1 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: Hexam. 2 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: I'm Pennannie Stevens. We are hearing from head coach Doug 3 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: Peterson for the first time since free agency as the 4 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: NFL holds their annual league meetings in Orlando. We'll have 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: a live report a little later in the show as 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: John Oser checks in with us and tells us all 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: he's learned so far at the meetings. Brian Sexston is 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: here with me in studio. We also have a special guest. 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 2: We're going to start off with Big Thing one now, 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 2: been there and done that. In regards to those free agents, 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 2: a lot of them coming from winning teams, had coached. 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: Doug Peterson said that was kind of the goal in 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: who they were targeting. 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: This is the culture that I want to establish in Jacksonville. 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: And then this is the reason why you go get 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 3: guys like Mitch Morris and Eric Armsteads and the Darnell 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: Savages and the guys that have been to the postseason. 18 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: These guys have been captains on their team and you know, 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: they've been to Super Bowls, They've they've been to AFS 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: Championship games. 21 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 4: You know, so these guys know. 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 3: How to win, and that's the that's kind of the 23 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 3: influx of talent that we want to bring on to 24 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: this our young roster, the guys that have. 25 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: Been there, done that, been there and done that. 26 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: Brian, this is something we discussed a lot in the 27 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 2: off season, even the back end of last season. You're 28 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: setting a culture here, but you also want that winning 29 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: culture as well, and these guys know what that, know 30 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: what it means to win, you know. 31 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 5: Kyle, We've talked about it a lot since last November. 32 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 5: You remember when the Jaguars lost to the San Francisco 33 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 5: forty nine ers. It was a disheartening loss, thirty four 34 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 5: to three, and after the game, Doug Peterson said, we 35 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 5: haven't done anything yet. And the resounding thought from his 36 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 5: coaching staff, bringing Ryan Nielsen and all the guys they 37 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 5: assembled there to the free agents that they've brought in 38 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 5: has been about the quality of person and the quality 39 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 5: of their experience, whether they've been to Pro Bowls, Super Bowls, 40 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 5: been on winning teams. Doug has tried to reinvigorate his 41 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 5: locker room and his coaching staff with people of renown, 42 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 5: people who have gotten things done. So I'm going to 43 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 5: introduce you to somebody who got things done around here 44 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 5: for ten years, and you all know him. Jaguars center 45 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 5: Brandon Linder, now retire, joins US today. Hi Brandon, how 46 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 5: are you? I'm doing well and you are a spelt 47 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty pounds. You're getting it done at 48 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 5: home now. 49 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 6: I am yep, a lot of cardio and just eating 50 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 6: protein and veggies. 51 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 5: Do you miss the game? 52 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 4: Oh? 53 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, of course I miss it, but it 54 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 6: was time for me to move on, and I couldn't 55 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 6: be happier. 56 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 5: We're going to talk about what you're doing and what 57 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 5: you think of the Miller Electric Center. And by the way, 58 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 5: it was wow which we walked through it. But you 59 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 5: heard Doug. You know the guys that he brought in, 60 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 5: and you know some of them, Mitch Morris and Eric Armstead, 61 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 5: guys who have proven themselves on the field and off. 62 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 5: You've been in the locker room a lot. Give me 63 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 5: a perspective of what it means to bring guys like 64 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 5: that in. 65 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a real exciting to see that you guys signed. 66 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 6: Mitch Morris, heck of a player, great feet, very quick, 67 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 6: brings his hips on contact. You'll see that throughout the year. 68 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 6: Great in the past game, great in the run game. 69 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 6: So that I mean, and that's where it starts, right 70 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 6: at the center position. And he's a smart dude too, 71 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 6: so relaying the calls obviously he'll figure out the plays. 72 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 6: And then Eric Armstead, lengthy guy, has a heck of 73 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 6: a bull rush, can swim off of it, can go 74 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 6: under as well. So now you're just adding another tool 75 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 6: there in the d line. 76 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 5: Two guys like that who are accomplished come in and 77 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 5: have an impact in the locker room in terms of 78 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 5: their leadership style or because they're coming into it an 79 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 5: established team, is that more difficult. 80 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 6: No, I think when you come in as an established player, 81 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 6: you can definitely have an impact on the locker room. Right, 82 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 6: You've been other places, you've done it, you have a 83 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 6: resumeated show for so guys, especially younger guys, right, they're 84 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 6: going to look at that. They're going to lean on 85 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 6: those guys, so they can definitely have an impact right away. 86 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 5: The kay sounds like Doug Peterson's counting on that. 87 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: He sure is. 88 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: He's also counting on the fact that the way they 89 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: finished last year will motivate this team going forward. Our 90 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: second big thing is fuel to the fire, specifically talking 91 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: about cornerback Trevor Lawrence does. So we've been in touch 92 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: with them obviously in the and he feels like the 93 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: way they finished is going to motivate Trevor going forward. 94 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 7: Now he's playing meaningful games, he's playing he's taken the 95 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 7: last two years our team to the right there and 96 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 7: now we got to push through that and and so. 97 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: And now it bothers him. 98 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: That part bothers him, right, football bothers him. 99 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: And and that's a good thing. Brian. 100 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 2: We always talk about how Trevorson's very even keeled, but 101 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: Doug saying, you know, the way things finished got him bothered, 102 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: which is what you want to hear. You certainly don't 103 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: want to hear that he's fine with it. Will this 104 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: be the motivating factor. 105 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: For him going forward? 106 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 5: Well, it certainly seemed that way on the day that 107 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 5: they cleaned out their lockers at the end of last season, 108 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 5: just to look at his eye and my kids would say, 109 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 5: Trevor's chill, right, We'll get Brandon's thought on that. You know, 110 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 5: he's relaxed. He does it get too wound up. He's 111 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 5: he's level. But you could tell that day in the 112 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 5: locker room back in January that it was something that 113 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 5: bothered him. Brandon, you and I talked a lot about 114 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 5: Trevor in the last couple of months when we've connected. 115 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 5: You think his upside is incredible. How do you see 116 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 5: something like the last six games of last year when 117 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 5: nothing seemed to go right, taking a young player and 118 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 5: pushing him forward. 119 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean his upside's tremendous. And what happened last year, 120 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 6: you know that was a shame how it fell apart. 121 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 4: I have been a part of that, and it's not fun. 122 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 6: When I was with Trevor, I mean, he is so 123 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 6: invested in this team. All he wants to do is win. 124 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 6: That's all he's ever done in high school, college. So 125 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 6: you're going to see a guy that I believe. You know, 126 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 6: he's working, doing everything he needs to do this offseason, 127 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 6: and he's motivated. He's ready to come in and put 128 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 6: forth the effort like I know he's going to. And 129 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 6: it just it takes the right parts, and I think 130 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 6: I think they have it. I think they've gotten it, 131 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 6: especially in free agency. 132 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 5: Don't let me put words in me rout, but I 133 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 5: think you maybe said you thought twice about retiring because 134 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 5: you wanted the chance to play with this caliber of 135 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 5: a quarterback. 136 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 6: No, you're correct, and you know, I sometimes think, like man, 137 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 6: I wish my career would have aligned with Trevor's because 138 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 6: he is that special and you know that center quarterback connection, 139 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 6: it's it's a special connection. So yeah, I mean, I 140 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 6: definitely would have liked to have played more years with Trevor, 141 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 6: but that's not the case. 142 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 4: And that's all right. 143 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 5: We got enough good years with Blake, that's right. 144 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's one of my best friends to this. 145 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 5: Day, one of the fun guys we've had around Jacksonville 146 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 5: in the years. 147 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 4: Kay. 148 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: Our final big thing today is going to be position flexibility. 149 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: That was something Doug Peterson hammered home yesterday about being important, 150 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: whether it's in terms of free agents that they brought 151 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: in or who they're looking at in the draft. 152 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: You're starting to see more guys with position flexibility, you know, 153 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 3: just like you would offense a lineman, right. You know, 154 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: guards that can play center, tackles can play both sides. 155 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: You know, receivers you can move receivers around. I just 156 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: think it's a It just helps your overall team and 157 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: if you do have an injury at a position, you 158 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: can plug and play a guy. 159 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: Brian We saw a lot of musical chairs tally on 160 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 2: the offensive line last season. But there are players now 161 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 2: that they're bringing back they can play but multiple positions, 162 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: whether it's Ezra Cleveland or others. And also he's talking 163 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: about the defense, you know, bringing in a Darnell Savage 164 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: who can play different positions on defense, possibly with different schemes. 165 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: Is it more about having a good player that can 166 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: also play other positions or someone that's kind of decent 167 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: at everything. 168 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 5: Well, I'd like to have a really great player that 169 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 5: can do multiple things, but you'll take a good player 170 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 5: that can do that as well. And in particular, this 171 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 5: line of thought goes to Darnelle Savage and Antonio Johnson 172 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 5: because both guys can play nickel. In fact, Antonio Johnson's 173 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 5: a guy that's probably that big nickel that's more in 174 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 5: run support, but Savage can do that as well. We 175 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 5: have the perfect guy here in Brandon to talk about 176 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 5: positional flexibility because he came in as a rookie in 177 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 5: twenty fourteen and started at right guard. Kicked and domik ensues. 178 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 5: But if I recall in Week two against Miami and 179 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 5: that was Sue's debut with the Dolphins and he was 180 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 5: the highest paid free agent in history. Not to lay 181 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 5: that at your feet, but I remember the day. So 182 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 5: the value in being able to do multiple things, and 183 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 5: not just in terms of your contract, right, but in 184 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 5: terms of on the practice field, in the meeting rooms, 185 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 5: in a pinch, in a game. 186 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 4: Oh, that's everything. 187 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 6: And as a player, all you're trying to do is 188 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 6: add value, right, you want that next contract extension, You 189 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 6: want to start and have play as many years as 190 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 6: you can. 191 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 4: Right. 192 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 6: To do that, it's adding value to be able to 193 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 6: And I'm just going to speak on the offensive. Sure, 194 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 6: if you could play center, if you could play guard, 195 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 6: left guard, right guard, normally that's how you swing in 196 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 6: the inside and then tackle. If you can play both 197 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 6: sides and play them both at a high level, it's everything. 198 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 6: I mean, you can really add value to yourself and 199 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 6: you prolong your career in the NFL. 200 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 5: So we've talked a lot about Mitch Morse and they 201 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 5: didn't sign him to coming to be the backup. He's 202 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 5: going to come in and be the starter, which means 203 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 5: that now Luke Fortner has a chance to learn to 204 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 5: play a couple of different positions. How hard will it 205 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 5: be for him to go from playing center to learning guard. 206 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 5: Do you think he can be effective at that? 207 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course I could. I think he can be effective. 208 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 6: And it's funny like going from left guard to right guard. 209 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 6: It's not as easy as you would think because it's 210 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 6: a completely different stance, completely different mechanics, right, You got 211 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 6: to switch your brain. 212 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 4: But you can learn that. 213 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 6: You can develop that in the offseason, develop that in 214 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 6: o Ta's training camp. 215 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 4: That's what that's for. 216 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 5: So ky when you bring in a guy like Mitch 217 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 5: Morse and you take Luke Fordner and move him around, 218 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 5: he's got thirty three thirty four regular season starts underneath 219 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 5: his belt. Now you create depth as well as versatility, 220 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 5: which gives Phil Rousher even more to work with in 221 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 5: that offensive line room when we get started here in 222 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 5: a couple of weeks. 223 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: Maybe adding in the draft as well. So we'll talk 224 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 2: a little bit more offensive line a little later in 225 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: the show, but stay with us here on Jagzam. Coming 226 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: up after the break, we'll have a report from John 227 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: Oser at the league meetings. Jaguars Fans Europe at fanatics 228 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 2: dot com with all the latest Jag styles. You can 229 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 2: shop now and get today's special offers. Fanatics dot Com 230 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: officially licensed Everything seasons Welcome back to jag zam ozone. 231 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: Ditch just last week he his own vacation now was 232 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: ditch just again, but this time is a good reason. 233 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: He's at the annual League leading John. I know you 234 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: were there talking hearing from Doug yesterday. That's the first 235 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: time we've heard from him since free agency. So what 236 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: was kind of a tone from him and what was 237 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 2: the overall method from him. 238 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: I think what you guys led with with the top 239 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: was the uh, you know, the money quote, if you will, 240 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: uh talking about bringing in veteran guys. And I think 241 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: even more than the veteran guy thing, even more than 242 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: the guys who've been winning teams. He talked a little 243 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: when he talked about that, about the swagger, and I 244 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: think in the last six games the last season, he 245 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: looked around and wanted guys to take control of the 246 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: situation and win, and you know, there were times that 247 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: didn't happen. So I think guys like Eric Armstead, guys 248 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, the six of the players brought in from 249 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: Green Bay, the Ravens, the Bills, those teams have made 250 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: seventeen postseason appearances. Over the last five seasons. I think 251 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: he wants guys who are going to walk out and 252 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: expect to win rather than hope to win. And there's 253 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: a subtle difference there. But I definitely think the money 254 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: quote yesterday was about the swagger and about the need 255 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: to feel like you're gonna win late in the season. 256 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: That's the defining thing of the off season of me. John. 257 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 5: I saw a lot of chatter of people interpreting what 258 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 5: Doug said right. Doug is one of those guys that 259 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 5: if you read between the lines, he tells you a lot. However, 260 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 5: when the conversation got to wide receiver or offensive line 261 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 5: and where this team felt like they could still get better, 262 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 5: where they might need to add players, where the focus 263 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 5: might be on the draft, I felt like Doug was 264 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 5: all in on every position, wasn't telling anybody anything. Did 265 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 5: you hear something that I didn't? Was he leaning in 266 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 5: one direction about where this team still needs to get 267 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 5: better in April? 268 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: Not really. You get the feeling that they would like, 269 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: I think they have to get better at corner and 270 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: I don't think you know it wouldn't really ask specifically yesterday, 271 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: but they're still you feel like they have two guys 272 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: who with big time experience, big time pedigree. You feel 273 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: like they still got one more somewhere in the first 274 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: couple of days. Beyond that, I think they'd like to 275 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: get better at receiver, but don't want to force themselves 276 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: into that situation. Probably that's true at most positions, right So, 277 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: I didn't get the idea that they are targeting a 278 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: certain area the sweet spot in the middle of the 279 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: first round. It seems like receivers going to be their 280 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: offensive line is going to be there. I think Doug's 281 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: looking at it on the lines of if somebody drops 282 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: to us, if the situations there, we'd love to get better, 283 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: but we can line up, which is probably the way 284 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: you want to be right now going into the draft, John, we. 285 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: Got some ozone questions for you because you got to 286 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: check in obviously. At the league meetings they do some 287 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: of those rule changes. So our first one is about 288 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: the one they hold it on yesterday, the. 289 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: Hip drop tackle. 290 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 2: So how can rest possibly enforce this new hip drop 291 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: tackle rule when it's I mean, they try to enforce 292 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: a lot of things, so I'm sure they'll find a way, 293 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: but this one seems a little bit weird as a defender, 294 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: What are you allowed to do at this point? 295 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: Oh, they'll enforce it. I mean, it's whether it's quote 296 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 1: unquote fair. You know, my life's not fair, son, You 297 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: know so, I think that's what you're telling some of 298 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: the defenders right now. How do you avoid doing that? 299 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: I guess it's probably the same answer that you had 300 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: to give to safeties a few years back when you say, well, 301 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: how do you avoid hitting receiver in a certain way? Well, 302 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: you just do it, and in some cases that means 303 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: sort of giving up a little more on defense than 304 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: you want to. I don't think it's great for the 305 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: quote enjoyment of the game. I think you'll see some 306 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: clunkiness with it. I think defenders may be for things 307 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: they weren't fined for in the past. But this is 308 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: an era where the league has to continue to gear 309 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: toward player safety for numerous reasons. First of all, because 310 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: players should be kept safe. It's I can't sit here 311 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: and say that. I could look a defensive back or 312 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: a linebacker in the face and say, hey, the game's 313 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: getting easier for you. Now it gets harder, and it'll 314 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: be it'll be tough to adapt, but they'll enforce it. 315 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: I mean, they'll be penalties, and they'll be complaints, and 316 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: they'll be outrage on Twitter, because there's always out always 317 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: outrage on Twitter. 318 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 5: And I saw something as Twitter. It just a quick 319 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 5: thought on that. By the way, you know, remember when 320 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 5: they had to rule two years ago with the running 321 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 5: back and they were going to hit the running back 322 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 5: for lowering his head into contact. I haven't seen a 323 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 5: whole lot of that the last couple of years. You know, 324 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 5: every once in a while, when it's blatant, they'll call it, 325 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 5: and I remember there was a great hue and cry 326 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 5: about it. How in the world can you do that? 327 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 5: And they haven't over enforced that. My guess is is 328 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 5: that when it'll all boils down, there's gonna be some 329 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 5: really obvious hip drop tackles where guys get hurt, right 330 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 5: like the one with them the tight end from the 331 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 5: Ravens against the Bengals, and that wonder will be so obvious. 332 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 5: But I'm not sure that this is going to be 333 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 5: as cold as you think. 334 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: We'll see how it goes. But it's a new rule, 335 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: so they always love to enforce the newest rules. John 336 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: also hasn't officially been done yet. They've been talking about 337 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: it as of yesterday. Dug weighed in on it. But 338 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: the kickoff changes. They didn't see many returns at all 339 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: on kickoffs last year after they changed the rules, so 340 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: they're kind of allegedly going to tweak it. They haven't 341 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: voted on it yet. Do you think that'll go through 342 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: and how much will it change things? 343 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, they voted on it this morning and actually did 344 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: go through, So it seems like it's going to change 345 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: things a lot. And I saw somewhere it was called 346 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: one of the most significant rules change in NFL history. 347 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that, but it's it's going 348 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: to look different. I think the quote, I mean, I 349 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: think the stat was there were no kickoff returned to 350 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Some people about my old friend Pete Prisco, 351 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: who cares just to throw the ball in at the 352 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: twenty and line up. You know, I think you do 353 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: like to have kickoffs in the game. I think it 354 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: does add a level of excitement. This one's gonna be 355 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: interesting because if you kick it in a certain area, 356 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: they have to return it. If you don't kick a 357 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: certain area, you get the ball at the forty. It's 358 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: going to promote offense it's going to promote excitement. That's 359 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: what the league wants. It's definitely something to watch. It'll 360 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: keep some jobs open on special teams. It'll make it 361 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: more important, which I think matters to the NFLPA. So's 362 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: it's going to be a factor and and you're gonna 363 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: see that back in the game. I think you'll get 364 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: a few complaints from the old people like me. I'm 365 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm gona complain about it, but I'm an old person 366 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: that it. It's gonna look sort of clunky at first 367 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: because guys can't run at the on the kick. They 368 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: have to wait. So it's going to look different than 369 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: what some guy played in high school. Right, So it's 370 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: gonna ah, that's not football. But it'll promote the kickoff 371 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: return and it does seem to be a place where 372 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: they can find some middle ground with excitement and player safety. 373 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: And that's really the whole task of the league right now. 374 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: Last seven or eight years has been about trying to 375 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: make the game safer without losing the excitement, and this 376 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: is a move toward that. 377 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 5: For people who aren't familiar with it, just in round terms. Basically, 378 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 5: what they're going to do is have the kickoff coverage 379 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 5: team and the front line of the kickoff return team 380 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 5: line up five yards apart. Then they're not going to 381 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 5: be able to move until the ball is caught by 382 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 5: the return man. And as John mentioned, if you kick 383 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 5: it into the zone, then it will likely be returned. 384 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 5: If you don't kick it into that zone, then the 385 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 5: ball is twenty five yards up the field to the 386 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 5: forty yard line, so there's a penalty. They're really trying 387 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 5: to find a safe way to bring the kickoff back in. 388 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 5: I heard yesterday there was something like, oh, I don't know, 389 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 5: the forty five hundred kickoffs two years ago and then 390 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 5: last year when some rules changed, they dropped it to 391 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 5: thirteen hundred something like that. I mean, there's like a 392 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 5: third of the number of kickoffs returned in a third 393 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 5: of the number of yards, and they want to bring 394 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 5: it back. So you're going to see some of this 395 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 5: stuff showing up in stories when we have practice in OTAs. 396 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 5: As they practice it, it's not easy to envision because 397 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 5: it's completely different than anything we've seen in professional football. 398 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: That is going to be something to see for sure 399 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: when you explain it as physsically, what that's going to 400 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: look like when you're kind of frozen. 401 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: Until they get the football. 402 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 2: It's a completely different dynamic now. 403 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 5: Somebody that trust wrote that it's the biggest difference, Brandon 404 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 5: in terms of the visual of the game since they 405 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 5: moved the goalpost out of the front of the end 406 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 5: zone and moved them to the back, and that was 407 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 5: in like nineteen seventy two. 408 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's going to be interesting. I didn't even know 409 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 6: about the rule change. I'm hearing you explain that. 410 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 4: I don't know. 411 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 5: It's like, it's a little bit clunky, but it's they 412 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 5: think it's the way to save the kickoffs because the 413 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 5: league has been trying to minimize it's considered to be 414 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 5: the most dangerous play in football, right, I mean, statistically proven, 415 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 5: it has become the most dangerous playing football. So they've 416 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 5: been legislating it away in recent years with the you 417 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 5: know how they moved the kickoff up and all the 418 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 5: rules that have minimized the number of kickoff returns. This 419 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 5: is a way to sort of create something they think 420 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 5: will be safer and still give you the potential to 421 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 5: have that big play, field changing, game changing kind of moment. 422 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 2: John, I got one more last question for you before 423 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: we let you go. Do we have any idea what 424 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 2: they're doing with seventeen or are we still thinking corner? Are 425 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 2: we discussing still? 426 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: Oh and number seventeen in the draft. I continue to 427 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: figure it'll be corner because I look at the cornerback 428 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: situation and Darby and Campbell seem like, you know what 429 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: I would call resume pedigree. Guys, you know what they've done. 430 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: Beyond that, they have Christian braswell Tarek Brown, who they like. 431 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: I haven't been in the fire yet, so to me, 432 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: it feels like seventeen or corner at seventeen. I'm sorry. 433 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: At the same time, you can also take that in 434 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: round two, round three. So I think it's a corner 435 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: offensive line. I keep saying, I don't think it's receiver, 436 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: but that's also a possibility. Those would be the three 437 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: spots that I would guess, So I'll go either corner, 438 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: offensive line. But what do I know? 439 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 5: Depends on who's there, doesn't it. It always depends on who 440 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 5: might slide down the board and be there. 441 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: You know what, all, John, who's there, have a good 442 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: time in Orlando. We'll see you next week here on 443 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 2: Jags Am. 444 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: Stay here with us. 445 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 2: We're gonna check it with Brandon lend a little bit 446 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: more go over that offensive line and what he sees 447 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 2: out there. From Jack's stay with us, Move the freight, 448 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: Move the freight. Magell and Transport got the coolest office 449 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: space in Jacksonville. You can fly online at www dot 450 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 2: Magellan Logistics dot com. Welcome back to jag Zam here 451 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: in the Hyundai studios and we have our special guest, 452 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: Branding Linder here with us, who's center for the team 453 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 2: offensive line and for the team center for many years. 454 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 2: The offensive line last year was a bit of a 455 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 2: trouble spot for the Jaguars, to say the least. A 456 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 2: lot of injuries, a lot of you know, kind of 457 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: moving parts. Head coach Doug Peterson said he felt a 458 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: lot of the issues were the fact that they didn't 459 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: really have a set lineup. But offensive line, I mean, 460 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 2: injuries are going to happen no matter what. How hard 461 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: is it when you go out there and you don't 462 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: know who's going to be next to you? Is it 463 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: a lot different when there's different players and different positions 464 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: on every game? 465 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is different. 466 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 6: And I've been a part of years where the line 467 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 6: was like that, where continually revolving door. I've also been 468 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 6: a part of lines where we started together the whole year, 469 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 6: and you definitely want to be next to the guy. 470 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 6: I mean, yes, they're the backups. Can have that same 471 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 6: kind of you know, to lepathy where I don't even 472 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 6: have to say, like AJ can like was was you know, 473 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 6: I played with him forever. There would be things where 474 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 6: I could just literally look at him or get like 475 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 6: just make some sort of audible noise and he would 476 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 6: understand what I'm saying. Right, So it's it's everything to 477 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 6: have that type of cohesion with each other. But that's 478 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 6: not this But that's not an excuse. You know, everyone 479 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 6: still needs to rise to the occasion. 480 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: What was it like for you? 481 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 2: I know we talked a little bit about that transition 482 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 2: from position, especially in the NFL. Maybe you haven't played 483 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,239 Speaker 2: that position at all or in a long time, but 484 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 2: to kind of trans know that your role is now 485 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: a different position. Was that an easy transition for you? 486 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 6: It was just something that needed to be worked on. 487 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 6: I mean I started my first two years at right guard, 488 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 6: and I had played center in high school and in college, 489 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 6: and in college I moved from right guard to right tackle, 490 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 6: so I had that kind of you know, experience at 491 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 6: that But no, it was just taking the off season, 492 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 6: you know, learning how to snap at an efficient rate, 493 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 6: and then you know center, you know, iding the front 494 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 6: insideing the mike linebackers, you know, kind of taking the 495 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 6: calls and spreading him down the line. 496 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 4: So it was just that kind of change. 497 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 5: How hard is it if you're the quarterback and you 498 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 5: have Cam Robinson, you know, gone for four games, and 499 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 5: then he's in for eight games. Then he's gone for 500 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 5: four games. Right, he had four different starting left guards. 501 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 5: I mean, to be fair to Luke Fortner who struggled 502 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 5: last year, but he had constant turn over next to him. 503 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 4: How about the quarterback? 504 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 5: You know, when things didn't go well last year, he 505 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 5: didn't point fingers, but it had to be tough on him. 506 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he'll never point fingers, but not knowing 507 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 6: who is going to be playing on Sunday at that position, 508 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 6: you might not think it or say it, but in 509 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 6: the back of his head when he's dropping back, you know, 510 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,959 Speaker 6: to pass, and he's going through his progressions making his reads, 511 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 6: there might be a little thing in the back of 512 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 6: his head like what's going on over here at the 513 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,239 Speaker 6: left side. Right, do I need to float drift more 514 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 6: more over to the right. So yes, if everyone can 515 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 6: stay together, that's the best case. But again you have 516 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 6: to adjust teams. 517 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 2: Ring and Mitch Morse, you know who's in Kansas City 518 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: and Buffalo for a while, a veteran presence. What does 519 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: that do for a quarterback to have somebody you know 520 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: coming in really commanding in the center and has been there, 521 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: done that. 522 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Then they're done that. 523 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 6: You know, he has the experience, he can you know, 524 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 6: he'll learn the plays, he'll learn the calls very easily, 525 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 6: and then they'll they'll create a bond together and. 526 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 4: And they'll you know, I'm sure they'll win a bunch 527 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,239 Speaker 4: of games, which is exciting to see. And that's what 528 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 4: you hope happens. 529 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 5: How long does it take to form that that bond center? 530 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 5: So he had you as a rookie, and then he 531 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 5: had looke forward to the last two years. Now he's 532 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 5: got Mitch Morse going into his fourth year. Is he 533 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 5: old had enough to be able to do that quickly? 534 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 5: Or is that something that we're going to watch evolve 535 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 5: over the course of the season. 536 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 6: I mean it takes an off season, you know, OTAs 537 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 6: and by camp. Yeah, by and then by camp you're flowing, 538 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 6: and then by the season you should be hitting on 539 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 6: all cylinders. And then guess what, that next year is 540 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 6: going to be even better in the year after that, and. 541 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: You know, so it's a be a good one. 542 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 2: We saw some young talent in Anton Harrison. He was 543 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 2: one of the bright spots. Certainly last year at right 544 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: tackle to come didn't have that much success, is it. 545 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: When you came in? 546 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 2: I wasn't here, so please fill me in a little bit. 547 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 2: But did you feel like you had some anchor points 548 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 2: to kind of work off when you got here? Did 549 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: you feel like you learned as you went along? Was 550 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: there some lineman that kind of coached you along the way? 551 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: Well? 552 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 6: Actually, when I got here, there wasn't very many. You know, 553 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 6: it was not a veteran group. Yeah, it was not 554 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 6: a veteran group. You know, there was a Beatles that 555 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 6: left guard. I leaned on him a lot, but it 556 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 6: was not a veteran group. So it was kind of 557 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 6: like thrown into the fire. And I was starting since 558 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 6: day one and kind of just figuring it out. But 559 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 6: like I told Brian, you know, off air, like there 560 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 6: was guys that I leaned on like paulpaz Lusny and 561 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 6: Mercedes Lewis, you know how to be professionals, what it 562 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 6: looked like, and just modeled, modeled my game in my 563 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 6: career after them, even though they were different positions, but 564 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 6: just how I went about my business. 565 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 4: So yeah, just thrown to the fire and I came 566 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 4: out all right. 567 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 5: Well, and look, Gus Bradley did not have a great 568 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 5: record as the head coach here, but I liked his 569 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 5: mentality about you have to be in order to be 570 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 5: a great teammate, you had to be a great individual. 571 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 5: You had to come to work every day, the idea 572 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 5: that it was on you to be your best and 573 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 5: not to worry, not to make it be about a 574 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 5: veteran guy next to you or someone else. It was 575 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 5: all about you coming in the door every day, focused 576 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 5: entirely on being the best Brandon Linder you could be. 577 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 6: Yes, I mean again, this is a team sport, right, 578 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 6: this is the Jacksonville Jaguars. But at the end of 579 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 6: the day, I'm an individual business, right, Each player is 580 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 6: an individual business. As soon as you're not as soon 581 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 6: as you're not performing or you're getting paid too much, 582 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 6: they're gonna they're gonna move on from you. So you 583 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 6: have to do everything you can, as Brandon Linder, as 584 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrence, to go out there and put put put 585 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 6: the best film out there, because that's that's your resume, 586 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 6: that's what they're looking at, and that's how you play 587 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 6: a long time in the league, and that's how you 588 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 6: can stay with the team for a while, and that's 589 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 6: how you can sign, you know, a contract extension. 590 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 5: When you have a locker room full of guys who 591 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 5: come in every day wanting to be the best version 592 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 5: of themselves, willing to work harder, willing to stay longer, 593 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 5: willing to eat the right thing and do the right 594 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 5: thing in terms of recovery and study, well, then you've 595 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 5: got something, right. I mean, they have to be good players, right. 596 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 5: We learned we didn't have enough good players when Guss 597 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 5: was trying to implement that philosophy. But had we had 598 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 5: enough good players. I think that philosophy is how it 599 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 5: works in. 600 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 6: Today's Yeah, and then that becomes part of the culture. 601 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 6: I mean that then you know you see other guys 602 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 6: doing it, well, I need to do that, all right. 603 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 6: It's it's contagious, right, And that's and I think in 604 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 6: seventeen when we had that success. 605 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 4: We had a lot of good players. 606 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, but you saw guys doing that and that's that's 607 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 6: what it takes to win, setting that standard. 608 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: Stay with us here on jag Zam. Brand is gonna 609 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 2: catch us up on what he's been up to and 610 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: we'll look ahead here on Jagsam. Jags fans joined us Tuesday, 611 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 2: April sixteenth, from six thirty to eight thirty at EverBank 612 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 2: Stadium for the Beat inspired by JAG's Jobs event that's 613 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: presented by the Florida Lottery. You can register now at 614 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 2: Jaguars dot com slash Bright Futures. Back hereon Jack Zam, Brandon, 615 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us today. It's been 616 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 2: really nice to get your perspective. Thing. 617 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 5: It is too bad that you weren't here when Brandon 618 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 5: was playing. He was the most challenging interviewer interviewee in 619 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 5: the locker room. Well because he was focused. I mean, 620 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 5: now that he's retired, he'll tell you he was so 621 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 5: focused on what he had to do next. But it 622 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 5: was like, Brand, do you have time to talk? What 623 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,479 Speaker 5: do you want sext? And what do you mean? 624 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 4: Well? 625 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 6: I was just going from one thing to next, right, 626 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 6: I come off the practice field. Then it was a 627 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 6: cool downstretched ice tubs, gotta get my food, the meetings. 628 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 6: To me, I didn't have time for this, right I'm 629 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 6: trying to do everything I can to help the team win. 630 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 5: He was trying to be the best version of himself, 631 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 5: which is it's part of the relationship that you build. 632 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 5: You kind of understand to give him his room. But 633 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 5: as you've heard, the reason I wanted to hear from 634 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 5: him was because he always had something good to say 635 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 5: when I could stop him, but he was always so 636 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 5: focused on it. So last year we did Jags All Access, 637 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 5: Brandon came back up into town and we reconnected. I've 638 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 5: worked on a story for the Jags Legends alumni and 639 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 5: Brandon is up here today and I said, will you 640 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 5: do it? 641 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, because you want to do some of this, right, Yeah, 642 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 6: I do, and I want to. I want to be 643 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 6: a part of this community. I want to be a 644 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 6: part of this organization. I mean, I love Jacksonville. I 645 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 6: mean that that was a strategic plan my part two 646 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 6: to retire a Jaguar. There hasn't been many lifers. I 647 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 6: I plan on living here my whole life. I mean, 648 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 6: I love Jacksonville. So yeah, I want to I want 649 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 6: to be a part of it. I want to get 650 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 6: back in the organization, you know, part of the community 651 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 6: still doing stuff, which I'm actually here also to talk 652 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 6: about next year we're going to be doing a fishing tournament, 653 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 6: which start start figuring out the logistics of that. But 654 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 6: you know, affiliated with the Jaguars and and you know, 655 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 6: bringing awareness to a great cause. 656 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 5: Guess who one of his best boys was when he 657 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 5: was here, Punter Logoman, Oh Jean out doorsman of the day, 658 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 5: and probably the punter too. I mean, anybody who would 659 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 5: hunt fish, you would be offshore fishing, you'd be out 660 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 5: in the woods hunting. 661 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 4: Yep. 662 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, Logan Cook, you have a great friend of mine 663 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 6: and Jeff, my rookie year. Uh he heard that I 664 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 6: that I like to hunt and fish and so that yeah, 665 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 6: I think it was your tas we started talking and 666 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 6: from there, Yeah, that that relationship bloomed. 667 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 5: Now ask him about his wife, because watch him beam 668 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 5: from side to side. 669 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: Yes, tell us about your wife. 670 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: Why not? 671 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, No, she's she's amazing. She's in residency right now. 672 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 6: I'm gonna be an orthopedic surgeon, and that's kind of 673 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 6: why I'm not living here in Jacksonville for right now, 674 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 6: but roughly three years we'll be back up here. 675 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 4: And uh and you know, calling this home. 676 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 6: But she's incredible, she's finishing out her five year residency. 677 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,719 Speaker 4: And then and then yeah, orthopedic surgeon. Wonderful, it's amazing. 678 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: We love a power couple. 679 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: That's so exciting. Brandon, thank you for joining us today. 680 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 2: We hope to have you back soon and we love 681 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: your insights, so we'll hopefully see you in a couple 682 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 2: of weeks. 683 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for having us all right, that's dagsam. 684 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 2: We'll see you guys next week