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Speaker 1: Al Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Kaben Here. I'm Andrew Sage from the UTUE channel.

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Speaker 3: Andrewism and today you will be shedding light on a

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Speaker 3: recently popular discussion on the problems with modern cities and

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Speaker 3: more specifically the growing absence of third places. Now love

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Speaker 3: them or hate them, cities are here to stay and

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Speaker 3: if you spend any time on urban plan and YouTube,

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Speaker 3: or really just looked around, you know they have some issues.

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Speaker 3: Traffic congestion is a big one, a notorious nemesis of

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Speaker 3: modern cities, stemming from increased population, poort uban planning, and

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Speaker 3: excessive vehicle usage, creating a big waste of time and

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Speaker 3: streaming our well being. There are also issues of physical

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Speaker 3: and mental health among city inhabitants.

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Speaker 2: The environmental impact of luban areas can be quite terrible.

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Speaker 2: Housing issues seem to be globally hellish, but still be

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Speaker 2: People flock to cities because that's where the opportunities are.

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Speaker 2: Hence the growth of slums and the overall straining infrastructure

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Speaker 2: like utilities and transportation, and the functionality of cities, many

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Speaker 2: of which are currently well above their capacity. Of course,

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Speaker 2: many of these issues just don't touch the wealthy in

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Speaker 2: the same way. Within the city's gleaming skyscrapers lie stock

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Speaker 2: disparities and income access to resources and opportunities. I for

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Speaker 2: another issue, more relevantile discussionaire. In the midst of a crowd,

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Speaker 2: even dwellers often grapple with feelings of loneliness and disconnection.

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Speaker 2: The paradox are being surrounded by people yet feeling totally alone.

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Speaker 2: In a seminar work, The Great Good Place, published in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, American sociologist Ray Olenberg presents a captivator

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Speaker 2: notion for a balance and fulfilling life, a harmony among

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Speaker 2: the three spheres, the home, of the workplace, and the.

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Speaker 4: Realm of third places.

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Speaker 2: These third places encompass inclusive social settings crucial for community

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Speaker 2: bonding and foster and meaningful interactions. Now, as for what

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Speaker 2: qualifies a third place, common examples come to mind cafes, pubs, stoops, parks. However,

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Speaker 2: not every cafe, pubs, stupa park captures the essence of

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Speaker 2: a true third place as Oldenburg described it. Historically, their

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Speaker 2: places have been a powerful force in shaping the course

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Speaker 2: of revolutions and cultural movements. During the American Revolution, the

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Speaker 2: tavern was a vital health of political discourse. In the

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Speaker 2: French Revolution, the cafe was a crucial meeting place for

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Speaker 2: the revolutionary, intelligentia and common people. During the Enlightenment, coffeehouses

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Speaker 2: in London assumed a central role in foster and the

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Speaker 2: intellectual and cultural transformation of society, and during the Harlem Renaissance,

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Speaker 2: third places could be found in theaters, churches, jazz cafes

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Speaker 2: and more, servin as vital he events for African American musicians, writers, intellectuals,

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Speaker 2: the source to develop and celebrate cultural identity. Oldenberg outlines

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Speaker 2: eight key characteristics that define the allure of these communal spaces.

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Speaker 2: He takes a rather strict approach, and this is key,

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Speaker 2: emphasizing that his description excludes the maturity of venues even

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Speaker 2: if they exhibit some of these defining traits. And I

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Speaker 2: suppose you can argue with that, but I think that's

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Speaker 2: equival I've had with the discussions about third places because

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Speaker 2: people seem to be more infatuated with the vague idea

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Speaker 2: of them and not so much interested in what the

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Speaker 2: term has actually been coined to describe. See end with

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Speaker 2: people label in all sorts of spaces, clubs, and organizations

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Speaker 2: third places, even if they don't fit the criteria. At

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Speaker 2: this point, the Internet has seemingly lost the plot on

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Speaker 2: third places and it's taken a life on its own

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Speaker 2: independent of what Oldenburg intended. But he's dead. His book

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Speaker 2: is still around, but I don't think a lot of

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Speaker 2: people have read it. But I did in preparation for this,

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Speaker 2: and so we'll tell them some of those characteristics now.

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Speaker 4: For one, a third place lies on neutral ground.

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Speaker 2: No one is expected to play host for the others,

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Speaker 2: no one is obligated to be there, and people are

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Speaker 2: comfortable and free to come and go as they please.

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Speaker 2: Three places are spaces where people can jest, be where

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Speaker 2: you can where opportunities can exist for fraternization in a

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Speaker 2: safe public setting that car be found in the privacy

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Speaker 2: of the home or the professional boundary of the workplace.

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Speaker 4: A space where a variety.

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Speaker 2: Of relationships can blossom, including the ones that don't go

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Speaker 2: any deeper than friendly public encounters.

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Speaker 4: Secondly, the third place is a level in place.

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Speaker 2: It requires no formal criteria for membership in places, no

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Speaker 2: emphasis on one's social status, and provides the possibility for

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Speaker 2: people of a variety of backgrounds and experiences to associate

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Speaker 2: on the merit of their personality alone. Within third places,

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Speaker 2: people can find friendships with those who, under ordinary circumstances,

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Speaker 2: never cross paths. The third characteristic of a third place

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Speaker 2: is there's a place in which conversation is meant to

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Speaker 2: be the main activity.

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Speaker 4: It does not have to be the only activity.

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Speaker 2: For example, card games or pool or dominoes make for

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Speaker 2: an excellent social lubricant, but the space should be comfortable

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Speaker 2: enough to facilitate pleasurable, lighthearted, and entertaining conversation. Now, it

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Speaker 2: is that difficult to create a space that can facilitate

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Speaker 2: good conversation, but it's also easy to ruin the flow

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Speaker 2: of good conversation. Music, personal screens, ecosistical people. They can

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Speaker 2: all be quite ruinous to the social energy that a

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Speaker 4: Fourthly, third places need to be open and readily accessible.

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Speaker 2: That means being accessible in the sense of being in

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Speaker 2: a convenient location and open whenever the demons is lowliness,

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Speaker 2: mportant strike, or when the depressures and frustrations of the

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Speaker 2: day call for relaxation.

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Speaker 4: A mid good company.

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Speaker 2: In other words, third places are available when people need

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Speaker 2: them to be. Now, the form of accessibility that will

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Speaker 2: in build iscribes is not the form of accessibility that

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Speaker 2: Disability Justice advocates five for, and that is one of

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Speaker 2: the quibbles that I have with Rosenberg's conception of third

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Speaker 2: places that are get into later.

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Speaker 4: Next.

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Speaker 2: Third places are given their appeal by their regulars, who

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Speaker 2: help set the mood of the space and provide a

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Speaker 2: welcoming environment for newcomers. Every regular was once a newcomer,

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Speaker 2: and the acceptance of newcomers is essential to there sustained vitality

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Speaker 2: of the third place. Sixth, third places keep a low profile.

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Speaker 2: They're not exclusive, extravagant, potentious to overly fancy. They're usually

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Speaker 2: openly advertised, and they seem to be older places with

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Speaker 2: a sort of a modest or even CD atmosphere. They're

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Speaker 2: certainly not tourist traps. Seventh, and we're almost done. Third

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Speaker 2: places have a playful mood. It will go to third

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Speaker 2: places for the banter and the laughter, not tension and hostility.

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Speaker 2: So that's what the space is set up to encourage.

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Speaker 4: See number eight.

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Speaker 2: Third places are meant to be home away from home,

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Speaker 2: offering a sense of intimacy, regeneration, and community that puts

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Speaker 2: people at ease in a warm and friendly atmosphere. So

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Speaker 2: to summarize, third places exist on neutral ground, function as

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Speaker 2: equalizers or social stallus. Provide an environment where conversations are

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Speaker 2: the center, keep a low profile, are open and accommodating,

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Speaker 2: have an essence shape by their regulars, characterized by playfulness

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Speaker 2: and a sense of home away from home. Third places,

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Speaker 2: with their unique characteristics, present an array of advantages. There

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Speaker 2: are only enhanced individual social and conversational skills, but also

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Speaker 2: foster a sense of genuine connection and belonging within the community.

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Speaker 2: Third places are arrested for the monot need daily life

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Speaker 2: under the weight of modern capitalism. They inject much needed

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Speaker 2: novelty into our routines, often a diverse and free flow

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Speaker 2: in atmosphere that stands apart from the rigidity of our

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Speaker 2: daily grind.

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Speaker 4: They are a bond for.

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Speaker 2: Emotional wellbeing, a spiritual tonic and the loss that's happen

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Speaker 2: to our creative and expressive selves. Crucially, third places offer

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Speaker 2: what Oldenburg coined as friends by the set. They provide

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Speaker 2: convenience spaces for social gatherings, offering routine and reliable interactions

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Speaker 2: with a diverse array of individuals both casually and intimately,

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Speaker 2: without the hassle of scheduling meetups. Unfortunately, third places kind

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Speaker 2: of fell off in many areas, obviously not everywhere, but

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Speaker 2: especially in places where American style urban sprawl and suburbia

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Speaker 2: has proliferated. I've been describing the characteristics and benefits and

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Speaker 2: historical potency of these spaces, but I've only gotten small

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Speaker 2: tastes of some of these myself and for a lot

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Speaker 2: of people, I think, particularly of my generation. Besides, perhaps

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Speaker 2: the approximate experience of a college common room, third places

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Speaker 2: are a distant cultural memory, not a lived experience. So

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Speaker 2: Oldenburg basically asks what's up with that? And, according to him,

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Speaker 2: the blame for this spanisional falls squarely on the suburbs.

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Speaker 2: These sprawl and enclaves prioritized private abodes over public spaces,

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Speaker 2: perfatuating and isolated narrative that confines the good life within

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Speaker 2: individual homes and yards. Suburban designs, often imposed by distant developers,

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Speaker 2: stifle community connections. Few opportunities exist within them for organic

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Speaker 2: social interaction beyond your immediate neighbors. The car centric layout

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Speaker 2: further thoughts the revival of the placers, as reliance and

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Speaker 2: cars diminishes chances and counters, and informal gathering spots along

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Speaker 2: daily routes, fostering a culture of detachment among neighbors. But

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Speaker 2: it's not just the suburbs suffering this issue. Urban environments

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Speaker 2: too have succumbed to efficiency and profit sacrifice in space

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Speaker 2: for genuine human connection. Standardized franchise chains dominate eras in

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Speaker 2: the character and charm that encourage communal interaction, replacing it

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Speaker 2: sterile environments. And technology hasn't exactly aided third places either,

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Speaker 2: as the alert of the Internet has been a substitute

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Speaker 2: for real life interaction that tends to.

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Speaker 4: Keep people indoors.

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Speaker 2: Sure, you can see the Internet as the frontier for

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Speaker 2: new third places, and in some ways they are, but

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Speaker 2: not quite in the same way. And of course, I

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Speaker 2: mean unless qual its out, even though Wordenberg doesn't. Capitalism

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Speaker 2: plays a significant role in the decline of third places.

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Speaker 2: Work life imbalances leave scant time for social engagements to

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Speaker 2: relentless cmercialization, prioritization of public spaces, gentrification, close intraditional hubs,

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Speaker 2: and profit driven urban designs all contribute to this decline.

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Speaker 4: The disappearance of third places.

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Speaker 2: Isn't an accident of history, but a consequence of our

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Speaker 4: And systemic pressures.

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Speaker 2: So all those ideas have been catched on a lot lately,

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Speaker 2: especially with younger generations. Like I said, it's this distant

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Speaker 2: yet learned cultural memory for obvious reasons, though things kind

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Speaker 2: of suck right now, and a lot of people are

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Speaker 2: taken a half understood grasp of the concept and running

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Speaker 2: wild with it, Like for example, I will see some

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Speaker 2: people like just Blankets applying the.

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Speaker 4: Internet as the new third place.

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Speaker 2: And while there are corners of the Internet that do

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Speaker 2: approximate that experience, and I recognize the potential of virtual

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Speaker 2: spaces such as discord to embody the characteristics of third places,

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Speaker 2: I fully believe that virtual third places lack the tangible

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Speaker 2: elements inherent in traditional spaces that are essential for fostering

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Speaker 2: deep emotional connections and empathy that are fighter for healthy

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Speaker 2: community life. These social media platforms, particularly sites like Twitter,

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Speaker 2: often lack the authenticity and nuanced communication present and face

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Speaker 2: to face interactions. That's by design, of course, Twitter thrives

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Speaker 2: on conflict. That's why I'm not there anymore. But it's

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Speaker 2: all too easy on sites like those the miss interpret

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Speaker 2: intentions or to use anonymity for negative interactions like cyber.

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Speaker 4: Bullion, trolling, or online harassment.

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Speaker 2: In real life, trolls get kicked out, bulliers, in some

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Speaker 2: cases are dealt with people who are harassing people also

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Speaker 2: tend to get kicked out, but online all those things

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Speaker 2: often run rampant. Moreover, the permanents of online interactions can

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Speaker 2: hinder the relaxed vulnerability often experience in traditional spaces, as

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Speaker 2: everything is recorded, which makes trust easier to breach.

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Speaker 4: But despite my critique of how.

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Speaker 2: Some people have been run in with the term third places,

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Speaker 2: I think the actual book and its concepts do deserve

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Speaker 2: furtherest rutiny, and in my view, articalization will in book's

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Speaker 2: idea of the whole in the workplace. In the third

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Speaker 2: place is a sort of a pecking order. It also

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Speaker 2: really sidelines domestic labor as like not really work as

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Speaker 2: if it's separate from the workplace, And I also don't

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Speaker 2: like the idea of work being prioritized over like essential

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Speaker 5: I think there's also the interesting aspect now that for

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Speaker 5: a lot of people like myself included, working home are

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Speaker 5: now the same spot and there is. Ever since the pandemic,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, pre industrialization. I think especially that idea also

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Speaker 2: You know, the first and the second place, the home

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Speaker 2: for sure. I think another major oversighting Oldenbook's work is

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Speaker 4: Historical and contemporary three places.

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Speaker 2: You know, these spaces have been predominantly male dominated or

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Speaker 2: So I think if three Places words make a resurgence,

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Speaker 4: I don't think a community.

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Speaker 2: Space, a space that is to be sent that is

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Speaker 4: They kind of have to buy something in all of

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Speaker 2: A lot of the places are alcohol oriented, which is

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Speaker 2: geographical barriers, uniting people from diverse backgrounds, locations, fostering connections

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Speaker 2: then I see people criticize them, saying, oh, well, I

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Speaker 2: prefer to just stay at home. I don't really like

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Speaker 4: And that's cool.

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Speaker 2: You know, third places shouldn't be the sole remedy or

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Speaker 4: For social ills.

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Speaker 2: Preferences will, of course vary, and not everyone finds cafes

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Speaker 2: the envisions collective grounds, common grounds where individuals not only

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Speaker 2: the typical lightheartedness associated with third places. They wield the

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Speaker 2: rallying spots for union activities, and nurturing ground for mutual aid,

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Speaker 2: a nucleus of community driven change. But what setige radical

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Speaker 2: spaces apart is not just the accessibility in location, operating hours,

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Speaker 2: Imagine that's not just a space away from home, but

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Speaker 4: Fostering community into creation.

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Speaker 2: As for how we bring these radical three places to life,

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Speaker 4: Formerly a theater.

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Speaker 2: It was transformed into a political and cultural hub by

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Speaker 4: Achieved that place through squatting.

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Speaker 2: And squatting is risky revolutionary, but it isn't the only

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Speaker 2: really like the idea of camera where the same comes from.

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Speaker 1: But it's.

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Speaker 4: Gorilla urban planning.

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Speaker 2: You know, painting lines on the pavement for bike paths,

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Speaker 2: you know, reclaiming the sidewalk, claiming spaces in your neighborhood,

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Speaker 2: It's really about, you know, co creating our environment. It's

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Speaker 2: not merely accepting what's imposed upon us. Reformist strategies in

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Speaker 2: instances like these can have their merits.

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Speaker 4: They don't exactly advance revolution, but.

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Speaker 2: You know, advocating for walkable neighborhood to improve public transportation

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Speaker 2: doesn't you know, it doesn't hoot. But the crooks remain,

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Speaker 2: you know, these actions, these pushing, this effort to push

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Speaker 2: But the crux remains, you know, empowering people to manage

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Speaker 2: uncare and autocrats. The decline of third places might not

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Speaker 2: be catastrophic, but until we recognize and harness our power

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Speaker 2: to lack of vibrancy. I think we have to acknowledge

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Speaker 4: All power to all the people. This is Andrew, This

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