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Speaker 1: Hello, peasants. I am Robert Evans, the grand Damn of

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Speaker 1: the podcasting scene, the Queen of England of casting Pods,

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Speaker 1: here to welcome you back to the internet's premier podcast,

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Speaker 1: the only good podcast on the Internet, Behind the Bastard.

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Speaker 1: I have a serious question that somebody bully you into

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Speaker 1: watching Britain on Netflix. I don't know what any of

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Speaker 1: those words mean, but I know that none of them

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Speaker 1: are in the Bible. I'm such a good comeback. I

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Speaker 1: have nothing to say. Christopheropher is here, This is great here.

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Speaker 1: How are we doing? I good? I I had a

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Speaker 1: moral spiritual crisis. We're writing the second part of this episode.

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Speaker 1: But whether I was going to do the thing I'm

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Speaker 1: about to do, and so I'm gonna just do it

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Speaker 1: to you. So I love it when people do things

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Speaker 1: to me. We're just We're just We're just gonna do it. Robert,

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Speaker 1: have you ever fallen down the gladiol rabbit hole? Oh god, Now,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you about this, Christopher, because I think

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Speaker 1: about gladius Is all the time, and the big question

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Speaker 1: in my mind is, right, do you go with an

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Speaker 1: original Italian pattern? Okay? Or do you go with like

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Speaker 1: the Iberian pattern, which most people will agree is a

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Speaker 1: superior stabbing weapon UM, but doesn't have quite as much

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Speaker 1: of the historic cachet because right, like, that's not the

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Speaker 1: first fucking punic warp weapon. So I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: think I'm probably just gonna get several different gladius is um,

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Speaker 1: and I think that that's probably going to be be

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Speaker 1: good for me. But but everyone needs a Gladius um.

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Speaker 1: It's the ultimate bisexual killing weapon because it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: double edged um and extremely sharp on all sides. And

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Speaker 1: and so I think that, you know, everyone, we have

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Speaker 1: to stand a bisexual weapon of imperialist aggression. And that's

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Speaker 1: that's why I support the Gladius. You know, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: I think I think if I if you forced me

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Speaker 1: to buy one Gladius, I think I would go with

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Speaker 1: the tradition and one because again, like you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean that that is in Chris's contract, right, that's all

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Speaker 1: of our cools unemployees are legally required to own a Gladius.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise you can't draft you to take over. Because Chris,

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Speaker 1: when we have to go take back and burn Carthage

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Speaker 1: to the ground, what are you gonna do without a Gladius. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean here's here's here's but you've got you've got

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Speaker 1: strong Prinka Pie energy too, So I feel like a

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Speaker 1: polarm would work well for you. Well, I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is this is the thing, right because you're you're okay,

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Speaker 1: you your sword if if someone has gotten close enough

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Speaker 1: and so and so you know my my my thesis

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Speaker 1: on this, right is this allows you, this allows you

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Speaker 1: Italian Gladius. Right because the thing that the thing that

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Speaker 1: And that means the Gladius doesn't is the symbolic importance

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Speaker 1: When we hired you, I thought to myself, this here

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Speaker 1: is an individual who doesn't go by the cucked post

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Speaker 1: Marian reforms, Republican military and and that's that's why you're

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Speaker 1: on this team, because you understand that you need Tree

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Speaker 1: Yi and has Jotti and Prinka Pie in order to

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Speaker 1: Reforms Roman Republican military joke by getting the kind of

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Speaker 1: infantry you were supposed to be wrong. Yes, stop talking,

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Speaker 1: Chris episode Okay, okay, So Gladio, all right, Gladio Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how how how much do you know about this? So? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: up a series of stay behind networks to repeatedly murder

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Speaker 1: what is effectively like an extended insurgent campaign in countries

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Speaker 1: that are quote unquote allies of ours on paper. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: There's there's a thing on Twitter where if you mentioned

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Speaker 1: The other theory behind this, right is it like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna read the act. Well, I'm going to read

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Speaker 1: from the National Security Directive tend TO that authorized this

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Speaker 1: economic warfare, preventative direct action, including sabotage, anti sabotage, demolition

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Speaker 1: the foundation many different like things that are official government

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Speaker 1: That's just good, that's just good for us, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is how, this is how

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Speaker 1: They have you know, they have people in the state

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Speaker 1: security services. So you've got like your soldiers, your cops,

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Speaker 1: you can already see the sort of similarities to Conjure

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Speaker 1: don't let's I feel like you said weapons caches like it,

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Speaker 1: the only way to stop a bad guy with a weapons.

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Speaker 1: Cash is a good guy with a weapons. But but unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta give you gotta give you guys

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Speaker 1: is like making you buy their A K forty seven's like,

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Speaker 1: terrible stuff. Now, okay, not nominally these things they're supposed

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Speaker 1: His nineteen seventy n seven right wing military coup. We

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Speaker 1: Moonies and a bunch of other worlds people. It is good,

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Speaker 1: and if if I actually had done the Morrow kidnapping

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Speaker 1: just like fall from the ceiling with knives and assassinate me.

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Speaker 1: So but what what what I can say about this

425
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Speaker 1: is that Gladio, you know, as much as people sort

426
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: of exceptionalized with Gladio is Gladio is basically a mirror

427
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: version of of the U s's own parallels or to

428
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Speaker 1: stay behind networks abroad, and these are things like the

429
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Speaker 1: First Observation Group which is a U. S Special Forces

430
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Speaker 1: group that was deployed to do terrorism in South Vietnam,

431
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Speaker 1: like back in the fifties with the US astill, you know,

432
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Speaker 1: doing this whole thing that they claimed they weren't in

433
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Speaker 1: South Vietnam. Um. Yeah, and this is literally anyway whatever, Robert,

434
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Speaker 1: you know what else is a model for fascist desk squads.

435
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: Oh well, this podcast actually so. And when Sylvie and

436
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Speaker 1: I sat down to plan how behind the Bass which

437
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Speaker 1: is gonna work? You know, first question we asked was like,

438
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Speaker 1: how are we going to organize the division of labor

439
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Speaker 1: to make this work? And both at the same time,

440
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: it was amazing, instantly looked each other right in the

441
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Speaker 1: eye and said at the same time, fascist death squads.

442
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Speaker 1: And that's why we still use that organizational method today

443
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Speaker 1: for this show. Yeah, and this is this is this

444
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Speaker 1: is this is why we're sponsored by A and the

445
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, primarily UM elements of the UM

446
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: all united in operation of fascist death squads, which we support.

447
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Speaker 1: Here Behind the Bastards the Dead Squad podcast notes. Thank you, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: we're back. Ah. And you know, thinking about fascist death

449
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Speaker 1: squads makes me think about death squads. You just really

450
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Speaker 1: wanted to do it. I did. I did. You know what,

451
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Speaker 1: I love making our editor bleep things I do, I do,

452
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: I do it. I do it just for you, Sophie. Well,

453
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: it's really but it's really no big deal for me.

454
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Speaker 1: I just type an edit note. I know, I know.

455
00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: I just want you to I just want you to

456
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Speaker 1: feel like you're part of the team, Sophie. I run

457
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Speaker 1: the team, Robert, I am the team. That doesn't sound

458
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Speaker 1: like something I'd hear because I so that's very confusing

459
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Speaker 1: to me because I take a lot of credit for

460
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Speaker 1: running the team. So, you know, pretty weird you're sitting

461
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Speaker 1: on the bench most of the time. But okay, well,

462
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Speaker 1: speaking of benches, uh uh, babe, Ruth, you saw somebody

463
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Speaker 1: list that on the Twitter thread that I approached it

464
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Speaker 1: about you knowing a sports reference that doesn't count. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: let's return to the story. You know, I I could

466
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Speaker 1: do a baby your segway here, but I'm just not

467
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Speaker 1: going to. So what all of this stuff is going

468
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Speaker 1: on in Italy? The league is getting up to just

469
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Speaker 1: some other unfathomable atrocities across Latin America, and one of

470
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Speaker 1: the main engines of these atrocity it turns out is

471
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Speaker 1: the KMT back in Taiwan. Now, Now, last episode we

472
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Speaker 1: talked about how the KMT was the original Des Squad

473
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: Party UM and the time when these spend most of

474
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Speaker 1: the Cold War using the World Anti Communist League to

475
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: sort of export their model of anti communist Des Squad

476
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Speaker 1: Party abroad. UM. The CAMC called this. There's sort of

477
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: like there they have like a method, right, they have

478
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Speaker 1: this stuff that they have this thing, and the method

479
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Speaker 1: is called political warfare, and this is essentially political warfare.

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Speaker 1: Is the KMT basically going Okay, so like what if

481
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Speaker 1: we do what if we did like like like almost

482
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Speaker 1: like a part over the top parody of communist indoctrination

483
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: or but like like to our own people for for

484
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: anti communism, like they have they have Soviet style communists

485
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: like literally still like commissars whose job it is to

486
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Speaker 1: like maintain the ideological and party discipline in the military,

487
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Speaker 1: but they're anti communists this time, like everyone is trained

488
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Speaker 1: to spy on each other. Yeah, it's it's great. It's

489
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: like we we've defeated communism by taking every bad aspect

490
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Speaker 1: of like anything you can find in a communist state

491
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Speaker 1: and just doing it for anti communism, can't question Mark.

492
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Speaker 1: They developed this model of like war called the War

493
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Speaker 1: of the Masses, which is literally their version of Mao's

494
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Speaker 1: guerrilla warfare. Um, it is awesome how all of these

495
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Speaker 1: guys like Crib particularly from Mouth, a bunch of the

496
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Speaker 1: ones in the United States, because there's a clearly it works. Yeah,

497
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Speaker 1: he was really good at He was really really good

498
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Speaker 1: at he was You gotta give it, you gotta give

499
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Speaker 1: mau credit where it's due. Yeah, the man had his

500
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: areas of expertise. Yeah, it was exactly that, and nothing

501
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: else to do with agriculture or famous famously good at agriculture,

502
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Speaker 1: the guy who reads Starving Ghosts. Yeah. Yeah. The KMT

503
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Speaker 1: is like it's like it's it's it's like a right

504
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: wing parody of what it commist police it is, but

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Speaker 1: it's anti communists. And and they're they're also huge on

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Speaker 1: this thing called counter terror. And I think most people

507
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Speaker 1: listening to this the You're gonna hear counter terror and

508
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Speaker 1: assume what I'm talking about like some counter terrorism thing,

509
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Speaker 1: and like kind of like that there are kind of

510
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Speaker 1: terrorism stuff that is just counter terror. But I've known

511
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Speaker 1: a lot of professional counter terrorism people and and Hung

512
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Speaker 1: out with them while they did counter terrorism and boy

513
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: it looks a lot like terrorism. Yeah. Well and about

514
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: the iraqis yeah, counter terrorism forces. Well, the thing with this,

515
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Speaker 1: right is counter terror. Counter terror is just cutting out

516
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Speaker 1: the whole sort of middleman thing. Counter terror terror is

517
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Speaker 1: just the state go literally going weird. The terrorists now

518
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: are planned to win this war is We're going to

519
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Speaker 1: terrorize the population, do kidnapping, assassinations and massacres until they

520
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: don't support gerrillas Anymorey. Yeah, then this is I mean,

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Speaker 1: the k MT are like pioneers of this. The the U. S.

522
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Speaker 1: Army teaches this to people, and everyone we're about to

523
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Speaker 1: talk about is just obsessed with kind of terror like

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Speaker 1: this is like this is like eight percent of what

525
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Speaker 1: they do is oh my god, what what what if

526
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Speaker 1: we did every atrocity we're accusing our enemies of, but

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Speaker 1: like significantly worse. And you know, one of the places

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Speaker 1: they learned this stuff is the Political Warfare Academy in Taipei,

529
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Speaker 1: which is you know, it starts taking students from militaries

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Speaker 1: all across Latin America. And this is this is why

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Speaker 1: don't we have a political warfare Academy? Sophie that's true.

532
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: We should have one. We should, we should, we should.

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Speaker 1: It's in the budget for next year. Okay, alright, good,

534
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: that's that's good. Okay, Sophie. We we have to make

535
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Speaker 1: this very clear right now. I am going to run

536
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Speaker 1: the Political Warfare Academy so that when all the officers

537
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Speaker 1: that I treat we were personally loyal to me, so

538
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Speaker 1: that I can sucessfully overthrow Robert in a military coup. Yeah,

539
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: this seems. This seems like a good plan for me.

540
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: It's so funny that you would think that he would

541
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: need to be the one that's overthrown when I am.

542
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: I've always just I've always just been the figurehead of this.

543
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, just think I want to be the fingerhead.

544
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Speaker 1: I don't want to do the actual work, which is

545
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Speaker 1: why I'm not overthrowing Sophie. I want to be like

546
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: that seems awful, dear god. I just want to be

547
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: the podcast equivalent of what was one of the guys

548
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Speaker 1: who was just a figurehead? Um um, late what's his name?

549
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: I was thinking Star Wars, the fake the faith Queen

550
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Speaker 1: Ammi dolla, Yes, I was gonna say with Star Wars,

551
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Speaker 1: I want to be the the I don't even know

552
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: enough about Star Wars whatever, let's continue, Okay, So okay,

553
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: so you have this Tiwny School the America's thing, and like, okay,

554
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: so there are a lot of people who get trained

555
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Speaker 1: in a lot of like you know, schools to do

556
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Speaker 1: counter terror. But like, okay, even people who have been

557
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Speaker 1: to the School of America's of the Americas, like they

558
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: talked to people who come back from political with were

559
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: if you're training and are like, those guys got weird,

560
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: Like they're like two into this, you see, just like

561
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: people who are in des squads, like we'll talk to

562
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Speaker 1: we'll like talk about people who are like came back

563
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Speaker 1: from Taiwan and really like those guys are a bit weird.

564
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: These guys are like those guys are a bit much

565
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Speaker 1: And you know the camp she starts like exploining this model. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote from inside the league here about like

567
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Speaker 1: what they were doing. First. Through its liaisons in the league,

568
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: the camp identified the political party in the Latin country

569
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: that was the most militantly anti communist. The party chosen

570
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: to be represented in the League is invariably the one

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Speaker 1: that has already proven as anti commuist medal or displays

572
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: the ability or displays the ability and will to do so.

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Speaker 1: Following the KMTE model, the chosen party establishes a nationwide

574
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Speaker 1: intelligence and counter terror network. These paramilitary groups are then

575
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: gradually incorporated into the nation's armed forces. This is usually

576
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: accomplished when in a moment of national crisis, the army

577
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: turns to these civilian bands for support when it is

578
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: too impotent to curb them. Um. One of the parties

579
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Speaker 1: they choose is the MLN in Guatemala, which is founded

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Speaker 1: by this guy named Mario Salvador Alacrone. And this is

581
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Speaker 1: a guy who wants said that sounds like that sounds

582
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Speaker 1: like an airport Italian restaurant right there. I mean, he's

583
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Speaker 1: definitely he's definitely fascist enough to be an Italian UM

584
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Speaker 1: or to work at an airport Mayeah, both too incredibly

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Speaker 1: fascist places. This is a guy, Okay, I'm gonna read

586
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Speaker 1: this quote from him. I could perhaps accept the label

587
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: of fascist, Sandoval told a French reporter in nineteen eight

588
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: one in the historical sense of the word, were it

589
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: not for the fact that it refers to a type

590
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Speaker 1: of socialism, albeit national socialism. So this is a guy

591
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: who fascism is too socialist for him. Okay, buddy, it's incredible.

592
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: And uh, this is the guy who is the head

593
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: of the Guatemalan after the Nazi Party from the right. Yeah, no,

594
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: that's literally his thinking. This is the guy used the

595
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Speaker 1: Guatemal and like the head of the Guatemalan chapter of

596
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: the Nati Communist League for like, basically his entire life,

597
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: Um Mario Sandoval out of Chrome was. He he's an

598
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: old school like Guatemalan right winger. Like he's one of

599
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: the guys who like did the nineteen in j Bat

600
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Speaker 1: coup against the democratic he elected to Kobo Rbens, so

601
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: like he's been around. And he's also one of the

602
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: people behind the White Hand, which is basically they're the

603
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: most fear and bloodthirsty desk out in Columbia until like

604
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: the army fully makes over and starts doing that. That

605
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: the genocide stuff against the Maya population. And now, lest

606
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: you think, lest you think Sandoval out of Kron did

607
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 1: not do the genocide, he absolutely is. Anytime you read

608
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Speaker 1: anything about the genocide, like the first part of the

609
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: genocide is I'm talking about like the stuff that he

610
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: did in the sixties and seventies. Um including just like

611
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: the White Hand. They have this fairly famous thing where

612
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Speaker 1: like in the nineteen seventies there there's all these like

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Speaker 1: agricultural co operative co operaters forming and the White Hand,

614
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Speaker 1: and again these are just people like forming coops and

615
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: the White Hand just walks in and slaughters them all um.

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Speaker 1: And Okay, I haven't been able to figure out the

617
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Speaker 1: exact extent to which he was involved in the full

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Speaker 1: on genocide a starch um. I mean, there's there's no

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Speaker 1: way he didn't want the genocide to happen. But the

620
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: thing about it that's weird is it like his political

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00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: enemies are in power when the genocide starts, and I

622
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Speaker 1: mean you know that this is in some sense like

623
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Speaker 1: a reflection of how deeply just like genocidal the entire

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00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: sort of guatemal and political classes, right because like his

625
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: enemies gonna put in power and they still do what

626
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: they still do. A n aside, but I mean he's

627
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: definitely still killing people, Like there's definitely his esquadras on

628
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: burning people in the streets. It's kind of unclear exactly

629
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Speaker 1: how involved he was in the army just like exterminating people.

630
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: But do you know who was actively involved at on

631
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: the level of directly back in the military the KMT. So, yeah,

632
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Speaker 1: you were doing an ad plug and to say, the

633
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Speaker 1: products and services that support this podcast, which probably yes, like,

634
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: but yeah, the KMT specifically here. So so all right,

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Speaker 1: I guess I I previewed this last episode when I

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Speaker 1: was talking about, um, the whole thing about how the

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Speaker 1: US like refused to recognize the People's Republic of China

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Speaker 1: is legitimate government of China until nineteen seventy nine, and

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Speaker 1: at seventy nine, the US finally flips and like recognizes

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Speaker 1: the PRC as legitimate government of China instead of recognizing

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Speaker 1: like the KMT s rump government in Taiwan and almost

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Speaker 1: all of the world old like rump. Yeah, look like

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Speaker 1: almost all the countries in the world recognize the PC.

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Speaker 1: One of the ones that doesn't, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: and the people who don't, it's like it's like Rhodesia

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Speaker 1: and like South Africa, like apartheid South Africa. And one

647
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Speaker 1: of the other countries is Guatemala, and so Taiwana Guatemala

648
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Speaker 1: remain are incredibly close political allies. Um, the Guatemalan Army

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Speaker 1: like sends ah, but there's I mean, they're so have

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Speaker 1: such directly tied interests Taiwan Guatemala both, well, they both

651
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Speaker 1: really like killing communists. Specific that that is, that's that's

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Speaker 1: that's the thing that they really like killing communists. And

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Speaker 1: so yeah, they're going on army sends a bunch of

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Speaker 1: officers to Twant's Political Warfare Academy Taiwan, sells them weapons

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Speaker 1: and says military advisors and trainers to Guatemala. And so there,

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Speaker 1: I just I love you know, it's there's just it's

657
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Speaker 1: always beautiful when when people come together around and shared interests. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: international solidarity between starity. Okay, probably I'm gonna start going

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Speaker 1: to start a rousing chorus and the people's flag is

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Speaker 1: deepest read that's right. Oh and yeah and so and

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Speaker 1: so one of the things that what ends up happening

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Speaker 1: here is that there's a bunch of Taiwanese military advisors,

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Speaker 1: there's Taiwanese political warfare pamphlets like flooding around everywhere, and

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Speaker 1: all of this is going on. When when the government,

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Speaker 1: when the Guatemalan government starts doing the genocide lm Ao

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Speaker 1: Sorry wait, that's not an l m Ao situation. So

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Speaker 1: it's real bad. I mean, we'll we'll we'll get to

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Speaker 1: something that's kind of lm ao in a second, but

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Speaker 1: in the immediate thing here by, by the end of

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Speaker 1: the genocide, the Guatemala government has killed two hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: people and wipe like in their entire like cultures that

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Speaker 1: are gone, like their whole languages that are just wiped out.

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Speaker 1: Like it's like if you've ever insably horrifying, spend any

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00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: time in Guatemal and talk to some like older people,

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00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: like there are there are towns, significant chunks of them

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00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: where like the army is still not allowed in like

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00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: they are effectively like autonomous because um the genesis. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as a result of like the fucking genocide, like fucking

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00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: an experience you will regularly have, or at least ten

680
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: years ago you regularly have. Is like turning a street

681
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: corner and there's just forty or fifty people lining the street,

682
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: all missing legs and arms and hands. Um. And it's

683
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: not because they all had separate accidents. Um. Yeah, Like

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Speaker 1: it's Guatemala is fucking dope. Is ship Guatemalan people very nice? Uh?

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Speaker 1: The degree to which that country got fucked over, um

686
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: is one of the things that makes me angriest in

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00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, it is. It is particularly horrible. And

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00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: as a side note here, when the U N does

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Speaker 1: do you and eventually in the nineties does doesn't investigation

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Speaker 1: of the genocide and Taiwan refuses to cooperate and you

691
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Speaker 1: just day. To the best of my knowledge, the documents

692
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: about exactly what Taiwan was doing the genocide are still classified.

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00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: So that's fun, that's great. Yeah, So Mario sent up

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Speaker 1: all Autocron's recruitment into the league, like it wasn't just

695
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: about sort of Taiwanese diplomatic relations. He's brought in as

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Speaker 1: and they literally call him the grandfather, the godfather of

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Speaker 1: death squads. Like everyone just calls him the godfather. It's

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Speaker 1: fucking Italians, okay, sure. And and so you know, he's

699
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Speaker 1: brought in the train other deat squad leaders and one

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Speaker 1: of those guys is Roberto. See this guy is a

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Speaker 1: French name. I think it's I think it's Debussan something

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Speaker 1: like that, Robert. And he so he he is a

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Speaker 1: guy who would say things like and he said this

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Speaker 1: to a journalist quote, You Germans are were very intelligent.

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Speaker 1: You realize that the Jews were responsible for the spread

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00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: of communism and you began to kill them, m boy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so his nickname is blowtorch Bob. And yeah, do

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Speaker 1: you want to guess why his nickname is blowtorch Bob?

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Speaker 1: I really don't want to guess. I'm gonna be I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be fair with you. I will prefer not to

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Speaker 1: guess on that. I will just tell you it's because

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Speaker 1: he was famous for just using blowtorch torture prisoners. Oh, well, yeah,

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00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: he's he's actually a similarity that he has with with

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Speaker 1: our our producer Sophie. I don't use a blowtorch. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well it's a can of hair spray with a lighter

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Speaker 1: Sophie works similarly. Well, at least get your facts straight

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Speaker 1: if you're going to accuse me of something. This is

718
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Speaker 1: this is how we handle problems like that time. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know where I'm going with this joke.

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Speaker 1: Please continue. So Rovirtual like so, he goes to the

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Speaker 1: league's meeting in Buenos Aires night eighty and he asked

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Speaker 1: for help running desk squads, and he becomes send of

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Speaker 1: all out of krons like Protege and this he He

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Speaker 1: also goes to Taiwan and spends time at the Camties

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Speaker 1: Political Warfare Academy. Here here's here's from inside the league

726
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Speaker 1: about his time there. In an interview with a French

727
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Speaker 1: reporter in nineteen eight seven, they have Buston said that

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Speaker 1: the courses he took in Beto, which is Betos, a

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Speaker 1: district in Taiwan. Yeah. Yeah, we're a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: who came over from China, like wind up that this

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Speaker 1: is where the academy is. In ninety seven was quote

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Speaker 1: the best class I ever studied. Those lessons are what

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Speaker 1: I applied when I organized, We started organizing civic groups.

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Speaker 1: Political war is different from military war. It is different

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Speaker 1: in its space. The political war is defined in three

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty degrees. The military war is a war

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Speaker 1: in space. But there is one military front, one theater

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Speaker 1: of operation. In the military war, the young people could

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Speaker 1: participate young men, especially in political warfare. Everyone participate. Bates

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Speaker 1: political warfare. The abusion said, it is psychological warfare against

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Speaker 1: the enemy. I started psychological warfare against the Communists. I'd

742
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: announced the program, their treason, their infiltrations into governments. The

743
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: political warfare was a compliment to the armed fight. And

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00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: so Taiwan is not the only country that's appointing this guy. Um.

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Speaker 1: At that same League meeting in nineteen eighty, he meets

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Speaker 1: with representatives of the Argentinian police state to like ask

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00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: for more training to like fund his death squads. And

748
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, we should go back to Operation Condor for

749
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Speaker 1: a second, because remember, like this is this is how

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00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 1: Condor started, right, Contra starts with a bunch of people

751
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: at at cl meetings like coming together and going, hey,

752
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: we should go communist together. And you know the thing

753
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: about Condors that Condor had originally been a project of

754
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: what's called the Southern Cone, which is like a region

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00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: of Latin America covering like Argentina, Chile, Uruguay and sometimes

756
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: like Paraguay and part of Brazil. Um. And what this

757
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: meeting of the Cil was doing was exporting a new

758
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: version of Condor into worth to Central America. This is

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00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: sending it to Al Salvador, to Honduras, to guadam to Nicaragua. UM.

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Speaker 1: Here's from the predatory state. The nineteen eighty w a

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Speaker 1: c L and meeting Anti Communist League meeting in Buenos

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Speaker 1: Aures seemed to have been a defining event, and exporting

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Speaker 1: the Condour system from the Southern Cone. The meeting brought

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Speaker 1: together various right wing forces, intelligence agents, and military official officers,

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Speaker 1: including many involved in Condor, to strategize about ways to

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Speaker 1: accelerate the world anti communist crusade. In March nineteen eighty,

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Speaker 1: the cent in East and Media announced that the CIA

768
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: was interfering in Nicaragua and Al Salvador and training former

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00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: National Guard troops in Honduras. So Debusion like gets his

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Speaker 1: DEAs Squad training, and a year later, in nineteen eighty one,

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Speaker 1: he founds Arena, which is his own sort of Salvadorian

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Speaker 1: des Squad party. And then he he also does something

773
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Speaker 1: that puts him in a very rare category of bassard.

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Speaker 1: He kills a saint. Oh had they been sainted when

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Speaker 1: he killed them? Or getting murder or just how he

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00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: became a saint? Dope? Well, did the guy I mean

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00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: kind of did him a favor. Yeah, maybe I feel

778
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: like he would rather have been alive than a dead saint.

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Speaker 1: But well, I don't know, I don't, I don't, I

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Speaker 1: will not. I will not claim to understand the mind

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Speaker 1: of the high level Catholic clergy. I was about to say,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess not because that's like being the le

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Speaker 1: bron James. Okay, now we're just repeating, Yeah, we gotta

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Speaker 1: give you more, we gotta give you more names, see

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00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: a better talking points. I just need to watch that

786
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Speaker 1: Adam Sandler movie again with the footballs and the tall

787
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: guy and he's Spanish. It's a good movie. Should watch it.

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00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: It's a pretty good movie, Sophie. So that that that

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Speaker 1: saint is a guy you might you probably actually have

790
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: heard of. That is Archbishop Oscar Romero. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: He lived a long left but between a win did

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Speaker 1: ucon had assassinated and uh, you know spec Sherry points out,

793
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: like his assassination really looks like a condor killing, like

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Speaker 1: it has it has all of the sort of elements

795
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: of it, and you know it seen like has taken

796
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: his lesson as to heart really fast. And this whole

797
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: project that he's doing, this whole thing and we're trying

798
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: to get everyone she's been doing the sort of like

799
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: training desk squads to help him make his own desk coads.

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00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: This works incredibly well. His desk goads are trained by

801
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: Argentina and Taiwan, ventured by Mario Santava of Krone they

802
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 1: killed something like forty thou people during this story Civil War. Yeah,

803
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Speaker 1: like and for forty thod is like a kind is

804
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: a kind of low estimate. It's possible it was much.

805
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen people blame I mean, okay, so

806
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: like there's a question as to like how many people

807
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: were killed by the desk calls and how may people

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00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: were actually killed with the military. And I've seen estimates

809
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Speaker 1: are like twenty thousand people higher than this because they're

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Speaker 1: attributing like all of the people killing. It's death squad

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Speaker 1: numbers are like when people ask me how many beers

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Speaker 1: I've had at like three thirty in the morning numbers, Right,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be off by a margin and under yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're you're almost certainly you almost certainly there's more of them.

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Speaker 1: And you know, so this is uh, what will we

816
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Speaker 1: call in the trade extremely bad now, Robert, as you

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00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: well know, Ronald Reagan and his staff sold weapons to

818
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Speaker 1: a RAN to secure prisoner releases and fund Nicaraguan death squads.

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Speaker 1: But do you know who else sold weapons in questionable

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Speaker 1: arm steels to fund death squads? Our sponsors the uh

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Speaker 1: huh that's right, uh, with the we believe pandas are good,

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Speaker 1: and so is arming paramilitary groups and people people. I

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Speaker 1: I think most people think that I'm joking here. I'm

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Speaker 1: actually literally not. They actually literally did this so article

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Speaker 1: and it was seven countries death squads and seven I

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Speaker 1: think it was seven countries I've ever looked, Chris, I

827
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Speaker 1: don't like death squads being in seven countries funded by

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Speaker 1: the Yes, how you sound? Yeah? All right, here's ads

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Speaker 1: We're back. Do you like my my Chris voice? Chris, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel I feel like I feel like I feel

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Speaker 1: like my registers slightly do slightly higher than that. It is.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, the same as my Soviet voice.

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Speaker 1: I have one voice that I do for people. This

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Speaker 1: is why you're a professional. This is why I'm the professional.

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Speaker 1: This is exactly right, this is why I'm the I'm

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Speaker 1: the I'm the the leader of this junta speaking of

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Speaker 1: Runto's actually not speaking for you. I don't think. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's well, they're they're there. I guess the

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Speaker 1: Argentinian junta is gonna be involved later. But when we

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Speaker 1: left off, the US was about to get involved in

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Speaker 1: this series of incredibly sketchy arm deals with Iran and

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Speaker 1: has billah in to find dest squads. But that's what

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Speaker 1: you like to hear. Unfortunately, before we can know it's

844
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's not I mean, I guess, I guess

845
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: you could probably find people on the left or like

846
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: a Rand contrat was good because they were funding because

847
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: they were giving weapons who Iran. But then there's the

848
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: whole funding the conscious thing. So it's kind of like

849
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: it is fun. There's a lot of like when you

850
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: like look at I don't know, the the kind of

851
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: lazy left wing analysis of of the like the tanking style,

852
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: like shitty left wing analysis where like you know everyone

853
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: wants you know, they're clear set good guys and bad guys.

854
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: And when you look at the reality, which is like boy,

855
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: China and the United States wound up backing a lot

856
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: of the same militant groups during the Reagan years. It's

857
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: kind of kept happening over and over again. Weird, weird

858
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: the Reagan administration. Anyway, whatever it's it's it's a good time. Um.

859
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: But before we before we can get you further inter

860
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: Rand contract, we have to introduce the last major world

861
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: ute Communist League figure we're talking about, and also a

862
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: Rand contract co conspirator Major General John K. Sig Lab

863
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: So John K. Sig Lab is he is the most

864
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: spooked out spook whoever tortured indocent civilian. Um he boy,

865
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: there is competition for that. What wait wait too, Okay,

866
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna like I I literally can't do

867
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: his entire resume here because it would take up like

868
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: four like like the entire episode would just be me

869
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: reading his resume. Um. He starts as an OSS guy

870
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: behind Nazi lines in World War Two, and then he

871
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: gets transferred at the Pacific to teach Chinese forces guerilla

872
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: tactics against the Japanese. And would that he had died

873
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: a hero there because his next posting is as the

874
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: CIA Desk chief for China. Um somehow, And there's a

875
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: lot of his things in his career that I read

876
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: and don't make any sense to me. Um. He somehow

877
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: also was involved in uh the establishment of the Ranger

878
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: Training Center at Fort Benning. Um. He then becomes the

879
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: deputy Station chief of the CIA and South Korea during

880
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: the Korean War. And this is the thing I don't

881
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: understand it all. So he's the deputy Station chief of

882
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: the CIA, right he somehow also is commanding a combat battalion.

883
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: I have no idea how this work. Don't ask me.

884
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: It's baffling, I I I don't get it. That's a

885
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: little odd, Okay, I have no idea. Um, this guy

886
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: is just like the spook. Spook. Um here's from inside

887
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: the leaguebout what he got up to next. As commander

888
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: of the Joint Unconventional Warfare Task Force known as Max

889
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: Sog great acronym by the way, Max Sog really sing

890
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: Lab was one of the on site commanders of Operation Phoenix,

891
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: the American directed assassination and counter terror program. And Robert,

892
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: do you remember that episode that Garrison did on Eel Horse.

893
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: I do, I do, although I will tell you a

894
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: fan came up to me during one of the live

895
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: events I did recently and informed me that there's a

896
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: specific kind of um antibiotic that they give. This fan

897
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: is a horse, a horse person. Um. She told me

898
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: there's an antibiotic that they give horses that h if

899
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: you eat the meat, it will give you a horrible

900
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: cancer immediately. So yeah, that's that's gonna that's gonna limit

901
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: the number of I was going to just steal a

902
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: horse from somebody's horse farm. Um, you know, just capture

903
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: one horse and eat it. But now I feel like

904
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: I have to be careful to make sure it hasn't

905
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: been given this this antibiotic that will turn it into

906
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: cancer meat, because I mean that'll probably be a bad Yeah.

907
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, what a way to go

908
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: I ate cancer and some like this? This is this,

909
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: This is something somebody like two dies of Yeah, Chris

910
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: actively encouraging Robert to eat cancer meat so that he

911
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: can overthrow him. I was gonna make Garrison eat most

912
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: of them. This is called political warfare, Sophie. I know,

913
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: I see it happening. I'm and I'm proud. Yeah, doing

914
00:50:51,440 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: the horse meat Gladioli. Yeah, So, so remember the part

915
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: about the So the thing I remember about that that

916
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: episode about eel horse was Garrison stopping me after a

917
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: meeting and saying, Chris, have you have you ever is there?

918
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of an ancient Chinese remedy of

919
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: people sticking eels up their grasses? And the only thing

920
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: I could think of that involved East Asia and people

921
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: with eels was the thing about how uh the people

922
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: people would rape people with eels and dream of Vietnam War.

923
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, so that was this guy. That's him.

924
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: He's the guy, right deal with Eels um and and

925
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: you know this, this is this is this is this guy.

926
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: The thing he's doing Project Phoenix. Their job is specifically

927
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: to assassinate civilians. It's defined civilians who are horse sympathetic

928
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: to Dorth Vietnam. It's like North Vietnam and just killed them.

929
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: And that that that's what he's doing. Um, a bunch

930
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: of the work from Project Phoenix, which again like he's

931
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: the guy running. Um if I just way into this

932
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: Army manual, let's pass out the school the America's that's

933
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,479
Speaker 1: about like how did you terrorism and how to assassinate people?

934
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: And eventually that gets leaked there's a huge scandal, but

935
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: doesn't affect him at all. Um. He eventually goes back

936
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: to the Army at some point, and this is there.

937
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: He flips randomly back and forth between the CIA, the

938
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: Army and like the Rangers, and I don't I don't

939
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 1: know what's going on with this guy's career. It's it's

940
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: incredibly bizarre spook ship. Um. But and so he's made

941
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: the Chief of Staff of US Forces in South Korea,

942
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: but he gets like incredibly piste off that Carter wants

943
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: to pull troops out, so he like publicly denounces the president,

944
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: and Carter is just like, you can't do that, like

945
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: you're a general, you know, and so he just fires him.

946
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: But this of course makes him like incredibly popular with

947
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: the US right, and he eventually helps found a new

948
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: American chapter of the World Anti Communist League and becomes

949
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: the head of the league. Here here's the inside the league.

950
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: The New American Chapter of the United States Council for

951
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: World Freedom uh us CWF terrible acronym terrible was born

952
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: like cow cawl is a good acronym. The U s

953
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: c WF terrible zero at attend Jesus Christ, come on.

954
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: So the U s c WF was born facilitated by

955
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: a loan of nearly twenty dollars from Taiwan. But sing

956
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: Lab was able to create was a body of you

957
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: could really make money go further back then? Oh yeah, no,

958
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: like you could you could do a rand contra with

959
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: twenty dollars. Yeah, Like I mean Sophie and I recently

960
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: put twenty dollars into a series of militant endeavors and

961
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: we barely assassinated the former Prime minister. But hey, podcast

962
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: finish episodes, not even not even on that one. Nearly

963
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: got us in trouble on that one, pulled it out

964
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: though nobody. Nobody fine dodging dodging prosecution like Neo and

965
00:53:53,800 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: the Matrix. That's right, Why how do you look dodging

966
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: prosecution like shinzo Abe didn't dodge anyway. What Chris so

967
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: single Lab is able to create like a powerfum respected

968
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: body of American conservatives, the likes of which the League

969
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: had never seen before. As the USCWF grew, this new

970
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: League chapter came to include high ranking former officers of

971
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: the American Army and intelligence community. Lieutenant General Daniel O. Graham,

972
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: former director of the Defension Intelligence Agency, became its vice chairman,

973
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: while the retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Albert Kayon was

974
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: his treasurer. On the advisory board was General Lewis Walt,

975
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: former commander of Marine Corps forces in Vietnam, and Race Sleeper,

976
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: retired Air Force colonel. So there's new American chapter. Somebody

977
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: needs to do an r M song like a like

978
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: a parody of an r M song about Race Sleeper

979
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: using the r M song day Sleeper to talk about

980
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: it anyway, that that is not the r M periody.

981
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to go for that, that

982
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: sleeper day Sleeper, which is a great r M song

983
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: to get me wrong, but it would also be a

984
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: funny anyway the figure it out. Yeah, someone else do that. UM,

985
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: And you know, this is like the most fitted out

986
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: organization I've ever encountered. And UM sing Leap had already

987
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: been like a liaison to the raising Reagan administration. UM.

988
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy nine, he another CIA guy named Daniel

989
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: Grant went to Guatemala to convince Reagan to back the government.

990
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: So Reagan does, and I guess what DEA squad killings

991
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 1: immediately increase, and you know, everyone else in the Republican

992
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: Party sort of falls in line. I'm like, oh, this

993
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: is fine, and uh here here's here's what happened next.

994
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: The election of Reagan coincided with the bloodiest outbreak of

995
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: Guatemalan desquad actions in history. Almost five hundred deaths a month,

996
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: almost all attributed to the right, were being recorded by

997
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: the American were being reported by the American embassy, but

998
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: even that figure was considered low by most other monitoring groups.

999
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: Piles of mutilated corpses were being discovered every morning throughout

1000
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: the country, and a considered campaign to eliminate the centrals

1001
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: parties was underway in Guatemala City. From July June, seventy

1002
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: leaders of the Christian Democratic Party and ten officials of

1003
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: the Social Democratic Revolutionary Front. We're assassinated were most were

1004
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: murdered by gunfire from passing cars. The trademarker of the MLN.

1005
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: And this is all happening at the same time as

1006
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 1: the genocide, which Reagan is like, yeah, no, go ahead

1007
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: and do this. Um. And so Reagan's Reagan's big things

1008
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: that he wants to expand descard activity everywhere. It's primary

1009
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: target of Nicaragua. UM. And I guess we should probably

1010
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: explain why they hate Nicaragua so much. So in at

1011
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: seventy nine, the left of Sandinista's finally outs of the

1012
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: US back to Summosan dictatorship and tried to end the

1013
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: literally centuries old reign of genocidal landowning oligarchs. And this

1014
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: is that, you know, because because all of the rest

1015
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: of the Latin American worlding classes also genocidal landowning oligarchs.

1016
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: This sparks at off what we we're talking about. Yeah,

1017
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: like that, the genocide Guatemala, the massacres now Salvador. A

1018
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff was was triggered by the right wingers,

1019
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: just sort of like seeing someone else being like, hey,

1020
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you guys shouldn't have the total literally power

1021
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: of her life and death and the ability to murder

1022
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: anyone you want in order to keep your land. And

1023
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: they just they just lose it and start doing genocides.

1024
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: And another country that they turned into a war zone

1025
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: is hunters now. The man larger responsible for this, at

1026
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: least initially, was Christovo Alvarez Martinez, a School the America's

1027
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: graduate who was also trained by the Argentinian junta and

1028
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: their own sort of dirty war stuff. Um Christovo Alvarez

1029
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: Martinez is floating around the same sort of like cl

1030
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: mel Lou you as like all the other desquad guys

1031
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: who talked about UM and at that same ninety eight

1032
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: conference of the League and bueno sorry, so he asked

1033
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: and gets help for from from the Argentinian army. But

1034
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: what what what makes what makes um Gristoval average Martine

1035
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: is different from the other des Squad leaders that we've

1036
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: talked about is that, you know, because so he's absolutely

1037
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: doing des squads along the sort of Argentina and Dirtey

1038
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: war model, like right down to like like right down

1039
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: to the sort of Argentinian like triple threat of kidnapping,

1040
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: electroshocks are torture and throwing people out of helicopters. But

1041
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: he's also attempting to get training for a bunch of

1042
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: nick rock when like excellent Nicaraguan National Guard people who

1043
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 1: fled across the border in Hunduras after like losing the war.

1044
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: And this is enormously successful, like literally everyone is just

1045
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: like falling over themselves to train these people to to

1046
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: a new army. Of contrast, and in nineten eight eight one,

1047
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: he gets made the head of Hundura's armed forces, and

1048
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: this is where all the sort of threads start to converge,

1049
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 1: both both the Chileans and Argentinians help of Resmontina's training

1050
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: unit that becomes known as Battalion three six three DASH sixteen,

1051
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: which was in charge of killing quote enemies of the state.

1052
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: After Alvarez Martinez made formal of sort of secret contact

1053
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: with the conscious aside Nicaragua itself, he starts like coordinating

1054
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: intelligence with them, and the Argentinians also helped start like

1055
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: training the Army of contrast in the in the camp

1056
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: and hunduras Um. The Argenti Argentinians also started working even

1057
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: closer with the CIA, which is pretty incredible, but they

1058
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: gets closer. Um here's from predatory states. General Guillermo Suarez Mason,

1059
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: the powerful commander of Argentina's First Army Corps, was instrumental

1060
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: in the creation of the Extra Territorial Task Force or

1061
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: the GTE, a unit of Battalion six O one that

1062
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: carried out secret intelligence operations outside of Argentina. Sanchez Rissier

1063
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: said that the GTE was based in Florida with the

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00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: authorization of the CIA. Sarves, based on himself, presided over

1065
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: the Fourth Congress of the Latin American Anti Communist League

1066
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: will Anti Communist League affiliates in nineteen eighty and the

1067
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: w A, the World Anti Communist League, reportedly donated eight

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00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: million dollars to pay for the deployment of Argentine officers

1069
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: to Central America. UM. Sarves Mason fled argentina transition to

1070
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: democracy in nine and, according to one human rights organization,

1071
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: all over North arranged a false visa for him to

1072
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: enter the US. North had been discussing with him the

1073
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: formation of a continental counterinsurgency force, a concept that again

1074
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: evokes Operation Condor. So this is great. The Argentina, Argentina's

1075
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: assassination units running out of Miami. Right, Oliver North is

1076
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: giving this guy like who almost certainly would have just

1077
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: been like shot I like, yeah, enters in the US.

1078
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: You know what's fun about Oliver North now that you're

1079
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,959
Speaker 1: saying all this, is that I watched him on TV

1080
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: every night on Fox News when I was a kid. Yeah,

1081
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: big only North fans. Yeah, it's it's it's great that

1082
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: he did so many crimes and he's just still around

1083
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: today doing bad stuff. So not not not wanting to

1084
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: be left out of this des squad party. Taiwan also

1085
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: sends military advisors to train the Contrast and the Captain

1086
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: Hun Duras. It's really like everyone is there, Like the

1087
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: Moonies are there. The soldier of Fortune magazine is playing

1088
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: weapons in like lablay there and a couple of them

1089
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: it killed in the helicopter to get shot down. Yeah,

1090
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: there's a really really fun story of some Soldier of

1091
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: Fortune guys getting the fun mrked out. It's um. Also

1092
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: there's a pretty good uh song from a Canadian country

1093
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: music artists that like old student Visas that's about this period.

1094
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: Check it out. I don't know, I just I always

1095
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: just like I just like I want to imagine, like

1096
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: like just think about, like what is it like in

1097
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: these camps. It's like like bohey pok because like the

1098
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: Moon's lieutenant is like showing up there and you know

1099
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: he see like he just like sees some guy from

1100
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, he sees like some CIA guys like hey, Bob,

1101
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you since since we did the we

1102
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: did the Cocaine cou and Bolivia. It's like all every

1103
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: single person who's ever funded at ES squad it's just

1104
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: simultaneously running around these camps and it's like and you know,

1105
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: part of part of what's going on here is that

1106
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: sig Lab, like through through the sort of CIL networks

1107
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: we've been talking about that that are funding all these squads,

1108
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: like gets the Reagan administration like fully in touch with

1109
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: which which involved in trade with training these contracts as well.

1110
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: On the Reagan administration is so heavily involved in this

1111
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: stuff that Mario Salvador Alacrone literally shows up at his

1112
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: inaugural ball in nine, which is great. And the c

1113
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: meanwhile is so heavily involved in the contracy camps in

1114
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: Honduras that quoting McSherry Alvarez, who's who's the hunter and

1115
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: intelligence guy who's now having the military running this stuff,

1116
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: was so close to the CIA station chief and Honduras

1117
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: Douglas Winters that Winters asked him to be the godfather

1118
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: of his adopted child. It's incredible, and Ronald Reagan later

1119
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: awarded him the Legion of marrit three. So this is

1120
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: love love Ronald Reagan, a guy who never did anything wrong,

1121
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: and to nineteen eighty four, this was going great. And

1122
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: by going great, I mean the CIA, Argentina, Taiwan in

1123
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: the moodies are like having a great time partying in

1124
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: the jungle and like murdering communists in Honduras itself. The

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01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: Nicaraguan contras have just straight up turned into their own

1126
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: desk squads who are murdering people, you know, Okay, So

1127
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: like that there are descuad that's supposed to murther people

1128
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: in Nicaragua, right, but they're also just murdering people in Honduras.

1129
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: And then they also just like start killing people like

1130
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: in the in the the Nicaragan refugee camps in Honduras.

1131
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: So this is a good time. And back back in

1132
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: the US Congress actually does something for once ever and

1133
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: it's like Reagan, you can't give money to these guys

1134
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: who are burning children alive, which you know fairly sensible.

1135
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: Thing is so immediately everyone mob comes for the child burners. Yeah. Look, look,

1136
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: if burning and burn burning children is a is a god,

1137
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I can't remember the name of the

1138
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: thing that part of American tradition in history, it is

1139
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: American culture. Yeah, what were you not supposed to burn

1140
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: children to death? Who's since whome? Since when? That's what

1141
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: I gotta ask. Our forefathers burned children to death, there

1142
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: for death. One of these days will burn children to death.

1143
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: If we're lucky, it'll be great. So wow, Sophie noted

1144
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: anti American, you are falling down on the job. S

1145
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: Goody Pippin. Unfortunately it's a visual gag. But Robert just

1146
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,919
Speaker 1: got a towel thrown at him. It was extremely funny. Yeah.

1147
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: One of our one of our corporate mandates is that

1148
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: someone always has to be in the room with me

1149
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: to get angry when I say things that I did

1150
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: that with my mind, that was so cool. You're really

1151
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: professor Xaviered that one. That's another famous basketball player. Oh

1152
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: my god. Okay, Chris. So, as we talked about in

1153
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: our episodes with the Moodies, this is the moment that

1154
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: Reverend Moon truly becomes the father of Iran Contra by

1155
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: personally throwing money and supplies at the Honduran camp to

1156
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: like keep them in the fight when the CIA couldn't.

1157
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: And this is also where John sig Lab, like currently

1158
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: the head of the World Anti Communist League, becomes incredibly important.

1159
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: Um he starts doing the series of fundraisers all over

1160
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: the world. He like goes to hunts, he's like in

1161
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: these contract camps, he's like flying in weapons and supplies

1162
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: with the soldier fortune guy, and you know he is

1163
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: actually raising somebody from the Contras. But this whole thing

1164
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: is really a sharati And this is this is a

1165
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: key part of how it Ran Contra works because you

1166
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 1: know you have this figurehead guy who any CIA money

1167
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: can just sort of like go through, and and you

1168
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: know it looks to all the world like, oh hey,

1169
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: this guy is raising money for freedom fighters. And you know,

1170
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: as as like kind of silly as this whole thing is,

1171
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: this part of the operation is so successful that like

1172
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: no one finds out about it until like the Iran

1173
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: end of Iran contract falls apart completely and people start

1174
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: like following the money trails around, and sync Lab is

1175
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: like deeply involved in this enough that like he's like

1176
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: his liaison like to the Reagan administration, is he's just

1177
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: talking to all over North and and you know duringing

1178
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: in later investigation that there's a real attempt to go

1179
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: after his organization, the US, the United States Council for

1180
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: World Freedom, which again is the US after the World

1181
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: to Communstately, they try to go after they don't quite

1182
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: get it, but you know it's in the documents, um,

1183
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: and you know what what Well, while all of this

1184
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: is going on, UM, sig Labs like trying to do

1185
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: a rebrand of the league because it turns out that

1186
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: having a bunch of people who if you talk to

1187
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: him will immediately start screaming about Zionist communism and Jewish conspiracies.

1188
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: Is I mean, I guess now it's good for recruiting,

1189
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: but like back then it was not great for greeting people.

1190
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: And you know the goal of this is to bring

1191
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: in more mainstream conservatives. And one of the one of

1192
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: these mainstream conservatives is John McCain, who is better known

1193
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: for other work like telling a reporter quote, I hate

1194
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live. Yeah,

1195
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: he said that no one ever talks about it because

1196
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, antientation racism wasn't real until two thousand and twenty.

1197
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: It was invented by Donald Trump. Uh, it wasn't like

1198
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: the previous two people they ran before him were also

1199
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: like unbelievably fucking racist and so okay. But like that

1200
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: this whole sort of like like campaign to like clean

1201
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: the League up. Like you know, it does do one thing,

1202
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: which is that sign Lab finally kicks out the c L.

1203
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: I think it's like nineteen eighty three. He like finally

1204
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: kicks them out. But you know, all the dest squad

1205
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: people like somehow keep showing up to their meetings. The

1206
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: only people who actually get kicked out of the techos

1207
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: because they're just like two openly anti semitic. Um here's

1208
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: from inside the League about how like deeply these changes

1209
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: actually went. Still there were problems in selling this new

1210
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: and improved league, for not very much has changed. John Kosak,

1211
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: the Belarusa Nazi collaborator, remains chairman of his delegation. The

1212
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: Creation Liberation Movement. The International Eustacea Brotherhood that Anti Pavlovic

1213
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: established in Argentina in ninety six was still the official

1214
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: Croatian League chapter, as was the Bulgarian National Friends, which

1215
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: I had been formed in n seven by the Bulgarian

1216
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: Legion Legionnaires who had advocated the extermination of the nation's Jews.

1217
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: Mario Salvador a l crone, the grandfather of Central American

1218
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: death squads, was in attendance, and although Yaroslav Stetko, the

1219
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: Ukrainian premi year who had officiated over the murder of

1220
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: approximately seven thousand residents of Levov in one week in

1221
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: nineteen one, was too ill to come, his wife Slava

1222
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: was there to represent the Ukrainian Nazi collaborators. I was

1223
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: really worried for a second when he said he was

1224
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: too ill to come, but I'm glad she was able

1225
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: to make that. Yeah. Yeah, you know, this new league,

1226
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: it's exactly the same as the old leagu except the

1227
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 1: scale of operations increases right, um, alongside running around contra

1228
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: like anti communist rebelutions from across the world to start

1229
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: showing up in placing orders from weapons. Um, I'm pretty

1230
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 1: sure they give weapons to Charles Taylor, although that one

1231
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: was slightly gets Yeah, it's fun. Um. They definitely send

1232
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: weapons to a bunch of of of like right wing,

1233
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: like incredibly weird guys in Bozambique who they give like

1234
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 1: surface to air missiles, guns and bazookas. Um. And if

1235
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: you remember how we talked about how Reverend Moon backed

1236
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: pol Pot and how that aid was like mostly propaganda

1237
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: but a bit of money. So the same Cambodian soldiers

1238
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: allied with pull Pot like come to the League and

1239
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: the League just like gives him a bunch of guns

1240
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: and weapons. So they're they're they're funding they're funding pull Pot.

1241
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: The League is also like constantly raising money from the

1242
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: bujer Hitdi in Afghanistan, where sig Lab also winds up

1243
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: doing like liaison and for the CIA. And it really

1244
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: looks like this whole thing is sort of just accelerating

1245
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: into it. By the way, quick note, because this can't

1246
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,560
Speaker 1: be referenced enough. Everybody likes to say, oh when we

1247
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: armed the Mujia Hittie, and we were just giving weapons

1248
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: to the Taliban. No, we were giving weapons to the

1249
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: people who molested children on such a grand scale that

1250
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: it allowed for the takeover of of Afghanistan by the Taliban.

1251
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: Get it right, folks, Yeah, that was the Pakistani's yes, yes, yeah,

1252
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: well yeah, so yeah, you know, it looks like like,

1253
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, it looks like this whole thing is accelerating

1254
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: into like a new, even more bloody phase of the

1255
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: Cold War. And you know that this is what the

1256
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: the authors of his and also decide the League writing

1257
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 1: this nine, and you know, this is what this what

1258
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: they think it's gonna happen. You know, the League's gonna

1259
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: play an even more central role in the Cold War.

1260
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: And then they won the sovietning withdrew from Afghanistan. The

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Speaker 1: collapse the CID At East has felt the Mozambique bat

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Speaker 1: In Marxist Leninism. Vietnam, which was already on its way

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Speaker 1: to become a capitalist market economy, with drew from Cambodia,

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Speaker 1: which is also now a capitalist market economy. The Vietnam's

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Speaker 1: Glorious People's Security Forces regularly trained with American police officers,

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Speaker 1: from a variety of states, including yeah, and also I yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm about sure they get trauma. The Israelis too, because

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Speaker 1: it's yeah, I mean honestly yeah. Um who doesn't am

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Speaker 1: I right? Um? So it's it's all good. I do

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Speaker 1: want to make one quick note, which is that Mozambique

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Speaker 1: is my favorite country in terms of like the word

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Speaker 1: for people who come from that country, because I find

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Speaker 1: saying Mozambican to be incredibly satisfying. Spelling it's even better.

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Speaker 1: I love that word. I don't know why, it just

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Speaker 1: feels it. Try it. Try it for yourself. Spell Mozambican.

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Speaker 1: I cannot feel good. It's easier to spell Mozambican than

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Speaker 1: it is mozambiquecause you know that weird fucking Q in there.

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Speaker 1: Check it out. People spell mozambecon improve your day. That's

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Speaker 1: not a joke, that's just a real thing. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: the guys who assassinate Yugoslavia ambassadors lived long enough to

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Speaker 1: see Yugoslavia fall. The the small guerrilla groups that were

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Speaker 1: in Guatemalo, El Salvador, and Honduras all exterminated. The government

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Speaker 1: that comes after Pinochet private privatizes even more state owned companies,

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Speaker 1: that Pinochet did. Reverend Moon opens a card company in

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Speaker 1: North Korea. China is now the world's second largest capitalist

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Speaker 1: economy and like even Cuba has special economic zones. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: adrift in this sort of new world of their own creation,

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Speaker 1: the League changes its name to the World League for

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Speaker 1: Freedom and Democracy, but the organization is a rump of

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Speaker 1: its former self. But it's still mes in Taiwan, even

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Speaker 1: though Taiwan like overthrew the CAMT but you know, it's

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Speaker 1: still meets there. But again, like the like you know,

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Speaker 1: the even time one were like the the cam T

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Speaker 1: s like miilter your kidship felts like while they're still

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Speaker 1: a capitalist economy, and that's because we live in their

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Speaker 1: world now. We we live in the world where all

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Speaker 1: of these people, all of these fucking Nazis, got everything

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Speaker 1: that they ever wanted. And it sucks ass and it's

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Speaker 1: going to stay that way. It's going to stay that

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Speaker 1: way unless m hm al right, Well here's the thing, folks,

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Speaker 1: you know how to stop this from happening. Shoot all

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Speaker 1: of the Nazis. Would you win the war that hiring

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Speaker 1: the Nazis when the same lesson with Confederates, Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the real the lesson there's there's the lesson from World

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Speaker 1: War Two and the lesson from the US Civil War

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Speaker 1: is the same, which is, when you beat a bunch

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Speaker 1: of racists in a war, kill a lot more of

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Speaker 1: them than you think you're gonna need to. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: wanna kill as many of them because we're gonna forgive

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Speaker 1: and move on. Now, kill a funkload more of them.

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Speaker 1: Like everybody sit down right after you when the worst

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Speaker 1: sit down? What is this fucking voice you keep doing?

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Speaker 1: It's so bizarre. What it's my voice that I do

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Speaker 1: when I'm being other people? It's like zombie Mickey Mouse.

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Speaker 1: I'm sophied. I don't like Robert's voices. Who la doo

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Speaker 1: la do? That's how you sound with another I know

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Speaker 1: I did. That's my mom again. What's really key is

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Speaker 1: after you say whatever you're saying in the fake voice

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Speaker 1: for the person, then you got to say who doola do? Mhm. Anyway, Well,

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Speaker 1: this was a great episode, Chris Um. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: writing it and for allowing me to have a vacation

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Speaker 1: where I went and shot machine guns in the desert.

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Speaker 1: Um that was necessary at home, for listening to the

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Speaker 1: podcasts that we make and until next time. Remember I

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Speaker 1: am the Jesus Christ of podcasting. How's that, Sophie. We're good,

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Speaker 1: You're fired. I've really been on one today it's really

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Speaker 1: been wild, and today I don't know what's what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Vacation Robert having a vacation. I'm on a pretty heavy

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Speaker 1: dose to create. I'm going to be honest with you here.

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Speaker 1: Um it's good stuff. It's good stuff. Anyways, all I

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Speaker 1: ever wanted vacation? Does vacation Robert? No, Yes, vacation Robert

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Speaker 1: has the book to plug? What what? What book is

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Speaker 1: vacation Robert plugging? That's a great question, Sophie. Scholars debate

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Speaker 1: what book I wrote, but a lot of them seem

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Speaker 1: to believe that it's called after the Revelue Ocean. And

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Speaker 1: then you can find it if you if you google

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Speaker 1: a k Press after the revolution, or if you go

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Speaker 1: to the thing that I'm looking up by trying to

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Speaker 1: find where it is on our subreddit because somebody said

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Speaker 1: that I should plug these guys and they were right. Um,

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Speaker 1: you can get it everywhere, like all of the places

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Speaker 1: that that books are sold. So if you're somewhere in

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Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, you can you can have the

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Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos ship get them, or you can look it

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Speaker 1: up on buck I'm having to scroll quite a bit,

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Speaker 1: you can what a what a massive failure for me. Well,

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Speaker 1: while you do that, I'm gonna plug our our good

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Speaker 1: friend Props new cold Brew terra Form cold brew dot com.

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Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, definitely checked that ship out. It's gorgeous

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Speaker 1: and uh and listen to hood Politics and stream Props

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Speaker 1: music and follow prop. This has just turned into like

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Speaker 1: a huge prop plug. I think it's bookshop dot org. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: go to bookshop dot org. You can find my book there.

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Speaker 1: You can probably find PROPS book there. Let me look

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Speaker 1: it up. Let me look at Props book on book

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Speaker 1: Bookshop dot Also look Terraform on bookshop dot org, which

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Speaker 1: connects you to indie bookstores. Boy, there's actually yes, PROPS

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Speaker 1: book is on there, along with the book Terraforming Mars

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Speaker 1: by some guy I've never heard of terra Form and

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Speaker 1: Action by Scott Winkler, which has what looks like an

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Speaker 1: Ottoman janissary on the front. Not really sure what's going

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Speaker 1: on there anyway, A bunch of weird books, go check

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Speaker 1: them out. Behind the Bastards is a production of cool

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Speaker 1: Zone Media. For more from cool zone Media, visit our

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Speaker 1: website cool zone media dot com, or check us out

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.