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Speaker 1: Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of

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Speaker 1: Real Time Crime. I'm your host, Leo Lamar, and I

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Speaker 1: have with me my compadre. You've been working on a

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Speaker 1: new title, not working well enough. But it's Dmitri. You guys, Dmitri.

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm doing well? Thank you? How are you?

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Speaker 1: You know? Dmitri? I think we know how I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: I think we do. And just to fill other people,

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Speaker 1: and Leah is still out of the country, I did

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Speaker 1: buy my plane ticket back for next Tuesday. All right,

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Speaker 1: Well that's I know, it's exciting. And um, if a

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Speaker 1: British boyfriend, not to brag, but to brag, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: you just use the boyfriend were I know? I know,

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Speaker 1: I went to Europe and I bought the first house

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Speaker 1: I saw, so um, just so we're clear, then, the

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Speaker 1: crime that has been committed is that your single life

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Speaker 1: has been assassinated by yeah, yeah, by And we're referring

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Speaker 1: to Adam, right, and his name is Adam. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: poor guy. He's sitting by himself on the bed doing

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Speaker 1: work and he just seems content. That's what you need.

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Speaker 1: That's a good thing in a relationship. He just looked

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Speaker 1: at me. Oh no, he just said help me. He

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Speaker 1: does not helped me. But bad news for you, boo.

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Speaker 1: I'm the only one here. He's so trapped. Okay. Anyway, um,

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Speaker 1: this is a future crime for sure, a future crime

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Speaker 1: of fashion. Sorry, Adam, you were great while you last it. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: you guys, so many hilariously odd stories this week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's and it's kind of a nice change

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Speaker 1: of pace from there's been some heavy stuff lately, so

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Speaker 1: it's nice to get. And not any crime is good,

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Speaker 1: but some of this stuff is very strange. Some of

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Speaker 1: the stuff is very bizarre. And not that any of

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Speaker 1: these are ha ha funny. People are dying, but they

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Speaker 1: are strange, so let's put it that way. Number one,

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Speaker 1: Number two, Yes, I'm in Paris for the keeping score

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Speaker 1: following along with my Instagram and for those of you

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Speaker 1: who are not, this has really been I'm exhausted. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to come home, but I'm not not ready

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Speaker 1: to come home. You've been going for like, what is

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Speaker 1: it like six months? Now five weeks? Same? But you

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Speaker 1: know what, I've never been to Europe, so I think

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Speaker 1: I'm just at this like a backlog for all the

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Speaker 1: trips I should have taken. Yeah, listen, um, and your

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Speaker 1: first out of Europe and you come home with a boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good, not bad, right, I mean most people

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Speaker 1: study it when they go to college and they spend

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Speaker 1: over six months. I didn't even do that, so I

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Speaker 1: would say this is my college study abroad. I also,

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Speaker 1: you know, godboyfriend and um who knows, probably COVID. It's

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Speaker 1: just like really hard to say what else has been

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Speaker 1: going on here? So which of these things are you

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Speaker 1: bringing home? Hopefully not COVID, just COVID. Okay, So, so

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Speaker 1: Adam lives there, Adam lives in the UK. No one

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Speaker 1: cares about besides us. Oh, I see, I've never seen

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Speaker 1: to get so deflated. I don't think that just means

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Speaker 1: you don't want to talk about it. Yet it is

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Speaker 1: not that I don't want to talk about it. He

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Speaker 1: lives in London and we're going to figure out the

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Speaker 1: distance situation. M All right, babe, do you care that

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Speaker 1: I'm telling everyone about our love life? He said no. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean he has to get used to I remember,

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Speaker 1: I want to stay with this guy. He was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be in your set. Don't put

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Speaker 1: me in your stand up, and I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to date you, and you do stand

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Speaker 1: up you have a podcast, he's willing to be in.

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Speaker 1: It's all right, good, you gotta come along for the ride.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's like, if you don't want to be

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Speaker 1: be part of my life, right because your life is

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Speaker 1: about what's going on. My life is comedy, you know.

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Speaker 1: I talked about what's going on. So if people don't

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Speaker 1: to be part of this anyway. So you know what,

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Speaker 1: let's just get back to crime. You know what really

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Speaker 1: matters today. We're gonna be talking about an Arizona man

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Speaker 1: It was a hit and run. A woman calling out

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Speaker 1: an Indiana pastor for taking her virgin virginity at sixteen.

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Speaker 1: murders of Dennis and normal Wood Druffe. A feel like

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Speaker 1: we just got to clarify one thing, because we said

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Speaker 1: to be honest, that's just sheep going to jail is

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Speaker 1: kind of a hilarious thought. But also people are dead,

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Speaker 1: so the first story. You know, look, I know that

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Speaker 1: google this guy because we're about to roast the ship

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Speaker 1: out of him. Sorry, sorry, but this man looks like

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Speaker 1: an overgrown potato. He looks like he swallowed a brick.

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Speaker 1: He does. He does have some sort of melting um

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Speaker 1: we're we're coming out. We're not shaming this guy because

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Speaker 1: killed someone on a bike and took off. If we're

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Speaker 1: not allowed to roast murderers, who are we allowed to roast. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it looks like he's got a thyroid issue.

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Speaker 1: M Do you think he has tonsilitis amongst the stuff. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it does look like when you get um an ice

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Speaker 1: he looks now ed from ninety fiance won't feel so alone. Yes, good,

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Speaker 1: he's got a twin brother. Well, let's so let's explain

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Speaker 1: and it's like you're in a you're in a truck

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Speaker 1: guy doesn't blend into a crowd. No, he sure does not.

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Speaker 1: The Sheriff's office received multiple calls for the collision involving

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Speaker 1: best case scenario. You get out and you help him.

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Speaker 1: This guy kept going, therefore dragging this guy and ultimately

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Speaker 1: you're making it worse. Anytime someone runs, it's basically showing

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Speaker 1: to do you run. So apparently he was biking. Cooper

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Speaker 1: like we said, not the right thing to do. Two,

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Speaker 1: not this guy. I don't put him in the same

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Speaker 1: Like that's where we're at with this guy. It looks

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Speaker 1: I just he did. He did because he was so

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Speaker 1: and not to be lost in this in the in

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Speaker 1: the roasting that we're doing with him, or the anger

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Speaker 1: And we don't know at what point he died, but

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Speaker 1: I can guarantee you if he dragged him and then

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Speaker 1: I wonder. Yeah, man, this is one of those things

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Speaker 1: because it's so strange. Yeah, I mean, it could have

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Speaker 1: I was throwing myself in the category with you. I

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Speaker 1: figured you were already in that category of not being um.

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Speaker 1: but you're making it harder on on everybody, and you're

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Speaker 1: being selfish and you're yeah self or whatever. Okay, anyway,

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Speaker 1: Happy Pride month. Alright, So we're moving along to our

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Speaker 1: next hot topic. This one is so bonkers, you guys.

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Speaker 1: A sheep has found guilty and sentenced to three years

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Speaker 1: in jail for killing a woman in Africa. I think

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Speaker 1: that a sheep has been found guilty and has been

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Speaker 1: sentenced to prison. I think Peter has gone too far

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Speaker 1: this time. We don't they don't need equal rights, you

431
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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like this is the vegan movement

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Speaker 1: has to stop. I've never heard of an animal being

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Speaker 1: sent to prison. No, this is bizarre. So the sheep

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Speaker 1: has been found guilty and sentenced to three years in

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Speaker 1: jail for killing a woman in Sudan, Africa, in an

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Speaker 1: area called a Coulo. I probably mispronounced that I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: you to Matrid. It's reported that earlier this month, the

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Speaker 1: police in South Sudan took a sheep into custody. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that they interrogated it? Where were you the

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Speaker 1: night of April fifteen at nine pm? You know, it's

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Speaker 1: like what um? After it attacked a forty five year

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Speaker 1: old woman named a Dude Chapping. It's reported that the

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Speaker 1: ram repeatedly headbutted her and broke her ribs. Now, I

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Speaker 1: gotta know what the sheep said. Its motive was right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but that's the thing. We we interrogated it,

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Speaker 1: it was found it found it guilty. It's like okay,

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Speaker 1: so but also so unfortunately, while she was recovering from

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Speaker 1: the sheep attack, she passed away from her injuries. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say, but they literally

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Speaker 1: said they apprehended the ram and then put it into custody.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's Do you think it's a there's

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Speaker 1: a bail set for it. So I mean, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: put sent this to three years in jail. So there

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Speaker 1: are they gonna put this sheep in a in a prison, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, is just a zoo, right, because when

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Speaker 1: you put an animal behind bars, it's a zoo. First

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Speaker 1: of all, clap clap, clap, Peter loves you. Second of all,

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Speaker 1: the owner, by the way, they said, is innocent and

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Speaker 1: the ram is the one who penetrated the crime. Perpetrated

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Speaker 1: I'm I I have something on the mind. Who knows

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Speaker 1: what it could be, but um, I'm gonna need a moment. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can take the girl out of Paris, but you

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Speaker 1: can't take that I'm gonna stop the girl. Okay, alright,

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Speaker 1: So the owner is innocent and the ram is the

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Speaker 1: one who perpetrated the crime, so it deserves to be arrested.

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Speaker 1: And apparently the ram was a neighbor of this woman.

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Speaker 1: And then later on they said that the case will

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Speaker 1: be forwarded to customary court where the case can be

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Speaker 1: handled amicably. Okay, So I appreciate the fact that the

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Speaker 1: owner is innocent, because unless he trained this sheep to

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Speaker 1: head butt and like showed her showed him a picture

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Speaker 1: and center after that, then you know, fine, So I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that the owner is not being you know, dragged

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Speaker 1: into something because his sheep did something ridiculous. I agree wholeheartedly. However,

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Speaker 1: I think everyone probably listening to this podcast or you know,

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Speaker 1: at least that lives in the United States, is used

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Speaker 1: to when when an animal attacks and kills someone, that

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Speaker 1: animal is then euthanized. Yes, like when dogs bite humans,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Right, and that fact, there was a story

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Speaker 1: I just saw this morning. There was a nine year

481
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Speaker 1: old in like Washington that was playing hide and seek

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Speaker 1: outside and I I was like a mountain, lion or

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Speaker 1: something attacked her. She's in the hospital. I believe she's

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Speaker 1: going to be fine, but it's like so something like that, right,

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Speaker 1: remember the kid that fell in the zoo in Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: and the and then they ended up, you know, killing

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Speaker 1: the gorilla like this. I'm not I'm not taking one

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Speaker 1: side of the other, but that's the stuff that happens.

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Speaker 1: The fact that this sheep is being sentenced to prison

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Speaker 1: shows you a difference in these countries. Well. Also, if

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Speaker 1: the sheep was a person, wouldn't they be put under

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Speaker 1: death row perhaps perhaps or whatever, depending on what the

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Speaker 1: laws are there. Yeah, I don't know what the I

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Speaker 1: think that's what it comes down to. It's a good point.

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Speaker 1: Whatever the laws are, they're they're very bizarre. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how many animals the animals they have killing humans

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Speaker 1: there and how many times they've had a trial like this.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like they were scrambling for pressing it right. Well. Also,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, how long did the sheep live? Because

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Speaker 1: three years could be a life sentence. True, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the lifespan of a sheep. I think

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Speaker 1: it's time to go to break And this has been

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Speaker 1: an episode of stupid news coming to you live by

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Speaker 1: be right back, and don't commit any crimes while you

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Speaker 1: listen to a fabulous app bear ba hey, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to real time crime folks, Sam, your hostly A Lamar,

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Speaker 1: and I have with me Dmitri Pappas Pampas Pampas PAPIs sorry,

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Speaker 1: Tom Trie episode likes living in Hell. Okay, Hollywood was

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Speaker 1: the baby? All Right, you guys, it's time for our

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Speaker 1: drum roll please main case of the day. There's a

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Speaker 1: very fast. Drum roll, Thank you you guys. This show

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Speaker 1: Double Life, Double Murder is now streaming on Hulu and

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Speaker 1: there's a twenty investigation. Now. If you have not heard

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Speaker 1: about the murders of a married couple, Dennis and Normal Woodruff,

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Speaker 1: you're about two. So what happened? Here's the nitty gritty.

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Speaker 1: A friend discovered married couple Dennis and Normal Wouldroffe murdered

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Speaker 1: in their home located in Rose City, Texas, in October

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Speaker 1: two thousand five. Authorities quickly suspected the couple's son, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: who was the last person to see his parents alive.

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Speaker 1: According to reports, Brandon had dinner with his parents and

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Speaker 1: leader left for Abilene. Friends of Brandon testified that he

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Speaker 1: was supposed to pick them up at five PM and

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Speaker 1: Dallas the day of the murder for right to Abilene University,

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Speaker 1: but didn't arrive until ten pm. After ten pm, Dennis

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Speaker 1: and Norma not good. Doesn't look good for Brandon. Dennis

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Speaker 1: and Norma were found with bullets and stab wounds to

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Speaker 1: their necks and faces. So this is a huge act

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Speaker 1: of violence, right because someone wouldn't normally be dead after

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Speaker 1: one bullet perhaps one stab wound, but it wasn't. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't a just a quick crime where you think, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, what have I done? Clearly when you follow

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Speaker 1: stuff up with more, right, whoever, this person was really

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Speaker 1: one of these people dead dead dead dead for sure.

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Speaker 1: The mother had multiple gunshots to the face and her

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Speaker 1: throat was slit, so you know, someone who was very

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Speaker 1: angry or really wanted to make sure that there was

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Speaker 1: no chance that they would live. Okay, So the sun

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Speaker 1: is the is the main suspect, and like, like we

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Speaker 1: pointed out, he was supposed to be somewhere at five,

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Speaker 1: he didn't show up till after ten. If it's legitimately,

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Speaker 1: is just a case of running five hours late. Not

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Speaker 1: the great not the best day for that to have

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Speaker 1: that have been done. Okay, So then authorities say I

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Speaker 1: recovered weapon, a dagger with one of the doms DNA

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Speaker 1: that they said belonged to Brandon could have been used

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Speaker 1: in the crime, and they found it in a barn,

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Speaker 1: and investigators argued that the dagger was the weapon used

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Speaker 1: to stab the couple, but Brandon claimed that his father

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Speaker 1: had accidentally cut his hand with it long before. This

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Speaker 1: is starting to sound like the amount of ox case

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Speaker 1: records show that there were no signs of forced entry

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Speaker 1: or stolen items, and that the killer had cleaned up

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Speaker 1: in a bathroom of the home before fleeing. This scene

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Speaker 1: sounds like someone who A knew the property well, b

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Speaker 1: had access to the property. See, didn't want anything besides

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Speaker 1: the death of these two people. Right, um, D knew

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Speaker 1: where the bathrooms we were and felt felt clear enough

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Speaker 1: on whatever these two people's schedules were, that no one

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Speaker 1: else was going to come to the house at any

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Speaker 1: point for anything, right, good point, because they felt they

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Speaker 1: had enough time to clean up in the bathroom. Brandon

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Speaker 1: was arrested six days later after authorities found irregularities in

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Speaker 1: his testimony. Oh really Okay, so you guys, now we

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Speaker 1: get into the nitty gritty. A jury found Brandon guilty

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Speaker 1: after hearing from the persecution that Brandon had killed his

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Speaker 1: parents to receive their life insurance and live freely his

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Speaker 1: secret life as a gay man in Dallas. So apparently

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Speaker 1: he was going back and forth from university where he

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Speaker 1: would go to Dallas and actually go out of state

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Speaker 1: from Texas to film adult movies. Ak he was doing porn,

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Speaker 1: gay porn, and he was a gay man in this

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Speaker 1: other life that he had, but he even had a girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: and I guess he was just living a full on

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Speaker 1: double life. So he was sentenced to life in prison

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Speaker 1: without the possibility of parole. He's already served thirteen years

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Speaker 1: of his life sentence and he maintains that he is innocent.

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Speaker 1: He claims that this is an anti gay bias influenced

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Speaker 1: people and the jury in his Texas Bible Belt City

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Speaker 1: did not want him to be free, and since they

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Speaker 1: had no other suspects, they just wanted to pin it

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Speaker 1: on him, and Brandon says that he was falsely characterized

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Speaker 1: as a wild gay man who was living a double

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Speaker 1: life by the persecution in order to convince a very

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Speaker 1: conservative jury. He said, I'm innocent. I didn't kill my

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Speaker 1: parents at all. I think you should look at the

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Speaker 1: totality of the evidence instead of pointing to any other information.

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Speaker 1: Although I did read that I guess his mom had

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Speaker 1: blonde hairs in her hand when she was found dead,

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Speaker 1: and they never tested the DNA on it, and they

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Speaker 1: don't know where the hair is now. He does have

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Speaker 1: blonde a share, by the way, and you would assume

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Speaker 1: that it was her trying to defend herself against the

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Speaker 1: killer and that would probably really lock In this case,

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Speaker 1: authorities claimed that Brandon was living this double life, skipping

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Speaker 1: college classes, going to Dallas for wild adventures. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is usually what the what um what the prosecution

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Speaker 1: does when they're trying to pin it on some and

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Speaker 1: as they paint someone a villain, which is exactly what

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Speaker 1: happened to a man in Ox case, when that Italian

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Speaker 1: prosecutor was trying to paint her as Foxy Knoxy, you know,

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Speaker 1: this sex enthused center who was having these like villainous

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Speaker 1: sex parties that were Satan involved. It's like what anyway,

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Speaker 1: so they try to character but so and you could

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Speaker 1: see why this would work in a small Texas town.

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Speaker 1: Exactly having like weird you know, weird homosexual you know

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Speaker 1: parties and filming that is enough to get people in

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Speaker 1: a small Texas town riled up and wanting to shut

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Speaker 1: that down. So you could see that as as potentially

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Speaker 1: what happened. Right, And so his grandmother, Bonnie, has stood

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Speaker 1: by his innocence, paying for his legal fees and supporting

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Speaker 1: his attempts to appeal his conviction. The Innocence Project of

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Speaker 1: Texas is now reviewing his case and the gun connected

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Speaker 1: to the killings was never found, but it's believed he

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Speaker 1: stole a gun from his ex girlfriend's mother's house, and

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Speaker 1: apparently the mother said that the gun and bullets were missing,

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Speaker 1: and it is exactly the type of bullets that were

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Speaker 1: found at the scene, and it's very possible he had

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Speaker 1: been there the weekend before that he had stolen the gun,

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Speaker 1: but no one can prove it because they haven't found

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Speaker 1: the gun. But it seems a little too convenient in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, that she is in fact telling the truth.

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Speaker 1: The problem for him is he says, don't look at

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Speaker 1: the fact that I had this other life going on.

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Speaker 1: Look at the what do you say that the totality, right,

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Speaker 1: And he said, look at that. But right now, that's

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Speaker 1: all still pointing to him, right, there's no other suspect. Look,

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Speaker 1: he grew up super popular that he was really beloved.

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Speaker 1: He was outgoing, he was an animal lover. He was

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Speaker 1: president of the Future Farmers of America. He had a

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Speaker 1: steady girlfriend, and he was voted most school spirit. So

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Speaker 1: you know, when you have someone who's painted as this

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Speaker 1: really good kid, it's um away for them to say, no,

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Speaker 1: how could it be him? He's so gentle, he's so lovely,

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Speaker 1: everyone loved him. He couldn't be him being the murderer.

636
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: I find the Yeah, I find the life insurance thing

637
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: a little more difficult to believe because but I know

638
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: people do this, but killing people doesn't get you that

639
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: life insurance right away. You're going to be a suspect,

640
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: especially because of it. I can't imagine that he did

641
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: this because he wanted that. It seems way too careless.

642
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: I just wonder if it's FROs But that could be

643
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: a reason, because if you start back a second, you

644
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: froze there, you said. I just wonder. I just wonder

645
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: if his parents were against homosexuality, and so he felt

646
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: like he could never be himself or come out. And

647
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's something that's just been brewing for a while. Maybe,

648
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: and that's certainly a storyline that that could be feasible.

649
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: But know, just leave, man, leave. We need a motive.

650
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: And and so that's the other thing is like I

651
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: want more information about this case, and obviously I think

652
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: we'll receive it on But apparently eight of the twelve

653
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: jurors admitted to believing homosexuality was morally wrong. Do you

654
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: think that they should have been able to serve on

655
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: the jury. No, no, I don't. Uh no, I don't,

656
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: because that's the main thing that they're painting him with.

657
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: And you know, then you're getting into his lifestyle. Is

658
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: fine if if he was doing those things, that is

659
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: in his right to do. But that's what it goes

660
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: back to what we said earlier in the show. You

661
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: can't then have someone come in that's super religious and

662
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: be like, no, I think that's wrong. Therefore I think

663
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: he killed his parents. There's two different things. I know.

664
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: I also, you know it took him thirteen years to

665
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: finally give a TV interview and explain why he's innocent.

666
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: That seems like a very long time. I feel like

667
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: you would want to do earlier if you were Indeed,

668
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: I feel like you would want to do that earlier.

669
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: This feels like some sort of weird last Hurrah cry

670
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: for attention, wait to Gardner support. I don't even know.

671
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know who the other suspects are.

672
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: It just seems like all science point to him. But

673
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: I think the question is why is it really all

674
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: about this life? Like, did anybody interview the grandmother? Was

675
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: she on the stand during this the grandmother that supports

676
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: him that I don't know, because I'd like to hear

677
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: her story about the about the family dynamic and this

678
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: and that and why she thinks he didn't do it

679
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: or what I mean. Listen, this is this is the

680
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: movie Watcher and me going into this. But it's like

681
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: who knows, you know, like American Beauty, who knows what's

682
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: going on with the dad? Right? Who knows what the

683
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: situation was growing up, if there was any kind of

684
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: physical abuse or this and that. So I think all

685
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff plays into this. I don't

686
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: think you can just pit it on that he was

687
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: a while guy. And this reminds me of did you

688
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: ever hear that there was that case, um, that whole

689
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: family got murdered in like Indiana and wanted It was

690
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: a pastor and his family and this is Wasn't this

691
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: a case we covered last week Piketown massacres. No, this

692
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: is oh no, no, no, this is a different family

693
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: that murdered people, got it, got my mom? So the

694
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: whole family, well, I mean sorry, there's so many of them,

695
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: so and so. Um, what it came out to was

696
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: everybody said, oh, the father and his son were fighting,

697
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: the son wanted to go to the prom. Father said no,

698
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 1: So then they said he went and killed his whole

699
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: family because he wanted to go. Because then he went

700
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,959
Speaker 1: to the prom and they picked him up. I didn't

701
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: know his family was dead. It was this whole thing,

702
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, that's what it was. He was this

703
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: and they were all quick to point it out and

704
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: to shut the case. And this that now another true

705
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: crime podcast. And I don't mind giving their name because

706
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: they don't do what we do. But they counterclock did

707
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: something and they went through and investigated this whole thing,

708
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: and now they're like, oh, there was a tie where

709
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: somebody owed money in Florida and they found this whole

710
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: other thing going on. And that kind of reminds me

711
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: of this story because it's so obvious that it was

712
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: this guy. But you know what, if you had people

713
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: that knew what they were doing, they could have shown

714
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: up and they would make it seem like it was

715
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: They could easily make it seem like it was someone else.

716
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: Get out of there, clean up what they needed to

717
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: clean up, get out of there, and make it seem like, oh,

718
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: the son's the obvious choice. So I don't I can't

719
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: say for a percent that that he did it, because

720
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of variables in play. Well.

721
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: Apparently authorities claimed that his timeline of events were super

722
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: inconsistent when he was asked about the murders. And you know,

723
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: we've seen this before where they get forced confection force

724
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: confessions because they're nervous or shocked or or physically harmed

725
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: into giving a false confession. They just want to go home,

726
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: or they want to take a deal or whatever it is,

727
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: because they're scared and afraid. But apparently so they were

728
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: killed in a brand new home. They moved to a

729
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: new home. They were downsizing, and they were killed in

730
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: their new home. And according to the timeline, there was

731
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: maybe about like nineteen minutes in between when people actually

732
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: saw Brandon and the last phone call that was made

733
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: to the mom by someone else that the murders could

734
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: have happened in if it was Brandon. And that's a

735
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: pretty short amount of time. It is a short amount

736
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: of time. And did they go out to dinner or

737
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: were they because I would love to know if they

738
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: were out to dinner, I'd love to know people that

739
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: saw them there was that, you know, a contentious dinner.

740
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: Were they arguing where they there was between them, any

741
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: any people that saw them before that, and the grandmother

742
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from. Yeah, it's interesting because this

743
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: is a little reminiscent of the Gabby Petito Brian laundry case,

744
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: where you know, you see all these photos on Instagram

745
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: and then being a super happy couple and everything's hunky dory,

746
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: and then when you look at the nitty gritty, they're

747
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: fighting constantly and there's physical and verbal abuse happening regularly,

748
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: and we just really don't know what the picture looks

749
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: like up close and personal. But that's also don't know

750
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: until it becomes a TV movie, exactly until Netflix luss, Now,

751
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: what's up? You know? Man? This case is so heartbreaking,

752
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: but it's interesting because there are just no other suspects,

753
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: at least in the amount of Knox case. There was

754
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 1: another suspect, like there's usually or theories, even theories. There's

755
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: there are no theories about anyone else, right, No, and

756
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that there isn't you know, something like

757
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: guy was pointing up before there could be something someone

758
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: could have stopped by in between that time. So so

759
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: random and seems so unbelievable, but to be honest, all

760
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: of this seems so unbelievable because that's just not who

761
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: we are. But it goes back to what we said,

762
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: man like, if you're there are plenty of people that

763
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: don't like their kids, There are plenty of kids that

764
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: don't like their parents. Just if if, if they don't

765
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: agree with your life, just move on. Just you know,

766
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: there's always the possibility of new neighborhood. Maybe people saw

767
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: who was moving in. Maybe maybe we don't know what

768
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: the parents were involved in, and there was something much

769
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: cheaper happening, just like in the Piketown murders where then

770
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: suddenly they started chasing it back to Carton. Well whatever

771
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: they chase down to um anyway. Um, So yeah, we

772
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: just don't know. But I would suggest watching the Hulu

773
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: show Double Life, Double Murder, And what do you guys think?

774
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: What do you guys think? Do you think that Brandon

775
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: killed his parents brutally murdered his parents for life insurance

776
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: so that he could start his life anew and have freedom.

777
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: Do you think that? Or do you think that this

778
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: case will probably go unsolved and that they may never

779
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: find the killer. Yeah, I mean call and let us know,

780
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: But I think me personally, the life insurance seems like

781
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: a far fetched to me, but I know people have

782
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: done it, and I could buy that the jury was

783
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: a little skewed because it was a small town of

784
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: Texas and what his lifestyle was doesn't mean he didn't

785
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: do it. That's I mean. I could also if I

786
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: want to go running why old with my thoughts here,

787
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: I could think maybe somebody set him up to be

788
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: guilty because of that, because they had a problem with that,

789
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: because they had a problem to parents or whatever. So oh,

790
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: the plot thick ends Tomitri right, good, good one. I'm

791
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: gonna virtually high five you appreciate that, Yeah, guys, d

792
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: M s let us know what you think. Also for

793
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: the people who are sending me d ms like hey,

794
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: I've got two crimes for you with video that no

795
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: one knows about. I don't want those. Please send them

796
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: to the police. I am very worried about those. Yeah, yeah,

797
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: or send them to Dmitri. I'm not the person that

798
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: should be looking at those, um, but I do appreciate it.

799
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: Especially has a boyfriend. She spends way less time in

800
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: her M just kidding, she's there. Keep writing to her. No,

801
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: my manager told me he was like, uh so you're

802
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: getting some weird d M s. And I was like, okay,

803
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 1: cool anyway, but do call us, you know, like why

804
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: not call us and leave a voicemail. And if the

805
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: voicemails like, hey, I saw these two crimes and I've

806
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: got videos, fine, fine, but you know, just let us

807
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: know if there's a casey thing we should look into.

808
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: We're always having our eyes and ears open for the

809
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: hot tips, except for when they should go to the

810
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: police directly. Well, but I also feel comfortable to listen

811
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: if you if this is what are safe space, and

812
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: you want to bring it to us, then we can

813
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,479
Speaker 1: discuss it and maybe send it onto the police. Yeah. Actually, yes,

814
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: you're right, Dmitri. You're right, You're right, right right, if

815
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: you have information, get it out there, you know what.

816
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: I guess, that's what we're here for. And if you've

817
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: committed a crime and you're trying to make it better

818
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: on yourself by not coming clean, just don't make it

819
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: make it easy and clean on our voicemail. That's not

820
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: that's not wearable. But but if we're are safe before

821
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 1: your safe space, this is right. Disagree, agains you know what, fine,

822
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 1: call us, but you know, I keep the really intense

823
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: ones off the voicemail. I mean, I guess they're all intense.

824
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: Huh No. It's like if you're like, oh, I committed

825
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 1: petty theft and stole the staplers from my old place

826
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: of work, you know, let us know. Yeah. Wow. If

827
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, why Jay walked in l A, you know,

828
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: keep that to yourself. That's very serious. It's very very serious. Yeah,

829
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: we don't. We can't handle something like that. That's a

830
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: crime punishable by death in Los Angeles. Imagine if a

831
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: sheep jay walked. All right, Well, I think we've come

832
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: to I think we've come to the end. And just

833
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: as a reminder, you guys, the voicemail is eight six

834
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: six twenty one crime. That's eight six six twenty one crime,

835
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: eight six six twenty one crime. That's eight six six

836
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: two on two seven four six three. I just love

837
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: the fact that Adam is sitting there in this room

838
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: watching like you had to do that in front of

839
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: him and he had to sit there and watch it.

840
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: You guys still together. He's passed out. Do you think

841
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: we bored him to death? I just looked over to

842
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: see his look of mortification. And in fact there was nothing.

843
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: He's just he's sleeping. And I will say that he

844
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: is committing a crime right now because I've told him

845
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: a million times. But I'm like, no outside clothes on

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Speaker 1: the bed and he's passed out on the pillows where

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Speaker 1: I put my face with his dirty jeans. Um, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have a talk about this. This relationship is over

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Speaker 1: before it started. You guys follow us on Real Time

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Speaker 1: Crime Pod on Instagram. You can find me at le

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Speaker 1: Lamar with two rs on Instagram, Twitter, my Lee Lamar

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Speaker 1: dot com and Leon Lamar at five hours on TikTok

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Speaker 1: for show dates. Usually just Instagram is the place to

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Speaker 1: find me. I will be back in l A next week,

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Speaker 1: so I will start doing shows in l A again.

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Speaker 1: I will be at the Improv. I got some other

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Speaker 1: shows lined up already and I think I'll be doing

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Speaker 1: some shows in London Sunday Monday. So if you're in

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Speaker 1: London and you hear this Maniana, comma see me, do

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Speaker 1: you have me? I'll give you my schedule. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what that was. I think that's Italian and then

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Speaker 1: and that was that's the only place I haven't been

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Speaker 1: to in Europe. Since I got here, I mean, besides

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Speaker 1: all the other places. I no offense, but I don't

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Speaker 1: need to go to Germany. Been there, genetically done that. Um,

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Speaker 1: they can you know whatever. I just so Dmitri, we

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Speaker 1: can find you on the internet. Just had Dmitri pappas.

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Speaker 1: They had Dmitri Papas. Yeah, you don't need the Southern

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Speaker 1: accent when you write it a s. Dmitri, Do you

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Speaker 1: hate me? I do? Not really happy. It's better than

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Speaker 1: people who go papas. Anyway, you guys, this has been real. UM,

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Speaker 1: love you so much. Stay safe out there. Don't commend

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Speaker 1: me crimes. Talk to you next week. Bye. It's real

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Speaker 1: time crop real time gro I mean, is it actually

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Speaker 1: real time? I'm anything? Is that thing we say? We say?

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Speaker 1: Got it? Okay, see you next for more real time crime,

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Speaker 1: only on I Heart Radio.