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Speaker 1: big numbers, huge numbers, Max Burns, and you write about this,

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Speaker 1: Coming up on sound now, we're talking to Congressman Bruce Westerman,

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Speaker 1: it's at climate change. I'm Kevin Cereli. This is Bloomberg One.

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Speaker 1: district and Congressman. First of all, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 1: You just said something that I never thought I'd ever

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Speaker 1: about planning more trees? You're you, You're saying climate change

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Speaker 1: hearing you? No, You're You're listening pretty pretty astutely there.

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Speaker 1: But I am an engineer undergraduate. I'm a Forrester and

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Speaker 1: logic and reason and foresters look at long term horizons.

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Speaker 1: But if we want to solve the problem of too

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Speaker 1: go back thousands of years. And we know that our

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Speaker 1: carbon levels are high. So how do we solve that

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Speaker 1: problem in the most pragmatic, proactive approach to that lies

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Speaker 1: in nature with trees. Uh. It's the by far, the

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Speaker 1: it's the It's not the solution, but it's a great

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Speaker 1: and Bruce Westman's on the line. He's a Republican who

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Speaker 1: I got two more questions for you. You've been so

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Speaker 1: The United Nations has a as a similar UH policy

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Speaker 1: So absolutely, And you know President Trump at Davos, he

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Speaker 1: and and release more carbon into the atmosphere. But when

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Speaker 1: land to you know, when we reforced that, we've got

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Speaker 1: this I mean, I don't mean to be I'll ask

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Speaker 1: problems with any of your Republican colleagues when you tell

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Speaker 1: them about your plan? Now, this is just it's it's

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Speaker 1: that you know, trees are not only the lungs of

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Speaker 1: the recreation opportunities. There's a tremendous amount of other bus

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Speaker 1: that go along with trees other than clean air. But

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Speaker 1: air cleaner. Congressman Bruce Wesselman, I hear you a loud

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Speaker 1: we there are a lot of environmentalists like yourself who

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your time. I appreciate you coming on to

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Speaker 1: talk about this. It's it's counter narrative which is what

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Speaker 1: I really value on this show is folks who come

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Speaker 1: walk on from walk on, football player Razorback, appreciate you

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Speaker 1: coming on, Bruce Westerm and everybody, A Republican from Arkansas,

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Speaker 1: thank you for that. A trillion trees. Hey, We'll leave

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Speaker 1: it there. Go now listen. On this show, we root

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Speaker 1: But I'll let you go. Coming up on the program,

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Speaker 1: Panel reacts so much more policy and politics. Max Burns

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Speaker 1: for my favorite part of the program, Quick take, What's

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Speaker 1: on your Radar? It's where our panelists are esteemed panelists,

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Speaker 1: that's on their radar. Max Burns, you've been waiting patiently

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Speaker 1: for us up in New York City at Bloomberg World headquarters,

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Speaker 1: where you are an esteemed democratic strategist and a columnist

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Speaker 1: for The Daily Beast as well as The Independent. What

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Speaker 1: is your quick take that's on your radar? I am

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Speaker 1: waiting to see if a single Senate Republican will stand

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Speaker 1: up and actually call Attorney General bar to testify about

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Speaker 1: also bars increased control of all of the legal matters

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Speaker 1: we've heard almost nothing from from the Senate or from

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Speaker 1: because we were in New Hampshire World, Chuck Schumer, the

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice Inspector General and in the letter

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Speaker 1: why roger Stone sentencing recommendations by career prosecutors were countermanded.

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Speaker 1: Axios Zachary Bassus reporting the Justice Departments admitted a new

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Speaker 1: only got about half of that. Scott Tanner, what are

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Speaker 1: you hearing? I mean, Max is saying, all right, Republicans

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Speaker 1: should speak out against this. What are Republicans saying? They're

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Speaker 1: ignoring it. It's it's just another it's another thing. You know.

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Speaker 1: So that's what's Max Burns his sacri sank quick take

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Speaker 1: of saying you got to innovate out of it. Twenty

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Speaker 1: years ago, we did not have giga factories making batteries.

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Speaker 1: We did not have billions of dollars spent by oil

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Speaker 1: companies like Excellent Alternative Fuels. I mean they're running commercials.

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Speaker 1: Excellent is running commercials about how much money it's spending

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Speaker 1: on things not related to oil, Right, Max, Yeah, Max?

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Speaker 1: What did you make a Bruce Westerman saying he wants

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Speaker 1: to plant a trillion trees? I'm all for it. I'm

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Speaker 1: stunned to see gonna be right there rolling up your

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Speaker 1: think climate change and and things like this are going

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Speaker 1: to be a place where we can find some bipartisanship

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Speaker 1: as things like as as was mentioned, the battery industry

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Speaker 1: its own. I mean, that's a great place to support

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Speaker 1: small business. Well, we talked about the environment, We of

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Speaker 1: course talked about the New Hampshire primary, and we talked

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Speaker 1: about everything really under the sun with the Department of Justice. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: and uh, what's on my radar has been the quick

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Speaker 1: take that has been on my radar for at least

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Speaker 1: like two weeks now, and that's the coronavirus and the

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Speaker 1: US virus experts are now lamenting over China's stonewalling after

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Speaker 1: the United States has offered to help. And I'm reading

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Speaker 1: all stars on the White House team here at Bloomberg News.

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Speaker 1: Top US health experts seeking to join an international group

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Speaker 1: offered for weeks to send frontline disease experts to China

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Speaker 1: to study the outbreak, which originated in the city of

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Speaker 1: in China and sorry, originated in China, and consult with

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Speaker 1: colleagues there on how to stop it. We haven't been

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Speaker 1: a if that isn't a major twist in this ongoing

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Speaker 1: saga that here you have the best health officials in

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Speaker 1: the world, offering Americans offering to help China, and China

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Speaker 1: saying get out. Not even saying get out, they're saying,

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Speaker 1: don't even come. Do not disturb, is what they're saying. Max.

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Speaker 1: That's gotta infuriate you. This is all going very well,

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Speaker 1: but you know, President Trump says this will all be

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Speaker 1: should be worried. Well, I I, I mean, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: leave it there. But I don't think you can blame

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Speaker 1: Trump for General Secretary she not allowing experts into the country.

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Speaker 1: But you know, coming up or later on in the week,

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Speaker 1: much more fall out from the Department of Justice. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to Max. Thank you to Scott. I'm Kevin Cirelli,

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Speaker 1: chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio,

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Speaker 1: and you're listening to Bloomberg. I want to thank Matt

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Speaker 1: Shirley for helping us out today. He was here in

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Speaker 1: gotta get more chowder. I missed the Childer. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: listening to everybody. See tomorrow