WEBVTT - Ferrari (Part 2) - A Tale of Two C(h)arls 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.360 Game. Here, Walter, get up here, get up here. Come on, 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:08.160 we're gonna chill. Okay, buddy, we're gonna at Jill Walter. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.000 If you're a fan of Ferrari, don't make a noise. 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:19.880 All right, We're good. We're rolling from my Heart Radio 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:28.639 and Sports Illustrated Studios. This is choosing sides one. Wow. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.400 So last episode we talked about how Ferrari is emerging 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.519 from this dark period and its history. It's really on 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.559 the up and up at the start of season, and 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:46.720 obviously I'm sure the question on your mind is who 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.680 is going to help them get the job done. All 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:51.960 we've talked about is Ferrari. There's people in the cars, 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.760 right according to Endza Ferrari, there are not they don't matter, 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.279 but there are in fact people in the cars. So yeah, 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:03.760 today we're talking about two drivers. Uh one charolet Claire. 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:09.520 He is British. He is monogasque, not French monogasque. Yes, okay, 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.800 and let me speak for the listeners who don't know 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.480 what that means, not me, I do what is monogasque. 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.240 He is from Monaco, which is that tiny principality that 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.920 is technically I think that's one of the smallest country whatever. 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:26.919 It's also very rich. Grace Kelly left acting to marry 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.800 the former Prince of Monaco. It's a fun fact back 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.399 in the day. And uh, yeah, so it's on it's 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:34.720 on the coast of France. It's very tiny. But you 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.120 cannot tell anyone from Monico that they are basically French 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.440 because they will butt your head off. So and that 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.400 includes Charles, who is very clear that he is monta Gasque. 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:45.959 Uh and I did not know that that was what 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.600 you called somebody from Monica. I would have probably said 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:55.240 Monican I am, admittedly. I also did not know until 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.080 I became a Formula one fan, and now I feel 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.760 very superior to percent of the population. Want to gass 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.280 Our other driver, Carlos Science, is from Spain, which is 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.280 a little bit more straightfoward. So but those are who 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:10.400 we're talking about today. So let's start with Charles because 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.360 he is a very fun one to talk about. And 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:17.280 I will say, yeah, Carlos and Charles very different backstories, 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.080 very different drivers. I also find it funny that their 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.040 names are both variations of the same name. Technically, like 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.600 Carlos is the Spanish person of Charles. I'll say Charles 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:27.799 is dating a woman named Charlotte. There's just a lot 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:34.320 of a lot of sharp stuff going on there. Uh So, okay, 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.200 we're we're gonna, We're gonna first let's break down. I 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:42.079 guess the general gist of this duo here. So you've 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.160 got you know, you look at red Bull, You've got 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.800 Max for step In, you know, Sergio Checho Perez. There's 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:49.800 a very clear number one, number two. But they do 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.000 seem to get along. They're very cool with their roles 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.960 or generally they understand what their roles are. Um, I'd 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.639 say on the surface, charl and Carlos have a very 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:01.560 easy banter, a very kind of friendly partnership. They've been 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.000 known to play chess against each other online, so you 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.200 can actually see it as a fan, and it's interesting 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.919 they take different approaches to their chess games, which is fascinating. 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.560 Uh And and generally, yeah, they do goofy challenge videos 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.800 together for the team. Organically, they kind of have a 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.919 lot of fun during driver interviews. It's relaxing. Do you 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:22.680 listen music sometimes? To realize I've sometimes started to listen 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:28.400 some yes in the mornings, just yes, really something that 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.680 is maybe one of of the few styles that I'm 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.360 not a big finel. Send me the playlist. Yeah, there 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.560 seems to be good vibes, so to speak between the 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.480 two of them. I'm gonna google their salaries real quick. Yes, 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.839 you mind if I do that, go for it. Team 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:49.920 Ferrari Formula one salaries. So you're looking this up. Something 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.280 funny about F one salaries is they're all secret. They're like, 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:54.760 you can't go to a team and ask them for 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.120 their driver's salary, but every other team will tell you 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.560 what everyone else is doing. Hence why we have the 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.920 estim nations we do have, right, So this Google's estimating 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:10.120 that Carlos gets ten mill and gets twelve, so pretty similar. 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.960 I mean I looked up Max and Checko and it 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:17.159 was four versus eight. Yeah, pretty clear discrepancy there. Yeah, 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:23.800 this is more even. Yeah, Charles Charol, he's twenty four 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.120 and Carlos is twenty seven. Is this recording kind of things? 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.160 In turn twenty eight and a couple of months, so, uh, 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.200 you know, Charol younger driver, but but definitely sort of 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:37.360 like golden boy of the team. Carlos came in only 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.520 one season ago at the start of one, but is 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.320 only a couple of years olders. They're close in eight 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:42.760 It's not like some of these teams that you've got, 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.320 you know, Lewis and George thirteen years apart. So that's 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.440 that's that's the overall gist of of Charol and Carlos. 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.760 So I think it's also fun though to talk about 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:55.720 them separately. Charlot is, without a doubt a percent, Ferrari's 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.680 golden boy. Interestingly, their team that has often gone with 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.880 slightly older drivers, um, including in the fifties, some of 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:03.880 their drivers are in like their late forties and in 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.599 early more reason for me to like them. There you go, Yeah, 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.520 you have a chance. Every time you're telling me something 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.240 about Ferrari, I am more on board. Yeah I was 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.159 gonna say, you have a chance to to be a Ferrari. No, no, 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.640 but I like that approach of not just younger's better, 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:21.320 like more experienced, a more savvy driver. I'm into that. Yeah. 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.599 So he yea. So Charles signed with the team in 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.120 late for the start of the nineteen season, and uh, 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.000 it was kind of a surprise when they signed him 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.120 that young again, because the team isn't necessarily known for 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:34.760 that like other teams are. Like a Red Bull who's 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:36.640 kind of known for signing and kind of pumping and 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:40.320 dumping people in the program. Uh. And he also at 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.480 the time that he had signed a little bit after that, 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.520 he signed a five year contract extension a year later, 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.120 which was I think considered one of the longest, if 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.160 not the longest, in F one history at the time. 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.800 So I feel great to be young and to sign 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.080 a long contract. You can finally just settle in and 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.640 just just to take a deep breath exactly. So his 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.800 contract was for through the end of so in other words, 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:02.279 you know, always put a lot of eggs in the 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.880 Charl basket, so to speak. And it's it's it's generally 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:09.120 known that he's there. Guy, he is ferrari uh and 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.039 all of that. Let me show you actually before we 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:14.200 move on, I'll show you a physical photos physical appearance 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:18.719 of Charl. I mean, I have this coaster, but it's 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.640 not a photo. You know what, Michael, I have something 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.560 better for you. I have Kate Lazat. She is the 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:29.000 co creator of Two Girls, One formula, Two Girls One 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.800 Formula that is in fact what yeah. But more importantly, 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:37.120 she's a Charo Leclaire super fan. Think of a Greek god. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:44.680 Think of just like the best looking, angelic, beautiful, chiseled, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.359 gorgeous person that you can think of, And that is 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:52.120 only half. He has messy brown hair. His eyes are 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:57.239 like green blue gray. They just like look like an ocean, 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.479 like you just want to like swan dive into his eyes. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:08.120 Perfect eyebrows, perfect cheekbones, The bone structor is unmatched. He 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.960 is more beautiful than the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:17.239 Oh man, this is I'm getting he is, And forgive 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:22.120 me for describing a world class athlete this way. He's cute. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:28.040 He's very cute. This motherfucker cute. Okay, like he he's cute. 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.560 That's that's Charles. He also has like his friends with 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.400 fashion designers, he's a little less flashy than he never 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.520 shows up to the track, for instance, and anything other 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:37.600 than his team kit right like he's ready to go, 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.000 always got the shirt on. But off track he can 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.000 be a little more stylish, which, by the way, I 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.480 do appreciate because you showed me Lewis Hamilton's showing up 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.880 with all this fancy fashion, and as time has gone on, 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.280 I've thought more about that, and there is a time 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.800 and a place to show off your fashion. And I'm 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.920 almost now becoming a little more critical of Lewis Hamilton's 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.520 doing that on an official walk through on the track. 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:07.080 I almost like Charles Leclair for wearing the team kick 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.920 because that's like, this is a team event, and when 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.640 it's time to go balls fashion, I'll do that too, 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.480 So I could see why that shook things up when 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:19.240 Lewis Hamilton's does does that, I will say, Um, it's 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.360 obvious to me that Charles does not at least have 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:25.360 some sort of like Hollywood stylist. He's very into bandanas, 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.600 Like he puts bandanas on his head kind of a 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:33.200 cross it's over and so Ferrari's crossed off. So why 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.800 is Charole given all, you know, this contract extension, Why 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.680 is he signed so young? All those things? Similar to Max, 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:42.240 he is incredibly fast. Undoubtedly Leclair is a championship caliber 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.280 driver F one expert. I'll just kevlowskis he's in his 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:49.440 prime right now. His pace, especially in qualifying is unbelievable. 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:52.800 Around one lap, he's just he's just magic. The way 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.240 he hooks up that final lap in Q three, the 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.280 way he's able to kind of really just put it 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:58.880 out there as close to the walls and you know, 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:00.520 as close to the edge of the track because he can. 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:02.840 He was making these kind of mid corner corrections that 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.480 his teammate wasn't able to do. Let's let's then talk 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:09.440 about Charles the man Less the driver. He is just 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:14.280 a very earnest, like good hearted boy, Kate Lozatte again, 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.400 he grew up in Monaco and from a very young age, 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.880 like all of the brothers, got into karting because they 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.280 were really good friends with um the Bianchi family and 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.240 for those of you who are not super familiar with 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.840 F one, Jules Bianchi was an F one driver and 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.520 so like the Bianchie family was very close to Charless 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.520 and they owned a carding circuit and so they would 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:39.160 bring the Leclair boys there to to kart um. Charles 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.000 was the best one obviously out of all of them, 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.600 and so they didn't have a ton of money, so 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.920 they had to like only be able to afford to 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:51.320 like put money behind one of the boys to continue on, 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.840 and so that was Charles. Charles starts making his way 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:57.520 through the junior formulas. In the early things are looking 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:01.600 great and then unfortunately tr Judy strikes for a first time. 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.920 Charl Leclair lost his godfather at a very young age. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.200 This is a one journalist, Jenny Girl. His godfather was 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.440 Jul Bianche, who was a former F one driver and 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.240 the guy that they all said was going to go 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:18.600 to Ferrari and be their next great hope. However, he 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.280 was severely injured, critically injured in an accident in Japan. 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:27.680 You know me, I will keep you updated. So that 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.600 was the f I Press delegate Matto Bonciani saying that 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.840 Biankee is unconscious. It's the only thing he would say. 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.720 He's taking the hospital, he's on life support. He eventually 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:40.240 succumbs to his injuries and dies. Everyone was saying he 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.839 was like he was going to Ferrari. That was like 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.199 where he was going to end up. Um, that's what 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.640 he's working for. And so obviously that was like horrifyingly 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.320 hard for Charles. He was like, that's my godfather, the 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.560 man who like taught me everything I know in terms 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:58.400 of motorsport. So you know, Charles almost makes it his mission, 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.440 like he also wants to drive for Ferrari, not just 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.760 for him, but for Jewels who didn't get to fulfill that, 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.640 you know, see that goal through and accomplish that lastly 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:12.400 number one. Fast forward a couple of years, his father dies. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.960 Charles is in Formula two, so that that junior level 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.360 right below Formula one. And the story goes that just 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.160 days after his father has died, Charles goes to the 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.319 latest race, which is in Baku, Azerbaijan, and he gets 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:29.960 onto the steps in Baku having won the race with tears, 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.520 and it was such a courageous thing. I think everybody 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:34.839 in the paddocky, even though it was one of the 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:39.360 junior categories, just stood still and looked at this young 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.280 boy because at the time he was really a young 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:46.040 boy with dim poles and you know, floppy brown hair, 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.680 and you just thought this strength of character that it 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.120 took for him to even race that weekend, let alone 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:57.360 for him to race and win with something extraordinary. And 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.960 to only add two more to this story that's already sad. 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.640 When his dad was dying, Charles had hoped that he 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.680 would have news of hope that he had signed. You know, 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:08.240 he had some news about Formula one to give to 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.320 his dying father. So he goes to his dad and 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.439 he lies to him and to his dad that he 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:15.880 has signed with a Formula one team. So that his 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.920 dad can be happy, and of course Chiles buries him 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.559 knowing that he is like he's like, please, dear God, 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:22.960 let me make a formula one time, so I'm not 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.280 lying to my dad about like you know. So thankfully 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.480 he signs with the Sober Team a couple of months later, 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:30.680 but you're just like, oh my god, this guy who 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:32.840 so badly wanted his dad to be proud and like 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:34.520 to to be able to give him good news on 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:38.640 his deathbed, Like, oh God, that's just so heavy. You 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:42.080 did say these guys are filled with daddy issues. It's like, 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:46.760 you know, I like to think, uh that, yeah, I mean, 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:50.079 that's very achievement based. I have to have this achievement 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.920 to make my dad proud of me. Like, but also 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:54.520 it's like the son who wants to make that just 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.719 wants to bring some light to the dad liked his 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:04.360 heart heartbreaking and also a psychologists be very interested in that. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.720 A lot of tragedy in Charles's backs and also tragedy 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.000 on the race track. Yeah yeah, yeah, So so that's 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.320 that's charl And I think what what this all leads 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.400 to is that Charles a person he can be in 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.920 some ways. He's very much a driver's driver, right he 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.120 comes to the track. He's very into race car driving. 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.640 It's all he thinks about, you know, all of that. 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:28.079 He's also very passionate and Charles almost sometimes wants it 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.000 so badly that he'll overdo it. Right. So here's a 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:36.080 fun fact. Up until Charlott Leclaire had never finished his 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.000 home Grand Prix and Monaco, and a lot of it 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.920 comes down to not a question of if charl is 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.080 a good driver a bad driver, but I think he 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.520 just really wants it so badly, especially when he's at home, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.880 that he has a tendency to overdo it. It's very 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:55.840 common for athletes to put so much pressure on themselves 0:13:55.840 --> 0:14:00.480 that they underachieve. That's very common in all sports. Joking 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:02.600 is if that's what we're calling it, I mean it 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:08.240 is the thinnest line away from succeeding. Yeah, So I'd 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:12.280 say overall, yeah, like Charole, I think is like easy 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.200 to root for in many ways. He's got he's got 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.920 a lot going on in the back story. He's got 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.800 a lot of heart, not yet not known for being 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.960 like an awful, aggressively rude driver who's the worst and whatever. 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.760 So that's yeah, that's I guess Charo. He does seem 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:30.080 easy to root for, and uh, that's always funny when 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:31.400 you make that and then you look up the salary 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.560 and you're like, oh, and he's making twelve million dollars 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.600 a year plus endorsements. But yeah, that's that's interesting. All right. Cool, 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:41.880 that's Charles Charlotte. So who's the other driver. We'll get 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:47.040 into all of that right after the break. So who's 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.960 the other driver? Yeah, right on the other side of 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.560 the rush across from Charlotte Spaniard. Yeah. The Spanish version 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:58.560 of Charles kidding is is Carlos Science. And unlike charl 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.280 who does not really come from like storied racing family, 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:05.840 Carlos is from a hardcore racing family. His dad is 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:10.000 Carlos Sr. And Carlos signs. Sr. Is one of the 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.520 most iconic figures in a form of motorsport called rally. 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.520 The start of Stage fourteen says is driving like a 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.480 man possessed as usual. There's a lot of off roading, 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.680 there's a lot of your kind of going into you know, 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:29.200 the mountains and whatnot. It's also incredibly dangerous. The car 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:33.680 is destroyed flipping six times. SAME's head lulls about crashing 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.560 into the ground on two of the flips. He's an 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:40.160 absolute bull of a man. That was Jenny Go again. 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.880 He's called al Mattador, you know, the king when it 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.120 comes to driving. So yeah, there's some there's some good stock. 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.080 And Carlos has had quite a checkered past really when 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.640 it comes to Formula One. No problem getting into it. 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.720 Staying in it was the issue for him. So Carlos 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.640 different story than Charles. The big thing to know about 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.200 Carlos is he's kind of known as a team hopper. 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.880 He was part of Red Bull, was relatively successful and 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.160 it's just kind of bobbed around different teams trying as 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.720 best he can. He's in his ninth season currently in 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:15.360 Formula One. He's been on four teams. So he was 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.200 at Toro Rosso. He moves to a team called Reno 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.840 now called Alpine in the sport, which we'll talk about soon. 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.880 He jumps to McLaren for two seasons. Yeah, I get it. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.120 You kind of have friends like that. Yeah, the fifth 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:27.760 time they tell you it's a new job, you're kind 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.760 of like over asking questions and you're like, okay, this 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.720 is this is now up to you. Everyone thought, oh, 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.160 is he is he in trouble? Here? Is he going 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.160 to be able to stay in Formula One? And then 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.160 all of a sudden we get news that he's going 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:44.720 across to Ferrari in a most unexpected I think signing. 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:46.840 No one really thought that they were going to come 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:53.280 in and snatch a slightly senior, slightly untested driver. Yeah, 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.239 and I think for Carlos, he's really gotten the reputation 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.920 of being a driver who is super adaptable, super verse 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.920 at all, and very consistent generally speaking, Like you know, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.199 he's hopped into a bazillion different Formula one cars and 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.320 can immediately kind of figure things out generally. A disadvantage 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.320 of that is that he's No. One's number one guy, 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.960 right So at Red Bull, obviously he was there around 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.080 when Max Verstappen was coming up, and that was kind of, 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.399 you know, everyone kind of knew even then Max Stappin 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.680 is gonna be the guy. You know, Charlotte Claire is 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.280 the Ferrari guy. Even when he was at McLaren, he 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.520 was actually faster than his teammate Lando Norris. But Lando Norris, 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.400 who will talk about in our next episode, Landa Norris 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.080 was in the McLaren Young Driver's Program and was kind 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:33.920 of seen as like, no, we're we're priming him to 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.320 be the guy for us, And I think to that extent, 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.320 there's always been this question from people like, well, what 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.399 does Carlos want? Did you even want to be a 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.879 Ferrari driver? Like what what's the goal here? You know? 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.480 Is it just whatever car will get him fastest from 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.760 you know, beginning to end of race? Like what's you know? 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:49.960 That's kind of the I think the lingering question about 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.040 him or with Charles. You know that he's all in 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.680 on Ferrari as much as they're all in on him. Carlos, 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.640 you know, I think some people were surprised when he 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:00.680 went to Ferrari and McLaren looked, Yeah, he was still 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.000 finishing faster than than Lando and and technically actually finished 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.399 just ahead of him in season after he moved to Ferrari. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:11.239 So yeah, there's just a lot of mystery surrounding like 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.679 what what does Carlos signs? Does we want? Yeah, he 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:17.159 actually had a great rookie season at Ferrari. He did 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.360 beat charl Leclair, although it's one of those occasions where 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.200 the numbers don't quite tell all of the story because 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:23.720 Charles had a hell of a lot of bad luck 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:25.719 last season, but still amazing to do. You know, it's 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.360 still amazing to beat schal Leclair at his own team 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.920 in your first season at Ferrari. But he's been given 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.440 a championship level car and he just hasn't been able 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.800 to step it up to that level. Whilst hl Leclair, 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:37.720 you know, he's been given that championship card this season 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:39.639 and he's gone up a little bit of a step. 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.240 So that's what that's what kind of Carloso struggled with. 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:43.840 But he's also had a hell of a lot of 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:45.840 bad luck. I'm not you know, I don't think he's 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:47.919 gonna be in that championship fire. He's quite far behind. 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.320 But up against schul Leclair in that car, it's going 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.679 to be very difficult for anyone to beat Shoals, I 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.760 will say, though, Yeah, Carlos very well liked guy across 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.080 the grid. He has good chemistry with any teammate. He 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.680 has you know, you know, keeps things light, keeps things fun. Uh. 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.160 So that's I think a big pro in his corner. 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.280 And and Ferrari just announced that he's getting another contract 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:10.600 extension and for at least, I believe it's two more seasons, 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:14.480 so they obviously see something in him. But the other 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.120 thing to keep in mind with Ferrari is that while 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:21.200 they're young driver program isn't as ridiculously gigantic and ruthless 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.000 as Red Bulls, they do have a pretty healthy number 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.159 of young drivers who are coming up. So the question 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.680 is if Charles is their guy, where does that leave 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:31.800 Carlos in the long term, especially if he isn't performing 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.080 right And man, you must feel that if you're on 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.720 if you're a Formula One driver, you know all of 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.720 these teams have young driver. You must feel these guys 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.280 just clawing at you at all times. The next two 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.919 years are important for Carlos exactly if he kind of 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.160 takes the next step up, he's on a big enough team, 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.119 he'll be noticed, he'll get the resources. But if he 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.880 kind of just withers, yeah, I don't like that. Yeah, 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.760 anything can happen. Um, So Carlos is a lot of 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.359 question marks. I will show you Carlos. I will preface 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:05.400 by saying Carlos um loves the thirst trap also has 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:10.080 a devoted fan base just based aesthetically on what he's 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.360 up to, but this will give you an idea fan 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:20.160 base based aesthetically. Oh yeah, Spanish handsome. We got four 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.600 pictures here, two of which, thank you Lily, his shirt 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.720 is off I want to give you. It's from his instagram, 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.680 so it's gonna be the full picture of Carlos, one 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:33.719 of which he's lifting powerful dumbbells. The hair I mean, 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.360 I don't he's standing still, but the hair is moving somehow. 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.960 It's always in emotion. Yeah, so this is a handsome duo. 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:47.920 Uh and um, he looks like a Spanish stallion, even 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:52.960 though the term is Italian stallion. Yeah. Yeah, so that's 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:56.040 that's Carlos. I do find it interesting you found Charles 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.840 cute and Carlos handsome to start. I mean, that's right. 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.520 Am I wrong? But I'm interested to see what the 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:06.960 fans say. Right if you've If you've, I don't offended anyone, 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:08.800 because if you have called them both very attractive, I 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:14.320 would say that Charles feels to me like the approachable 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:20.239 member of a boy band, and um, Carlos feels like 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:24.720 movie star. Don't go anywhere near that table. You see 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.680 what I'm saying? That perfect analogy. Yeah, yea, I completely 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:31.320 see it. I'm not sensing a big rivalry between these two. 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:34.439 You even sent a video to me where they're like 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:39.560 giggling doing pressed together. Yeah, that doesn't feel like, you know, 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.920 I'm gonna I'm gonna slice this guy up on the track. 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.000