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Speaker 3: Everyone, Emily A Badi Here, You are listening to another

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Speaker 3: episode of Hurdle, a wellness focus podcast where I talk

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Speaker 3: to inspirational people about everything from their highest ties and

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Speaker 3: toughest moments to essential tips on how to live a healthier, happier,

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Speaker 3: more motivated life. We all go through our fair share

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Speaker 3: of hurdles. My goal through these discussions is to empower

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Speaker 2: Sixty one with the one the Only Elle Duncan.

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Speaker 3: She is a sportscaster hosting SportsCenter five days.

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Speaker 3: to your TVs on June thirtieth on Disney Plus Now.

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Speaker 3: We chat all about vibe check and what we can

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Speaker 3: I appreciate her vulnerability sharing the low lows and the

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Speaker 3: Elle's honesty in this episode is unrivaled. She has worked

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Speaker 3: Let's get it's a hurdling.

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Speaker 2: Today, I am.

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Speaker 3: Sitting down with Elle Duncan. She is an anchor for

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Speaker 1: For having me super pumped. Pardon the hotel room in

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Speaker 1: that's all good, It's all okay. That is up for debate.

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Speaker 1: Whether I know what I'm talking about, whether I'm great

435
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,160
Speaker 1: at TV, that's fine. That's all opinion based. What is

436
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: not opinion based at all is how I show up

437
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 1: my professionalism, my ability to work with the team, the

438
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 1: real work that I've put in reputationally to make sure

439
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: that even if everyone on social media who do not

440
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: know me think one thing, the people that work with

441
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,719
Speaker 1: me every day, they know who I am. They know

442
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Speaker 1: what it's like working with me. And when I saw that,

443
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what solidified like you don't

444
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: know about me. If you think I am self absorbed

445
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: and a nightmare to work with, that is the opposite

446
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 1: of what I would say ninety five percent of the

447
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: people that have ever worked. I'm not perfect. I have

448
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: made mistakes, I have not eaten in a while. I

449
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: can be real grumpy on that desk. I get all

450
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: of that. But this idea that someone was attacking my

451
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: professional reputation, it really pissed me off, and I was like,

452
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm all set because again I have

453
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm twenty years in this game, and I have made

454
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: sure that I try my absolute best in every situation

455
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 1: with every group that I've ever worked with, and there's

456
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 1: been a million, I've had one hundred million jobs that

457
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 1: at the very least they can never say that I

458
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 1: was not on time, professional and good to work with

459
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 1: and like that to me is when I was like,

460
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: this is none of this matters. Like you can do

461
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 1: everything in the world to build up who you are,

462
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: and one little thing, one experience can kind of change

463
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: that in everyone's minds. And so I think it was that.

464
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: And then actually years ago, which is really actually Emily

465
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: informed a lot of like the grace that I give

466
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: using that word again other people I had just found

467
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: I was doing radio in Atlanta. I had just found

468
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: out that my grandfather was diagnosed with cancer. Literally I'm

469
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: walking into this event. My dad called me and said

470
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: grandpa has cancer. And I was, as you can imagine,

471
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: very emotional. And this woman comes running up to me

472
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: with her daughter and she's like, oh my gosh, ell,

473
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: we're such big fans. Can you take a picture with

474
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: my daughter, and I am holding back a mountain of tears,

475
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm so sorry, can you just

476
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: please give me a minute. I need to go to

477
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: the bathroom. And I run off to the bathroom and

478
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: I gathered myself and I went on and I did

479
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: this event that I had to do. But that woman

480
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: emailed my boss and was like, we were such big

481
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: fans of Elle, and she was so rude to us.

482
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: She was horrible to my daughter, like she is so fake,

483
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: she is nothing like how she seen. She seems like

484
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: this like down to earth around the way girl, She's

485
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: none of those things. And it also really underscored for

486
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: me Emily that, like, again, one bad moment and people

487
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: will characterize you as this thing that you are not.

488
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: And so with that, I have given myself and allowed

489
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: myself grace to asay this whole plight of yours. To

490
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: make sure no one ever dislikes you is just impossible,

491
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: and also to recognize that people have bad days and

492
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: bad moments and you don't know what's happening in people's

493
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: lives and to just give them some grace. Now, if

494
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: you have two, three, four interactions with people and they're

495
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: all negative, maybe you can make an assumption about someone,

496
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: and I think it's okay, Like you can make a

497
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: pretty you can make a pretty you know, solid assessment

498
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: of someone. But yeah, those two moments I think in

499
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: my life have really sort of showed me that, like,

500
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: ultimately all that matters is the people that you know

501
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: and trust and love you, because they will hold you

502
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: accountable and they will tell you when you're wrong, and

503
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 1: they will tell you when you steering from the mission,

504
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: and like you can go to them because they know

505
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: your heart and they know who you are. And I

506
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: don't think it's because you want to surround yourself with

507
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: yes men. Rather, you want to surround yourself with people

508
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: who have a vested interest in making sure that you

509
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: are living up to the potential that you have in

510
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: yourself and that they see.

511
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: To preach preach. I mean, you have to show up

512
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: a lot on hard days.

513
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: And I'm not just talking about hard days when it

514
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 3: comes to stuff going on in the news that we're

515
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 3: all consuming, but hard days personally every day.

516
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: Get into that desk and turning it on.

517
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 3: Have there been moments where it feels impossible for you

518
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 3: to turn it on? And when you do, despite that

519
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: impossible feeling. Do you find that your presence on those

520
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: days shows up differently?

521
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, compartmentalization has been really really key for me.

522
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: I am a firm believer that anything that you have

523
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: happening in your life, it's very hard sometimes for that

524
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 1: not to seep through. But when I go to my job, like,

525
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: it is not anybody else's fault. If I'm dealing with things,

526
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: if I've got tough things going on mentally, if there's

527
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: things in my life that are seemingly unraveling, if I

528
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: had to have an emergency session with my therapist, everyone's

529
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: going through things. Ultimately, when we show up to work, like,

530
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: the best that I can do is process, compartmentalize. Put

531
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: that to the side.

532
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, understandable.

533
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: I need for us for a moment to wrap about

534
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: the Boston chapter. You've spoken out about it being a

535
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 3: pretty tough part of your story taking that job. Talk

536
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: to me about the challenges that went hand in hand

537
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: being on air in Boston.

538
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, really it was really, really, really tough. I got

539
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: warned a lot, like you're from Atlanta, have you ever

540
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: been to Boston? Are you sure you want to go there? Like?

541
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: Do you know about their reputation? But again, I don't

542
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: like just taking other people's words for it. I'm like, oh,

543
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: but you never know, that could have just been your experience,

544
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: Like my experience could be very different. It was really

545
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: really tough for the first time I was you know,

546
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: I went from living in a penthouse in Atlanta, like

547
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: I said, like that was my city. I was from there,

548
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: like living my best life. I moved to Boston, where

549
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: it's like triple as expensive as Atlanta. I was living

550
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: in a multi basement house in the basement with spiders,

551
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: and because I couldn't really afford to live in Boston proper,

552
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: I was living in a blue collar town in Boston,

553
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: and it was incredibly difficult. Yeah, it was tough. The microaggressions,

554
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: the macroaggressions, just the lack of warmth. You know, I'm Southern,

555
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: so like you don't meet a stranger. That was really

556
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: off putting to me. Professionally, I was sort of balancing

557
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: These people gave me my first opportunity to do sports

558
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: television full time, and I was so grateful for that,

559
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: but I also was sort of carrying the weight of like,

560
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: but I wish it was anywhere else because it was

561
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: tough for me. Like it was my then boyfriend and

562
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: fiance now husband at the time really really struggled there too,

563
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: And I think that was the hardest part, was the guilt.

564
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 1: I moved him to Boston to be with me. He

565
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: was very comfortable and happy in Atlanta, where his family was,

566
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: where his friends were, He's also from there. And then

567
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: I threw him into this adventure with me where he

568
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: would leave the house and you know, have Hyle Hitler

569
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: thrown at him, or have you know some really overt

570
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: microaggressions what are you doing here? Boy? Like he started

571
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: to change. I saw this like darkness in him when

572
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: he would leave the house. It was almost like he

573
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: was putting on his defenses, like he was getting ready

574
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: for war. Every time we walked out of the house,

575
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: he was just waiting on somebody to say something. And

576
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: it really sucked because it was like, this is I

577
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: can handle this, because this is part of my design

578
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: to end up at ESPN. You know, I was very

579
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: intentional about going to Boston. It's the best sports city

580
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: in the world. The acumens through the roof. If you

581
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: can hang in Boston, you can hang anywhere. I knew

582
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: all of that going in, and like that was the directive.

583
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: But to drag someone that I loved into this adventure

584
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: where he was absent, miserable just felt really, really tough,

585
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: and so I made a tough decision that at the

586
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: end of my contract, which was a two year deal,

587
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: I was going to leave no matter what. I was

588
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: going to leave. I didn't have a job, but I

589
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: was like, I guess I'll just go back to Atlanta

590
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: and we'll figure it out from there. Because it was

591
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: the first time in my life where I chose my

592
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: personal life over my professional life. So I'm going to

593
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: sacrifice my professional life for something in my personal life.

594
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: I love this man. I want to spend my life

595
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: with him, and he made this sacrifice for me and

596
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: he hates it here and so I got it. He

597
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: never asked me to, but I wanted to do that

598
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: for him. And I got really lucky in that the universe,

599
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, rewarded me with this opportunity to audition with

600
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: ESPN simply by saying like, I'm not going to come back.

601
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: And it was interesting because my boss at the time

602
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,239
Speaker 1: in Boston looked at me and was like, as a

603
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: black woman in broadcasting, opportunities for you are already so rare,

604
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: Are you sure you want to give this one up?

605
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: And what he didn't know at the time was that

606
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: I already had the job ESPN. So I just, you know,

607
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: looked at him and I said, I think I'm gonna

608
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: take my chances like I think I'm gonna I'm gonna

609
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: try and be bold and unafraid and do what is

610
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: calling me, which is leaving here. But it was it

611
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: was really really tough, and you know, Boston's been upset

612
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: with me. I've talked about this a lot, like I

613
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: think as a whole. You know, my relationship with Boston

614
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: is very complicated and complex because, like I said, they

615
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: gave me my first opportunities and there is zero chance

616
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm working at ESPN if they don't give me a shot.

617
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: I had some great moments and made some great friends there,

618
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: but it is there is a reason that people talk

619
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: about the reputation of that place, and I would just say,

620
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: from my vantage, it is not undeserved.

621
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you.

622
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: I mean, born and raised in Connecticut, went to Yukon,

623
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: so familiar with your territory.

624
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: Uh, what in a.

625
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 3: Special moment for you when you said to yourself this

626
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 3: is what's right for me, And all of the doors

627
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: opened for you when you garner that level of self

628
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: belief and that level of courage, right because staying in

629
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: that place and like adopting that scarcity mindset in the

630
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: long term, you saw that that didn't serve you before,

631
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: so you certainly knew that it wasn't going to serve

632
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: you in the future.

633
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: Exactly. I wasn't falling for it. I was like, no, no, no, no, no,

634
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: You're not going to do that same thing that the

635
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: other place did to me, which was make me believe

636
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: that no one else will ever want me. I know

637
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: that to not be true. I learned that lesson, and

638
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and even if it looks a

639
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: little different than what I thought that it would, I

640
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: have enough faith in myself and the work that I

641
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: do and how I show up that like opportunities will

642
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: open for me. Fortune favors the bold, and there's a

643
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: reason that people say that, and so I wanted to

644
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: try and take that risk. And I just knew that

645
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: anywhere but here, and that was my mentality, like I

646
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: will humble myself and go take another job somewhere else.

647
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: I'll go to Kalamazoo. I don't care. I just know

648
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: this is not serving me or my family, and I'm

649
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: gonna have to make that choice for my family. And

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Speaker 3: let's get back to it. I would imagine that when

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Speaker 3: it came time for you to have your first child,

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Speaker 3: there was probably a fair amount of uncertainty that came

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Speaker 3: hand in hand with that, having worked so diligently to

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Speaker 3: build yourself a foundation for this career that you were

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Speaker 3: so excited about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, ma'am.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was so funny to me my cousin when I

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Speaker 1: got pregnant. I was working at ESPN. I got pregnant

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Speaker 1: with my first My cousin hit me up and he's like,

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Speaker 1: I've figured out this ESPN thing. You guys get to ESPN,

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Speaker 1: you start making money, and then you go, all right,

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Speaker 1: now I can have some kids. I'm like, Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: not exactly how it worked, but yeah, I do I

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Speaker 1: think it's one of those situations. I mean, I come

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Speaker 1: from a place where I'm from Atlanta, but I'm from

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Speaker 1: the Burbs. And I was joking with someone the other day, Emily,

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Speaker 1: that a lot of the people that I graduated from

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Speaker 1: high school from not only are their kids graduating college,

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Speaker 1: like some of them have grandkids and we're forty two

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Speaker 1: years old, and I'm like, okay. And conversely, I have

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Speaker 1: a four year old, and so I kind of always

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Speaker 1: knew I wanted to be an older mom. I knew

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to really hyper focus on career, try

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Speaker 1: to put myself in a position where I could, you know,

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Speaker 1: have these kids and have more time and more stability

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Speaker 1: and be a little bit farther in my career. What

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Speaker 1: I did not anticipate is that from the opposite of

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Speaker 1: the scarcity mindset is that more opportunities would continue to come,

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Speaker 1: and that navigating this work life balance saying, I guess

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Speaker 1: in my mind somewhere I thought, like, I'll get to ESPN,

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Speaker 1: I'll have these kids, I'll be around. But the truth is,

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Speaker 1: because I've worked really hard and because I'm very fortunate,

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Speaker 1: I've had even more opportunities and the opportunities keep going,

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Speaker 1: and that's become more difficult than ever. When they're babies,

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00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: it's so easy to leave, like all they want, like

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Speaker 1: they're a hoe for whoever has a bottle. They don't care, right,

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Speaker 1: But as they become older and more aware, they recognize

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00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: that you're not there. They recognize when they don't see

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Speaker 1: you out in the audience at the school play, you

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00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: know they don't And that has been difficult for me,

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Speaker 1: is going, wow, what if it never does slow down?

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Speaker 1: Like what if I never do have that moment of

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Speaker 1: feeling like I have pure work life balance? And that's

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Speaker 1: been I think maybe the biggest misnomer that I try

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Speaker 1: to talk to these women about who are thinking about planning,

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Speaker 1: family planning and starting a family is that, like, don't

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Speaker 1: do all of this based on some preconceived notion that

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Speaker 1: at some day the clouds will part and you'll have

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Speaker 1: this perfect thing laid out for you of balance. That's

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Speaker 1: not at all how this works. Like you're going to

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Speaker 1: have to reshift, refocus, realign, and also just recognize that

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Speaker 1: you're going to have to make sacrifices. There is no

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Speaker 1: such thing as work life balance. I stand firm on that,

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Speaker 1: Like there is not. There is just figuring out what

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Speaker 1: needs the most attention that day, that week, that month,

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Speaker 1: that year, and serving that the best that you can

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Speaker 1: and recognizing that other things are going to fall to

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Speaker 1: the wayside. It just is what it is. You need

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Speaker 1: to be intentional about your partnership and having a great

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Speaker 1: partner that helps you pick up the slack that doesn't

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Speaker 1: make you feel guilty about it, because ultimately that's what

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00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: kids are born to do. Make you feel guilty and

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Speaker 1: bad about things.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: I have not at all solved that issue, but I

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Speaker 1: have definitely been kinder to myself and recognizing that all

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Speaker 1: the things I said I wanted to be as a

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Speaker 1: mother are things I said before I had children, and

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Speaker 1: then I had kids, and you're hit with reality and

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Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, no, I can't be the mom that

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Speaker 1: shows up to school every single day with like Pinterest

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Speaker 1: pancakes and craft ideas, and like that's just not only

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Speaker 1: can I not do that because of my schedule, I

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Speaker 1: don't actually think that particularly interests me. And we're doing

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Speaker 1: so much comparing with social media that we like see

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Speaker 1: these moms seemingly like, you know, there's like an influencer

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Speaker 1: right now who's known for like she makes everything fresh,

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Speaker 1: so instead of just a peanut butter and jelly sandwich

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Speaker 1: with like smuckers and jiff, Like, she's making fresh peanut

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Speaker 1: butter and she's making jelly and she's canning at herself,

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Speaker 1: and she probably blew the glass that the jelly is in.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like that shit is not me, and that's okay,

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Speaker 1: And that is that is not all mothering and parenting is,

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Speaker 1: which is just always having time and always I'm teaching

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Speaker 1: my kids sacrifice. I'm teaching my kids that in order

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Speaker 1: to have all of these things seemingly that you want

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00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: in life, sometimes you have to sacrifice. And unfortunately that

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00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: means sometimes they sacrifice time with their mother. But I

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Speaker 1: hope that that's just as impactful as a mom that

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Speaker 1: is at everything can pick them up from everything. Like

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Speaker 1: I hope that I'm teaching them like that being a

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Speaker 1: parent is multilayered and it looks like a lot of

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Speaker 1: different things.

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Speaker 3: You're modeling a lot of really great behavior for them

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Speaker 3: beyond this concept of sacrifice. I giggled when you said

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Speaker 3: that because of that, I've worked very hard and I

816
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Speaker 3: was very fortunate. I'm like zero in dial in on

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Speaker 3: the Because I've worked very hard is why you're getting

818
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Speaker 3: the opportunities that you got to learn from ESPN that

819
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Speaker 3: they wanted you to move to the six pm slot

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Speaker 3: the day before you take your maternity leave. That doesn't

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Speaker 3: happen because you're fortunate. It happens because you're good at

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Speaker 3: what you do. They see your value and they want

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Speaker 3: you to know that you have not just a home

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Speaker 3: at ESPN when you're back from that moment, but you

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Speaker 3: have the slot when you're back from that moment.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie to you, Emily. That was

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Speaker 1: really that was amazing, especially in a world where we

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Speaker 1: really concern ourselves with like will my value be diminished?

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Speaker 1: Will they you know, will they sort of weed me out?

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Speaker 1: Will they think that like, I'm going to be too

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Speaker 1: focused on this. And so for them to say to

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Speaker 1: your point, like, not only are you value here, but

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Speaker 1: we're going to give you a promotion when you come

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Speaker 1: back from maternity leave, Like we don't think this is

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Speaker 1: a deterrent in any kind of way. We don't want

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Speaker 1: to punish you. In fact, we want to promote you.

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Speaker 1: It felt great, I mean, you know, it was. It

838
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: was a lot I was. I literally got the call

839
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Speaker 1: like thirteen hours before I was going in for my

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Speaker 1: Plan C section, So I'm doing like calls with pr

841
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Speaker 1: and stuff and getting quotes for the announcement. But it

842
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: was really good to know that I had that and

843
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Speaker 1: then my son was born with some challenges, and so

844
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Speaker 1: to be able to call them and say, like, I

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Speaker 1: know you had plans for me to come back and

846
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Speaker 1: do this big you know, premiere show as me being

847
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Speaker 1: a member, but like we're going to have to push

848
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Speaker 1: that because my son needs me, and like that has

849
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: to be and they couldn't have been more. They were like,

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Speaker 1: take all the time you need. It was a great

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Speaker 1: thing to give to me, but also to give, I

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00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: think to other women at the company and other women

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00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: who are all so battling some of the ideology beyond

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Speaker 1: you're going to be treated differently, unfairly, You're going to

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00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: be treated as if none of this is important to

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Speaker 1: you anymore once you have kids. And so if I

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Speaker 1: can in any way put some mom's minds at ease

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Speaker 1: by saying, like there are companies that value you enough

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Speaker 1: to not only say you're going to be fine, We're

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Speaker 1: going to preserve your job, but we're also going to

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Speaker 1: promote you as well, and having They don't do that

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Speaker 1: to men, you know, and men don't think that way either,

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Speaker 1: Like men don't go I'm having this kid in three months.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they're going to think I'm going to

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00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: lack ambition. I no longer want to work anymore. They

866
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: don't have the benefit of even taking themselves there, but

867
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: women do. And so it was great to just have

868
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: that nod from ESPN.

869
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

870
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: And so in the year since then, you've definitely diversified

871
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 3: the way that you show up at ESPN, and especially

872
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 3: now with the boom that we're seeing within women's sports

873
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: with your Big three. How does it feel for you

874
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: now to have this seat at the table where you

875
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 3: really get this opportunity to dial in and promote the

876
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: greatness that is women in sport.

877
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: It's so cool, It's so it's so cool to like

878
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: to be. I was an athlete growing up. I played

879
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: softball my whole life, and I played softball with the

880
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: understanding that there was no future for me in softball,

881
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: right Like, at best it could get me through college

882
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: and maybe get college paid for, but then that would

883
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: be the end of my career. I love so much

884
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: that we live in a time that I get to

885
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: chronicle what's happening, but that we live in a time

886
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: where like young girls playing softball can see a future

887
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: in softball, Young girls playing you know, college basketball, like

888
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: have a real future in this country playing in the WNBA.

889
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: Volleyball players have a real future in volleyball. Like, I

890
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: think it's been really cool to be a part of

891
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: something that has been bubbling at the surface for a

892
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: long time. Because let's be clear, like it's not that

893
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: the women got more talented or more anything. It's just

894
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: that the platforms have gotten bigger, the investments have gotten bigger,

895
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: and so we're sort of experiencing the fruits of labor

896
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: from twenty thirty years ago. But to be a part

897
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: of something instead of joining something that's already right, Like

898
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: you can go cover football, but like like football is football,

899
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: and you're just kind of jumping on a rocket ship

900
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: already to be able to ground level watch and experience

901
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: something as it is exploding. And that's not just women's basketball.

902
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean we're seeing gymnastics over indexing and ratings, We're

903
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: seeing softball over indeck. We had our first million dollar

904
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: INIL deal for a softball player, like it's not I mean,

905
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: it's nuts. Like I know women that tried to play

906
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: softball professionally that I played with growing up, and they

907
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: were making thirty five dollars a game, fifty dollars a

908
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: game riding a bus eight nine hours. And now you

909
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: have a nineteen year old making a million dollars to

910
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: play college softball Like it is. It's remarkable, and more importantly,

911
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: it is such an honor to get to help share

912
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: the stories of these young women who are so remarkable,

913
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: who are balancing things that even female athletes of the

914
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: past never had to balance, between social media and IL deals,

915
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: their brands, their students, their athletes, Like they are carrying

916
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: so much on their shoulders, and to watch how they

917
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: do it is so inspiring, even though they're like twenty

918
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: five years younger than me. It's been great, and I

919
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: get to do it with women that I revere that

920
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: I love, that are friends Dre and Janet and all

921
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: the women that we work with in that space. It is,

922
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: you know, in a male dominated space when you can

923
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: find these pockets where you're just surrounded by successful, smart

924
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: women who amplify each other who root for each other,

925
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: when you can pour cold water all over that bullshit

926
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: idea that women are catty and tear each other down,

927
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: Like I live it every day. I work with women

928
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: every day who do nothing but pour into me and

929
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: help me. And it's been incredibly fulfilling to be able

930
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: to experience that.

931
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were so many years months that you didn't

932
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 3: have that opportunity, that you weren't at the table with

933
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: people that looked like you, with people that you now

934
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: consider friends. When you think about the future of both

935
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: sports casting and really you know, creators as it comes

936
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 3: to the world of women in sport, what do you

937
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: see coming down the pipe?

938
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: Man, I just see more of like everything. And I

939
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: know that sounds like a really generic answer, but I

940
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: think it's more of an embracing of if there's one

941
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: thing people ask me this like sort of legacy question

942
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: a lot, like what's something that you hope that you

943
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: can leave for you know, younger women that want to

944
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: do this or want to be involved in this. And

945
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: it's that like the same way that Robin Roberts represented

946
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: visibility for me a path to progress. It was like, Okay,

947
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: there is a black woman that is doing this. I

948
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 1: can do that because I can see that. What I'm

949
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: hoping is that I can really empower young women, women

950
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: my age broadcasters, to give their opinion, to be unapologetically themselves,

951
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: to be unafraid. I think that women in sports a

952
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: lot of times we're very careful and cautious about how

953
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: we talk about things, knowing that ultimately we're going to

954
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: be hit with the lego do you know you never

955
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: play you didn't play football, you know what do you know?

956
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: And like that has somehow impacted us in many ways

957
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: in terms of like what we talk about topics. Sometimes

958
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: women always lean on sort of the crutch of numbers, right,

959
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: because you can't argue numbers, so they'll go really stat heavy.

960
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: I hope that if nothing else, I empower women to

961
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: be themselves, to speak their mind, to say how they feel,

962
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: and to be completely unafraid at what happens after that.

963
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: So long as you're not being inflammatory for the sake

964
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: of being inflammatory, so long as you mean it, so

965
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: long as it's coming from a place of preparation and

966
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: expertise and knowledge, and because you love it. I just

967
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: want women to do the same things that men do.

968
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: Sometimes I want them to be talking wind bags. Sometimes

969
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: I want them to be analytical like whatever it is.

970
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: I just want them to embrace fully being themselves and

971
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: it has always served me well. It does mean that

972
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: my mentions get blown up sometimes. It does mean sometimes

973
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: I stir up controversy, not on purpose, but it just

974
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: happens that way when you're opinionated. But I hope of

975
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: nothing else. Like when a young woman Emily comes up

976
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: to me and she's like, yeah, I write like jokes

977
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: about sports, and I write a monologue just like you do,

978
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: or I talk my shit. I love that. I'm like,

979
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: good for you because we are so many things. We

980
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: are multifaceted, and I think we need to represent that

981
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: in the media as well.

982
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: Speaking of being multifaceted and owning all the things that

983
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 3: make you great. Someone comes to your Instagram page and

984
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: they see what you put out into the world, being

985
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 3: someone on Sports Center, being someone that's talking about women

986
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 3: in sports, a figurehead for your industry.

987
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: But when you look.

988
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: In the mirror, Elle, what is it that you see

989
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: looking back at you?

990
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: Oh man, wow, yeah, I've I honestly, I see this

991
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: probably sounds corny, but I've been accused of that a

992
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: few times, and that's fine too. I just see a

993
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: little girl who cannot believe her life. Like, yes, I

994
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: know I have worked hard for this, and I know

995
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: that I've earned the things that I have, you know,

996
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: the opportunities that I've been given, Like I know all

997
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: of that, but it is it all still is so

998
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: shocking to me. I'm like, I cannot believe that I

999
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: put this crazy dream into the atmosphere when I was

1000
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: twelve years old, and I'm actually living that life right now, Like,

1001
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: I have exactly the life that I designed exactly. It's

1002
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: not always perfect and sometimes there are some things, some curveballs.

1003
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: This is exactly what I wanted, and I get to

1004
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: live that every single day. And so I mostly see

1005
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: this little girl with this audacious dream who gets to

1006
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: experience this. But what I ultimately see, too, Emily, is

1007
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: no one special. And I don't mean that to be

1008
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: self deprecating. I mean that to say, if I can

1009
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: do it, oh my god, anyone can do it. I

1010
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: am a girl from Powder Springs, Georgia, from a middle

1011
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: class family with no connections, who dropped out of college,

1012
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: and now I get to text with Robin Roberts if

1013
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: I have a question. And that's because I was strategic,

1014
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: because I worked hard, because I outworked other people, because

1015
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: I was willing to take chances, because I was willing

1016
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: to make sacrifices. And that is literally a blueprint for

1017
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: absolutely everyone. So when I look in the mirror, I

1018
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: see possibility, possibility that anyone can do this.

1019
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: I could tell you what it is that I believe

1020
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 3: makes you good at what you do, But what do

1021
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 3: you believe?

1022
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: Elle is your secret sauce?

1023
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 3: What is it that affords you these opportunities on how

1024
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: you execute?

1025
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think authenticity. Like I think sometimes in our

1026
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: industry we want to be really perfect and polished. I

1027
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: fully embrace that I'm a hot mess express and so

1028
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: you know the things that I can control or preparation,

1029
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: I am very prepared. Even if you think I'm just

1030
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: up there vibin and telling dad jokes, it's all very strategic.

1031
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: I am very prepared. I over prepare. But ultimately it's

1032
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: that like what you see as what you get. And

1033
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: I think anyone that knows me would tell you the

1034
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: same person that you see that's absolutely ridiculous on air

1035
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: is the exact same way. In fact, you're saying, like

1036
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of like diet l on air, I

1037
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: am the exact same person off air, and I have

1038
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: been really lucky to be able to sort of bring

1039
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: all the quirky parts of my personality and the things

1040
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 1: that interest me to my professional life. But I would

1041
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: I'd like to believe it's that that, like you believe me.

1042
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: You believe me when I mess up and I call

1043
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: myself a moron on air, and you believe me when

1044
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: I cry and I say something heartfelt. You believe me

1045
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: when I want to speak out on something and use

1046
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: my platform to speak out on controversial topics. And you

1047
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: believe me when I tell dad jokes. It's like all

1048
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: those things are me, And so that's what I think.

1049
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 1: Like I get my friends tell me all the time.

1050
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: The number one thing people ask them is is she

1051
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: really like that? They're like, yes, she's really like that.

1052
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: She's insane, And so you know, that's what it is.

1053
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: Is that and then also my ability to recognize what

1054
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: people on my desk and my coworkers need, Like I

1055
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: am an assist, I'm a point guard who was like

1056
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: I'd like to one day say, I'm like the superb

1057
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: version of like she was always she could score but

1058
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: she was always worried about making sure her teammates got

1059
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: the ball where they needed it, which is why she

1060
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: is the assist queen, and I love to be that

1061
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: person to help facilitate what do you need to be

1062
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: your best? Ultimately, you write like a lifting tide?

1063
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 2: What is it?

1064
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: A rising tide lifts all boats? I am team first always,

1065
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm collaborative, and I want to make sure everyone around

1066
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: me feels really good and feels like they're in a

1067
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: great spot, and ultimately I'll experience the windfall. Two.

1068
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 3: Do you have a most memorable or helpful assist that

1069
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: you have received as the person that's consistently working to

1070
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 3: be that assist for others?

1071
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: Man, I got a great assist from a producer a

1072
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: few years back, Sam to Nucci after Kobe died and

1073
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: he asked me to I shared a story with him

1074
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: about meeting Kobe, and then he asked me to share

1075
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: that on I was like, absolutely not. I don't even

1076
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: know Kobe. I met him the one time, Like this

1077
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: feels like I'm centering myself, it's not about me, and

1078
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: he really like broke it down for me why he

1079
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: thought I should share it, and then he felt like

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00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: it really humanized Kobe in this way, and I did it,

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00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: and then it evolved into girl dad, which is, you know,

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00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: a legacy that I'm really really proud of, you know because,

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00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: no matter what, like, no matter what you think about

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00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: my opinions on who's going to win the WNBA Championship

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00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: or whatnot, being a part of something that became this

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00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: cultural phenomenon that is still around today. I Mean, I

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00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever seen a post of someone announcing

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00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: they're having a daughter without hashtag girl dag on. It

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00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: was really really cool, and it was his encouragement and him,

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00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: you know, really leading me there and saying like, I

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00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: think this would be impactful. Him seeing it even when

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00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: I didn't see it was an incredible assist because it's

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00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: a great legacy to live.

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Speaker 3: H What an awesome assist. What a special moment, Girl

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00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: dad Elle. I'd be remiss not to click on the

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00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: fact that we're at the end of an era, the

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00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: al Duncans coming to an end.

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Speaker 2: You excited for what's next?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Vibe Check, which is a new The l Duncan

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00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: Show went away to make room for Vibe Check, which

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00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: is like an elevated version it's like the you know,

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00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 1: the Avengers version, which will be a women's sports centered show,

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00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: meaning that it will be led by women, but it's

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00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: not just us talking about women's sports. I mean, I

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00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: think the cool thing about ESPN is we truly have

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00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: remarkable women working in every single pocket, and so myself,

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00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: Andrea Carter chev woumkay, you know, will be involved heavily

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Speaker 1: in the show. But like when we want to talk

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00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: about football, we're gonna talk to me to chimes or

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Speaker 1: a Laura Rutledge. When we want to talk about women's basketball, yeah,

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00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: we have ourselves, but we have Monica McNutt, we have

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Speaker 1: Rebcca Lobo, Like, there are so many incredible women at

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00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: the company, and I'm just really excited to have a

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Speaker 1: space that sort of marries the unique culture around women

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00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: in sports but also just allows us to like talk

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00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: like this is not going to be some sort of

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00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: platitude performative show. I think the one thing that we

1118
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: do poorly right now when it comes to women's empowerment

1119
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: is by trying to hit you in the face with it.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, the she believes Cup, the she

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00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: can be anything she wants to envision, Cup it's like

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00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: sometimes right, like the greatest form of protest is just

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00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: simply thriving and being wonderful and being great, and that's empowering.

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00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: So having a show that is on Disney that is

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00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: all women just talking about sports, not necessarily burn on

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Speaker 1: their bras, but like just talking about sports like that

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00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: to me is so incredibly empowering. And I can't wait

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Speaker 1: for it. It'll be coming out on June thirtieth, and

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Speaker 1: you'll see it three times a week on Disney Plus,

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00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: and it's going to be fantastic. We've got stuff for

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00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: the girls, stuff for the boys, like if you're a

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00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: sports lover, if you're not a sports lover, We're aiming

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00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: for everyone. We are casting an incredibly wide net. You

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00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: can watch it with your daughters, you can watch it

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00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: with your homies. It really doesn't matter. It's going to

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00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: be for everybody.

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Speaker 3: Watch it with your daughters, watch it with your homies.

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00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 3: Is gonna have to be careful in the language though there.

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00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: Fair fair, I loose here with you, but I'm gonna

1140
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: have to really really be on my p's and q's for.

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00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: That show and cues.

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00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 3: Well, you've got at the desk and prepped for a

1143
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 3: lot of really big moments.

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00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: I've got to know.

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00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 3: Is there anything that you do when you're about to

1146
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 3: show up for something that's a little bit on the

1147
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 3: intense side, A pregame ritual of sorts.

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Speaker 2: If you will.

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00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny you say that because one of the

1150
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 1: things that me, Andre and Shane say, like seconds before

1151
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: we're going on air, they'll be counting us ten nine.

1152
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: We all look at each other and we say the

1153
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: same thing. If all else fails, just vibe which is

1154
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: a big part of where vibe check came from. By

1155
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: the way, too, I just remind myself which just TV,

1156
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, I really do. I actually don't get butterflies

1157
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: a ton anymore. So when I do, they're very exciting.

1158
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: When I understand the gravity of something or that I'm

1159
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: doing something that's sort of foreign to me and I'm

1160
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: getting nervous, I use that as fuel and motivation. I say, Okay,

1161
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: you're recognizing right now on your belly that this is

1162
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: a big deal and you're going to use all this

1163
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 1: anxiety and you're going to crush it. And I control

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00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: that by being prepared and having a fail safe and

1165
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: plans if things go awry. But Ultimately, I just remind myself, like,

1166
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: no careers were made, or a line on one day,

1167
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: not typically right, Like it's just TV. If you mess

1168
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: up a name, if you get a stat wrong, Like

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00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: it's all good. The beautiful thing about sports is like

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00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: you can have a bad day. There are a few

1171
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 1: professions simly where you cannot. If you're a heart surgeon,

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00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: you can't have a bad day. If you're a police officer,

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00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: you can't have a bad day. You can impact people's lives,

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00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: that's not what we're doing. So I just remind people that, like,

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00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: while I take my job really seriously, this is still sports,

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00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: So like let's just have fun and let's enjoy it

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00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: and let's soak it in, and like if it is

1178
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: a train wreck, we'll learn from it and we'll do

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00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: better the next time.

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00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 3: And you've learned from so many of the steps that

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00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 3: you've taken along in your career. I really love your

1182
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 3: sentiments around I have literally designed the life that I

1183
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 3: dreamt for myself when I was twelve years old.

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Speaker 2: For someone that's listening to this, before I.

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00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 3: Let you go today, any pints takeaways, pieces of advice

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00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 3: that you can offer when they hear that they think, Man,

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00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: I'd really love to design my life, but I just

1188
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 3: don't even know where to begin, and I'm in my thirties.

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00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: Is it too late? What do you say to that person?

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00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: Oh, man, I say my favorite thing to say to

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00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: myself and now too much my children is like the

1192
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: Desmond Tutu saying, how do you eat an elephant one

1193
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: bite at a time? Like if you overwhelm yourself by

1194
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: thinking of the scope of your goal or your dream,

1195
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: then you will absolutely be It's paralysis by analysis. You'll overanalyze.

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00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: You won't ever do it. But every great journey started

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00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: with one single step, and so be strategic. Right. You

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00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: need to have strategy. You can't just be like I'm

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00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: gonna quit my job and hope the universe meets me

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00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: where I'm at. The universe is going to ask you

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00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: to do some work too, Okay, but be strategic and

1202
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: remember that like almost everything in life, you can pivot

1203
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: from right. There are very few things in life that

1204
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: you can never come back from, and that there is

1205
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: no such thing as making a mistake. It's only making

1206
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: the best decision that you can with as much information

1207
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: as you had at the time. And so be strategic.

1208
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: Have a plan A and B. I am not on team.

1209
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: I only have one plan A because that's going to

1210
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: show you how serious I am about this. I think

1211
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: you should have a plan ABC, D and E because

1212
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: you were always ready to pivot if things don't exactly

1213
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: happen the way that you want. But go for it.

1214
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got literally one life to live. And

1215
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: we hear that all the time, but you guys, it's

1216
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: so true, and it goes by so fast, and you'll

1217
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: look up and you're forty two years old, and maybe

1218
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: you do live the life that you've designed, and maybe

1219
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: you thought that you were living the life that you designed,

1220
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: and you find yourself at forty five years old having

1221
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: an existential crisis and going, I don't know that I

1222
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: want this life. Well, then start making it look different.

1223
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: I mean, until we leave this earth, we have every

1224
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: opportunity to design the life that we want. So go

1225
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: for it, Like just do what are you waiting for?

1226
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: You waiting on like the fate faerry to knock on

1227
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: your door and lay your dreams out. It's all within you,

1228
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: It's all capable if you're strategic and you have a plan.

1229
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: Just have a plan and start with one single thing,

1230
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: and I promise you it will start to evolve from there.

1231
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Speaker 3: One by today a time. I am, I'm hyped up.

1232
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 3: I'm ready to run through a brick wall. Elle. You

1233
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 3: have an opportunity to offer yourself a piece of advice.

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01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 3: When we think back to that devastating hurdle moment, that

1235
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 3: radio station telling you you know what, girl, this ain't

1236
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 3: for you, and you being like, what the hell is

1237
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 3: going on here? Knowing what you know now one bite

1238
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 3: at a time, what advice do you give to your

1239
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 3: younger self during that hurdle moment?

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01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, ma'am, I would tell myself this is not the

1241
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: first or last time that people will doubt you, that

1242
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: people won't see it, that people won't believe in you. Ultimately,

1243
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: all that matters is your conviction, your drive, and your preparedness.

1244
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: Be prepared. You know, whenever I hear someone say I've

1245
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: done everything and it's still not happening for me, and

1246
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: then I start to proceed to ask them about those

1247
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: every things that they've done and it's not even close

1248
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: to everything, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, you haven't

1249
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: done everything. Like you need to remember that your opportunity

1250
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: is only what's the saying, and I love it. It's

1251
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: like people often miss out on success because it's dressed

1252
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: and over and looks like work. There is no light

1253
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel. Babe. You're gonna have

1254
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: to be convincing people for the rest of your career

1255
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: that you're the right fit, that you're the right one.

1256
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: But so long as you believe in yourself and so

1257
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: long as you show up and do the work the

1258
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: right way, things will happen for you and things will

1259
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: happen to you, and so you just have to keep going.

1260
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: But ultimately, like there's going to be people all along

1261
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: the journey that don't see it, So long as you do,

1262
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: that's all that matters.

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01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 2: Man.

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01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 3: I am a proud member of the El Duncan Fan Club.

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01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,439
Speaker 3: ELL for those that don't follow along with you just yet,

1266
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 3: how do they keep up with you?

1267
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: Where can they watch you? Yeah?

1268
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: Five days a week Sports Center six pm Eastern on ESPN,

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01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: and then Vibehag three days a week Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

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01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: Started June thirtieth on Disney.

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Speaker 3: Plus and Disney Plus. I'm over at Emily a Body

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01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 3: and at Hurdle Podcast. Another Hurdle conquered. Catch you guys,

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01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:51,919
Speaker 3: next time

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Speaker 1: You