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Speaker 2: on this Tuesday night, April twenty second, The Overall Lord

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Speaker 2: and Outdoors. Yes, friends, I saw the report.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the report? Follow up question?

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Speaker 2: I saw the report about potentially college football television ratings

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Speaker 2: playing a part in how the college football playoff is seeded.

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Speaker 1: Sounds controversial, doesn't it. Perhaps it is. I will discuss.

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Speaker 2: We haven't spoken you and I since that story dropped,

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Speaker 2: on the show tonight, cam Ward is that player. For

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Speaker 1: In that world, here's the problem with that, and Heather

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Speaker 2: So, Heather Dennis rode here, among many other things you

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Speaker 1: Well, absolutely that would be the case.

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Speaker 2: That also sucks because out of conference games are wonderful

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Speaker 1: In the future. It's a great spectacle.

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Speaker 1: But what's the consequence on the game. It's ten amount

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Speaker 2: If rankings don't matter anymore, because all that matters is

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Speaker 2: It makes sure you better compete your tailoff in you're

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Speaker 2: that sound convoluted, Of course it does, but it's all

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Speaker 1: So Heather Dinners made a good point there.

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Speaker 2: There's a way to make those out of conference games

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Speaker 2: And then there was another point she made, So the

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Speaker 2: other tweaks and overhauls that the commissioners have seen fit

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Speaker 2: to discuss, and one of them is a uniform strength

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Speaker 2: down this road. It's long overdue. Strength of schedule as

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Speaker 1: It's not at all.

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Speaker 2: This is the on ramp for a Vegas type mentality

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you what has no business in the

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Speaker 2: Anyone caring about who would be favored over who on

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Speaker 2: Your record against the spread is totally irrelevant. It has

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Speaker 2: no business being baked into the selection process. But there

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Speaker 2: and that is a uniform, very easy to understand strength

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Speaker 2: me tell you where that comes into play. In college football,

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Speaker 2: So I look at seasons like Oklahoma is about to have,

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Speaker 1: That's not a certainty.

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Speaker 2: You're almost solely at the mercy of your schedule in

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Speaker 2: Instead of doing that, instead of going just off wins

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Speaker 1: And you know what I love.

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Speaker 2: I love if you had the people whose very livelihoods

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Speaker 1: I'd love for that to be where their opinion comes

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Speaker 2: They're not selecting any t they're not telling you who'd

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Speaker 2: there are no There is no group more qualified to

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Speaker 1: That's my humble suggestion.

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Speaker 2: So no TV ratings, probably not selecting the playoff teams

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Speaker 2: is get you a little something in return. So right now,

442
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 2: you go spend fifty dollars or more on Jordan Gear

443
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: over there, And if you're buying Jordan Gear, you're probably

444
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,199
Speaker 2: spending fifty or more anyway. This counts for online or

445
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: in store. You get me that seat, so you show

446
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 2: me the proof. Use the hashtag Academy ex Jordan. You

447
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 2: need to tag me and Academy and I'm sending out

448
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 2: a ton of gift cards. We got a ton of them,

449
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 2: So there are your rules. Academy ex jordan is the hashtag.

450
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: You need to tag both of us, Josh paate CFB

451
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: an Academy, and I look forward to I even have

452
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 2: a gift where I just toss out the Academy gift cards.

453
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: That's the energy that we like to have around here.

454
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: So good for Academy, good good for them, and good

455
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Speaker 2: for us, and good for you preemptively hoopstever amongst you wins.

456
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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to another pressing matter that's

457
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 2: been on our plate as of late. I think every

458
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 2: Nico segment we've done, I have popped the top on

459
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Speaker 2: a zva before we've done it, and it's been vanilla Cola,

460
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: because a low key vanilla Cola is on a little

461
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 2: bit of a run here.

462
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Speaker 1: On the show.

463
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Speaker 2: So big solid shug of vanilla Cola zevia really good,

464
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 2: not past cream soda yet, but a.

465
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Speaker 1: Solid number two right now, I wanted to.

466
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Speaker 2: Put a bow on the Nico Iamliava, Ucla, Tennessee. We

467
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: got so many different angles here, so I wanted to

468
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: put a bow on all this. But I want to

469
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Speaker 2: be honest. Everyone be honest with me. Ninety eight percent

470
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: of you just want what's best for college football. I've

471
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: got a lot of Tennessee fans who are watching and

472
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: they're saying, no, I want what's best for Tennessee.

473
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Speaker 1: Well, of course everyone wants.

474
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Speaker 2: What's best for their team, but really what's best for

475
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Speaker 2: college football is what's best for Tennessee and Oklahoma and

476
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Speaker 2: Washington State and everyone else.

477
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Speaker 1: So we want a world where college football is thriving. Right,

478
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Speaker 1: That's what I want.

479
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Speaker 2: That's what my general correspondence with you guys leads me

480
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: to believe that you want, which brings me to the

481
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 2: conclusion of this whole thing. And I wrote, I wrote

482
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 2: two words down on the piece of paper that I

483
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: keep finding myself saying. It's a weird couple of words

484
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: because I'm not necessarily sure this is the energy I

485
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: thought we were headed towards. But after all the dust

486
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 2: is settled on this, I can't help but say thank you.

487
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 2: And it's been a tire fire of a story. So

488
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: the last words you would think would come out of

489
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Speaker 2: anyone's mouth who loves this sport or thank you, But

490
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: yet I'm thankful. I'm thankful because I do believe in

491
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: the concept of shocking the system into action, and if

492
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Speaker 2: anything was ever going to shock the college football system

493
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 2: into action, if anything was going to pull the last

494
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: remaining holdouts into the fray and convince them, we got

495
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Speaker 2: a big, possibly terminal issue with parts of this game.

496
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Speaker 1: This was it. This was as I said the other day,

497
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Speaker 1: this is the peeling the eyelids open, stapling them to

498
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Speaker 1: the forehead, grabbing someone by both sides of the head,

499
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Speaker 1: and forcing them to watch and acknowledge this is a disaster.

500
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Speaker 2: It's not getting any better. And you know what they did,

501
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: And you know what, there's a lot of action behind

502
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Speaker 2: the scenes that wasn't necessarily in motion ten or twelve

503
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: days ago because of this. So you've got now I

504
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: imagine being one of the last remaining people who's just

505
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: sitting on the sideline technically with the power to do stuff,

506
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 2: but saying, oh, it'll just work itself out, and then

507
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: Nico tries to renegotiate or.

508
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Speaker 1: Let me be very very clear.

509
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Speaker 2: Nico's people try to renegotiate a deal in December, and

510
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: then they try again in spring, and then he's a

511
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: holdout at the end of spring practice, and then Hypel

512
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: and Tennessee cut ties with him, and then he winds

513
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Speaker 2: up at UCLA only for the kid who just transferred

514
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Speaker 2: to UCLA from app State to go back in the

515
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Speaker 2: portal and now land at Tennessee in what's labeled as

516
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Speaker 2: a trade, but it's really not, because that's not how

517
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Speaker 2: trade mechanisms work. And all the while, Nico's brother just

518
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: enrolled at Arkansas and he hits the portal before he's

519
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: ever played a down there, and now he's at UCLA

520
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: and Arkansas saying, wait a second.

521
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Speaker 1: We want buyout money. You need to pay us because

522
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Speaker 1: you broke your contract.

523
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Speaker 2: None of that's college football. None of that is how

524
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Speaker 2: college football or college athletics are.

525
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: Supposed to work. Everybody knows that.

526
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Speaker 2: It's just that some people wanted to bury their head

527
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Speaker 2: in the sand for a long time and say.

528
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Speaker 1: It's just a phase. Oh, don't worry, the market will

529
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Speaker 1: correct itself. I'm sure.

530
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Speaker 2: It's like it's like shaking up this zva here. Yeah,

531
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: once you pop the top on, it's gonna spew all

532
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Speaker 2: over the place. But after you clean the mess up,

533
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: it'll be okay and you can drink it. Nothing's wrong, Nope, nope, nope, nope.

534
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: That's that's not what's happening here. That's not what's happening

535
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: at all. This isn't This isn't all due respect to Zvia,

536
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: this isn't a Canazevia. This is a volcano. And once

537
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: it erupts, the town's destroyed.

538
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: So yes, technically it'll subside, but I'm not sure you'll

539
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: like what's left once it does. So there's the football angle,

540
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: which we've got plenty of time to talk about, But

541
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Speaker 1: then there's the real world college football angle. So the

542
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: real world college football angle to me is not do

543
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Speaker 1: we have a problem.

544
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: Of course we do, We've had one for a while.

545
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: The question is not do most people realize it? Most

546
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Speaker 2: people did?

547
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Speaker 1: I think? I think everyone realizes it now. The question

548
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: is not are there unqualified.

549
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: Figures posing as agents in this sport, steering guys down

550
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: all form of wrong direction? Of course, there are probably

551
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: a lot more awareness about that now than there was

552
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: this time last month, But that's okay. Is college football

553
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: in an untenable situation when there really are no rules,

554
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: no one knows what the landscape consists of because there

555
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: is no consistency in the landscape. Of course, that's a problem,

556
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: but you know what, that's on everyone's radar now.

557
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: So then the follow up question.

558
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Speaker 2: I was doing radio today, A solid friend of the program,

559
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: Buck Rising, asked me, who's gonna save college football? It's

560
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: one thing to acknowledge there are problems. Who's gonna save

561
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: college football? And you know, as much as people talk

562
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: about the NCAA, it ain't them.

563
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: It hadn't been there for a long time.

564
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: As much as people talk about college Football League commissioners,

565
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: they do play a much bigger role. University presidents play

566
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 2: a huge role in this.

567
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Speaker 1: But you know who else has a ton of skin

568
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: in the game.

569
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Speaker 2: I'd say the people who were paying billions of dollars

570
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Speaker 2: to broadcast the games. I'd say it's probably in their

571
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: best interest to do whatever it takes to save the sport.

572
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: To fix the sport as well.

573
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you imagine you run ESPN, or you run Fox,

574
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: or you run CBS, or you run any other network

575
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: or entity that may in the future invest heavily in

576
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 2: college football. Did you really pay those billions of dollars

577
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 2: to just watch the value of the asset go up

578
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: and smoke?

579
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: I don't really think you did. So how do you

580
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: fix it?

581
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: Well, you have an all hands on deck mentality, and

582
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: if it means lobby in Congress, you're experts at it.

583
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: These people aren't college football athletic directors, all due respect,

584
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: have no clue about that.

585
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: They're brand new to that game. You're not. You're not.

586
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: You've been in that game for a long time.

587
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: If it comes to greasing the right wheels, you've been

588
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: doing that for a long time, Pulling the right levers,

589
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: leverage the right people. You've been doing that for a

590
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: long time, and you better do it now. I speak

591
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: this way because I know they already are, but you

592
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: better do it now, because I don't think you've spent

593
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: those billions on those assets to have them deteriorate in

594
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: value as soon as the check cleared. And you got

595
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: to look around and realize something right now. If you're

596
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: a major network, I know these are the last people

597
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: you want the fate of the sports hands put in.

598
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: But if you're a major network, you got to understand

599
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: if you're in business with the NFL. The NFL is

600
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: not letting us happen. But the NFL has leadership. College

601
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: football doesn't really have that. It's not that college football

602
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: doesn't have people capable of leading, it's that the structure

603
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: of college football is such that the platform is too

604
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: unsteady for any one person or one small group of

605
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: people to stand on it without it falling because it

606
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: doesn't bear the brunt of legal weight right now, whereas

607
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: the NFL would. So, I mean, out of all the

608
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: other questions, hey, where do the networks fit in on this?

609
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: They're always painted as the devil? Well where did the

610
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: networks fit in?

611
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: For once?

612
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: In more of a savior's mentality of understanding, Yeah, we

613
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: got a role to play here, and unlike some other

614
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: folks who could take it or leave it, you got

615
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: a vested interest in it. To the tune of many, many,

616
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: many zeros, you got a vested interest in it. Now,

617
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: as for the football part of all this, because believe

618
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: it or not, that is what this revolves around. I

619
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: need to talk to my Tennessee folks. I think UCLA

620
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: is going to be bad with or without Nico this year.

621
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Speaker 2: They're over under wind total I think went up to

622
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: five and a half with Nico on board.

623
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Speaker 1: So there's that. But at Tennessee.

624
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Speaker 2: I had a friend earlier today, Yeah, it was earlier today,

625
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: Tennessee fan, Tennessee grad. He hit me and he's talking about,

626
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: you know, the worst case scenario. They've added Agalaar from

627
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: Ucla by way of app State. So Joey Aguilar, we

628
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: had talked to him enough.

629
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: He was at app State.

630
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: He transferred to Ucla like five minutes ago, and then

631
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: Nico lands out there and he says, well, I'm not

632
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: staying here, So now he's at Tennessee. So Tennessee's qbing

633
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: went to Ucla. UCLA's quarterback went to Tennessee. Much ado

634
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: about nothing right, And so my buddy hits me and

635
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: he says, man, what if the worst were to happen

636
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: this year? What if they go eight and four? And

637
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: I said, excuse me, the worst.

638
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: Being eight and four.

639
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: They may have gone eight and four with Nico the worst.

640
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: You don't know much about Tennessee football if you think

641
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: the worst is eight and four. This is a very

642
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: very new concept in the modern age. Tennessee having the

643
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: audacity to fancy itself a perennial playoff contender like you can.

644
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: You can criticize Josh Hipel or credit Josh Hipel. You

645
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: need to understand he pulled you out of the wilderness,

646
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: is what you need to understand. Tennessee football was an

647
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: afterthought for a decade and a half because they couldn't

648
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: get out of their own way, and Josh Heipel came

649
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: in there. They were in the playoff last year. You

650
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: can remember them getting their skull crushed in by the

651
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: eventual national champ But you know what, they were there.

652
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: Where was Alabama last year? Tennessee was there. So that's

653
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: a new concept. So to sit there and I had

654
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: this conversation with my buddy, so I'm just reiterating what

655
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: I said. Eight and four is not the worst case scenario.

656
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: I think they're win totals eight and a half right now.

657
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: So no, the worst case is like a Florida State implosion. Okay,

658
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: probably not that bad. But the worst case is you

659
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,959
Speaker 2: miss a bowl game. That's the worst case because with

660
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: Nico or without Nico, you still had over one hundred

661
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: and sixty starts to replace on your offensive line. With

662
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: or without Nico, you had questions of wide receiver questions

663
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: are running back, you're retooling your defense. You need to understand, man,

664
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: And I'm talking to my buddy. But anyone who thinks

665
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: this way, the ice is so much thinner in this

666
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: sport than you ever think it is. You don't get

667
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: to carry over success, like because you made the playoff

668
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: last year, it doesn't raise the floor to where all right,

669
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: now on the low end, we're an eight win team. No,

670
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: on the low end, you're still a four win team.

671
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: You're not immune to disaster just because you made the

672
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: playoff last year. So I believe in Josh Hypel, but

673
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: I believe Josh Hipel had a tall order on his

674
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: hands even if Nico stayed this year.

675
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: In a funny way.

676
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: I got a theory about Hypel that not that this

677
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: was a grand design or by any stretch of the imagination,

678
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: but for all we know, he had a rough season incoming.

679
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: No matter what, that will now be able to be

680
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: excused away.

681
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: Because of all this.

682
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: It's like if you had a bad season during the

683
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: COVID year, Everyone's willing to look at it and say, yeah,

684
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: that was a COVID year. Though, I mean, if Tennessee

685
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: goes seven and five. This year, I think of a

686
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: lot of people would be willing to look at it,

687
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: not like it, but say yeah, but that was when

688
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: all the Nico stuff happened, Remember that, like by twenty thirty.

689
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: If they pull the nose right back up after this year,

690
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: that's the way people would be willing to look at

691
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: that season.

692
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that they would be willing to do

693
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: that if Niko was there, but eight four worst case?

694
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: Who man, how quickly people forget they're watching us in

695
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: Winston Salem, North Carolina, Crystal River, Florida, and Villa Park

696
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: or perhaps Via Park, Illinois. You never know when those

697
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: ls are silent or soft. You never know. Portal Intel,

698
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: the transfer portal is still churning. This thing's still open.

699
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 2: I have I've noticed some teams I think made solid

700
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: moves here. First thing I want to talk to you

701
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: about is Texas. Texas is the gold standard in talent

702
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: acquisition in this sport.

703
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: Everybody in the nile space will tell you.

704
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: I'd try to say nil, and also nil in the

705
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: nil space, everyone will tell you, man, it's Texas and

706
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: everyone else. And so Texas needed help along the defensive line,

707
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: and they've added five of them via the portal. Mrod

708
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: Watson is the latest six three, three thirteen out of Syracuse.

709
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: He was the number two overall player available, obviously number

710
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: one defensive tackle available. It's just it was an area

711
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: of massive need. This two years in a row, specifically

712
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 2: on the D line, where Texas has lost big time

713
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: impact players. And I don't care how well you recruit,

714
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: it's tough to just sustain at the level they've been

715
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: playing at. When you have two of those cycles in

716
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: a row, that sort of gut you at the same spot.

717
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: So I think Texas has made.

718
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: Really good moves to solidify themselves as yet again a

719
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: prime playoff contender, prime national title contender. David Stone up

720
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: the road in Norman is staying at Oklahoma. Now this

721
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: does not shock me because I didn't get the sense

722
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: he wanted to leave Oklahoma, but he was a twenty

723
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 2: twenty four to five star defensive lineman.

724
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: He was in Oklahoma last year. Then he goes in

725
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: the portal.

726
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: It seems like it was probably more a situation where

727
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: he was wanting to restructure his deal. Never wanted to

728
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: leave by all accounts, and he's not gonna leave so good.

729
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: I hate that that kind of stuff even happens in

730
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: the public, Like, that's the kind of stuff you want

731
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: to play out behind the scenes. You don't ever want

732
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 2: it to get to the point where he goes in

733
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 2: the portal, so you know, it's an net turn off.

734
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: Sometimes no one's more attracted to a guy because he

735
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: briefly went in the portal and came back out. Not

736
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: a terrible thing, just you know, grand scheme of things good.

737
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: A guy was at a program last year and he's

738
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: still there this year. They got it worked out. I

739
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: think Oklahoma bears close watching, though Oklahoma's made some really

740
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: really good moves here. Quarterback was a major concern for them,

741
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: and they went and got my Tear out of Washington

742
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: State with his offensive coordinator for good measure check.

743
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: And then they I mean, obviously Jordan Ott.

744
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about this since it happened, but they

745
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: got maybe the best tailback in the country that was

746
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: available from cal So Jade my Bath. I always called

747
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: him Jordan last year too. Our apologies, mister Ott, but

748
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: they did that. They completely overhauled their wide receiver room.

749
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: Dion Burks, you remember this time last year we were

750
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: talking about Deon Burks out of Purdue, and he got

751
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: hurt last year and so he wasn't the impact player

752
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: we thought he'd be. But he's still has that potential

753
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: and so he's there.

754
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: They added a.

755
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: Starting ot like we talked about, added two other defensive starters.

756
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: This is a program that is stacked top ten recruiting

757
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: classes and portal classes on top of each other. They've

758
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: got an incredibly difficult schedule this year, but they could

759
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: also be a playoff team this year.

760
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: There.

761
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: I think Oklahoma is a playoff caliber team that will

762
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: not be viewed as one because people will look at

763
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: their schedule and assume they can't navigate that. Maybe they're right,

764
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean they're any less.

765
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: Equality of team.

766
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: Potentially, no one is anything in April. We understand that,

767
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: but I think Oklahoma bear is close watching. I think

768
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: Georgia has done a really good job. George is not

769
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: always the biggest portal player, but they added some really

770
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: good quality here. Elo Medozi was a guy out of

771
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 2: Army that we talked about last show.

772
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: I strongly suspected Georgia would go after him. They did.

773
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: He's sixty three to two hundred and forty five pound edge.

774
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: They are very very much a team that was in

775
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 2: need at that position. But they also got Josh Cray,

776
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: a tailback out of Illinois. He's the kind of body

777
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: they needed. He's two hundred and forty pounds. You probably

778
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: remember the Citrus Bowl game they heading at South Carolina.

779
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: That's where Beamer and Shane Beemer almost went at it.

780
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: But he had thirteen carries, one hundred and fourteen yards,

781
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: two touchdowns in that game. So really good compliment to

782
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: the other guys they have in that room already. But

783
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: George has done a good job, and so Eloman does.

784
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: He's really really, I think a guy that immediately everyone

785
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 2: will love there. So the other day we were talking

786
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: about Trevor Pinya out of Syracuse, and fran Brown had

787
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: a lot to say about him. He's the wide receiver

788
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: from up there. He was an All acc guy last year.

789
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: He wanted more than Syracuse was willing to spend. So

790
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: he goes in the portal. No shortage of suitors. Obviously,

791
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: it's a position of need for a lot of teams.

792
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: There is a short supply of proven production available at

793
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: that position. And so he visited Penn State and I

794
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: was interested to see how that would work out, and

795
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: he left there without committing or signing with them. Doesn't

796
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: mean it can't happen. But he's also going to visit Miami,

797
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: he's going to visit USC he's going to visit UCLA.

798
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: At least two of those.

799
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: We know are willing to spend big right now, And

800
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: so I wonder is Penn State willing to do that

801
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: and do they see fit to do it?

802
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: Do they view him as a fit.

803
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: If the answers are no there, they will not do it.

804
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: So Trevor Pinon though, that's that's a guy, nearly a

805
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: thousand yard receiving guy last year, going to be an

806
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: impact player, no doubt wherever he goes. And we've seen

807
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 2: in the past, Yes, there have been cautionary portal tales,

808
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: but there have also been tales where you get a

809
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: star receiver out of the portal and he's the difference

810
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: in two or three games for you. So I know

811
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: you want to take that principal stance. And there's a

812
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: lot of pride about how great a program is.

813
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: Do we really want to go spend for a receiver? Well,

814
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: you may be spending for wins. How much are wins worth?

815
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

816
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: That's why I'm not the one making the call. The

817
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: Truth Teller series is continuing tonight. This has been very fun,

818
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: you know, because it's the truth, according to our opinion,

819
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: which is the easiest kind of truth to tell.

820
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: Hold on, drink of water, please.

821
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: I've got I've gotten some negative feedback on every Truth

822
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: Teller segment we've done so far because of that, because

823
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: it's opinion and we are presenting it as truth.

824
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: So what's the truth about Steve sarkisian?

825
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: I'm of the opinion Sark's story is one of the

826
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: most important in college football, one of the most important

827
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: that's happened in sports for a while. If you think

828
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: sports is an avenue or a reflection of life, which

829
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: I do, or a reflection of society I do, sarks

830
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: story is really important. I don't care if you're an

831
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: Oklahoma fan or whatever. Sarks story is important because it's

832
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: one of those classic stories or classic lessons.

833
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: That what was and doesn't always have to be forever.

834
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: What is or was doesn't always have to be just

835
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: meaning your past doesn't always have to define your future.

836
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: Your current situation, not that Sarks is bad, but your

837
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: current situation doesn't always have to define your future. Sarks entering,

838
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: I think his twelfth year as a head coach, and

839
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: it feels like the most important chapters of his career

840
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: are still to come. I feel that way. I don't

841
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: know if you guys feel that way, but who knows.

842
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: He may have his best and most important seasons, most

843
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: important chapters of his head coaching career to come.

844
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: But here's why it's so important. So Number one, his.

845
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: Story it extends well beyond football, obviously, but his story

846
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: is one of someone who has so much brilliance about

847
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: the way he sees this game and coaches this game,

848
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: and he's also got so many public flaws as a person,

849
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: and you wrap that all into one and you've got

850
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: a very very bumpy career at times. I mean, the

851
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: way it ended at USC was bad. It was ugly

852
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: to the point where you're looking at it and you're saying, well,

853
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: forget football, like is he gonna be okay?

854
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: Period? And then he goes to Alabama and.

855
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: Sort of just hits reset on everything, has a brief

856
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: snint with the Falcons, and like most stints with the Falcons,

857
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: it doesn't work out well for anyone, and he goes

858
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: back to Alabama and ends up ends up being.

859
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: Called almost like out of the bullpen.

860
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 2: After Kiffin gets fired the week of the title game

861
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: and he's the coordinator in the title game, and then

862
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: they lose that one, and then later on he calls

863
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: one of the best seasons I've ever seen for that

864
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty run, and then he gets a shot. He

865
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 2: gets another shot at Texas, which is wild. Last year

866
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: when we were with him, I talked about this. He

867
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: gave a really really good response to this. By the way,

868
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: I said, you realize you were at Washington and then

869
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: you went to USC and you got fired, and.

870
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: Then you start to work your way back up.

871
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: But anyone whose career took that noseedive, even if they

872
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: were going to get another shot at being a.

873
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: Head coach, they would have had to work their way up.

874
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: You go like an FCS or a G five, then

875
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: a lower level P four and then maybe you get

876
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: a shot at Texas.

877
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: But his because of how brilliant he is when he's

878
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: at his best, he gets a shot at Texas, and

879
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: look how it's working out. That's why I say twelve

880
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: year as a head coach, and he's been around football

881
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 2: obviously a lot longer than that, could have his most

882
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: important chapter still to come. But you know what, given

883
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: the nature of what he struggled with in the past,

884
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 2: that's a forever issue.

885
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: In your life.

886
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: Anyone who knows anything about that stuff will tell you

887
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: it's never gone.

888
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: It's always with you.

889
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 2: No matter how good a run you're on, it's always there.

890
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: And so it's impossible to know. I know what I

891
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: root for with Steve Sarkisian story because I think it's

892
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: a really important.

893
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: Story to tell.

894
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: But the other part about that is, not only did

895
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: he go to Texas, unlike the previous few coaches that

896
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: went there, it's starting to.

897
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: Really, really, really work.

898
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: So Texas is a machine right now. That's the truth

899
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: about Texas. Texas is the gold standard for talent acquisition

900
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: in the modern era of college football.

901
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: They recruit very well.

902
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: There is no one who has mastered the nil game

903
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: on a multi layer basis better than Texas. You look

904
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: at the nil thing and you think, well, if you

905
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: just got a bunch of money, well, there.

906
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: Are a few programs out there with a bunch of money.

907
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it's surgical at Texas.

908
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: Like the psychology of this stuff, although it may seem

909
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: like paint by numbers sometimes and sometimes it is.

910
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes it does come down to who can pay the most.

911
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: The layering and the nuance that Texas has made a

912
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: fine art of figuring out about how to structure this

913
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: stuff and how to present it, and how to let

914
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: you win and let you at ch eve on so

915
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: many different levels, just above and beyond the pure monetary.

916
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: They're the standard. They're the gold standard.

917
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: That's not by accident. That's because he's hired the right people.

918
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: He's got the right people in the building. They just

919
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: had another round of hires where he's hiring people, and

920
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, I cannot believe that Texas continues to pull

921
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 2: this off because he's hiring people out there that truth,

922
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: Betold should probably be running athletic departments or running football programs,

923
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: not as a head coach, but player personnel.

924
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: Types GM types they have.

925
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: There's no way to know this because you can't necessarily

926
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: project at this level like this, but you've probably got

927
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: several future general manager types just walking the halls there

928
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: in Austin. Not to mention who's on the coaching staff,

929
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: So that's a machine, does not guarantee they'll ever win

930
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: a national title. They could win four of them.

931
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. But in many many ways, given the

932
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: nature of the way the sport looks today, that guy

933
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: has created the gold standard. There.

934
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: Did they lose to Georgia twice last year? They sure did,

935
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: Sure it did. Got spanked at home and then let

936
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: a backup quarterback come in and beat him in Atlanta.

937
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: So it's not a perfect coach, it's not a perfect program,

938
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: but it's very much a machine like program that I

939
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 2: feel will continue to put itself in position every year

940
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: and eventually they'll grab the belt, which to me is

941
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: all you can hope for. I felt the same way

942
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: about Ryan Day for a while. He just continues to

943
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 2: put his team in his program in position every year.

944
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: He's on the second to highest rung of the ladder.

945
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: He keeps reaching for the belt, you know, but his

946
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: opponent through.

947
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: The powder in his eyes and he's blindfolded, and he's

948
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: reaching for it. He'll eventually find it.

949
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 2: Now, you won't find it if you're standing on the

950
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: third rung of the ladder because you're not tall enough.

951
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: But if you get up to that second top.

952
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: Rung long enough and plan enough times you'll eventually grab

953
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: that belt. What I'm describing as SummerSlam nineteen ninety eight,

954
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: that intercontinental title ladder match.

955
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: We all remember how that turned out.

956
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: So that's the truth as I see it on Steve Sarksian,

957
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: as I see it, is a state speaker Series Hall

958
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 2: of Famer who knows could do business there in the future.

959
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: Business always there to be done at quick trip, I am.

960
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: Told, and I don't want to name names. Jesse.

961
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 2: I am told that producer Jesse recently took a trip

962
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: to the same place that everyone in the SEC takes

963
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: a trip to when they need a vacation.

964
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: And that is of course destined. And so Producer Jesse

965
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: on the way was classless enough to fall asleep while

966
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: someone else was driving.

967
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: And you get what you pay for. You reap what

968
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: you sew when you fall asleep. It's very poor manners.

969
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: When you fall asleep in the passenger seat. I don't

970
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: care how long you.

971
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Had been up. He didn't say anything, but I know

972
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: what he's thinking. But when you fall asleep, whatever happens happens.

973
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: And he wound up being driven several miles out of.

974
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: The way to go to a place that shan't be

975
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: named when I know good and well.

976
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: There were several quick trips en route to where he

977
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: was headed. So Jesse has been sanctioned accordingly. That's why

978
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: he's not on the show tonight. He has been sanctioned accordingly.

979
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 2: I expect more from him. I've gotten more from you guys,

980
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: because every day, by the dozens and dozens and dozens,

981
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 2: you guys tag me and quick trip and your visits

982
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: and coal brew station, just good old fashioned gas raisinless

983
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: trail mix. It's a lot more mythical than a reality,

984
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: but you can still search for it. I appreciate you

985
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: guys because they fuel our spring tours and our fall

986
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: tours and just a trip down the road to look

987
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: at freight trains, which I am wont to do this

988
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: time of year.

989
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: We appreciate quick trip.

990
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: Okay, let's continue good solid pacing here. I'm told the

991
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: college football season is going to arrive and with it

992
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 2: all of the transfer portal, nonsensible subside and nil talkle subside,

993
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: and we just imagine.

994
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: People like us able to watch football.

995
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: So Max will hit me from Buffalo, Minnesota, and he said,

996
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: what are some of the under the radar games this year?

997
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked Maxwell, because we've had this segment

998
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: for like three weeks and for whatever reason, it's been

999
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: put off. Auburn and Oklahoma in Week four, huge game.

1000
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: Auburn and Oklahoma features the number ten and number eleven

1001
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 2: teams in the SEC odds right now. But here's what's funny.

1002
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,959
Speaker 2: Tenth and eleventh in the SEC sounds like those teams

1003
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: are gonna be terrible. They're seventeenth and eighteenth in the

1004
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: College Football Playoff odds. It's just the SEC's pretty deep.

1005
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: We don't know how many elite teams there will be,

1006
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 2: but there are a lot of pretty good teams theoretically

1007
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: in the SEC. We got two third year head coaches

1008
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: that both have to get it done, Hugh Freeze Brinton Venables.

1009
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 2: By the time they play this game in Norman in

1010
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 2: Week four, Michigan will have already come to Norman and

1011
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 2: Auburn will have already played at Baylor. So are they undefeated?

1012
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: Do they both have a loss? Maybe multiple losses? You

1013
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: got Jackson Arnold presumably star at quarterback for Auburn, and

1014
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 2: he returns to Oklahoma.

1015
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: Two teams with I don't know what they're.

1016
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: Rated, but wherever you would rate them probably two of

1017
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: the most underrated pure roster talent teams in college football,

1018
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 2: because no one expects much from either of them, and

1019
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: they both got top fifteen rosters. So I'm gonna circle

1020
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: that one. I circle Clemson at Louisville. It's really late

1021
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: in the year, it's a Friday game, it's in week twelve. Everybody,

1022
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: including me, thinks that Clemson is the clear favorite right

1023
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 2: now to win the ACC. You got the returning quarterback,

1024
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: the returning offensive coordinator, really good defense.

1025
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: Everything's been geared towards this year.

1026
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 2: And if not Clemson, people probably say, Okay, well then

1027
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: it's going to be Miami. Maybe SMU is a sleeper. Hey,

1028
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: Louisville spank Clemson last year. They dominated this game. It

1029
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: was not even remotely as close as the final score indicated.

1030
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 2: And Louisville sitting there and they're an afterthought again and

1031
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: they went gott Miller Moss out of the portal. And

1032
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: Jeff Brohm, I will tell you we've had him for

1033
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 2: several years as the most underrated head coach in college football.

1034
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 2: He gets Clumson in his house on a Friday night.

1035
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: I believe in November, no one's gonna talk about it.

1036
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 2: No one's gonna be looking at that, but we are.

1037
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: So that's an underrated game. I am shocked that we're

1038
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: about to say what we're about to say. But USC

1039
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: at Notre Dame. For the record, I disagreed with this,

1040
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 2: but I was overruled by the staff. The staff said, yes,

1041
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: USC Notre Dame. It's not at the forefront of our

1042
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: mind right now. USC has several noteworthy.

1043
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: Big ten games this year.

1044
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: Notre Dame has Miami to start the year, They've got Texas,

1045
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: A and m The thought internally here was most people

1046
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: will look at this as what should be a win

1047
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: for Notre Dame.

1048
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: Fair. Fair. I don't chalk it up as one just yet.

1049
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: So that's maybe why I disagreed. Plus I've got so

1050
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: much respect for this rivalry. I just never assume that.

1051
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: But Colin, do we happen to have USC schedule?

1052
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: Because I was looking at it earlier and I thought,

1053
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: if big letters this time of year but a fun word.

1054
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: To use in April.

1055
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: If USC is to pop out of nowhere this year

1056
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: and be a surprise contender, this is where it would happen.

1057
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: Because at this point, USC's what of six seven, games

1058
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: into the season. I think they will have played Missouri State,

1059
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: Georgia Southern, probably a couple of wins. Their first conference

1060
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: game is at Purdue.

1061
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: They will be favored.

1062
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 2: It's a brand new coaching staff there. They should win.

1063
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: They got Michigan State at home. They should win that game.

1064
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: There is a three week stretch. There's a bye week

1065
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: in here, but there's a three week stretch. They go

1066
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: at Illinois and then they got Michigan. They could be

1067
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: a two loss team by this point. They could be undefeated.

1068
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: But if they are the latter, are not the former.

1069
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: Think about them going to Notre Dame and coming out

1070
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 2: of South Bend undefeated and with a bye week, so

1071
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: America's got two weeks to talk about it. My point

1072
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 2: is USC could win. Could They could lose five games

1073
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: again this year and be a non factor. But if

1074
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: they're gonna pop that week right there, coming out of

1075
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: that week, that's the area to circle on the calendar.

1076
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: That's when the world would start talking.

1077
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: About USC big if obviously, and then in the Big

1078
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: Ten Ohio State at Illinois in week seven. There's this

1079
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 2: stretch for Ohio State where they play three road games

1080
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: in four weeks. I think this is the second of

1081
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: the three. Big question about the Big Ten is colin

1082
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: is showing you the odds right now? Ohio State's the favorite,

1083
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: Oregon second, Penn State's third, Michigan's fourth. It's been that

1084
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 2: way forever.

1085
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: Big question about the Big Ten is there a tier

1086
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: two and how deep is it?

1087
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: Cause it's been sorely lacking recently, but the top end

1088
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 2: of the conference is made up for it. No one

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00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: cares how deep your second tier is. When Oregon and

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00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: Ohio State were as good as they were last year

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00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 2: and maybe they will be again this year, but the

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00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 2: difference could be what if Illinois has their best season

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00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: they've had in a long time, or Nebraska or Iowa

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00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 2: Indiana fulfilled their endo of the bargain last year, but

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Speaker 2: what if Illinois is that Well, this is where you

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Speaker 2: find out.

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Speaker 1: Illinois has a.

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Speaker 2: Stretch, a three week stretch where they got USC and

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Speaker 2: Ohio State coming into Champagne. Three week period, no bye

1100
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Speaker 2: week in between. Split those games for all I care,

1101
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: and you're a factor.

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00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: But if you were to win.

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00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,959
Speaker 2: The Ohio State game especially, that is its own whole

1104
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: new world in the Big Ten because those upsets just

1105
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 2: don't really happen in that conference. The upset has been

1106
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: Michigan over Ohio State. But those are two big time programs, rivalry,

1107
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: et cetera. Ohio State hasn't been falling in these kind

1108
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 2: of games. Illinois's number three in returning production, Ohio State's

1109
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 2: in the one hundreds. It's still It's in week seven,

1110
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: so it's deep enough in the year where Ohio State's.

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00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: Figured out quarterback whatever. But who knows it. It's an

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Speaker 1: underrated game.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was asking, and I'm telling you, I

1114
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: think that's an underrated game.

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Speaker 1: Got some what ifs I wanted to get to right quick.

1116
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: These are funny.

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00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 2: We'll do the first one. So there's one about Shador

1118
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 2: and Travis Hunter. I want to get to in a second,

1119
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 2: but this one's first.

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Speaker 1: Caveman hit us.

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00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: He said, I think the biggest what if in college

1122
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: football is simple. What if an ACC team like Clemson

1123
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Speaker 2: wins the national title this year? In my opinion, this

1124
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: would explode and expose so many takes about the ACC

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00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 2: and the fall of Dabbo, including some of my own takes. Unfortunately,

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00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: you're right it Clemson won the national title this year,

1127
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: or anyone in the ACC. We just assume it would

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Speaker 2: be Clemson. It's a huge story. It's a huge story.

1129
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: Then the follow up I want to know is, Okay,

1130
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: how they do it? Were they just a mega power

1131
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 2: of a team this year? Was it a down year

1132
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: across the sport and Clemson was just the best of

1133
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: a bunch of pretty good teams?

1134
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: Did they get hot at the right time? Were they

1135
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 1: pretty good? And then did what Ohio State did last year?

1136
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: How'd it happen? But that's beside the point.

1137
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: But you're right, think about the story, like Dabo, if

1138
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: I'm him, I just dropped the mic and go work

1139
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: in TV. If I do that, if I pull that off,

1140
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: if I weave my way through the portal era and

1141
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: everyone hating on me from my policy and then I

1142
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: bend a little bit on it, but I win with

1143
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: a team that's largely made up of guys we recruited,

1144
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 2: we developed, I finally went and hired externally. Both of

1145
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: my coordinators will be outside hires. Now Riley's been there

1146
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: a few years, Tom Allen comes in, and if they

1147
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: go and win the championship, it gets no better. It

1148
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: would be the biggest elbow off the top rope that

1149
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 2: anyone's ever given this sport, or at least that anyone

1150
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: in a long time has given this sport. And think

1151
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: about Dabbo. Now, Dabo already did it once. You've got

1152
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: Nick Saban and Alabama at the height of their power,

1153
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 2: just a huge empire like they are Rome and then

1154
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: a neighboring country just goes and takes them twice in

1155
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 2: the prime.

1156
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: Of the empire. That was Debo. So we already did

1157
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: it once.

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00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: If he does it again, now, the obstacle, more so

1159
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: than any other goliath out there, is people thinking the

1160
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 2: sport has passed you by, and you'd prove them wrong too.

1161
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 2: What more do you have to accomplish? So that would

1162
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: be big. And then also, here's the follow up to this.

1163
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: If an ACC team wins the title, think about how

1164
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: it changes the conversation around college football. So the calendar

1165
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: doesn't line up on those because those league commissioners are

1166
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: going to decide the playoff format in the future by

1167
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: December first, I think it was, So presumably I'm going

1168
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: somewhere with this. Presumably if Clemson or an ACC team

1169
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: were to win the title, it would happen after the

1170
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: future is already decided. But Think about what an ACC

1171
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: team winning the title would do. Think about the conversation.

1172
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: The entire premise for the SEC in the Big Ten

1173
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: is we want more guaranteed spots baked in because we're

1174
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: more powerful. The rest of you ought to be happy

1175
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: that we even leave some oxygen for you to breathe.

1176
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: And in the middle of all that, an ACC team

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Speaker 2: has the audacity to go and win a national title.

1178
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: How would that change the convo? Would it at all?

1179
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: Well, maybe it'd be a moot point by them, but

1180
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 2: I do think it would be. It'd be a big

1181
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 2: story for Debo, It'd be a big story for Clemson,

1182
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 2: it'd be a big story for the ACC.

1183
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: It'd be a big story for college football.

1184
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: And then we get to the how there's the whine,

1185
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: We get to the how Colin do we have this other?

1186
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: What if? This other one?

1187
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 2: I'm not going to get angry because it's okay, because

1188
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: this is what if season, and this is the what

1189
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: if segment. This is exactly what it's for. Right here,

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00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: Shane from Colorado Springs hit me. He said, what if

1191
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter are actually the most overrated

1192
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: players because of the Dion factor. What are we talking

1193
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: about here? So the Dion factor, he didn't define what

1194
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 2: that is. I assume he means Dion sand is someone

1195
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: who provides shine on players that otherwise wouldn't deserve as

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00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: much shine as they get. Maybe that's what he meant.

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00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: So let's unpack this for just a second. NFL drafts

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Speaker 2: coming up this week, Jesse, Both these guys everyone agrees

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Speaker 2: first round at some point, right, So they're gonna be

1200
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 2: drafted first round.

1201
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: They're gonna make a ton of money, They're gonna be

1202
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: all over your TV later this week.

1203
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: But if they're the most overrated because of the Dion factor,

1204
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: what if they're underrated?

1205
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: As impossible as that sounds, I.

1206
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: Think they're probably properly rated. They're getting a lot of love,

1207
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: and they have, and they should. But I want you

1208
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: to understand something. So Colorado won nine I'm composing myself,

1209
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: Colorado won nine games last year. Sometimes there's a star

1210
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: player or two on a team that is really underrated

1211
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: and has a lot of really good position groups and

1212
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 2: workmanlike players elsewhere, And honestly, a couple guys got the shine,

1213
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: but it really should have gone to more of the

1214
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: team because the rest of the team pulled a lot

1215
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: more of the load than you ever realized it. That

1216
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 2: was not Colorado with these two guys on the roster.

1217
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 2: And if you watched him play, you know what I mean.

1218
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders ran.

1219
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: For his life at Colorado.

1220
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders two things that you were guaranteed when you

1221
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 2: watched him, you're gonna have about three or four moments

1222
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: that made you say wow. And his uniform was gonna

1223
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: be green because he'd been on the ground the entire afternoon,

1224
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: no offensive line to speak of, got beat to death.

1225
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: And still made the plays he made.

1226
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter best player in the country, and everyone knows it,

1227
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: and everyone's key in on him, and everyone understands when

1228
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: the game's on the line, who the ball's probably going to,

1229
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: and he's playing both ways a million snaps per game.

1230
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: My point is they were stars on what was otherwise

1231
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 2: probably not a great team. They weren't surrounded by other stars.

1232
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 1: You're not gonna hear a bunch of other Colorado Buffos

1233
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: named this weekend in the NFL draft or from that

1234
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: team in future drafts in all likelihood. So that's not

1235
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: to speak ill of the team. They were what they were, but.

1236
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: The Dion effect, the Dion shine, whatever he said, what

1237
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: shine did they get that they didn't deserve? And then

1238
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 2: some you can be a couple of things. You can

1239
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: be no fan of Colorado or no fan of Deon

1240
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 2: Sanders or those players for all I care, but also

1241
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: give them credit where it's due.

1242
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up from Colorado fan. I grew up

1243
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: in rural Georgia. But I understand.

1244
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 2: I understand really good football when I see it, and

1245
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 2: those two on an individual.

1246
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: Basis did it last year.

1247
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 2: And I was one who thought you couldn't take that

1248
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: style into the Big twelve and be successful because I thought,

1249
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: if you got a couple of big stars, but the

1250
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 2: rest of your team is not up to par. All

1251
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 2: of these Big twelve teams are full of third, fourth,

1252
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: fifth year guys. They're just rock solid programs. They're bowling

1253
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 2: balls that get thrown at you every week, and if

1254
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: you're just a bunch of pins, you're gonna get knocked sideways.

1255
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: Well that's not what happened to Colorado. So that's a

1256
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: testament to that team.

1257
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Speaker 2: But man, I don't know if we watch different games

1258
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: or maybe people are rolling the dice, cause you have

1259
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: busts in the draft every year. So if one or

1260
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 2: two of those guys happen to be that, it'll give

1261
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: you some satisfaction to say it. I don't know if

1262
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: if they're overrated, I don't know that it's because.

1263
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Speaker 1: Of the Dion effect. That's just me. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We move merrily along. I got one more thing to

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Speaker 1: talk about here. We've got odds.

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Speaker 2: They got draft odds over at Fanduell. I don't necessarily

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Speaker 2: get into it, but they got odds on who's gonna

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Speaker 2: go where. I saw Shador's odds were moving a little bit,

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Speaker 2: probably probably because.

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Speaker 2: and I figured I put this at the end of

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Speaker 2: the show. I think most of you will like this,

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Speaker 2: but who knows, maybe it's not for everybody, So I

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01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 2: put it at the end of the show for that reason.

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Speaker 2: Ethan from Nashville, Tennessee. He said, I heard you on

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01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: Nashville radio today talking about cam Ward being the right

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01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 2: pick for the Titans. Can you share more on them

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01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 2: or go deeper on it? I found it very interesting, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I can. This is the first and only time that

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01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 2: I talked about the Titans all year, and I don't

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01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 2: never talk in NFL.

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Speaker 1: I don't ever talk draft. But I was on radio

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Speaker 1: with Buck.

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01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 2: Rising and Lucas Penzica earlier today here in Nashville one

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01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 2: oh four to five of the Zone, and they were

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01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: asking me about cam Ward. And you know, I'm around

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01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 2: Miami a fair amount. I've seen a lot of cam Ward.

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01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of him that no one else

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01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 2: saw because they're kind enough to give us access down

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01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 2: there candidly. Not many other people get. So I've been

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01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: around cam Ward a fair amount the past year, and

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01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 2: I realized, oh, I've actually got stories about cam Ward

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01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: that no one else has.

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01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: I can tell them now cause the.

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01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: Season's over, so I'll give you a few of them

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01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,959
Speaker 2: because I shared this on radio earlier today. You know how,

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01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: if you've ever played organized sports, there's the kid that's talented.

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01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 2: Therefore the coaches want him to be the leader of

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01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 2: the team, but he just doesn't have it in him

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01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: to be a leader. And you know when someone's faking that,

1330
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 2: because it's so cringe worthy.

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01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: When someone tries to be a vocal leader but he's

1332
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: not wired to be one, it is so cringe worthy.

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01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: Whatever the opposite of that is.

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01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 2: That's cam Ward. So I'm down there last summer. Plw's

1335
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: player led workouts are happening in summer. It's not the

1336
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 2: coaches on the field, it's just the players running the workouts.

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01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 2: Ward at that point has just gotten on campus and

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01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 2: I'm down there meeting with people. I'm down there working

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01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 2: out that day. But the way Miami's practice facility is configured,

1340
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 2: the weight room opens up to the indoor practice field,

1341
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 2: so I got the door open so I can hear

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01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 2: in practicing out there.

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01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: So all of them arrive and they're getting together. Cam Ward.

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01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: If you picture a general commanding.

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01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 2: Troops, that's what it looked like. This dude just walked

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01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,959
Speaker 2: on campus, this major college football. This dude just walked

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01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 2: in here from Washington State. Like most people candidly playing

1348
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 2: at Miami cannot point out Pullman Washington on a map.

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01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: Most people watching the show camp. So he's been playing

1350
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: out in some other state, in some other part of

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01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: the country, halfway to Russia, and he comes down here.

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01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 2: And you got some good players on that Miami team.

1353
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 2: And not only do every one of them have their

1354
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 2: mouth shut listening to him, he's in their face, dog

1355
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 2: cussing them, and they're taking it. Linemen are taking it

1356
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 2: just as much as wide receivers are taking it. And

1357
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 2: I remember looking at that and thinking to myself, he's

1358
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: been on campus a week, less than a week at

1359
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: the point I was down there.

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01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: It's such a testament.

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01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: To what legit alpha leadership looks like, because there were guys.

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01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: Who have been at Miami four years who could never

1363
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: get away with that. He walked in the door and

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01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: within seventy two hours had the entire program by the throat.

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01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: Second thing I remember about cam Ward is in the fall,

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01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm at practice one day. It's the middle of the

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01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: season and I'm out there at practice one day. I'm

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01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: standing behind the line of scrimmage. They're doing red zone. No,

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01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. It wasn't the regular season.

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01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 2: They got into fall camp and I went to a

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01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: practice during fall camp and they're working red zone and

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01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: it's towards the end of practice, and so they're working

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01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: towards this end zone.

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01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm standing back here.

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01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 2: I can hear Shannon Dawson calling the plays in I'm

1376
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 2: standing there watching them from behind the line of scrimmage

1377
01:07:55,080 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 2: and award threads one for a touchdown.

1378
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: Mario Shannon Dawson.

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01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: Somebody just looked over at the officials who you have

1380
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 2: work in practice and just told him to call it.

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01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: Call a hold. There wasn't one. Just call a hold.

1382
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: Let's just see what happens.

1383
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: They're trying to push him mentally, and so he loses

1384
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 2: it for a second because he knows good and well

1385
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 2: it was a bad call. But they just regroup and

1386
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 2: they go score again. And then they call another phantom

1387
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 2: penalty to negate the score because they just want to

1388
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: see how he's gonna react, and he loses it again,

1389
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 2: composes himself again. They go down there a third time,

1390
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: they call a third penalty on him.

1391
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: They re racket again, go down there.

1392
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: This dude scores twenty eight points worth of red zone

1393
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 2: touchdowns over the span of probably ten minutes of real

1394
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 2: time when you factor in how long it took. All

1395
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 2: they were doing was pushing him mentally because he did

1396
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 2: not go through spring with them. So they're trying to

1397
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 2: figure out, Yeah, we know he's got arm talent, we

1398
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 2: know he's incredibly mobile, but like, neck up, can we

1399
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: count on him live bullets flying? I mean, what's he

1400
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 2: gonna do. Is he gonna get penalties? He's gonna lose

1401
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 2: his mind, lose his cool. And I think that day

1402
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 2: I was watching a lot of guys walk off the field.

1403
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 2: You got coaches looking at each other just smiling because

1404
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 2: they know, all right, we learned a lot today.

1405
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: None of it was physical. We learned a lot today.

1406
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 2: Then later in the year, that was when we were

1407
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 2: down there during the season, He's in the thick of

1408
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 2: the Heisman race and I was down there.

1409
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: They'd probably practiced that day.

1410
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 2: I'm down there and the Heisman Trust sends him a letter,

1411
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 2: and the Heisman Trust, I don't know if you've ever

1412
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 2: gotten mail from the.

1413
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 1: Heisman, but it looks pretty legit when it comes.

1414
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 2: In, And so we got, I mean, we got sports

1415
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 2: information types holding that letter and they're like, check this out, man,

1416
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 2: this from the Heisman. Look at that seal looks like

1417
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 2: a wedding invitation.

1418
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: And so they wrapped up practice.

1419
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 2: Some assistant goes and gets Camore bringing back down the

1420
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 2: tunnel and he's handed his letter. Now, this is not

1421
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 2: a letter that announces that you're a finalist. It's one

1422
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 2: of those letters that says you're kind of on the

1423
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 2: narrowed down watch list, like you're really on the radar.

1424
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 2: You're probably gonna be a Heisman finalist. I am telling you,

1425
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 2: if you got this piece of mail, this thing would

1426
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 2: go on your mantle until the end of time. It's

1427
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,799
Speaker 2: that fancy looking He takes that thing, looks at it, says.

1428
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: What is this?

1429
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 2: He's not performing for anyone. I don't even think he

1430
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 2: knew anyone else could hear it.

1431
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: He just looks at it, says what is this?

1432
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 2: And he hasn't explained to him, And he said, so

1433
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 2: I'm not even a finalist, Like this doesn't even mean

1434
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 2: anything to me, and just it's on the ground. I

1435
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 2: should have picked it up, but I didn't. It just

1436
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 2: walks off.

1437
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: Not a disrespectful move at all.

1438
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, up until you actually achieved something to him,

1439
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 2: didn't really matter how fancy the lettering was.

1440
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: It didn't matter how cool it seal looked.

1441
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:41,640
Speaker 2: It's just didn't really mean as much as maybe it

1442
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 2: would have to someone else.

1443
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: Anyway.

1444
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 2: Those are the observations I had of cam Ward in

1445
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 2: the past year going down to Miami, and I have

1446
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 2: zero down in my mind that this organization here across

1447
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 2: the river needs a lot. But you won't need to

1448
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 2: guess who the alpha leader in the room is anymore

1449
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 2: because the second you draft that dude, you got that

1450
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 2: taken care of. Now it's up to you whether you

1451
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 2: surround him with the right pieces and you can do

1452
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 2: it take it to leave.

1453
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not a Titans fan, so I.

1454
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 2: Don't really care, but I would love to on Sundays

1455
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,719
Speaker 2: look across the river as we're here working and see

1456
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 2: a full stadium instead of a Parsley full stadium, and

1457
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 2: half the colors are the opposing team's colors.

1458
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: That would be nice for a change.

1459
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, we were talking about that on a radio

1460
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: earlier today. It's nice that one of you was listening.

1461
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 2: It's just cam Ward different cat, Different Cat. That's our

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01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 2: show tonight. We appreciate you guys so much. We'll do

1463
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 2: a show Sunday. Thursday, the draft starts. Just go have

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Speaker 2: your draft fun. We'll be back Sunday. We'll be jam

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Speaker 2: packed as usual.

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Speaker 1: All's well, That ends well for direct column. For producer Jesse,

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Pate.

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