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Speaker 1: So last episode we talked about how Ferrari is emerging
Speaker 1: from this dark period and its history. It's really on
Speaker 1: the up and up at the start of season, and
Speaker 1: obviously I'm sure the question on your mind is who
Speaker 1: is going to help them get the job done. All
Speaker 1: we've talked about is Ferrari. There's people in the cars,
Speaker 1: right according to Endza Ferrari, there are not they don't matter,
Speaker 1: but there are in fact people in the cars. So yeah,
Speaker 1: today we're talking about two drivers. Uh one charolet Claire.
Speaker 1: He is British. He is monogasque, not French monogasque. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: and let me speak for the listeners who don't know
Speaker 1: what that means, not me, I do what is monogasque.
Speaker 1: He is from Monaco, which is that tiny principality that
Speaker 1: is technically I think that's one of the smallest country whatever.
Speaker 1: It's also very rich. Grace Kelly left acting to marry
Speaker 1: the former Prince of Monaco. It's a fun fact back
Speaker 1: in the day. And uh, yeah, so it's on it's
Speaker 1: on the coast of France. It's very tiny. But you
Speaker 1: cannot tell anyone from Monico that they are basically French
Speaker 1: because they will butt your head off. So and that
Speaker 1: includes Charles, who is very clear that he is monta Gasque.
Speaker 1: Uh and I did not know that that was what
Speaker 1: you called somebody from Monica. I would have probably said
Speaker 1: Monican I am, admittedly. I also did not know until
Speaker 1: I became a Formula one fan, and now I feel
Speaker 1: very superior to percent of the population. Want to gass
Speaker 1: Our other driver, Carlos Science, is from Spain, which is
Speaker 1: a little bit more straightfoward. So but those are who
Speaker 1: we're talking about today. So let's start with Charles because
Speaker 1: he is a very fun one to talk about. And
Speaker 1: I will say, yeah, Carlos and Charles very different backstories,
Speaker 1: very different drivers. I also find it funny that their
Speaker 1: names are both variations of the same name. Technically, like
Speaker 1: Carlos is the Spanish person of Charles. I'll say Charles
Speaker 1: is dating a woman named Charlotte. There's just a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of sharp stuff going on there. Uh So, okay,
Speaker 1: we're we're gonna, We're gonna first let's break down. I
Speaker 1: guess the general gist of this duo here. So you've
Speaker 1: got you know, you look at red Bull, You've got
Speaker 1: Max for step In, you know, Sergio Checho Perez. There's
Speaker 1: a very clear number one, number two. But they do
Speaker 1: seem to get along. They're very cool with their roles
Speaker 1: or generally they understand what their roles are. Um, I'd
Speaker 1: say on the surface, charl and Carlos have a very
Speaker 1: easy banter, a very kind of friendly partnership. They've been
Speaker 1: known to play chess against each other online, so you
Speaker 1: can actually see it as a fan, and it's interesting
Speaker 1: they take different approaches to their chess games, which is fascinating.
Speaker 1: Uh And and generally, yeah, they do goofy challenge videos
Speaker 1: together for the team. Organically, they kind of have a
Speaker 1: lot of fun during driver interviews. It's relaxing. Do you
Speaker 1: listen music sometimes? To realize I've sometimes started to listen
Speaker 1: some yes in the mornings, just yes, really something that
Speaker 1: is maybe one of of the few styles that I'm
Speaker 1: not a big finel. Send me the playlist. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: seems to be good vibes, so to speak between the
Speaker 1: two of them. I'm gonna google their salaries real quick. Yes,
Speaker 1: you mind if I do that, go for it. Team
Speaker 1: Ferrari Formula one salaries. So you're looking this up. Something
Speaker 1: funny about F one salaries is they're all secret. They're like,
Speaker 1: you can't go to a team and ask them for
Speaker 1: their driver's salary, but every other team will tell you
Speaker 1: what everyone else is doing. Hence why we have the
Speaker 1: estim nations we do have, right, So this Google's estimating
Speaker 1: that Carlos gets ten mill and gets twelve, so pretty similar.
Speaker 1: I mean I looked up Max and Checko and it
Speaker 1: was four versus eight. Yeah, pretty clear discrepancy there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is more even. Yeah, Charles Charol, he's twenty four
Speaker 1: and Carlos is twenty seven. Is this recording kind of things?
Speaker 1: In turn twenty eight and a couple of months, so, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Charol younger driver, but but definitely sort of
Speaker 1: like golden boy of the team. Carlos came in only
Speaker 1: one season ago at the start of one, but is
Speaker 1: only a couple of years olders. They're close in eight
Speaker 1: It's not like some of these teams that you've got,
Speaker 1: you know, Lewis and George thirteen years apart. So that's
Speaker 1: that's that's the overall gist of of Charol and Carlos.
Speaker 1: So I think it's also fun though to talk about
Speaker 1: them separately. Charlot is, without a doubt a percent, Ferrari's
Speaker 1: golden boy. Interestingly, their team that has often gone with
Speaker 1: slightly older drivers, um, including in the fifties, some of
Speaker 1: their drivers are in like their late forties and in
Speaker 1: early more reason for me to like them. There you go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have a chance. Every time you're telling me something
Speaker 1: about Ferrari, I am more on board. Yeah I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, you have a chance to to be a Ferrari. No, no,
Speaker 1: but I like that approach of not just younger's better,
Speaker 1: like more experienced, a more savvy driver. I'm into that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he yea. So Charles signed with the team in
Speaker 1: late for the start of the nineteen season, and uh,
Speaker 1: it was kind of a surprise when they signed him
Speaker 1: that young again, because the team isn't necessarily known for
Speaker 1: that like other teams are. Like a Red Bull who's
Speaker 1: kind of known for signing and kind of pumping and
Speaker 1: dumping people in the program. Uh. And he also at
Speaker 1: the time that he had signed a little bit after that,
Speaker 1: he signed a five year contract extension a year later,
Speaker 1: which was I think considered one of the longest, if
Speaker 1: not the longest, in F one history at the time.
Speaker 1: So I feel great to be young and to sign
Speaker 1: a long contract. You can finally just settle in and
Speaker 1: just just to take a deep breath exactly. So his
Speaker 1: contract was for through the end of so in other words,
Speaker 1: you know, always put a lot of eggs in the
Speaker 1: Charl basket, so to speak. And it's it's it's generally
Speaker 1: known that he's there. Guy, he is ferrari uh and
Speaker 1: all of that. Let me show you actually before we
Speaker 1: move on, I'll show you a physical photos physical appearance
Speaker 1: of Charl. I mean, I have this coaster, but it's
Speaker 1: not a photo. You know what, Michael, I have something
Speaker 1: better for you. I have Kate Lazat. She is the
Speaker 1: co creator of Two Girls, One formula, Two Girls One
Speaker 1: Formula that is in fact what yeah. But more importantly,
Speaker 1: she's a Charo Leclaire super fan. Think of a Greek god.
Speaker 1: Think of just like the best looking, angelic, beautiful, chiseled,
Speaker 1: gorgeous person that you can think of, And that is
Speaker 1: only half. He has messy brown hair. His eyes are
Speaker 1: like green blue gray. They just like look like an ocean,
Speaker 1: like you just want to like swan dive into his eyes.
Speaker 1: Perfect eyebrows, perfect cheekbones, The bone structor is unmatched. He
Speaker 1: is more beautiful than the most beautiful woman I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Oh man, this is I'm getting he is, And forgive
Speaker 1: me for describing a world class athlete this way. He's cute.
Speaker 1: He's very cute. This motherfucker cute. Okay, like he he's cute.
Speaker 1: That's that's Charles. He also has like his friends with
Speaker 1: fashion designers, he's a little less flashy than he never
Speaker 1: shows up to the track, for instance, and anything other
Speaker 1: than his team kit right like he's ready to go,
Speaker 1: always got the shirt on. But off track he can
Speaker 1: be a little more stylish, which, by the way, I
Speaker 1: do appreciate because you showed me Lewis Hamilton's showing up
Speaker 1: with all this fancy fashion, and as time has gone on,
Speaker 1: I've thought more about that, and there is a time
Speaker 1: and a place to show off your fashion. And I'm
Speaker 1: almost now becoming a little more critical of Lewis Hamilton's
Speaker 1: doing that on an official walk through on the track.
Speaker 1: I almost like Charles Leclair for wearing the team kick
Speaker 1: because that's like, this is a team event, and when
Speaker 1: it's time to go balls fashion, I'll do that too,
Speaker 1: So I could see why that shook things up when
Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton's does does that, I will say, Um, it's
Speaker 1: obvious to me that Charles does not at least have
Speaker 1: some sort of like Hollywood stylist. He's very into bandanas,
Speaker 1: Like he puts bandanas on his head kind of a
Speaker 1: cross it's over and so Ferrari's crossed off. So why
Speaker 1: is Charole given all, you know, this contract extension, Why
Speaker 1: is he signed so young? All those things? Similar to Max,
Speaker 1: he is incredibly fast. Undoubtedly Leclair is a championship caliber
Speaker 1: driver F one expert. I'll just kevlowskis he's in his
Speaker 1: prime right now. His pace, especially in qualifying is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Around one lap, he's just he's just magic. The way
Speaker 1: he hooks up that final lap in Q three, the
Speaker 1: way he's able to kind of really just put it
Speaker 1: out there as close to the walls and you know,
Speaker 1: as close to the edge of the track because he can.
Speaker 1: He was making these kind of mid corner corrections that
Speaker 1: his teammate wasn't able to do. Let's let's then talk
Speaker 1: about Charles the man Less the driver. He is just
Speaker 1: a very earnest, like good hearted boy, Kate Lozatte again,
Speaker 1: he grew up in Monaco and from a very young age,
Speaker 1: like all of the brothers, got into karting because they
Speaker 1: were really good friends with um the Bianchi family and
Speaker 1: for those of you who are not super familiar with
Speaker 1: F one, Jules Bianchi was an F one driver and
Speaker 1: so like the Bianchie family was very close to Charless
Speaker 1: and they owned a carding circuit and so they would
Speaker 1: bring the Leclair boys there to to kart um. Charles
Speaker 1: was the best one obviously out of all of them,
Speaker 1: and so they didn't have a ton of money, so
Speaker 1: they had to like only be able to afford to
Speaker 1: like put money behind one of the boys to continue on,
Speaker 1: and so that was Charles. Charles starts making his way
Speaker 1: through the junior formulas. In the early things are looking
Speaker 1: great and then unfortunately tr Judy strikes for a first time.
Speaker 1: Charl Leclair lost his godfather at a very young age.
Speaker 1: This is a one journalist, Jenny Girl. His godfather was
Speaker 1: Jul Bianche, who was a former F one driver and
Speaker 1: the guy that they all said was going to go
Speaker 1: to Ferrari and be their next great hope. However, he
Speaker 1: was severely injured, critically injured in an accident in Japan.
Speaker 1: You know me, I will keep you updated. So that
Speaker 1: was the f I Press delegate Matto Bonciani saying that
Speaker 1: Biankee is unconscious. It's the only thing he would say.
Speaker 1: He's taking the hospital, he's on life support. He eventually
Speaker 1: succumbs to his injuries and dies. Everyone was saying he
Speaker 1: was like he was going to Ferrari. That was like
Speaker 1: where he was going to end up. Um, that's what
Speaker 1: he's working for. And so obviously that was like horrifyingly
Speaker 1: hard for Charles. He was like, that's my godfather, the
Speaker 1: man who like taught me everything I know in terms
Speaker 1: of motorsport. So you know, Charles almost makes it his mission,
Speaker 1: like he also wants to drive for Ferrari, not just
Speaker 1: for him, but for Jewels who didn't get to fulfill that,
Speaker 1: you know, see that goal through and accomplish that lastly
Speaker 1: number one. Fast forward a couple of years, his father dies.
Speaker 1: Charles is in Formula two, so that that junior level
Speaker 1: right below Formula one. And the story goes that just
Speaker 1: days after his father has died, Charles goes to the
Speaker 1: latest race, which is in Baku, Azerbaijan, and he gets
Speaker 1: onto the steps in Baku having won the race with tears,
Speaker 1: and it was such a courageous thing. I think everybody
Speaker 1: in the paddocky, even though it was one of the
Speaker 1: junior categories, just stood still and looked at this young
Speaker 1: boy because at the time he was really a young
Speaker 1: boy with dim poles and you know, floppy brown hair,
Speaker 1: and you just thought this strength of character that it
Speaker 1: took for him to even race that weekend, let alone
Speaker 1: for him to race and win with something extraordinary. And
Speaker 1: to only add two more to this story that's already sad.
Speaker 1: When his dad was dying, Charles had hoped that he
Speaker 1: would have news of hope that he had signed. You know,
Speaker 1: he had some news about Formula one to give to
Speaker 1: his dying father. So he goes to his dad and
Speaker 1: he lies to him and to his dad that he
Speaker 1: has signed with a Formula one team. So that his
Speaker 1: dad can be happy, and of course Chiles buries him
Speaker 1: knowing that he is like he's like, please, dear God,
Speaker 1: let me make a formula one time, so I'm not
Speaker 1: lying to my dad about like you know. So thankfully
Speaker 1: he signs with the Sober Team a couple of months later,
Speaker 1: but you're just like, oh my god, this guy who
Speaker 1: so badly wanted his dad to be proud and like
Speaker 1: to to be able to give him good news on
Speaker 1: his deathbed, Like, oh God, that's just so heavy. You
Speaker 1: did say these guys are filled with daddy issues. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I like to think, uh that, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's very achievement based. I have to have this achievement
Speaker 1: to make my dad proud of me. Like, but also
Speaker 1: it's like the son who wants to make that just
Speaker 1: wants to bring some light to the dad liked his
Speaker 1: heart heartbreaking and also a psychologists be very interested in that.
Speaker 1: A lot of tragedy in Charles's backs and also tragedy
Speaker 1: on the race track. Yeah yeah, yeah, So so that's
Speaker 1: that's charl And I think what what this all leads
Speaker 1: to is that Charles a person he can be in
Speaker 1: some ways. He's very much a driver's driver, right he
Speaker 1: comes to the track. He's very into race car driving.
Speaker 1: It's all he thinks about, you know, all of that.
Speaker 1: He's also very passionate and Charles almost sometimes wants it
Speaker 1: so badly that he'll overdo it. Right. So here's a
Speaker 1: fun fact. Up until Charlott Leclaire had never finished his
Speaker 1: home Grand Prix and Monaco, and a lot of it
Speaker 1: comes down to not a question of if charl is
Speaker 1: a good driver a bad driver, but I think he
Speaker 1: just really wants it so badly, especially when he's at home,
Speaker 1: that he has a tendency to overdo it. It's very
Speaker 1: common for athletes to put so much pressure on themselves
Speaker 1: that they underachieve. That's very common in all sports. Joking
Speaker 1: is if that's what we're calling it, I mean it
Speaker 1: is the thinnest line away from succeeding. Yeah, So I'd
Speaker 1: say overall, yeah, like Charole, I think is like easy
Speaker 1: to root for in many ways. He's got he's got
Speaker 1: a lot going on in the back story. He's got
Speaker 1: a lot of heart, not yet not known for being
Speaker 1: like an awful, aggressively rude driver who's the worst and whatever.
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, that's I guess Charo. He does seem
Speaker 1: easy to root for, and uh, that's always funny when
Speaker 1: you make that and then you look up the salary
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, and he's making twelve million dollars
Speaker 1: a year plus endorsements. But yeah, that's that's interesting. All right. Cool,
Speaker 1: that's Charles Charlotte. So who's the other driver. We'll get
Speaker 1: into all of that right after the break. So who's
Speaker 1: the other driver? Yeah, right on the other side of
Speaker 1: the rush across from Charlotte Spaniard. Yeah. The Spanish version
Speaker 1: of Charles kidding is is Carlos Science. And unlike charl
Speaker 1: who does not really come from like storied racing family,
Speaker 1: Carlos is from a hardcore racing family. His dad is
Speaker 1: Carlos Sr. And Carlos signs. Sr. Is one of the
Speaker 1: most iconic figures in a form of motorsport called rally.
Speaker 1: The start of Stage fourteen says is driving like a
Speaker 1: man possessed as usual. There's a lot of off roading,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of your kind of going into you know,
Speaker 1: the mountains and whatnot. It's also incredibly dangerous. The car
Speaker 1: is destroyed flipping six times. SAME's head lulls about crashing
Speaker 1: into the ground on two of the flips. He's an
Speaker 1: absolute bull of a man. That was Jenny Go again.
Speaker 1: He's called al Mattador, you know, the king when it
Speaker 1: comes to driving. So yeah, there's some there's some good stock.
Speaker 1: And Carlos has had quite a checkered past really when
Speaker 1: it comes to Formula One. No problem getting into it.
Speaker 1: Staying in it was the issue for him. So Carlos
Speaker 1: different story than Charles. The big thing to know about
Speaker 1: Carlos is he's kind of known as a team hopper.
Speaker 1: He was part of Red Bull, was relatively successful and
Speaker 1: it's just kind of bobbed around different teams trying as
Speaker 1: best he can. He's in his ninth season currently in
Speaker 1: Formula One. He's been on four teams. So he was
Speaker 1: at Toro Rosso. He moves to a team called Reno
Speaker 1: now called Alpine in the sport, which we'll talk about soon.
Speaker 1: He jumps to McLaren for two seasons. Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: You kind of have friends like that. Yeah, the fifth
Speaker 1: time they tell you it's a new job, you're kind
Speaker 1: of like over asking questions and you're like, okay, this
Speaker 1: is this is now up to you. Everyone thought, oh,
Speaker 1: is he is he in trouble? Here? Is he going
Speaker 1: to be able to stay in Formula One? And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we get news that he's going
Speaker 1: across to Ferrari in a most unexpected I think signing.
Speaker 1: No one really thought that they were going to come
Speaker 1: in and snatch a slightly senior, slightly untested driver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think for Carlos, he's really gotten the reputation
Speaker 1: of being a driver who is super adaptable, super verse
Speaker 1: at all, and very consistent generally speaking, Like you know,
Speaker 1: he's hopped into a bazillion different Formula one cars and
Speaker 1: can immediately kind of figure things out generally. A disadvantage
Speaker 1: of that is that he's No. One's number one guy,
Speaker 1: right So at Red Bull, obviously he was there around
Speaker 1: when Max Verstappen was coming up, and that was kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone kind of knew even then Max Stappin
Speaker 1: is gonna be the guy. You know, Charlotte Claire is
Speaker 1: the Ferrari guy. Even when he was at McLaren, he
Speaker 1: was actually faster than his teammate Lando Norris. But Lando Norris,
Speaker 1: who will talk about in our next episode, Landa Norris
Speaker 1: was in the McLaren Young Driver's Program and was kind
Speaker 1: of seen as like, no, we're we're priming him to
Speaker 1: be the guy for us, And I think to that extent,
Speaker 1: there's always been this question from people like, well, what
Speaker 1: does Carlos want? Did you even want to be a
Speaker 1: Ferrari driver? Like what what's the goal here? You know?
Speaker 1: Is it just whatever car will get him fastest from
Speaker 1: you know, beginning to end of race? Like what's you know?
Speaker 1: That's kind of the I think the lingering question about
Speaker 1: him or with Charles. You know that he's all in
Speaker 1: on Ferrari as much as they're all in on him. Carlos,
Speaker 1: you know, I think some people were surprised when he
Speaker 1: went to Ferrari and McLaren looked, Yeah, he was still
Speaker 1: finishing faster than than Lando and and technically actually finished
Speaker 1: just ahead of him in season after he moved to Ferrari.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's just a lot of mystery surrounding like
Speaker 1: what what does Carlos signs? Does we want? Yeah, he
Speaker 1: actually had a great rookie season at Ferrari. He did
Speaker 1: beat charl Leclair, although it's one of those occasions where
Speaker 1: the numbers don't quite tell all of the story because
Speaker 1: Charles had a hell of a lot of bad luck
Speaker 1: last season, but still amazing to do. You know, it's
Speaker 1: still amazing to beat schal Leclair at his own team
Speaker 1: in your first season at Ferrari. But he's been given
Speaker 1: a championship level car and he just hasn't been able
Speaker 1: to step it up to that level. Whilst hl Leclair,
Speaker 1: you know, he's been given that championship card this season
Speaker 1: and he's gone up a little bit of a step.
Speaker 1: So that's what that's what kind of Carloso struggled with.
Speaker 1: But he's also had a hell of a lot of
Speaker 1: bad luck. I'm not you know, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be in that championship fire. He's quite far behind.
Speaker 1: But up against schul Leclair in that car, it's going
Speaker 1: to be very difficult for anyone to beat Shoals, I
Speaker 1: will say, though, Yeah, Carlos very well liked guy across
Speaker 1: the grid. He has good chemistry with any teammate. He
Speaker 1: has you know, you know, keeps things light, keeps things fun. Uh.
Speaker 1: So that's I think a big pro in his corner.
Speaker 1: And and Ferrari just announced that he's getting another contract
Speaker 1: extension and for at least, I believe it's two more seasons,
Speaker 1: so they obviously see something in him. But the other
Speaker 1: thing to keep in mind with Ferrari is that while
Speaker 1: they're young driver program isn't as ridiculously gigantic and ruthless
Speaker 1: as Red Bulls, they do have a pretty healthy number
Speaker 1: of young drivers who are coming up. So the question
Speaker 1: is if Charles is their guy, where does that leave
Speaker 1: Carlos in the long term, especially if he isn't performing
Speaker 1: right And man, you must feel that if you're on
Speaker 1: if you're a Formula One driver, you know all of
Speaker 1: these teams have young driver. You must feel these guys
Speaker 1: just clawing at you at all times. The next two
Speaker 1: years are important for Carlos exactly if he kind of
Speaker 1: takes the next step up, he's on a big enough team,
Speaker 1: he'll be noticed, he'll get the resources. But if he
Speaker 1: kind of just withers, yeah, I don't like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: anything can happen. Um, So Carlos is a lot of
Speaker 1: question marks. I will show you Carlos. I will preface
Speaker 1: by saying Carlos um loves the thirst trap also has
Speaker 1: a devoted fan base just based aesthetically on what he's
Speaker 1: up to, but this will give you an idea fan
Speaker 1: base based aesthetically. Oh yeah, Spanish handsome. We got four
Speaker 1: pictures here, two of which, thank you Lily, his shirt
Speaker 1: is off I want to give you. It's from his instagram,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be the full picture of Carlos, one
Speaker 1: of which he's lifting powerful dumbbells. The hair I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't he's standing still, but the hair is moving somehow.
Speaker 1: It's always in emotion. Yeah, so this is a handsome duo.
Speaker 1: Uh and um, he looks like a Spanish stallion, even
Speaker 1: though the term is Italian stallion. Yeah. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: that's Carlos. I do find it interesting you found Charles
Speaker 1: cute and Carlos handsome to start. I mean, that's right.
Speaker 1: Am I wrong? But I'm interested to see what the
Speaker 1: fans say. Right if you've If you've, I don't offended anyone,
Speaker 1: because if you have called them both very attractive, I
Speaker 1: would say that Charles feels to me like the approachable
Speaker 1: member of a boy band, and um, Carlos feels like
Speaker 1: movie star. Don't go anywhere near that table. You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? That perfect analogy. Yeah, yea, I completely
Speaker 1: see it. I'm not sensing a big rivalry between these two.
Speaker 1: You even sent a video to me where they're like
Speaker 1: giggling doing pressed together. Yeah, that doesn't feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna slice this guy up on the track.
Speaker 1: Is that a problem for them? But they're not like
Speaker 1: more hating each other. It's interesting they feel like there
Speaker 1: was a lot of camaraderie when when the car was
Speaker 1: still struggling last year, you know, when they were fighting
Speaker 1: for that that third place in the championship. You know,
Speaker 1: they weren't even in real championship contention. I feel like
Speaker 1: there's there's something be said for right when you're both like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're really slogging through it, and you know
Speaker 1: Charle was was really slogging through it after so you know,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more support there to be given.
Speaker 1: Things are starting to get a little bit complicated. As
Speaker 1: we've talked about, Charole is the golden boy of Ferrari. However,
Speaker 1: Carlos I would say is no slouch either. He definitely
Speaker 1: is not considered the future of the team. He's not
Speaker 1: the guy the whole team is kind of being built around.
Speaker 1: But he's still a very strong driver who wants to
Speaker 1: win and wants to succeed and wants to do well,
Speaker 1: so that, as you can imagine, does start to create
Speaker 1: some conflict to begin with. Just because two young millionaires
Speaker 1: giggle during a two minute press conference doesn't mean they're
Speaker 1: best friends exactly. We don't really know. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: for the first time in a while firm Ferrari, their
Speaker 1: drivers are very equal footing Kate Lizzott. Again, they're very
Speaker 1: similar ages, very similar skill sets and and experience levels.
Speaker 1: So something that has been really interesting about Ferrari team
Speaker 1: boss Mattia he has made it clear that he's fine
Speaker 1: with his drivers racing it out between each other, keep
Speaker 1: it on the track. I like that. He's like, we're
Speaker 1: trying to get back to where Ferrari used to be,
Speaker 1: so we are going to make the decisions to make
Speaker 1: that happen. While it's super entertaining for us as fans
Speaker 1: and a spectators, that causes problems for the team. Carlos,
Speaker 1: I think, is still trying to fight for it, and
Speaker 1: the fact that team leadership at Ferrari isn't making it
Speaker 1: clear at this point in the season who they're going
Speaker 1: to prioritize could potentially make that worse. I mean, as
Speaker 1: soon as you allow yourself to be the number two guy,
Speaker 1: the other teams see you as the number two guy also,
Speaker 1: and then you can almost never escape that, like you
Speaker 1: almost just have to be alpha, alpha, alpha all day long,
Speaker 1: and then you die in alpha. That's my opinion. I mean,
Speaker 1: as a guy who was number six on his collegiate
Speaker 1: tennis team, that number two position, that that label is tough.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: So I guess to give the final pictures here. I
Speaker 1: think most people, even if you're a neutral, even if
Speaker 1: you've never heard of Formula one until you've listened to
Speaker 1: this podcast, you can get behind Ferrari. This year. We're
Speaker 1: hearing from Jenny Girl because they've been so rubbish all
Speaker 1: of a sudden to come out with a decent car
Speaker 1: with two fabulous drivers. It's just really exciting. And they're
Speaker 1: called the prancing Horse for a reason because when it's performing,
Speaker 1: you're there on your tippy toes going, oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: this is great. It's it's a real thing of joy
Speaker 1: to see Ferrari back to where they've been in the past.
Speaker 1: You know, one of the most dominant teams in Formula one. Well,
Speaker 1: the history also the seventy year that just builds up.
Speaker 1: You have your kid become a fan and that kid's
Speaker 1: kid because yeah, so it just keeps building exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then if we're talking about drivers, obviously a lot
Speaker 1: of love to Charles Charlette Claire is probably the most
Speaker 1: likable guy on the grid, I would say, in terms
Speaker 1: of who he is, what he stands for, and his
Speaker 1: journey into Formula one which has been extraordinary. But cut
Speaker 1: through all of that, he's just a great guy who
Speaker 1: can drive blomen fast. Yeah, it's just a it's a
Speaker 1: fairy tale story. And um, I've did underneath the podium
Speaker 1: and shed a couple of tiers for him. And I
Speaker 1: think when someone manages to do that to our cynical
Speaker 1: journalist cynical journalists, then they have a lot going for them.
Speaker 1: And above all else, if esthetics are important, the bone
Speaker 1: structure is excellent. So instructor is a bonus bonus. And
Speaker 1: then Carlos, uh, you know, despite Carlos kind of being
Speaker 1: in the kind of odd position of number two, but
Speaker 1: also evenly matched generally, you know, and not necessarily an
Speaker 1: obvious number two, he is, like I said, a very
Speaker 1: con asistant driver where you know where charl might have
Speaker 1: some issues, Carlos can kind of ye be that more consistent,
Speaker 1: reliable driver at times. So if you're into that, if
Speaker 1: you're someone who has job hopped a lot in life
Speaker 1: and don't want to be held against you, you know,
Speaker 1: Carlos could could be the guy to to go with.
Speaker 1: And he just signed for two more years after this
Speaker 1: year with Ferrari, so uh, it's no no small feat
Speaker 1: given that they do have a pretty deep stable of
Speaker 1: younger drivers really chomping at the bit. I think I
Speaker 1: like a team where both drivers can win, as opposed
Speaker 1: to a team that's making the calculation of we're going
Speaker 1: to set up one driver to win with using our
Speaker 1: other driver because so many things are unpredictable in sport,
Speaker 1: and especially with these engines and the tracks and the
Speaker 1: humidity and the weather. Having to championship drivers, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: seems like the strategy that I would want to adopt. Uh.
Speaker 1: If I was Carlos and I even felt a smidgeon
Speaker 1: of Charles is our guy, Carlos is number two, I
Speaker 1: would be so motivated to fucking win everything, you know,
Speaker 1: So maybe that's what he's thinking yeah. So out of
Speaker 1: out of charlond and Carlos, do you have a preference
Speaker 1: or similar to their championship stuff? Are you evenly matched
Speaker 1: on how you feel? I guess I'm leaning towards Carlos,
Speaker 1: and I can't exactly tell you why other than um,
Speaker 1: I'm getting a sense that that that he might be
Speaker 1: Let's sign him for a couple of years. We'll see
Speaker 1: if our young guys come up. You know, he's a
Speaker 1: good place holder, and I just this guy is probably one.
Speaker 1: He is one of the best of the best of
Speaker 1: the best, and I want him to kind of. I
Speaker 1: love when someone can prove I'm not a number two.
Speaker 1: I'm not wait, I'm not a placeholder. I'm not wait
Speaker 1: for the new young guy to come up. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna smoke your ass right now. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the abs have also gotten to you. Let's
Speaker 1: be let's be honest. Him doing an upright dumbbell lift
Speaker 1: shirt off that also helped. Yeah, and so out of
Speaker 1: your your current I would say the topics you got George,
Speaker 1: and you really like Checko, I do like check Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then Carlos, is there one that's really rising thus
Speaker 1: far out Um, I'm a new dad. Yeah, it's probably
Speaker 1: probably Checko at this point. Yeah, probably check But I
Speaker 1: realize that's kind of silly because he's like almost admitted
Speaker 1: to being the number two. But um, we need more
Speaker 1: thirty year olds racing. We can't just have been seventeen
Speaker 1: all the time. So I like that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think Checo would love to know that he's number one
Speaker 1: in your heart. Now, Yeah he's number one, even though
Speaker 1: he's number two. But you know what I mean, I've
Speaker 1: not brought up Max at all. He's not my favorite
Speaker 1: right now. Where Michael Costa stands is probably Checko for
Speaker 1: the driver and Ferrari for the team, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I don't know what that means. I've
Speaker 1: only have only been introduced to three teams and six drivers,
Speaker 1: so we're a third of the way through. But you've
Speaker 1: got your guy. So yeah. So next week we're talking
Speaker 1: about another really iconic brand within the sport and team
Speaker 1: within the sport of Formula One, and that is McLaren Clarence.
Speaker 1: So we got McLaren. They are known for the papaya
Speaker 1: orange and they are also a team that uh is
Speaker 1: amongst the winningst ever. But they have struggled in recent years.
Speaker 1: They've really had to rebuild their program. Uh, and they
Speaker 1: have a very very intriguing lineup to have arguably, actually,
Speaker 1: someone say, the most marketable to drivers of anyone on
Speaker 1: the grid. You have the very kind of slightly nerdy
Speaker 1: and giggly young man in Lando Norris, who's incredibly fast
Speaker 1: but very young. And then you have got the perennial
Speaker 1: fan favorite in Daniel Ricardo, Australian guy, big personality. He
Speaker 1: has come on your program or Trevor knows program that
Speaker 1: you also are on. Yeah, I mean I noticed he
Speaker 1: was on the show and they always announced the guest
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show and people always clap,
Speaker 1: but when they said his name d people went nuts.
Speaker 1: Well we'll talk about how Yeah, Daniel Ricardo and Lando
Speaker 1: Norris are definitely the two drivers that that come up
Speaker 1: among the most in terms of who who are the
Speaker 1: two favorites for for a lot of people. So they
Speaker 1: but they definitely have an interesting dynamic because you've got
Speaker 1: two drivers who are ten years apart in age, and
Speaker 1: you know what happens when the older, more experienced, more
Speaker 1: beloved driver who's been around the block for a lot
Speaker 1: longer starts struggling, and the young guy is the one
Speaker 1: that you know. The one year old is the one
Speaker 1: who's who's really bringing home the hardware. So lots of
Speaker 1: talk about McLaren. They've got a dude bro, California surfer guy,
Speaker 1: team boss. So yeah, much much to do American American
Speaker 1: literal California bro. So lots lots of talk about with McLaren.
Speaker 1: I look forward to thank you, Lily. Yeah, it's cool, okay, right,
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