1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, damning 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: evidence revealed regarding cult mom Laurie Valo and the shooting 3 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: death of one of her many husbands, Charles Valo. Is 4 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: it true she waited nearly an hour after gunning him 5 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: down along with her brother to call nine one one. 6 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: We had to go shopping for flip flops and even 7 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: stop for fast food. That's what I'm telling you. Cult 8 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: Mom Laurie Valo did a drive by at b K 9 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: Burger King. She had it her way at eight thirty 10 00:00:54,800 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: in the morning while Charles Valo lay bleeding apt Crime 11 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. So have you guys had a 12 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: chance to review the documents that came out today? Yes, 13 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: we did, and what are your thoughts? My thoughts are 14 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: that it wasn't pretty. It's it was kind of hard 15 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: to look at to see what they're accused, her and 16 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: her brother and all of them are doing, and it 17 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: was just hard to read. The true facts of what 18 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: actually happened. Didn't surprise you at all. Some of it did, 19 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: some of it did not, you know, being part of 20 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: the family knowing some things and the dynamics, you know, 21 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: know something. So some of it wasn't surprising, but some 22 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: of it was right down shock, right down shocking. You 23 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: are hearing our friend Nate eating from East Idaho News 24 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: speaking with Charles Valo's family because now facts are starting 25 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: to come out and for victims families sometimes it's downright 26 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: hard to read, hard to hear what happened to your 27 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: loved one. Again, thank you for being with us here 28 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: at Foxnation in series see eleven with me and all 29 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: Star panel to make sense of what is going down 30 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: right now in the Cult Mom Laurie Valo case. First 31 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: of all, Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, court TV anchor. 32 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: She said, Ashley Wilcot dot com. Doctor Jeff Gardeer, Board 33 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: certified Clinical Psychologist, Professor Behavioral Medicine at Turo College. You 34 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: can find him at doctor Jeff Gardeer dot com. And 35 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: he's the author of Causes of Autism. Joseph Scott Morgan, 36 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, death investigator, author of Blood 37 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a brand 38 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: new hit on iHeartRadio. The piked and massacret returned to 39 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: Pike County, but right now to our star reporter joining us, 40 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: Nate Eaton, a news director East Idaho News dot com. 41 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: You can find him on Twitter. By the way, Nate 42 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: News Now I have to watch it all the time 43 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: to keep up with what's happening with the Colt Mom 44 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: Laurie Valo case. I mean, Nate Eaton hearing Charles Valo. Now, 45 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: let's see that was husband four, correct, yeah, number four? 46 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: All right? What I hear his voice talking about how 47 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: he could listen to some not the rest, read some 48 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: not read the rest. It was too upsetting. What evidence 49 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: did you show it? What is he talking about? Well, 50 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: these were new court documents just released from Arizona regarding 51 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: Charles's death, and they came about in the probable cost 52 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: statement because Laurie Vallo was charged with conspiracy to commit murder. 53 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: This is the first time we're hearing really any details 54 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: about what happened, any significant details about what happened the 55 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: day Charles died, and the fact that his death was 56 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: apparently planned months before he was shot and killed by 57 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: Alex past Yeah, you know, we could figure out a 58 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: lot of it. To you, Ashley Willcott, judge and trial lawyer. 59 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: We knew that Charles Valo, husband number four of cult 60 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: Mom Laurie Valo was the father. You've got JJ Valo, 61 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: and you have Tyley his older sister, Tyleie Ryan from 62 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: father Joseph Ryan. So we all thought that that day 63 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: Charles Valo had gone over for routine pickup a little 64 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: JJ about seven years old, got into an altercation with 65 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: Valos Lorie Valo's brother Alex, and ended up getting shot dead. 66 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: That's all we knew. We knew that she was laughing 67 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: and joking around when cops finally got there. But the 68 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: rest is all new, Ashley, Yeah, absolutely, it is all new. 69 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: And Nancy, this is a case in which I think 70 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: that you know clearly there was an investigation originally. Maybe. However, 71 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: as more facts come out, I think the more thorough 72 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: the investigations become and looking at what really happened, because 73 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: her behavior was odd. Like you said, with the police, 74 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: she was laughing, she was jovial, she was joking knowing 75 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: knowing that her ex husband had been killed. It's bizarre 76 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 1: to me. But having said that, the thing that's missing 77 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: in this is what kind of altercation? How did he 78 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: get shot and killed? Well, another thing that we knew, 79 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: Nate Eaton by just simple deduction, is that there were 80 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: only two other witness says Laurie Valo, Alex Cox, the 81 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: brother who's now dead, and two witnesses JJ Entily, the 82 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: only witnesses to Charles's death and they're dead. So you're 83 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: saying that there is evidence now, Nate Eaton, that we're 84 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: learning about because calm Laurie Valo has now been charged 85 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: in the shooting death of husband number four, Charles Valo. 86 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: Now this is in addition to the death of her 87 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: own children, JJ Entily. Then you've got Tammy Day Belle, 88 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: Chad Day Belle, husband number five, wife who died in 89 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: her sleep. But you're saying that this was pre planned. Guys, 90 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to more of 91 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: what Charles Valo just shot dead, cold blooded, shot dead. 92 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: Take a listen to what he had to say to 93 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: Nate Eaton. Jerry, I remember you calling me, I think 94 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: in November, asking how you could talk to Laurie, wondering 95 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: if there would be a way that you could connect 96 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: with her in the jail, and we spoke. That may 97 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: have been the time that you were in that fit 98 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: of rage that you just wanted I think you told 99 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: me you wanted to punch her to put it nicely, well, yes, 100 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: I don't hit girls. Number one, but if I were 101 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: to hit any girl, I punch her in the throat. 102 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: But if I would just like to sit down and 103 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: look at her in the eye and talk to her, 104 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: I really would. What would you talk about? I would 105 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: tell her that she's not some reincarnated deity, that she's 106 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: not some god on earth that's going to lead all 107 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: the people to the end of the world when Jesus 108 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: comes and the creator of the universe will judge her, 109 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: not me. You are hearing Charles Mallow's brother Jerry, speaking 110 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: to Nate Eton and he goes on about how he 111 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: is not a judge. Listen, I'm not a judge. I 112 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: don't hate. I don't allow that emotion in my heart. 113 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: And there's probably a few things I'd say to her. 114 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: But my main rage, nay, would be if Alex was 115 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: still alive. My wife doesn't know this, but I almost didn't. 116 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: But I wanted to go to Arizona and find Alex 117 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: when he didn't know I was there, and take a 118 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: little baseball back to his ass. You know, to you, 119 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: doctor Jeff Gardier or clinical psychologist Professor Turot. Doctor Gardier 120 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: we're seeing all the phases of grief right here. Now. 121 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer, but you know them very well, 122 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: and I would say that right now, Charles Vella's family 123 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: is in the anger phase absolutely, And as much as 124 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: Jerry talks about that he doesn't want to be a 125 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: judge or jury or executioner, that anger is seething. And 126 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: the more he thinks about what has happened to his 127 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: brother and the rest of the family, it's just hard 128 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: for him to control it. And you know what, Nancy, 129 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: it's good that he's talking about it, and it's good 130 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: that he's able to express that rage and anger because 131 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: so many people that are part of this case, part 132 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: of this family, they don't know what to do with 133 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: their emotions because things continue to evolve and answers are 134 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: just not coming. Crime stories with Nancy Grace in the 135 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: last hours, everyone, we are getting more of a look 136 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: at what was going through a cult Laurie Valor's mind 137 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: when she allow with her brother conspire to gun down 138 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: her then fourth husband, Charles Valo. Little JJ Father, take 139 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: a listen to our France at kat VB seven News. 140 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: Prosecutors in Arizona declined to charge Chad day Bell in 141 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: connection to Valo's fourth husband, Charles Valo. And this comes 142 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: after Chandler police charged Laurie Valo and her brother Alex 143 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: and his death and all of the stems from a 144 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: probable cause released last week. The thirteen page probable cause 145 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: outlines text messages, and online records of the days and 146 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: minutes leading to the death of Charles Valo. Investigators say 147 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: Laurie's brother, Alex Cox, shot and killed her fourth husband 148 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: in July of twenty nineteen. Alex claimed it was self defense. 149 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: The probable cause revealing Alex waited nearly forty five minutes 150 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: to call nine one one. Investigators say Alex made no 151 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: effort to provide aid despite the dispatcher giving him CPR 152 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: instruction over the phone. Chandler police say phone records also 153 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: showed Alex called Lourie before he called nine one one, 154 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: just part of the evidence Chandler police used to charge 155 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: Lourie in Charles's death. Straight back out to the news 156 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: director East Idaho News dot Com, Nate Eaton. Nate, Let's 157 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: go through what we know happened the day that Charles 158 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: Valo was gunned down. Now, for those of you just 159 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: joining us. Another murder has been added on to cult 160 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: mom Laurie Valo's body count. You got seven year old JJ, 161 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: You've got the team daughter Tyley. You've got Tammy day Bell, 162 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: her new husband's wife, who was perfectly healthy until the 163 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: two of them decided to get married. And now you've 164 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: got Charles Valow. Tell me about the evidence that is 165 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: backing up the claim that she conspired to murder Charles Valo. Well, 166 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: six months before Charles died, there was a text message 167 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: that Laurie sent to a friend. We don't know that 168 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: friend's name, it's been redacted in court documents. She said 169 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: something to the effect that Charles is blocking her spiritual gifts, 170 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: and she started calling Charles Hiplos or ned two different 171 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: names that he had turned into a place. Are you 172 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: saying hi p l O? Yes, Hiplos. Not sure the 173 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: origins of that, But this became Charles's name, they said 174 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: when he became possessed by this dark spirit. So they 175 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: had this name for Charles Hiplos that began six months 176 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: before he died. Fast forward, a month before he died, 177 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: Laurie text a friend says something like, just got home, 178 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: got JJ to sleep. Let's go spiritually tonight and work 179 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: on him. Assuming Charles, we give the timing to the Lord, 180 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: but we don't need to relent. This is war. A 181 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: month later, the day comes, Charles arrived to pick up JJ. 182 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: Was he was going to go out and have a 183 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: Sunday with his son. He arrives at the home where 184 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: Alex coxes and according to investigators, Cox shot him, but 185 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: waited about an hour to report the incidents. Meanwhile, Laurie 186 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: takes off with JJ, goes to Walgreens to buy flip flops, 187 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: stopped by Burger King to get food for JJ. Returns 188 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: home at eight forty eight, an hour nearly an hour 189 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: after Charles is shot. And not only was Charles shot 190 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: once Nancy by Alex, but according to these documents, Alex 191 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: shot him. He was lying on the floor when Alex 192 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: then shot him again. So he was in a obviously 193 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: a vulnerable state. He was not, you know, trying to 194 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: Charles charge at Alex at that point. So Laurie arrived home. 195 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: Alex had then called police and according to these documents, 196 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: he said he was doing CPR, he was doing life 197 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: saving measures, but that was not the case. No, he 198 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: was not life saving well, according to the police. When 199 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: they got there, they began life saving measures, and they 200 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: said that nobody had worked on his body. They were 201 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: able to tell that nothing had been done on his 202 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: body at that point. To Jessica Morgan, professor forensics Jacksonville 203 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: State University and star of the Piketon massacre on iHeartRadio, 204 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, how can a coroner or a medical examine 205 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: or a death investigator like yourself go to the scene 206 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: and figure out that husband number four, Charles Valo was 207 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: shot once while standing and once for the second time 208 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: while he was already lying on the floor. Well, it 209 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: goes to trajectory, Nancy, the path that the bullet takes. 210 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: And I'm going to stop calling Charles Valo's death simply 211 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: a murder. This is an execution, Nancy. This is what 212 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: this come down comes down to. And kind of let 213 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: me tell you what happened. In my opinion, at least, 214 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: this idea of advance on him on Alex, and then 215 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: Alex has to kind of thwart this perceived attack. What 216 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: apparently happened is that he shoots him one time and 217 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: then according to the medical examiner, what they determined after 218 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: that is that the aggressor who is Alex, stood over 219 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: the body and fired down into the body. This is 220 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: after this man has already sustained what is more than 221 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: likely a fatal gunshot wound. And here's what they found 222 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: on the floor. Nancy, I say, Joe Scott, because you 223 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: could give that same trajectory path, which for those of 224 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: you that haven't had to study trajectory path and I 225 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: hope that's all of you of bullets, trajectory path just 226 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: very simply means the direction that the bullet takes through 227 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: the body. For instance, if you're shot in the head, 228 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: is a trajectory path from the chin to the head 229 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: the scalp, that's the trajectory path. That's how it would work, 230 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: say from right to left, from down to up at 231 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: an eighty degree angle. That's what we mean. And I 232 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: was wondering, just got Morgan if you couldn't get the 233 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: same trajectory path if Alex had Alex Cox the brother 234 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: had shot him straight on, head on, through the chest 235 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: and was hoping that there would be evidence on the 236 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: floor under him, ballistics evidence to show that's what that's 237 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: how they could prove he was lying on the ground. Yeah, 238 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: And this is what they found. What they found at 239 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: the scene beneath his body is what's called a bullet strike. 240 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: So what this implies is that as he's standing over 241 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: this poor man who has already been shot, mind you, 242 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: and if we are believed what we're hearing in front 243 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: of witnesses, these kids, he is then shot down. They 244 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: spired down own into his body, and the bullet actually 245 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: passes through the body and strikes the floor underneath. You 246 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: don't get that from standing up, Nates. Okay, you don't 247 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: get that from standing up. This is an out and 248 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: out execution of a defenseless man, to the best of 249 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: our knowledge, that wasn't armed with a handgun. And that's 250 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: what's so horrible about this. She talked about war. She 251 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: brought it to him. I mean, they brought it to him, 252 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: and they slaughtered this guy. Did they lure him over, 253 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: Nate Eaton, or was he there for a scheduled pickup 254 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: or visitation. Well, according to the documents, he had been 255 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: concerned for Laurie's help, obviously for some time her mental health, 256 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: and he was apparently discussing with her other brother, not Alex, 257 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: but Adam, kind of an intervention they wanted to do 258 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: something to get Laurie help. So he had come to 259 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: town and meanwhile, behind the scenes, Laurie and Alex are 260 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: scheming to do something about Charles, to take his life. 261 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: So he went over to pick JJ up. They knew 262 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: that he was coming. He was aware that they knew 263 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: he was coming, so it was kind of a planned arrangement. Obviously, 264 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: he had no idea that he was going to be 265 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: shot and killed. You know, when you're talking about mental health, 266 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: the first thing that Laurie Valo could have done is 267 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: to quit sleeping with another woman's husband. Just we could 268 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: just start right there. So please just don't start preaching 269 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: mental health to me. I think, however, Nate Eton that 270 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 1: the fourth husband, Charles Vallo, was worried about his child 271 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: and was worried about her talk of saving the one 272 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: hundred forty plus thousand chosen at the end of the earth, 273 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: which was supposed to happen I think a year ago 274 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: last July, right, yeah, yeah, last July. Oh. He was, nephew, 275 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: he was. He was scared of death for his son. 276 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: He went to the police multiple times saying, my wife 277 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: had con crazy. She's she's calling me nudge, she's you know, 278 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: saying that I'm possess and you mentioned her, you know, 279 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: sleeping with Chad, and we'll right after Charles was killed, 280 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: Chad tests Lori and says he had inspiration about death 281 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: percentages and says Tammy's death is very close. Her percentage 282 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: has fallen steadily since Hiplo slept. It is encouraging, followed 283 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: by a heart and lip emoji time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 284 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: the more evidence it comes out, the more disgusted a 285 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: jury will ultimately be. Did you hear what Nate Eaton 286 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: just said from East idahoanes that after Charles Valo is 287 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: gunned down at Lorie follows home, she goes and shots 288 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: for flip flops, wait's almost an hour to call nine 289 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: one one, and even stops for a drive by at 290 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: Burger King. It obviously did not affect her appetite that 291 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: she had just lured her husband over so he could 292 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: get shot dead. Now you're hearing Nate Eaton talk about evidence, 293 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: which is my favorite thing to talk about when it 294 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: comes to a murder trial. The evidence. How can you 295 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: marshal your evidence to prove this case? Well, I've got 296 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: a pretty good idea. Take a listen, to our Cut thirteen. 297 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: This is Katib Chandler. Police say text messages between Lori 298 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: and Chad after the shooting talked about quote death percentages 299 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: in relation to Charles and Chad's first wife, Tammy, who 300 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: died in October of twenty nineteen, which had some wondering 301 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: if he too would be prosecuted in connection to Charles's death. 302 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: But on Wednesday, the Maricopa County Attorney's Office in Arizona 303 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: announced it reviewed the charge submitted against Chad day Bell 304 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: and have declined prosecution, stating there was no reasonable likelihood 305 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: of conviction. Alex died five months after Charles. In December 306 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen. A medical examiner ruled he died of 307 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: natural causes. All this coming to light after Laurie's children, 308 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: Jj Andentily were reported missing in September of twenty nineteen 309 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: and technosuggested lam Fox ten Phoenix Our Cut fifteen detectives 310 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: discussed digital evidence indicating the killing was intended part of 311 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 1: a master plan. Please say one a legend message from 312 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: day Bell to Valorids. I got the inspiration to go 313 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: back to my original death percentages that helped us track Charles, 314 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: ned etc. Tammy's very close. Her percentage has fallen steadily 315 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: since Hiplo's left Nick schnyder O take it over. Charles's body. 316 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: Documents say Laurie's religious circle referred to her ex as 317 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: a dark spirit, ned or hipplos, and two witnesses told 318 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: police that Laurie got her advice in direction from Chad 319 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: day Bell. Detectives conclude day Bell was aware of the 320 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: work Laurie did on Charles leading up to his death. 321 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: Day Bell has already pleaded not guilty to the charges 322 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: he's accused of In Idaho. Laurie Valos cases meanwhile on hold. 323 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: Right now. She's in the custody of the state's health department, 324 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: deemed incompetent and unfit for trial. You know, I want 325 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: to ask you, Unite Eton, what does that mean? Chad 326 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: Daybell was aware of the quote work Laurie had done 327 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: on Charles well. She was chatting with friends through text 328 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: messages that they were doing spiritual work on him. One 329 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: of her friends claimed that she could control the weather. 330 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: I mean, this sounds like it's out of a science 331 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: fiction movies, honestly, But they were chatting back and forth, 332 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: and Chad was involved and the prosecutor basically says, yeah, 333 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: we know he was involved, but we don't think that 334 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: there is a no solid evidence. Like you mentioned that 335 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: we could charge him in Arizona for conspiracy to commit 336 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: murder for Charles, so he was aware getting text messages 337 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: communicating with them, but it sounds like they don't have 338 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: enough to actually charge him at this point. Well, Donald, 339 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: we also learn that Chad day Bell was directing her 340 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: and what to do. Sometimes that's called a mastermind. He 341 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: was and back. One of her close friends told me 342 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: about a year ago that when Charles first approached, Laurian 343 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: said that sorry. When Chad first approached, Laurian said, Charles 344 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: had become dark, He'd become a zombie. Laurie actually had 345 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: a problem with that in the beginning, she was she 346 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: was not comforted by that. Eventually she did come around 347 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: to the fact that her husband, according to them, had 348 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: indeed become dark, and thus the plan went forward to 349 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: take as life Nate. What more did we learn from 350 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: this this treasure trove of documents, Lori and Chad and 351 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: a few other including Alex Cox's wife, we're communicating a 352 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: lot in text messages, and we've said that from the beginning. 353 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: In this entire case, the circumstantial evidence that the police 354 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: have is mind blowing. These people were texting, they were 355 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: they left a digital footprint everywhere they went, and the 356 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: Arizona Police released just a few of these little nuggets 357 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: use little text messages throughout of a Laurie saying that 358 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, God is leading her to do these things, 359 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: that she will be like profitable to do as she 360 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: is told. That she, according to these texts, really felt 361 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: that God was in charge of this entire plan as 362 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: they went about taking these lives. That is no defense 363 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: under the law. To trial attorney Judge Quartin the anchor 364 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, that's just like saying I was voluntary intoxicated. 365 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: That's not a defense under the law. All right, everybody 366 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: down the gil right now would claim they were drunk 367 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: when they committed a child molestation, ray arson, murder, you 368 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: name it, selling dope, we were all drunk. Let us out. 369 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: That's the same thing here. In fact, the en diet 370 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: one is very clear that the grand jury believe that 371 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: Laurie Valo and Chad day Bell used their religion as 372 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: a cloak to justify murder. Right, And so you're right, 373 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: number one, it's not a defense. And just like ignorance 374 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: of the law is not a defense, it's not a 375 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: defense to say I was following my religious beliefs, because 376 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: regardless of what you claim to be religious beliefs, laws 377 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: have been broken. There's multiple murders of multiple individuals, including 378 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: two children, and not only that, Nancy, but like you 379 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: already pointed out, they're using it as an excuse to 380 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: engage an immoral, illegal, not appropriate activity. Don't forget, like 381 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: you said, sleeping with a married man, a man sleeping 382 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: with a married woman. I mean, these are the things 383 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: that they're doing under the auspice of oh, it's our religion, 384 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: but it's not a legal defense. Stay goodness and to you, 385 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: doctor Jeff Gardier. We know that cultmal Laurie Valo is 386 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: going to try and claim one incompetence to stand trial, 387 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: which simply means at the time of trial you are 388 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: mentally incapable of helping your lawyer in your defense. She 389 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: will try insanity, which means she did not know right 390 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: from wrong at the time of all of these murders. 391 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: But so called radical beliefs are choosing to really create 392 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: a religion and tell the jury that your religion directed 393 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: you to murder your children and your husband, and you're 394 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: a love rival, and it goes on and on and on. 395 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 1: That's not going to work. But what about go with me, 396 00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: Go with me, doctor Jeff Gardeer, some sort of brain washing, 397 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: some sort for instance Stockholm syndrome, where Laurie Vale had 398 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: been brainwashed by Chad day Bell. Yeah, you bring up 399 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: a lot of great points. And I actually wrote down 400 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: on my I don't like it when you say that, 401 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: because I know you're going to say, but go ahead, no, no, no, no, 402 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: But here I believe you are absolutely right. There's a 403 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: difference between radical beliefs, extreme religious beliefs, and a psychosis. 404 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: And from what I can tell, I haven't examined anyone 405 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: of course here in this case, but this is not 406 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 1: a psychosis. These people understand where they are, what it 407 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: is that they're doing, the difference between right and wrong, 408 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: and certainly have intent. So they couldn't use that, as 409 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, as an insanity defense. And when 410 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: we talk about this brainwashing, I believe, yes, that may 411 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: play a role here between Laurie and Chad. But let's 412 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: also not forget that Laurie, for a very long time 413 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: was reading Chad day Bell's books and was appeared to 414 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: be quite smitten with him as an author and buying 415 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: into that belief system. So if there was a brainwashing, 416 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: then it came along very, very easily, because the table 417 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: was already set in Laurie Valo's mind Prime stories with 418 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. I'm going to circle back to you just 419 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan on the forty thirty minutes at Charles vale 420 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: dying bleeding out on the floor. But Nate Eton, I 421 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: want to talk to you about one particular sentence that 422 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: really stands out to me. And this new set of 423 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: documents we've gotten a probable cause affidavit leading to the 424 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: arrest or the charging of Cultmam Laurie Valo and the 425 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: murder of husband number four. Charles Valo. Okay, you mentioned 426 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: Nate Eten. Just got home and got jj to sleep. 427 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: Let's go spiritually tonight and work on him, Charles Valow. 428 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: We give the timing to the Lord, but we don't 429 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: need to relent. This is war. Then somebody texts Laurie 430 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: Valow saying, oh, and can you meet me at the 431 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: temple in the morning. I have time tomorrow and we 432 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: can work on Hipplos That is her crazy name for 433 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: one of her victims, husband, Charles Vallee. How do we 434 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: know they weren't not just praying about him but plotting 435 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 1: his murder? Oh? They really likely were. And you know 436 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: there's talk of going to the temple spiritually working on him. 437 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: I've been by countless investigators when it comes down to this, 438 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: this is about sex and money. Oh yeah, are you 439 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: talking about that four thousand dollars that caught Melaurie Valo 440 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: determined she would get in Social Security if Charles Valo died? 441 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: And there our computer records showing her searches one week. 442 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: One week after Charles died, she texted Chad, according to 443 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: these documents, So I talked to the insurance company. He 444 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: meaning Charles changed it in March, so it was probably 445 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: ned before we got rid of him. They can't tell 446 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: me to who, of course, but it's done. I'll still 447 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: get the four thousand a month from Social Security. Well, 448 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: we know she's talking about the million dollar life insurance 449 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: policy that she originally was a benefactor from, but when 450 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: Charles became worried that something might happen, he changed that 451 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: benefactor to Kay Woodcock, his sister and Laurie confronted Kay 452 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: about that one week after Kay's brother Charles dies and 453 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: says his sister it's all the money and I'm left 454 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: with the kids and nothing. So there's text evidence there 455 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: that says that they definitely were thinking about finances. Now 456 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: tell me. The day that Charles Valo was gunned down 457 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: was a July eleventh, b eleventh, and then that text 458 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: was sent on the eighteenth and June. Jeanne. Investigators say 459 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: Laurie Valo searched the Internet for social security disability information. 460 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: There was a message sent to Chad where she says 461 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: she determined should get four grand a month in social 462 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: security if Valo died. Was that before or after his shooting, 463 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: which Jeanne, are we talking about? So that was before 464 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: she did search the internet before and after the she 465 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: made an appoint She made an appointment to go down 466 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: and talk to the Social Security benefit because Hiley was 467 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: now without a father. So that's why she got the 468 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: four thousand a month. And just Morgan, as I like 469 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: to say to a jury, there you go. The month 470 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: before he died, four weeks before he died, she was 471 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: hunched over a computer calculator in hand, trying to figure 472 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: out how much money she would get if he's dead, 473 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: and then bam, she has him come over to the 474 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: home while she's there and he gets shot. I mean 475 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: two and two still equals four, right, Yeah, And you know, 476 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: I guess she's still saying that God's in all these details. Right, 477 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: She's sitting here and she's plotting, and she's planning. And 478 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: this is again, I'll go back to what I earlier said, Nancy, 479 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: this is an execution. And I think that many people believe, unfortunately, 480 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: because of media and this sort of thing, when someone 481 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: is shot, that they die immediately unless you score a headshot, 482 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: which means like to the skull. That's just not the case. 483 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: This guy languished for a while. And here's what I 484 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: was thinking when he was shot that initial time, for 485 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: this advancing theory that they had put forward in the beginning. 486 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: And he's down on the floor, Why do you have 487 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: the need to shoot him again? Well, I can tell 488 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: you why. He's probably writhing around. He's probably shot in 489 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: the trunk, in the chest or the abdomen, and he's 490 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: writhing around on the ground and he's bleeding out internally. 491 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: Nancy do you realize what kind of cold, cowardly event 492 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: this is in order to shoot and facilitate and encourage 493 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: the shooting of the man that you have had children 494 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: with in front of his children, if we're to believe that. 495 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: And he shot this guy and he's standing over him, 496 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: he's watching him bleed out on the ground, Nancy, and 497 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: then he pumps another round into him. Now we don't 498 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: know where these rounds are oriented, but I do know this. 499 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: It's telling when they say that there were no resuscitative 500 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,959 Speaker 1: efforts made when I show up at seems Nancy. As 501 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: a death investigator, you can tell when people have attempted 502 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: to resuscitate somebody, particularly an individual that has been shot, 503 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: because listen, there is a hole in the body. There 504 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: will be blood everywhere, even more blood than somebody use. 505 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: It's just naturally breathing out. If you're doing chest compressions, 506 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: they're also spitting up blood. You're the person that will 507 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: try to do this will be covered in blood. They 508 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: have seen any evidence of that. This goes to how cold, 509 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: how cold, and how cruel this whole thing is. And 510 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: this timeline that you're establishing with all the text and 511 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: then go back a month and she's sitting there trying 512 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: to determine how she's going to get so security benefits 513 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: for the child and stuff for You may need to 514 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: lay down for this, Nate Eat, newswriter at East Idaho 515 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: News dot com. Aren't you leaving something out? I know 516 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: you mentioned that Charles Valo have planned an intervention with 517 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: Lorie Valo about her belief that she was a goddess. 518 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: Isn't true, But just two days for Valor was shot 519 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: and killed. Cult mom Laurie Valor discovered that he had 520 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: planned this intervention and had asked her to come clean 521 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: about her relationship with Chad Daybill or he would tell 522 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: Tammy Daybill they were having a sex affair. That's exactly right. 523 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: According to these documents, Charles was aware that Laurie was 524 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: having this affair and he wanted to reach out to 525 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: Tammy in Idaho and let her know what was happening. 526 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: And that's when things seemed to accelerate, even the day before. 527 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: So this was two you mentioned that, I was two 528 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: days before Charles died. The day before, she's texting somebody 529 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: we don't know who, saying you can't go. Somebody was 530 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: supposed to go to Utah for a wedding from Arizona. 531 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: She texted this friend and said, you can't go. We 532 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: both need to stay here to defend ourselves. It's coming 533 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,439 Speaker 1: to a head. This week will change everything. I'm getting sleepy. 534 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: Come by the house tomorrow. I will be I will 535 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: do as I am told, and so will you. So 536 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: it's almost as if there's forty eight hours when Charles 537 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: was planning an intervention. He confronts Laurie about the affair. 538 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 1: He plans to go to Chad's wife. There's plan accelerating. 539 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: Laurie thinks I gotta do something. Hey, Nate, do you 540 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: think there's any chance somebody told Tammy day Bill Charles? 541 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: You know, I've asked Tammy's family if they think Tammy knew. 542 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: They said that she never mentioned anything to them, and 543 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: she was very close with her sister, and her sister 544 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: said she didn't know anything. Now there is a chance 545 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: that she was embarrassed, that she didn't want to talk 546 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: about this, that she was trying to figure it out. 547 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: We do know that a week or two before she died, 548 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: Tammy went by herself to spend some time with her 549 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: family without Chad, without any of the kids, and they 550 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: had a great time. There's a chance she knew, but 551 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: as far as her extended family members tell me that 552 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: she never mentioned anything to them. So nte Eton East 553 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: Idaho News dot Com on the case in the very beginning, 554 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: I thought maybe there would be a surprise in this, 555 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: but it's the same old thing, sex and money. I think. 556 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: I think the most surprising thing is the fact that 557 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: the police, and maybe we shouldn't be surprised because they've 558 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: said this from the beginning, but they have minute by 559 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: minute text messages that lay out the case or the prosecutor, 560 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: so it seems. And if someone is one legal expert 561 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: told me, if you're their defense attorneys right now, you 562 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 1: start talking trying to talk a free agreement because if 563 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: this is this is just a snapshot of the evidence 564 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: they have, imagine what they can present at trial. Nate, 565 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: doesn't that jerstation have the death penalty? You? I mean, 566 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: how many dead bodies does it take to get the 567 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: death penalty? The prosecutor has sixty days from the day 568 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: that of arraignment could declare if they're going for the 569 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: death pening your own children, Tammy day Bill in her sleep, 570 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: I mean, what more do you have to do there 571 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: plan a bomb. I believe the prosecutor will go for 572 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: the death penalty, But right now Laurie's case, everything is 573 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: on hold, so nothing can progress there until she is 574 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: deemed competent, which could come as early as the fall, 575 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: or could come in ten years. You just never know. 576 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: There is no insanity defense in Idaho. She cannot lead insane. 577 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: As for Chad, we should know in the next thirty 578 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 1: days if the prosecutor intends to go for the death penalty. 579 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: We can't seek it on one and not the other. 580 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 1: They're both, They're both stewing together in the same pot. Yeah, 581 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: I would imagine if they go for one, they're going 582 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: to go for both. Right now, I'm just trying to 583 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: make sense of all this new evidence showing cult mom 584 00:38:51,680 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: Laurie Valo planning scheming to murder husband number for Charles 585 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: Vallee and did it while j J entirely were there 586 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 1: in the home to witness it. We wait as justice, 587 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,399 Speaker 1: God willing unfolds Nancy Grace's crime story, signing off Goodbye friend,