1 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Favorite podcast. This is the 2 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: podcast from the Action Network. I am Chad Noman, joined 3 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: as I am every week by my buddy, my tobacco 4 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: spitting class act. That's right, someone's gonna butch this place 5 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: up a little bit. So we got a huge show 6 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: today because later on in the show we had on 7 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: the show, we're gonna talk about the NBA Finals, which 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: are two games in long way to go. It's been 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: infinitely fascinating for everybody. Some of us made a little 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: bit of a wager on the second half of that 11 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: game the other night, ponied up to the bar, made 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: a little cash. Ponied up to the bar. Do you 13 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: mean you bellied up to the bar. It's not, it's 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: not it's bellied up to the bar. That other voice 15 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: is Darren Ravelle. He's going to talk to us first 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: because he had what might be described as one of 17 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: the biggest days in Action Network history yesterday, much bigger 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: than anything black Jack has ever done, a worst ever. 19 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: Darren Revel blew up Twitter yesterday, caused a journalistic fighter storm, 20 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: caused a controversy, and along the way was the first 21 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 1: person to get Jeopardy James on the phone to talk 22 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: about his loss. Darren, take us to the whole thing, man, 23 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: tell us exactly what happened, break it down, take us 24 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. So Sunday night, there was the leak 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: that James Holdshower was gonna lose on Monday. Where it 26 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: was the leak? Uh, It was on Reddit, and then 27 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: the New York Posts got to it and it actually 28 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: came to me someone like two or three people sent 29 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: it to me, and then it was all out. There 30 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: was like five or six different um media publications that 31 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: had that out, and I said, well, I don't really 32 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: want to put this out, but it should be. This 33 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: is a news story. He's won thirty two straight. So 34 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: when the first one, five or six news publications put 35 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: it out, how did they frame it and what about 36 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: it made you think you don't want to put it out? 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: The New York Post didn't have spoiler. That was the 38 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: biggest one. It says it appears like he lost in 39 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: a video that has been leaked virally. You want to 40 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: know the one reason I didn't want to put it 41 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: out because Jeopardy is evergreen and there was nothing tying 42 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: it to that date, and I didn't want to be 43 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: responsible if that was his loss, that comes in and 44 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: I knew it was taped, so I had no way 45 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: of knowing what that actual date was, and it was 46 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: possible that it really was his loss. It appeared like 47 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: it that he lost after Final Jeopardy, but I had 48 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: no way of knowing that. And we found out that 49 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: that was taped on March twelve, So you know, I 50 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: just I just felt no. But having known that, we 51 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: know that, uh, the it is syndicated and they air 52 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: at different times. Uh, you know, we knew that in Montgomery, 53 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: Alabama it airs at and once it airs, someone in Montgomery, 54 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: Alabama can say something. So I think we were pretty clear. Um, 55 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: and I texted you, and we were pretty clear that 56 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: it was counted as a news story. And once it 57 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: ran and we knew he lost, it was fair game. Okay, 58 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. You call it Tony heat 59 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: on Twitter for this. I don't really understand why, Um, 60 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: but I'll play devil's advocate and be the voice of 61 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: the people who hate you reluctantly. Um, did you feel 62 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: it all thought like a dick when you when you 63 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: did this, Because people really got upset, I mean they 64 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: were heated with you. I think people were upset because 65 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: they found out he lost, maybe through me. I don't 66 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: think spoiler would have helped, because spoiler alone indicate indicates 67 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: it's done. So even spoiler stops reading at the word spoiler, like, 68 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: can we stop pretending that? I don't actually stop. Of course, 69 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: if I see spoilers in a story, I immediately scrolled 70 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: by it. Did you feel at all like this is 71 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: the outrage is ridiculous because it's over a goddamn Jeopardy show. Well, 72 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: I don't want to, I don't I don't want to judge. 73 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: I think obviously the reason the outrage is ridiculous is 74 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: because Jeopardy authorized James obviously to talk. I said, I'm 75 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: going to wait until it goes, until we're actually it 76 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: has been determined. You don't think Jeopardy has a non 77 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: disclosure with James that he can't talk about his loss 78 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: until they're okay with it. So that's the crazy thing. 79 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: I mean that Jeopardy was k with it obviously, and 80 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: you know, so doesn't all fall on me. James was 81 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: okay with it. In fact, James told me later and 82 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: I don't really have a problems sharing this that he 83 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: he thought it was crazy because the night before he 84 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: felt everyone found out about it, and now Jeopardy is 85 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: looking into who and they think they know who the 86 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: leaker is. So hold on, wow, you are you are 87 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: breaking news on the podcast right now. Jeopardy feels they 88 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: know who leaked the story. On Sunday night that he 89 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: lost started this whole attempt correct who leaked the video. 90 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: I don't do you know who Deep Throat is, but 91 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: I do think I feel like it's fascinating that that 92 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: happened on March twelve. He began his run in April four, 93 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: and to think, I gotta say one more thing then, 94 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: because when I think about March twelve, I'm thinking, Okay, 95 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: if Jeopardy really cared, they would make this alive property 96 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: or or they would tell the syndicates. Listen, I know 97 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: there's some CBS and some maybe c in some NBC. 98 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: We have to all get together here, and they never did. 99 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: So you know, you can't you can't say, uh, you 100 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: have a problem with the system. If the if the 101 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: people who are providing the system the show don't care themselves, 102 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: all right, So I agree with you on that you 103 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: find out that he loses, you're able to confirm it. 104 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: What do you do next? I then went to go 105 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,239 Speaker 1: get him, and we did not get him on the phone. 106 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: We got him by email because he said he was 107 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: really busy. I said, listen, I needed to return these 108 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: questions like as soon as possible. Um, And he right 109 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: away did and I had a couple more questions. UM. 110 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: I feel like the one thing that I had to 111 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: do was I had to find out about the ending 112 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: because we saw the ending, what was what was leaked? 113 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: And it was just very confusing, and from a self 114 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: serving standpoint, it gave our story more life because after 115 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: everyone watched it, I feel like they would have been 116 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: equally confused about what went down and what went down? 117 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: Was he only uh bid in Final Jeopardy? Like was 118 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: it like six bucks of his twenty three thousand, eight 119 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: hundred and people would be like, what is he doing? 120 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: Is he tired? You know they shoot five of these 121 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: a day? Is he tired? Did he want to just 122 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: give up? You know? Did take a dive? Did he 123 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: have a brain cramp? What happened? And then he explained 124 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: it in a way that me and Evan Abrams, one 125 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: of our great numbers guys, we went over it to 126 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: see if what he was explaining made sense, and it did, 127 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: it made sense. He said that he wanted to make 128 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: sure that he was a dollar at least a dollar 129 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: larger than the third place guy and give himself a chance. 130 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: He knew that the emma of the person in first 131 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: was going to max out because he would think that 132 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: he would max out, and he was playing the game 133 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 1: that if she maxed out and missed, he would have won. 134 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: And um, she got it right. So it was moot. 135 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: But it was really interesting the way he and how 136 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: he figured that out in who knows how long of 137 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: real time, but how he figured that out and she 138 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: did too, because she she beat him by a dollar 139 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: or something like that, So that that was that was 140 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: the most fascinating. She would have beaten him and by 141 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: a dollar if she she actually would have beaten him 142 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: by a dollar if she missed. If the question either way, 143 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: he was gonna lose. Uh. That's what was most fascinating 144 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: to me, is through this whole process. Look, the reason 145 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: why we're interested in the story is because he's a 146 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: sports better and the way he was able to apply 147 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: those it's betting skills and the math and those sports 148 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: betting skills you did this podcast with him, you know, 149 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: about a month or so ago. That was fascinating because 150 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: we grilled him with a lot of questions and he 151 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: was able to do the math so quickly in real time. 152 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: It's the dollar that screws me up. Like the fact 153 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: that he could figure out to the dollar how he 154 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: would win with like everybody's sort of combination and premutations. 155 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: That's what's fascinating. Crazy, it's crazy. And then so we 156 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: asked him about is he going to get into sports 157 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: because Billy Beans said, we need this guy in baseball, 158 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: and he said, Billy Beans his idol. But he's gonna 159 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: go back to betting. He knows all the book bakers 160 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: know him, but he assumes they'll, you know, take his bet. 161 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: We have we really haven't understood how successful of a 162 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: gambler he is. Um, we don't. We don't know that, um, 163 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: but we know it's his job. Um. And now he's 164 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: got Oh. And then the other thing I wanted to 165 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: do was I wanted to figure out what the tax 166 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: situation was because he lives in Nevada, but the game 167 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: shows in California, so that's the most ownerous state in 168 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: terms of taxes. So he's losing, he's he's he's losing 169 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: about half his money. It's ridiculous. Goddamn government. Seriously, I 170 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: hate the government. Government. Hey, um, the other question I 171 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: half of you is all right? So we talked about this. 172 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: Jeopardy plays this all wrong like they are playing a 173 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies game in a two thousand twenty world. Because 174 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: why are they not trying to coordinate on a campaign 175 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: when something like this gets rolling? Why do they give 176 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: the show two weeks off and less? Sort of this 177 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: was really weird, but all of that, Like from a 178 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: marketing perspective, Black Jet, you know, you're kind of a marketer, 179 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, you've got a cowboy hat listening, Like, yeah, 180 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: why would they do done? I mean right, First of all, 181 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: you're right when the guy started to go on a 182 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: roll and it was apparent that he was really good, 183 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: change the rules. They should have gone live with this stuff, 184 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: Like they should have had this be live Jeopardy people. 185 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: I mean I don't watch Jeopardy, but I would have 186 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: tuned in if it was live. Yes, like the fact 187 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: that it's taped, take something out of it. And then 188 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: you're right that the two weeks for the teacher's term. 189 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: Just move the damn teachers tournament? Who cares? That's so 190 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: interesting you say that I would have watched this if 191 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: it was live for sure. The fact that it was 192 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: lost all appeal to me. I want to see him 193 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: do it in real time, do you know? Do you know? 194 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: Do you know why they didn't do that? Because they 195 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: just anyone who works on Jeopardy is not They're not 196 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: thinking about that. That's why they work on Jeopardy. You know. 197 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm not taking a shot at them. I'm just saying 198 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: they're not a sound like I'm taking a shot at them. Um. 199 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: I just I just think that they're they're used to 200 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: it and they're on autopilot. But they they definitely should 201 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: have done something now. No offense to merv Griffin. Productive Yeah, 202 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: I think it's probably like, look, they make so much 203 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: money from this thing, like why change it? But you 204 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: change it because you got lightning in a bottle and 205 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: you gotta take advantage of that and you gotta get 206 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: him and Ken Jennings head to head like that needs 207 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: to happen tomorrow. Do you know what I want to see? 208 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: I want to see the the contract that the audience 209 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: had to sign like what they Isn't that amazing? What 210 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: do they threaten you with? Interesting? And I guess they 211 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: could see you hanging? What do they threaten you with? 212 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to be like what what could 213 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: they like? But let's be honest. There if someone in 214 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: that audience had contacted you and said, I want to 215 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: be anonymous. But here's what happens. I mean, how are 216 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: they finding out? How do they finding out the person suit? Yeah, 217 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: I don't know, but the fact that one of them 218 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: leaked it, that's that's remarkable. Seeing now as a journalist, 219 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't be able to take that. That's 220 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: the that's the problem. But my point is, non I 221 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: signed a document when I went to when I brought 222 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: my wife to see Oprah, which was one of her 223 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: lifelong dreams. What was it talked about sharing details of 224 00:12:54,760 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: the show that didn't air? All right? Are we telling you? Well? Listen, 225 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: Darren had the biggest story in the history of the 226 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: Action Network yesterday. Again you should and there's never enough. 227 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: That's what he's saying. Thank you, I thank you. He 228 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: did a great job. Listen, Darren's a professional. I think 229 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: it's crazy that you got the heat you did for it? 230 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: I do? It was by four o'clock. I was like, 231 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: why am I so exhausted? It's because I was reading 232 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: everything and I think it's emotional. It is emotional. Yeah, 233 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: I mean it's emotional. It's emotional when Trump is at 234 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: in England and you're like right below Buckingham Palace on nationally. 235 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: So let's talk about that for a second. Like, you 236 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: made it. You have made it practice in a career. 237 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: This is an interesting sort of you bet your life 238 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: risk calculation assessment. Right, you have made your career and 239 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: and very purposely and with practice, decide you're gonna be polarizing. 240 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: You'd rather you know, in the way you present content, 241 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: do things that people love or hate, then they just 242 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: feel warm about Um. Isn't that exhausting? It is? When 243 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: do you regret it? Now? I don't In the past 244 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: I have Now I say, do I want to get 245 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: into this? Like for example, this morning, there was something 246 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: I was going to get into that I chose not 247 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: to because I'm just tired? What was it? Come on? 248 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: What was it? This won't drop until you'll have some 249 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: time nap. Other people got into it, so I wouldn't 250 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: have been alone but Texas putting at the University of 251 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: Texas football put out it was a graphic saying that 252 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: they had they were proud of their highest semester g 253 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: P A Ever, what was it? Two point eight nine? 254 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: You don't brag about that, Texas? Come on, we got 255 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: the plus? Is ever? What is it? That's a plus? 256 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: That's a C plus? It is? Yes? Sorry, I don't know. 257 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: I only got a three eight nine? Is that is? Dude? 258 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: Come on, you don't brag about that two point eight 259 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: night A full graphic and everything, and you know what, 260 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: they're taking easier classes and the teachers know their football players. 261 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: So that's basically probably everyone else's to six. I mean, 262 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: you made fun of the L s U billboard. This 263 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: is way worse. So I was gonna I was gonna 264 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: really activate on that night. Tired. I feel like, let's see, 265 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: in the last five weeks since so last eight weeks 266 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: since uh one shining Moment, since the n C Double 267 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: A Tournament ended, you have been trending on Twitter's four 268 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: or five times. Four times, so every other week you 269 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: are trending on Twitter. You've been trending on Twitter for 270 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: Jeopardy James, for one Shining moment for the L s 271 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: U billboard. We did go after them Bill bill Buckner, 272 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: and there was one of the things, Oh the forty 273 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: yard dash. Five things, five things in eight weeks. Pretty 274 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: hard to do that. You have been trending on Twitter. 275 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: You were wrong about the billboard. I'll say that you 276 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: were wrong about that. I don't think so, you were, Chad. 277 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: If they want to, if they want to celebrate a 278 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: team to finish second nationally, they've ever right to put 279 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: a billboard up. They can. But the runner up logo 280 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: with the runner up trophy, thank you so much for 281 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: a great season in an incredible four year run. What 282 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: do you, Ricky, Bobby, if you're not first or last? 283 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: I mean, so what the national runner? I think I'm 284 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: with Darren, You're always with me. Well, I think that, 285 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: like I'm fine with the billboard. I'm not interested in 286 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: the logo in the trophy. They made a runner up logo, okay, 287 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: but that's not on L s U. If if it's 288 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: there to be used and they're given the trophy, what 289 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: are they supposed to do It wasn't there to be used, 290 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: let's not use it. The n c A has runner 291 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: up trophies that they've given since about and every one 292 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: of their championships, they give the trophy, you take the trophy. LS. 293 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: You made up a special runner up logo. Okay, Well 294 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: if you do it without the logo and you put 295 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: the billboard up, then it looks like you won. It 296 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: looks like you won. You've got a trophy and a billboard. 297 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: It looks like you want the Wait, no, it doesn't. 298 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: And I don't want to relitigate this. This will get relitigate. 299 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: All right, here's my point. You put up the billboard, 300 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: say congrats are great and a great for your run 301 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: l s U gymnastics team. That's all you need to say. 302 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: You don't need any allusion to And by the way, 303 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: we finished second place. Okay, so the two of you, 304 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: when your kids finished second and something and they're giving 305 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: a trophy, I expect you to take it away from 306 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: them and tell them you don't get No. No, that's 307 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: not true. See that's the thing. It's just we're not 308 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: going to celebrate. You know, I'm not going to post 309 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: it on Instagram. He will, he's not. What do you 310 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: mean he's not. I watched his kid played baseball every weekend. 311 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 1: My dad, my dad gave me and I will say this. 312 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: I won't do this, but my dad and I love 313 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: my dad, But I cried, do you When I was four? 314 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: I cried. I finished fourth in the penny pick up 315 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: in at the Rosalind Country Club. Oh there's so much there, 316 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: and my dad bought a trophy. You were you were 317 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: crying because you came in fourth? And what are you 318 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: doing the penny pickup? You pick up as many pennies. 319 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: This is like when you asked me, what do you 320 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: do at a crawfish festival? I don't know. What do 321 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: you think you crawfish? What do you do with the 322 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: penny pickup? Darren? Penny pick up? It's not necessarily a 323 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: game that's a three point contest. It's not necessarily a 324 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: standard game that all cats know. So all right, listen, Darren, 325 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: you gotta go. You got more content to create. I 326 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: have my can. It's ranked on Twitter, ranked on Twitter. 327 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: Yesterday was another banner day for Darren doing the rank 328 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: show highest concurrent viewers ever, hindes views ever on his 329 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: ranks show that we've been doing for the past three weeks. 330 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: Everyone should go check it out every week, Darren is 331 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: asking his Twitter following most shocking upset to rank something, 332 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: and then he will go through the week and do 333 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: voting and people will get to decide what the top 334 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: four are and then uh, Darren will review the winner 335 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: at the end of the week. And this week is 336 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: most shocking upset, So he's gonna go, I've got the winner. 337 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: It's that you and Paul LaDuke haven't had a fist 338 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: fight yet. That's what I think. Shocking up the way 339 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: Chad just looked. He's like, that's gonna happen. Good happen, 340 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: good happen. Nice work, Nice work, Darren reveled. Great job, 341 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: Thanks black Jack. We're back. Wonderful. We gotta talk NBA Finals, brother, 342 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: which is it is Tuesday afternoon. The next game is 343 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: Wednesday evening. People are gonna have more than enough time 344 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: to listen to this podcast and get our takes. Uh. 345 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: In the next twenty four hours, we will learn about 346 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant and Clay Thompson. Let's assume Clay Thompson is 347 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: gonna play Kevin Durant is. Now, that's what's gonna happen. 348 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: The line opened at five and a half. It's been 349 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: bed up to six and a half. It's lingering in 350 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: that range. Um let me let let me check in 351 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: the free Free Action Network app right now is see 352 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: exactly where it is. But you sound like you already 353 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: got a take on it. So it's it's insane that 354 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: this line is this high. It is utterly insane that 355 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: you're getting six points of the Toronto Raptors. If you 356 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: don't put the Raptors at six, get your head examined. 357 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: They have played eight quarters of basketball. Toronto has outplayed 358 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: Golden State seven and a half of those quarters. They 359 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: went on. I know we always talked with the Warriors 360 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: in the third quarter, how they're this great third quarter team, 361 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: and they are. But what happened in Game two wasn't 362 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: so much Golden State as Toronto just could not hit 363 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: a shot for five minutes and forty seconds. Had Toronto 364 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: just made two of those shots, this game goes overtime. 365 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: We had a four point game with fifteen seconds to play. 366 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: It was unbelievable how they couldn't score for five and 367 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: a half minutes. But other than that stretch, they have 368 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: outplayed Golden State every other part of these games. And 369 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: if you look at Game two, I came out of 370 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: game too feeling better about Toronto because Kyle Lowry and 371 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: Siachem were in foul trouble the entire game. They each 372 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: had two fouls in the first quarter, Lowry had three 373 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: early in the second, and winds up fouling out midway 374 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: through the fourth. Lowry wasn't even particularly effective. Sam twelve points, 375 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: so you had those two guys give you almost nothing. 376 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: Marc Gasol was invisible on the floor, and yet you 377 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: still had a four point game coming down the stretch, 378 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: even with a five and a half minute scoreless streech streak. 379 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: I come out of this game looking at Toronto and 380 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: saying they've got every piece possible to beat Golden State, 381 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: and now you've got Clay Thompson who's a little bit 382 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: banged up. DeMarcus Cousins had a great game, but you're 383 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: to asked him to play twenty plus minutes every game 384 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: now for the rest of the series. I don't know 385 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: if he's got that much gas left in the tank. 386 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think anybody knows that. Kevin Durant. 387 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: We saw Kevin Durant walking around in the locker room 388 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: Mary in the fourth quarter of that game. Look to 389 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: me like he was walking around with a limp look 390 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: pretty noticeable. I don't know if he's coming back at all. 391 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: He's certainly not back on Wednesday. And you're gonna give 392 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: me six points all day, all day, Toronto. There wasn't 393 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: anything in that run that Golden State had that made 394 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: you think, all right, this team is back to where 395 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: it was. That game one wasn't anomaly based on rust 396 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: and Toronto having you know, so much emotion playing at home. 397 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: The reason I didn't feel that way is because look 398 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: what happened right after it. Toronto bounced back, took over 399 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: the rest of that third quarter. They outscored Golden State 400 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. It's not like they faded, they didn't. 401 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: I mean that team bounced back. And what I mean 402 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: if you look at the fourth quarter chat, there was 403 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: a point with about five minutes ago, they were down 404 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: twelve and they cut it to four with under thirty 405 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: seconds to play. That team has a lot of weapons, 406 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: They play very fast, and they play great defense. Golden 407 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: State is somewhat limited offensively right now, which is weird 408 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: to say. But when Steph Curry doesn't have his shot falling, 409 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: or Clay Thompson, one of them, if both of them 410 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: aren't hitting. At the same time, there's not a lot 411 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: of offensive firepower on the floor right now. It's so 412 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: interesting you say that. I saw a great line on 413 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: Twitter the other day. It might have been by somebody 414 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: at the Ringer who wrote, is it possible that Golden 415 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: Steak can have the two best shooters of all time 416 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: and not have enough shooting? Yes, because outside of those 417 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: two there's none on the floor. I mean, they desperately 418 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: needed Quinn Cook to make each of the three point 419 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: threes that he made. Um, they needed Cousins to do 420 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: everything that he did, and they still barely won that game. 421 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: I I don't think they have enough firepower without Durant 422 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: in this series. They also can rebound at the end 423 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: of the game. Nope, because Cousins was standing out by 424 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: the three point line and Draymond Green. Listen, Draymond Green 425 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: is having the series of his life right now. But again, 426 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: how long is he going to keep that up? I mean, 427 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: he is the motor driving that team. But outside of 428 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: Draymond Green, you don't have a lot of bigs download 429 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: a rebound and Kawhi Leonards a hell of a rebounder. 430 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: Gasol when he's down there can do it, Sam can 431 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: do it, and Lowry is even a pretty good rebounder 432 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: for a guard. So I just think they're out muscled 433 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: in this series without Durant. This is the first time 434 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: they have needed Kevin Durant on the floor. Is Toronto 435 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: much much better than we gave him credit for? Yes 436 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: before the see before the series started. Before of us, 437 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: none of us were in Toronto before the series started, 438 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: and they did not look like an offensive firepower team. 439 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: I think we underestimated to the defense. The defense that 440 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: Toronto plays makes life miserable for Golden State. I mean, 441 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: there is a hand in someone's face every time down 442 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: the floor, and they've basically decided Toronto's basically decided that 443 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: they're gonna play five on three that if Draymond Green 444 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: and Andrea Aguadala are going to beat them, they can 445 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: live with that. They're gonna let those guys shoot. You 446 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: see it in both games, those guys have wide open 447 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: looks they're just not making I mean, Iguadala made it 448 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: at the end of the game to seal that thing. 449 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: But you know they'll live with that. But they're gonna 450 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: cover Thompson and Curry as tough as they can. And 451 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: the other thing too, with this hamstring with Clay Thompson, 452 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: I fully expect him to play and his offense may 453 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: be fine, but he's been guarding Kawhi Leonard a lot. 454 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: And if that hamstring is a little tight or it's 455 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: a little off, what does that mean for Kawhi Leonard's game, 456 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: because it probably gives him a little more room to operate. 457 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: You've so convinced me that Toronto is the right side 458 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 1: in this game at plus six or whatever it ends 459 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: up being. That is my job. That almost makes me 460 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: want to bet Golden State. I mean, listen, I get it, 461 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: I get it right. It's Golden State. But you know, 462 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: the other thing is to people talk about this going 463 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,479 Speaker 1: back to Oracle's going back to Oracle. I get it's 464 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: a great home crowd, but they've lost games at home 465 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: in these playoffs. They gave two games away to the 466 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: Clippers in Oracle. I mean, it's not like they don't 467 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: lose an Oracle. They can. I just don't know how 468 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: much gas this team has left in the tank. They've 469 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: been playing in finals for four of the last five years. 470 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: They're doing it. This is their fifth year, four to 471 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: the last five Okay, so this is five out of six. Yeah, 472 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: so they're doing this now without Durant, and it just 473 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: kind of feels like those role players have gotten a 474 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: little bit maybe past their cell by date, guys like 475 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: Livingston and Iguadala. Now you've got no Cavan Luney either, 476 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: which we haven't even talked about. Looney has been such 477 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: an integral part of that team because they don't really 478 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: play a big download. They depend on Looney to do 479 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: that kind of dirty work. And now he's gone. So 480 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: now you have to get that play out of because 481 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: it's not a luxury anymore. He has to do it. 482 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: If he doesn't do it, I don't know what they do. Well. 483 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: I do think which Steve Kurt did in that game 484 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: was really really smart, Like he made his line up bigger, 485 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: He used cousins in new ways obviously he had to. 486 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: He used Andrew Bogett more than he was using them before. Uh, 487 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: there were a lot of things when I watched that game. 488 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: They gave me confidence. Now, am I going to bet 489 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: that game at Warriors minus six? Probably not, Like I 490 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: probably lean to the Raptors. I haven't fully made my 491 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: decision yet. Um, but there were things in that game 492 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: also remarkably low scoring this series very much so. And 493 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 1: again I think that comes back to the fact that 494 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: the great thing about Toronto, if you're a Raptors fan 495 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: or if you're betting Toronto, is that they can play 496 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: anyway you want to play. If you want to run, 497 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: they can run. If you want to grind it out 498 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: down low, They've got guys like Abaka and Gasol and 499 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: Siakum that can do that. They can play any style. 500 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: So when Steve Kerr wants to go big, they'll counter. 501 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: They can go big. If you want to take those 502 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: guys off the floor and you want to run, Toronto 503 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: is probably faster than Golden State right now, so they 504 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: can run. Kur has done a great job, there's no 505 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: question about it. But I just think they're at a 506 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: disadvantage here total that this game is a two thirteen. 507 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,239 Speaker 1: What are you thinking? I'm thinking under I think that 508 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: it took a herculean effort to approach to thirteen in 509 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: game two because you had Steph Curry missing I mean, 510 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: what his first seven eight shots and then he still 511 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: somehow manages to get thirty four points. Um, Toronto was 512 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: so sloppy with their fouls in game two. I can't 513 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: imagine that happens again. I mean the fouls that they 514 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: were committing in that game Golden I mean, how many 515 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: times did you hear Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy 516 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: say that Golden State is only in this game because 517 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: they're living at the free throw line. I can't imagine 518 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: that happens twice in a row. And if that doesn't happen, 519 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: you're looking considerably fewer points. God, is just so hard. 520 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: Like looking at the percentages right now, I'm opening the 521 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: app looking at the percentages. It's hard to even say, 522 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: like which way I want to go based on percentages. 523 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: You've got se the money on the over of the 524 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: bets on the over. So that's telling me that the 525 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: wise guys, if they're playing this, I'll play the over 526 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: well playing and uh, bets and money are both on Toronto. 527 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: Yeah it's too many points, Yeah, it's too many points. 528 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: You can't. I don't see a way to justify the 529 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: Golden State's gonna come out here and win this game comfortably. 530 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't see how they do it. 531 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry has been remarkable in the finals. In two games, 532 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: such an interesting player, not anything like you would have expected. 533 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: Like if you only know the narrative of Kyle Lowry 534 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: as a guy who has spent five years choking in 535 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: the playoffs. He feels like in ways that Kauai isn't 536 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: the heartbeat of that team. The way he's playing defense, 537 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: the way he's body up on people like that is 538 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: setting the tone for this team and what they're doing 539 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: to keep the Warriors at bay. And the thing is 540 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: too with Lowry, his defense has been unreal. I mean, 541 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: the guy is leading the NBA and charges taken in 542 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: the postseason, but he hasn't had one of those games 543 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: yet where he goes off for seven or thirty and 544 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: you know he's going to have one or two of those, 545 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: and if he has one, I look to him in 546 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: Game three, because you're gonna be on the road, it's 547 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: gonna be loud, it's going to be a tough environment. 548 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: He's the guy who's got to step up early because 549 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: you know Kauai is going to do what he does. 550 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: But you don't want to depend on Pascal Siakim in 551 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: the first quarter of that game. You want Lowry to 552 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: be the guy there. He's got to be the dude 553 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: taking that shot when it comes around to him instead 554 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: of passing it up and you know, looking to move 555 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: the ball. He's got to take it like he's got 556 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: to be the guy to set up and step the tone, 557 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: step the tone. All right. So it's tied one one 558 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: home court advantage to the Warriors right now. Uh give 559 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: me you are taken. Who is the series? Toronto and seven? 560 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: Toronto and seven? Yeah, I think we leave Golden State 561 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: to too Game five. I don't know, it'll depend on Durant. 562 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: I don't know where Game five is gonna go yet, 563 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: but I think we're going seven. I think Toronto. Even 564 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: if Durant's back, you've got to figure this some level 565 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: of rust at some point. He's probably I'm not gonna 566 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: say probably, he's not going to be a hundred percent. 567 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: You don't know if you've got Clay at a percent. 568 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: Who the hell knows what's going on with Steph Curry. 569 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: He was not himself in that game and we never 570 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: really found out what was wrong, So we don't know 571 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: what's going on there. I think this has seven games 572 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: on it. I'm still going to Goling State. Yeah, I mean, 573 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: it's hard to pick against them, Golden State and seven 574 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: was plus five fifty when the series started. Man, you 575 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: got you got betterans on a sweep. Yeah, that's all right. 576 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: So we like go. You like Toronto in the series, 577 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: I like Golden State. I think we both like the 578 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: under I think we both like Toronto in Game three. 579 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: Anything else have to say, No, I think we're good. 580 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: This has been the Favorites podcast from the Action Network. 581 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: Downloaded on Apple Podcasts, radio, dot com, slash, the Action Network, 582 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: anywhere you listen to your podcast. I am Chad Melman. 583 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: He was black Jack Fletcher until next time. I Love you.