1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: It's time for another edition of the Patriots Draft to Countdown, 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: presented by bud Light. Easy to drink, Easier to enjoy. 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Bud Light is the official beer sponsor of the New 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: England Patriots. It's Matt Smith with Mike dussaut as a 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: combine rolls on here from Indianapolis. Mike, I know fans 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: look at the position of wide receiver. They want a 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: wide receiver under their tree for Christmas or draft whatever, 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: whatever your holiday that just celebrate. You mentioned the other 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: day that you don't think it's likely that that number 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: one receiver is coming from free agency. So, with that 11 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: being said and wide receivers being part of the discussion today, 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: give me a guy that you think would be realistic 13 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: maybe for Patriots fans to think about. 14 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, I'd start with some of the ones 15 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: that you see. You know, Casey Concepcion from Texas A 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: and M is a really exciting, dynamic player and it'd 17 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: be easy to imagine him slide into this offense and 18 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: giving Drake may that quick open option. You know, somebody 19 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: who can shake loose and then make plays with the 20 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: ball in their hands. 21 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: The guy that I'm kind of intrigued by the and this. 22 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: Isn't usually my type. Matt is Denzel Boston from Washington. 23 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: He's a big guy. You know, sometimes we're afraid of 24 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 2: those guys. They're afraid of, like, oh, contest to catch. 25 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: He can't Runnie, can't get away from people. But I 26 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: think he's got a special skill set. And when you 27 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: look at what Drake may tends to gravitate towards those 28 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: big targets. You know, loves throwing a MATC Collins. This 29 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 2: is a guy who maybe on the outside could give 30 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: him that option. A big guy on the outside that 31 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 2: Drake we know is downfield accuracy is amazing. 32 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: Pushed the ball down to someone like that. And then 33 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:27,639 Speaker 3: the last two guys. 34 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: I'll just mention are the two Indiana guys. Everybody saw 35 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: plenty of them in the playoffs, sure, and Omar Cooper 36 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: junior of the two is really you know, got some 37 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: buzz here going on in the combine. It's what we 38 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 2: heard the last few days. Seems like he's another guy 39 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: that's going up draft boards and it is probably going 40 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: to be in that late first round, you know, might 41 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: sneak into the first round kind of territory. 42 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,639 Speaker 3: So whether it's edge or wide receiver. 43 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: I think those are the two most intriguing positions here 44 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 2: after this week in the draft, and maybe right tackle, 45 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: like a right tackle in the future when we're talking 46 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: about the end of that first round. I think those 47 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: are the positions that are going to be most likely 48 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: in the target range of what the Patriots are looking for. 49 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: Deuce's view for some potential draft pick people for the Patriots. 50 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: Let's hear from another draft guru. That's Matt Miller from ESPN. 51 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: All right, excited now to be joined by Matt Miller 52 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: from ESPN. Matt, thanks for sitting down with us again 53 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: this year. Appreciate it. Appreciate all the hard work you 54 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: put in trying to guide us. We're used to being 55 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: on the top of the draft and now a. 56 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 3: Little bit different scenario this year than when we sat 57 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 3: down last year. 58 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: Right right, It's like it's gonna be these three guys, 59 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: which one of it's going to be? 60 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: But I'm just curious your perspective. 61 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: Thirty first, overall, a lot to talk about the edge class, 62 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: the edge need for the Patriots. 63 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you see it lining up there? 64 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 4: I think it, Mary's really well, honestly, you know, the 65 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 4: edge classes, we'll see six players, maybe seven go in 66 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 4: the first round. This might be kind of the floor 67 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 4: for that right if where that edge talent drops off. 68 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 4: So many people are going to talk about the guys 69 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 4: at the top Ruben Bain, David Bailey, Rvel Reese, we 70 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 4: know they're going to go probably in the top ten, 71 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 4: but there's really good depth. 72 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 3: You get to TJ. 73 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 4: Parker from Clemson, Zion Young from Missouri, or Mason Thomas 74 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 4: from Oklahoma. There are really good players that are going 75 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 4: to be in that back end that still fit what Vrabel's. 76 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 3: Looking for at edge Rusher. 77 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: You say, like, what Vrabel's looking for after watching this 78 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: team this year, I'm like, I know what we're Abel's 79 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: looking for. 80 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 3: If he wants guys to play. 81 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: With their hair on fire, yep, you know messidor you 82 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: mentioned r Mason Thomas, another guy that seemed to play 83 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: with that style. 84 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: But if it. 85 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 2: Wasn't edge there, you know, like, because sometimes I feel 86 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: like you're the end of the first round. You're kind 87 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: of waiting to see where does the value get pushed 88 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: down And maybe it's not a need that everybody's talking about, 89 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 2: but you know, maybe the tight end, you know from 90 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 2: Oregon City falls like somebody like that is there, you know, 91 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: a position group maybe you could see getting pushed down 92 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: where there might be some value that people aren't talking about. 93 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean definitely. 94 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 4: I think wide receiver is one where again, six players 95 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 4: might go in the first round if one of those 96 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 4: slips through the cracks. It feels like that happens every 97 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: year where we see a players like, oh, there's this 98 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 4: Gaga top twenty. 99 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: And then they end up being there. 100 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 4: You know that every year for the Chiefs, it feels 101 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 4: like that would be the player we would we would 102 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 4: mock to them. So I think this could be the 103 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 4: year for wide receivers where someone like Denzel Boston from Washington, 104 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 4: Omar Cooper from Indiana, one of those guys maybe slips 105 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 4: through the cracks and their thirty one. And I think 106 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: the lesson from you know, the Patriots dynasty and then 107 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 4: the Chiefs dynasty is that to sustain those you should 108 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 4: just draft the best player available. Don't reach for need 109 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 4: because if you miss, if you draft, if you go 110 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 4: into the first round and say we have to get 111 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 4: an edge, then you miss, You've hurt yourself so badly. 112 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: Whereas if you're drafting best player available in every round 113 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 4: and you miss It's okay because in the second round, 114 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 4: maybe that guy is a starter. Maybe the third on 115 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 4: that guy is So I think the lesson for and listen, 116 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 4: Elliot Wolf, Mike Rabel know this very very well. 117 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 3: Best player available is the way to go. 118 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: I mean, that's where when we saw the decline, and 119 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 2: you know, after eighteen nineteen and even in eighteen it 120 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,559 Speaker 2: felt like they won the super Bowl, but the talent 121 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: was declining, miss drafts, miss high round picks, and now 122 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: you start to stack some of those Rabel heard from 123 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: him earlier up on the podium. 124 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: You mentioned the tight end class that he kind of 125 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 3: liked it. I mean, I mentioned Sadik. 126 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 2: I know he's kind of the top guy, but you know, 127 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 2: it seems like there are some other options there. Maybe 128 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: for Day two, day three, anybody that stands out to 129 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: you that you like that maybe Patriot fansho should keep 130 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 2: an eye on. 131 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 5: Yeah. 132 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 4: I think the cool thing about this tight end class, 133 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 4: and it is is deep, especially on day three, is 134 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 4: that there are a lot of different types of tight ends. 135 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 4: You know, if you want to go with more of 136 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 4: that athletic. 137 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 3: Move tight end. 138 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 4: Eli Stowers from Vanderbilt is going to give you that 139 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 4: if you want more of your classic in line. You know, 140 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 4: when you think about Mike Rabel, what type of tight 141 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 4: end like Max Claire from Ohio State, Sure you know 142 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 4: it's gonna be that in Joe Royer from Cincinnati, a 143 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 4: Jack Injuries from Texas. 144 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 3: Those guys are probably gonna be fourth round picks, but. 145 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 4: They have that inline ability, They have the toughness to 146 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 4: be an impact in the run game, and then they're 147 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 4: gonna give you a little bit of something as a 148 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 4: pass catcher as well. 149 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: So, Matt, just a big overall question, who are your 150 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: favorite guys this year? Just you know, no needs, no teams, 151 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: just guys when you watch you're like, hey, this is fun. 152 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: This is why I do what I did. 153 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 4: With Jeremiah Love is an easy answer there running back 154 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 4: from Notre Dame. But I think getting outside of you know, 155 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 4: an obvious player Dangelo Ponds from Indiana, can't they Scott 156 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 4: from Miami. Two nickel corners like pound for pound toughest 157 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 4: guys in the draft class. Even though they're like five 158 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 4: ten and eighty five pounds. We saw them throughout the 159 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 4: college wall playoff. Their impact is blitzers off the edge, 160 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 4: they're impacting coverage. Those are the guys that make it fun. 161 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 4: Where you're looking at a player that's you know, maybe 162 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 4: wasn't a five star recruit, maybe didn't go you know 163 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 4: to Georgia, Ohio State Texas. You know guys that in 164 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: like with Ponds. You know, he was at Indiana before 165 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 4: Indiana was cool. So to watch him stay with the 166 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 4: who's and kind of define that team with this toughness 167 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 4: and how you know, underrated he's been. Those are the 168 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 4: players that make my job funk. 169 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: Sorry, I was just having flashbacks to Devin Witherspoon and 170 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl coming off the edge there. 171 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 3: For Yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, go get your own 172 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 3: version of that, right. 173 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 5: I like it. 174 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 3: I go, Well, Matt, thank you so much again and 175 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 3: we'll see you next year. Sounds great. Thanks Da, Matt Miller. Everybody. 176 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: So here we are at the end of February. March 177 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: is around the corner. The draft is in April, and 178 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 1: would you say that we're in full mock draft season? 179 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 3: I hope. 180 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: So, Matt, I felt like anybody who's anybody's got a mock draft, 181 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: which means I'm not anybody, but I don't have. 182 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: You haven't done one. 183 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: Well, this is when it's fun to do it, you know, 184 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: when you're picking forth overall, it's kind of an exercise 185 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: of futility because you're like, I'm gonna take this guy again, 186 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: and then you know, you know you're probably gonna get 187 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: Will Campbell when you're at thirty one. Though, it's fun 188 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: to game it out and see, you know, sometimes. 189 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 3: Who slips through those cracks. 190 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: And I think most of the mock drafts that you're 191 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: seeing early in the season, usually you're going to overreact 192 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl, right, and so you're gonna look at, well, 193 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: the edge depth is chas On's a free agent, Landry 194 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: was banged up. 195 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 3: That's a spot they clearly need to improve. 196 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 2: A lot of people lamenting the offensive line, and you 197 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 2: know that's that also makes sense. But you start to 198 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: see trends, and I think that's what we're seeing with 199 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: some of these defensive ends, even some of the wide 200 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: receivers that we mentioned earlier. But you know, we had 201 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: a chance to talk to Cynthia Freeland and I was 202 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: really intrigued by her pick because I thought she went 203 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: off the off the beaten path a little bit. 204 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: So here's Mike Dusau's conversation with Cynthia Freeland. 205 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: Are excited now to be joined by Cynthia Freeland from 206 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: NFL dot Com NFL Network. Thank you so much for 207 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: sitting down with us. 208 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 5: Absolutely glad to be here. 209 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: I got to start off with your mock draft because 210 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: so many Patriots fans right now, they're like edge class 211 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: and you know, you got a couple tackle people, but 212 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: you came through with Caleb Banks, a giant penetrating defensive lineman, which. 213 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: I'm kind of a defense guy. I love the defense. 214 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: And I saw that, I was like, hey, I know 215 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: we had some of these, but sign me up for that. 216 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: What did you see in him that made you going 217 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: to the Patriots? 218 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 5: What I watched his film and when I tracked all 219 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 5: of the data that kind of matches strategies. He's a Verraybell. 220 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 5: He like like, it's like he's a Verraybel. 221 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: It's kind of easy to see, right Yeah, well. 222 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 5: And the numbers are pretty like the good news about 223 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 5: Mike Rabel is that you know exactly what the strategy 224 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 5: is going to be. And that's that means like the 225 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 5: fit is easier to find, right, Like that's great. Clarity 226 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 5: is great and sticking to a plan is even greater, 227 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 5: which I think some people have clarity and then they're like, yeah, yeah, no, 228 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,559 Speaker 5: I'm going to make this thing fit my back into 229 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 5: my narrative. That's what It doesn't work what Rabel does. 230 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 5: That's not what Rabel does. He does the opposite of that. 231 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 5: So it just felt like that was the one You're like, well, 232 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 5: this my job here is done. 233 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 3: It makes sense. 234 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: I said, we're talking to a bunch of people this week, 235 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 2: and it was you know, Rabel came in and he's like, 236 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: this is the style we want to play with effort 237 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 2: and finish. And as soon as we saw them starting 238 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: to play, especially on the defensive side of the ball, 239 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: You're like, okay, I get it, and now we'll start 240 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 2: the scouting process. And I'm like, yep, Brabel, Rabel, these 241 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: are brable guys. Plays with his hair on fire. But 242 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: don't want to ask you a little different for the Patriots, 243 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 2: we've been up at the top of the draft the 244 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: last few years. Who saw last year coming, not even 245 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: us here on the inside. 246 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 5: But I'm like, obsessed with your I went to b 247 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 5: c accent Is I'm like obsessed with a little bit. 248 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 5: I'm like have it. I'm like, keep talking. 249 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: About I want to have a couple of drinks. Then 250 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 3: it comes out even more. But we're not there. We're 251 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 3: not there. 252 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: Drink okay, but you know, I feel like when you're 253 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: at the bottom of the first round, you're waiting to 254 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: see who. 255 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 3: Might fall through the cracks. 256 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: And I do love this edge class, So I feel 257 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 2: like we got to talk a little bit about it. 258 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: Any of those guys you see that you think rable guy. 259 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 5: So he won't he won't be available where you're picking. 260 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 5: But I think Casha Stowell is a rable guy. The 261 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 5: one cool thing or there's a lot of cool things 262 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 5: about him, but one of the coolest things about him 263 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 5: is the fatigue factor. So I've been measuring I've been 264 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 5: using the data to see how often in the fourth 265 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 5: quarter the guys get tired versus the first quarter. So 266 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 5: I need to like rename it because it's a good 267 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 5: thing to be low and fatigue. But like that's clunky 268 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 5: to say, So how good are you not being fatigued? 269 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: Terrible English whatever exhaustion quotient or something there we go 270 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: sounds official. 271 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 5: Right, especially quotiit that really I don't know, I don't 272 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 5: know I don't know agree, But the point is is 273 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 5: Cassius Howell doesn't get tired. He does not have that happen. 274 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 5: I mean, Caleb Downs nowhere near, We're nowhere near, y'all 275 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 5: will have no chance at him. No offense, but it's 276 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 5: not like an offensive thing. But that kid, no, no, no. 277 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 3: Drop off, no way. 278 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 5: Yeah. So, but Cassius Howel, if he were somehow, if 279 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 5: he had some weird fall or whatever, that's a guy 280 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 5: who would be a rable guy. 281 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: Like our Mason Thomas too, a little bit places with 282 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: that kind of style, a little smaller kind of a guy. 283 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 2: But when you look over all the draft, regardless of 284 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: Patriots or anything, are there any guys that just you 285 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: were like, I love this guy. 286 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: I think he came down easy to love him. 287 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm I'm all in on Caleb Downs now. 288 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 5: I also, I studied this is ridiculous, but I spent 289 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 5: a lot of my master's degree studying offensive linemen because 290 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 5: somebody once told me there was nothing that I could 291 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 5: teach them about. Whatever it was. It was. 292 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,119 Speaker 3: Right now, No, we're not going to arm length. 293 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 5: But no, I feel like I'm right now. I'm very 294 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 5: excited about seeing how Friendsis Mawanoah interviews. I don't know 295 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 5: anything about his personality, but Miami tackle he should measure 296 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 5: in around sixty six sixty seven. Pretty interested to see 297 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 5: because I just think a lot of teams need a tackle, 298 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 5: you know. And by the way, I don't care about 299 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 5: Will Campbell's arm. I'd rather want him to be playing 300 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 5: with like all of his ligaments intact. Nice, you know, 301 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 5: but I don't care about his arm. He was my 302 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 5: first pick. I didn't I'm an analytics person. I can 303 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 5: tell you I don't care about his arms. 304 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: I'm gona talk about a rabel guy like you heard 305 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: last year. The second I heard him speak, I'm like. 306 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 5: I want I want to die for It's not that serious, 307 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 5: too extreme. Ratchet it down just a tiny bit. But 308 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 5: I get where you're going with that. But like just 309 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 5: less I. 310 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: Can actually just going back to this year, I mean, 311 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: you have a national perspective and you're talking about this 312 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: stuff all the time. 313 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: Just what was your perspective on this Patriots seen this year. 314 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: I know there was talk of the schedule, but I 315 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: mean Drake may runner up in the MVP. I mean, 316 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 2: like I said, not even the people inside, I mean 317 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 2: we were all just taken aback by how well he 318 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: played and how it all came together so quickly. 319 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 5: I think the quick is the part, like it made 320 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 5: complete sense, like all I I mean, Milton Williams, that 321 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 5: was such a smart thing. But I love Bobby Spulane. 322 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 5: Adding Robert Spulane back to the team. I thought that 323 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 5: was low key not talked about anywhere near as much 324 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 5: as it should have been. The run stop, like that's 325 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 5: just a that's a dude right there. But he's also 326 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 5: I mean, if you look at anything good that happened 327 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 5: on the Raiders, was like, oh, it's Robert Spelane. It's 328 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 5: Bobby's splane, right, so you're looking at that. And I 329 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 5: thought even the less premium free agent and I don't 330 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 5: need to call on that, but less expensive how about that? 331 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 5: The less expensive free agent acquisitions were really good too. 332 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 5: Did I think that this would be the year that 333 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 5: they would go to the Super Bowl? Nope, But I 334 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,599 Speaker 5: wasn't really surprised. I do think it kind of the 335 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 5: wheels fell off a little bit with like injuries and 336 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 5: trying to like put some like duct tape on, like 337 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 5: you need a little w D forty kid, Okay, Like 338 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 5: but I think that was but that could happen to 339 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 5: any team, So you know, it was just an unfortunate circumstance. 340 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 5: But you know, I thought I thought it was going 341 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 5: to be a good team. I don't. I definitely didn't 342 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 5: think it was a super Bowl team now yet. 343 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I thought it was a good rebuild. 344 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: And then we look at the schedule next year. I 345 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: mean it's like at Seattle, at Kansas City, at the Chargers. 346 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of tough games. What do 347 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: you feel like the strategy should be for this Patriots 348 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: team this year? I mean, you know, there's cries for 349 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: the number one. Everybody got to get that number one receiver. 350 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: You got to get one of the three best receivers. 351 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: And they you know, that's a big talking point, the 352 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: pressure with the edge rushers. But they talked they've established 353 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: a core, a foundation. They've got to continue to build 354 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 2: on it. What are your thoughts on how do they 355 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: approach the expectations now after going to a Super Bowl? 356 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 5: Can we just get like a can we just do 357 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 5: like a little more of a right tackle? Oh, I'm 358 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 5: so mean, I'm so mean. I just want to protect 359 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 5: Drake May. I think he's so special and has the 360 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 5: potential to be illegally. I will never crown a guy 361 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 5: until I've seen it. You know, even Patrick Mahomes after 362 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 5: that one amazing year, I wasn't like, I'm not ready 363 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 5: to You got to give him three because then now 364 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 5: everyone will adjust and then can you adjust back. It 365 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 5: seems like Drake may will be fully capable of doing that, 366 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 5: But again I still want to go ahead. I reserve 367 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 5: the word elite for the actual elite people, so by 368 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 5: definition it has to be very few. But he has 369 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 5: all signs point to that. So like pull out like 370 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 5: a like a little armored vehicle is there? Who's the 371 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 5: most refrigerator like in this Strett Francis mouwa, Yeah right, 372 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 5: let's put him. But anyways, but what long story short 373 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 5: is that? That to me is like focus on that 374 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 5: this team has a lot of different opportunities to be successful. 375 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 5: I don't care how it looks. I don't care if 376 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 5: it's a number one wide receiver that's named like hottest 377 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 5: wide receiver the whole world, Like, it doesn't need to 378 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 5: be that. Aj Brown a fan. Okay, great, that'd be awesome, 379 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 5: But what is what are you giving up to get him? 380 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 5: Because if it's a right tackle, I'm going with that. 381 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 5: And I'm not trying to be meanteriorright tackle. I just 382 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 5: think that, like I said, I want. 383 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: You well, it's more. 384 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: I mean, he's you know, thirty four years old, Morgan Moses. 385 00:14:58,400 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: I mean, and yeah, usually the end of the first 386 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: round you might get a right tackle with them. 387 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 5: I'm just saying I'm not like, no, I'm not throwing shade. 388 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 5: I just I want to give Drake May every single 389 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 5: asset to succeed because it was so great. And I'm 390 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 5: like a huge Hunter Henry Fan. Yeah, yeah, giant Hunter 391 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 5: Henry Fan did a service trip last year with him 392 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 5: and his wife and so the Herzliks, who were good 393 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 5: BC kids, and we went to you know, we went 394 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 5: to Africa and it was about anti human trafficking. So 395 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 5: I would really like Hunter Henry to have like, like, conservatively, 396 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 5: how about twenty touchdowns? Have you got with that? 397 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: I think we could do that. I think the compar 398 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: great last one Max Crosby, Yeah, I think that's a fit. 399 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: They could that move happen. 400 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 5: I think Max Crosby is a fit with like any team. 401 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 5: I don't think it will happen because I think he's 402 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 5: not going to leave the Raiders, but I don't know. 403 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 5: I mean, they said they're gonna play thirty four. Now 404 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 5: they could pretend that teams actually play bass defense. He 405 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 5: could be like, I want to play in a forty three. 406 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 5: I don't think that that's actually the I just don't 407 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 5: think they'll let him out the door. Mark Davis is 408 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 5: like obsessed with him. So I just Mark Davis was like, 409 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 5: absolutely not. 410 00:15:58,840 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: You are here. 411 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, would be a fit on any team. There's no 412 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 5: team that would be like, we don't need your service right. 413 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 3: Right in that best past preussion, I'm like, no, No, 414 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: we're good. 415 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 5: We're good. He's a really good at run stopping too. 416 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 5: Like at seven seasons that he's been in the league, 417 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 5: he has the most run stops at the position. 418 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: So a lot of Patriots dans clamoring form We'll see 419 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 3: what happens. But Cynthia, thank you so much for savings. 420 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 5: Everyone's clamoring from thank you so much for having me. 421 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 3: Max Crosby, Cynthia Freeland, everybody, all right, Mike, that'll do it. 422 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: From the combine, another one in the books. 423 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: What do you think? What are your impressions? Oh, it's 424 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: it's always a blast. I mean it's a little different though. 425 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: I mean this is kind of what more I was 426 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: used to early on in my career, picking late and 427 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: not really knowing. The last few years we've been here, 428 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: you kind of know who the guys are going to be. 429 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: There's maybe five or six guys in that first pick. 430 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: But it's always great energy here. It feels like a 431 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: land stuck in time. You're always here the same week 432 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: with the same people, at the same restaurants and the 433 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: same hotels. So it's always a blast. And I you know, 434 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: we talked to Vrabel earlier in the week. Good way 435 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: to turn the page. I mean it's not even three 436 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: weeks set since they lost that Super Bowl game. Disappointing, 437 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: but this is a good way. 438 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: To turn the page. And we're onto the off season. 439 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: We're on to twenty twenty six for sure. That'll wrap 440 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: things up with a Patriots Draft countdown presented by bud Light. 441 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: Patriots dot Com is the place to get all of 442 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: your draft information, as we'll 443 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 3: Be cranking out the content right up and through the 444 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: draft