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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always ready for an

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Speaker 1: unexpected podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesley

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Speaker 1: podcast studio with Jordan rod Rieg, the same woman who

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Speaker 1: just twenty minutes ago left the studio to get ready

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Speaker 1: and move on with the rest of her day. And

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Speaker 1: then we called her back because I first learned from

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Speaker 1: your text that John Harbaugh has been fired as head

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Speaker 1: coach of the Baltimore Ravens. That comes from our insiders

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Speaker 1: at NFL Network and many other places, and so we're

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Speaker 1: going to do a show, a quick one about this.

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Speaker 1: You will also have our great See You Next Tuesday

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Speaker 1: show popping up in your feed on Wednesday, where we

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Speaker 1: go through some awards and some holiday cards, and that's

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Speaker 1: fun too. But man, John Harbaugh, there just aren't many

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Speaker 1: coaches in this history recent history of the NFL that

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Speaker 1: it's stayed in the job that long. He's the second

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Speaker 1: longest head coach in terms of tenure in the league.

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Speaker 1: But he's been the head coach of the Ravens for

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Speaker 1: eighteen of their thirty seasons. They've only had three coaches.

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Speaker 1: Marcha Broda had a couple of years and it was

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Speaker 1: Brian Billick, who won a Super Bowl. John Harbaugh won

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl. But it's been a while and they

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Speaker 1: decided this was the time to do it. I'll let

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Speaker 1: you start anywhere that you want.

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Speaker 2: Jordan, Well, we had thought that this was a really

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Speaker 2: genuine possibility.

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Speaker 1: We've been banging this drama on NFL daily for a while.

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Speaker 1: That the timing made sense.

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Speaker 3: The timing of it made sense.

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Speaker 2: You have made the great point multiple times, Greg that

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Speaker 2: because the Ravens are a well run organization and that

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Speaker 2: they're a good team, that to look at the stall

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Speaker 2: outs that seem to happen to this team over the

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Speaker 2: last couple of years and the lack of playoff runs

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Speaker 2: and all of those things, that change was necessary. And

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Speaker 2: I think it's also true, and I know that our

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Speaker 2: friend Daniel Jeremiah believes this as well, that wherever John

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Speaker 2: Harbaugh goes next is going to have an incredible ripple

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Speaker 2: effect across the entire NFL. Even teams that currently have

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Speaker 2: head coaches employed may think long and hard about this.

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Speaker 2: And also that whoever the Ravens go with next, the

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Speaker 2: process is sure to be thorough and they want somebody

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Speaker 2: there for the long term.

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Speaker 1: All great points. Let's start about the impact around the league,

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Speaker 1: because I do think that Harbaugh was the missing piece

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Speaker 1: for this news cycle, and there were six openings before

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Speaker 1: and people thought it was going to be less of

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Speaker 1: a year. Mike McDaniel in Miami feels like the obvious

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Speaker 1: guy who could be in trouble because they might be

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Speaker 1: a team that would want to go after John Harbaugh.

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Speaker 3: There are two where there's smoke. There's fire flares.

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Speaker 2: For me, you know when the hair on the back

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Speaker 2: of your neck starts tingling a little bit. And these

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Speaker 2: are the two for me. One that the team has

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Speaker 2: not definitiatively come out and said or stated that Mike

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Speaker 2: that he's not going to be taking a huge role

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Speaker 2: in the GM interviews to this point. The second was,

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Speaker 2: you know I reported this, ESPN initially reported this, and

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Speaker 2: I confirm this this afternoon via source that Chad Alexander,

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Speaker 2: the assistant general manager of the Jim Harbaugh led Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles Chargers with under former Ravens assistant Joe Hortizy, he

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Speaker 2: will be interviewing for the Miami Dolphins general manager position.

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Speaker 2: So if we're going to do the Windy pointing.

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Speaker 4: Yes, a little.

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Speaker 3: What's going on in Miami?

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Speaker 2: To me, the red flags point toward, first of all,

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Speaker 2: the Dolphins, I think rightfully going through all of their

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Speaker 2: that's a big if at this point. With Harbaugh loose,

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Speaker 2: then they are looking at three candidates who he has

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Speaker 2: looking at other candidates including are our guy Alec Hallaby,

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Speaker 2: assistants Caama, the Philadelphia Eagles, and John Eric Sullivan, who

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Speaker 2: to me, this Miami Dolphins team is doing a lot

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Speaker 2: Chad Alexander was not included in the initial announcement of

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Speaker 1: Well, it's just funny how many connections there are and

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Speaker 1: because I think the timing of it, that it didn't

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Speaker 1: Mike Garrifolo, just to name our guys. NFL network was

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Speaker 1: to that Jesse Minter is going to almost certainly be

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Speaker 1: a candidate in Baltimore because of his history there, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Timing matters here, and the Ravens might not have wanted

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Speaker 1: And similarly, like the Dolphins are getting there ducks in

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Speaker 1: a row for many different possibilities. Yes, the interesting part

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Speaker 1: about all this is there's no guarantee that they can

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Speaker 1: have interest from other organizations. Giants reporters have more or

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Speaker 1: two that if Harbaugh were to become available, that he

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Speaker 1: Who knows if another Michigan connection, Tom Brady would want

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Speaker 1: to be fascinating over the next cuple weeks. And Frankly,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to see another coach with Lamar Jackson number one.

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Speaker 4: That's why I think it made sense.

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Speaker 1: I just think you had to find another coach from

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Speaker 4: There's like a lot of doation hiring Macnation.

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Speaker 2: Right because this is this is a situation where John

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Speaker 2: John Harbaugh has the cat bird seat here. John Harbaugh

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Speaker 2: will have multiple franchises where they currently have a game.

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Speaker 4: For God, Gavin wouldn't hire.

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Speaker 3: People were a little off put by by by all

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Speaker 2: And but now John Harbaugh will not only have the

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Speaker 2: change at head coach. For while, I think this is fascinating,

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Speaker 2: it puts Kevin Stefanski, previously considered maybe the top candidate

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Speaker 2: This all come this changes so much about this cycle

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Speaker 3: It's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right that the ultimate ending of all this,

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Speaker 1: reuniting with Kevin Stefanski in Arizona. But all that all

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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh, according to all the reporting that was happening

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Speaker 1: He had a five and eleven season, he had an

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Speaker 4: They turn it around. In the short term.

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Speaker 1: a really strong front office GM. Eric DeCosta has done

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's like it's a great marriage. It

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Speaker 4: eighteen freaking years. That's a long time.

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Speaker 3: Because of the strength of the front office.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just the GM, it's also the tenure

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Speaker 2: It is also the scouting The tenure of the scouting

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Speaker 3: That is what the Ravens have been so good at.

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Speaker 2: It is the rare, rare case of I think it's

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Speaker 2: totally fine that there's going to be an overhang GM.

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Speaker 2: I think normally, I think that's a terrible decision for

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Speaker 4: Well, I will edit out any of the Raven's parts.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not wholly convinced that Harbaugh is gonna be

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Speaker 1: I think it's okay to point out that he's sixty

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Speaker 4: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: We like Aaron Sorkin, walked and talked all the way back.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, as I wasn't leaving or anything, but as

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Speaker 1: I got your text to get a call from another producer,

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Speaker 1: Jason Kleman, it's like, don't leave.

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Speaker 4: We got to get this in the book. So we

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Speaker 4: appreciate everyone for checking us out. Like I said, we

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Speaker 4: will be back.

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Speaker 1: On Wednesday, and it usually is a Tuesday show, but

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Speaker 1: it's a special one. We're going to be reading all

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Speaker 1: those holiday cards that we got and we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: giving out all the awards. A little bit of news,

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Speaker 1: including that the Kingsbury Fiery got some takes on that

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Speaker 1: we will see that

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Speaker 2: M hm