: see what did you see? Who thought what hand was raised?

1002
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: How did you know what direction it came from? I

1003
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 1: thought it was Randy Johnson and Nolan Ryon. Perfect many

1004
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: mothers with precision right in the face. Didn't waste nothing

1005
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: like he followed throat with their mother Like, yeah, for

1006
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: real that it dead owned dog about six rolls up.

1007
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: Perfect hid definitely Randy Johnson. There's only a few people

1008
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: that could, like Steve Nash, a perfect path. Oh my god.

1009
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: But it was crazy because I was leaving in the

1010
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: direction this way when I got hit. I was always

1011
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: just bullshit, I'll get tired, right, So and I turned.

1012
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: I saw it. It came from side this poin. I'm

1013
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: not worried about that, you know, I'm not worried about

1014
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: being at this. I saw you just hear what a

1015
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: fucking bear, right, So I learned. I turned and this

1016
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: guy wasn't like this, right, So I'm like, oh, shoot,

1017
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: you hit me. Ain't nobody hit a three right now?

1018
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: You know if I hit a three? You know what

1019
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, right, it is not like Mike Tyson's in there.

1020
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: He had a jag. He knocks out someone and the

1021
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: fans is chairing. This is basketball, right, right. So when

1022
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: I seen how you did it, simple math man, you

1023
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Okay, So I go after him.

1024
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: I ain't. I ain't go up there like hit up

1025
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: buck pong. I went up there to shake him, like hell,

1026
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: but really a good shake. You know what I'm saying, Yeah,

1027
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: don't don't this guy? Right. So, So anyway, then the

1028
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: guy who actually hit me, that was John he he

1029
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: grabbed me, he stopped. I'm thinking he grabbed me to

1030
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: be like all right, fights over. It's crazy. So I'm like, yeah,

1031
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: somebody please give me and I act like I want

1032
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: to fight like you, and then he stopped putting me right,

1033
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: So I'm like, this is fucking bullshit. At this point,

1034
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: you know all that's going on, I'm laying people. I

1035
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: don't know above you. I didn't laid somebody out. When

1036
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 1: I saw you, I'm like, oh, what could I get? Jack?

1037
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,479
Speaker 1: And I thought about so much ship at that point,

1038
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is because we're London. We're gonna lose

1039
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: a lot of money. I'm trying to get out of

1040
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: home work and just I can't believe I just I

1041
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: lost somebody. I'm not paying some money soon. When you

1042
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: when when you went Roy, it wasn't just me, the

1043
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: whole team, team, the whole team. But when I got

1044
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: on that road, when when when he grabbed you, I'm

1045
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: the first one and I grabbed you too. But what

1046
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: they never talked about wrong is another bell came in

1047
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: your face. No, yeah, that one was that one. I

1048
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: was really really latest ass out yo. See listen, I

1049
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: never wanted you to do that I grabbed you first.

1050
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: As soon as I grabbed you, the other bearer came.

1051
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: He was right. I know that I couldn't let that right.

1052
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: I can let that ride when I've seen that. I

1053
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: don't like y'all. My goodness, this is out of control.

1054
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: This is out of control. But why did you throw

1055
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: a bear in my face? Man started it? They started?

1056
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: What's going on there? That's what's happening. I'm trying. I

1057
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: want to get out of there, like like we got bread,

1058
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: were supposed to be a man, did a lot of money,

1059
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: a little somebody us. Get out of here. We upset

1060
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: right now, go home to our nice houses and out

1061
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: get the out we got here with every refreshment in

1062
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: the in the concession stand on the way out. And

1063
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: then what's crazy? Is my goodness? I was crazy? That

1064
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: was well. Actually before that, the guy that comes on

1065
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: the court, you get the tangled with him. Come on, man, like,

1066
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: so I'm walking down right as I'll walk it down.

1067
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: We never got a chance to talk together. First time

1068
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this, and we're all all the smoke too, right,

1069
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: So so I'm like, okay, I'm mad. I'm from Queensbridge, right,

1070
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: cool it happened up there. Nothing else is gonna happen

1071
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: because no one's gonna dare come next to me. Who

1072
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: would I gonna make these guys coming? And I'm thinking like, okay,

1073
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: he's mad right now, right, he's mad. Right, I'm like, oh,

1074
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: maybe he's just like wanna go, Oh maybe we wanna go,

1075
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: like you man, what you're doing? Man? You know, like

1076
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: something like that, like a chess boke, And I'd be like, man,

1077
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: to get on my face. He find the face right,

1078
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: he comes like this, what the fist? Right? So I'm like, oh, ship, damn,

1079
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm hitting. But luckily I know to box a little bit.

1080
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: So I was in the stands like this've been with

1081
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: the right straight right? You know what I'm saying. I

1082
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: gave him a straight right. I gave straight right, and

1083
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: but it was water on the floor at the whole time.

1084
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of barrels. Immediately when I see him

1085
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: and I'm about to push him, I'm like, if I

1086
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: try to swim, I'm gonna false. I just I just

1087
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: kind of let my foot just gotta chill out so fall,

1088
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: you know. And then Jermaine see this, Jermaine comes in there,

1089
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: sake the lord the ground that No, it didn't. It didn't.

1090
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: He didn't stop nothing. Yeah, but if he wouldn't be

1091
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: able to follow through with no fall, he must left

1092
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: that on the stretcher. Yes, bro, he still left him

1093
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: up on the stretcher. So this is what's happening. People

1094
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: can see that, right, this is what's happened at this point.

1095
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, oh my goodness, my same thoughts was

1096
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: up there, same thoughts of Jamaine. Jamain is a leader.

1097
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 1: He's a superstar. He's a superstar, right, and just like, um, fuck,

1098
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying this, this is happening right now.

1099
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna be in trouble for this. Yea, even though

1100
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: I know I was like, this is a reaction, like

1101
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: you're not gonna let your friends get hurt, right, I'm

1102
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: gonna like kind in the centator. I feel bad, but

1103
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: I see what they do becase I would have did

1104
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: it too, anybody. I would have been up there too.

1105
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: It's something different with I get the funk out there,

1106
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: you know. But the fact that it was you was

1107
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: like the problem. I feel like this. It was just

1108
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: like I didn't expect that, you know what I'm saying, Well,

1109
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: I know you didn't because when we got in the

1110
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: locker room. This, this is how I know you didn't

1111
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: expect it, because we're in the locker room right first,

1112
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: this is the first so you know, now you know

1113
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: how Jamal is. He laughs at everything. I don't care

1114
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: if you shot. And as soon as he finds out

1115
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: you are right, he crying laughing to my hat. So

1116
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: he come in the locker room, he crying, laughing, and

1117
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: it's it's always like this, JT me run. That's how

1118
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: a lockers are always are. So he said, I was like, yo,

1119
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know we had this many real niggers on

1120
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: the team. My bad. This we that's the Jamal. I'm

1121
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: to my laud bro. We just got the brawl. He crying, laughing.

1122
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: So he called the runs it back. He's like, then

1123
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: runs it back. He's like, Jack, do you think we're

1124
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble? I say, trouble, but we might

1125
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: not have a job. He's like, yeah, you're right something right.

1126
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: Do you think this is my thing with that? He's

1127
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: so funny by the way, and yeah, that's you know,

1128
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. Yeah, you're right, because it hit it

1129
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: was like you right, something might have a job. You

1130
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: got how many games you get? I got thirty? Oh

1131
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: my god, you got how many the rest of the

1132
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: season two or something. I don't know. Some bullshit sun

1133
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: up our whole season. Man. We didn't deserve that, man,

1134
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: because the end of the end of the day, we

1135
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: was at work. A beer came from out the stands

1136
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: while we was at work. He did his job, he

1137
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: had calmed down. The referee did a harbor job once

1138
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: being pushed him in the face, a good job, escorton

1139
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: being whoever else was involved Off the court, none of

1140
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: that ship wouldn't happened. But they let all that ship

1141
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: linger so long. They get the fans got into it,

1142
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: and they was able to throw the You know what

1143
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That ship led to all that ship. But

1144
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: if they would have did their job from the jump,

1145
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, because people get into entanglements all the time

1146
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: down the court, entanglements shout out to Jayden win straight up.

1147
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, we look back and we

1148
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: laugh now. But and you spoke on this, and we

1149
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: spoke on this before. I feel like, as someone competing

1150
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: against you guys, that was a black mark obviously on

1151
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: your resume and it held you back from a lot

1152
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: of accolades. You should have received a lot more accolades

1153
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: and All Star appearances, Defensive Player of the Year, First

1154
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: Team All Defense. I think there were things you guys

1155
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: could have did, and that was really a black mark

1156
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: on like your report card, especially with him, Like you know,

1157
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: I know I missed a couple, but we both know

1158
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: the player he was, motherfucker, and he should definitely have

1159
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: five Defensive Player of the Years and a couple more

1160
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: championship but they overshadowed his great play by the little

1161
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: mistakes he may not really just being misunderstood. And you

1162
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: know what, you ain't able to be an example, and

1163
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: just like it's an experience and we see it happen

1164
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: with him and beings all the time, right, people don't

1165
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: do different things and and it sports so many different

1166
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: things happened. So you know what, I was a part

1167
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: of one of those instances, you know, one of those

1168
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: problems and issues or I'm a stat with that. But

1169
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: you just get back. You're an example, and you just

1170
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: get back. So it's like I kind of I kind

1171
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: of don't I kind of enjoyed the fact that I'm

1172
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: able to give back and help people with different issues

1173
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: and stuff they have in sports and different things. So

1174
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: that's how I look at it now. I definitely went

1175
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: through go through it, so they won't go through it. Yeah, yeah,

1176
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: from it. So the aftermath of the malice, um you

1177
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: end up leaving? How long after that? When you when

1178
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: do you go to year? And then? So now what

1179
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: happened was we came back playing well, he balling people.

1180
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't great, and I request the trade because I'm

1181
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm at that point, I'm entitled and was

1182
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: there fishing in the locker room between because he was gone.

1183
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: We end up making the playoffs. I came back, We

1184
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: made the playoffs, made a nice in the run. We

1185
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: would have had him, we would have made a run.

1186
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: He was just still a missing piece. But I was

1187
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: still going through things emotionally. I'm just like every little

1188
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: thing bothered me. I was drinking about acohol at that point,

1189
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,479
Speaker 1: so you think, like alcohol and everything better at that point,

1190
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 1: but it doesn't, you know what I'm saying. You're thinking

1191
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: like you just go out party and that's gonna make

1192
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: everything okay. So things are still paling on at that time,

1193
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I request the trade

1194
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm like Ship, I'm in a contract

1195
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: for three more years, a lot of things. Everything is

1196
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: bothering me, you know what I'm saying, like just give

1197
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: me some money right now, and I'm thinking about that.

1198
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about I'm playing um also, and then a

1199
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: bunch of other Ship and Jail went on the same page. Either.

1200
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: I definitely didn't have apologize to the guys like we weren't.

1201
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: No problem is just you know what I'm saying, like

1202
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ship that that was happening. It

1203
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: was tension because I'm and then I feel like I

1204
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: fucked and what actually wasn't the problem is all in

1205
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: my fucking head. But tell you the truth, because we

1206
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: didn't see no problem, like I didn't know it well,

1207
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: well for me, it was a problem like not you

1208
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: guys me like I was going through so much, you know,

1209
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: so I'm looking for excuses at this time to escape,

1210
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: you know. But so I just requested the trade. What

1211
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: you doing? We was all I was hurt, you know

1212
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that's what it was. And and

1213
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: then I then I'm still I didn't apologize for that,

1214
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: like just so much ship, so I'm like, I need

1215
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: to get out of here. These guys don't like me,

1216
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean something like that, you know

1217
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: what I mean, and just trying to go somewhere else.

1218
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: I wish I would have wanted Donnie Walshing said, Donnie,

1219
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: I once I did. I did so much. I've been

1220
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: through so much. He I think I should I think

1221
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: you should trade me, Like I wish I would have

1222
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: did something like that, rather than be like, you know,

1223
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: going to the media, go to me. Yeah, the officers open,

1224
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: you can go. There's no locks on the office. You're

1225
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: not gonna dare the jams canna come out. I'm gonna

1226
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: tell you this because he Jail probably never told you this,

1227
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: but I know why Jail was hurt. It wasn't because

1228
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: of anything you did or asking for a trade. It's

1229
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,479
Speaker 1: just that the fact that, you know how we all knew,

1230
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: especially him, I want to win the championship. We knew

1231
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: with you we had a great chance. Yeah, and he

1232
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: knew that. You know what I'm sa He knew that, bro,

1233
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: And with our whole team to like Ron leaving his motherfucker,

1234
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: there's gonna be twenty times harder now, you know what

1235
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We we had we had we had a unicorn.

1236
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: He was a unicorn. Since let me getting your flowers,

1237
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: you know what this we liked a lot of like

1238
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: to have a lot of y'all on here. Bro, You

1239
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: was a unicorn. It wasn't nobody your size that could

1240
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: defend all positions and that could score on anybody every night.

1241
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: And when you left our team, like we all understood, like, damn,

1242
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: we're losing one of the best players in the league,

1243
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that was Jail never

1244
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: told you that, but that was he was because of that,

1245
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: because we're losing something. We're losing you know. I think

1246
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying, But he was because Jail

1247
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: is the leader. He knows he's a real friend, you

1248
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So if you're going through anything,

1249
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: you can talk to Jail about anything, right, you know

1250
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So yeah, of course, but you know,

1251
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: I felt like I was doing so much. I felt like, um,

1252
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: nobody was ever going to be my friend, you know what,

1253
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: like you, and I wanted to like I wish I

1254
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: could just like real quickly, like hey, I'm sorry about that,

1255
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: and I'll move on that side. And I know there's

1256
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people like that. That's why I love

1257
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: the NBA. Now I got a differ perspective on you

1258
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: know how these guys are friends. You know what I'm

1259
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: saying when I look at that him like, that's dope

1260
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: because because we as ball as you know, we're going

1261
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: through a journey. We got kids like things. So I

1262
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: respect that. I wish i'd do that more so. Sacramento

1263
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: brief stint. Get to Houston, yell mean Tea Mack. He

1264
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: talked about t Mac talked about when you came. He

1265
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: was excited because he thought you could have been the

1266
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: mixing piece to them. But then he got hurt and

1267
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: he got it and it was crazy. I was cooking

1268
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: at this point in time. I get I get to

1269
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: the Rockets and before I call them, I don't want

1270
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: to put too much things out there, but it was

1271
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: money offer it that it's okay, But I don't care

1272
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: because you know, it's all perspective, but I don't care.

1273
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: But I go to Houston thinking some things that happening.

1274
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: If I playing well, things don't work out. So anyway,

1275
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: I'm cooking and UM come in, I'm averaging two points

1276
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: like eight minutes. Okay for like fifteen games. But I'm

1277
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: not I'm actually I'm more I'm more mature at this point,

1278
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: so I'm going hard in that at that time, but

1279
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm not playing. Shane is playing in front. Tea Mac

1280
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: playing in front, So I'm damn I'm trying to get

1281
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: a contract. You know, we know that. Go Tea Mac

1282
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: is hurt. Um and then I come in. I think

1283
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: I like twenty come in there. Um yeah, I was

1284
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: cooking and we were rolling. You know what I'm saying.

1285
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: We get to we get to the playoffs. We beat

1286
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: the beat We beat uh my brother. I love Brandon

1287
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: Roy he played by the way Louis Stola, Aaron Brooks

1288
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: sold these guys, Kyle Lowry, these guys played well. But

1289
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: we beat that team, getting six. Yeah, at home, caught advantage.

1290
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: We go to the Lakers. We beat the Lakers by

1291
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: twenty game one, Um yeah, it's unbelievable. At this point,

1292
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: Lake has come back, beat us game to game three,

1293
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: be back at home, y'all breaks his foot game one

1294
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: and we still go to game seven. I was averaging

1295
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: like twenty two or something like that in the series.

1296
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: You know, Um, so it was a good time. It

1297
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: was so I really I really try those moments because

1298
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: that's my that's my trophies. I love basking. Don't kid

1299
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: like I really not all the time talking about like ship,

1300
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: but I look at YouTube and you know, I kind

1301
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: of I try to enjoy what you can enjoy. Absolutely,

1302
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he realized that. And you got this

1303
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: much respect because like Jack said that, like you were

1304
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: hands down one of the best players in the league.

1305
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: Like you didn't get recognized or spoken on, but motherfucker's

1306
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: did played that thing. Know that you could put up

1307
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: twenty anytime. And you have the craziest hands I've ever

1308
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: been around, as far as you'll take it from you

1309
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: when you were right in front of you when you're

1310
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: right saw us battles and practice rohna. Let you sometimes

1311
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: go past you just so we could wipe around and

1312
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: grab that ship. So being Matt used to shoot after

1313
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: every practice, we stay like five in the row. It

1314
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: was fun. We're gonna get to that. So what was

1315
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: your because I know my incident with Code and he

1316
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: ended up following me to get to the Lakers. You

1317
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: guys had an incident where you put hands on him

1318
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: during the playoffs and then that it was closet. I'll

1319
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: show you know what you guys got into it. So

1320
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying was, so how did that end? Because

1321
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: you ended up with him the next year? Yeah, my brother,

1322
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: And how did that happen? So check us for me

1323
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: and co covid. You know, Cope is nice, you know

1324
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: the same thing, and he's sucking me up. He'd be

1325
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: right here. One time I knocked the win that that's

1326
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: the one. I almost tried to find him that game.

1327
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: But we've done the same thing to people, right, So

1328
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: at this point I get it. I went to the ref, man,

1329
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: that's my boy. But I go to the refer like, yo,

1330
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: did you not just see him do that? You know?

1331
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: Was like he said, no, I didn't see it. Right.

1332
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: So I go to Kobe. I'm like, my brother, I

1333
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: don't like you, don't ever do that again, my guy,

1334
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. Right, and then Kobe don't care, Kobe,

1335
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: focus on the game, right, Kobe's like, Kobe's uh killer

1336
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: different different right. And I interviewed Kobe actually that year

1337
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: I was in the league, I interviewed Kobe. I look

1338
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: like I was on Fox that's I look up to Kobe,

1339
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: but we're on the courts, is what it is. Right.

1340
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: So then the next year we took him the Game seven,

1341
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: Hell of a series. He was the title. I'm out

1342
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: at SLS Hotel, my boys. I get a call from

1343
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: um my agent. They said, you want to go to Lakers?

1344
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: They said, they said, the Lakers want to want to

1345
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: talk to you, And I said, for what, you know,

1346
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean they want to talk to me about But

1347
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: um so then you know what I mean, man, this

1348
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: is kicking my ass and ship, right, So I wanted

1349
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: to go back to the trade well in the Anna,

1350
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to go. Yeah, yeah, because I

1351
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: want to do something some legacy, like let's do something different.

1352
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: So but they was like, I don't know right away.

1353
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: I have no teams, you know what I'm saying. Teams,

1354
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm like disruptive. Now you think about it, like if

1355
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm going on a team disruptive, other players are. The

1356
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: age is like, this is not the best fit for

1357
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 1: none of us. You know what I'm saying, It's not

1358
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: the best fit for none, but some people think it's

1359
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: a good fit, you know. So the Lakers, just like

1360
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,679
Speaker 1: I said, I said, I said, whatever they want. He said, sorry,

1361
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,560
Speaker 1: we can't pay you. I don't don't even worry about it.

1362
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: I ain't got no office. Well I really talk, you

1363
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean, don't even trip you. My man

1364
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: in first season? What is it like working with him

1365
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: day and day out and then you guys ultimately winning

1366
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: the absolutely and Kobe rp my brother Code, So you're there,

1367
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: You're a Laker. Now you're working with Code day and

1368
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: day out and you guys want to tiele. What was

1369
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: that experience? Like? It was amazing, you know. So he

1370
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: hit me up, you know, real quick, and then I

1371
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: think Magic hit me up real quick, you know, just

1372
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: get there. It was all business. I wanted to win

1373
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: the title. I was like, I never thought I'd be

1374
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: having opportunity when a title after all the ship I've

1375
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: done league, So it was just crazy. I'm just trying

1376
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: to do the right thing. You know, I am doing

1377
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: the right thing at this point. I'm twenty nine years old.

1378
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: So practice was very competitive, right, you know, Kobe is

1379
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And he was drawn. We

1380
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 1: had it gone sometimes, you know, which I missed those

1381
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: moments with Kobe and I'm just playing very well. And

1382
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: working hard in five thirty in the morning seeing him.

1383
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: In the first year, we got a ring, you know,

1384
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: and that was it was so hard won ring that

1385
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: got one. You got too, so you know I got

1386
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 1: one because so I came the next year. So the

1387
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 1: next year, I remember when the Orlando sho had happened

1388
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: with the ball figure I come the following year. But

1389
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: I just remember excited about playing with Covid, excited about

1390
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: playing with you too, because I thought between us three

1391
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: were three of the top five ten perimeer perimeter defenders

1392
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: in the game. So like, you know, yeah, So I

1393
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: remember when we would be out there kind of doing

1394
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: our thing and someone might get a bucket or too.

1395
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 1: Kobe would I want to take him, and then we

1396
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: would always trying to argue who was gonna take, So

1397
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: it was me and him and out there. But one

1398
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: thing I remember with that team though, practice are always

1399
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: really competitive, but you and Phil Jackson used to get

1400
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: into it a lot, and Phil used to challenge you mentally.

1401
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 1: You guys would go at and you would talk ship

1402
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: back to him too. I'd be like, oh, he just

1403
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: had that to feel. But you and Feel had like

1404
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: a unique relationship. Speak on your and fields relationship because

1405
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: it was unique. Like Ron cusses due out about his

1406
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: feet one time, I almost ship on myself and practice

1407
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: brother was insane. It was a great doesn't matter. Anybody

1408
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: know Phil and he gets unto everybody and sometimes but

1409
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: he's a great coach. You know. This is where we

1410
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: had we had together as coaches and players. He's doing

1411
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: this thing and he can push your buttons in a way,

1412
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: you know, get you focused in different things. And it's

1413
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: all for the team, all for the better amount of team,

1414
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But we had we had issue.

1415
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: You know, he uh was talking about my shoes. He

1416
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: would keep you calling me cement feet, right, so Phil

1417
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 1: called me cement feet. I hated it got on my

1418
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: fucking nerves so and then everybody would laugh and I

1419
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: know everybody laughing because it called me simithy. So I

1420
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: got in his face one day. I was talking to

1421
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: everybody in practice one time and I was like, yo,

1422
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: we almost beat your last year with the rockets, fucking bush. Yeah,

1423
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 1: it feels like enough, it's enough. Like no, it ain't

1424
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: enough to say it's enough and not in people face

1425
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: it but you're not like this, but just like walking

1426
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: like just like talking like this, not like that, not

1427
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: like that, because I'm just talking like because I was

1428
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 1: competing against everybody at this point, because these guys are good,

1429
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: and I feel like you're picking on me, and I

1430
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: feel like you don't think I'm nice and I'm only

1431
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: averaging five points. There's a lot of ship that's building

1432
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: up at that point in time. But that's just going

1433
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: in my head. That's what's going on in my head.

1434
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, and flat that issue

1435
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: filled on home grudges though, I'm so happy. I'm so

1436
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: happy he understand on like what you're going through as

1437
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: long as you don't escalate. Um. I've seen a lot

1438
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: of players gett into a Phil. How he handled a

1439
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: situation escalator, It's crazy, right, He's not afraid. He feels

1440
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: crazy by the way he seen Phil play. You ever

1441
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 1: seen Phil Jackson played basketball? He played like us. Yeah,

1442
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: But you know what, when I was watching the Last

1443
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: Dance and I was watching how he did stuff to

1444
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: handle didn't trama, not that you're Dinner's rama, but he

1445
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: it was interesting because it made me instantly think how

1446
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: he would do stuff to you and get a reaction

1447
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: at you. But I would instantly. Even see it in practice,

1448
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 1: like it would be that faster switcher turn on or

1449
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: in the game he would say some ship to you

1450
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: would stare at him and you'd be super human. And

1451
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: it was amazing how he knew how to deal with

1452
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: everybody differently and got the best out of everyone differently,

1453
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: and he went about in different ways. Yeah, he did.

1454
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: I think. I thought it was great, man. I really

1455
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: was a fluence at that time. I was getting to

1456
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: Buddhism at that time, and I was like going through

1457
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: all these phases of like faith and belief and things

1458
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 1: like that. I was getting the Buddhism heavy at that time,

1459
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 1: and not have you but a little bit changed my

1460
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: name and meta. I really enjoyed the meditation. I really

1461
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: enjoyed doing you know, singing bowls, listening to Tibetan music,

1462
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, things to re last year. I love it.

1463
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm influenced by it, you know what I'm saying. And Uh,

1464
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: that's why I love Phil so much. I really thought

1465
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: it was a blessing, you know. I thought he was

1466
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: a blessing. Definitely great. You had a showtime dot quiet

1467
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 1: storm um with showtime with the family. Uh, tell us

1468
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: what that experience was like and yeah, I thought it

1469
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: was a dope, super dope to tell your story quiet

1470
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 1: Storm is dope. Um. Bleacher Report first came, it was like, Yo,

1471
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 1: we want to do a story on you. In my mind,

1472
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want some money and what I want

1473
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: a story for. I'm not only I'm not a social

1474
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm not an influence. I don't even want nobody talking

1475
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,799
Speaker 1: about me. Yeah, I think the money. So we started

1476
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 1: we thinking that part out and then like I'm like,

1477
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about like I only want a documentary.

1478
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: At this point, I don't want to. I don't want

1479
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't want the documentary. I want to just chill.

1480
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 1: But anyway, we get to it. Right showtime comes in,

1481
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is crazy. This is I'm like,

1482
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: damn what you know what I mean? So we're about

1483
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 1: to do something else. But I've really wanted some of

1484
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,480
Speaker 1: my other friends from Queen's was music on a documentary

1485
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: because when you talk on the documentary about it's a

1486
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: little more. I'm like, I ain't trying to tell you

1487
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: what the dude you listen to me, listen to me,

1488
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: you like, yeah, I know what, Yeah, I know what

1489
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: the phil you know what I'm saying, Um, but it

1490
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: was still a great doctor. That's to see when people

1491
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: are doing documentaries, when networks like it's a given take right,

1492
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: never putting up all the cash, you know, you know,

1493
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: listen and you give your input. Or they got a story,

1494
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: you got somebody telling the stories that they don't how

1495
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: to do it, you know what I'm saying. But so

1496
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: with that being said, a great experience. At this point

1497
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 1: we are getting nominated we you know, um on Hulu, like, oh,

1498
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: this is crazy right from that standpoint, and then also

1499
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: I really people said they changed their lot. Some people

1500
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: said change my life. I'm like, oh wow, because people

1501
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 1: don't know I was going through all that at that

1502
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: time with the doctor. But at the same time it

1503
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: turned out great. It's a great message. Um, he had

1504
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 1: nae music, we had moved music, we had my cousin

1505
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: capone and yeah, you know, um, but it was great

1506
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 1: quiet storm, Um, great experience. I think. I think on

1507
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: the mental health side, I didn't want it to go.

1508
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: So it was supposed to be how I played ball,

1509
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: for one, So I didn't think doing a mental health

1510
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: doctor was gonna work. You know, I want I don't

1511
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: want to be a part of it. You know what

1512
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: I was saying, this new basketball, but it turned out great.

1513
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: It was important. I think, you know, it's something that

1514
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: that that is. Before if you spoke on it, it

1515
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: was a week it was weakness or you were showing weakness.

1516
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 1: But I think more it's coming to an age now

1517
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: where you can speak on it and realize, like you

1518
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: said throughout this whole interview that amongst your job, which

1519
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: is basketball, there's always ship going on in your life. Yeah,

1520
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: there's always something going on in your life. And I

1521
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: think people don't understand that no matter what is going

1522
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: on our life, good batty between, we still have to

1523
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: focus and try to be perfect on that basketball court

1524
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: because that's the job. But it's so much that goes

1525
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:04,719
Speaker 1: into that actually happening that people have no idea. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1526
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: now that's true. So the Lakers win a championship uh

1527
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: this year? Uh in honor of our brother Cob obviously

1528
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: rest in peace. I read somewhere saw somewhere you said

1529
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: you smoked tan blust and party like you was on

1530
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: the squad. Let me tell you why I said that.

1531
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: Every time I said, I could like we've been through

1532
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:26,560
Speaker 1: so much with this marijuana thing. Yeah, yeah, outside, we

1533
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: gotta put the weed down. Back in the days people

1534
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: on the jail from marijuana. So I'm like, I really

1535
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: appreciate the movement of cannabis. I appreciate the movement. And

1536
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, I prefer not to speak. I prefer not

1537
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: to smoke like you know on like shows like this,

1538
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: but I respect what people doing, so I support. You

1539
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: know what I hasn't helped you, hasn't helped you at

1540
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: all with like you said, the mental health, mental focus

1541
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: any of that. I like CBD. I don't like the

1542
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: THHC as much because the T A C. For me,

1543
01:17:58,400 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: it takes you out of your mind a little bit,

1544
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: not much anybody like you can still smoke TASCO sometimes,

1545
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: but CBD I like it better because like if you're

1546
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, working every day in office, like you don't

1547
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: want to be on TC all the time. So I like,

1548
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: now they got options and you see, like Viola has

1549
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: options and you know, in different levels for your mood,

1550
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 1: and these CBD products is like amazing, Like the whole

1551
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: thing is great. I think it's great. Some people don't.

1552
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: I think it's great. So that was all that was, honestly,

1553
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: I didn't have Tim Blunt's at one or two happy

1554
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 1: for them to win. I had the other eight. Probably Yeah,

1555
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 1: if you needed help, I would have helped. Let's reflect

1556
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: on Cobe obviously tragically taken from us, him and Jianna

1557
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 1: and the other victims in January. Um, what was it

1558
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: like getting a chance to play with him and getting

1559
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: to know him better as a person. It was amazing.

1560
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 1: I had a great experience. You don't think somebody's gonna

1561
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 1: be not be here one day. It's really crazy, you know. Um,

1562
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: he's amazing player. I interviewed Kobe when I was with

1563
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 1: the Rockets when we had issues on the course, you

1564
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 1: know what. Like, but I looked up to I wanted

1565
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: him to know, like, I want to interview you like

1566
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 1: you don't understand has has how I compete against you

1567
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: on the court. It's not how I feel about you.

1568
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 1: So I was really honored up about that. But I

1569
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: never had I never we never did anything, but I

1570
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: fox put it together. I was like, can I please

1571
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: anthew Kobe like this right? Um? And I did it right.

1572
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: So Um, And there's a great experience playing with him,

1573
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: his hard work and just being being alongside of him.

1574
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 1: This is crazy, Like, yeah, Pippin was alongside Michael. Now

1575
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm like Pipping what power was more

1576
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: like Pippen than I was like Pippen. I was like

1577
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: a three or fourth. I'm saying, like, it's amazing while

1578
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 1: I'm doing it with this guy. He worked hard, he

1579
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 1: respects me. Um, he's doing this thing. But you know

1580
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: he's also like giving you some shine in crucial moments

1581
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: when you didn't take a shot for a long time.

1582
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: He trust you, right, So it's amazing experience. And then

1583
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: I was able to have jenne him and had drinks

1584
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: with him at the end of his career just just

1585
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 1: like talk about things. Never had these moments, So that

1586
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: was was seeing that, seeing him how he was with

1587
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 1: the young guys later in his career much more like

1588
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 1: because you went back to the team, right, yeah, I

1589
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: went back to the team. He was more like having

1590
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: him under his wing and you know, anything to seeing

1591
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 1: what his family was amazing. To sitting here and passed

1592
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: was like really devastating. I mean something, I got a

1593
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: call from somebody I took to the game. I got

1594
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: a texted Kobe not here. I'm like, what, it's crazy.

1595
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: So I called him. I don't know, only call him that.

1596
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: I texted Lou Williams like and KG, I said, Yo,

1597
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: did you hear this is it? Yes? This is real?

1598
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: This is real. You know what I'm saying. So I'm like,

1599
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: I said, it's probably not real. You know, we all

1600
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: went through every mond. It was crazy and was so

1601
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 1: so sad he's not. Yeah, but you know, um, he's

1602
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 1: just an amazing guy. And Gigi and the Briant family

1603
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 1: shout out to g and the Brant family. I heard

1604
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 1: about your experience. I didn't know about these experiences that

1605
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: you had with Kobe, like on the McDonald's game and stuff.

1606
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: This is crazy stuff out. I was like, wow, you

1607
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: you know, Jack was so happy because Jack always talked

1608
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: about the McDonald's MVP and he he said that the

1609
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: V every beginning we started this show, He's like, watch Kobe.

1610
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 1: Oh no. And sure enough, Coode said, I thought you

1611
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 1: want m VP Shi. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1612
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: Remember it? Yeah, you remember it? You know, yeah? Man,

1613
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: rest in peace to code Man. It was it was fun,

1614
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 1: like I said, getting a chance to play with you

1615
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,640
Speaker 1: and him and and just to like to see a

1616
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 1: competitive nature to all of us and even though like

1617
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 1: he was doing the bulk of our scorn and our

1618
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: job was to do what we do, he always wanted

1619
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 1: to do it for us. Let me take you. And

1620
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: I wanted a good teammate too, because you could play. Yeah,

1621
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 1: because when we when Kobe was out, alright, my brother Kobe,

1622
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: when he was out, we played well, right Kobe with

1623
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 1: my brother Kobe a little satellite. I mean, you know

1624
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: it is any time the star star goes out, that

1625
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: means you are least going to get three to five

1626
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: more shots, maybe more. So it was it was fun. Yea, yeah,

1627
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: it was a good time. That's as a bench player.

1628
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 1: Be ready, just be ready. Just never know. Quick hitters.

1629
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 1: Top five artists. I know you have a ride range

1630
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: of music. Who's your top in your opinion? Your top

1631
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: five artists? Do they have to be rappers? Not any

1632
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 1: kind of music you like? Cool? So I got a

1633
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: bunch of them. Um I go top five? How ago

1634
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 1: like Mary J. Blige? Okay, um that's w V. I

1635
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: swear to you and then I would say, um um

1636
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:33,759
Speaker 1: nas right, uns an amazing artist. This last album is unbelieving.

1637
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 1: I shoutout King disease like tragedy, Cat Fee from Queens Ridge,

1638
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: No artists, Lauren Hill, La Hill. That's a good round up.

1639
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: So that's like you, who's your top five NBA rappers?

1640
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, thank you. Top five NBA rapp sho

1641
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 1: number one? All right, then I would say I like

1642
01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 1: Lou Williams a lot. I like Loue. Okay, so all

1643
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,959
Speaker 1: listening parties and everything. Um, I would say Chris Copeland.

1644
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know about Chris, Chris Coblan

1645
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 1: nice um, Dame Dollar Okay, I go Dame dolland I

1646
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 1: go with Vic Victor, Victor Ladipo. Does he do R

1647
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: and B? Does he wrap? Shout out the big Man?

1648
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: He dope dope? And I really have probably listen to

1649
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: the music and now. Also, so that's top five. Put

1650
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: me on the spot. But I like lines those nice

1651
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 1: I never heard and you got some stuff. We actually

1652
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 1: did a song again, you know what I'm saying. I

1653
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: feel like badly is nice too. Yeah. I love music.

1654
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: I really like it. I like I like the athletes

1655
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: pursuing music. I like that that put their music out. Yeah,

1656
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 1: I put it out. Yeah, just wrap everybody wrap, just

1657
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 1: put it off. Yeah, you put it out, put it

1658
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: just put it out. Yeah, don't hold on to your

1659
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: your dreams starting five to win a playoff series? You

1660
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 1: with you on the court, you me coing plus four? Cool?

1661
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Speaker 1: Are you going to war with? Okay? Cool? So me,

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01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't hate the type of questions. So people I

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01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: play with, I mean me, stack you don't stack d

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01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know you're my man too, Matt,

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01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: So I got stories, but this is about me. I

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01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: guess all right, and so me and stat Um, I

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01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 1: will go Kobe, Yeah, yeah, best. Who's your four? That's

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01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: that's that's four right there? Who's your foreman? Or just

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01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 1: who's my foreman? I don't have to be foreman. Who

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01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 1: point sad? Somebody bring it up? Okay, you need more

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01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 1: more player? I can play before one player. I would say, well,

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01:24:55,840 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 1: we'll play the fall. Nobody scho weren't on us? Yeah,

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01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: my god? Five best ballers from the NYC. Um Oh wow,

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01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 1: that's a great question. Joe Hammond. That's easy. First dance

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01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: and then um lull cinder uh oh man, Well, I'm

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01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: not gonna say Michael Jordan Brooklyn. I would say it,

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01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna say that because he's going as

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01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 1: a baby, all right, so from New York City. Yeah,

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01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 1: Chris Melon Krismolan had a really great career in New

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01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: York City. Um, we we're just talking about the city.

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01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 1: And then Kenny Anderson as a New York City guy,

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01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 1: Kenny Anderson, Yeah, yeah, I give you time to think,

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01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Kenny Anderson's Kenny Anderson's New

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01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 1: York City guy had an amazing um run, I think

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01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 1: that's five. Because you know, Joe Hammond was one of

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01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: the best from New York City and everybody else. So

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01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of video, but you hear

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01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 1: these stories and for what I hear, Joe Hammond was

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01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: like probably best, but you know, um real legit playing

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01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 1: I obviously we all know the story with Pete Kirklin.

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01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: You had to try out with the Lakes. Oh it

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01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: was a monster. Felipe sorry, Felipe should be there. He's

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01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: in there, in there, he's in there. Felipe as my brother.

1694
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: What name a player you wish you would have played

1695
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: within your prime? Man player I wish I had to

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01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: play with in my prime. Well, it's not really nobody

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01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 1: like when I was. When I was playing, I didn't

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01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: want to be a nobody's team. You know what, when

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01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 1: I was playing, But that's such a dumb way to think,

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01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 1: because the people on your team are really good too, right.

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01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: So I was getting calls from a few players that

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01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: you know, wanted me on a team, and I was like, nah,

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01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 1: I need to beat you. You know what I'm saying.

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01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: You know, but it wasn't out of disrespect, you know

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01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It wasn't out of disrespect. It was

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01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 1: just competitive, you know, man um so and it's um so.

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01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: That was it. I was jobbing nobody's team at that point.

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01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 1: But I think Kobe was the one, was the one

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01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 1: because the play with Lebron would have been amazing because

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01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 1: like he's a mentor leader all his friends. You see

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01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 1: his friends, you see all the yea. So that's like,

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01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, that part of the game is super import

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01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: I really, I'm sorry to go rambling off about that's good.

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01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 1: Your dinner table dead or alive? Five people? You want

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01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: to have an educational conversation with the dinner Dead or alive? Who?

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01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 1: I say, Mozart, m you haven't had that one yet?

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01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: I say that one. Maybe it's whoever was the king

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01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: of our people before we brought here from Africa. I

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01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: don't know his name, the King of Africa, don't even know. Well,

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01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: it was our people before we got young American. Okay,

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01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: save them a spot, alright. Cool. Um, I would say

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01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 1: just say Massa Mussa. He was the richest black man ever. Okay, Massa,

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01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 1: Let's go Massa Mosa. And I would say, Um, what's

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01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 1: the other guy that does the science stuff? Bill n

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01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 1: Not a black guy, the mathematician. Somebody knows names the Grassi. Okay.

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01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: Then I will say, oh, Steven Spielberg, nice big movie.

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Speaker 1: I love that one. That's gonna be interesting. I say,

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01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 1: maybe right now, that's the wildest list I've ever heard.

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01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:24,679
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a hell of a conversation, y'all drinking

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01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: or smoking at at that table smoking smoking you Hey,

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Speaker 1: that's a rap man, Ron, somebody's a pleasure man. Gotta

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Speaker 1: have you back, man, Thank you. You catch just on

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