1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Woke f Daily with 2 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: Me your Girl Danielle Moody, recording not So live from 3 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: our Podstream Studios. Folks, I am taking one more quick day. 4 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: I will be back live on Tuesday, but I'm hoping 5 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: that you will get in to this really important conversation 6 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: with trans actress Alexandra Gray about what it means to 7 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: be both black and trans in Hollywood, to be pursuing 8 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: a career in an industry that doesn't oftentimes see you 9 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: or appreciate you. And it's particularly in a society that 10 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: doesn't want to see trans people or appreciate trans people 11 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: and instead creates policies to shrink them. And so in 12 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: this conversation, Alexandra and I unpack a lot of recent 13 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: news around homophobia and transphobia within hip hop culture that 14 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: we have seen, and we talk about the responsibility that 15 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: you have as an activist to uphold and hold an 16 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: entire community and how that presents both a burden but 17 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: also a privilege to be able to do that work. 18 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: So I hope that you enjoy my conversation with the 19 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: fabulous and beautiful and brilliant Alexandra Gray. I am so 20 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: excited to welcome to okay A for the first time 21 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: actress activists, just amazing all around person. Alexandra Gray, who 22 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: I had the pleasure. What feels like girl, Oh, I 23 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: don't know, it feels like a hundred years ago. When 24 00:01:54,120 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: we met at Sundance, I guess it was it twenty twenty. Yeah, 25 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: it was January twenty twenty. So we yeah, yeah, we 26 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: we were the start. We were the Petrie Dish is 27 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: what everybody says. You know, we were the one that 28 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: you know, got her body inspected. We literally had no 29 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: idea that in but two months the world would be 30 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: turned upside down. And it was so wonderful to get 31 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: to meet you, um in that panel discussing you know 32 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: what it's like to be young black queer um and 33 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: navigating you know, this this industry, this this this work, 34 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: doing this work. Um, you have been doing so much. 35 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: I don't even know where to begin, but I actually 36 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: just want to start off with Alexandra, how have you 37 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: been feeling these days? You know, like there has been 38 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: I mean in the midst of living in this health pandemic. 39 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: You know, they haven't stopped killing black people, haven't stopped 40 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: killing black trans women, Um, you know, there is so 41 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: much good that I have seen through this pandemic, so 42 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: much I have gratitude for, but then so much that 43 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: makes me so deeply grief stricken, and so I just 44 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: want to, you know, start off by saying, like, how 45 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: have you been managing during this time? You know, I 46 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: was doing okay for a minute, like after we got 47 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: the vaccines, are thought things that we're going to get better. 48 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: And then now and just in terms of COVID now 49 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: with the delta variant coming around, it's been it's been 50 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: a lot because it's it feels like things are not 51 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: progressing and we haven't really learned from our mistakes and 52 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: so that has that made me feel uneasy. But in 53 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: terms of the social issues that are continuing to plague 54 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: our country, UM, yeah, it's just it's trash at the 55 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: end of the day, and I can't. I mean, just 56 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: today I saw another black trans woman murdered, Um, you 57 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: know and bye bye by man, and it just you know, 58 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: it feels like it's hard to kind of stay hopeful, 59 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: but I mean you have to. But when you see 60 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: stuff like that, you know that's someone that's just like me. 61 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: So it just it's scary. You know, I can't. I 62 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: can't live my life and here. But it's it's it's 63 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: tough because every time I feel like I'm always looking 64 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: over my shoulder because I'm like, well, I'm Alexandre Gray. 65 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: You know, people may know that I'm trans, right, and 66 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: if they decide to have an issue with me for 67 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: whatever reason, that could that be me. It's like so 68 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety, um, but just really trying to 69 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: stay positive and hopeful that you know, we're gonna keep 70 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: talking about these issues. We're gonna keep calling people out 71 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: on this stuff homophobia and transphobia, and that it will 72 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: change and get better. You know, how has it been 73 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: because you have been gracing covers of magazine, We have 74 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: seen you know, beautiful trans women of color, black trans 75 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: women in Hollywood really rising? Right? What is it like 76 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: to kind of be at this moment where there is 77 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: both more of a positive right. I mean, I don't 78 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: want to put words in your mouth. I see it 79 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: as more of a positive reflection of where society is trending. 80 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: When we can celebrate artists like yourself and actresses like 81 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: yourself as well as Angelica Ross as well as Laverne Cox, 82 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: as well as Janet Mock and others that are creating 83 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: such beautiful work right and and paving a pathway where 84 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: I would argue five years ago, ten years ago was 85 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: non existent right in in a lot of ways. And 86 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: so what does it feel like to be part of this, 87 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: this incredible movement and moment. Well, I definitely, I'm obviously 88 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: very blessed. I'm so every day I wake up. And 89 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: two words that I live by our gracing gratitude. There 90 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: was something an actress taught me on the set was 91 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: to always have gracing gratitude. And so of course they're politics, right, 92 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: So just because I am trans and I'm working in 93 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: trans Hollywood, if you will, I'd be foolish to think 94 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: that there wouldn't be politics, and there would be colorism, racism, 95 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, agism, all those things. And so I will 96 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: say that there are days where it's tough. I feel 97 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: like Dorothy Dandred and Hattie McDaniel, like trying to do 98 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: the impossibles. And then some days I am very much like, Wow, 99 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: we're making a lot of progress. But I will say 100 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: too that I'm honored. Right, I remember ten years ago 101 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: when I got disowned from my family and I was homeless, 102 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: and I remember seeing Laverne Cox, you know, out there 103 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: grinding and really trying to make it as an actress, 104 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: and I said, I'm gonna be like her. And so 105 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: I think to even be sitting here in this moment 106 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: with you and for you to mention my name with 107 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: the likes of her, it's like, wow, you know, full 108 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: circle moment, Like that's really cool. But I will say 109 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: that I'm very humbled and grateful. I know, even just 110 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: five years ago when I really got started do start 111 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: TV that you know, there weren't an abundance of trans 112 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: characters like there are, and now we're starting to see 113 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: trans characters in series regular roles, leading roles, more recurring roles. 114 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: And when I started, I can count on the time 115 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: that I was the only trans person on time. So 116 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: now it's a blessing to see that we're making so 117 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: much progress. So I'm super honored to I mean, you 118 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: have been a series of regular on Empire, you have been, 119 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, on leading shows on CBS. Do you feel 120 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: like there is a um a lot more character development 121 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: around what you're being offered, meaning that it's not just 122 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: these you know, stereotypical roles like when we you know 123 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: that it is You're able to really show the breath 124 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: and depth of your talent now or do you still 125 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: feel like you're breaking out of what the perceived notions 126 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: and boxes are when people do know that you are 127 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: obviously black and trans you know, do you feel limited 128 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: or do you feel like that kind of barrier is 129 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: being released a bit? You know, I'll say, well, I've 130 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: never been a series of regular yet, but I appreciate 131 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: the foreshadowing. Okay, let me foresiate I did it. You 132 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: know what. I did the same thing to lean Away 133 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: and I said that. I said, oh, Emmy before she 134 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: had anything, and She's like, I'm not there yet, Danielle, 135 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: And I said, okay, so just say that. I appreciate 136 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: that you are speaking that to me. Um, but I 137 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: have had significant recurring roles, like I've recurred on many 138 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: many shows, so I know that it's coming, and so 139 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you saying that. UM, but I do 140 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: feel I will say, the last show that I worked on, 141 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: The Giver, which is an action adventure series. I'm like, 142 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: what is this black girl doing in the middle of 143 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: this action show on CBS? But I really that that 144 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: was the closest that I felt, and for the first 145 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: time in any of the roles that I've done where 146 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: I felt like an intricate part of the story, meaning 147 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: that if I wasn't in the episode, that you couldn't 148 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: tell the episode. Usually like on Empire. I loved it 149 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,599 Speaker 1: because I got to play a superstar, but my storyline 150 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: was kind of working in conjunction with like the main storyline. 151 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: So it's like all the main characters have this world 152 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: they're in and I'm kind of have my own trans 153 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: black story over here. Got it. And with mcgeiver, it 154 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: was great because it was like I was a part 155 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: of main cast. Baby, Okay, she was in the war 156 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: room solving the case. Come on, it was like you 157 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: needed her. And so I love that because it gave 158 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: the spread my wings as an actor and artist and 159 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: so I and so I feel like that's progress. You 160 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: know that I shot that during during the pandemic um 161 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: and I think we're making just more progress. So I'm 162 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: excited to see the roles that continue to come because 163 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: I don't mind plan trans roles. Okay, So that's that's 164 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: what's gonna be that this is going to be my 165 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: next question to you, though, is you know do you 166 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: know you say that you don't mind? Do you is 167 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: the do you want to mix right of just being 168 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: able to to not also play your play your identity 169 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: but just also just play a part. Or does it 170 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: or or or do you enjoy it? Do you enjoy both? 171 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: I would enjoy both. I've only haven't played a non 172 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: trans character once on How to Get Away with Murder 173 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: shout out to Viola Day because it was her birthday yesterday. 174 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: Okay home grass I now my goodness. Um. But so 175 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: I've played a non trans character for the first time 176 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: on that show, first and only time out of my 177 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: entire television career. So faro um. And so I feel 178 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: like we are trying. Me and my team are trying 179 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: to cross that kind of threshold of like getting people 180 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: to be like, hey, she can place this, like cast her. 181 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: But also I'm not dying to place this world's Like. 182 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: I love playing trans characters. I think trans people are 183 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: like unicorns, and they're beautiful humans, and um, we're so 184 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: unique and different and I love telling those stories. I 185 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: just don't necessarily want to always play the murderer or 186 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: the junkie of the prostitute of the horror, But I 187 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: would love to play a trans doctor or a trans lawyer, 188 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, but we have to. I 189 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: don't mind playing the Nazo glammorous role, so I appreciate 190 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: that I've done that, but I also would like to 191 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: go further and show trans people in all aspects of 192 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: the world, because we exist in all aspects, you know. 193 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: I was watching a really amazing interview recently that went viral, 194 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: and I don't know if I think I got it. 195 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: I saw it initially on Angelica Ross's page on Instagram, 196 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: and it was the writer and the activists alack men 197 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: one and they were talking about just exactly what you 198 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: mentioned about trans people being a reflection right of the 199 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: freedoms that other people do not think that they have 200 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: to show up as they as their truth right. And 201 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: what makes people feel those that are anti, those that 202 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: are that are that are transphobic, and what have you 203 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: feel a certain way is that you have the audacity 204 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: to live in your truth right, to show up and 205 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: be a reflection of the absence of that for the 206 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: larger quote unquote mainstream community. Do you feel that way? 207 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: Do you like the way in which there are so 208 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: much transphobia and even within the lgbt Q plus community 209 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: that there still remains. And I tell people that because 210 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: they're like, oh no, that can't possibly be. And I 211 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: was just like, oh, well, clearly you haven't done any 212 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: movement work um with the community, because I'm like, because 213 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: I have, and I remember I found it absolutely shocking. 214 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: I'm like, so we're gonna like either our own neglect 215 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: our own, Like I just didn't understand that. But do 216 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: you feel that way, like about people who are still 217 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: so phobic right that it is about what they are 218 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: missing as opposed to what you need to be elevating. Yeah, 219 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: I've been to lunch with like I was got lunch 220 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: with the game and he was like, you know, I 221 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: just don't really understand the whole trance thing, like and 222 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: it was almost like he was reposed by I basically 223 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: said to him, I was like dealing with a man 224 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: that's not exactly cute either, if you want to try 225 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: to get all me died, but you know, I mean 226 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: I was a little bit more graphic, but I say, 227 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: I don't like, you don't get it. It's like we're 228 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: both problematic at the end of you want to if 229 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: you if you're gonna say that I'm problematic, but people 230 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: look at us the same. But anyways, I think at 231 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: the end of the DA day, I think there are 232 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: some people that do this for like attention, all these 233 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: Karen videos or people saying the N word and all 234 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: these people trying to keep chance people. I feel like 235 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: some of these people, and it's a very small percentage 236 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: of people are doing this because I think of the attention, 237 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: they just want to bring attention. I don't think that 238 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: some of these people are like actually like real racist. 239 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: I think that some of these people are like, oh, 240 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: I know that the like I think some people perform 241 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: it and it's like I don't know if it's to 242 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: go viral or if it's just like I have nothing 243 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: else better to do with my life, so I'm gonna 244 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: go to Trader Joe's and like, call you the INN word, 245 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: like I just wish somebody. I wish somebody would. But 246 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: than that, I think exactly I can't remember that person's name, 247 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: but I saw those videos that they posted, and I 248 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: thought that they laid it out so beautifully. I'm like 249 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: kind of like disclosure, Like you need to watch that 250 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: video in order to understand because the fact that people 251 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: have a problem with Little nas X. Yeah, and all 252 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: of this. It's like, to me, this is just a 253 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: reflection of you, you know what I mean. The men 254 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: that I've ever met that were repulsed by me or 255 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: try to this gender me or make me feel bad 256 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: ended up trying to get in my bed later on. 257 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: So it's like the day, it's probably a reflection of you. 258 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: And to see people living in their truth and then 259 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: their authenticity. To walk out our doors every single day. 260 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: To see Little nas X on the b EC Awards 261 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: stage saying, f you, I'm going to kiss a man 262 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: because that's my rights and I deserve to. It's like, 263 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: of course that's gonna bother people because it's like, how 264 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: dare you? You know, live your truth? That is it 265 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: for Today's Woke, a f daily podcast to hear more 266 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: from today's show, including my full interview with Alexandre Gray. 267 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: Support me on Patreonton dot com, Slash Woke. Power to 268 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. Power, get woke 269 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: and stay woke as fuck. I'm back live tomorrow, folks, 270 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: so buckle up.