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Speaker 1: and you rate. Let's get to the NBA Finals. Start

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Speaker 1: with Kevin Durant and his Achilles tendon. I'm gonna read

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Speaker 1: for you something that was sent to me by a

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Speaker 1: the guy who kicked him. Everyone who tears their achilles

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app. Now, in regards to the Finals,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was amazing that that game was amazing.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant showed his value, his toughness, how he changes

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Speaker 1: the matchups in an entire series, and then he goes

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Speaker 1: situation best. So it's easy for us to kind of

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Speaker 1: from the outside look at all these points. I think

428
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,719
Speaker 1: it's hard to call a time out, you know, when

429
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: you're on such a great run. Um, you know, but

430
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: again it's it's one of those things you make a decision,

431
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 1: you try to make that decision work to the best

432
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: of its abilities. And you know, I think, rather than

433
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 1: look at the time out situation, what about the defensive

434
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 1: coverage where they gave up the open threes down at

435
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: the other end. You know, I think that this is

436
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 1: this is where the focus really should be for those

437
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 1: last two minutes. UM. But you know, for me, I

438
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 1: think it's when you're on those runs, you want to

439
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: try to extend those runs as long as you can,

440
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,479
Speaker 1: you know. So that's why that was the reasoning. Then

441
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: would be okay next time. I think if Nick is

442
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: in that situation again, I really doubt he called the

443
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: time out, he tries to extend the run as long

444
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: as he possibly can. Um. But what did that show you?

445
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: And shows you how much the Rappers are really relying

446
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: on Kawhi Leonard and how much he's carrying that team,

447
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: you know, so um yeah, it's really made for interesting storyline.

448
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: And like I said, for me, you know, I'd like

449
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: to see the Raptors get a win and uh and

450
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 1: have it all go away. What what about Nick? Uh?

451
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: Having worked with him, Um, should people understand about why

452
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: he's been successful because you know they did. They won.

453
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: I think they won the G League in Iowa with

454
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: the energy when he was there, and obviously, um and

455
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: and look some of the stuff that he did when

456
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 1: he first got to Toronto, the ball movement stuff that

457
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: they put in. They've actually kind of gone a little

458
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: bit away from now because you have Kauai and so

459
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: you can kind of play off of his dominance and

460
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: spread the floor. But having worked with him and knowing

461
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: him and watching him, what as a coach coach to coach,

462
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: do you go like, Wow, he does that. That's really good.

463
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 1: He does this better than other people. So I think

464
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: he does a great job understanding, you know, the people

465
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: that he's with. I think he does a really good

466
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: job of, uh, really creating a clear picture for everybody,

467
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: keeping things simple, um and and really in a fundamental way,

468
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: organizing the game plan and helping people understand like, hey,

469
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: this is what we're trying to do. I think what

470
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: you're seeing here with his defensive game plans, even though

471
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 1: he's got an offensive reputation from from what he's done

472
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: in Toronto, I think he's done a great job with

473
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: the defensive game plans in in the finals, Uh, and

474
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: he's afraid to to try new things. He's not afraid

475
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: to try different things. You know, we've seen the box

476
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: in one. Uh. So I think Nick has a really

477
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: good feeling for coaching. He's got a very good personality

478
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 1: for coaching. UM. And you know it's it's like, you know,

479
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: you see guys who are naturally good at something. I

480
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: think Nick is naturally good at coaching. Uh. And and

481
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: he does many many He has many of the character

482
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: traits in terms of that leadership, in terms of the position.

483
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: So um. You know, you could see a lot of

484
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: this stuff back when he was in in Britain and

485
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,959
Speaker 1: with the Brighton Bears during that time they also had

486
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: an excellent run and a lot of success. Obviously coming

487
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: back to to the D League then the G League.

488
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: Now you know what what he did, um, And I

489
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: think what he does is he gets finds a way

490
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: to get that team to really click and maximize themselves

491
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: and when they get on these runs. Uh. You know,

492
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: He's been able to put a lot of these teams

493
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: on these runs. And the Raptors are on one right now.

494
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: That would be fantastic if they could get to the

495
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: championship and win it. Um. Okay, so you you played

496
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: it Indiana University, but I you it's it's in Pennsylvania.

497
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: And yes, the other one, the the the other one.

498
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: How dare you call yourself Indiana when you're not actually Indiana?

499
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: Who'd you play for? I played for coach named Kurk Kanaski,

500
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: who has been an excellent college coach. Yeah. So Kurt

501
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: was a big influence for me. And um, you know

502
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: now he's an assistant at air Force and where you

503
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: know he's Uh. I really learned a lot from him,

504
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: really organized business, like, ran a program. Um, and he's

505
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: been one of those guys that you know, was a

506
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: drake for a while penn State has been in a

507
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: couple of different stops, but just one of the good

508
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: guys in the game. So when how good are you

509
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: guys when you're when you were there? So my, my,

510
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: you know we were we ID like to say we

511
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: kind of put I up basketball to the next level. Um.

512
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: You know my first and second year, freshman and sophomore

513
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: year we were let's say average, made the made the

514
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 1: conference playoffs. Um. My junior year we we got up

515
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: to them but one in the nation Division two. Uh.

516
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: We finished the season. Um, you know, twenty seven and three,

517
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,239
Speaker 1: and then the next year we went twenty nine and two.

518
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: We were number one team in the country, you know,

519
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: wire to wire. UM made the Elite eight my junior

520
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: and senior years. So, you know, just really really great

521
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: college career. I was a program guy, not a great player. UM,

522
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: you know, made made my you know, Marco, just in

523
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: terms of leadership as a three year captain and um

524
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: just being a team guy. So from those standpoints, Uh,

525
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: great college career, great experience, and I think those guys

526
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: would tell you, hey, we knew this guy was gonna

527
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: be a coach, you know, uh, following his father's footsteps.

528
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: So really happy to turn out that way. Yeah, you

529
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 1: talk about I'll talk about your dad. So you know,

530
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: my dad was, UM was a high school coach before

531
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: I was alive, and then a college assistant mostly before

532
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: I was alive, and then he was a college head

533
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: coach and I was born at w Milwaukee and then um,

534
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: they I think they got fired because they went Division three.

535
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: And then he became an assistant coach at Long Beach

536
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: State and that was the last really in terms of

537
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: his college experience. And so I wasn't around the the

538
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, you grow everybody grows up in a coach's household,

539
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: the coach's background. Yum. I wasn't necessarily around a program

540
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: growing up, even though we had a travel team program

541
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: and he was coaching some minor league stuff and he was,

542
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, doing the NBA Summer League back when it

543
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: was at Loyal Merrymount. What was your childhood like in

544
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: a in a basketball household, you know, Doug, That's one

545
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: of the best memories that that I have is so

546
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: my dad was the first, you know, before I was born.

547
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: He was with Bob Knight at West Point and then

548
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: he was a head coach at lock Haven Division two

549
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania when I was born. You know, I of

550
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: course don't remember those young memories. Then he was an

551
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: assistant for Willis Read with the Nicks and at Creighton University,

552
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: and that's where I start to you know, really remember

553
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: being around the teams and being around the guys. Most

554
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: of it when when he went to Clarion University of

555
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: Sylvania most famous alumnized John Calipari. Uh So we were

556
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: in Clarion and that was for you know, my basically

557
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: high school years, you know, elementary school, high school years.

558
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: So I remember, you know, being the ball boy, sitting

559
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: on the end of the bench eating popcorn with the guys,

560
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: not getting into the game. Um, you know, going to

561
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: his practices at the gym, and kind of being around

562
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: my dad, taking me, you know, on a trip with

563
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: the team, scout a game, scout an opponent, um, you know.

564
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: And you know then you know, most of the people

565
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: in western Pennsylvania that you'll have day off for like

566
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: dear day, you know, hunting and everything. And I'm not

567
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: much of an outdoors and like that, so we would

568
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: go in the gym and we get our basketball workouts

569
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: in and spend time like this, so, you know, just

570
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: being around sports and growing up with my dad's teams

571
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: and and just talking basketball with him. Like my dad

572
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: has always been my biggest role model, my biggest example,

573
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: and you know, I feel like he's really helped prepare

574
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: me in terms of coaching, not just of than owls

575
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: and things like this, but in terms of communicating with people,

576
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: how you how you you know, lead a team, how

577
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: you handle situations. So from a young age, I was

578
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: around this, you know, uh, and and these were topics

579
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: of discussion all the time. My brother also had a

580
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: really good high school career and played in college a

581
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: little bit, so you know, basketball and sports where it

582
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: was a classic coaches family, you know. So yeah, he

583
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: also didn't your dad didn't your dad have to get

584
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: his doctorate to like he wasn't Like yeah, I mean,

585
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: like I remember reading that your dad had his doctorate

586
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: UM as well. He was a Syracuse He went to

587
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: Syracuse and then UM and then and then he got

588
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: like to get coaches are so different now, like there's

589
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: there's always still the love of basketball and the love

590
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: of not just the game but also the kids. And

591
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: I do think that you know your players, that that

592
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: gets overshadowed because because at the at the highest level

593
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: there's there's a bottom line to it. But like they're

594
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: used to be more of a teacher, teaching element to it,

595
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: an education element to it, and all of the coaches,

596
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, coaches now a lot of mother master's degree.

597
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: But the idea that your dad would have a doctor degree,

598
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: right and um he also uh he was doing he

599
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: was doing some certification program I remember I read about

600
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: a long time ago as well, right, like at the

601
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: end of his at the end of his career, like

602
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: this is he was an interesting dude. Yeah, So you know,

603
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, Doug, the interesting thing was during during his

604
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: coaching career, it was still the era of the teacher coach.

605
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: So he was coaching Division to college basketball and he

606
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: was teaching classes in the health and physical education department.

607
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: You know, he got his doctor from Springfield College in Massachusetts,

608
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: and you know, this was this is kind of the

609
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: model of that era of coach. And into the late

610
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: eighties it changed and it became Division two full time coaches.

611
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: So this was about the time where he stepped away.

612
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: He kept his his his teaching tenure at Clarion University, uh,

613
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: and he added and kind of created this whole coaching

614
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: certification program. Um. So he really impacted a lot of

615
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: local you know kids that came to Clarion in health, physical,

616
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: physical education and they got this coach of certification and

617
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: went into coach you know, football, soccer, uh, softball, baseball,

618
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: all all different coach in all different sports. So, you know,

619
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: this whole transition of him going into coaching as a

620
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: as a teacher coach and then the job changed. You know,

621
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: he kind of just said, Hey, I'm going to spend

622
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: time with my family. I'm gonna you know, just focus

623
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: on my teaching and really, uh he kept kind of

624
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: that coaching interest by developing that certification program for Clarion.

625
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: It's it's it's definitely a unique story. Uh and I

626
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: think it's it's helped a lot of people over the years. Yeah,

627
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: it's funny. My dad actually got his master's I thinking

628
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: I might have been a business but I think it's

629
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: in Pe from Colombia. Like like he's got an he

630
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: had an Ivy League master's degree, but like in physical education.

631
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: But back you know, back then, like you needed a

632
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: legit master's degree and then he was like coaching high

633
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: school basketball with a Columbia master's degree was just you know,

634
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: it's such a such an incredibly different world now, yeah,

635
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure. Okay, So so you start by coaching,

636
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: you're you're all the matter first, and then you went

637
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: to Clarion and then you went to Clarion right for

638
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: a year or two. So I went to Clarion to

639
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: get my as a graduate assistant. I worked under under

640
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: Ron Ryder there, who was a longtime coach. Um you

641
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: know he was he was really a good person, good coach.

642
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: Helped me get my foot in the door. Uh So

643
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: I got my Masters in communication. I was there at

644
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: Clarion for two years. It was great, you know, still

645
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: being around my dad and being in the town I

646
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: went to high school, so I had a lot of

647
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: friends and everything. What was it great? Though, Like you're

648
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: you're coming back and you'd you know, gone to a

649
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: different school and you'd like come back, Like was it

650
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: was it good to be back? Or what is that? Yeah?

651
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: I mean I was really happy about it because I

652
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: was I had a chance to be around the family

653
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: and had a chance to be you know, uh doing

654
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. Um, So you're talking about

655
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: small college town, western Pennsylvania, So that was good. I

656
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: had so many great memories from my dad's coaching time

657
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: at Clarion, growing up around the Pennsylvania Conference and and

658
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: things like this, so you know, those those memories were

659
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: kind of the main thing. You know. After two years,

660
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: I got the chance to go back to i U

661
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: P as an assistant and worked there for Gary Edwards

662
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: for for three seasons and we made a return trip

663
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: to the Elite eight in two thousand and then after

664
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: those three years another successful run. You know, I got

665
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: a chance to go to Pittsburgh State in Kansas and

666
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: worked for Gene Iva, who was the nephew of Henry Iva. Um,

667
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: and for that time it was you know, uh, my

668
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: whole focus was I want to be like my dad.

669
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: I want to be a college coach. I want to

670
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: work my way up college coaching. You know. During these summers,

671
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: I would work camps all over the summer, and I

672
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: tried to meet people. I tried to target coaches that

673
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: I want to learn from. Okay, I want to learn

674
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: to press. I want to go spend time with Billy

675
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: Donovan at Florida. I want to you know, Uh, I

676
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: wanted to be around film Martelly. I wanted to be

677
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: around Dave Bliss at the time in in New Mexico

678
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: before all of his problems. Um. You know, obviously coach

679
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: k at Duke, and so I just picked up, you know,

680
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: programs all over the country and tried to get around

681
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: great coaches and uh. And during that time, I was

682
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: at Don Myers coaching Academy at Lipscombe and I met

683
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: a guy named Aaron Christian and that actually was the

684
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: connection that kind of started me overseas. So at the time,

685
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: it was all college basketball until the opportunity came to

686
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: get overseas, and from that point forward it was like

687
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I'll go over for a year and

688
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: come back and you know I'm still over there. Okay,

689
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: so your your first one was was was Germany though,

690
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: wasn't it? Yeah? I went to a third division team

691
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: in Kemnets, Germany and um h, Kemnist Germany. And I

692
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: have actually have looked this up, right, it's uh is

693
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: that the is that the Austrian border that's over close

694
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: to So it's actually closer towards Czech Republic. Uh, it's

695
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: forty kilometers from the Czech Republic border, but in that region. Yes, okay, wait, wait,

696
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: well I'm doing the kilometers thing and the like you

697
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: do you actually when you're in the States, do you

698
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: still do kilometers or do you do miles on miles?

699
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: And you know when people tell me, hey, this guy's

700
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: two oh six and centimeters, you know I still have

701
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: to figure out like okay, I got sick nine sick

702
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: you know like that that's still working those those American

703
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: file numbers for sure. Okay, so this is like two

704
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: thousand one, two thousand two, right, you you go to

705
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: chemins Cheminets, Germany, you get this third division, Like, what

706
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: what is you land? You couldn't been making much money, right,

707
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: I mean you first day we to the Okay, there's

708
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: a there's a job. Did you just pick up the

709
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: phone and call? Like? How did it? How did it

710
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: take place? Yeah? So I didn't know much about the job.

711
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know much about the situation. I just knew

712
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a head coach, and I thought like, oh,

713
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 1: I'll go overseas for one year, be a head coach,

714
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: get some you know, international networking done, and come back

715
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: to college. So I really knew nothing about the job

716
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: going in my friend Aaron Christian who was from Portland, Oregon.

717
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: His he was an assistant coach for Brad Barberick at

718
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: Evergreen State. And this this coach, Barberik had recommended the

719
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: coach that was that cabinet that year, a guy named

720
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: Kobe Matteney who wanted to go back home to San Diego. Uh,

721
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: And they offered the job to my friend Aaron. But

722
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: Aaron also had an offer to go to the University

723
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: of Portland as the director of basketball operations. Well, him

724
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: and his wife are from Portland, so he said, Hey,

725
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to go here. Aaron knew that I was

726
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: interested in overseas stuff and had coached some overseas travel

727
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: teams and things, and he's like, hey, would you be

728
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: interested in it? So I jumped at it. And like

729
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: you say, when you land, you know, this is you

730
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: know and what almost twenty years ago you're in East Germany, Um,

731
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: and life is different. So the culture shock in the

732
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: first four four months or so, it was difficult. UM,

733
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: but you know, like like I like to say to people,

734
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: we we made it our NBA. We we turned it

735
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: into our NBA. We made it really important with you know,

736
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: like the saying Frosty Westerland, you make the big time

737
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: where you are. This is really what we tried to

738
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: do with it. UM. And I was still to this

739
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: day have so many wonderful memories of that let's say,

740
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: low level overseas style of basketball in terms of you're

741
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: hopping the vans, you drive six hours, you play a game.

742
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: You know, you go to McDonald's or burger King, you

743
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: ride back all night and you know then, Um, some

744
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: of the guys were full time pro some of the

745
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: guys are part time. A couple of guys are students

746
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: who're just piecing it all together. So so it was

747
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: really a great learning experience. I got a chance to coach.

748
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: I got a chance to you know, make some mistakes

749
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: and learn and grow and develop and um really really

750
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: look back fondly with a lot of happy memories from

751
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: those times. You know what's funny is there they're a

752
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: pro a team now, right. They've like they've you've not

753
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: only grown up, they've grown up. Yeah. So you know

754
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: the funny thing is this year, a couple of months ago,

755
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: like they had a great season. They led our like

756
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: we were in the league. You know, they led our

757
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: our league all year as the top team, and you know,

758
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: we had also high expectations. Both organizations had the same

759
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: goal to move up to the bundess League, the top

760
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: league in Germany with the promotion relegation system. Uh. And

761
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: we played a five game series with them, and you know,

762
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: I think that people had the impression that they were

763
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: going to win it after they won game three, and

764
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: we ended up winning game four at home and at fourth,

765
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: Game five on the road, and we actually won inceminets

766
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: to have our let's says, which is promotion into the

767
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: first league. So you know, I had a part of

768
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: moving Cheminets up into the top into the second division,

769
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: and then now they were planning to move up to

770
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: the first league. But you know, we were the team

771
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: that got it done this year. So so you guys

772
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: only finishing you guys finished in fourth place, but you

773
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: end up getting yet got promote Ocean and uh, you

774
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: had bow Beach who I called a couple of games

775
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: at Gulf Coast who can dead dude can shoot the

776
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: basketball right, straight up shoot. And then you had Drew

777
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: barm Right. Yes, yes, we had a great bunch of

778
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: guys on the team. It was so much fun the team.

779
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: We know, the team did a great job handling high expectations.

780
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: Hamburg is is a team that has so much potential,

781
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: big city. Uh. And it's really young organization, it's five

782
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: years old. There's really good people involved with it. Marvin

783
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: Willoughby many people you know. Marvin's a former German national

784
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: team player, former professional He came up with holgerger Schwinner,

785
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: playing with Dirk Navitsky, very close friends with Dirk um.

786
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: So the basketball potential in Hamburg is great and and

787
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: it's really a great story. But I think, you know,

788
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: like when I signed there, the expectations were Okay, these

789
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: guys are going to move up. Um, and for our

790
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: team to manage those expectations, you know, go into the

791
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: playoffs in the fourth place, which was definitely under performing

792
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: for us, disappointing. Uh. And then you know, to get

793
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: it done in the playoffs when it mattered to most

794
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm really really proud of these guys, but

795
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: guys like bo, guys like Drew, many of the other

796
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: players on the team. It was just a really a

797
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: fun season to work with these guys and really enjoyed it. Stylistically,

798
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: does it look more like the more like college basketball? Uh?

799
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't fall back on more kind of traditional European style.

800
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: What does German professional pro a basketball look like? Oh? So,

801
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: I think what you have is some good players. Um.

802
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's a high level. At the

803
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 1: level actually surprised me. Um, you know, as to really

804
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: how competitive and how good it was. You have some

805
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: young talented players. I think you have some inexperience in

806
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: experience as a factor, so it's difficult for the players

807
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: to be consistent game to game. Um, But there's definitely

808
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: some talent in the league. So, you know, I think

809
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: that that are our team was competitive. We can be

810
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: competitive the bottom level of the Bundest League and and

811
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: you know we'll have our chance to show this year,

812
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: you know what we were all about. But um, I

813
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: would not I would say the German pro A is

814
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: maybe behind if you rank France pro b uh and

815
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: if you say Italy Syria, you know, the second division

816
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: in Italy maybe Turkey Division two. You know, because of

817
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: the money in those leagues. But it's it's really a

818
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: well run league. It's a well organized league. Um and

819
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: I think it's it's pretty quality. I would say just

820
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: a big difference between the Bundest League and the pro

821
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: A is the inexperience of the players. You know, you've

822
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: got a lot of young guys and then you have

823
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: just because of that, some you know, consistency, a lot

824
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: of ups and downs throughout the season with the players. UM. Okay,

825
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: So now you're coaching the Polish national team. What is

826
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: that like, like do you? Um? And I know, as

827
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 1: you pointed out when we started, there are things during

828
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: the regular season or during in middle of the year

829
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: where you guys still kind of get together. How involved

830
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: are you in terms of player selection and the team? Like,

831
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: how does that how does that all work, you know, Doug.

832
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: The key to doing both jobs well, you know, for

833
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: so we achieved our big dreams and both with with

834
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: Poland getting to the World Cup, first World Cup in

835
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: fifty two years, the second in Polish history, and then

836
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: with with Hamburg going there to move the team up,

837
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: you know and reach the bundes League. You don't do

838
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: that without good people to help and good people around.

839
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: So I think the key for us in both situations

840
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: we've got good people to support. UM. There's at least

841
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: one key guy for for my work in Poland and

842
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: one key guy in Hamburg that I'm able to really

843
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: trust and count on and rely on. UM. With Poland,

844
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, we've had a staff that's been basically together

845
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: for six years the entire run, so it's like clockwork. UM.

846
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: You know, I work closely with the technical director in

847
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: terms of building the team. We're going to have a team.

848
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: Who are we bringing in UM and all these things.

849
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: So the great thing about the Polish national team job

850
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: has been, you know, like it's it's a it's a

851
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: really supported position. You know, you can get the type

852
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: of assistance and the type of staff you want. You

853
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: can get the type of players you want. You know

854
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: you can if you have a vision of I want

855
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: training camp to look like this. You know, people really

856
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: work hard to try to help you do it. People

857
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: have pride uh and they want the country's basketball to

858
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: be successful. So the supports has been fantastic for my

859
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: six years. Um. And like I said, you know, when

860
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: when you're together with for with a group with a

861
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: team for that amount of time, the most important are

862
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: The special thing to me is the best thing is

863
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: that these players, you know, some of the names like

864
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: like Luca's coach hard out of a chance to give

865
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: a test, Panika, all the guys, they'll be remembered in

866
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: Poland as as doing something big, something special for basketball

867
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: in their in their careers. So this is this is

868
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: what I'm really happy about, you know. Uh and thankful

869
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: for with with Poland. Um. Do you speak Polish? I

870
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: speak German. Um. You know I've been in Poland for

871
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: six years. Uh, lived there, you know for most of

872
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: two of those years in Warsaw um. And it's a

873
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: great culture. You know, it's been really a lot of fun.

874
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: My wife loved it, um. But you know, I'm not

875
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: great with languages. It took me a long time to

876
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: try to learn German, and you know, people say I

877
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: speak Deuts like funny German. You know, it's kind of

878
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: a mix between German and English. So uh, that's kind

879
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: of like, you know, like I talked to myself like

880
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 1: it's an investment with Polish. It's a difficult language, different,

881
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: you know what. You know, it's it's something that I

882
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: haven't So you just coach. So you just coaching English.

883
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: So you just coaching English. Yeah. One of the one

884
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: of the funny stories was the first time I got there. Uh,

885
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: we're introducing our system and we've got you know, NBA

886
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: terminology and all these different things, and it's new for

887
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: the guy and they're interested in it. But one guy,

888
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: I won't say any names, he couldn't speak very good

889
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: English at the time. So we were talking about on defense.

890
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: You know, hey, you're guarding a guy in the corner.

891
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: You want to communicate to your teammate corner fille, corner fille.

892
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: So you know, the guys pick it up. We go

893
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: through our defensive work and then this same guy is

894
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: running the court offensively, right, he's running and trench and

895
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: then he's into the corner to spot it and He's

896
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: yelling her Phil corner, fille corner fill. So we were

897
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: laughing about it. Like you know, from there's definitely uh,

898
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, you coach in English, but there's always gonna

899
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: be some situations to come up like that. Yeah, there's

900
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: there's nuance that that that no one you don't understand

901
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: unless you truly know kind of the language. And it's

902
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: a it's a really really really hard one. Um. Yeah,

903
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you guys qualified for the World Cup.

904
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: To those like we don't, We're just so arrogant as Americans, right, Like,

905
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: it's just a foregone conclusion. We're gonna play and whatever

906
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: is the tournament, we're gonna play and we're gonna be

907
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: expected to win in it. Um. What was the wildest

908
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: game that you had in terms of either location, crowd,

909
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: or just circumstance in in in your road to qualifying

910
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: for the Cup. Well, oh, there's there's been a lot.

911
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: You know, We've played in Lithuania, we've played in Italy.

912
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: I think the game that really kind of started the

913
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: show sparks for us was when we played in Italy.

914
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: We were in Bologna, um and you know, we were

915
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: three and three at the time. I think we were,

916
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, just struggling to stay afloat, and uh, they

917
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: had their team was stacked. You know that you're talking

918
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: about Nico Melly, You're talking about Tom, You're talking about

919
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, they had Jeff Brooks as a as a

920
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: an American you know, passport player. So this is the

921
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: best that Italy could be. And and you know, I

922
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: think they felt like, oh, we're gonna smash these guys.

923
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: You know, our guys showed up and it was really

924
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: just a great offensive game. Uh A j slaughter are

925
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: our passport player shot the lights out. We had a

926
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: bunch of guys, say, a bunch of big shots, and

927
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: you could just see the players get self confidence in themselves.

928
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: So we ended up losing the game, but it's time

929
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: to turn. And from that point we won five straight games.

930
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: You know, we we upset Croatia twice. Um, you know,

931
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: we upset Italy at home, uh and and we put

932
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: ourselves in position to qualify for for the World Cup.

933
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: So really a historical achievement for for the team and

934
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: for Polish basketball. And I hope that it can grow

935
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: the game in Poland. I hope it can be that

936
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: big result that gets kids interested in playing basketball, and

937
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, the Olympic Committee and Minister of Sports and

938
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: everybody starts to really put money into the game in

939
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: Poland and and everything can take the next step forward. Okay,

940
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: so then what's your what's your schedule like in terms

941
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: of the summer. So we'll start the interesting thing, like

942
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned, sometimes the national team is in season and

943
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: sometimes it's out seat. You know, my six years, there's

944
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: been two specific types of build up. You know, you've

945
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: had the way it's going to be this summer with

946
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: a training camp and then you know, you have a

947
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: two week training camp that will start for us, you know,

948
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: late July this year, and then we'll play you know,

949
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: maybe ten preparation games. What we like to do is

950
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 1: play you know, uh tough tournaments away and then play

951
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: a home game with you know that's like a winnable game,

952
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: so you can kind of show off the team to

953
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: to the to the country and everything. Um, so this

954
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,959
Speaker 1: this way it will be this summer. Well, so who's

955
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: the Sisters of the poor. That's who's the Sisters of

956
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: the poor that's coming to take d L Like, what

957
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: what country do you call up? You're like, yeah, we

958
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: need somebody who can come and get a beating on,

959
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: like who who is that? Uh? You know, I don't

960
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: want to call anybody out, you know what I mean?

961
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: But you know there's there's do you think they're downloading

962
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: the pods somewhere in the Czech Republic where used to

963
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: like that Taylor, he's talking smack. Now I want to

964
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: respect them. Uh, you know, I think that they're teams

965
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: that did not qualify for uh euro Basket, and there's

966
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: teams that were closer to do it and teams that

967
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: were not so close. I'm sorry for the World Cup

968
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: and these teams will call there in the qualifications for

969
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,959
Speaker 1: euro Basket this year. So those would be the teams

970
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: that we choose that Like I say, you know, um,

971
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: we want to put together a team that has qualified

972
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: for a wold up and maybe you choose from those

973
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: guys that that really didn't make it. Try to play

974
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: against some of that. Um. But it's the great thing

975
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: about the World Cup this year is going to be

976
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: the different styles from all over the world. You know,

977
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: in our group in Beijing, we've got Venezuela, we've got

978
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: China the hosts, and we've got Ivory Coast from Africa.

979
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: So even in that first round, it's it's gonna be

980
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: really interesting. And I'm really little cut forward to just

981
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: the whole experience of preparing against the different styles and

982
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: and you know, competing against them as well when you

983
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: um because we have there's a lot of coaches that

984
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: listen to this. And so when when you so you

985
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: have two weeks of training camp, and I'm sure that

986
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: you communicate like, hey, Dode, you guys got to come

987
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: in shape. And all these guys have played and they've

988
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: had a little bit of time off, Like how do

989
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: you break down you know, the first week? Are you

990
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: conditioning hard? Are you simply implementing system? Are you touching

991
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: up the system? Because all these guys have played together,

992
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: Like what's your philosophy? You've got two weeks prepare before

993
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: you start, you know, playing games, and then it's like

994
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: a month before the tournament actually starts. How do you

995
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 1: do it? Yeah? You know, I think Doug. The thing

996
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: is that like for example, a j Slaughters playing for

997
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: Asville and their season will not end until early July, right,

998
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: Like he may be home like July four, you know,

999
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,479
Speaker 1: so you're talking about like maybe he'll have am he'll

1000
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: have a month max to to get himself, you know

1001
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: before art art preparation starts up. So I'm not really

1002
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: worried about them. You know, the type of shape they're

1003
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: going to come in. You know, some guys seasons have

1004
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: gone longer than others. Um, I think that everybody has

1005
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: played on a high level and they understand, you know,

1006
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: what they need to do. We've got a great conditioning coach,

1007
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: a guy named Dominic ne Roychuk, who we call the Dominator,

1008
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: and basically he makes my job easy. You know, like

1009
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: basically we'll we'll focus on the basketball side of it.

1010
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: We'll focus on let's say, the implementing the system, uh,

1011
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, installing our set plays, our defense, the basketball

1012
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: side of it. You know, we'll have to practices. Most

1013
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: of the time. In the morning will be skill working conditioning,

1014
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: you know, we'll split the team with some skill work

1015
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: and then doing some weights or whatever whatever our dominator

1016
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: wants to do with them, and then at evening we'll

1017
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: do a lot of the basketball team stuff. And I

1018
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: think what we've always tried to do is just push

1019
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: and push and push and push until you know, we

1020
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: get the word from from Dominator and our physio Eric Markovitch.

1021
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: They say, okay, reel it back a little bit, dial

1022
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: it back, you know, give the guys a day off,

1023
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: or give the guys one practice, or let's do something else.

1024
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of been the mentality. I

1025
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: don't really we just say, here's our plan, we're putting

1026
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: our stuff in. We're gonna put it in, and you know,

1027
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: you try to build in, you know, maybe by Thursday

1028
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: or Friday. You try to build in a time where

1029
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: there's some extra space in case you need to give

1030
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: the guys a day off that your system doesn't you know,

1031
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: you don't fall behind and what you want to put in. Um.

1032
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 1: But because these guys are mostly professionals, high level players

1033
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: with the national team, I don't really worried too much

1034
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 1: about them, you know, being in condition and what type

1035
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: of condition they're coming in. I think there's a responsibility

1036
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: that these guys they take care of most of the time. Yeah, yeah,

1037
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: um uh. And And I just was your was your

1038
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: dad a conditioning fanatic? Was your dad you know more professorial?

1039
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: Like what was what was his style? And and how

1040
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: do you how do you how do you blend off

1041
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: of that? Yeah, he's he was really a kind of

1042
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: a defensive coach. Um, you know, he was fun to

1043
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: guess how they all used to be. I feel like

1044
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: they all used to be like like, like, I don't

1045
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: know if I've had this conversation on this pod and

1046
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: with other people where we talk about like I played

1047
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: for Eddie Sutton, right, or even my dad or uh

1048
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: And obviously my dad's successes don't match up to Eddie Sutton.

1049
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: But I have friends that played for Lute Olsen and

1050
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: friends that played for Bob Knight, and they'll all say

1051
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: like they never drew on a white board, like literally

1052
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: never drew up a play. There was never al right, guys,

1053
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: what like not never, but they just they wanted they

1054
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: got you to play really hard. They had basic defensive philosophies,

1055
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, some basic offensive philosophies, and maybe they have

1056
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: an assistant that would drop a play or whatever. But

1057
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: like all of this a t O stuff, you know,

1058
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: situational basketball and you know, changing matchups for specific a

1059
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: t O s or or you know, you know, trying

1060
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: to find the mismatch, you know, and at at the

1061
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: end of an important game. Like these old school guys,

1062
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: they didn't do any of that. They just like go

1063
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: out there and play hard, damn it, or come sit

1064
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: next to me and help me coach right, different games.

1065
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: So the funny thing was, you know, we we win

1066
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 1: the prol A Championship this year, and everybody's so happy. So,

1067
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, I skyped my dad and we talked about

1068
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: the team and talk about the games. He's able to

1069
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: watch them online and everything. You know here, so biggest

1070
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: fan and obviously you know, the biggest critic as well,

1071
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, in a good way, healthy, just trying to

1072
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: always support and be positive. Funny thing is, we win

1073
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: the championship, we have our party, we have our celebration

1074
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: in the next day. I'm skypeding my dad. I hate Dad.

1075
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: You know I won. Would you think of the game?

1076
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: Mike is great? You guys won, really happy, but your

1077
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: defensive stamp, this guy's you gotta get out and deny

1078
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: this guy's you know, he's your foot work and he's

1079
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: just breaking it down for me. And I'm like, Dad,

1080
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: who just won the championship? You know, we just wont. So,

1081
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: you know, kind of funny father's son coaching moment there, um,

1082
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, it's it's definitely a different era game. Um,

1083
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: And you know, but I respect the old school. I

1084
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: respect the you know, the way the game was that

1085
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: we came up learning it, the way we came up,

1086
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, seeing it played, you know. And even so

1087
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: the coaching style was you know, like again, I really

1088
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: respect coach Knight and everything he did in his coaching career,

1089
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: but you can't coach guys. You can't coach players that.

1090
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: Let you know, the way he did with the negative

1091
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: extrinsic motivation and things like this during his tenure. And

1092
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: again you know that this was he was. He was.

1093
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: He was idolized in our house, you know, my dad

1094
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: working for him, and um, he was. He was coaching

1095
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: in Indiana winning national championships at the time. And you know,

1096
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: he was really good to me. I worked summer camp

1097
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: for him. I went to his coaching clinic. You know,

1098
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: he you know a lot of good, good memories and

1099
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: good stories about Coach Night. But it just is an

1100
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: example of the different coaching style then as to where

1101
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: things are now. You just have to handle handle the

1102
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: players much differently today. It's It's very very very very true. Um.

1103
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: Last thing, Um, actually I have I have two other things.

1104
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: I was you mentioned on how all you wanted to

1105
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: be was a college coach, and then this just kind

1106
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: of happened, right, and now you've become this overseas guy

1107
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: and having an immense amount of success. It has changed, though,

1108
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: now that these G League teams are, the connection with

1109
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: the NBA is so much closer than when you were

1110
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: in the USB L or I was in the USB L,

1111
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: or I was in the C B A for a

1112
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: hot minute, or the A B A the I B A,

1113
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: because it's actually kind of part of the league. If

1114
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: you were coming out out right just now, you finished

1115
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: up Enna University in Pennsylvania iu P, would you go

1116
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: right to the G League? What would your path be

1117
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: now if you wanted to be a coach. Oh. I

1118
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: think if you love coaching and you want to coach,

1119
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: you have to be open to whatever level, whatever situation, wherever,

1120
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: because we don't control where the openings are. We that

1121
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: we go where the opportunity is. UM. So, I think

1122
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: there's there's many positives about college coaching. I still, you know,

1123
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: look at look at that very positively because it's kind

1124
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: of how I grew up. But I also you know,

1125
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: point out like the G League, the UM you know,

1126
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: the as you say, the connection with the NBA. You know,

1127
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: like for me, the two biggest seasons in terms of

1128
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: development where my two times two years in in Portland,

1129
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: Maine working with the Celtics. You know, I was around

1130
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: Doc Rivers and his staff and the first year and

1131
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: then Brad Stevens and his staff the second year. So

1132
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: those those two years gave me the chance to really

1133
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: work on myself, called my coaching game, get better in

1134
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: certain areas, and ask questions from great coaches you know,

1135
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: not only Dor Brad, but the assistance and everybody. You know,

1136
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: like there's great basketball people there. So I think that

1137
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: that that's kind of the main point is you know,

1138
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: where do you want to be as a coach. Do

1139
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: you want to be a college coach? Do you want

1140
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: to be a pro coach? Do you want to be

1141
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: in the U s A. Do you want to be

1142
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: in Europe? But I think that if you're you know,

1143
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: if I like to say to people, everybody wants to

1144
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: coach a championship team, but there's not many, you know,

1145
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: championship teams out there. You know, there's more mediocre or

1146
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: bad teams out there. But if you love the coach,

1147
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: it's about getting the most out of your team and

1148
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: getting the most out of your situation. You know, not

1149
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: every team can is ready to win that title. But

1150
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: I think this is the point. If you love the

1151
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: process of coaching and you kind of have an idea

1152
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: of where you want to be, that would answer the

1153
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: question do you want to try to get into the

1154
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: pro game? Do you want to try to get a

1155
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: college game? And then you try for it. But since

1156
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: we many times don't have control where those opportunities are,

1157
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: you end up saying, Okay, I'm going to take the

1158
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: best situation I can get and keep working and keep

1159
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: hustling and keep trying to get better. Um. And then

1160
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: pretty soon you look back and you're like, man, you

1161
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: know it's it's been a great ride. I've had a

1162
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: lot of great experiences, and you know I've done I've

1163
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: done this. But you know, the network is really important. UM.

1164
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that that if you're really

1165
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: interested in coaching, it's it's important to be open to

1166
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: all levels and all opportunities everywhere. The single best food

1167
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: you've eaten in Germany is what schnitzel. Gotta go with schnitzel,

1168
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: Schnitzel classic schnitzel, uh go to you know, it's every

1169
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: time you schnitzel, you're happy. Got to be happy. Oh, Poland.

1170
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about Poland is the soups. Really,

1171
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: you know, like in in Central and Middle East, Middle

1172
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: Middle Europe, you'll you'll eat a lot of soups before yours.

1173
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: It's cold, right, and they're there, Yeah, it's cold. A

1174
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: lot of there's borsh, there's potato based soups. There's all difference.

1175
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I really like bors I'm a

1176
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: boors guy. Now do you do now in the in

1177
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: the winter it's warm, but in the summer it's cold,

1178
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: so that they actually serve the soup cold. Which do

1179
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: you prefer? I'm a warm and warm guy. Just I

1180
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: can't like cold soup. It's not really my thing, you know.

1181
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: But the whole mentality is it helps prepare the digestive

1182
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: system for for for the meal. So like it's really

1183
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: like lots of culture and tradition and everything like this.

1184
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, you say one thing Poland. You know

1185
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people will talk about parogues or other

1186
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: things that I'm going to say the soups and and

1187
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go with with borst and Pares are

1188
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: big in Western Pennsylvania, aren't they? Like that's actually right. Yeah,

1189
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: so there actually there actually is a correlation between Poland

1190
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: and Western Pennsylvania. Yeah. But you know what I want

1191
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: to talk about is, you know, let me let me

1192
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: turn the tables. Let's talk about the Oklahoma storm back

1193
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: in the day. Okay, so you know what I mean. Okay,

1194
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: So so I don't know if people who listeners. No,

1195
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: that was the number one overall pick of the USB

1196
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: L and two thousand. Now you were in the league

1197
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: in two thousand and that was after that that you

1198
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: were two thousand two when I played for Kareem, when

1199
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: I played when I played for Cream. That was interesting. Yes,

1200
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: that was unbelievable experience, Like I can't imagine, like, hey,

1201
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: where did you meet Kareem abdul Jabar in some arena somewhere? No,

1202
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: it was the Dodge City Civic Center up on that

1203
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: stage which acted as the v I P Room. He

1204
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: was up there, pregame, getting some you know, pregame food

1205
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: in and then Kareem abdul Jabar back there. Unbelievable. The

1206
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: whole thing was, so who was who? Who played for?

1207
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to think which I know. Did you

1208
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: guys have Kenny Gregory that year? Was he in the

1209
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: first ok our team with the big names were Jimmy

1210
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: King from the Five great guy, really enjoyed him. We

1211
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,959
Speaker 1: had Oliver Miller big oh who was That was a

1212
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: really interesting season with him. Kenny Gregory was fantastic and

1213
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: went on to a great career overseas. Uh. And then

1214
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: we hit a bunch of just you know, hard working

1215
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: guys that were classic usbl players. So um was really

1216
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: really a lot of fun. And obviously Cliff Levingston the

1217
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: head coach at the time, and Dale Osborne, now an

1218
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: assistant with Portlands Chilblazers. Dale and I were roommates, so

1219
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: a lot lots of great memories. The best was driving

1220
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: the team RV, the team recreation vehicle. You know, we

1221
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: drove down to play in Oklahoma play you guys down

1222
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: there at Oklahoma City and I drove the team RV

1223
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: down there and when I parked outside the arena, I

1224
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: parked and hit a curb, so the tire popped while

1225
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: we were playing the game against you guys. They were

1226
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: changing the tire somewhere in the arena just to make

1227
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: sure we could get home at night? What are you

1228
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: guys had a team RV, Yes, Team RV. I was

1229
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: driving it would meet Kenny Gregory's got shotgun kept me

1230
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: up at night. We drove all the way from Dodge

1231
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: City to uh St. Louis. We're driving up to St. Jose, Missouri.

1232
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: You know all those teams driving down to play you

1233
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: guys you need or Oklahoma City. So uh great, great memories, unbelievable.

1234
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is the team in two thousand

1235
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: two won the championship. We lost in the finals. In

1236
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: two thousand Brian Gates, who he was last year's with

1237
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: the Sacramento Kings, was our head coach. But he wasn't

1238
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: supposed to be the head coach. There's a different head coach.

1239
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: I forget. I'll think of the guy's name was like

1240
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: a scout with the Mavericks and he bailed like the

1241
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: day before the first game. It's like Brian Gates was

1242
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: like twenty four of the time maybe and he had

1243
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: never been a head coach ever, and like he's our

1244
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: head coach and he did a great job. And then

1245
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: in two thousand two, so I was playing in the

1246
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: A B A UM and a guy named James Bryant

1247
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: was the owner and he was also like an agent,

1248
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: and the whole sale was like I was a pretty

1249
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: big name, and of course Cream is a huge name,

1250
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: and we were gonna be like the two faces of

1251
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: this team because I played in two thousand and we

1252
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: almost and we played in Oklahoma City that year. Is

1253
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: opposed to playing enid uh strictly need in my first year,

1254
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: and um, so I'm playing for a guy named Maz

1255
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: Track who's been an NBA assistant overseas coach whatever. I'm

1256
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: sure you know, Mas. And so Mass is my coach

1257
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: in Phoenix and the A B A and he's like,

1258
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: you're an idiot to leave. We're going to the A

1259
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: B A tournament that's where all the scouts are. And

1260
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: so James Bryant was paying me like three times when

1261
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: he's paying every other player, and my wife was working

1262
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: in the sales office and I was doing like local

1263
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: radio in the middle of the day. So I was

1264
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: making a bunch of money to play for this usb

1265
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: L team. And I think, I mean, the only thing

1266
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: I can think of. And I've talked to Kaream a

1267
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: couple of times about this, but I'm not sure he

1268
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: really recalls. I haven't brought up any negative memories, but

1269
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,479
Speaker 1: he wouldn't start me. And look, we had like Randy

1270
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: you talk about Nick Nurse, Like Randy Duck was a

1271
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: hell of a player. And so it wasn't like they

1272
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: were bad guys. But I was actually playing really, really well,

1273
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: and I was just very frustrated over my my playing time.

1274
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: So I actually like left the team with I don't know,

1275
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: five six games to go, and um, just just did

1276
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: the broadcasting thing and then I ultimately went to work

1277
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: for ESPN like later that fall, and and uh, they

1278
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: went on and won the championship. But he was Kareem

1279
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: was interesting like he was He's obviously really bright, but

1280
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: he he struggled. He struggled to understand how the game

1281
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: had evolved some um and uh. And it wasn't that

1282
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: he didn't like he was always there and he's always

1283
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: on time, but she didn't feel like there was an

1284
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: investment in like watching film and understanding who you're going against.

1285
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: And I'll give you an example. We're playing in Salina,

1286
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: Kansas and Kansas Cages and um, late in the first

1287
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: half they post me like twice and by the second.

1288
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: First time guy just scores the top. Second time. I

1289
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: just found him. And I had always been told like, hey,

1290
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: if you you're you know, I'm six ft tall. If

1291
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: you get some six ten dude on you gets on

1292
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: a switch just like you get six just burn when

1293
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: you're not gonna use them. All this foul take it

1294
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: out on the side. So I foul. He takes me

1295
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: out of the game because he's like, you know that's

1296
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: you know she that and I was. So we go

1297
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: in the locker room and he's still on me about,

1298
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, fouling, and about how I was I'm being lazy,

1299
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: and I liked around and go like lazy, are you

1300
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: fucking kidding me? There's nothing I he's six foot fucking ten.

1301
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: There's nothing I can do other than foul him or

1302
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: let him score nothing. There's nothing. There's nothing else I

1303
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: can do. Now, if you want to send a double

1304
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: team down there on a six foot ten usbl player, like,

1305
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: that's fine, you can do that, but we're not sending

1306
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: a double team. So we just took it out of bounds,

1307
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: Like why are you onto me? Why don't you pay

1308
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: attention to who I'm guarding in the situation, And like

1309
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: he lost his mind on me, and it was and

1310
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: I kind of lost it on him or whatever. But

1311
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: so it was. But I did like he He wasn't

1312
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: a bad it wasn't a terrible coach, but he just

1313
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: he had a lot of things going on. He was

1314
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: really into like the history of everywhere. So we'd go

1315
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: like back, I don't know if you remember, like there

1316
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: is a team in St. Louis, and like we had

1317
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: all kinds we we would, right, so we would or

1318
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: was outside was like St. Joe's Missouri, Right, so we'd go,

1319
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: like one day we go, we we play at home,

1320
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: then we play in Dodge City, then we bust home

1321
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: after Dodge City. Then we bust us a line, then

1322
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: we busted Dodge City, then we bust home and then

1323
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: like I remember, we we bust up to St. Louis

1324
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: and we got there at like I don't know, like

1325
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: we left super early and we probably rolled in at

1326
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: like twelve, and the hea we thought the game was

1327
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, like a five o'clock game,

1328
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: and the game was like a one o'clock game. So

1329
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: all the guys are pissed, you know, and we're eating

1330
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: hot dogs and he was most upset because there was

1331
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: some historical site that he wanted to go to that

1332
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: because the and then he got off and you know

1333
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: it's Kareem abdul Jabar and St. Joe's Missouri and they

1334
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: wanted to sign autographs whatever, and he struggles with, you know,

1335
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: just people getting clear. And I can understand that part,

1336
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: but he was actually he was most upset that we

1337
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: weren't going to some historical site that he had already

1338
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: planned out he wanted to go. And he read a

1339
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: book on on the trip up, and I was like,

1340
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? H, here's my here's my best

1341
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: USBL story. I might have told it on another pod

1342
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: and you can then you gotta share one. Okay. So

1343
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: my first year we're playing, and we play there was

1344
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: a team on Long Island. There's a team in Brooklyn,

1345
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: team on Long Island, team in d C. And we

1346
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: had a bunch of d C guys on our team. Um,

1347
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: Darren McClinton was joined me on the on the pod.

1348
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: He was the other point guard and so, uh, they

1349
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: all talk our management or coaches whatever into like, hey,

1350
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: we play the Pennsylvania Valley Dogs, coached by Darryl Dawkins,

1351
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: the next day, like, hey, we're all from d C.

1352
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: We got like three guys from d C. We want

1353
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: they want to go out in d C, sleep there

1354
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: and then we'll we'll we'll take our vans up the

1355
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: next morning. Okay, fine, So we roll in and it's

1356
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: like the it's like a day game on like a

1357
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: Wednesday or a Thursday or something. And it was actually

1358
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: really smart from the usb L team because all the

1359
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 1: local camps, sports camps whatever, for camps, they must have

1360
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: given them, you know, like two dollars for a ticket.

1361
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: So it's at Lehigh University in their gym and it's packed,

1362
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: but it's all packed with kids that are probably twelve

1363
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,919
Speaker 1: and below and all they want to do is see

1364
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: people dunk. They have no idea, but whatever, the it's

1365
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: cool to walk into a usb L gym and the

1366
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,759
Speaker 1: places an absolute zoo. And because I played for Cream

1367
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: and because of a couple of other things, like we

1368
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: played in a lot of full houses. So we get

1369
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: there and you know, I don't remember how long the

1370
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: trip was, it was probably like three hours or three

1371
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: and a half or something like that. And you know,

1372
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: most of those dudes are hungover anyway, and we roll

1373
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: in and again it's one of those like wait the

1374
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: game starts when they're like the game starts eleven, Like

1375
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: who plays at eleven o'clock to like usbo or playing

1376
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock? Get ready? So on now our guys like, well,

1377
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: we haven't even anything. It's like, no problem, we'll get

1378
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 1: you something from the stack bar. So literally they bring

1379
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: in hot dogs, stickers, and cokes from the from the

1380
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 1: stack bar. Right, So we're like all right, so we

1381
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: we eat the food, we go out, we actually win

1382
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,560
Speaker 1: the game, we come in the locker room and um,

1383
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: and we're about to get on the bus and we

1384
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: get per diem. I never forget this, Like our per

1385
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: diem was I think it was twenty five dollars a day.

1386
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: Was your twenty or twenty five? And I remember like

1387
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 1: getting twelve dollars and fifty cents and I was like,

1388
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 1: what the fuss is? And they're like, twelve dollars and

1389
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: fifty cents that's your per diem. I was like, dude,

1390
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: it's twenty five a day. Why am I getting? Like, well,

1391
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: you ate two hot dogs and you got a coke

1392
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: and you had a Snicker's box. And I was like

1393
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: what you took that out of my perdem like, yeah,

1394
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: what do you who do you think you pay for it?

1395
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, fine, just give me give

1396
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: me the money, all right. So now you go give

1397
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: me your give me your best usbl story or two. Well,

1398
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: this is the best story. But it's unbelievable, you know. Um,

1399
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 1: you know Cliff Levingston was coaching the team and basically

1400
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 1: he had some personal problems going on at the time,

1401
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, so we played a St. Louis

1402
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: Eye Hawks team at home in Dodge City, and you know,

1403
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: we lose the game, disappointing loss. We're up in if

1404
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: you remember the Dodge City Civic Center, We're up on

1405
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: the third level. You know those locker rooms upstairs. Okay,

1406
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: I remember the stands were on one side, there was

1407
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: a stage on the other and if if to the

1408
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: to the left of the stage, there was steps that

1409
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: went upstairs, and upstairs there were like on one like

1410
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: a second level would be like the visitors team and

1411
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: on the third level would be like the home team

1412
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: something like this. So that's where the locker rooms were.

1413
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: So the locker room was this old like two It

1414
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 1: was like a split locker room. We had a coach's

1415
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: locker room on one side and uh in a player's

1416
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: locker room on the other side. So Cliff is in

1417
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: there talking to the players like, you know, fellas, we've

1418
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 1: got to do this better. We gotta do that better.

1419
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: Come on, it's a bad loss, We've got you know,

1420
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: it was normal, you know, we lost the disappointing game,

1421
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm standing in the doorway in between

1422
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: and um, you know the general manager, Tom Nelson, great guy,

1423
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: and all the coaches every body up on that side,

1424
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: and we're just listening to Cliff addressed the team. Here

1425
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: comes a bunch of uh FBI agents coming to the

1426
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 1: to the locker room. There's like eleven FBI agents in there,

1427
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: and Tom's like, hey, you know, Cliff, we gotta gotta

1428
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: talk to you because like, hang on, wait a minute,

1429
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: he's talking to the team. He's like, no, I really

1430
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: need to talk to you. So Cliff goes to talk

1431
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: to Tom, and unfortunately it was a situation where you know,

1432
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 1: Cliff got he got arrested that night for some stuff

1433
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: that was later worked out. Um, but that was like

1434
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: the most amazing thing I've ever seen anywhere in terms

1435
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: of with the team basketball team minor league. You know,

1436
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: there's some crazy stories. I mean, we're talking about team

1437
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 1: that's driving around an RV, you know, driving all over

1438
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: the midwest of the r V. You're talking about a

1439
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: bunch of guys, some former NBA players, you know, a

1440
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: bunch of guys trying to make it at the time,

1441
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,480
Speaker 1: there's no there's no d League, there's no real structured organization,

1442
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: pro league, you know. Um, and some of these stories,

1443
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 1: you know, this is one of the you know, softer

1444
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,520
Speaker 1: one super share with people that he's just like, it's

1445
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: all right, right, here's one. Here's one. I will not

1446
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: name the teammate, okay, um, but I used to my dad.

1447
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: I never forget this, my late father. Uh. I remember

1448
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: going to I was driving back Water during my first

1449
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: training camp for the USPL because it was like, you know,

1450
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: May in June league and when we we just got

1451
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: out of school and I kept my apartment, my fiance

1452
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: now my wife was there and it was like an

1453
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: hour drive whatever. So I remember driving home and I

1454
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: called my dad after help practice. I was like, Dad,

1455
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: you would not believe how many good players we have.

1456
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I believe it. I said, no, no no, no, Dad,

1457
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: we have we have Willie Burton who was the ninth

1458
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: pick in the draft. We have the Bradford Smith who

1459
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: was a first round pick. I mean he gave Jordan

1460
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: thirty one. We have Bubba Wells who led uh who

1461
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: led um the country and scoring um. You know, we

1462
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 1: had we had all kinds of dudes, right. And my

1463
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: dad said something to me, which is so true. And

1464
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: he said, son, there's always a reason. And I was like,

1465
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: what do you mean? And he goes and I was like,

1466
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, we had Gayling Young, We've just been he's

1467
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: a second round pick, I think of Milwaukee or whatever.

1468
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 1: And he's like, there's always a reason. I go, what

1469
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: do you mean. He goes, well, why are you why

1470
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: are you not gonna be a first round pick? And

1471
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: I was like, well, because people can't think I can't shoot.

1472
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't think I can shoot. It's like, exactly,

1473
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: it's like there's always a reason. It's like, I don't know,

1474
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Doubt was like, you know, some of

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01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: its injuries, like okay, well, injuries a reason. He's like,

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01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 1: but you know, some people eat their way out of

1477
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: the league. Some people sleep sleep with too many women

1478
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: and do drugs or whatever, and like I could go

1479
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 1: through the roster and I remember different, Like I remember

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01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: Bubba Wells who had he had broken both legs in

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01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: college at Rods and his legs. He's famous for whatever,

1482
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: but he had been with the Mavericks like a year

1483
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: or two years before, and I got remember his weight

1484
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: was an issue, and you know, like I turned it.

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01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: We we all stay at the Holiday Inn, and between

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01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: the holiday there's next to our next to our hotel,

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01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: there's a strip club, and then after that there was

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01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: a Sonic Burger and then like you go into town,

1489
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: there's Mark Price Arena where we played and never forget.

1490
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: Like we're getting ready for our very first game and

1491
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: I pulled out a holiday in and I'm ready to go,

1492
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: and there's Bubba Well's car park next to Sonic and

1493
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: there's just there's bags of food and drinks and only

1494
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: him in the car right like he comes in with

1495
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: like mustard and mayo like on his lips, and I'm like, okay,

1496
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: that's his reason, like foodie. So I had a teammate

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01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: there was and I don't know if they had this

1498
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: your year. So there was two teams in Florida one

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01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,839
Speaker 1: in Fort Myers, and there was one in Sara Sota.

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Speaker 1: The Sarah Sota one was owned by UM. I'm trying

1501
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: to think who the boxer was Ship. I'll think of

1502
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: it in a second. UM. And then my boy Mike

1503
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: Lewis is now Roy Jones, Roy Jones, Roy Jones and

1504
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 1: the Sara Sota team and then the the Fort Myers

1505
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: team UM was coached by Rick Berry and Mike Lewis,

1506
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: who is a buddy of mine now U C. L

1507
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: A was their their point guard. So the way it

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01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: worked there was we flew in and we drove to

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01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: Fort Myers. The next day we played for Myers. Then

1510
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: we play Sarasota back to back nights and we played

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01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: four Myers. Then we go home and never forget this.

1512
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: I had a teammates s whear to God, who I

1513
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: have no there's in my brain I know he was

1514
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 1: not in the NBA longer because he slept with two

1515
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: like he lost his legs, sleep with too many women

1516
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 1: that had to be he has been. He had a

1517
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: wife who we didn't see her. And then he's in

1518
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: Florida and his wife's there and one of the guys,

1519
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 1: like the managers on the team, like took them to

1520
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 1: the airport like halfway through the trip, and then like

1521
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: two gates down, his girlfriend shows up like literally like

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01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: says goodbye to his wife and then walks at the

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01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: two gates down. Then he waits and his girlfriend arrives

1524
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: like on a Southwest flight, and then she with him

1525
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: the rest of the trip. It was I've never seen it,

1526
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: like the balls on him, it was, it was. It was.

1527
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if you're a player, like it's

1528
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: a player move. But it was an amazing thing. Like, wait,

1529
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: that's a different woman than was with him yesterday. How

1530
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: did that happen? Like, dude, he went to the airport,

1531
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: he dropped his wife off, and then he picked this

1532
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: other girl up, like picked her up like no, like

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01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: he flew her in and she arrived like thirty minutes later.

1534
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: So well, what if the flight was delayed? It was

1535
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: unbelieve he did that. He only had to make one trip, yes,

1536
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: because then he would lost down of that pretty umbro um.

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01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:46,679
Speaker 1: Great stories. Okay, okay, uh last thing, um, Look, you're

1538
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: you guys were able to put your team how m

1539
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: Burg in the top league. You're coaching the Polish national team.

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01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: What's the next attainable goal for you personally. Oh, you know,

1541
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: we'll see. I want to do a great job with

1542
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 1: the ones that are unfinished right now, you know, I

1543
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,600
Speaker 1: want to number one, do a great job with the

1544
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: World Cup here and make a great run for Polish

1545
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: basketball in in China. And then second, you know, whether

1546
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: it's it's bundes League, we want to continue to grow

1547
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: and build basketball and Hamburg the potential in the city

1548
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: is really big. Uh. And then we'll see what's out there,

1549
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: you know. Like I'm I'm just very settled and very

1550
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: happy right now in terms of the basketball situations. Uh.

1551
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: And you know, like I said, you don't really control

1552
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: the opportunities that are out there. You just have to,

1553
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, kind of wait and do the very best

1554
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 1: you can with what you have. And I think we're

1555
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: you're focused on doing your job well. The next steps

1556
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: just eventually, you know, present themselves. So I'm just focused

1557
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: right now on Poland and Hamburg. I'm happy going to

1558
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: the gym every day. I'm enjoying the process of it,

1559
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: and um, you know, hopefully we can have more results

1560
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: like this special season where we achieve two really big,

1561
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: big goals with the World Cup and on this week

1562
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: awesome stuff. Thanks so much for your perspective on the

1563
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: NBA Finals, on what it's like to to make this

1564
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: journey overseas thoughts, and your dad coaching with the Red Claws,

1565
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: and of course we wish you nothing but safe travels

1566
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: and the best of luck in the World Cup representing Poland.

1567
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: Well appreciate you joining me, No problem, dog, you know

1568
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 1: I'm a fan. I've been a big since those USB

1569
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: All days, and UH really enjoy listening to your your views,

1570
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: your Injia thoughts, and UH really really meant a lot

1571
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: to spend some time talking basketball with you, So thank

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01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: you very much. We'll do it in person soon. Thanks

1573
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 1: so much, Mike. Do be sure to catch live editions

1574
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: so the Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays at noon Eastern

1575
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 1: three pm Pacific. All right, that's it for All Ball.

1576
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: We're back next week getting you ready for the NBA

1577
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: Draft and recapping this season in the NBA, plus some

1578
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,679
Speaker 1: college hoops talk with the new rules going into college

1579
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: basketball deeper three point line. I love it. I'll tell

1580
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 1: you why next week on the All Ball Podcast. This

1581
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: is a ball under Gotli