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Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast The So why don't you just meet

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Speaker 1: me in the middle edition, as we take stock of

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Speaker 1: the Bengals at the midway point of training cam coming up,

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Speaker 1: Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Hobson joins me to discuss

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Speaker 1: several topics, including what players have impressed us the most,

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Speaker 1: But before I get to Jeff, it's a fun facts

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Speaker 1: conversation with a player who has a really interesting personal history,

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Speaker 1: Wide receiver and former child actor Trenton Irwin. The Bengals

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Speaker 1: get to football. One of the regular features on our

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Speaker 1: Bengals Radio Network pregame show is my weekly fun Facts

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Speaker 1: interview where you get to know the person under the pad.

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Speaker 1: This week's subject is a guy who is having an

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Speaker 1: Irwin from Glendale, California, not far from Los Angeles, and

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Speaker 1: Let's start with acting. You were a child actor, mostly

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Speaker 1: Hobson all Right, Butch, I've come up with a series

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Speaker 1: had to check into the Steelers game because they had

427
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Speaker 1: all those COVID protocol problems with their EBS plus injuries

428
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Speaker 1: and Louie and Rumo said Davis had to introduce himself

429
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Speaker 1: in the huddle. Basically played played like a career high

430
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Speaker 1: seventy percent of the snaps. So you know, you got

431
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Speaker 1: a root for a guy like that who stands up

432
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Speaker 1: there and says, look, I'm just trying to get to

433
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Speaker 1: you know. You know, I just want to play for

434
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Speaker 1: the same team two years in a row. I mean,

435
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great story. My guy is Trenton Irwin.

436
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: Every day at training camp, he does something that catches

437
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Speaker 1: your eye, and he's this year's Auden Tate without as

438
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Speaker 1: many spectacular catches that you know, everybody immediately tweets about

439
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 1: another unbelievable play by Auden Tate like he's had in

440
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Speaker 1: previous training camps. They're not necessarily spectacular by Trenton Irwin.

441
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Speaker 1: But I'm thinking if you added up total receptions in

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Speaker 1: training camp, I suspect he would be the leader. He's

443
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Speaker 1: certainly close. By the way you kind of carried over

444
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Speaker 1: to the game with three catch for thirty five yards

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Speaker 1: and a tackle and kickoff coverage. You'll probably get a

446
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: chance to return a punt before camp is over. So

447
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: it's been very fun to watch, took a took a

448
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: hilacious shot and held on. Um. By the way hoarder

449
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: you lead me, I think in my career tweets by

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Speaker 1: a H, I think, uh, you've got a great uh.

451
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Speaker 1: And I didn't realize this, but you're obviously a great

452
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Speaker 1: home homework reveal. I guess he was a child actor.

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Speaker 1: I guess, which I'm anxious to hear about that, and

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Speaker 1: I'll be looking for that. I guess that's that's coming

455
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Speaker 1: up right. It's a matter of fact, you're not aware

456
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Speaker 1: of this because of the way we're recording this podcast,

457
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Speaker 1: but people listening will have already heard. Trenton Irwin discussed

458
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Speaker 1: that in My Fun Facts interview with him. He was

459
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Speaker 1: a child actor in commercials for big time companies Subway, Microsoft,

460
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Speaker 1: Velveta Cheese, and he comes from a family of commercial actors.

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00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: His dad acted in commercials. Enjoyed it. It wasn't his

462
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: wasn't what he did for a living, but he enjoyed it,

463
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Speaker 1: so he got the whole family into it. Trenton said

464
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Speaker 1: it paid well. He was making like ten to fifteen

465
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Speaker 1: thousand bucks doing these commercials. As a kid. He thought

466
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: it was going to be his college fund and then

467
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Speaker 1: he went to Stanford for free as a college athlete.

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Speaker 1: How about that? That's a dan Hord. There you go.

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Speaker 1: I figured i'd plugged that. That's a good. Uh, that's

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Speaker 1: an excellent review of that. Now I don't have to

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Speaker 1: listen to it, but I will very good. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's move on to another topic. Early in camp, were

473
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Speaker 1: you worried about Joe Burrow? And how do you feel? Now? Yeah,

474
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Speaker 1: honestly I was, you know, you wonder. I guess I

475
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Speaker 1: wasn't worried until like that last bad practice. Until then,

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Speaker 1: I'd been you know, I've been buying the buying it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was early, and it was you know, jeez, you

478
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Speaker 1: just he wasn't even barely eight months removed from surgery,

479
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Speaker 1: and I was trying to think back about how cash

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Speaker 1: and looked and I'm not and I'm not sure the

481
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Speaker 1: Casson was even doing stuff like that then at that point.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. For some reason, I just remember Casson

483
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden appearing in the third preseason game

484
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Speaker 1: and looking like a combination of Brady and a Rod.

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Speaker 1: You know, so I can't I couldn't. I guess that

486
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Speaker 1: maybe that's because of my my age. I'm failing my memory.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I was, I was, I was. I was.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't until that last practice though, when they were

489
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Speaker 1: when it was really bad, I think, and I think

490
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Speaker 1: it was bad enough where Joe really maybe maybe that

491
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Speaker 1: was the practice where you know, he said I gotta

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Speaker 1: get by, you know, I gotta do so because if

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Speaker 1: you remember, I think it was that next day that

494
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Speaker 1: he did the news conference and it was after that

495
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: bad where it was pretty it was that same like

496
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Speaker 1: forty eight hours or something and that and from what

497
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Speaker 1: apparently what he said was it was his idea. He

498
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: went to the coaches and said, hey, I need more

499
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Speaker 1: traffic in the I need more traffic in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I was. I was okay until that last day,

501
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Speaker 1: you know, and then I uh, but then when you know,

502
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Speaker 1: when then. But I felt better even before he practiced.

503
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: I felt better after he talked because I said, Okay,

504
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's you know, I thought, after I

505
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: heard him talk, I said, he's gonna be okay. He

506
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Speaker 1: knows what's going you know, you know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's one of those guys if you listen

508
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: to him you're ready to you know, you probably go

509
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Speaker 1: follow him wherever he went. He's one of those guys,

510
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm even if you're in the I mean,

511
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Speaker 1: even if you're you know, I mean, even if you're

512
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Speaker 1: in the media, you get that sense. So, uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was a little it was that that last day,

514
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Speaker 1: I mean a little concerned. I already shared my feelings

515
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Speaker 1: on that topic. Yes, I was a little worried. Now

516
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Speaker 1: I'm not worried whatsoever. So I'm very excited to see

517
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Speaker 1: him in year two of his NFL career. Would you

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Speaker 1: play him in the final preseason game next week against

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Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. Absolutely not. It's just too many We've

520
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: seen it. We've seen too many weird things happen. Or

521
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Speaker 1: you've been doing this thing. You've been doing these games,

522
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Speaker 1: even doing the NFL since eleven every day, you know,

523
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Speaker 1: I you know, it's it's I mean, it's it's I've

524
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Speaker 1: seen some stuff that you wouldn't think you'd believed. Just

525
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Speaker 1: just get him to the gig. Just get him to

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Speaker 1: the gig, you know, I mean I thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: like I was telling you before he went on. The

528
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Speaker 1: Bengals played Tom Brady in the year after his he

529
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Speaker 1: tore his ACL and an O eight opener. He came

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Speaker 1: back at oh nine and in his first game he

531
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Speaker 1: was ten of fifteen, and then the next night they played.

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Speaker 1: The next week, they played the Bengals in Foxborough, the

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Speaker 1: famous game where he started, went four of eight, but

534
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Speaker 1: it was won actually by a chad Ocho Sinko extra point.

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Speaker 1: So you can tell your grandkids that that. Anybody listening

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Speaker 1: who saw that game can say that they saw a

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Speaker 1: game started by Tom Brady won by a chad Ochocinco

538
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Speaker 1: extra point. But he played in that one. So but

539
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: that was, you know, for something I don't know. And

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00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: Carson played once, famously played once. He played into the

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Speaker 1: third quarter one time against Green Bay. But I just can't,

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Speaker 1: I just I just it's a different league, it's a

543
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: different time. Joe's a different guy. It was, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was No. I just think he did well without

545
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: a preseason. He should have won the opener as a

546
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Speaker 1: rookie without ever playing in the NFL. If the referee

547
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: keeps the flag in his pocket. It's one of the

548
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: great Burrows signature moments that Dwarfs might have. Anything that

549
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: would have Dwarfs. Anything he did besides maybe winning the

550
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: national championship. So I'm fine, get him to the gate

551
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: September twelfth. Zimmer and Paul Gunther are going to be

552
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: a formidable enough. Don't throw in fortunate feet too. I

553
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: have been joking for weeks or months that I would

554
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Speaker 1: not allow him to attend any of the preseason games,

555
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: much less playing them, you know, at lock him in

556
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Speaker 1: his house and forbid him from coming to the stadium.

557
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: But my resolve is weakening. Like you were saying earlier,

558
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: he has a way of rallying you to his viewpoint,

559
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: and clearly he wants to get out on the field again.

560
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: So if they do it, I don't necessarily think it's

561
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Speaker 1: some mistake. I will be nervous. I hope they are.

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00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: You know, a handful of the safest play calls in

563
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: the history of football, handoffs, the screen passes something where

564
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: it's virtually impossible to get hit. Like you're saying, strange

565
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: things can happen. I feet can get tangled, stuff like that.

566
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Speaker 1: But if he plays, I hope that the play calls

567
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: are the safest ones that Zach Taylor has in his playbook.

568
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: Boomer almost sold me, and you were you were in

569
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Speaker 1: here when you and lap and I had talked to Boomer,

570
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: he was selling it pretty good about playing and uh,

571
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: you know that that that kind of convinced me almost

572
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: maybe he should. But you know, if we're just talking

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Speaker 1: about a couple of handoffs in a screen, you know

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Speaker 1: why bother so. But I understand where you guys are

575
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: coming from too. And I'm sure you know if he

576
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Speaker 1: comes out and he has a bad first half against

577
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: Minnesota because he didn't play, you know, you could say, well,

578
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: he's not he's not very sharp. So I can see both.

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Speaker 1: I think this is one of those forty where we

580
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 1: both get an a in philosophy. That thought, if we

581
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Speaker 1: were taking a philosophy course at the Hall of Languages

582
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: in Syracuse, how would you describe the state of the

583
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Speaker 1: offensive line at this point? I think it's obviously it's evolving,

584
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: as they say, and whenever you say evolving in sports,

585
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: we get a little nervous. But I also think it's

586
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Speaker 1: clearly in a new direction with Pollock. I mean, these

587
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: guys have seemed to have bought into Frank Pollock, the

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Speaker 1: offensive line coach who was here in twenty eighteen, got

589
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: a great relationship with Joe Mixon, already and I think

590
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: he can sense that. So while it is an evolving line,

591
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: I also think it's one that has a direction. I

592
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: think it's trending up. I think I also think, you know, really,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there are as many issues as people

594
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: think there are. Yes, I think it's okay at center.

595
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: I think the tackles have played very well. I think

596
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Speaker 1: Joey Williams that quietly had had a good camp. I think,

597
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, if it if it hadn't been from barrowin

598
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: for Jamar Chase, we probably would have talked little bit

599
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: about John Williams. I think he's looked all right. So

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00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be pretty good at the

601
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: tackles and now they're going to just be and they

602
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: have to figure out guard and that is not a obviously,

603
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: that's not a minor thing. And I think they wish

604
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: that they were fathering along with that, particularly with their

605
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: young auds. But I do think everybody feels like I

606
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: think everybody who's been watching this thing has to feel

607
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,239
Speaker 1: like they're in a better situation now than they have been,

608
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 1: just because of the way they have bought into Pollock.

609
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: Frank Pollock should be at practice in a yellow hard

610
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: hat and an orange vest with a big sign that

611
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: says under construction over in that little corner where the

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00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: offensive linemen do their drills, because that's what it is

613
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: right now, it's under construction. But I do think they

614
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: have enough good players for Frank to be able to

615
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: put a good enough line on the field. We're not

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Speaker 1: trying to pretend that you know, this is the eighty

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Speaker 1: one or eighty eight Bengals offensive line. It's not going

618
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: to be that good. But I think the personnel is

619
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Speaker 1: good enough to be solid. I agree with you that

620
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: they're set at center and both tackles, and where center

621
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Speaker 1: is concerned, I think they're too deep. I think Billy

622
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: Price has quietly had a pretty good camp. I think

623
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Speaker 1: the tackles are going to be fine. I personally like

624
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: Clinton Spain. I don't know if he's going to wind

625
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: up in the starting lineup, but I think that he's

626
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: a solid guard for what Frank Pollock wants to do.

627
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: And out of the other guys Michael Jordan, Xavier Sue of,

628
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: Philo Jackson, Carmen Deonte Smith, I think you're going to

629
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Speaker 1: find a guard that'll do a decent enough job. So

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Speaker 1: I'm cautiously optimistic that they're going to be okay. And

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Speaker 1: Frankly trust exactly. Frank's another guy. You listen to him

632
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: talking and say, wow, guys, guys, an impressive guy. I

633
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, I think the fact that they love the

634
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: fact that he played in the league, you know, and

635
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: he had a head. He had a eight year back

636
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: up with the forty nine ers, saw some things and

637
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, hung around long enough to play ninety games,

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Speaker 1: and you know, and it was we've talked about. There

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Speaker 1: are also other weapons at their disposal that go beyond

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. They can protect the offensive line. They

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Speaker 1: have a man named Joe Mixon running the ball who

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Speaker 1: looks like who He looks very He looks very good

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Speaker 1: after missing the last ten years with a foot injury.

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Speaker 1: They have a We've talked about the defense, how the

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Speaker 1: defense is so much better. That's gonna help Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna you know, he if he's not behind

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Speaker 1: by ten points all the time, you know, he won't

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Speaker 1: be dropping back as much. So, I mean, all these

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Speaker 1: things go together. It's just it's just not those guys

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Speaker 1: up front. I mean, it is, a lot of it is,

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Speaker 1: but I think they've done. They've done some major things

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Speaker 1: to get it accomplished. They brought in a new guy

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Speaker 1: to give him new direction. They signed a veteran tackle,

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Speaker 1: they drafted a guard, Hi and Jackson Carmen they get

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Speaker 1: They made their defense better, and they made the offensive

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Speaker 1: line coach the run game coordinator. So to me, they've

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Speaker 1: done a lot. They've done a lot of the things

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Speaker 1: they had to to improve things. All right, final topic,

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Speaker 1: one or two things that you're interested in seeing on

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Speaker 1: Friday in Washington. I'm interested to see how they bounced back,

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Speaker 1: you know, can they handle because I think I think

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Speaker 1: we can all say it was Saturday night damp was successful.

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Speaker 1: You know, the defense was terrific twenty you know, and

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Speaker 1: I know it's a preseason game and everybody and it's

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Speaker 1: hard to get excited. It's hard to get excited about

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Speaker 1: a preseason game. You know. You you watch a backup

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Speaker 1: tight end catch an eighteen yards seamball on backup defensive

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Speaker 1: backs and suddenly you know, oh my god, we can't. Well,

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Speaker 1: none of those people are gonna be playing in crunch time,

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Speaker 1: so let's take it easy. So but yes, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be interesting to see how this team handles success. How

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Speaker 1: do they come back? It's a it was a short week.

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Speaker 1: They went back on the road. Be interested, and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna play a little bit more the starters. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they're gonna play much more than they did a talleup,

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Speaker 1: but I think they're gonna play more. They won't play

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Speaker 1: more than a quarter, but I and what will be there?

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Speaker 1: My So I'm interested to see if they can put

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Speaker 1: together the same kind of intensity and the same kind

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Speaker 1: of and the same kind of efficiency that they had

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Speaker 1: in Tampa and then and then beyond that, I'd like

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Speaker 1: to see, you know, the offense, you know, not not

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Speaker 1: turn it over obviously, and you know, I want to

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Speaker 1: see Jane Davis get some hands and see if he

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Speaker 1: can keep it up, See if Darius Hodge can keep

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Speaker 1: it up, to see if really that's that's you know,

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Speaker 1: can they can they keep it going? Can they can

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Speaker 1: they handle success? Get on the plane and do it again?

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Speaker 1: All right? I got a couple of things. Number One,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals are returning to the scene of the crime

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Speaker 1: where Joe Burrow got hurt. So for as long as

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Speaker 1: Washington's front four is in the game, can they handle

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Speaker 1: that front four? So we're talking about four first round

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Speaker 1: draft picks. The Washington football team drafted defensive lineman in

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Speaker 1: the first round in twenty seventeen to eighteen, two thousand, nineteen,

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Speaker 1: two twenty. You talk about building a great front four, obviously,

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Speaker 1: that's a good way of going about doing it. So

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Speaker 1: we're talking Jonathan Allen who made the hit on Joe

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Speaker 1: burrow Ton Payne. Both of those guys are Alabama guys,

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Speaker 1: Montez Sweat, and then culminating with the second pick in

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Speaker 1: last year's draft, Chase Young. Washington made the playoffs last

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Speaker 1: year despite going through a bunch of quarterbacks because they

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Speaker 1: had an excellent defense and played and allows you to

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Speaker 1: vision it only took seven wins to get in. But

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Speaker 1: fourth and points allowed, second in passing yards allowed, sixth

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Speaker 1: and sacks. While those guys are in the game, can

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Speaker 1: the Bengals handle it? So that's one big thing I'll

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Speaker 1: be looking to see on Friday. And then secondly is

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Speaker 1: the Bengals pass rush legit. Four sacks, thirteen quarterback hits

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Speaker 1: in the Tampa Bay game. I know you know a

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Speaker 1: few of those came after the starters for both teams

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Speaker 1: were out, but after having seventeen sacks as a team

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Speaker 1: last year and being last in the NFL. Just think

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Speaker 1: of how much better this team will be if this

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Speaker 1: pass rush, which looked really good in Tampa Bay, is legit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, all great points. I mean, it'll be interesting

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Speaker 1: to see how how Michael Jordan responds down there. He

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Speaker 1: was obviously the h that's that's the guy that Alan

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Speaker 1: was working against. And I know Paul Danner Junior wrote

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Speaker 1: a good story back in the spring from The Athletic

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Speaker 1: about how Jordan has a you know, attacked act and

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Speaker 1: he reshaped his body, seems to be in a good, good,

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Speaker 1: good good spirits mentally, has had a lot of support

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Speaker 1: from Barrow himself. So and I got a lot of

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of hopes for Mike, and I

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Speaker 1: know he's I'm much. I don't know how the lineup

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Speaker 1: is going to unfold in uh, in Washington, but I

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Speaker 1: think Frank, I think Frank has high hopes for him,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's an interesting one to watch. Will

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Speaker 1: be interesting to see how Mike responds being back there. Man.

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Speaker 1: Something about the date November twenty second, it's uh, that

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Speaker 1: is uh. But I think also too, it's also you know,

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Speaker 1: it just shows you Burrows resilience and just what they've

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Speaker 1: got here in a franchise. Guy he's back and he's

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Speaker 1: not playing. He's not playing Friday night, but he could.

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Speaker 1: And that's, you know what a statement about him. A

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Speaker 1: perfect way to end it. Butch, I appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: This was fun. Let's do it again sometime soon, Hordy.

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Speaker 1: As always and as I always say, have a good call.

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Speaker 1: After beating Tampa Bay nineteen fourteen, the Bengals face another

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Speaker 1: playoff team from last year, Washington, on Friday night at eight.

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Speaker 1: When the Bengals faced Washington and the regular season last year,

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Speaker 1: the football team was two and seven at the time.

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Speaker 1: Washington finished seven and nine, which was good enough to

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Speaker 1: win the NFC East. That's going to do it. For

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