Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 3: Welcome to and that's what you really miss podcasts whoa
Speaker 3: special special special Okay, we were returning guest, but yes,
Speaker 3: but her episode never aired when we recorded it back
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty for multiple reasons. She talked about it
Speaker 3: on her show and said it's her Roman Empire that
Speaker 3: she like came on the show and then her episode
Speaker 3: kind of got scrapped for multiple reasons.
Speaker 2: When we scrapped the whole podcast in general, we stopped it.
Speaker 2: We shut down the podcast.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: So and I had passed away and we hadn't aired
Speaker 3: her podcast yet, her episode yet, and then you know,
Speaker 3: we took a pause and scrapped the whole thing. And
Speaker 3: you know, obviously, you know we've come back in a
Speaker 3: big way and we had to have her back.
Speaker 1: So here is Claude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's the ultimate leak. They do a show every
Speaker 3: single day. It's the toast PhD in pop culture and
Speaker 3: you don't want to missus convo. She knows the show
Speaker 3: better than we do.
Speaker 2: Here's Claudia.
Speaker 4: Welcome back. Oh I'm so excited. Thank you guys so
Speaker 4: much for having me again. We're so happy to have you, like,
Speaker 4: it's about time the world heard my thoughts, ugly, and it's.
Speaker 1: A it's been a minute. It's been almost what four years,
Speaker 1: It has been four years.
Speaker 4: Since we recorded that episode, and I've probably rewatched I
Speaker 4: rewatched it at least once since then. And I just
Speaker 4: restarted again like a month ago, me and Ben and
Speaker 4: so I have some fresh thoughts.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh thank god. And what people need to know is,
Speaker 2: you know a lot of people like came to the
Speaker 2: show during the pandemic because of TikTok. Yes, you've never
Speaker 2: not been there in the.
Speaker 4: In the words of Taylor Swift, I'm right where you
Speaker 4: left me, like I never left. I'm still at the restaurant.
Speaker 4: I watched it live in high school, like I was
Speaker 4: really the same age as a lot of the characters,
Speaker 4: and I have rewatched it, probably in full. But the
Speaker 4: crazy thing is, and I find that this actually happens
Speaker 4: a lot with people who like rewatch shows. I have
Speaker 4: never seen the final episode of Clay. I couldn't bring
Speaker 4: myself to watch it. Now I've seen like clips on
Speaker 4: social media, so I know that like spoiler, literally Michelle
Speaker 4: wins Tony like, but I never watched, Like I just
Speaker 4: couldn't bring myself like it's too final wowing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you think you'll ever watch it?
Speaker 4: Honestly at this rate, I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I would, right, you may as well, it's like, yeah, not,
Speaker 3: it's a great episode.
Speaker 4: I'm sure I know I would cry.
Speaker 1: Did you watch two thousand and nine?
Speaker 4: What does that mean? Too?
Speaker 1: So there's it's like a two parter, right Kevin, And
Speaker 1: it's like, so then I haven't seen.
Speaker 4: Either of them, Like I never saw the finale. Isn't
Speaker 4: that crazy?
Speaker 1: You should watch I know the beginning part.
Speaker 2: I forget to be honest, which one is because they
Speaker 2: swapped how we filmed them?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Really, well, we were filming sort of both at the
Speaker 2: first time, and I think originally two thousand and nine
Speaker 2: was to be the finale and then they do you
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 4: It is like every time I rewatch it, and when
Speaker 4: we get to the New York era, like I find
Speaker 4: myself like wanting to watch it less, like it doesn't
Speaker 4: like when once they're out of the classroom and then
Speaker 4: all those kids in the Glee Project came in, Like
Speaker 4: I it didn't flap in the way that the original
Speaker 4: show did, and so I found myself less motivated soil.
Speaker 4: Every time I get to like seasons five and six
Speaker 4: in my rewatch, I'm like, I'm pulling out of remote less. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: It's a different show. It feels different, it looks different.
Speaker 4: And let me just be clear, Like if I was
Speaker 4: allowed at the time to have tried out for the
Speaker 4: Glee Project, like I would have, like I could see
Speaker 4: a world in which I was on the Glee Project,
Speaker 4: like that you understand, Like I was so obsessed with
Speaker 4: this show, and like I still am. And it's so
Speaker 4: crazy because I'm really not like a theater kid. I
Speaker 4: find like a lot of my peers, the Gleeks, grew
Speaker 4: up theater kids, and it's like a very theater kid.
Speaker 1: Coach where you are makes sense, and I'm really not.
Speaker 4: I didn't do like theater or choir anything growing up.
Speaker 4: I just like absolutely love to sing and be the
Speaker 4: center of attention. So I guess in that sense, I
Speaker 4: I'm a theater.
Speaker 3: Kid, right, And like Rachel Barry is you know you are,
Speaker 3: and like I think I'm Rachel Barry, but like I'm
Speaker 3: literally not, Well what do you think it was? Then
Speaker 3: that attached you so deeply to the show. To start,
Speaker 3: I think to start.
Speaker 4: Like, it's so funny because I just rewatched the pilot
Speaker 4: and I remember you guys like released the first episode right,
Speaker 4: and then like nothing for a while, like the so
Speaker 4: like it was like into the Summer or something. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but that song Don't Stop Believing, which is which is
Speaker 4: now like corny and overplayed, but at the time it
Speaker 4: was like kind of an underrated bop. Sure it took
Speaker 4: over like everybody's iPods, like it was on iTunes, iPod
Speaker 4: touch like it was this song of the summer, and
Speaker 4: it set up the show for success because by the
Speaker 4: time you guys were filming and like airing the rest
Speaker 4: of the season, you had a committed fan base just
Speaker 4: from this one show, one song. It's exactly right, And
Speaker 4: I feel like I listened to the song first and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I gotta watch this show. Oh,
Speaker 4: and I think a lot of people had that. I
Speaker 4: would love to know, like how many people bought that
Speaker 4: song on iTunes because I know that more people bought
Speaker 4: it than the original.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and when the original got a chart, it
Speaker 3: started to chart again.
Speaker 4: Or the crazy thing is that you too are in
Speaker 4: from the very first episode. Correct, you're in the club,
Speaker 4: you're like og members. Yes, yeah, it's so crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were there. But so we've talked about, you know,
Speaker 2: the people who watched that very first episode and then
Speaker 2: came back in the fall when the show actually started. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we talked, you know, to the marketing geniuses behind
Speaker 2: it and what they were doing to get interest in
Speaker 2: it over the summer. But what we never talked about
Speaker 2: was what you just said, and I've never even considered
Speaker 2: it is normally when a show comes out, all you
Speaker 2: have from that show is the show itself.
Speaker 1: For us, it was the music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had something to leave somebody with, right, That
Speaker 2: wasn't an our commitment to watch it. You could show
Speaker 2: it to your friends in three and a half minutes.
Speaker 2: It is a whole different experience.
Speaker 4: And it was also at a time the time where
Speaker 4: like kids who were like the target demo of that
Speaker 4: show were like obsessed with buying some on iTunes, like
Speaker 4: still in your parents' credit cards, like iTunes was the
Speaker 4: like even like downloading it illegally on lime wire like
Speaker 4: that was very much. That was really how people were
Speaker 4: spending their time on the internet. So it was kind
Speaker 4: of a perfect storm, And I think that the song
Speaker 4: hooked me before I even saw like a minute of
Speaker 4: the show. And then I remember watching the first episode
Speaker 4: and being like so excited, couldn't believe I had to
Speaker 4: wait all summer for the rest of the show to
Speaker 4: come out, and I watched every like I watched it live,
Speaker 4: like with commercials, and like I talk about it the
Speaker 4: next morning with my friends, like and I also I
Speaker 4: really attribute a lot of like people say, you know, clutter,
Speaker 4: you're very cosmopolitan, your very world like I contribute a
Speaker 4: lot of like my knowledge about things to Glee because
Speaker 4: I very much I grew up in like a small
Speaker 4: little bubble. Everyone I knew was Jewish, Like I went
Speaker 4: to jewsh day school, Jewish camp, and I was like
Speaker 4: learning about things and people and identities and that like
Speaker 4: didn't exist in my world yet. And I feel like
Speaker 4: a lot of people had that experience, like when they
Speaker 4: go to college, right, they grew up in of bubble
Speaker 4: and then they meet like everyone from the real world
Speaker 4: in college. Like for me, that was blae.
Speaker 2: That makes sense, great access to other worlds. And we
Speaker 2: were intentionally Ryan was making sure we were talking about
Speaker 2: all different kinds of things a lot of culture references, like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody was dealing with like some heavy shit at points,
Speaker 4: Like it really was a window into the real world
Speaker 4: for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: I think, Wow, you are the ambassador to Glee.
Speaker 4: You don't understand, Like I can't even explain how much
Speaker 4: the show means to me. And now every time I
Speaker 4: watch it, like I learn new things and I notice
Speaker 4: new things, But an eternal experience that I have every
Speaker 4: time is like whenever it's a Gwyneth Paltrow HOI Holly
Speaker 4: Holiday episode, like those are the best. And then like
Speaker 4: as a pop culture, the knowing that like she ended
Speaker 4: up meeting her husband and like the love of her
Speaker 4: life on that show and now they're married, Like it's
Speaker 4: actually too much for me.
Speaker 2: It is the same for us.
Speaker 4: Actually it's a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I can't believe it. Like I remember when
Speaker 2: they like started dating. I was like, is this HoTT No.
Speaker 4: Was also the intersection of just so much popular culture,
Speaker 4: like none enough people talk about the fact like both
Speaker 4: in Dana Menzel and Christian chandow With were on the
Speaker 4: show at the same time, right, yes, Like that's really crazy.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: Oh and by the way, I don't know if there
Speaker 4: has ever been a more genius casting than a Dina
Speaker 4: Menzel as Leah Michelle's mother.
Speaker 3: It was actually wild, like they are twins, and then
Speaker 3: I dream to.
Speaker 4: Dream You're like, oh my god, that sou is so good.
Speaker 4: And I actually recently made a TikTok that I was
Speaker 4: just gonna be my opinion. I know it's obviously subjective,
Speaker 4: but like, there are certain and I was very much
Speaker 4: the type of fan who was like buying my favorite
Speaker 4: songs on iTunes afterwards, like and it's so funny because
Speaker 4: your iTunes like it's kind of eternal. So in my
Speaker 4: Apple Music now, I still have all my purchases, like
Speaker 4: seriously from two thousand and nine, and my library is
Speaker 4: like mostly the Glee cast because I don't really buy
Speaker 4: music anymore and I have so many songs, and so
Speaker 4: I had made a TikTok being like for me, there
Speaker 4: are certain Glee covers that actually are better than the
Speaker 4: original songs like take Us Throw, Take Us Through. Well,
Speaker 4: so for a you know, a generation of kids. I
Speaker 4: also was introduced to songs for the first time basically,
Speaker 4: so a lot of the songs that were being covered
Speaker 4: were songs I already knew and there are the obvious ones,
Speaker 4: right like, and I didn't include those in my TikTok,
Speaker 4: And people are like, well, what about Valerie. It's a
Speaker 4: well obviously Valerie, like I'm giving you like a little.
Speaker 2: Bit more of a let's go layer, you know, a
Speaker 2: little deeper.
Speaker 4: I didn't include. But now it's just coming to me.
Speaker 4: And I used to love it growing up. The Pretty
Speaker 4: Young Thing cover is actually it's up there. It's really
Speaker 4: up there.
Speaker 2: The original, But I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: It's not better than the original. It's excellent, Yes it is.
Speaker 4: I also learned something that I didn't know. So the
Speaker 4: first one that I that I cited is My Man,
Speaker 4: which was kind of like a very hot take. Obviously
Speaker 4: Barbara Strii san is Barbara Strice hand but I said
Speaker 4: what I said, like Lia Michelle did it better? Sure,
Speaker 4: And the last time I was like wasted out a
Speaker 4: karaoke bar I said I'd like to do My Man
Speaker 4: the Glee version and he was like, are you serious,
Speaker 4: it's like this old old did like it was like
Speaker 4: this very old school gay bar And this guy was like,
Speaker 4: You'm going to play Glee version over Barbara Schi Send
Speaker 4: and I said, yes, yes, I do, and.
Speaker 2: Then I have a point to prove.
Speaker 1: All the game men rolled over and they're great.
Speaker 4: Now everybody left. I cleared the place out in two
Speaker 4: seconds like a bad fart. Okay. And this is, in
Speaker 4: my opinion, the best Glee cover period and it's Fat
Speaker 4: Bottom Girls where with Puck singing to Laurence ICs like
Speaker 4: because I was also a chubby girl growing up and
Speaker 4: like that, like for me, that was representation, like it
Speaker 4: was everything to me that was before the ozembic, like
Speaker 4: I needed that. I can't explain it.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I hear it.
Speaker 2: That is what I've never heard I know.
Speaker 4: And I also that was like an introduction to that.
Speaker 4: I wasn't like, you know, a sixteen year old listening
Speaker 4: to Queen and so that was my first introduction to it.
Speaker 4: And then I remember hearing the original being like, this
Speaker 4: isn't as good as the Glee version.
Speaker 2: It is hard when you hear a version that you
Speaker 2: attached to, your attaching story and meaning to it. It's
Speaker 2: hard to get around hearing like the original version.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a song that I had heard many
Speaker 4: many times, But I still think that the Glee version
Speaker 4: is better. And this is a hot take is Landslide.
Speaker 1: This is the hottest wow now.
Speaker 4: I think. Also, it's such a pivotal moment in the
Speaker 4: show where Santana and Brittany are like really like coming
Speaker 4: to terms with the fact that they love each other,
Speaker 4: and of course Holly Holidays and they're you know, counseling
Speaker 4: these girls through it. So I'm biased for sure because
Speaker 4: going the Paltrow is the love of my life, right,
Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's really good.
Speaker 3: That's a tough one for me, But I see where
Speaker 3: you're going with that one.
Speaker 2: I'm not getting. I'm going to remain neutral, but I
Speaker 2: think there's an argument to be made that the Chicks
Speaker 2: version of Landslide is to some people, a superior version,
Speaker 2: and then our version is in line with the Chicks version. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: you have it, and you have the Gwyneth and Naya,
Speaker 2: the Brianna, Yeah, the Britanna of it all. So it's
Speaker 2: sort of they're all. I think they're all up there.
Speaker 2: It's how I feel about Valerie. I feel like they're different,
Speaker 2: but they're all equally as good, which I think is
Speaker 2: a really big compliment.
Speaker 3: Yes, agreed, you're gonna talk about the original songs because
Speaker 3: I have to know how you felt listening to the
Speaker 3: original songs for the first time.
Speaker 4: Loser Like Me was a cultural reset. And one thing
Speaker 4: about me is like I watch a lot because I
Speaker 4: love I love to watch people sing. It's like my
Speaker 4: favorite thing. And I watched it a lot of like
Speaker 4: American Idol, and I love watching like auditions for the
Speaker 4: Voice and when people come on they're like, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: sing an original song, Like I immediately turn it off, skip,
Speaker 4: I hate hate like the Prio and your dreams, like
Speaker 4: we don't care. And I remember feeling like such immense
Speaker 4: disappointment when they were like going to sing an original
Speaker 4: song at Sectional It's like the whole point of the
Speaker 4: show to sing other people's songs, and I was not
Speaker 4: prepared for the bop that ensued. Like I was wrong.
Speaker 4: I'm a woman enough to admit that I was incredibly wrong. Okay, wait,
Speaker 4: remind me of something. When Rachel was performing at Niada
Speaker 4: in that white down for the Winter whatever it was called,
Speaker 4: like song does she sing? Because it was I remember
Speaker 4: being like, oh, I don't know this song, and I
Speaker 4: I might want to add it to my list of
Speaker 4: songs that are better than the original.
Speaker 2: She does two songs. Does she do a Christmas song?
Speaker 4: She's all Holy Night and she looked insane And even
Speaker 4: though she was like dating a Jigglow, that like wasn't
Speaker 4: my favorite era for her.
Speaker 2: But you know, we've all been through it.
Speaker 1: Being good isn't good enough?
Speaker 4: Yes? Being good like so good.
Speaker 1: Add that one to the list, yeah, added.
Speaker 4: To the list.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And like Rachel at that time, like was extremely insufferable,
Speaker 4: but she was really relatable, like, you know, girling from
Speaker 4: the Midwest moving to New York to follow her dreams,
Speaker 4: ends up dating a Jiggelow.
Speaker 2: Very much, and just think that she's going to come
Speaker 2: in and be like the stars, like no, no, no, You're
Speaker 2: in the big city now.
Speaker 4: Right, right right. I didn't like that for her, Like
Speaker 4: I was very much like a toxic blind Rachel Stan
Speaker 4: like even when she was wrong, she was right. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I hear that.
Speaker 3: What about when the Originals graduated and went off to
Speaker 3: New York.
Speaker 4: With Rabel in that scene where like Finn stays behind
Speaker 4: and she's on the train, like, seriously, take that back
Speaker 4: and shoot me. I was so upset, my god, devastating, devastating.
Speaker 3: That scene was actually one of the best scenes of
Speaker 3: the whole series.
Speaker 4: I think I'm in agreement, and I think it's like
Speaker 4: Rachel's like best acting.
Speaker 2: Yes, the trade is almost running real. It was hard
Speaker 2: to watch, it was so.
Speaker 1: Good, but yeah, I'm curious.
Speaker 3: So then we move into a new world where the
Speaker 3: New York splits, Rachel goes to New York. We love
Speaker 3: the Midwest, Elia trying to follow her dreams, and then
Speaker 3: we have like a new class at McKinley.
Speaker 1: How did you respond?
Speaker 3: I know you had said like later the later seasons
Speaker 3: were not so much into but like, how did you respond?
Speaker 4: I was open in the beginning, and I think there
Speaker 4: was a lot of really strong new kids in the club.
Speaker 4: Like Bechatobin obviously was a star from the minute we
Speaker 4: saw her, Like we loved that. I really was into
Speaker 4: Marlee and that scene where like Bechatobin like forces her
Speaker 4: to be anorex, Like that was seriously something crazy. Should
Speaker 4: have ever seen it?
Speaker 2: That goes on for a long time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then they have like that scene where Marley
Speaker 4: singing New York state of mind is so is but
Speaker 4: they're like saying the frost coasts like yes, so that actually,
Speaker 4: that's one of my favorite when I do karaoke. I
Speaker 4: also do the Glee version New York State of Mind.
Speaker 2: Do these karaoke places have the Glee version?
Speaker 4: You know what, You would be very surprised that they do,
Speaker 4: and a lot of them, like these New Waved karaoke places,
Speaker 4: you can seriously just put on YouTube and ship Lee
Speaker 4: cover instrumental.
Speaker 2: And you can change you can change the key of it,
Speaker 2: which is yeah.
Speaker 4: No, they're not messing around anymore. Yeah. And wait, you
Speaker 4: guys know that I saw you on tour at the
Speaker 4: Naesta Coliseum, right, Okay.
Speaker 2: Did you I think you do?
Speaker 4: You mention? So it was like, SERI, I think it
Speaker 4: was the first concert I'd ever been to. It was
Speaker 4: after that Orhannah Montann. It was like the same year
Speaker 4: and they were both at the nam Actually, wow, the
Speaker 4: best night of me and my sister's life. Like we
Speaker 4: all were taking pictures on our BlackBerry like it was.
Speaker 4: We had an amazing seats. Like I'll genuinely like never
Speaker 4: forget it. And I can't imagine, like, seriously, you guys
Speaker 4: being on a TV show where you're doing twenty two
Speaker 4: episodes a year and then like on the off season
Speaker 4: going on tour.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's nice.
Speaker 2: It is pretty unbelievable.
Speaker 4: If I could flip the script, like, were you guys
Speaker 4: making enough money for that? Like for real? No, Okay,
Speaker 4: that's what I that's what I figure.
Speaker 3: So we signed this deal with the tours, with potential
Speaker 3: record deals all in place before we even had our
Speaker 3: last audition for the show, And when a.
Speaker 4: Song hit number one on iTunes? Did that do anything
Speaker 4: for you?
Speaker 2: We would get We get royalties from the songs still, yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's not it's not a lot because you're it's
Speaker 2: also divided about how many people are on the song
Speaker 2: fifteen pop and then labeled gets a piece of it.
Speaker 2: Fox gets a piece of it. But when we signed
Speaker 2: those contracts, the concept, the idea of us going on
Speaker 2: tour was so passible, Like I remember literally laughing, like
Speaker 2: sure it was because it was built in. It was
Speaker 2: because High School Musical just had a tour, a really
Speaker 2: successful tour, and so they're like just covering their asses.
Speaker 3: Signing like basically an American idol contract right right right locking,
Speaker 3: And now it was Fox too. Yeah, They're like, look,
Speaker 3: we cover all the bases and in case we want
Speaker 3: to do this later. But we all were like, well,
Speaker 3: we'll take whatever job you give us because this was for.
Speaker 4: Most of you, like your first like big brand, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: it would like my husband would actually kill me. My
Speaker 4: husband's the biggest gripe with the show.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 4: Something he will never stop talking about, yes, is the
Speaker 4: fact that already Like wasn't actually played by an actor
Speaker 4: who used a wheelchair.
Speaker 1: He was very passionate about that on the show.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, he will seriously never stop talking about it.
Speaker 4: And we recently watched the episode where like you Like
Speaker 4: you Like your wish gets fulfilled and you get to
Speaker 4: dance and you're dancing in them all, which obviously couldn't
Speaker 4: have been done with an actor who was actually in
Speaker 4: a wheelchair. But so many questions about that, like one
Speaker 4: when the show was so committed it was actually just
Speaker 4: strange because the show was so committed to representation, right,
Speaker 4: it was like very much a show where everyone saw
Speaker 4: themselves and like, I guess that's what acting is, like
Speaker 4: people act like things that they're not and if it's
Speaker 4: not a big deal, but like at the time, did
Speaker 4: you feel any sort of way about it?
Speaker 2: I felt like it was. I had been on so
Speaker 2: many auditions, we all like anyone I knew you've been
Speaker 2: in auditions for characters and wheelchairs. Before it was no different,
Speaker 2: like it was a very common practice, and so I
Speaker 2: think we were not even aware that that was maybe
Speaker 2: like a questionable thing. To me, I did feel the
Speaker 2: pressure of representing the character correctly and so like that
Speaker 2: was absolutely like, oh God, people are going to see this.
Speaker 2: But it was like James McAvoy played somebody in a
Speaker 2: wheelchair and was like really great, like he has a
Speaker 2: couple of times.
Speaker 1: It was a very different time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, forever, I feel like it was the actors
Speaker 4: playing things that they weren't and then recently it's like
Speaker 4: become a cultural conversation about like Welsh gay roles only
Speaker 4: to go to gay actors. Like I'm a person, I
Speaker 4: believe in the art, like you can act as whatever
Speaker 4: you want to be. But when the whole show up
Speaker 4: until that point was like really was like emblematic of
Speaker 4: a cast of characters that you don't normally see have
Speaker 4: to be it was kind of strange. And then I
Speaker 4: also and then now imagining you like going on tour,
Speaker 4: wheeling around on stage, like what sort of prep physically
Speaker 4: do you have to do? Because I imagine that's really
Speaker 4: tough on your arms.
Speaker 2: It wasn't really.
Speaker 3: Okay, but there were times that you had to get
Speaker 3: over like those really big humps of like cords and wires,
Speaker 3: and I remember being like, oh, wow, this is actually
Speaker 3: harder than being on the show where you like, you know,
Speaker 3: and hard is a relative traier in terms of that's
Speaker 3: Kevin's saying in a chair and not being handicapped by himself,
Speaker 3: but like you know, like getting over these things. And
Speaker 3: I was like, but he We tried to help him, as.
Speaker 2: On the tour they had to. I mean, there was
Speaker 2: physically like a ramp that I could right get up.
Speaker 2: It was way too steep, and so that was built
Speaker 2: into the choreography. But you're on flat surfaces. And I
Speaker 2: think in my mind too, I was also very conscious
Speaker 2: of like, people who live in this day and day out,
Speaker 2: this is nothing. I'm fully like, this is absolutely fictional.
Speaker 4: This is not a real you can get up and
Speaker 4: go home and walk.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I do think and we've said it before,
Speaker 2: but like Glee was in that like sort of transitional
Speaker 2: period where it was the end of the old ways,
Speaker 2: you know, of like we didn't really know better because like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the show was representative of so many different types of people.
Speaker 2: But like still, casting actors who were able body to
Speaker 2: be in chairs was not a thought I get to you,
Speaker 2: And it was not even in the frame of like
Speaker 2: it was until because of what the show became and
Speaker 2: it became about representing so many people that like when
Speaker 2: the Wheels episode came out, I went to so many
Speaker 2: events and met so many people in chairs or kids
Speaker 2: and chairs and parents of and it was through that
Speaker 2: then you're like, Okay, now we're educating ourselves, we're educating
Speaker 2: a white audience, and now we know yeah, no.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of like one of the fun facts.
Speaker 4: And I feel like, maybe do you have this experience,
Speaker 4: Like I don't think everybody knows that about you, Like
Speaker 4: I think maybe a lot of people assumed that you
Speaker 4: were in a chair. So I imagine like if you run
Speaker 4: into a leak in real life. They sometimes they're like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, every day really really every day.
Speaker 2: Oh And when we used to go on like do
Speaker 2: press things or on tour, like they would give me
Speaker 2: like the handicap.
Speaker 4: Room you are lying and I.
Speaker 2: Would feel really bad because I'm like somebody who actually
Speaker 2: needs this room, yes, And so I'd be like, I
Speaker 2: don't need that room.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh my, oh my, that's really crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, people, and we talk about it like today
Speaker 3: if like you know, hypothetical like gleor reyboot, could Kevin
Speaker 3: come back?
Speaker 2: Well? Because and it's also like if it was a
Speaker 2: similar thing to like casting real trans people to play
Speaker 2: trans characters, right, total, if people do not know that
Speaker 2: there's an opportunity for them, then you won't find people
Speaker 2: to do the job. And so we know now there
Speaker 2: are so many incredible actors in chairs that can have
Speaker 2: the jobs, right, so they should be the ones representing that.
Speaker 2: I think it is different from the gayer straight conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's the same.
Speaker 4: Speaking of a reboot, Like it's so funny because when
Speaker 4: I think about like shows that I would love to
Speaker 4: see rebooted or like a little reunion, Glee really doesn't
Speaker 4: come to mind. And I'm not sure if that's because
Speaker 4: so many people have passed. I don't know when I think,
Speaker 4: like I'm not I and I'm the biggest fan, Like
Speaker 4: I'm not personally waiting for a Glee reunion, Like I
Speaker 4: actually think it might ruin the magic to see it
Speaker 4: all together, Like how much has happened negatively since then? Honestly,
Speaker 4: I think the show kind of being preserved, like leave
Speaker 4: the legacy of it alone. Like it's good.
Speaker 3: That's actually very refreshing to hear because obviously we hear
Speaker 3: like is there going to be reboot?
Speaker 1: When is the reboot coming?
Speaker 3: Because everything around us is being rebooted, and so it's
Speaker 3: very refreshing to hear that from somebody who is a
Speaker 3: huge hardcore gleek yeah, who has been there from the beginning.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I think my thought is if there was a reboot,
Speaker 2: it should be take the same premise all New y
Speaker 2: do it somewhere else? Do New Kids do? Change it
Speaker 2: a little bit, because like that's those stories need to
Speaker 2: be told that I think those stories, yeah, would be
Speaker 2: different in twenty twenty five, you know, like it's.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's so much good music that you could eat.
Speaker 4: And by the way, like if you are bringing back
Speaker 4: the show, it is absolutely paramount that mister Schuster was
Speaker 4: fired years ago.
Speaker 3: Well, well let's talk about that, because I know that
Speaker 3: you have like a real disdain for the way that
Speaker 3: I have a and every.
Speaker 4: Time I watch it I feel even more, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's aging, poor, Like it's aging.
Speaker 3: So what did you think about him from the first
Speaker 3: time you watched it to to now this, I actually.
Speaker 4: Didn't think anything of it. Like I saw him as
Speaker 4: just like a teacher, Like he was kind of like
Speaker 4: neutral to me. Okay, and the older I got, and
Speaker 4: you know, the older you realize more about like boundaries
Speaker 4: and just like what's appropriate and what's not. Every time
Speaker 4: I watch there's something new, Like I forget what it was,
Speaker 4: but I mean, oh okay, wait, okay, I remember. I
Speaker 4: think it was like season one where oh oh, he
Speaker 4: starts like his uh own little group with like some
Speaker 4: of the teachers, like that original football coach Ken yell
Speaker 4: So Howard from Lennon's and things ye, because like some
Speaker 4: of the glee kids are acting out, so he's like,
Speaker 4: you guys like won't be my glee club. I'll do
Speaker 4: my own glee club. And he starts like neglecting the
Speaker 4: kids in the club for his own personal passion project
Speaker 4: and it's like your students literally need you. He's really
Speaker 4: just like so obsessed with his own image. And what's
Speaker 4: funny is that episode with Neil Patrick Harris where like
Speaker 4: they kind of hate each other because like Neil Patrick
Speaker 4: Harris like wants me to starts like mister she doesn't
Speaker 4: realize like he is Neils Patrick Harris times a thousand,
Speaker 4: like he is worse, and just there's so many instances
Speaker 4: like where the student teacher relationship and the boundaries like.
Speaker 1: We're so like, why when is his best man in
Speaker 1: the wedding?
Speaker 4: Like students in his house? Like I've never been in
Speaker 4: my teacher's house in my life.
Speaker 1: Go get your own friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they know all each other's business. It's like,
Speaker 2: why I do not need to know what's going on,
Speaker 2: who you're sleeping with your dating?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So no, yeah.
Speaker 3: And also his assignments are like he comes up with
Speaker 3: the assignments in that moment in the very first scene.
Speaker 4: He doesn't know Crep.
Speaker 1: We're like, come on, mister shoe, get it together. Be
Speaker 1: a teacher.
Speaker 4: And it claims like he doesn't listen to the kids ever,
Speaker 4: like and it's an after school curricular activity, Like I
Speaker 4: understand not listening to the kids in Spanish class, like whatever,
Speaker 4: but this is supposed to be an outlet for kids
Speaker 4: to be creative and express themselves and what their own
Speaker 4: interests are. So when you guys are like begging to
Speaker 4: do a Britney Spears episode and he's like, no, we're
Speaker 4: doing journey. It's like, why you're stifling the creativity of
Speaker 4: the kids that you claim to care about and like
Speaker 4: want them to flourish. You're literally the problem. Like I hate.
Speaker 1: Him, you guys, he's gotten creeper, It's.
Speaker 2: Gotten I feel bad for Matt Morrison because I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's not his faults, but he's.
Speaker 4: Doing hard to separate the art from the artist. And
Speaker 4: that's I think what our generation is struggling with, like
Speaker 4: because he sort of gets a lot of hate when
Speaker 4: it's not him. There's something wrong with him. Character that
Speaker 4: they wrote for him was so disgusting, and he did
Speaker 4: it so well, and he didn't he didn't do anything
Speaker 4: afterwards that was bigger than that, So people really just
Speaker 4: associate him with this show.
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is mad is around our age.
Speaker 3: So like he he you know, he had a leadership
Speaker 3: role like off screen, and he kind of like really
Speaker 3: did find his own time and like his own space,
Speaker 3: and he didn't always like get involved in all of
Speaker 3: us and the drama and all the things that were
Speaker 3: going on with us. But like he he was very
Speaker 3: close in age.
Speaker 4: To all of us.
Speaker 3: Like here, he wasn't really older, so we saw him
Speaker 3: as a peer.
Speaker 2: He was like what three years older than like Corey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a peer for us, and so we
Speaker 3: treated him like a friend. So then of course after
Speaker 3: three years you know.
Speaker 4: And I actually remember reading that in the beginning of
Speaker 4: the show he was dating Lea Michelle very briefly, so
Speaker 4: that actually tracks with the age.
Speaker 1: I did not date in the beginning of the show.
Speaker 2: Didn't they have something before the show?
Speaker 4: Well, that just only proves that, like everybody was really
Speaker 4: close in age.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Like, yes, I think he and I shouldn't have
Speaker 3: been our teacher.
Speaker 2: He and I are ten years apart.
Speaker 3: Did you know that it was actually originally written with
Speaker 3: the idea of Justin Timberlake in mind, okay.
Speaker 4: One thousand percent, Like they couldn't afford Justake, so they
Speaker 4: got mister Shoe instead. Like that is he is like
Speaker 4: the Walmart version of Justin Timberlake. That's an amazing like
Speaker 4: one thousand percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And by the way, when Holly Holliday comes into substitute
Speaker 4: because he's really sick, like a couple of times that
Speaker 4: she comes in actual Spanish teacher, well not only in
Speaker 4: the Spanish department, but in the bleed department too. It
Speaker 4: really highlights how bad of a job he did. Like,
Speaker 4: the kids love her so much.
Speaker 1: She's so freeing.
Speaker 4: She's the exact tive of teacher you want in like
Speaker 4: a creative arts like extracurricular activity and honestly like jail.
Speaker 2: But she lacked the commitment you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: She but you also as a teacher, like at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, you do have to be like
Speaker 4: an authoritarian. And yeah, she was too like punish. She
Speaker 4: was too cool with best friends, with everyone, like she
Speaker 4: wasn't gonna really hould them with an iron fist.
Speaker 2: She was a substitute. She was the funny as Yeah
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah that gets to give.
Speaker 2: The you get to get away with murder?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 3: If you were on Glee, and obviously aside from Rachel Barry, like,
Speaker 3: what would your character be like?
Speaker 4: That's an amazing question. That's something I've actually not thought about,
Speaker 4: Like am I playing myself? Or I could write any
Speaker 4: character for myself whatever you want. I mean, I was
Speaker 4: so obsessed and I grew up very much like watching
Speaker 4: the movies and TV shows of like really kind of
Speaker 4: corny traditional high school like mean girls. So I always
Speaker 4: envision when I would get to high school, like I
Speaker 4: would be a cheerleader and my boyfriend movie the Quarterback,
Speaker 4: Like those are the types of movies I watched. And
Speaker 4: mind you, I went to like a Jewish day school
Speaker 4: in Manhattan that had neither a cheerleading squad nor football team.
Speaker 4: Like so the dream, like the life that I wanted
Speaker 4: to have for myself I never got to see. And
Speaker 4: it was like so influenced by movies and TV shows
Speaker 4: and like you know those early two thousands types of movies, right, bring.
Speaker 2: It on, And so I would like movies.
Speaker 4: Perfect movies, and I would create a character like that.
Speaker 4: It's just that very much like a blend of Rachel
Speaker 4: and Quinn, because like Quinn was was pretty awful, but
Speaker 4: she had like what I wanted, which was like everybody
Speaker 4: thought she was pretty and she was a cheerleader and
Speaker 4: she was at the top of the pyramid like me,
Speaker 4: but she like wasn't the star of the glee club,
Speaker 4: and she was like a little shy and she was
Speaker 4: kind of like swaying in the background. Like I would
Speaker 4: be a fusion of the.
Speaker 2: Two, a star in all walks of life, a triple.
Speaker 4: Threat, if you will, yeh, yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Do you have a favorite mashup?
Speaker 4: So a fun fact about me is I don't love
Speaker 4: the mash up. And I'm realizing this, Like with the
Speaker 4: Taylor Swift Eras tour, how like the Surprise Songs set,
Speaker 4: which started as her choosing two songs to perform in
Speaker 4: full acoustically, is now her doing like a mashup of
Speaker 4: three different songs two times. Like it's not for me.
Speaker 4: I find it a little anti climactic.
Speaker 2: I really agree with that. Wow, I didn't realize I
Speaker 2: felt that way until you said it.
Speaker 4: But walking on Sunshine x Halo is amazing.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing. I think, when they work, they
Speaker 2: are exceptional. It's like having a bad DJ, you know somewhere,
Speaker 2: like when the DJ switches a song too soon or
Speaker 2: you're mixing things like these just do not work together.
Speaker 2: And I'd rather just hear these songs separately.
Speaker 4: And to be clear, like when I say I don't
Speaker 4: like mashups, IM obviously not talking about like DJ your Warm,
Speaker 4: United States a Pop, but overall, like it's not for me.
Speaker 4: Those were not my favorite episodes.
Speaker 3: They're not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that, we need to get you in
Speaker 2: a room with Ryan if you's ever considering a reboots
Speaker 2: so you can talk to him about these things.
Speaker 4: I would like to be. I don't need to be
Speaker 4: on Glee because actually we've been talking about this a
Speaker 4: lot on the toe about how like acting is. Seriously
Speaker 4: some only crazy people act totally. It's literally so crazy.
Speaker 4: I did an audition once once in my life. I've
Speaker 4: never stopped talking about it because it was seriously the
Speaker 4: worst thing I'd ever did, like, and I just remember
Speaker 4: having this added body experience where I floated like to
Speaker 4: the corner of the room and just like, watch myself
Speaker 4: acting like pitch. You're literally in New York City, Like
Speaker 4: what do you do? You're not You're not Pensacola like
Speaker 4: it was. It takes like such a crazy level of delute.
Speaker 4: Only the mentally ill can act. I'm sorry, I'm far
Speaker 4: too like I'm very straight laced, you know, I have
Speaker 4: like a firm grasp on reality like I can't. So
Speaker 4: I actually don't think I would even be a good
Speaker 4: in Glee, But I would like to be some sort
Speaker 4: of consultant when casting music choice.
Speaker 2: Keep the purity, you got the purity in your head
Speaker 2: of the show.
Speaker 4: I'm a Glee purist, I will.
Speaker 2: Say too, I if it were to ever happen again,
Speaker 2: And to your further your point, I think the issue
Speaker 2: with a lot of reboots is you're chasing nostalgia. You're
Speaker 2: chasing the original feeling, which it is absolutely impossible. You
Speaker 2: will never recapture. Like what you said, it's a time capsule.
Speaker 2: It's locked in how it is right now, which is great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so like if you're ever this is I guess
Speaker 2: a note for any like reboot, it's got to be
Speaker 2: completely different. You can't be comparing it.
Speaker 4: I feel like an example that I cite sometimes when
Speaker 4: I have this conversation that I don't even think is
Speaker 4: particularly good, but I feel like it's the best way
Speaker 4: it's been done Fuller House, because it really was like
Speaker 4: an entirely new show with some of the younger kids
Speaker 4: from the old show as the older kids. But like
Speaker 4: now Bob sagged, he wasn't in it, but those young girls,
Speaker 4: like DJ Stephanie, they were like the parents of the show,
Speaker 4: So it was very much like a new generation. But
Speaker 4: it was entirely a new show and people liked it
Speaker 4: for you know, until Queen Queeny Laurie had to take
Speaker 4: a five month sabbatical. But up until then, like it
Speaker 4: was doing it was it was well received.
Speaker 1: No, for sure, for sure I hear that.
Speaker 2: I feel like if you and I really just let
Speaker 2: go and talked about pop culture, I would get canceled
Speaker 2: so quickly.
Speaker 4: The thing is is that it's so much fun to
Speaker 4: care about these like moronic things that really have no
Speaker 4: impact on like the world or your life. And I
Speaker 4: wake up every day and I get to do that
Speaker 4: for a living, and I'm so blessed.
Speaker 2: My entire life. I have been filled. What I've always
Speaker 2: said since I was a kid, in like every friend group,
Speaker 2: I am the default person that is filled with use culture.
Speaker 2: And I don't even I don't seek it. Somehow, I
Speaker 2: just absorb it like yes, And I feel like you
Speaker 2: and I could just kick back and run our mouths
Speaker 2: a thousand or sent.
Speaker 4: And the great thing about my line of work is
Speaker 4: that useless information is no longer useless. You know, I'm
Speaker 4: putting it to work every day.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you find yourself ever getting in trouble for things
Speaker 1: that you say on your show.
Speaker 3: I'm just curious because it's really you, guys, Really, it's
Speaker 3: it's you.
Speaker 1: Toe the line.
Speaker 4: Yes, No, we definitely. We definitely get blowback every now
Speaker 4: and then, and I think how you deal with it, yes,
Speaker 4: affects the outcome. I think when I was younger, I
Speaker 4: used to freak out, Like one comment, I would like
Speaker 4: freak and I made it into this big thing in
Speaker 4: my head, and in actuality it became a bigger thing
Speaker 4: because I was acting like it was And I've now
Speaker 4: and there are things that I've said like that I
Speaker 4: actually deeply regret, like I remember, and it was just
Speaker 4: I was thinking about this the other day when we
Speaker 4: were reporting on Matthew Perry's passing. I had just said,
Speaker 4: you know that he died. You know, I think I
Speaker 4: said he lost his battle with addiction, and that was
Speaker 4: like literally not reported. I just assumed that, and like
Speaker 4: a lot of people from the addiction community were like,
Speaker 4: that's actually not cool. Hasn't been reported and might not
Speaker 4: be true. It just like sets such a bad stigma.
Speaker 4: It felt so bad, like when you're impacting your intention
Speaker 4: are two different things, but they end up like conversing
Speaker 4: with one another. That was the situation. I like, the
Speaker 4: next day, I have no problem if I say something
Speaker 4: that I actually feel bad about like I'm a grown
Speaker 4: ass woman, like I'm happy to apologize.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Where it gets dicey is like where I share something,
Speaker 4: you know, all in fun, right, the point of the
Speaker 4: toast is to be fun. Yeah, and then people take
Speaker 4: it out of context or literally misinterpret what I said.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, I'm not gonna apologize. I didn't say
Speaker 4: that you think I did, but listen. And that happens
Speaker 4: a lot with like clips and people just like posting
Speaker 4: something on TikTok, like that's actually not at all what
Speaker 4: I said. And I do not believe in apologizing just
Speaker 4: because you got some sort of backlash, like that's actually
Speaker 4: not what I said. And so I often find that,
Speaker 4: like eighty percent of the things people get upset with
Speaker 4: us about, we didn't actually say. Yeah, aget it. We
Speaker 4: do ninety minute episodes every day, you're not sitting and
Speaker 4: listening to whole thing. It makes it so easy to
Speaker 4: see this clip on TikTok. But I do not believe
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people in this industry, every
Speaker 4: time there's like a little bit of blowback there, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I didn't mean it like statement statement. And I think
Speaker 4: that maybe at one point in my career. I would
Speaker 4: have done that because I was so afraid of any
Speaker 4: sort of backlash. But like if I didn't say it,
Speaker 4: I'm not taking like that's on misunderstanding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's not able to critically think no more.
Speaker 4: Like media literacy.
Speaker 2: Literacy is at an all time low this contraption. But
Speaker 2: I also think that's the thing where you've been doing
Speaker 2: this for a while now and clearly hearing your thoughts
Speaker 2: just about Glee. You think deeply about these things and
Speaker 2: thoroughly about these things.
Speaker 4: They mean a lot to me. Like I know when
Speaker 4: some people listen to my show, like if you're not
Speaker 4: into pop culture, like it's whatever, but like if you
Speaker 4: are obsessed with celebrities and TV, and it very much
Speaker 4: like raised you, these things mean a lot to me.
Speaker 4: Like I put a lot of thought into them, and like,
Speaker 4: like I was saying, even how Glee like really changed
Speaker 4: my outlook on the world, Like it's not just TV
Speaker 4: to some people.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't I spending ninety minutes a day doing it
Speaker 2: if you didn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I take it seriously.
Speaker 1: Yeah I believe that, and you do and you're very
Speaker 1: committed to it.
Speaker 3: How do you what is it like doing it every day,
Speaker 3: Like do you run out of things to say?
Speaker 1: Like how a question?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, don't We don't run out
Speaker 4: of things to say. Some episodes are obviously better than others.
Speaker 4: Certain times of year make the job really easy, Like
Speaker 4: some there's certain times a year where the celebs are
Speaker 4: just like being crazy and it's so great. But like
Speaker 4: the summers, I feel like celebrities don't really like to
Speaker 4: work in the summer, Like they all go on vacation
Speaker 4: for weeks at a time. So sometimes it makes the
Speaker 4: job a little bit more difficult, especially when it's incumbent
Speaker 4: on what other people do, like in their personal and
Speaker 4: profestional lives. But for the most part, no, we get
Speaker 4: that a lot, Like how do you guys not run
Speaker 4: out of things to talk about? And I guess the
Speaker 4: cost wasn't my sister right, I might run out of
Speaker 4: things to talk about, But we have a whole life
Speaker 4: outside of the podcast that feeds the podcast.
Speaker 1: You know, totally totally, so.
Speaker 4: I mean, Knockwood, the day might come. I mean some
Speaker 4: days we're like seriously having those make the best episodes,
Speaker 4: but we're just going down a rabbit hole of the
Speaker 4: dumbest thing you've ever heard about in your life, Like,
Speaker 4: we have nothing else to talk about. Let me tell
Speaker 4: you some of our best moments are in.
Speaker 2: I would imagine. So it's like, you, guys, if people
Speaker 2: are in, if they're coming in to listen every single day,
Speaker 2: they like you. We like you. So it's like we're
Speaker 2: down to hear whatever the hell you're going to talk about.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it takes us a minute, but we always get.
Speaker 2: There, right. It's like therapy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and you have such loyal followers and listeners.
Speaker 3: I obviously listen to podcasts, not every single day, but
Speaker 3: I have you do listen every day, and then they'll
Speaker 3: be like, hey, Claudia mentioned Lee today or Claudia done
Speaker 3: today or yeah, but now you guys are you guys
Speaker 3: have been doing live shows you know.
Speaker 1: Quite a bit as well.
Speaker 3: But you have Gurly Swirlies night out at the hard
Speaker 3: Rock in Hoard on December eighth.
Speaker 1: What are your live shows like?
Speaker 4: So we only recently started doing it, I feel like
Speaker 4: everybody really Yeah, everybody with the podcast was like, let's
Speaker 4: do live shows, and Jack and I were kind of
Speaker 4: against it for a while, mostly because we do a
Speaker 4: show every single day, so literal most podcasts are weekly,
Speaker 4: so that leaves creative space for you to do a
Speaker 4: show one night, you know, but it's hard to like
Speaker 4: do a show in the morning and then that night
Speaker 4: also do a show because we'll never not do the morning.
Speaker 2: Show and then then I say an show, right.
Speaker 4: And I think that a lot of people's podcast live
Speaker 4: shows are like a little scripted, so if you go
Speaker 4: to two, they're kind of similar. But because our shtick
Speaker 4: is topical, no two shows will ever be the same.
Speaker 4: So for a while we were like, if we put
Speaker 4: this together, we know we could sell the tickets and
Speaker 4: make good money, but it wouldn't be a good show.
Speaker 4: And honestly, like, are we really like wanting to do that?
Speaker 4: Like yeah, And so it wasn't until this summer where
Speaker 4: we felt like, you know, we have enough shtick, games
Speaker 4: jokes like that, we think we can do it. And
Speaker 4: we did it and it was amazing. We definitely still
Speaker 4: run into the issue of doing a show that morning,
Speaker 4: a show that night, and then a show that next morning,
Speaker 4: because you only have so much to give creatively. So
Speaker 4: I think those where we did shows was a lot
Speaker 4: for us, but we we found a way to do
Speaker 4: it that because I'm like very like even in my
Speaker 4: own life, like I'm very protective of how I spend
Speaker 4: my money and if I wasted my money on a
Speaker 4: show like let alone, like people who get sitters got
Speaker 4: to dinner, Like totally, it's really important that like if
Speaker 4: you're gonna leave your family and come to my show
Speaker 4: or even travel, Yeah, I'm not putting together like a
Speaker 4: half ass fake podcast, Like it's gonna be good. It's
Speaker 4: gonna be real, it's gonna be premium. It's not just
Speaker 4: gonna be like a random guest, Like, it's gonna be
Speaker 4: the show that you love in real life. And we
Speaker 4: finally got to a place where we're like, you know,
Speaker 4: if we're gonna ask people to pay for this, this
Speaker 4: is actually worth it.
Speaker 2: And not enough people come into it with that perspective.
Speaker 4: No, I think that podcast live shows is very much
Speaker 4: for most people, like not to be a hater a
Speaker 4: money grab Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: And you can feel that. Yeah, Like anytime I've done
Speaker 2: a show and I'm like, oh, I'm tired, how am
Speaker 2: I gonna do this? Say like no, no, no, people traveled here,
Speaker 2: spent a shit ton of money.
Speaker 1: To do it, like it's the first time do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we have so many listeners who are moms.
Speaker 4: And I think, like when Jackie, my sister, became a mom,
Speaker 4: I really saw how much it takes to get out
Speaker 4: of the house. Like it's not just getting dressed, like
Speaker 4: it's a million things, it's naps, it's the whole day
Speaker 4: has to go right in order for you to make
Speaker 4: your plans. And so the fact that, like people make plans,
Speaker 4: they leave their kids, like it's not something we take lightly.
Speaker 4: I think it really like we're honored by it, but
Speaker 4: we we feel we must do justice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure.
Speaker 2: That's wonderful. I want to come to one of your shows.
Speaker 4: I please so. Our last one of the year is
Speaker 4: December eighth at the hard Rock in Seminole, Florida, like Hollywood.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I love it there. I just love
Speaker 4: a casino, like.
Speaker 2: A casino, but we have to have that.
Speaker 4: You do not want to see me like you know.
Speaker 2: Donny's passenger.
Speaker 4: I yell at everyone, I drink everything, and I sit
Speaker 4: at the blackjack table and I tried desperately to make friends.
Speaker 1: Yes, we love that.
Speaker 4: I'm actually like a very black jack I'm a very
Speaker 4: good blackjack player, like my husband taught me how to play.
Speaker 4: We've been together for like ten years, so when we
Speaker 4: were like eighteen exactly. So when we were like eighteen,
Speaker 4: he taught me how to play, and we would always
Speaker 4: go on vacation to places that like had like Puerto Rico,
Speaker 4: all these hotels that had We would go to Altax
Speaker 4: City all the time. And he's very good. He's been
Speaker 4: like playing with his friends for a long time, so
Speaker 4: I became very good. Like I know the book and
Speaker 4: actually I have one of those little cards sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah good.
Speaker 4: So we go to tables where it's like I know,
Speaker 4: I sit down and I'm like this annoying loud jew
Speaker 4: and they're like, oh god, this, she's gonna ruin the table.
Speaker 4: She's gonna ruin the table. I meanwhile, I'm so good.
Speaker 4: I'm teaching everyone how to play. And I always like
Speaker 4: the best tables are like when you get camaraderie and everybody.
Speaker 4: And I find that like at those like fancy tables
Speaker 4: where like everybody knows how to play, they're not looking
Speaker 4: for that type of camaraderie.
Speaker 1: So I have a hard time finding my balance at
Speaker 1: interesting that's fair.
Speaker 2: It's like how I like I like playing craps for
Speaker 2: like the community of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody's shamned the whole time.
Speaker 2: No, no, No, it's a lot, you know, Like you know.
Speaker 4: That, Like I'm seriously on the edge of blacking out
Speaker 4: when I'm at it, and by them. I'm always like
Speaker 4: if I vape, because like you can smoke, because you
Speaker 4: can smoke in a because you know, I smoke cigarettes.
Speaker 4: But for many years I vaped, and like they kick
Speaker 4: you out of everywhere when you vape, Like I'm always
Speaker 4: going to care out of restaurants and stuff. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: like blacking out with my electric cigarette. And I'm like
Speaker 4: these actual, like ninety seven year old man, I'm like, so,
Speaker 4: what do you do for work? That's how you know,
Speaker 4: Like it's about to get dark for oh my god,
Speaker 4: let's go to Vegas. No, Like I'm so you been.
Speaker 2: I've never been to Atlantic City.
Speaker 4: You know, missing much. But back in the day when
Speaker 4: I was in college, it was so fun. It was
Speaker 4: intended to be like a mini Vegas. But they never
Speaker 4: really recovered after Hurricane Sandy, and they're kind of like
Speaker 4: in a fiscal crisis over there, so it's not as
Speaker 4: good as it should be.
Speaker 2: But I've never been to the hard rock in Florida,
Speaker 2: Oh so fun.
Speaker 4: Except one of my husband's biggest scribes with it is
Speaker 4: that the drinks in the casino aren't off free what
Speaker 4: so it's on a reservation, which I that's why.
Speaker 2: Never makes it difficult.
Speaker 4: So we've been many times and we go and we
Speaker 4: pay for our own drinks. But it's not the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the same.
Speaker 2: No, because if you're gonna lose, at least you get
Speaker 2: some drinks out of it.
Speaker 4: No. And the thing is, I actually don't even mind,
Speaker 4: Like when I when I go to casino, like I
Speaker 4: could be spending this money on a show on dinner,
Speaker 4: Like I'm I make peace with X amount of money
Speaker 4: that I'm going to lose. Yeah, so I actually don't
Speaker 4: mind losing it if I have so much fun the
Speaker 4: cost of doing business.
Speaker 2: That's excitingly how I feel. I've gone with a couple
Speaker 2: of friends. It's like it's a gamble within itself because
Speaker 2: you don't know how they're going to be in a casino,
Speaker 2: and they get really upset about losing the money. I'm like, no, see,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to this is my entertainment. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: have a good time. If you haven't made peace of
Speaker 2: losing this money. You got to go.
Speaker 1: You got to go.
Speaker 4: Once the cash is out of my account, like to me,
Speaker 4: it doesn't exist anymore. And if it makes its way back,
Speaker 4: that's just a bonus. But this is the money I've
Speaker 4: allocated for a fun night out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm okay with doing that, and like if
Speaker 2: I can stretch it to last as long as possible,
Speaker 2: that's okay.
Speaker 4: That's okay.
Speaker 3: Well, come to California next year the casinos do a
Speaker 3: live We need to do an l live show, please do?
Speaker 1: I think La the La toasters are waiting.
Speaker 4: They're waiting and they're fear.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I've had multiple friends tell me like, you
Speaker 1: need to do a show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll come that We do, We really do.
Speaker 3: Before we let you go. We we always ask everybody
Speaker 3: on the show. What is the feeling that Glee leaves
Speaker 3: you with?
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean when I'm watching it with a critical eye,
Speaker 4: it's rage mostly be guys, mister Joe, but overall, like
Speaker 4: on a really good episode where mister Sho was like
Speaker 4: not offensive and this is gonna be such a lame answer,
Speaker 4: but like it's Glee, Like it's gleeful.
Speaker 1: M M, Like.
Speaker 4: It's full for joy. It's I love music so much,
Speaker 4: like for me, if I'm in a bad mood, you
Speaker 4: put on a song that I like. Like I'm really
Speaker 4: instantly like motivated by music. So I and I'm always gravitating.
Speaker 4: And that's like the whole theme of the podcast with
Speaker 4: the toasts, like I'm always gravitating towards things that are joyfault,
Speaker 4: towards things that are positive, like I'm not I like
Speaker 4: to complain and stuff, but I'm not one of these
Speaker 4: people who's like, you know, the Phyllis from what's that
Speaker 4: movie inside Out, like the Blue Woman, Like I like
Speaker 4: to bring joy wherever I go. And so I think
Speaker 4: like Glee really is like a show that reflects that.
Speaker 4: And even on the sad episodes, like with the music,
Speaker 4: I just it's like corny in the best way. It's
Speaker 4: just joy.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad that we got you back.
Speaker 4: I love you guys so much, thank.
Speaker 1: You, oh my God.
Speaker 2: Likewise, and I do show so we can come see.
Speaker 1: Ye enjoy that rewatch girl, it was so good.
Speaker 2: To see you.
Speaker 1: Thanks for making the time, Thank you, thank you, thank
Speaker 1: you so great.
Speaker 4: Bye bye.
Speaker 3: She is really the ultimate, Like she talks about it
Speaker 3: on her show all the time.
Speaker 1: She's watched it more than most.
Speaker 3: People, and she knows the show in and out better.
Speaker 1: Than we do.
Speaker 3: Kevin like, psychologically she understands oh yeah, yeah, she gets it.
Speaker 4: She gets it.
Speaker 1: She truly just way better than we know.
Speaker 2: You know, time and time again, talking to all of
Speaker 2: you who have these thoughts about the show just continue
Speaker 2: to be highlights of doing this podcast.
Speaker 3: Love it well, Thank you so much for joining us
Speaker 3: and taking the time.
Speaker 1: She does a show every single morning. The toast, the toasties,
Speaker 1: and the toasters are so committed And if you're interested,
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