WEBVTT - EP 68: Heroin Inheritance w Cavario Hunter 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:04.200 You tuned into the Gangster Chronicles podcast with Saints McDonald, 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:08.559 Rachie Ray Jr. And you Hunter, one of the dicks 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:13.920 of soap Bus Network. You don't come do you think 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:21.439 you're something new? I absume kind of fact the moha right, boys, 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.119 I want to shoot their way at the top of 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:29.240 the class. You gotta like Nijia, you gotta wear around 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:35.080 matter of fact on my lovevation. Right now, you are 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.199 gonna wake up one morning with your best part up 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:41.520 into your mon I like to welcome everybody to another 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.280 episode of Against the Chronicles. My name is Big Steel 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.200 with my host James McDonald, and we've got a special 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.920 brother here to nightmare all the way from Harlem World, 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:53.920 the world famous Harlow Boy Cavario. What's correcting with your 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:56.400 broke man? Everything is everything, loved one. I'm just head 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.120 happy to be here and honored to be amongst men 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.920 over sure, man, I'm glad that we have you in here. Man, 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:06.440 I'm a big fan of UM Done. I'm a big 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.800 fan of Don Deva magazine, man, huge fan. I probably 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.400 have about fifty UM. I probably have fifty of the 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.399 magazines in my closet right now. My wife always gets 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.400 mad until I don't you throw those magazines away? I 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.680 got you know, you guys man the source in there, 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.400 you know, just classic magazines. Man, I figured it would 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.000 be a value one day. Well the games brother, the 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:31.920 information that was captured in Don Diva magazine, Um, it's 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:35.080 only chronicle there. There's nowhere else that that. There's no 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:39.240 other historical record. And you know, I spent my time 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:43.960 in the midst like like really in the um the 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:48.440 point of birth for a lot of things during the 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.280 time and doing that. So the stuff that I got 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:56.600 was very like firsthand and it doesn't exist anywhere else 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.480 but in my publication, on my formal publication, so you 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.160 know it's valuable and that you won't find that information 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.360 and we else. And it's definitely full of information, not 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.919 just stories, exactly a lot of a lot of information. 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.720 And um, I won't lie. When I first started thinking 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:15.480 about the richinal like premise for the Gangster chronicles, Don 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.280 Deva Magazine was one of my blueprints. You know, it's 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.280 one of my blueprints. I kind of took a blueprint 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.520 a used proof from from down Devon always get people 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:27.799 their credit, you know, from Don Diva from um the 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.480 where's the guy, Heraldo Rivera just the whole investigative type 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.840 of journalism thing. And so I wanted a specific skill 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:36.400 set when I was looking for the host, you know 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.840 what I mean. I wanted specific you know, skill set forward. 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.720 So I'm like talking to my glass, you talking to 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.560 glasses alone, and I'm telling him, I'm like, man, I 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:46.600 got an idea for this show and we kind of 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.079 just started perfecting it. And so I'm like, man, I 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:50.720 probably never be able to find a host that can 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:52.760 pull that, you know, pull that kind of thing off. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:57.280 So I'm looking at YouTube one day and uh, I 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.360 see this guy right here, and so I'm listening to 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.120 the story and use, y'all look at something, you know, 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.000 you look at people. You kind of getting number to media, 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:06.560 you know. So ILL used to look at something for 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.079 the first two or three minutes and just kind of 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:12.240 just whatever. But it's like, um, I'm looking at this 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.040 guy right here, and it's almost like I got a 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.680 wondering to his soul. It was just like like I 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.760 was it was almost like he was having a conversation 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.800 with me, but it was through the screen. I was 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.280 listening to it. I said, that's the guy right there. 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:26.799 So I gotta go find him. And when I get 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:28.919 in that mode, like I gotta find somebody, I usually 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.120 i'm using successful. So you know, here we go today. 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:37.800 Um damn, I appreciate that. Um I can. I can, 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.320 honesgely say. I don't look at much stuff like that. 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.800 I don't. I don't all of this. It happened, but 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.680 I'm not taking my shop to be big hitted or 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:49.840 none of another ship like that. And I'm just the 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:51.960 nature of the thing is the nature of the thing, man. Yeah, 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.880 I'm choking it in. I'm loving it, and I mean 0:03:56.000 --> 0:04:00.000 it's good for me. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. It's cool, 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:06.600 you know. So in you forming don Dieva, Man, how 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:08.440 did you come up with that concept? Like what was 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.760 your thought? I'm going to start a magazine and I'm 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.000 just gonna be about the Illers gangster ship ever, like, 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.760 like what was the premise? Man? You know? It's interesting, right, 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.200 there's a lot of stories from what I heard really 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.719 in the periphery because I don't pay attention to the bullshit, 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.760 but about how the magazine came to be. And there 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.160 are stories where somebody implied that it was their idea. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:32.560 It's the furthest thing from the truth. There was no 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:36.400 one's idea to create Don Diva magazine at all. I 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.640 write about that. Uh, the I called the accidental birth 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.960 of a brand um in the beginning of this this 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.239 is the Non Divil book or Gangsters and Young Guns. 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.360 And to give you a brief synopsis without giving too 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:53.920 much away, in that particular thing is um. The product 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.520 that people thought was a magazine was really a promo 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:02.279 for an entertainment company that we intended to go into 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:06.359 film and television. That's why the first logo that I 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.440 created was a half of Film Real and half a CD, 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.080 or a half of c D and half a Film Real. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:11.719 So if you take a circle, cut it in half, 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.440 you gotta d make you know what I mean, boom 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:18.120 half the CD boom, half the film Real entertainment. So 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.159 all of the first magazines say Don Diva Entertainment because 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:25.440 that first promo we made for the Don Diva Entertainment Company, 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.320 That's what the logo was on it. So when people 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.920 thought it was a magazine, they started asking, you know, 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.760 we're gonna do another magazine. I was like, oh uh, 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:38.600 this was December of ninety nine. Oh, next month, in 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:42.480 January two thousand was our first actual, conscious, deliberate effort 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:47.800 to create a magazine. It a little too loud, A 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:58.719 little too loud? Is that music I get out? So 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.000 this magazine and you had, this magazine was floating through 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.839 the prisons and all that heavy heavy. I had five 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:10.800 thousand subscribers in the present system here on New York, 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:17.560 all over the country country. I started in December ninety nine, 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:21.720 but the official launch was January two thousand, and I 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.080 did it from two thousand, January two thousand to August 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.720 of two thousand and six, when this was like, h 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.560 this is not going any further than it is, no 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:34.720 matter what effort UP put in your money. No, I 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.760 was making just enough to keep it growing, but not 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.200 really to support a lifestyle. Listening to this ship and 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.360 I get a little noise in the factory, Yeah yeah, 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.120 I thought that that juju was somebody's phone. But that's 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:52.479 what I was thinking, Is it my phone? Because I 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:57.560 still hear it. You hear you know, you had the 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:02.760 phone that shipping on the floor in the dough. That's cool, 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:11.600 but that ain't pick up? Okay, cool cool where um? 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:17.239 So officially it was January two thousand that it became Okay, 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:21.280 we're gonna do this magazine. But no one that was involved, 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:26.480 which was my my, my, my ex of many many 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.160 many relations, many exes ago at that, you know, at 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:33.280 this point. But UM, my ex and I and a 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:37.679 friend of ours, UM named Susan Hampstead, we were the 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:42.280 three that started this magazine. Um. The funds that came 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.840 that were used to get the few pieces of equipment, 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:50.000 you know, the programs and the computers to do it. 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.400 Once we decided this is what we're gonna do. Once 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:56.160 it was determined that the intent of the first promo 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.840 piece failed and people didn't pick up on the fact 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.080 that it was a promo for an entertainment company, thought 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.200 it was a magazine. It's like that didn't work out. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.680 It's like, well, wait, it did work out. So that 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:11.000 that bread that we initiated came from we initially started 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.560 when it came from older Jamaican gentleman, a friend of 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.240 mine named Tyrone. It was a week King Pen and 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.720 he got popped by the FEDS just before we started 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.840 the magazine. But my ex at the time was running 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:27.640 his record labels, independent record label, you know, so he 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.960 would hit her with funds like you know, every soul 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:32.840 every night ninety days or so. He just hit her 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.000 with a few hundred thousand dollars. So he had just 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.839 hit her before he got locked. And once he got locked, 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.640 he told her, well, take the money in transferred from 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.640 my account to your account whatever this and you know, 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.120 get you know, moved out the way whatever. Happy and 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.960 so he he just recently told me it's like maybe 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.240 like six months ago, you know, now this is in. 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.800 He just recently told me. It's that, he said, Yo, 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.400 I left. I left with three thirty five thousand dollars. 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:01.200 I know I did, but it was not my business 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:03.719 that she worked for the guy, you know what I mean. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.520 And we weren't together what it was two years after 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.599 our relationship was over, you know what I mean. We 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.520 owned cars and home together whatever ever. But you know, 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.240 other than that, we're just family. So you guys just 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:17.559 kind of just at that point then, no, this is 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.320 at the beginning of don Diva. But when I when 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.000 when I ultimately left, when I left on Diva, that's 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.960 when I was like, you know, yeah, I'm I don't 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.520 want to continue to be entangled with this person going forth. 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.160 So I immediately changed my numb and everything, and you 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.000 know that was that. Then later we saw the Hip 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.480 Hop Weekly. This was away from it. There was nothing 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:41.080 to it. The value in it was it was the 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.840 adventures of me. Anybody that knows, Anybody who was around 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.200 and saw me saw it anywhere. If you saw it, 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.400 you saw me. So what you saw in Don Diva 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.560 was whatever I was doing, whomever I was hanging with, 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:58.640 right and when I uh, you know, when I was 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.160 doing what I was doing. Um, every dime that came 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:06.400 in went to the bare minimum of my maintenance and 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.760 back into the magazine, just just to give it, just 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:12.920 to give it this edge. This is this is right here. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.000 It's called a perfect bound. Right now. When I first 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.640 started the magazine that I had no idea perfect bounds, 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.040 saddle stits saddle stitches, the one where you see it, 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:25.080 it's folded, it's increased end, sharp end, just to go 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:29.040 from that look to a more official magazine look and 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:32.120 give it this perfect bound. That was an additional three 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:36.120 thousand dollars added to the cost of printing. At that point, 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.160 we weren't even doing more than fifty tho magazines, but 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.440 I was selling every single one of them myself out 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.080 of my own hand, and I wrote a hundred percent 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:49.800 of the magazine UM nine of the time every picture 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:54.640 did all the distribution myself away from because I know 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.360 what it's like to start something. I know the cost 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.360 that goes into it, and I don't think people ever, 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.480 they don't think about the exponential costs. They don't think 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.520 about it. Most people have never created anything. Most people 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.920 have only worked for other people. They've come to a building. 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:09.800 They never thought about how did this building come to 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.040 exist and how did the businesses within it become to exist. 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.200 They don't think about that. It's it's just here. So 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.120 most people never had the experience of taking something from 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.560 a thought to bring it into fruition. They never had 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:22.560 that experience. So you can tell them anything about how 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.520 how you got what you have. You can tell them anything, 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.320 and they don't know what the process is. Yeah, exactly, 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.560 because you know, I think people they don't think about 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.200 just like websites, for example, Like we got about ten 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.640 different websites that we run, and they don't think about 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.640 how much that cost per month. They don't think about this, 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:39.599 they don't think about that. It's just a lot of 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.600 stuff that goes into it. So it's not just as 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.400 cut and dry because it kind of pissed me off 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:46.559 from people think, Okay, you just got a podcast, so 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.000 you just go somewhere every winds they go talking come home. No, 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:51.439 it's a lot of work that goes into that through 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.199 the week, and it's a seven day a week thing. 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.440 It's not just um at that moment. It's a seventh 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.320 day a week thing. So tell me, man, So you 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.440 say you just walked away from it, man, mm hmm. 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.760 What don't regrets or anything? None. Bro. When I started 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:08.280 Don Diva, I was fresh off the streets. I was 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.400 you know, my last few years in the street. I 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:15.640 spent my time, uh, picking up bread, meeting a cat 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:21.000 with a bag in the gym three four hours a day, uh, 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.920 and and reading four or five hours a day. My 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:29.560 last four years in the game. Huh. He was good. Yeah. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:35.000 I was on the block like every day. Like I 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:39.320 had spots in different cities, and I was I'd go 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.679 to blocks and be on blocks. I'll go out there 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:43.600 and do twelve hours on the block with my crew. 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:47.400 Everybody knows that. So you educated yourself. I educated myself. 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:53.240 I read three thousand books since nineteen and have not 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.600 been to Nobody's prison, and I read everything what they 0:12:55.640 --> 0:13:00.000 called polly Man. I read everything. I study everything, every subject, 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:05.959 quantum physics, metaphysics, history, biology, chemistry, everything that. I was 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:07.679 going to ask you if you had any type of 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.360 journalism background, because the magazine doing Don div Yeah, because 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.680 it was very well written. I was doing Don Diva. 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:18.480 But I've always had an appreciation for writing. I always 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.400 had an attraction to it in my um, in my 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:26.280 intro um I opened up with then just to put 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.920 this into perspective, this is this is my autobiography, right, 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.520 raised by wolves. I began writing that as like an 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:38.680 introspection when I decided I wasn't gonna, you know, sling 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.080 drugs anymore, right, And I did it very suddenly. You know. 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:43.960 I was home one day, had just come home off 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.880 the street, and I was like, I was doing my 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.600 thing in North Carolina and I was living in Atlanta, 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.280 and I was like, you know what, I'm tired. I 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.160 don't want I don't do it anymore. It was seventeen 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.720 and a half years, three generations in. I think the 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.000 streets have gotten enough of all blood, sweat and tears. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.600 And you hadn't got correct at that point. MM hmm. See, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.160 so you escaped the game man what they call a 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.320 statistical anomaly. Yeah, and that's a till that very few 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.559 people get to tell, you know, anybody level that you did, 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.760 because it's not like he was out there just moving zones, 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:20.320 you know what I mean? M hm, Yeah, absolutely, you know. Um, 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.400 and I came from a very organized system, so we 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.200 were very very systematic in our destruction, you know what 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:31.560 I'm saying. Um. So, you know, when I kind of 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:35.320 fall into this whole journalism thing, it all comes quite naturally, 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:40.040 and it's like everything that I did before had especially 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.960 equipped me to be effective in doing that. So when 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.640 I began writing this as my diary and just thinking 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:48.800 about what I was gonna do with the rest of 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.360 my life, and the self help books which I read 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.640 everyone that was created between eighty five and ninety five, 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.360 every self help book there was, I read, right, And 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:03.160 I don't just read it. I studied, like books of 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:07.400 my own that I've written in a response to the 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.080 information I was taking, because a lot of it said 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:14.600 engage with the information, you know, meaning you read something 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.240 that it impacts you know, people highlight Why why do 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.440 you highlight? You highlight? Because there's something about this particular 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.720 sentence or statement that resonates with you. So instead of 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:28.160 highlighting right it right the phrase or the paragraph, I've 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.920 written the whole pages, several of them, because it resonated 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:36.120 with me like that. And because I did that, and 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:41.280 writing is a psycho neural you know, activity, muscular activity, writing, 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:45.480 it imprinted on my sulbconscious it became me. So it 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:47.640 wasn't just something I knew it. It came something I 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:52.080 did because I understood the connection between what's happening in 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:59.760 here and what I'm doing in the world like that. Dude, 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:05.360 most people don't learning can pick up that concept. It 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:10.520 would take you so long to even condition yourself to 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.480 do that. Well, the thing is, I became aware of 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:18.760 that right and it became first my unconscious then conscious 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:23.960 um drive and motivation to figure out a way two 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:30.560 share exposed what I had become exposed to, which was 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:35.920 that information was the only thing that was truly gangster. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.680 Knowledge is the only thing truly gangster. Everything they think 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:45.520 it's period. So I wanted to um extend and expand 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.480 the whole concept of gangsterism since I knew they were 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:52.080 so so attracted to it. You know, and that's why 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.600 Don Diva read the way to read. I wrote stories 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:59.600 or articles in Don Diva in two thousand about the 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.920 the chi and chipping plantation and where the chip came from. 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.280 You know what the chip, who created, what they created for, 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.720 and what it was then used for after the creator 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:12.960 created it. Remember reading an article? Right, that kind of 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.560 information never makes its way to uh those of us 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.600 who will be most impacted by the lack of information. Right. 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.560 So I knew there was a thousand a million of 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.719 the means out there who just needed to have somebody 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.920 who understood that information and understood them well enough that 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.639 they could convey the information to them and they can 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.040 understand its relevance in their life. That's all. That is 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:37.120 my purpose. That is the reason I get up every day, 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:41.000 to the reason I opened my mouth, because that is 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.720 most important. That there's nothing. Here's the big problem to that. 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:51.000 Solutions I'm trying to and and I'm gonna give you one. 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.720 The problem with that is a lot of people in 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:58.960 the hood today can relate to the way you explain 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:04.359 things and and certain things they he he's thinking like this, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.960 He's thinking, I don't understand what you're talking about. So 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.959 they not let me turn from this. Let me not 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.320 what you mean you mean, because I'm not saying you 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.040 know what I'm saying, my nigga, like check this ship out, 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.400 but do like on some real ship. You gotta think, son, 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:19.360 when you're going out there and doing this ship you're doing, 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:20.680 you gotta be like, yo, so I'm gonna gona he 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.360 get this motherfucker back right what I'm saying, like when 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.719 you go get that motherfucking back, Like just understand something, like, 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.439 my nigga, I'm only talking away. I'm talking because I 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.400 like to express myself in that way. But I'm from 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.840 that thing like that for real though, Like for real though, 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:36.760 So I know who to say what to and how 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:38.080 to say it to him to make sure I don't 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.560 just talk to hear myself. I want the mother to 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:48.960 underdig me. I don't him up. That's what I'm talking about. Yes, yes, 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.440 I mean initially I didn't. So it was a lot 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.520 of things that I put out there that I thought 0:18:55.880 --> 0:19:00.119 would resonate with people. And because and this was the 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.520 advantage of dogging myself like I did you know, um 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.119 writing all the articles and doing all the distribution and 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.520 setting up all the retail locations and you know, just 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.359 doing everything. You know what I'm saying, like realistically, you know, 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.960 um um, my partner she handled you know, the stuff 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.320 inside the office, the business I generated being out on 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.639 the street. She was there to receive that and manage that. 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.080 And she was competent and responsible and capable of doing that, 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.840 which is why after our relationship I would continue to 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.520 have anything to do with her, because she had a 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.960 practical purpose and not for nothing. That's one of the 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:35.200 main tenants of gangsterism. If you're around me, you serve 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:39.800 a purpose. Period. You could be my girl, mana, whoever, 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.080 but you gotta serve a purpose because I don't have 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.840 time for people who don't serve a purpose. I just 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:46.520 don't have time. I may love you and everything, but 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:49.800 you will rarely see me the purpose people won't. They're 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:51.480 the ones who have my time and attention because I 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:56.119 got one mission. Get to the money. That's really what 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.840 it was, you know, get to the money, and maintained 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:03.200 the think I don't care well, you know, I want 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:05.680 to go back to a partners. You mentioned something that's deep, man. 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.400 You said that you were a third generation hustler. Man 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.080 and talk us talk about that a little bit, because 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:14.800 that's deep, man. So that was kind of like your 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:18.040 family trade. You know, you have some families there and um, 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.560 they may own seven elevens, they may own the chain 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:25.119 of restaurants. You guys were into cocaine and heroron distribute 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:30.280 cocaine and Erwin distribution, to my correctness, heroin primarily. Yeah, 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.280 So that means you guys probably go back to the 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:38.600 late fifties and sixties with that three generations. Tell me 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:40.399 about that. Who was the first one that kind of 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.800 got off the boat that because obviously if people weren't 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:45.800 getting cracked like that, if you were able to elude 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:48.280 capture for that loan, that means you had a hell 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.520 of a system. I mean, you know, it was a 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:56.159 it was a different time. First of all, when we 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:58.080 did the things we did, and y'all can relate to this, 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.240 We did the things we did acting in our neighborhoods. 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:03.840 Who gave a fuck, We can get away with a 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:07.840 lot of ship, nobody care, and anybody who was unfortunate 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.400 or foolish enough to interlope into our space, they would 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.720 subject to those same rules. Now they were two light 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.720 of complexion. Then somebody might come around asking some questions, 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.159 but there was always one of two of them that 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:21.159 had the okay to come in and you caught for 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:24.280 everybody else and bring it back to them. So the 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.720 things that uh, we're being done back then to the 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.520 magnitude that my family was doing it like it was 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.640 happening in Harlem. I mean, you talked about the time 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:39.560 when they were maybe uh half a million herointics in America, 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:44.040 eighty percent of them were in Harlem. This is a 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:48.720 statistical historical fact, you know what I'm saying. He was 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:54.119 a whole different animal, heroin man to the devil. And 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.560 that's why I could never dabble in it man, because 0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:00.800 there was the German for us who was the company 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.480 that made it, patented it and then sold the people 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.760 and told the doctors that tells people that it was 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.720 for headaches and stress, and people are going and get 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:15.480 it over the counter, and then people got strung out. 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:20.239 Then they made it illegal after creating a demand for 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:23.800 something that it hears itself to you human gooing, so 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:27.840 you can't function it. You figure, heroin is a different drug, 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:31.959 and the fact than it sticks to your receptors, so 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.439 when you don't have it, it's almost like you're burning alive. 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:38.399 So because most heroin addicts, they don't take heroinin to 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:42.359