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Speaker 1: Now turning to the legal issues of the day, President

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Speaker 1: Trump lost on another immigration issue, as a federal judge

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Speaker 1: blocked rules requiring sanctuary cities to cooperate with the administration's

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Speaker 1: crackdown on undocumented immigrants in order to get federal grant money.

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Speaker 1: A Chicago federal judge ruled the Justice Department cannot withhold

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars in grants for public safety from cities

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Speaker 1: that refused to share with federal officials the immigration status

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Speaker 1: of suspects who are in custody. Chicago Mayor Raw Emmanuel

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Speaker 1: said the ruling was a clear statement that Trump's immigration

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Speaker 1: policy is wrong. It's an affirmation of the rule of law.

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Speaker 1: It's an assertion of our most fundamental American values, and

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Speaker 1: it's an unambiguous, clear rejection of the false choice that

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Speaker 1: the Trump Justice Department wanted Chicago to make between our values,

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Speaker 1: our principles, and our priorities. The ruling applies to cities

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Speaker 1: nationwide joining us as Ilia Sulman, professor at George Mason

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Speaker 1: University and nin Scalia Law School, Ill. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: a temporary ruling until the city's lawsuit against the Justice

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Speaker 1: Department is over. So how big a victory is it.

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty significant victory because even though technically the

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Speaker 1: ruling is just on a preliminary injunction until the case

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Speaker 1: is settled, the standard forgetting this preliminary ruling is based

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Speaker 1: on who is likely to succeed when the case is

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Speaker 1: fully resolved. So the judge in thing very much tipped

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Speaker 1: his hand on what he thinks about that. So at

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Speaker 1: least on two of the three issues involved, uh, it

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Speaker 1: seems very likely that the city will prevail when the

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Speaker 1: judge makes his final ruling. Well, Elliott, tell us, what

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Speaker 1: did the judge conclude in order to issue this injunction?

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Speaker 1: What was his reasoning? Sure? So, in order for the

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Speaker 1: federal government to set conditions on grant money that goes

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Speaker 1: to states or localities, the Supreme Court has wine said

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Speaker 1: that those conditions have to be imposed by Congress, and

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Speaker 1: they have to be clearly stated in the line question.

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Speaker 1: They can't just be ambiguously hidden somewhere, and unlike like

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Speaker 1: in this case, they cannot be made up by the

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Speaker 1: executive after the fact. So two of the three conditions

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Speaker 1: that the Trump administration wanted to impose, the judge ruled

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Speaker 1: they simply aren't there. In the law. They're simply ones

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Speaker 1: that Jeff Sessions, the Attorney General, wanted to impose, but

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Speaker 1: Congress never authorized it. The third condition, on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: the judge, through what I think is convoluted and flawed reasoning,

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Speaker 1: ultimately decided is likely imposed by the law. We can

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Speaker 1: talk about that in a moment if you like. But

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Speaker 1: at least he reaffirmed the very important principle that the

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Speaker 1: President and the Attorney General can't simply make up new

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Speaker 1: grant conditions after the fact. And that's a very important

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Speaker 1: statement that has significance that goes beyond this case, because

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Speaker 1: there are many other federal grant programs out there the

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Speaker 1: states and localities depend on, and if the administration could

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Speaker 1: just make up new conditions for grant recipients, they would have,

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Speaker 1: in a no mystic to wield over states and local governments,

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Speaker 1: and they would be able to circumvent Congress when they

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Speaker 1: wanted to. Well, we're talking about the ruling on Friday,

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Speaker 1: a federal judge in Chicago blocking Trump administration rules requiring

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Speaker 1: sanctuary cities to cooperate with the administration's cracked down on

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Speaker 1: undocumented immigrants in order to get federal grant money. Our

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Speaker 1: guest is Ilia Sulman, professor at George Mason University, antonin

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Speaker 1: Scalia Law School. Ilia. As part of finding for the

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Speaker 1: preliminary injunction, the judge found that Chicago and other cities

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Speaker 1: across the country would suffer irreparable harm if a preliminary

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Speaker 1: injunction was not entered. Explain what he what he found

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Speaker 1: as far as driving a wedge of distrust between the

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Speaker 1: immigrant community and the police. Sure so, UH if the

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Speaker 1: police and other state officials or local officials are required

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Speaker 1: to cooperate with federal efforts to depart undocumented migrants, that

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Speaker 1: will make it difficult for them to work with Hispanic

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Speaker 1: and other immigrant communities because people will fear the friends

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Speaker 1: or relatives of theirs might be deported if the if

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Speaker 1: they talked to the police, or the police run across them.

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Speaker 1: And therefore, police chiefs and officials in many cities around

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Speaker 1: the country have said that it's a very bad idea

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Speaker 1: to UH get local police involved in deportation efforts because

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Speaker 1: it will make communities distrust them and will lead people

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Speaker 1: to clam up UH and not cooperate with the police

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Speaker 1: and investigating other much more serious kinds of law breaking. Elia.

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Speaker 1: What were the rules that the Attorney General tried to

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Speaker 1: impose that the court said Congress hadn't authorized. There are

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Speaker 1: two of them. One is that UH, the Justice Department

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Speaker 1: wanted Department of Homeland Security officials to have access into

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Speaker 1: any state or local detention facility to determine the immigration

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Speaker 1: status of any aliens that might be held there. UH.

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Speaker 1: And the second one Wednesday, UH, they were supposed to

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Speaker 1: give the Department of Homeland Security forty eight hours noticed

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Speaker 1: before a jail or a prison releases a person for

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Speaker 1: whom uh DHS has sent over a detention request, so

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Speaker 1: that DHS could attract a person and UH snagged him

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Speaker 1: for potential deportation. Uh. Those are the two rules the

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Speaker 1: judge said Congress had not authorized and had not imposed

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Speaker 1: on grant recipients. Our thanks to Elias Simon of the

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Speaker 1: George Mason Scalia Law School for being our guest on

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg lat Today.