1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Game. Here, Walter, get up here, get up here. Come on, 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna chill. Okay, buddy, we're gonna at Jill Walter. 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: If you're a fan of Ferrari, don't make a noise. 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: All right, We're good. We're rolling from my Heart Radio 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: and Sports Illustrated Studios. This is choosing sides one. Wow. 6 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: So last episode we talked about how Ferrari is emerging 7 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: from this dark period and its history. It's really on 8 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: the up and up at the start of season, and 9 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: obviously I'm sure the question on your mind is who 10 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: is going to help them get the job done. All 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: we've talked about is Ferrari. There's people in the cars, 12 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: right according to Endza Ferrari, there are not they don't matter, 13 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: but there are in fact people in the cars. So yeah, 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: today we're talking about two drivers. Uh one charolet Claire. 15 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: He is British. He is monogasque, not French monogasque. Yes, okay, 16 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: and let me speak for the listeners who don't know 17 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: what that means, not me, I do what is monogasque. 18 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: He is from Monaco, which is that tiny principality that 19 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: is technically I think that's one of the smallest country whatever. 20 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,919 Speaker 1: It's also very rich. Grace Kelly left acting to marry 21 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: the former Prince of Monaco. It's a fun fact back 22 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: in the day. And uh, yeah, so it's on it's 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: on the coast of France. It's very tiny. But you 24 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: cannot tell anyone from Monico that they are basically French 25 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: because they will butt your head off. So and that 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: includes Charles, who is very clear that he is monta Gasque. 27 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: Uh and I did not know that that was what 28 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: you called somebody from Monica. I would have probably said 29 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: Monican I am, admittedly. I also did not know until 30 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: I became a Formula one fan, and now I feel 31 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: very superior to percent of the population. Want to gass 32 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: Our other driver, Carlos Science, is from Spain, which is 33 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: a little bit more straightfoward. So but those are who 34 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about today. So let's start with Charles because 35 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: he is a very fun one to talk about. And 36 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: I will say, yeah, Carlos and Charles very different backstories, 37 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: very different drivers. I also find it funny that their 38 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: names are both variations of the same name. Technically, like 39 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: Carlos is the Spanish person of Charles. I'll say Charles 40 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: is dating a woman named Charlotte. There's just a lot 41 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: of a lot of sharp stuff going on there. Uh So, okay, 42 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: we're we're gonna, We're gonna first let's break down. I 43 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: guess the general gist of this duo here. So you've 44 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: got you know, you look at red Bull, You've got 45 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: Max for step In, you know, Sergio Checho Perez. There's 46 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: a very clear number one, number two. But they do 47 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: seem to get along. They're very cool with their roles 48 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: or generally they understand what their roles are. Um, I'd 49 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: say on the surface, charl and Carlos have a very 50 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: easy banter, a very kind of friendly partnership. They've been 51 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: known to play chess against each other online, so you 52 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: can actually see it as a fan, and it's interesting 53 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: they take different approaches to their chess games, which is fascinating. 54 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: Uh And and generally, yeah, they do goofy challenge videos 55 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: together for the team. Organically, they kind of have a 56 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: lot of fun during driver interviews. It's relaxing. Do you 57 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: listen music sometimes? To realize I've sometimes started to listen 58 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: some yes in the mornings, just yes, really something that 59 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: is maybe one of of the few styles that I'm 60 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: not a big finel. Send me the playlist. Yeah, there 61 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: seems to be good vibes, so to speak between the 62 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: two of them. I'm gonna google their salaries real quick. Yes, 63 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 1: you mind if I do that, go for it. Team 64 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: Ferrari Formula one salaries. So you're looking this up. Something 65 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: funny about F one salaries is they're all secret. They're like, 66 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: you can't go to a team and ask them for 67 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: their driver's salary, but every other team will tell you 68 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: what everyone else is doing. Hence why we have the 69 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: estim nations we do have, right, So this Google's estimating 70 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: that Carlos gets ten mill and gets twelve, so pretty similar. 71 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: I mean I looked up Max and Checko and it 72 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: was four versus eight. Yeah, pretty clear discrepancy there. Yeah, 73 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: this is more even. Yeah, Charles Charol, he's twenty four 74 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: and Carlos is twenty seven. Is this recording kind of things? 75 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: In turn twenty eight and a couple of months, so, uh, 76 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, Charol younger driver, but but definitely sort of 77 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: like golden boy of the team. Carlos came in only 78 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: one season ago at the start of one, but is 79 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: only a couple of years olders. They're close in eight 80 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: It's not like some of these teams that you've got, 81 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, Lewis and George thirteen years apart. So that's 82 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: that's that's the overall gist of of Charol and Carlos. 83 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: So I think it's also fun though to talk about 84 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: them separately. Charlot is, without a doubt a percent, Ferrari's 85 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: golden boy. Interestingly, their team that has often gone with 86 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: slightly older drivers, um, including in the fifties, some of 87 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: their drivers are in like their late forties and in 88 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: early more reason for me to like them. There you go, Yeah, 89 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: you have a chance. Every time you're telling me something 90 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: about Ferrari, I am more on board. Yeah I was 91 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: gonna say, you have a chance to to be a Ferrari. No, no, 92 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: but I like that approach of not just younger's better, 93 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: like more experienced, a more savvy driver. I'm into that. Yeah. 94 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: So he yea. So Charles signed with the team in 95 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: late for the start of the nineteen season, and uh, 96 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: it was kind of a surprise when they signed him 97 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: that young again, because the team isn't necessarily known for 98 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: that like other teams are. Like a Red Bull who's 99 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: kind of known for signing and kind of pumping and 100 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: dumping people in the program. Uh. And he also at 101 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: the time that he had signed a little bit after that, 102 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: he signed a five year contract extension a year later, 103 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: which was I think considered one of the longest, if 104 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: not the longest, in F one history at the time. 105 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: So I feel great to be young and to sign 106 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: a long contract. You can finally just settle in and 107 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: just just to take a deep breath exactly. So his 108 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: contract was for through the end of so in other words, 109 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: you know, always put a lot of eggs in the 110 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: Charl basket, so to speak. And it's it's it's generally 111 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: known that he's there. Guy, he is ferrari uh and 112 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: all of that. Let me show you actually before we 113 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: move on, I'll show you a physical photos physical appearance 114 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: of Charl. I mean, I have this coaster, but it's 115 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: not a photo. You know what, Michael, I have something 116 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: better for you. I have Kate Lazat. She is the 117 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: co creator of Two Girls, One formula, Two Girls One 118 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: Formula that is in fact what yeah. But more importantly, 119 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: she's a Charo Leclaire super fan. Think of a Greek god. 120 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: Think of just like the best looking, angelic, beautiful, chiseled, 121 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: gorgeous person that you can think of, And that is 122 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: only half. He has messy brown hair. His eyes are 123 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 1: like green blue gray. They just like look like an ocean, 124 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: like you just want to like swan dive into his eyes. 125 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: Perfect eyebrows, perfect cheekbones, The bone structor is unmatched. He 126 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: is more beautiful than the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. 127 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:17,239 Speaker 1: Oh man, this is I'm getting he is, And forgive 128 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: me for describing a world class athlete this way. He's cute. 129 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: He's very cute. This motherfucker cute. Okay, like he he's cute. 130 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: That's that's Charles. He also has like his friends with 131 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: fashion designers, he's a little less flashy than he never 132 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: shows up to the track, for instance, and anything other 133 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: than his team kit right like he's ready to go, 134 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: always got the shirt on. But off track he can 135 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: be a little more stylish, which, by the way, I 136 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: do appreciate because you showed me Lewis Hamilton's showing up 137 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: with all this fancy fashion, and as time has gone on, 138 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: I've thought more about that, and there is a time 139 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: and a place to show off your fashion. And I'm 140 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: almost now becoming a little more critical of Lewis Hamilton's 141 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: doing that on an official walk through on the track. 142 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: I almost like Charles Leclair for wearing the team kick 143 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: because that's like, this is a team event, and when 144 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: it's time to go balls fashion, I'll do that too, 145 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: So I could see why that shook things up when 146 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton's does does that, I will say, Um, it's 147 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: obvious to me that Charles does not at least have 148 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: some sort of like Hollywood stylist. He's very into bandanas, 149 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: Like he puts bandanas on his head kind of a 150 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: cross it's over and so Ferrari's crossed off. So why 151 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: is Charole given all, you know, this contract extension, Why 152 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: is he signed so young? All those things? Similar to Max, 153 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: he is incredibly fast. Undoubtedly Leclair is a championship caliber 154 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: driver F one expert. I'll just kevlowskis he's in his 155 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: prime right now. His pace, especially in qualifying is unbelievable. 156 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: Around one lap, he's just he's just magic. The way 157 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: he hooks up that final lap in Q three, the 158 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: way he's able to kind of really just put it 159 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: out there as close to the walls and you know, 160 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: as close to the edge of the track because he can. 161 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: He was making these kind of mid corner corrections that 162 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: his teammate wasn't able to do. Let's let's then talk 163 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: about Charles the man Less the driver. He is just 164 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: a very earnest, like good hearted boy, Kate Lozatte again, 165 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: he grew up in Monaco and from a very young age, 166 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: like all of the brothers, got into karting because they 167 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: were really good friends with um the Bianchi family and 168 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: for those of you who are not super familiar with 169 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: F one, Jules Bianchi was an F one driver and 170 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: so like the Bianchie family was very close to Charless 171 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: and they owned a carding circuit and so they would 172 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: bring the Leclair boys there to to kart um. Charles 173 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: was the best one obviously out of all of them, 174 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: and so they didn't have a ton of money, so 175 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: they had to like only be able to afford to 176 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: like put money behind one of the boys to continue on, 177 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: and so that was Charles. Charles starts making his way 178 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: through the junior formulas. In the early things are looking 179 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: great and then unfortunately tr Judy strikes for a first time. 180 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: Charl Leclair lost his godfather at a very young age. 181 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: This is a one journalist, Jenny Girl. His godfather was 182 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: Jul Bianche, who was a former F one driver and 183 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: the guy that they all said was going to go 184 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: to Ferrari and be their next great hope. However, he 185 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: was severely injured, critically injured in an accident in Japan. 186 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: You know me, I will keep you updated. So that 187 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: was the f I Press delegate Matto Bonciani saying that 188 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: Biankee is unconscious. It's the only thing he would say. 189 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: He's taking the hospital, he's on life support. He eventually 190 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: succumbs to his injuries and dies. Everyone was saying he 191 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: was like he was going to Ferrari. That was like 192 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: where he was going to end up. Um, that's what 193 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: he's working for. And so obviously that was like horrifyingly 194 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: hard for Charles. He was like, that's my godfather, the 195 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: man who like taught me everything I know in terms 196 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: of motorsport. So you know, Charles almost makes it his mission, 197 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: like he also wants to drive for Ferrari, not just 198 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: for him, but for Jewels who didn't get to fulfill that, 199 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, see that goal through and accomplish that lastly 200 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: number one. Fast forward a couple of years, his father dies. 201 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: Charles is in Formula two, so that that junior level 202 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: right below Formula one. And the story goes that just 203 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: days after his father has died, Charles goes to the 204 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: latest race, which is in Baku, Azerbaijan, and he gets 205 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: onto the steps in Baku having won the race with tears, 206 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: and it was such a courageous thing. I think everybody 207 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: in the paddocky, even though it was one of the 208 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: junior categories, just stood still and looked at this young 209 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: boy because at the time he was really a young 210 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: boy with dim poles and you know, floppy brown hair, 211 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: and you just thought this strength of character that it 212 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: took for him to even race that weekend, let alone 213 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: for him to race and win with something extraordinary. And 214 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: to only add two more to this story that's already sad. 215 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: When his dad was dying, Charles had hoped that he 216 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: would have news of hope that he had signed. You know, 217 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: he had some news about Formula one to give to 218 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: his dying father. So he goes to his dad and 219 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: he lies to him and to his dad that he 220 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: has signed with a Formula one team. So that his 221 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: dad can be happy, and of course Chiles buries him 222 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: knowing that he is like he's like, please, dear God, 223 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: let me make a formula one time, so I'm not 224 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: lying to my dad about like you know. So thankfully 225 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: he signs with the Sober Team a couple of months later, 226 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: but you're just like, oh my god, this guy who 227 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: so badly wanted his dad to be proud and like 228 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: to to be able to give him good news on 229 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: his deathbed, Like, oh God, that's just so heavy. You 230 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: did say these guys are filled with daddy issues. It's like, 231 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: you know, I like to think, uh that, yeah, I mean, 232 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: that's very achievement based. I have to have this achievement 233 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: to make my dad proud of me. Like, but also 234 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: it's like the son who wants to make that just 235 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: wants to bring some light to the dad liked his 236 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: heart heartbreaking and also a psychologists be very interested in that. 237 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: A lot of tragedy in Charles's backs and also tragedy 238 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: on the race track. Yeah yeah, yeah, So so that's 239 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: that's charl And I think what what this all leads 240 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: to is that Charles a person he can be in 241 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: some ways. He's very much a driver's driver, right he 242 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: comes to the track. He's very into race car driving. 243 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: It's all he thinks about, you know, all of that. 244 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: He's also very passionate and Charles almost sometimes wants it 245 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: so badly that he'll overdo it. Right. So here's a 246 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: fun fact. Up until Charlott Leclaire had never finished his 247 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: home Grand Prix and Monaco, and a lot of it 248 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: comes down to not a question of if charl is 249 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: a good driver a bad driver, but I think he 250 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: just really wants it so badly, especially when he's at home, 251 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: that he has a tendency to overdo it. It's very 252 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: common for athletes to put so much pressure on themselves 253 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: that they underachieve. That's very common in all sports. Joking 254 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: is if that's what we're calling it, I mean it 255 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: is the thinnest line away from succeeding. Yeah, So I'd 256 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: say overall, yeah, like Charole, I think is like easy 257 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: to root for in many ways. He's got he's got 258 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: a lot going on in the back story. He's got 259 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: a lot of heart, not yet not known for being 260 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: like an awful, aggressively rude driver who's the worst and whatever. 261 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: So that's yeah, that's I guess Charo. He does seem 262 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: easy to root for, and uh, that's always funny when 263 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: you make that and then you look up the salary 264 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, and he's making twelve million dollars 265 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: a year plus endorsements. But yeah, that's that's interesting. All right. Cool, 266 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: that's Charles Charlotte. So who's the other driver. We'll get 267 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: into all of that right after the break. So who's 268 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: the other driver? Yeah, right on the other side of 269 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: the rush across from Charlotte Spaniard. Yeah. The Spanish version 270 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: of Charles kidding is is Carlos Science. And unlike charl 271 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: who does not really come from like storied racing family, 272 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: Carlos is from a hardcore racing family. His dad is 273 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: Carlos Sr. And Carlos signs. Sr. Is one of the 274 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: most iconic figures in a form of motorsport called rally. 275 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: The start of Stage fourteen says is driving like a 276 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: man possessed as usual. There's a lot of off roading, 277 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of your kind of going into you know, 278 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: the mountains and whatnot. It's also incredibly dangerous. The car 279 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: is destroyed flipping six times. SAME's head lulls about crashing 280 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: into the ground on two of the flips. He's an 281 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: absolute bull of a man. That was Jenny Go again. 282 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: He's called al Mattador, you know, the king when it 283 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: comes to driving. So yeah, there's some there's some good stock. 284 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: And Carlos has had quite a checkered past really when 285 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: it comes to Formula One. No problem getting into it. 286 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: Staying in it was the issue for him. So Carlos 287 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: different story than Charles. The big thing to know about 288 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: Carlos is he's kind of known as a team hopper. 289 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: He was part of Red Bull, was relatively successful and 290 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: it's just kind of bobbed around different teams trying as 291 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: best he can. He's in his ninth season currently in 292 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: Formula One. He's been on four teams. So he was 293 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: at Toro Rosso. He moves to a team called Reno 294 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: now called Alpine in the sport, which we'll talk about soon. 295 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: He jumps to McLaren for two seasons. Yeah, I get it. 296 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: You kind of have friends like that. Yeah, the fifth 297 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: time they tell you it's a new job, you're kind 298 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: of like over asking questions and you're like, okay, this 299 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: is this is now up to you. Everyone thought, oh, 300 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: is he is he in trouble? Here? Is he going 301 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: to be able to stay in Formula One? And then 302 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: all of a sudden we get news that he's going 303 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: across to Ferrari in a most unexpected I think signing. 304 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: No one really thought that they were going to come 305 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: in and snatch a slightly senior, slightly untested driver. Yeah, 306 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,239 Speaker 1: and I think for Carlos, he's really gotten the reputation 307 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: of being a driver who is super adaptable, super verse 308 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: at all, and very consistent generally speaking, Like you know, 309 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: he's hopped into a bazillion different Formula one cars and 310 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: can immediately kind of figure things out generally. A disadvantage 311 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: of that is that he's No. One's number one guy, 312 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: right So at Red Bull, obviously he was there around 313 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: when Max Verstappen was coming up, and that was kind of, 314 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: you know, everyone kind of knew even then Max Stappin 315 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: is gonna be the guy. You know, Charlotte Claire is 316 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: the Ferrari guy. Even when he was at McLaren, he 317 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: was actually faster than his teammate Lando Norris. But Lando Norris, 318 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: who will talk about in our next episode, Landa Norris 319 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: was in the McLaren Young Driver's Program and was kind 320 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: of seen as like, no, we're we're priming him to 321 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: be the guy for us, And I think to that extent, 322 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: there's always been this question from people like, well, what 323 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: does Carlos want? Did you even want to be a 324 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: Ferrari driver? Like what what's the goal here? You know? 325 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: Is it just whatever car will get him fastest from 326 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, beginning to end of race? Like what's you know? 327 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: That's kind of the I think the lingering question about 328 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: him or with Charles. You know that he's all in 329 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: on Ferrari as much as they're all in on him. Carlos, 330 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think some people were surprised when he 331 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: went to Ferrari and McLaren looked, Yeah, he was still 332 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: finishing faster than than Lando and and technically actually finished 333 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: just ahead of him in season after he moved to Ferrari. 334 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,239 Speaker 1: So yeah, there's just a lot of mystery surrounding like 335 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: what what does Carlos signs? Does we want? Yeah, he 336 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: actually had a great rookie season at Ferrari. He did 337 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: beat charl Leclair, although it's one of those occasions where 338 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: the numbers don't quite tell all of the story because 339 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: Charles had a hell of a lot of bad luck 340 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 1: last season, but still amazing to do. You know, it's 341 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: still amazing to beat schal Leclair at his own team 342 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: in your first season at Ferrari. But he's been given 343 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: a championship level car and he just hasn't been able 344 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: to step it up to that level. Whilst hl Leclair, 345 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: you know, he's been given that championship card this season 346 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: and he's gone up a little bit of a step. 347 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: So that's what that's what kind of Carloso struggled with. 348 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: But he's also had a hell of a lot of 349 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: bad luck. I'm not you know, I don't think he's 350 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: gonna be in that championship fire. He's quite far behind. 351 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: But up against schul Leclair in that car, it's going 352 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: to be very difficult for anyone to beat Shoals, I 353 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: will say, though, Yeah, Carlos very well liked guy across 354 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: the grid. He has good chemistry with any teammate. He 355 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: has you know, you know, keeps things light, keeps things fun. Uh. 356 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: So that's I think a big pro in his corner. 357 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: And and Ferrari just announced that he's getting another contract 358 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: extension and for at least, I believe it's two more seasons, 359 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: so they obviously see something in him. But the other 360 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: thing to keep in mind with Ferrari is that while 361 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: they're young driver program isn't as ridiculously gigantic and ruthless 362 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: as Red Bulls, they do have a pretty healthy number 363 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: of young drivers who are coming up. So the question 364 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: is if Charles is their guy, where does that leave 365 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: Carlos in the long term, especially if he isn't performing 366 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: right And man, you must feel that if you're on 367 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: if you're a Formula One driver, you know all of 368 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: these teams have young driver. You must feel these guys 369 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: just clawing at you at all times. The next two 370 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: years are important for Carlos exactly if he kind of 371 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: takes the next step up, he's on a big enough team, 372 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: he'll be noticed, he'll get the resources. But if he 373 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: kind of just withers, yeah, I don't like that. Yeah, 374 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: anything can happen. Um, So Carlos is a lot of 375 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: question marks. I will show you Carlos. I will preface 376 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: by saying Carlos um loves the thirst trap also has 377 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: a devoted fan base just based aesthetically on what he's 378 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: up to, but this will give you an idea fan 379 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: base based aesthetically. Oh yeah, Spanish handsome. We got four 380 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: pictures here, two of which, thank you Lily, his shirt 381 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: is off I want to give you. It's from his instagram, 382 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: so it's gonna be the full picture of Carlos, one 383 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,719 Speaker 1: of which he's lifting powerful dumbbells. The hair I mean, 384 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: I don't he's standing still, but the hair is moving somehow. 385 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: It's always in emotion. Yeah, so this is a handsome duo. 386 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: Uh and um, he looks like a Spanish stallion, even 387 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: though the term is Italian stallion. Yeah. Yeah, so that's 388 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: that's Carlos. I do find it interesting you found Charles 389 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: cute and Carlos handsome to start. I mean, that's right. 390 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: Am I wrong? But I'm interested to see what the 391 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: fans say. Right if you've If you've, I don't offended anyone, 392 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: because if you have called them both very attractive, I 393 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: would say that Charles feels to me like the approachable 394 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:20,239 Speaker 1: member of a boy band, and um, Carlos feels like 395 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: movie star. Don't go anywhere near that table. You see 396 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: what I'm saying? That perfect analogy. Yeah, yea, I completely 397 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: see it. I'm not sensing a big rivalry between these two. 398 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: You even sent a video to me where they're like 399 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: giggling doing pressed together. Yeah, that doesn't feel like, you know, 400 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna slice this guy up on the track. 401 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: Is that a problem for them? But they're not like 402 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 1: more hating each other. It's interesting they feel like there 403 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: was a lot of camaraderie when when the car was 404 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: still struggling last year, you know, when they were fighting 405 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: for that that third place in the championship. You know, 406 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: they weren't even in real championship contention. I feel like 407 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: there's there's something be said for right when you're both like, 408 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, we're really slogging through it, and you know 409 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: Charle was was really slogging through it after so you know, 410 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: there's a little bit more support there to be given. 411 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: Things are starting to get a little bit complicated. As 412 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: we've talked about, Charole is the golden boy of Ferrari. However, 413 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: Carlos I would say is no slouch either. He definitely 414 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: is not considered the future of the team. He's not 415 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: the guy the whole team is kind of being built around. 416 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: But he's still a very strong driver who wants to 417 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: win and wants to succeed and wants to do well, 418 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: so that, as you can imagine, does start to create 419 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: some conflict to begin with. Just because two young millionaires 420 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: giggle during a two minute press conference doesn't mean they're 421 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: best friends exactly. We don't really know. Yeah, I think 422 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: for the first time in a while firm Ferrari, their 423 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: drivers are very equal footing Kate Lizzott. Again, they're very 424 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: similar ages, very similar skill sets and and experience levels. 425 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: So something that has been really interesting about Ferrari team 426 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: boss Mattia he has made it clear that he's fine 427 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: with his drivers racing it out between each other, keep 428 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: it on the track. I like that. He's like, we're 429 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: trying to get back to where Ferrari used to be, 430 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: so we are going to make the decisions to make 431 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: that happen. While it's super entertaining for us as fans 432 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: and a spectators, that causes problems for the team. Carlos, 433 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: I think, is still trying to fight for it, and 434 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: the fact that team leadership at Ferrari isn't making it 435 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: clear at this point in the season who they're going 436 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: to prioritize could potentially make that worse. I mean, as 437 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: soon as you allow yourself to be the number two guy, 438 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: the other teams see you as the number two guy also, 439 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: and then you can almost never escape that, like you 440 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: almost just have to be alpha, alpha, alpha all day long, 441 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: and then you die in alpha. That's my opinion. I mean, 442 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: as a guy who was number six on his collegiate 443 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: tennis team, that number two position, that that label is tough. 444 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. 445 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: So I guess to give the final pictures here. I 446 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: think most people, even if you're a neutral, even if 447 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: you've never heard of Formula one until you've listened to 448 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: this podcast, you can get behind Ferrari. This year. We're 449 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: hearing from Jenny Girl because they've been so rubbish all 450 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: of a sudden to come out with a decent car 451 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: with two fabulous drivers. It's just really exciting. And they're 452 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: called the prancing Horse for a reason because when it's performing, 453 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: you're there on your tippy toes going, oh my goodness, 454 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: this is great. It's it's a real thing of joy 455 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: to see Ferrari back to where they've been in the past. 456 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: You know, one of the most dominant teams in Formula one. Well, 457 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: the history also the seventy year that just builds up. 458 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: You have your kid become a fan and that kid's 459 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: kid because yeah, so it just keeps building exactly. Yeah. 460 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: And then if we're talking about drivers, obviously a lot 461 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 1: of love to Charles Charlette Claire is probably the most 462 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: likable guy on the grid, I would say, in terms 463 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: of who he is, what he stands for, and his 464 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: journey into Formula one which has been extraordinary. But cut 465 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: through all of that, he's just a great guy who 466 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: can drive blomen fast. Yeah, it's just a it's a 467 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: fairy tale story. And um, I've did underneath the podium 468 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: and shed a couple of tiers for him. And I 469 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: think when someone manages to do that to our cynical 470 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: journalist cynical journalists, then they have a lot going for them. 471 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: And above all else, if esthetics are important, the bone 472 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: structure is excellent. So instructor is a bonus bonus. And 473 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: then Carlos, uh, you know, despite Carlos kind of being 474 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: in the kind of odd position of number two, but 475 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: also evenly matched generally, you know, and not necessarily an 476 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: obvious number two, he is, like I said, a very 477 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: con asistant driver where you know where charl might have 478 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: some issues, Carlos can kind of ye be that more consistent, 479 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: reliable driver at times. So if you're into that, if 480 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: you're someone who has job hopped a lot in life 481 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: and don't want to be held against you, you know, 482 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: Carlos could could be the guy to to go with. 483 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: And he just signed for two more years after this 484 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: year with Ferrari, so uh, it's no no small feat 485 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: given that they do have a pretty deep stable of 486 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: younger drivers really chomping at the bit. I think I 487 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: like a team where both drivers can win, as opposed 488 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: to a team that's making the calculation of we're going 489 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: to set up one driver to win with using our 490 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: other driver because so many things are unpredictable in sport, 491 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: and especially with these engines and the tracks and the 492 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: humidity and the weather. Having to championship drivers, in my opinion, 493 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: seems like the strategy that I would want to adopt. Uh. 494 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: If I was Carlos and I even felt a smidgeon 495 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: of Charles is our guy, Carlos is number two, I 496 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: would be so motivated to fucking win everything, you know, 497 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: So maybe that's what he's thinking yeah. So out of 498 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: out of charlond and Carlos, do you have a preference 499 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: or similar to their championship stuff? Are you evenly matched 500 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: on how you feel? I guess I'm leaning towards Carlos, 501 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: and I can't exactly tell you why other than um, 502 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: I'm getting a sense that that that he might be 503 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: Let's sign him for a couple of years. We'll see 504 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: if our young guys come up. You know, he's a 505 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: good place holder, and I just this guy is probably one. 506 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: He is one of the best of the best of 507 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: the best, and I want him to kind of. I 508 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: love when someone can prove I'm not a number two. 509 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm not wait, I'm not a placeholder. I'm not wait 510 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: for the new young guy to come up. I'm gonna 511 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna smoke your ass right now. And I mean, 512 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: I think the abs have also gotten to you. Let's 513 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: be let's be honest. Him doing an upright dumbbell lift 514 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: shirt off that also helped. Yeah, and so out of 515 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: your your current I would say the topics you got George, 516 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: and you really like Checko, I do like check Yeah, 517 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: And then Carlos, is there one that's really rising thus 518 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: far out Um, I'm a new dad. Yeah, it's probably 519 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: probably Checko at this point. Yeah, probably check But I 520 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: realize that's kind of silly because he's like almost admitted 521 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: to being the number two. But um, we need more 522 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: thirty year olds racing. We can't just have been seventeen 523 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: all the time. So I like that. I mean, I 524 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: think Checo would love to know that he's number one 525 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: in your heart. Now, Yeah he's number one, even though 526 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: he's number two. But you know what I mean, I've 527 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: not brought up Max at all. He's not my favorite 528 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: right now. Where Michael Costa stands is probably Checko for 529 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: the driver and Ferrari for the team, you know what 530 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: I mean. So I don't know what that means. I've 531 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: only have only been introduced to three teams and six drivers, 532 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: so we're a third of the way through. But you've 533 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: got your guy. So yeah. So next week we're talking 534 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: about another really iconic brand within the sport and team 535 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: within the sport of Formula One, and that is McLaren Clarence. 536 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: So we got McLaren. They are known for the papaya 537 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: orange and they are also a team that uh is 538 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: amongst the winningst ever. But they have struggled in recent years. 539 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: They've really had to rebuild their program. Uh, and they 540 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: have a very very intriguing lineup to have arguably, actually, 541 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: someone say, the most marketable to drivers of anyone on 542 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: the grid. You have the very kind of slightly nerdy 543 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: and giggly young man in Lando Norris, who's incredibly fast 544 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: but very young. And then you have got the perennial 545 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: fan favorite in Daniel Ricardo, Australian guy, big personality. He 546 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: has come on your program or Trevor knows program that 547 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: you also are on. Yeah, I mean I noticed he 548 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: was on the show and they always announced the guest 549 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show and people always clap, 550 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: but when they said his name d people went nuts. 551 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: Well we'll talk about how Yeah, Daniel Ricardo and Lando 552 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: Norris are definitely the two drivers that that come up 553 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: among the most in terms of who who are the 554 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: two favorites for for a lot of people. So they 555 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: but they definitely have an interesting dynamic because you've got 556 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: two drivers who are ten years apart in age, and 557 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: you know what happens when the older, more experienced, more 558 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: beloved driver who's been around the block for a lot 559 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: longer starts struggling, and the young guy is the one 560 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: that you know. The one year old is the one 561 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: who's who's really bringing home the hardware. So lots of 562 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: talk about McLaren. They've got a dude bro, California surfer guy, 563 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: team boss. So yeah, much much to do American American 564 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: literal California bro. So lots lots of talk about with McLaren. 565 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: I look forward to thank you, Lily. Yeah, it's cool, okay, right, 566 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: your free Walter. This has been Choosing Sides f one, 567 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: a production of Sports Illustrated Studios and I Heart Radio. 568 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: The show was hosted by Michael Costa and Lilly Hart. 569 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Lily Herman and our senior 570 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: producer hi Mi Taal, who also did the sound design 571 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: at the Cutting Room Studios. We are recorded by engineer 572 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: Robot Larry, the second mastering by Cello Weisblu. 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