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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey There and Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: It's the Book of Joe Podcast with me, Tom Verducci

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Speaker 1: and Joe med Joe watching the San Diego Padres recently,

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Speaker 1: it reminded me of garage sales.

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Speaker 2: You fan of garage sales or were you at any point?

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Speaker 3: I always driving by? You got to take a look.

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Speaker 4: I don't always walk in, but if something really appeals

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Speaker 4: from the from the drive by, I might stop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the treasurer hunt in a way.

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Speaker 3: That seems to be.

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Speaker 1: Uh, that's what the Padres are doing. You know, they

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Speaker 1: needed a they were looking around for a right handed bat,

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Speaker 1: so they picked up one. Then they picked up another,

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Speaker 1: and they picked up another. He needed some starting pitching depth,

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Speaker 1: and they picked up one, they picked up another and another.

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Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about Miguel and dujar Ty France,

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Speaker 1: Nick Castillanos on the offensive side, and he just picked

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Speaker 1: up Walker Bueller, Griffin Canning and Herman Marquez. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot of flyers to pick up there, and obviously they're

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Speaker 1: not all going to make the team. But let me

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Speaker 1: start with Nick Castillanos, because Joe, you had him with

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Speaker 1: the Cubs. It's a fascinating story the way his tenure

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Speaker 1: with the Philadelphia Phillies ended ungloriously. And give him his credit,

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Speaker 1: he actually came out and explained what happened there with

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Speaker 1: the Phillies. We're a little bit circumspect about the reasons

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Speaker 1: why they gave up on him, but you know him

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Speaker 1: pretty well.

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Speaker 2: Joe.

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Speaker 1: First of all, tell me your thoughts on Nick Castianos.

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Speaker 1: It did seem like that divorce had to be finalized

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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, and it was.

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Speaker 2: And where he goes from here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Nicki's a different cat. I'm here to say we

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Speaker 4: had a wonderful relationship. What I mean is, in today's world,

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Speaker 4: Nicki is like brutally frank and honest. It's it's almost

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Speaker 4: he he doesn't filter anything. He just says what's on

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Speaker 4: his mind in the moment. And because of that, I

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Speaker 4: really I did enjoy that we had. You know, primarily

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Speaker 4: our conversations were always good. Before every game, he come

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Speaker 4: like real piercing starees. His eyes have that way about

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Speaker 4: them that they really they kind of cut through you.

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Speaker 4: Happy Opening Day, Happy Opening Day, he would always add.

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Speaker 4: Before every game he came up, shake my hand, look

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Speaker 4: was just his zeal for the game. He really loves baseball.

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Speaker 4: He does. He loves the game. He loves to play

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Speaker 4: the game. I felt he always played it hard. He

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Speaker 4: always played wherever you asked him to play, went from

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Speaker 4: the infield to the outfield with Detroit. When I got

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Speaker 4: in with the Cubbies, there was a big rap on

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Speaker 4: his defense, and I asked analytical team, what do you

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Speaker 4: mean by that?

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Speaker 3: Why? Why do you do not like his defense? And

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Speaker 3: they weren't.

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Speaker 4: Unable to give me an answer, which I always found

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Speaker 4: disconce because if you don't like something, to tell me why.

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Speaker 4: So I had to like dig into that a little

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Speaker 4: But with the Cubs, man the guy. The guy only

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Speaker 4: hit line gap gap line. It was amazing. He was

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Speaker 4: a doubles machine. It's just the way his swing works.

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Speaker 4: It was like carved to right center of down the

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Speaker 4: interesting fellow, deeply rooted in his family, loves his son.

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Speaker 3: Man, they're inseparable.

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Speaker 4: So there's so many complicated individual I guess that's what

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Speaker 4: can understand why. You know, in a moment, if he

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Speaker 3: Line thing again.

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Speaker 4: I see they're working with him at first base, which

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Speaker 4: I find interesting. But the guy's at doubles machine. He

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Speaker 4: loves to play the game, and I enjoyed my time

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Speaker 4: and you have to understand that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I think it's a good move by the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, he knows Manny Machado.

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Speaker 1: Let's face it, a j Peler made sure he goes

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Speaker 1: to Manny Machado before he signs someone like that, and

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Speaker 2: So that's all good.

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Speaker 1: You've got Craig Stammin, a rookie manager there and never

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Speaker 2: Whatever. We'll see, But I do think, Joe, that it

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Speaker 2: had to end in Philly.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: We saw the writing on the wall when they signed

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Speaker 1: And he's another guy who he's a bounced back candidate.

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Speaker 1: Terrible year last year, actually the last couple of years

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Speaker 2: We'll see if Kevin Long can get him right, as

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Speaker 2: he's has done a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: But listen, you bring a beer into the dugout after

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Speaker 1: being taken out of the game, you question the manager.

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Speaker 2: He's too strict in some ways, too loose in to

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Speaker 2: other ways. It just can't happen.

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Speaker 1: And listen, if you're a star player and you're playing well,

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Speaker 1: you know this, Joe, you get a little more rope

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Speaker 1: right and you kind of move on from that because

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Speaker 1: the guy's productive bottom line is he hadn't been productive

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Speaker 1: with the Phillies or else he might still be there.

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Speaker 1: He's below average defensively, you know, I know what you

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Speaker 1: said about the analytics. I get it, but just eyeballing it.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's okay, but he's probably below major league

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Speaker 1: gaverage on the corners of the outfield. And his bat

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Speaker 1: actually has not been the same in the last couple

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Speaker 1: think it's a change of scenery candidate, and it's a

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Speaker 1: good move by aj Preller to pick him up. But

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Speaker 1: I do think he just couldn't bring him back to

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Speaker 2: And you know that well, Joe, no no doubt.

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, that was irreparable.

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Speaker 4: I thought, I don't know that anything could have been

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Speaker 4: said to bring Robbie and him back together again. And

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Speaker 4: it's sometimes things like that's just occur, and it's.

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Speaker 3: Part of life.

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Speaker 4: It's part of the world, not just in baseball. So

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Speaker 4: the Phillies did what they had to do. I think

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Speaker 4: it's a low risk potentially decently high reward if everything

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Speaker 3: That's just how that. Again, the game works.

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Speaker 4: You know, you sometimes you're the fortunate group to get

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Speaker 4: again the twenty seven or twenty eight year old. However,

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Speaker 4: it was irreparable. There's no question about that, and that's

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Speaker 4: It's stuff like this occurs. So Phillies moved on. Padres

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Speaker 4: pick it up. I like Nikki, I wish him well

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Speaker 4: and like I said, if he comes out of this

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Speaker 3: Just to Chase.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he says a lack of discipline in the

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Speaker 4: just start, He'll get in like Chase slider mode down

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Speaker 1: Oh Joe, we're talking about a guy who swings more

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Speaker 1: just can't do that in major leagues. There's aggressiveness. Then

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Speaker 1: there's over aggressiveness, right.

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Speaker 4: If he could somehow curb his enthusiasm, they're just a

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Speaker 4: you what, I've seen him hot man, Damn when when

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Speaker 4: like I said, it's it's extra base hits. He's always

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Speaker 4: probably betting on, and I really wish him well.

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Speaker 1: I can give your thumbnail thoughts on the Padres too,

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Speaker 1: because we all know, you know, the Dodgers are the

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Speaker 1: in that division. Arizona was a really good team last year,

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Speaker 4: Well, they just probably just got a contract extension, correct,

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Speaker 4: I think Crash read that today. So there's there's that

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Speaker 4: lot of times is because, like you're saying, I'm not

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Speaker 4: go out and sign the Nikky's and all the other

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Speaker 3: I really I'm a Griffin Canning fan. I hope I hope.

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Speaker 4: Griff as well and pitches as well as he did

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Speaker 4: He's got really good stuff. It's not high end velocity,

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Speaker 4: to see that work out for him. So he's trying

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Speaker 2: No, I love that thinking, Joe. It reminds me of

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Speaker 1: You're getting a foursome with a scratch golfer, right, You're

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Speaker 1: You know, put Mike Trout out there in center field

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Speaker 3: He is all of that. I think his his plea

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Speaker 4: That has to be built in before this season begins.

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Speaker 4: How many days and again, it's just something that's you

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Speaker 4: that everybody knows about.

436
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Speaker 3: So that's my history with him.

437
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Speaker 4: But I'll tell you one thing, if you make a

438
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Speaker 4: mistake down, it's going off the rocks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Him and Mark Maguire are the two best low ball

441
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Speaker 1: hitters I've ever seen. By the way, it's sixty five

442
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Speaker 1: percent fastballs that he sees. And I'd also like to

443
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Speaker 1: see Mike just pull the trigger on first pitch fastballs

444
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Speaker 1: a little more often and not concede though, just gear

445
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Speaker 1: up for those.

446
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Speaker 2: Hey, we're going to take a quick break here of

447
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Speaker 2: the Book of Joe.

448
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Speaker 1: I really want to ask Joe about the automatic ball

449
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Speaker 1: strike system that's coming, the Challenge system. I just got

450
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Speaker 1: back from Arizona talked with a lot of general managers

451
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Speaker 1: and managers about what is there a strategy for this

452
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Speaker 1: new strategy.

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Speaker 2: In Major League Baseball. We'll talk about that right after

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Speaker 2: this on the Book of Joe. Welcome back to the

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Speaker 2: Book of Joe.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's here, Joe, the Challenge system on balls and strikes.

457
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Speaker 2: Now, don't get all bad of shape about it.

458
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Speaker 1: You know, it's not going to change the game a

459
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Speaker 1: whole lot. On average, you're going to see four challenges

460
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Speaker 1: of a game. It's going to literally add about one

461
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Speaker 1: minute to the length of the game.

462
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Speaker 2: But you will see in very big moments there will

463
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Speaker 2: be challenges, and that's exactly what it's designed to do

464
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Speaker 2: to remedy those game changing calls that everybody can see

465
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Speaker 2: were missed. I like that end of it.

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Speaker 1: My question for you, Joe, is that as a manager,

467
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Speaker 1: this is something you're going to have to manage. There

468
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Speaker 1: are some teams now are looking at this and waiting

469
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Speaker 1: to see how it plays out.

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Speaker 2: Some are saying, we don't want our pitchers.

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Speaker 1: Challenging because they're farthest from the strike zone on the

472
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Speaker 1: mound and they think everything's a strike. And then there

473
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Speaker 1: are certain hitters you're probably gonna have to coach up

474
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Speaker 1: and say, listen, I know you think you have this

475
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Speaker 1: great idea of the strike zone, but you really don't.

476
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Speaker 1: So you better save these challenges and not be burning

477
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Speaker 1: them in the second inning with two outs and.

478
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Speaker 2: Nobody on base. So, Joe, how would you approach this?

479
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Speaker 1: The thing I did notice talking to these people out

480
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Speaker 1: in Arizona was that last year people didn't take it

481
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Speaker 1: too seriously. Remember they had it in spring training last

482
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Speaker 1: year because they knew it wasn't going to be used

483
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Speaker 1: in the regular season. Now they know it is going

484
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Speaker 1: to be used, and I think it's more of a

485
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Speaker 1: dress rehearsal that, you know, let's try to figure out

486
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Speaker 1: how we're going to use this again. I don't think

487
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Speaker 1: it's going to be a huge impact on the game,

488
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Speaker 1: but it will have some impact. What's your thoughts on

489
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Speaker 1: as a manager, how you would adjudicate this new system

490
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Speaker 1: of challenges.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I'd like to have been on the field,

492
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Speaker 4: to be on the field to really watch and see

493
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Speaker 4: this to give you probably a better answer, just observationally

494
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Speaker 4: and speaking with the primarily with you about it, because

495
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Speaker 4: I trust your judgment implicitly. All this stuff you just

496
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Speaker 4: said makes sense. Would you'd want to trust the catcher?

497
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Speaker 4: But I'm telling you what, even with certain catchers, there's

498
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Speaker 4: some guys you would trust more than others, And it's

499
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Speaker 4: just knowing.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of comes down to knowing your guys.

501
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Speaker 4: I think you would have a group meeting, but then

502
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Speaker 4: you might have to have some like one on one

503
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Speaker 4: meetings primarily with those that you don't really trust in

504
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Speaker 4: this moment more so than the guys that you do.

505
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Speaker 4: I think you could have like a blanket meeting that

506
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Speaker 4: covers the whole thing in regards to philosophically how we

507
00:24:04,918 --> 00:24:07,678
Speaker 4: feel about this, we want to utilize it. And then

508
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Speaker 4: after that there's going to be certain guys that you

509
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Speaker 4: just really don't trust their opinion at all. Balls and strikes.

510
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Speaker 4: It's it's been played out over time. The guys that

511
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Speaker 4: you've had, guys that you're just coming in the door,

512
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Speaker 4: maybe not so much reputation might will precede.

513
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Speaker 3: Them, and you have to listen to that too.

514
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Speaker 4: But for me, this is something that requires a lot

515
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Speaker 4: of one on one conversation. Beyond, like they said, the

516
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Speaker 4: group meeting, I think you'd have to make adjustments during

517
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Speaker 4: the course of the year.

518
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Speaker 3: Possibly you you might see things differently.

519
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Speaker 4: But the fact that they've done it, even in spring training,

520
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Speaker 4: and the fact that it's been done in the minor leagues,

521
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Speaker 4: I'm sure there's been a lot of anecdotal information being

522
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Speaker 4: given to major league guys now from guys in the

523
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Speaker 4: minor leagues that have seen it more often, and you're

524
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Speaker 4: going to get a better kind of opinion on how

525
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Speaker 4: to do this from folks that have actually been through it. So,

526
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Speaker 4: like I said, from a distance, it would be a

527
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Speaker 4: group meeting absolutely, and then to be an individual meeting

528
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Speaker 4: to encourage or suggest to those or ask those that

529
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Speaker 4: you don't really missing.

530
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Speaker 3: Man, you're always.

531
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Speaker 4: Complaining about borderline pitches. You know you might be you know,

532
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Speaker 4: thirty forty percent right at best. I prefer that you

533
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Speaker 4: did not do not do this right now, that kind

534
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Speaker 4: of a thing. I mean, it's it's gonna be some

535
00:25:24,278 --> 00:25:28,998
Speaker 4: tough conversations. But in order to preserve these challenges for

536
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Speaker 4: when you need them, you have to be honest with

537
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Speaker 4: your guys. In the one number two, this could happen

538
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Speaker 4: in the first inning, then it's absolutely required. I mean,

539
00:25:35,798 --> 00:25:38,838
Speaker 4: bases loaded, two outs, whatever, full count pitch if you

540
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Speaker 4: didn't like it, or you liked it and you want

541
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Speaker 4: to dispute the umpire's call. So it could happen in

542
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Speaker 4: the first inning as well as the ninth inning. It's

543
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Speaker 4: not like it's built for a particular inning in the game.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're right, Joe.

545
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Speaker 1: They do have the data when it was used in

546
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Speaker 1: the minor leagues, not that it's exactly the same as

547
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Speaker 1: the major leagues, but I think it's something to go

548
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Speaker 1: by here. And the fact is, even with these challenges,

549
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Speaker 1: they're one only about fifty percent of the times a

550
00:26:04,118 --> 00:26:04,638
Speaker 1: coin flip.

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Speaker 2: I mean we're talking about borderline pitches, right.

552
00:26:08,198 --> 00:26:11,638
Speaker 1: Yes, Pitchers when they have challenge and they don't challenge

553
00:26:11,638 --> 00:26:14,678
Speaker 1: as often as the hitter or the catcher, they're wrong

554
00:26:14,798 --> 00:26:17,518
Speaker 1: more than the pitcher. And then the better and the

555
00:26:17,558 --> 00:26:21,438
Speaker 1: catcher I think this plays a tremendous responsibility. Even more

556
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Speaker 1: not they don't have a lot on their plate already

557
00:26:23,518 --> 00:26:27,038
Speaker 1: on catchers, because they do see the strikes on best

558
00:26:27,158 --> 00:26:31,038
Speaker 1: with their vantage point directly behind it. They work with

559
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Speaker 1: umpires all the time, and as far as the strategy

560
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Speaker 1: the game goes, I think they have a really good

561
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Speaker 1: understanding of when to challenge when not to.

562
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Speaker 2: So I think, almost like Joe, if you have a catcher.

563
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Speaker 1: Behind a plate who's really just, for lack of a

564
00:26:46,038 --> 00:26:49,358
Speaker 1: better term, smart high baseball IQ, that could be a

565
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Speaker 1: bit of an edge. And I say again, a bit

566
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Speaker 1: of an edge because you're only talking about maybe two

567
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Speaker 1: or three challenges that are overturned the course of the game.

568
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Speaker 1: But again and in some situations, it could change a game.

569
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Speaker 2: So I like it. I like the fact that there's

570
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Speaker 2: fan engagement here.

571
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Speaker 1: It takes fifteen sixteen seconds extup on the scoreboard, everybody

572
00:27:06,278 --> 00:27:09,998
Speaker 1: can follow along in real time. If there's going to

573
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Speaker 1: be the biggest change, I think it's that, based on

574
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Speaker 1: the minor league history, strikeouts are going to go down slightly.

575
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Speaker 1: That's a good thing, and walks are going to go

576
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Speaker 1: up slightly because remember, these umpires now have to call

577
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Speaker 1: the exact zone where you know, and I know that

578
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Speaker 1: traditionally they call a zone that's more oval than it

579
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Speaker 1: is rectangular. And especially it's count dependent, right that three

580
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Speaker 1: to zero pitch that is a little bit off the plate.

581
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Speaker 1: The umpire's ninety percent of the time going to call

582
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Speaker 1: out a strike, not gonna do that anymore. So that's

583
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Speaker 1: why you're going to see walks go up slightly in

584
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.

585
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Speaker 4: Do you discuss situationally meaning leadoff hitters, you know, in

586
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Speaker 4: a two strike situation like say a full count two

587
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Speaker 4: leadoff hitter, that's big because this is I'm saying number one,

588
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Speaker 4: number two would be unders in scoring position and even

589
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Speaker 4: to the point of like the hitter coming up with

590
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Speaker 4: two outs like say say, for instance, judges on deck

591
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Speaker 4: and it's like you know, a borderline three two pitch,

592
00:28:14,558 --> 00:28:17,518
Speaker 4: two outs that would load the bases, there's no place

593
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Speaker 4: to put judge.

594
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Speaker 3: Is that also an indicator situation to go.

595
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Speaker 4: Ahead and challenge I would have to believe that analytics

596
00:28:26,278 --> 00:28:33,078
Speaker 4: can could pinpoint those particular moments situations that we are

597
00:28:33,158 --> 00:28:36,558
Speaker 4: more highly charged and regardings to challenging because the benefits

598
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Speaker 4: could be greater.

599
00:28:37,398 --> 00:28:38,118
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.

600
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Speaker 1: It's almost like a football coach having that card right

601
00:28:40,438 --> 00:28:42,158
Speaker 1: when to go for two when not. The only thing

602
00:28:42,198 --> 00:28:45,238
Speaker 1: here is this has to be done instantaneously, right by

603
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Speaker 1: the batter, pitcher, catcher.

604
00:28:46,478 --> 00:28:48,238
Speaker 2: So you're talking about one or two seconds.

605
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Speaker 4: Of course, of course, in that nobody could yell from

606
00:28:50,518 --> 00:28:52,078
Speaker 4: the dugout. No, the manager can't yell.

607
00:28:52,158 --> 00:28:53,358
Speaker 2: Nobody can yell from the dougouts.

608
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Speaker 4: Interesting, Yeah, so okay, again, i'd have to see this

609
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Speaker 4: in play.

610
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Speaker 3: It'd be like, really, oh my god.

611
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Speaker 4: There's certain guys okay, like the guy hitting in front

612
00:29:04,598 --> 00:29:08,638
Speaker 4: of judge or like you know whomever. O Tawny like

613
00:29:08,718 --> 00:29:10,718
Speaker 4: to have a conversation with him because I want him

614
00:29:10,718 --> 00:29:12,918
Speaker 4: at the play. This is going to be the third out,

615
00:29:12,918 --> 00:29:16,478
Speaker 4: third strike, and it was borderline eating over. Maybe that's

616
00:29:16,478 --> 00:29:18,318
Speaker 4: a good time the challenge. Get him up with multiple

617
00:29:18,398 --> 00:29:21,398
Speaker 4: runners on base as an example, you know, with the

618
00:29:21,478 --> 00:29:25,638
Speaker 4: leadoff hitter again, that's that's kind of obvious, and the

619
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Speaker 4: runners in scoring position in general, you know, getting that

620
00:29:29,558 --> 00:29:31,598
Speaker 4: to that next pitch. I don't know if it's a

621
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Speaker 4: is it a zero out play, is it a one

622
00:29:33,198 --> 00:29:33,758
Speaker 4: out plays?

623
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Speaker 3: Is it a two out play?

624
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Speaker 4: Meaning the play being the challenge the system and what

625
00:29:38,558 --> 00:29:41,478
Speaker 4: regards to the different number of outs and innings play

626
00:29:41,518 --> 00:29:44,278
Speaker 4: into the challenge or not. You would think with zero

627
00:29:44,278 --> 00:29:47,318
Speaker 4: outs you would be more app But like I'm saying,

628
00:29:47,318 --> 00:29:49,998
Speaker 4: with the two out situation with a prodigious hitter on

629
00:29:50,118 --> 00:29:53,558
Speaker 4: deck and when there's multiple runners, I think that have

630
00:29:53,598 --> 00:29:55,918
Speaker 4: to be something interesting to think about. So there's a

631
00:29:55,918 --> 00:29:58,478
Speaker 4: lot to talk about and to have, like you know,

632
00:29:58,558 --> 00:30:01,638
Speaker 4: the baseball I Q among the players themselves to be

633
00:30:01,678 --> 00:30:04,438
Speaker 4: able to be in the moment enough or maybe like

634
00:30:04,438 --> 00:30:06,438
Speaker 4: the manager reminds him where a coach reminds you before

635
00:30:06,438 --> 00:30:08,318
Speaker 4: he goes up to here. Listen, if we get deep

636
00:30:08,318 --> 00:30:10,758
Speaker 4: into count, we get to this point and it's borderline,

637
00:30:10,798 --> 00:30:12,518
Speaker 4: we want, we want so and so up to the plate.

638
00:30:12,918 --> 00:30:15,158
Speaker 4: If you honestly believe it's a borderline, go ahead and

639
00:30:15,238 --> 00:30:17,238
Speaker 4: challenge it. I mean, there's got to be some kind

640
00:30:17,278 --> 00:30:19,478
Speaker 4: of reminder system. If in fact you're going to come

641
00:30:19,478 --> 00:30:21,958
Speaker 4: out with this laundry list of dues and don'ts.

642
00:30:22,638 --> 00:30:23,798
Speaker 3: There's got to be some.

643
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Speaker 4: Kind of like a pre maybe whether hitters in the hole,

644
00:30:27,918 --> 00:30:30,678
Speaker 4: just to remind him of certain little things. Maybe there's

645
00:30:30,678 --> 00:30:32,718
Speaker 4: a seasons in progress you have to remind him less,

646
00:30:32,718 --> 00:30:34,438
Speaker 4: maybe earlier in the season remind him more.

647
00:30:34,998 --> 00:30:35,758
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see.

648
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Speaker 1: That's so I said, I think spring training this year

649
00:30:37,758 --> 00:30:39,398
Speaker 1: is going to be interesting because I do think they

650
00:30:39,438 --> 00:30:41,958
Speaker 1: have to take it on a game type, like a

651
00:30:41,998 --> 00:30:44,878
Speaker 1: regular season game type situation, to just kind of try

652
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Speaker 1: it out all those scenarios you were mentioning.

653
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Speaker 2: As a fan.

654
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Speaker 1: I think this is pretty cool that when you're watching

655
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Speaker 1: game on television now or you're following it online, the

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Speaker 1: strike zone that you see will be exactly the strike

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Speaker 1: zone that's being called by the ABS system.

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Speaker 2: In the past, those did not merge, they did not

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Speaker 2: match up.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of times you'd be watching a game

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Speaker 1: on television and you see this K zone or the

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Speaker 1: bars of the strike zone, you're thinking, man, that was

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Speaker 1: a strike. Well, not necessarily, because it all varied based

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Speaker 1: on who is doing the broadcast. Now it's the exact

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Speaker 1: strike zone. These guys are all laser laser measured in

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Speaker 1: spring training, and they have a formula to decide how

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Speaker 1: tall the strike zone is. We know how wide it

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Speaker 1: is at seventeen inches where it starts on the top

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Speaker 1: of the bottom based on a percentage of your height.

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Speaker 1: So that strike zone is immutable I mean, it is

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Speaker 1: what it is based on your height, and it'll be

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Speaker 1: the same everywhere. Now. The only change that apparently they're

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Speaker 1: going to make is that when you're watching the game

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Speaker 1: on TV, a lot of times they would show where

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Speaker 1: the ball crossed the strike zone in real time on

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Speaker 1: those hairlines of the strike zone. That ain't happening anymore.

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Speaker 1: You know, in real time you're not going to see that.

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Speaker 1: So if you're watching the game, you will have to

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Speaker 1: decide yourself whether that pitch should be challenged or not.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to be obvious, like you could see

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Speaker 1: a dot on the strike zone in or out. He

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Speaker 1: should challenge that because obviously that's out there.

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Speaker 2: In real time.

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Speaker 1: You've got issues in terms of what people are looking

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Speaker 1: at in the ballpark and especially around the.

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Speaker 2: Clubhouse in the dugout.

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Speaker 1: So, at least as a fan, though, when you see

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Speaker 1: the strike zone on your television screen or on your

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Speaker 1: iPad whatever, it's going to be the official strike zone.

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Speaker 4: This is a shift in strategy, a strategical shift. This

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Speaker 4: is a part of strategy now when to utilize the

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Speaker 4: challenge or not.

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Speaker 3: And now the fans are going to.

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Speaker 4: Be even another reason to be more involved in a

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Speaker 4: new version of baseball strategy regarding calling, whether you think

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Speaker 4: it's a ball or a strike, situation safer out on

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Speaker 4: the basis, all the the shifts and strategy have become

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Speaker 4: more technical, technically involved as opposed to baseball involved. You know,

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Speaker 4: again what you as the subtraction or of strategy based.

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Speaker 3: On role changes.

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Speaker 4: Run around you know, run around second base, extra innings,

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Speaker 4: three batter minimum, the number of throwers over throw overs

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Speaker 4: the first base, these kind of things that have limited

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Speaker 4: strategy and have really again kind of leveled playing fields

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Speaker 4: based on experience of people having been in the game

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Speaker 4: from a period of time, whereas they could see things

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Speaker 4: that maybe others cannot. So we're we're from a from

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure this out, as I'm talking about

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Speaker 4: from a fans perspective, an observer's perspective, we're going to

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Speaker 4: be more interested in calling balls and strikes now than

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Speaker 4: actual game strategy. But part of it is the game

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Speaker 4: strategy has been ameliorated in a sense, it's been lightened.

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Speaker 4: It's it's like baseball light strategy wise, first with the

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Speaker 4: elimination of the nationally game and then the elimination of

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Speaker 4: different strategies within the game. So we're becoming we're becoming

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Speaker 4: more obviously more tech involved as opposed to human strategy

717
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Speaker 4: involved in the ebb and flow of the game. I mean,

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Speaker 4: just that just tipped me as you're talking about it,

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Speaker 4: when you said that the fans are going to be

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Speaker 4: really paying attention to the strike zone.

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Speaker 3: I think they are.

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Speaker 4: Their interest level is going to be more in tune

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Speaker 4: to that than you know, watching a beautifully executed relay

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Speaker 4: or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Well, ye, one hundred percent, right, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I mean I can see fans in the stands yelling challenge, challenge, challenge, right, Yeah,

727
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Speaker 1: that's going to be mean, just eyeballing it from the stands.

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Speaker 1: Everybody thinks there's an they're an umpire from the third

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Speaker 1: deck of a stadium.

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Speaker 2: I get it. Uh, And what does it mean for

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Speaker 2: a manager? What does it mean for somebody like Aaron Boone.

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Speaker 1: Who's gotten on umpires after like three pitches have been

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Speaker 1: called in a game. Well, you have a redress here.

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Speaker 1: You can challenge if you want. If you think I'm

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Speaker 1: that bad, challenge these pitches. Is Aaron Boone going to

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Speaker 1: be riding umpires in the same way?

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Speaker 3: But is it good?

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Speaker 4: Because again, you're talking about the elimination of emotion. That's

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Speaker 4: that's what I've always argued again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another question.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, the more heavy we get into technology, the more

742
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Speaker 1: you take out the human moment and emotion.

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Speaker 2: There's no question about that.

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Speaker 1: But the technology has advanced so far that baseball and

745
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Speaker 1: society in general feels like we can't stop it. You know,

746
00:35:13,598 --> 00:35:16,278
Speaker 1: this is coming anyway, so we have to find a

747
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Speaker 1: way to, if not embrace it, at least deploy it.

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Speaker 1: But you're right, there's always a cost. The more we

749
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Speaker 1: go down the road of technology.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the more we seek perfection based on the fact

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Speaker 4: that we are so imperfect, so we're seeking perfection in

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Speaker 4: other ways.

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Speaker 3: I mean, perfection.

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Speaker 4: Always was to practice field right physically and then the

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Speaker 4: practice field mentally, coming up with your own process and

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Speaker 4: programs internally in order to replicate your swing, your fielding,

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Speaker 4: your release point. That was perfection was that it was

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Speaker 4: the ability to recreate movement. Talking about golf, how horrible

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Speaker 4: golf my driver's swing is. Some days it's great, some

760
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Speaker 4: days it's horrible. It's the inability to recreate that. But

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Speaker 4: we rely that we have all these different golf taking

762
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Speaker 4: all these other things we want to go to and

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Speaker 4: have a machine correct us.

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Speaker 3: Is that good? Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But there's this constant shift or seeking or searching for perfection.

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Speaker 4: And I've always I told you years. I used to

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Speaker 4: sit next to Troy Gloss on a tough day and

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Speaker 4: I would tell him, Troy, perfection is a boring concept.

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Speaker 4: And I will also tell him it only takes one

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Speaker 4: at bat to have a great night on those nights

771
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Speaker 4: that were very difficult for him. So I don't know

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Speaker 4: that I have to be convinced this constant searching for

773
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Speaker 4: technological perfection is that actually a better method and attitude

774
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Speaker 4: for us to pursue as opposed to us on an

775
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Speaker 4: individual basis, just through work, effort, brain power, cunting, whatever

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Speaker 4: you want to call it, seeking our own personal perfection.

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Speaker 3: That's where I got I think that's where I get

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Speaker 3: confused or upset because I think.

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Speaker 4: My whole career, my whole life, has been the fact

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Speaker 4: that if I work harder than Tom Verducci and I

781
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Speaker 4: see things a little bit more clearly than Tom does,

782
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Speaker 4: I might have an edge on him in the game

783
00:37:15,918 --> 00:37:19,838
Speaker 4: where today these talk about blurred lines because nobody's even

784
00:37:19,878 --> 00:37:23,518
Speaker 4: going there anymore, because all the methods, all the information

785
00:37:23,758 --> 00:37:26,758
Speaker 4: is homogenized. Everybody's working from the same sheet of music.

786
00:37:27,318 --> 00:37:31,638
Speaker 4: So again, I do believe perfection is a boring concept.

787
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Speaker 1: Well like it or not, we have a perfectly defined

788
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Speaker 1: strike zone now and we'll see how that plays out

789
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to take a quick break, Joe.

791
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Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time in the Dodgers camp

792
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Speaker 1: out in Bendel, Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating to see how deep this team is with pitching.

794
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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the Dodgers and their deep,

795
00:37:53,158 --> 00:37:55,398
Speaker 1: deep roster of pitchers right after this on the.

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Speaker 2: Book of Joe. Welcome back to the Book of Joe.

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Speaker 2: It's uh. I don't know about you, Joe.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite parts of spring training is to

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Speaker 1: go to the bullpen mounts and watch guys throw their bullpens.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Dodgers have a ten pack of mounds,

801
00:38:21,598 --> 00:38:23,998
Speaker 1: and not that they fill every mound, but you'll see

802
00:38:24,078 --> 00:38:25,958
Speaker 1: four or five guys thrown at the same time.

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Speaker 2: First of all, if you stand up close to.

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Speaker 1: Major leaguers as they're throwing bullpen sessions and that many

805
00:38:31,598 --> 00:38:33,478
Speaker 1: of them, you wonder how anybody ever gets a hit?

806
00:38:34,278 --> 00:38:38,398
Speaker 1: It is just remarkable, especially you know, first time on

807
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Speaker 1: the mound in spring training. Guys have been thrown off

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Speaker 1: a mountd for you know, a week or two before

809
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Speaker 1: they get there. I mean, they are almost that mid

810
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Speaker 1: season form when spring training starts.

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Speaker 2: They never used to be that way.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm watching the Dodgers throw, and you know,

813
00:38:53,398 --> 00:38:56,478
Speaker 1: Otani's out there as purposeful as ever.

814
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Speaker 2: Watching him throw a bullpen man, there is no wasted motion.

815
00:39:00,598 --> 00:39:01,718
Speaker 2: You know, he takes his time.

816
00:39:01,758 --> 00:39:03,518
Speaker 1: He actually, if you had a pitch timer, he probably

817
00:39:03,518 --> 00:39:06,958
Speaker 1: would the fifteen or twenty seconds. He wants to know

818
00:39:07,198 --> 00:39:09,638
Speaker 1: the spin rates and the spin axis on all the pitches.

819
00:39:09,838 --> 00:39:14,358
Speaker 1: Just a craftsman at work watching him throw. A couple

820
00:39:14,438 --> 00:39:16,558
Speaker 1: of things stood out to me, though we know that

821
00:39:17,438 --> 00:39:19,958
Speaker 1: to me, they're gonna slow play show hey, because he's

822
00:39:20,038 --> 00:39:24,878
Speaker 1: not pitching in the WBC, He's gonna start throwing live vps.

823
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Speaker 1: He's gonna throw while he goes over to Team Japan

824
00:39:28,798 --> 00:39:32,078
Speaker 1: and serves as their DH and you know, obviously keep

825
00:39:32,118 --> 00:39:36,478
Speaker 1: his throwing program up, but he might not be in

826
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Speaker 1: the opening day rotation. Listen, you're gonna get about twenty

827
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Speaker 1: three starts at his showway in the course of the season.

828
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Speaker 1: There's no reason why you have to force it in

829
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Speaker 1: from day one to this season. So he's fine, he's

830
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Speaker 1: gonna throw one hundred and sixty innings twenty three starts.

831
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't worry about it, but I wouldn't be surprised

832
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Speaker 1: if he doesn't start. Literally the first series of the season,

833
00:39:59,158 --> 00:40:02,878
Speaker 1: Blake Snell slow played. As Scott Boris told me, he's

834
00:40:02,878 --> 00:40:04,998
Speaker 1: a trophy pitcher. In other words, you want him at

835
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Speaker 1: the end of the year. You don't want him for

836
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Speaker 1: two hundred innings. He ain't gonna come close to that.

837
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Speaker 1: But if you want to win a championship and maybe

838
00:40:11,518 --> 00:40:13,918
Speaker 1: the Cy young for him with one hundred and sixty innings,

839
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Speaker 1: he's your guy.

840
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Speaker 2: But here's what stood out to me, Joe.

841
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Speaker 1: You forgot about guys like River Ryan Gavin Stone, who

842
00:40:20,558 --> 00:40:23,158
Speaker 1: actually led their staff and innings a couple of years ago.

843
00:40:23,958 --> 00:40:27,198
Speaker 1: These guys were just throwing the tar out of the

844
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Speaker 1: baseball And then there's Roki Sasaki. People forget Roki Sasaki

845
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Speaker 1: could be one of the best pitchers in the world.

846
00:40:34,518 --> 00:40:37,158
Speaker 1: This guy is throwing ninety eight in his first time

847
00:40:37,238 --> 00:40:41,478
Speaker 1: on the mound. He's got a nasty split that actually

848
00:40:41,638 --> 00:40:44,518
Speaker 1: goes any which way. He can cut it, sink it,

849
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Speaker 1: run it. And this year the Dodgers have added cutter

850
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Speaker 1: and a two seamer to Sasaki. Now, the foundation of

851
00:40:52,078 --> 00:40:54,038
Speaker 1: his pitching is always going to be the four seam

852
00:40:54,118 --> 00:40:56,678
Speaker 1: fastball and the split just a deadly accommodation.

853
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Speaker 2: But the way the world is now, you need to

854
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Speaker 2: at least show some other pitches.

855
00:41:01,038 --> 00:41:03,198
Speaker 1: And the cutter actually is a pitch they like him

856
00:41:03,198 --> 00:41:05,678
Speaker 1: to throw now again, and it's not just lefties getting

857
00:41:05,718 --> 00:41:08,438
Speaker 1: in on their hands, but the right handed hitters as well.

858
00:41:09,038 --> 00:41:12,278
Speaker 1: So if Roki Sasaki can stretch the width of the

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00:41:12,358 --> 00:41:14,918
Speaker 1: plate a little bit, because he works primarily up and down,

860
00:41:15,598 --> 00:41:19,518
Speaker 1: and this guy's stuff is just nasty. I mean, they

861
00:41:19,638 --> 00:41:23,918
Speaker 1: have like five potential number one starters on that step

862
00:41:24,118 --> 00:41:26,198
Speaker 1: and that's not even talking about the emmit Chians and

863
00:41:26,198 --> 00:41:29,718
Speaker 1: the Ben Kasparius is the world. As Andrew Friedman told me, Joe,

864
00:41:30,558 --> 00:41:34,478
Speaker 1: this is the most pitching depth he has ever had

865
00:41:34,638 --> 00:41:36,638
Speaker 1: in his major league career, and I saw on the

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Speaker 1: mound it is outstanding.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all the above.

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Speaker 4: We try to get that done here with the Rays

869
00:41:43,398 --> 00:41:45,718
Speaker 4: back in the day, and we were pretty good different

870
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Speaker 4: speing at that time. Our intention at that time we

871
00:41:49,278 --> 00:41:51,798
Speaker 4: didn't have we had good arms, and not necessarily the

872
00:41:51,878 --> 00:41:54,998
Speaker 4: depth of those arms there. But I was always I

873
00:41:55,078 --> 00:41:57,438
Speaker 4: had always challenged our starters to throw a thousand innings.

874
00:41:57,878 --> 00:41:59,958
Speaker 4: That wasn't just five guys. It might have been seven,

875
00:42:00,078 --> 00:42:03,118
Speaker 4: might have been eight guys. But if our starters threw

876
00:42:03,118 --> 00:42:05,798
Speaker 4: a thousand innings in pretty good shape, that's really, like

877
00:42:05,878 --> 00:42:08,358
Speaker 4: you just suggested, that's not a part of the landscape anymore.

878
00:42:08,878 --> 00:42:10,758
Speaker 4: Part of it is the depth, and part of it

879
00:42:10,918 --> 00:42:14,358
Speaker 4: is the depth has been created through really good scouting

880
00:42:14,398 --> 00:42:17,518
Speaker 4: techniques plus cash, so they got those things going on.

881
00:42:18,038 --> 00:42:23,158
Speaker 4: So yes, intentional show, Hey, absolutely slow playing, there's no question,

882
00:42:23,438 --> 00:42:26,158
Speaker 4: there's no reason to not do that, and that's absolutely

883
00:42:26,198 --> 00:42:28,558
Speaker 4: what's going to happen. And then you talk about guys

884
00:42:28,598 --> 00:42:30,358
Speaker 4: like SNeW I mean, of course that's going to.

885
00:42:30,518 --> 00:42:31,518
Speaker 3: Dovetail be part of that.

886
00:42:31,678 --> 00:42:36,118
Speaker 4: Maybe not as much as show, but absolutely A Scott said,

887
00:42:36,158 --> 00:42:38,198
Speaker 4: being a trophy pitcher in today's game and how.

888
00:42:38,078 --> 00:42:38,638
Speaker 3: It's set up.

889
00:42:40,158 --> 00:42:43,158
Speaker 4: So that's absolutely probably what's gonna happen. And then you

890
00:42:43,238 --> 00:42:46,438
Speaker 4: describe the players. Now, while you're saying all this, it

891
00:42:46,598 --> 00:42:49,718
Speaker 4: also meant me this would be part of my messaging

892
00:42:49,758 --> 00:42:52,198
Speaker 4: with the Padres, the giants, et cetera.

893
00:42:52,798 --> 00:42:55,158
Speaker 3: I mean, you really number one.

894
00:42:55,238 --> 00:42:57,358
Speaker 4: I think the one thing I would harp on as

895
00:42:57,438 --> 00:42:59,438
Speaker 4: much as anything which they did anyway, but this would

896
00:42:59,438 --> 00:43:04,278
Speaker 4: even be maybe more prominent now, is to get off

897
00:43:04,318 --> 00:43:06,198
Speaker 4: the good start. You got to beat these guys early.

898
00:43:06,678 --> 00:43:08,638
Speaker 4: Beat them early. Because they're they're coming off of two

899
00:43:09,158 --> 00:43:13,758
Speaker 4: in a row. There's going to be this this protectionism

900
00:43:13,838 --> 00:43:16,798
Speaker 4: going on because they're playing with house money. Getting three

901
00:43:16,798 --> 00:43:20,238
Speaker 4: would be great, three peat us wonderful, But you know,

902
00:43:20,398 --> 00:43:22,278
Speaker 4: playing the long game, which they will do, they're not

903
00:43:22,358 --> 00:43:25,278
Speaker 4: going to push guys necessarily, so I think the fact

904
00:43:25,318 --> 00:43:28,518
Speaker 4: that they want to and if they start presenting that

905
00:43:28,558 --> 00:43:28,918
Speaker 4: they're going.

906
00:43:28,878 --> 00:43:29,718
Speaker 3: To hold people back.

907
00:43:30,318 --> 00:43:32,958
Speaker 4: Man, I mean out put the pedal to the metal

908
00:43:32,998 --> 00:43:34,758
Speaker 4: regarding we got to get off to a good start.

909
00:43:35,238 --> 00:43:37,638
Speaker 4: Let's get on these guys early, and whenever we get

910
00:43:37,678 --> 00:43:41,238
Speaker 4: an opportunity to beat them, beat them earlier in the season,

911
00:43:41,238 --> 00:43:43,838
Speaker 4: because they should get better season in progress, and furthermore,

912
00:43:43,958 --> 00:43:46,518
Speaker 4: just in general terms, we have to get out of

913
00:43:46,598 --> 00:43:49,878
Speaker 4: the gates early and well in order to be competitive

914
00:43:50,278 --> 00:43:52,318
Speaker 4: this year. That would be like probably the number one

915
00:43:52,358 --> 00:43:54,318
Speaker 4: thing to talk about. I know a lot of guys do,

916
00:43:54,478 --> 00:43:56,158
Speaker 4: but I was really big on that. I mean with

917
00:43:56,278 --> 00:43:58,038
Speaker 4: the Rais and we ascend it in two thousand and

918
00:43:58,158 --> 00:44:00,678
Speaker 4: eight because we had two seven game losing streaks that

919
00:44:00,798 --> 00:44:03,558
Speaker 4: year going to the World Series. But we got we

920
00:44:03,638 --> 00:44:05,998
Speaker 4: got good, we got out really good. And it's a

921
00:44:06,038 --> 00:44:09,438
Speaker 4: difference maker. So just look into all these different like

922
00:44:09,558 --> 00:44:12,278
Speaker 4: this is conversation. This is this segment right here to

923
00:44:12,358 --> 00:44:14,838
Speaker 4: me would fuel the other if I'm working with another team.

924
00:44:15,118 --> 00:44:17,118
Speaker 3: This is really our schematic. This is what we got

925
00:44:17,238 --> 00:44:19,758
Speaker 3: to do, and we can't absolutely can do this.

926
00:44:19,878 --> 00:44:22,918
Speaker 4: You got to ambush these people early and often, and

927
00:44:22,998 --> 00:44:24,918
Speaker 4: you can't take your foot off the pedal, and you

928
00:44:25,078 --> 00:44:28,118
Speaker 4: got to start creating this believability and what we can

929
00:44:28,198 --> 00:44:30,758
Speaker 4: and cannot do here. And this is like what Henry

930
00:44:30,798 --> 00:44:32,478
Speaker 4: Ford once said, if you think you can, you can,

931
00:44:32,998 --> 00:44:34,958
Speaker 4: and if you think you can't, you cannot. I think

932
00:44:34,998 --> 00:44:36,598
Speaker 4: that was a Henry Ford isn't back in the early

933
00:44:36,718 --> 00:44:39,638
Speaker 4: nineteen hundreds, and that's exactly the attitude they have to adopt.

934
00:44:40,198 --> 00:44:41,318
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that thinking.

935
00:44:41,438 --> 00:44:43,918
Speaker 1: I had not thought about that, But as everybody wants

936
00:44:43,958 --> 00:44:45,478
Speaker 1: to get up to a good start, we all know that.

937
00:44:46,118 --> 00:44:50,078
Speaker 1: But even more important, I think to make that an issue,

938
00:44:50,318 --> 00:44:53,838
Speaker 1: you know, a topic for a team and just sort

939
00:44:53,878 --> 00:44:56,158
Speaker 1: of doubling down on it, like, let's get after this

940
00:44:56,278 --> 00:44:58,198
Speaker 1: right away and not ease into the season. Because I

941
00:44:58,198 --> 00:45:00,878
Speaker 1: think you're right. We've seen it with most defending champions.

942
00:45:01,398 --> 00:45:03,518
Speaker 1: They do tend to start slower. Some of that is

943
00:45:03,558 --> 00:45:05,878
Speaker 1: just the where or terror of playing for that seventh month.

944
00:45:07,438 --> 00:45:11,598
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm all about that. By the way, when

945
00:45:11,638 --> 00:45:14,078
Speaker 1: I mentioned all these pitchers and the depth the Dodgers have,

946
00:45:14,438 --> 00:45:17,758
Speaker 1: they use their depth. They've basically rewritten the rules of

947
00:45:17,758 --> 00:45:21,078
Speaker 1: the game, partly because of signing people like Otani and

948
00:45:21,198 --> 00:45:23,958
Speaker 1: Yamamoto at Sasaki who are used to that once a

949
00:45:24,038 --> 00:45:25,518
Speaker 1: week pitching schedule in Japan.

950
00:45:26,278 --> 00:45:27,198
Speaker 2: I looked at this, Joe.

951
00:45:27,278 --> 00:45:30,398
Speaker 1: The last three years twenty twenty three through twenty twenty five,

952
00:45:30,998 --> 00:45:34,678
Speaker 1: the fewest starts on four days rest. Now we have

953
00:45:34,798 --> 00:45:37,318
Speaker 1: to change our minds because that used to be normal rest.

954
00:45:37,438 --> 00:45:40,958
Speaker 1: Right started going on the fifth day. Most starts now

955
00:45:41,918 --> 00:45:45,278
Speaker 1: have five days or rest of rest, or more so

956
00:45:45,598 --> 00:45:48,078
Speaker 1: normal rest. That four days is like short rest now.

957
00:45:48,758 --> 00:45:51,438
Speaker 1: So the fewest starts on four days of rest in

958
00:45:51,478 --> 00:45:55,198
Speaker 1: the past three years by far, the Los Angeles Dodgers

959
00:45:55,518 --> 00:46:00,118
Speaker 1: only sixty four. The next fewest the Houston Astros, at

960
00:46:00,358 --> 00:46:06,558
Speaker 1: ninety six. The median is one hundred fifty seven. So like,

961
00:46:06,798 --> 00:46:09,078
Speaker 1: no one is close to the Dodgers as far as

962
00:46:09,318 --> 00:46:14,958
Speaker 1: giving their starters extra rest and listen, you need the

963
00:46:15,038 --> 00:46:16,918
Speaker 1: depth to do that. Right There's a lot of teams

964
00:46:16,918 --> 00:46:19,758
Speaker 1: struggling to find a fifth starter right now. The Dodgers

965
00:46:19,838 --> 00:46:22,238
Speaker 1: have about eight, nine or ten of them who could

966
00:46:22,278 --> 00:46:25,478
Speaker 1: start in any rotation right now. So this is kind

967
00:46:25,518 --> 00:46:28,958
Speaker 1: of where the resources and the depth of the Dodgers

968
00:46:29,238 --> 00:46:33,558
Speaker 1: really shows up in that they can afford to give

969
00:46:34,078 --> 00:46:38,398
Speaker 1: pitchers five, six, even seven days of rest between starts

970
00:46:38,478 --> 00:46:40,918
Speaker 1: and when you're planning on playing that seventh month man,

971
00:46:40,998 --> 00:46:41,518
Speaker 1: that's huge.

972
00:46:42,118 --> 00:46:44,518
Speaker 4: Well, that was part of the landscape the last years

973
00:46:44,678 --> 00:46:50,238
Speaker 4: with the Angels, this last managerial stint, my motto was

974
00:46:50,358 --> 00:46:53,478
Speaker 4: it's easier to find a six man rotation that you like.

975
00:46:54,678 --> 00:46:56,638
Speaker 4: It'd be easier to find six men than five.

976
00:46:57,158 --> 00:47:01,478
Speaker 3: And the point was with five, the threat of injury

977
00:47:01,558 --> 00:47:01,798
Speaker 3: was there.

978
00:47:02,238 --> 00:47:04,718
Speaker 4: The thread of five was at these guys weren't used

979
00:47:04,758 --> 00:47:07,918
Speaker 4: to pitching that many innings with that little rest without

980
00:47:07,958 --> 00:47:09,678
Speaker 4: getting injured. It's just not part of the way the

981
00:47:10,198 --> 00:47:12,998
Speaker 4: baseball pitching world works right now. So I thought, let's

982
00:47:13,038 --> 00:47:16,878
Speaker 4: find a six man rotation with the built in extra day,

983
00:47:17,478 --> 00:47:21,158
Speaker 4: which then should permit you to be more comfortable with

984
00:47:21,358 --> 00:47:24,958
Speaker 4: letting guys pitch more deeply in the games, just normally,

985
00:47:25,078 --> 00:47:27,598
Speaker 4: like you know, the third man, third time through. Hopefully

986
00:47:27,598 --> 00:47:29,358
Speaker 4: that would become a thing of the past. You teach

987
00:47:29,438 --> 00:47:31,958
Speaker 4: guys to get through that. Throwing one hundred and ten

988
00:47:32,038 --> 00:47:33,838
Speaker 4: hundred and fifteen pitches not a big deal. They always

989
00:47:33,878 --> 00:47:35,158
Speaker 4: have an extra day, and if there's a day off,

990
00:47:35,158 --> 00:47:37,718
Speaker 4: they might have an extra two days off. And then

991
00:47:37,758 --> 00:47:39,638
Speaker 4: with the ascension of you said of the Asian pitcher,

992
00:47:39,678 --> 00:47:42,878
Speaker 4: the Japanese pitcher, these guys are used to a different

993
00:47:42,998 --> 00:47:45,678
Speaker 4: training schedule. We had showhy at that particular moment, and

994
00:47:45,758 --> 00:47:47,718
Speaker 4: of course, like you mentioned, there's others, and especially the

995
00:47:47,798 --> 00:47:51,158
Speaker 4: Dodgers right now. So we went from four men back

996
00:47:51,198 --> 00:47:52,918
Speaker 4: in the day, which was the way to go, and

997
00:47:52,998 --> 00:47:55,598
Speaker 4: these guys through two hundred plus innings. It's up to

998
00:47:55,638 --> 00:47:58,838
Speaker 4: three hundred innings, sometimes with a bunch of strikeouts. And

999
00:47:58,878 --> 00:48:00,838
Speaker 4: then we got to the five man rotation. I remember

1000
00:48:00,958 --> 00:48:04,878
Speaker 4: every spring training people would agonize on the fifth starter

1001
00:48:05,078 --> 00:48:07,718
Speaker 4: who would that be, and sometimes the fourth and the

1002
00:48:07,798 --> 00:48:10,398
Speaker 4: fifth starter, just to try to find that was really

1003
00:48:10,438 --> 00:48:11,158
Speaker 4: a pain in the butt.

1004
00:48:11,838 --> 00:48:14,518
Speaker 3: So at some point is it easier to find six.

1005
00:48:14,558 --> 00:48:18,638
Speaker 4: Again because more rest in between, less opportunity to get injured,

1006
00:48:19,438 --> 00:48:22,958
Speaker 4: more comfort regarding having them throw more pitches than normal

1007
00:48:23,038 --> 00:48:24,438
Speaker 4: based on the fact that they're not going to be

1008
00:48:24,518 --> 00:48:26,398
Speaker 4: back on the mount as soon. I think that's what

1009
00:48:26,518 --> 00:48:30,718
Speaker 4: it's evolved into, and the Dodgers have really taken this

1010
00:48:30,838 --> 00:48:33,238
Speaker 4: to an art form. In order to do that, you

1011
00:48:33,358 --> 00:48:35,918
Speaker 4: have to have guys that you like. This happened with

1012
00:48:35,998 --> 00:48:36,438
Speaker 4: the Rays.

1013
00:48:36,758 --> 00:48:37,918
Speaker 3: Can't remember the exact year was.

1014
00:48:37,958 --> 00:48:39,998
Speaker 4: It might have been a World Series art or maybe

1015
00:48:40,118 --> 00:48:42,878
Speaker 4: right after that, but Alex Cobb was ascending. Who's one

1016
00:48:42,878 --> 00:48:44,958
Speaker 4: of my favorite all time pitchers that I've ever had.

1017
00:48:45,478 --> 00:48:49,358
Speaker 4: So Cobra was doing great, but we chose to pop

1018
00:48:49,438 --> 00:48:51,798
Speaker 4: him in as a sixth man post for All Star

1019
00:48:51,918 --> 00:48:54,198
Speaker 4: Break and it was great because Cobbra came in, we

1020
00:48:54,278 --> 00:48:56,798
Speaker 4: broke Cobber in, He's given a regular rotation or rest.

1021
00:48:56,798 --> 00:48:58,678
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, it was six. These guys felt

1022
00:48:58,718 --> 00:49:01,038
Speaker 4: great and it helped us all the way into September.

1023
00:49:01,158 --> 00:49:05,238
Speaker 4: So we actually worked a kind of a truncated six

1024
00:49:05,358 --> 00:49:07,358
Speaker 4: man back in the day based on the fact we

1025
00:49:07,398 --> 00:49:10,398
Speaker 4: had such a wonderful pitcher like him, that Maddie Moore.

1026
00:49:10,718 --> 00:49:11,878
Speaker 3: There's another example of that.

1027
00:49:12,158 --> 00:49:15,958
Speaker 4: Jeremy Hellixen came along, Jeff Neemon. I mean, really, I

1028
00:49:16,038 --> 00:49:19,478
Speaker 4: know Andrew's saying and it's it's probably true. But back

1029
00:49:19,558 --> 00:49:22,998
Speaker 4: in there, man, we also had like Jeff McGee, we

1030
00:49:23,078 --> 00:49:26,358
Speaker 4: had Davis. We had all these guys piled up, and

1031
00:49:26,438 --> 00:49:29,638
Speaker 4: then you had Shields, Kasmer, et cetera, David Price. It

1032
00:49:29,718 --> 00:49:32,678
Speaker 4: was really it's not unlike what he's talking about or

1033
00:49:32,758 --> 00:49:35,838
Speaker 4: seeing right now. So this is something we had done

1034
00:49:35,918 --> 00:49:38,238
Speaker 4: back then and it was very successful, and I think

1035
00:49:38,318 --> 00:49:42,678
Speaker 4: that's going into a season like this Padres Giants, I

1036
00:49:42,758 --> 00:49:44,998
Speaker 4: would have to believe I got to have six coming

1037
00:49:45,038 --> 00:49:47,918
Speaker 4: out of the out of camp and then really understanding

1038
00:49:47,958 --> 00:49:50,878
Speaker 4: how to utilize this just how they do that, I

1039
00:49:50,998 --> 00:49:53,718
Speaker 4: mean they being the Dodgers, that would be the way

1040
00:49:53,758 --> 00:49:57,918
Speaker 4: of the world today, based on injuries and discomfort with

1041
00:49:58,078 --> 00:50:00,158
Speaker 4: pitch numbers and the third time to the batting order.

1042
00:50:00,278 --> 00:50:02,478
Speaker 2: And by the way, that is such a medanism. It

1043
00:50:02,558 --> 00:50:04,638
Speaker 2: deserves to be on a T shirt. It's easier to

1044
00:50:04,718 --> 00:50:05,998
Speaker 2: find six than five.

1045
00:50:06,038 --> 00:50:09,438
Speaker 3: Right it is. I mean, I in today's world, it is.

1046
00:50:10,838 --> 00:50:12,678
Speaker 1: Well, we'll get to your thought of the day in

1047
00:50:12,758 --> 00:50:15,078
Speaker 1: a moment. But first I wanted to acknowledge we lost

1048
00:50:15,118 --> 00:50:18,638
Speaker 1: a great actor. Yeah, right, did you see Robert Wall

1049
00:50:18,758 --> 00:50:21,838
Speaker 1: passed away? How about this Joe in nineteen fifty five

1050
00:50:22,558 --> 00:50:25,358
Speaker 1: at the Neighborhood Playhouse, an acting school in New York.

1051
00:50:26,678 --> 00:50:28,718
Speaker 1: He was there in nineteen fifty five in New York,

1052
00:50:29,318 --> 00:50:33,238
Speaker 1: as were Dustin Hoffman and Gene Hackman. How about that

1053
00:50:34,038 --> 00:50:37,598
Speaker 1: Dustin Hoffman, Gene Hackman, Robert Duvall in the same essentially

1054
00:50:37,758 --> 00:50:40,158
Speaker 1: class at an acting school in New York.

1055
00:50:40,478 --> 00:50:42,478
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean did he ended up being a roommate

1056
00:50:42,558 --> 00:50:44,518
Speaker 4: with was with Hoffman or Paccino? He was in roommate

1057
00:50:44,598 --> 00:50:47,158
Speaker 4: with somebody eventually? I think I read about that today too.

1058
00:50:48,918 --> 00:50:51,038
Speaker 4: He's in arguably some of the best movies ever made.

1059
00:50:51,038 --> 00:50:55,318
Speaker 4: I mean The Godfather, Tom Hagen there and then Apocalypse.

1060
00:50:55,398 --> 00:50:57,438
Speaker 4: Now he loves the smell of napalm in the morning

1061
00:50:57,718 --> 00:50:59,918
Speaker 4: as he's kneeling there with no shirt on, or like

1062
00:50:59,998 --> 00:51:03,438
Speaker 4: in the Catcher's Squat. He's had some of the greatest

1063
00:51:03,518 --> 00:51:06,278
Speaker 4: moments and lines, and one of my favorites he played

1064
00:51:06,518 --> 00:51:09,758
Speaker 4: in the great Santini Pat Conroy's book. I mean, yes that,

1065
00:51:10,198 --> 00:51:12,118
Speaker 4: I mean I've often talked about this. I just did

1066
00:51:12,118 --> 00:51:13,958
Speaker 4: a small gig down here at the Saint Pete Country

1067
00:51:13,998 --> 00:51:19,198
Speaker 4: Club and whatever reason I ventured into Pat conroy territory

1068
00:51:19,278 --> 00:51:21,758
Speaker 4: and how he's my favorite author of all time. And

1069
00:51:21,838 --> 00:51:24,638
Speaker 4: then of course Tom Berducci. But you know, the character

1070
00:51:25,038 --> 00:51:29,518
Speaker 4: of the bull in that particular book and movie is spectacular.

1071
00:51:29,598 --> 00:51:30,718
Speaker 3: He did a great job with that.

1072
00:51:30,878 --> 00:51:33,918
Speaker 4: So yes, it's a great loss ninety five or ninety

1073
00:51:33,958 --> 00:51:36,998
Speaker 4: six whatever, But my god, a very simple approach to

1074
00:51:37,078 --> 00:51:37,478
Speaker 4: what he did.

1075
00:51:37,798 --> 00:51:40,558
Speaker 3: He was like, I think what we saw on the

1076
00:51:40,598 --> 00:51:42,118
Speaker 3: screen is actually who he was. I don't think he

1077
00:51:42,198 --> 00:51:43,278
Speaker 3: was really acting. This guy.

1078
00:51:43,598 --> 00:51:44,998
Speaker 2: Yeah, more to range.

1079
00:51:45,038 --> 00:51:48,518
Speaker 1: I mean, he can play anything and just and just

1080
00:51:48,958 --> 00:51:51,158
Speaker 1: bring it to an incredible height.

1081
00:51:51,358 --> 00:51:53,118
Speaker 2: I mean, this is what he once said.

1082
00:51:53,118 --> 00:51:54,918
Speaker 1: I just want to run this by you, Joe, because

1083
00:51:54,918 --> 00:51:58,158
Speaker 1: he he was not your traditional Hollywood leading man, right,

1084
00:51:58,558 --> 00:52:00,718
Speaker 1: but it was like he had a leading man's career

1085
00:52:00,878 --> 00:52:02,398
Speaker 1: when you think about the roles that he had, as

1086
00:52:02,438 --> 00:52:05,958
Speaker 1: you mentioned, the films are just unforg gettable, and he

1087
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Speaker 1: was an unforgettable actor.

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Speaker 2: He said.

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Speaker 1: Somebody once said that the best life of the world

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Speaker 1: is the life of a second leading man. You travel,

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Speaker 1: you get a per diem, and you probably got a

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Speaker 1: better part anyway, And you don't have.

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Speaker 2: The weight of the entire movie on your shoulders. I

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Speaker 2: wonder if he really believed that he's.

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Speaker 3: A backup quarterback.

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Speaker 4: He probably loved all those backup quarterback commercials when it

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00:52:31,758 --> 00:52:33,958
Speaker 4: was a progressive whatever's going on these days and they

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Speaker 4: step in there and they nurture the child. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: mean throw of the backup QB, the backup leading man.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what he was. And there's no question about that.

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Speaker 3: But he did.

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Speaker 4: He He was a force multiplier. He always added to

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Speaker 4: everything that he did. And never got a chance to

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Speaker 4: meet him, but always a big fan and The Godfather.

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Speaker 4: Anybody ever asked what is your favorite movie of all time?

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Speaker 3: Would be that.

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Speaker 4: And I got to meet mister Coppola in my office

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Speaker 4: with his wife Eleanor in Chicago one time, and I

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00:53:02,878 --> 00:53:05,878
Speaker 4: actually was standing there having a conversation with Francis port

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Speaker 4: Copeland his wife Eleanor.

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Speaker 3: You're thinking to yourself, how does this happen?

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Speaker 4: Kid from Eleventh Street, you know, played for Unuko Heeslton

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Speaker 4: High School Mountain here and I'm standing here with the

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Speaker 4: dude that put together The Godfather and another passing Jesse Jackson.

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00:53:22,918 --> 00:53:25,358
Speaker 4: Just happened Also and Jesse used to come down and

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Speaker 4: talk to me at Wrigley. He'd be in the ballpark,

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Speaker 4: he'd come down by the dugout. We'd have like a

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Speaker 4: fifteen to twenty minute conversation. And again I'm standing there. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I just think a Chicago fan, I might. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: like you got to like, really, you know this, whether

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00:53:41,838 --> 00:53:42,398
Speaker 4: you agree with the.

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Speaker 3: Political stance or not.

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Speaker 4: Very interesting guy. And he was there when doctor King

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Speaker 4: was shot. I mean this is like, you know, you

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Speaker 4: talk about history, so that being the manager of the

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00:53:53,958 --> 00:53:57,078
Speaker 4: Cubs had its other other worldly perks that it really

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00:53:57,478 --> 00:53:59,038
Speaker 4: was fortunate to be able to take part in.

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Speaker 1: Well, we enjoy the perks that you bring him to

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Speaker 1: us in terms of your thoughts of the day.

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Speaker 2: What do you got for us today, Joe?

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Speaker 4: I saw a clip of John Schneider with his opening

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Speaker 4: remarks to his players, which you know, that's today's world

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Speaker 4: having that video, and I'd never really wanted that. I

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Speaker 4: remember when I was the manager of the two thousand

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00:54:18,038 --> 00:54:20,118
Speaker 4: and nine All Star team in Saint Louis, they wanted

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00:54:20,158 --> 00:54:21,438
Speaker 4: to come in while I was addressing the team.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want him to do that. There's certain things

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00:54:24,318 --> 00:54:27,158
Speaker 3: that I just think I don't know, it's an overreach

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00:54:27,198 --> 00:54:32,358
Speaker 3: and we're just getting too too much, too deeply involved.

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00:54:32,398 --> 00:54:35,638
Speaker 3: I maybe some fans would disagree with me, but I

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00:54:35,718 --> 00:54:36,878
Speaker 3: mean it's just so personal.

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00:54:37,118 --> 00:54:40,038
Speaker 4: Anyhow, it led me to this, the opening statement you

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00:54:40,118 --> 00:54:43,078
Speaker 4: have with your team, and how much I really took

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00:54:43,158 --> 00:54:46,038
Speaker 4: that to heart, trying to set the standard or the

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00:54:46,118 --> 00:54:48,758
Speaker 4: goal or the dialogue or the narrative for the season.

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Speaker 4: And so I just came up with two today because

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00:54:51,438 --> 00:54:54,798
Speaker 4: they both I think held true to me. So when

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Speaker 4: you do that Hemingway's one true sentence, that's not it.

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00:54:58,198 --> 00:55:00,678
Speaker 4: But Hemingway, as he said at the Typewriters, he's writing

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Speaker 4: his new novel and sometimes he gets stuck. His thought

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00:55:03,638 --> 00:55:06,158
Speaker 4: to him self was right, one true sentence, the truest

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Speaker 4: sentence that I know that everything would become on lodge

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00:55:09,198 --> 00:55:11,598
Speaker 4: at that point, which I really I utilize at times

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00:55:11,638 --> 00:55:14,918
Speaker 4: even to today. But speak your heart. They don't understand.

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00:55:15,318 --> 00:55:18,318
Speaker 4: The message was never meant for them anyway, So you're

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Speaker 4: just really trying. There's always gonna be My point was,

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Speaker 4: there's always gonna be some in the in the audience

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Speaker 4: here that I mean just don't get it, don't care,

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00:55:26,238 --> 00:55:29,478
Speaker 4: don't understand. But you got to get to the majority somehow,

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Speaker 4: and then this way the dovetails into it. Honestly, if

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Speaker 4: everyone likes what you but you say if every if

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Speaker 4: everyone likes what you say, something is wrong with your message.

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Speaker 3: And that's what you have to understand too. There's gonna

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Speaker 3: be dissenters.

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Speaker 4: Always if you always, and I think as a humans

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Speaker 4: we always focus on the dissenters and not the acceptors,

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Speaker 4: right and and and the dissenters are gonna be away.

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Speaker 4: That's gonna be like the largest minority ever. But the

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Speaker 4: squeaky wheel gets the most grease. And sometimes we we

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Speaker 4: give that we apply too much attention to the to

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Speaker 4: this we wheels. And I'm here to say, don't do that.

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Speaker 4: You know, right, the one true sentence speak, the one

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Speaker 4: true sentence. This is what you're paid to do. And

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Speaker 4: I think that's watching John today, I think that's what

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Speaker 4: he was doing. So that's that was always this time

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Speaker 4: of the year meant to me. And last point, I

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00:56:20,878 --> 00:56:24,638
Speaker 4: always had Kenny Rivisa. Kenny's no longer with this, but

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Speaker 4: I would always run it by Kenny what the message

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00:56:26,958 --> 00:56:29,558
Speaker 4: was for the year. I wanted his honest opinion, and

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Speaker 4: then he would we would go to Long Beach State

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Speaker 4: and go to blair Field and I would address a

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Speaker 4: lot the dirt bags. I went to his class at

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Speaker 4: cal State Fullerton with one of his classes, and I

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00:56:39,358 --> 00:56:41,918
Speaker 4: would run it by the class or the group, just

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Speaker 4: like a little practice session.

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Speaker 3: Was that important to me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the great moments. I think you

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Speaker 2: know this well, Joe.

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Speaker 1: There's eight managers who are new to their teams this year,

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Speaker 1: and that first time you addressed the group, the entire group,

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00:56:55,638 --> 00:56:57,758
Speaker 1: not just the pitchers and the catchers, but full squad

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Speaker 1: work out. That's just an unforgettable moment, especially guys who

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Speaker 1: are doing it for the first time ever. And a

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Speaker 1: lot of that happening around Arizona and Florida this week.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you can relate to that.

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Speaker 3: Joe's staunting. It's daunting. I thought it was.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I remember the first one was down at

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Speaker 4: Saint Pete at al lank Field, which is absolute. I

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Speaker 4: think it's one of the cathedrals in baseball as far

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Speaker 4: as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 3: It's right now. It's a soccer field, I think.

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Speaker 4: But actually hitchhike to go see the Mets and the

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Speaker 4: Cardinals there in nineteen seventy three when I was down

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Speaker 4: here at Lafayette.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was that important to me to do

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00:57:32,998 --> 00:57:33,838
Speaker 3: it at that field.

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Speaker 4: But I'm here to tell you man, I'd lay awake

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Speaker 4: and and I'd go to the ballpark all kind of

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00:57:38,158 --> 00:57:42,438
Speaker 4: nervous and stuff. And you do have this, right, Am

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Speaker 4: I going to really be able to pull this off

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Speaker 4: the way I want to? And the best feeling is

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Speaker 4: after you get done with something like this, that you

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00:57:49,798 --> 00:57:52,718
Speaker 4: could say to yourself, I didn't forget anything. I included

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Speaker 4: everything I wanted to say, and I said it the

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Speaker 4: way I wanted to.

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Speaker 3: That if you could walk away from that moment like that,

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Speaker 3: that's pretty.

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Speaker 2: Cool, awesome stuff. Joe, We'll see you next time on

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Speaker 2: the Book of Joe.

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Speaker 3: Thanks brother, to see you soon.

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