WEBVTT - Ultimate Gleek Claudia Oshry 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.439 And that's what you really missed with Jenna. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.119 And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:13.440 Welcome to and that's what you really miss podcasts whoa 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:20.520 special special special Okay, we were returning guest, but yes, 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:27.360 but her episode never aired when we recorded it back 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:31.280 in twenty twenty for multiple reasons. She talked about it 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.320 on her show and said it's her Roman Empire that 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.559 she like came on the show and then her episode 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:40.160 kind of got scrapped for multiple reasons. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:44.040 When we scrapped the whole podcast in general, we stopped it. 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:45.520 We shut down the podcast. 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:46.520 That's right. 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.320 So and I had passed away and we hadn't aired 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.360 her podcast yet, her episode yet, and then you know, 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:54.960 we took a pause and scrapped the whole thing. And 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.080 you know, obviously, you know we've come back in a 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:58.960 big way and we had to have her back. 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:00.000 So here is Claude. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.680 Yeah, she's the ultimate leak. They do a show every 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.880 single day. It's the toast PhD in pop culture and 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.120 you don't want to missus convo. She knows the show 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:10.760 better than we do. 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:11.800 Here's Claudia. 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.959 Welcome back. Oh I'm so excited. Thank you guys so 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.560 much for having me again. We're so happy to have you, like, 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.839 it's about time the world heard my thoughts, ugly, and it's. 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:25.000 A it's been a minute. It's been almost what four years, 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:26.160 It has been four years. 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.080 Since we recorded that episode, and I've probably rewatched I 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.160 rewatched it at least once since then. And I just 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.560 restarted again like a month ago, me and Ben and 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:35.759 so I have some fresh thoughts. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.600 Okay, oh thank god. And what people need to know is, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.120 you know a lot of people like came to the 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.160 show during the pandemic because of TikTok. Yes, you've never 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.720 not been there in the. 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:51.360 In the words of Taylor Swift, I'm right where you 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:54.080 left me, like I never left. I'm still at the restaurant. 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.680 I watched it live in high school, like I was 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.560 really the same age as a lot of the characters, 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.640 and I have rewatched it, probably in full. But the 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.240 crazy thing is, and I find that this actually happens 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:05.920 a lot with people who like rewatch shows. I have 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.200 never seen the final episode of Clay. I couldn't bring 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:10.840 myself to watch it. Now I've seen like clips on 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:12.880 social media, so I know that like spoiler, literally Michelle 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.360 wins Tony like, but I never watched, Like I just 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:19.679 couldn't bring myself like it's too final wowing. 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.359 Yeah, I know you think you'll ever watch it? 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.639 Honestly at this rate, I don't know why. 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:31.080 I would, right, you may as well, it's like, yeah, not, 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:34.359 it's a great episode. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:36.400 I'm sure I know I would cry. 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.120 Did you watch two thousand and nine? 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:39.560 What does that mean? Too? 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.160 So there's it's like a two parter, right Kevin, And 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:43.560 it's like, so then I haven't seen. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.200 Either of them, Like I never saw the finale. Isn't 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:46.639 that crazy? 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.840 You should watch I know the beginning part. 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.520 I forget to be honest, which one is because they 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:53.760 swapped how we filmed them? 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:54.359 Oh? 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.800 Really, well, we were filming sort of both at the 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.120 first time, and I think originally two thousand and nine 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.720 was to be the finale and then they do you 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:02.080 know what. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.880 It is like every time I rewatch it, and when 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.919 we get to the New York era, like I find 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.520 myself like wanting to watch it less, like it doesn't 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:12.320 like when once they're out of the classroom and then 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.040 all those kids in the Glee Project came in, Like 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.799 I it didn't flap in the way that the original 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.040 show did, and so I found myself less motivated soil. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:21.720 Every time I get to like seasons five and six 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:26.000 in my rewatch, I'm like, I'm pulling out of remote less. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:26.160 I know. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.280 It's a different show. It feels different, it looks different. 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.480 And let me just be clear, Like if I was 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.280 allowed at the time to have tried out for the 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.000 Glee Project, like I would have, like I could see 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:38.880 a world in which I was on the Glee Project, 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:42.160 like that you understand, Like I was so obsessed with 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:43.480 this show, and like I still am. And it's so 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.120 crazy because I'm really not like a theater kid. I 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.480 find like a lot of my peers, the Gleeks, grew 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.520 up theater kids, and it's like a very theater kid. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.760 Coach where you are makes sense, and I'm really not. 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.520 I didn't do like theater or choir anything growing up. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.240 I just like absolutely love to sing and be the 0:03:58.280 --> 0:03:59.960 center of attention. So I guess in that sense, I 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:00.640 I'm a theater. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:04.080 Kid, right, And like Rachel Barry is you know you are, 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.040 and like I think I'm Rachel Barry, but like I'm 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:11.280 literally not, Well what do you think it was? Then 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.240 that attached you so deeply to the show. To start, 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:16.039 I think to start. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.120 Like, it's so funny because I just rewatched the pilot 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:22.000 and I remember you guys like released the first episode right, 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:23.719 and then like nothing for a while, like the so 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.000 like it was like into the Summer or something. Yeah, 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.400 but that song Don't Stop Believing, which is which is 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.800 now like corny and overplayed, but at the time it 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.839 was like kind of an underrated bop. Sure it took 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.920 over like everybody's iPods, like it was on iTunes, iPod 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.120 touch like it was this song of the summer, and 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.240 it set up the show for success because by the 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:43.880 time you guys were filming and like airing the rest 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:45.839 of the season, you had a committed fan base just 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:47.920 from this one show, one song. It's exactly right, And 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.320 I feel like I listened to the song first and 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.400 I was like, oh, I gotta watch this show. Oh, 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.080 and I think a lot of people had that. I 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:55.719 would love to know, like how many people bought that 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:57.880 song on iTunes because I know that more people bought 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:58.760 it than the original. 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:03.440 Yes, yeah, and when the original got a chart, it 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:04.440 started to chart again. 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.040 Or the crazy thing is that you too are in 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.320 from the very first episode. Correct, you're in the club, 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.320 you're like og members. Yes, yeah, it's so crazy. 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.600 Yeah, we were there. But so we've talked about, you know, 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.360 the people who watched that very first episode and then 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.919 came back in the fall when the show actually started. Yeah, 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.360 and we talked, you know, to the marketing geniuses behind 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:31.320 it and what they were doing to get interest in 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.479 it over the summer. But what we never talked about 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.000 was what you just said, and I've never even considered 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.240 it is normally when a show comes out, all you 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:41.440 have from that show is the show itself. 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:43.320 For us, it was the music. 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.880 Yeah, you had something to leave somebody with, right, That 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.800 wasn't an our commitment to watch it. You could show 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.520 it to your friends in three and a half minutes. 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:53.359 It is a whole different experience. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.200 And it was also at a time the time where 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.440 like kids who were like the target demo of that 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.680 show were like obsessed with buying some on iTunes, like 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.000 still in your parents' credit cards, like iTunes was the 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.479 like even like downloading it illegally on lime wire like 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.120 that was very much. That was really how people were 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:09.760 spending their time on the internet. So it was kind 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:11.680 of a perfect storm, And I think that the song 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.680 hooked me before I even saw like a minute of 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.040 the show. And then I remember watching the first episode 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:17.840 and being like so excited, couldn't believe I had to 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.000 wait all summer for the rest of the show to 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:21.839 come out, and I watched every like I watched it live, 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:23.360 like with commercials, and like I talk about it the 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.479 next morning with my friends, like and I also I 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.479 really attribute a lot of like people say, you know, clutter, 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.760 you're very cosmopolitan, your very world like I contribute a 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.160 lot of like my knowledge about things to Glee because 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:35.560 I very much I grew up in like a small 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.480 little bubble. Everyone I knew was Jewish, Like I went 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.599 to jewsh day school, Jewish camp, and I was like 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.080 learning about things and people and identities and that like 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.520 didn't exist in my world yet. And I feel like 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:45.919 a lot of people had that experience, like when they 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:47.839 go to college, right, they grew up in of bubble 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:49.320 and then they meet like everyone from the real world 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:54.360 in college. Like for me, that was blae. 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:56.560 That makes sense, great access to other worlds. And we 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.359 were intentionally Ryan was making sure we were talking about 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.839 all different kinds of things a lot of culture references, like. 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.480 Yeah, everybody was dealing with like some heavy shit at points, 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:09.159 Like it really was a window into the real world 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:09.920 for a lot of people. 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:14.000 I think, Wow, you are the ambassador to Glee. 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.080 You don't understand, Like I can't even explain how much 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.400 the show means to me. And now every time I 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.320 watch it, like I learn new things and I notice 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.760 new things, But an eternal experience that I have every 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:25.960 time is like whenever it's a Gwyneth Paltrow HOI Holly 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:28.880 Holiday episode, like those are the best. And then like 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.440 as a pop culture, the knowing that like she ended 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.280 up meeting her husband and like the love of her 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.880 life on that show and now they're married, Like it's 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:37.120 actually too much for me. 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.200 It is the same for us. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:40.440 Actually it's a lot. 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:44.160 Yeah, Like I can't believe it. Like I remember when 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.160 they like started dating. I was like, is this HoTT No. 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.200 Was also the intersection of just so much popular culture, 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.120 like none enough people talk about the fact like both 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.320 in Dana Menzel and Christian chandow With were on the 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.960 show at the same time, right, yes, Like that's really crazy. 0:07:59.320 --> 0:07:59.600 I know. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.720 Oh and by the way, I don't know if there 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.400 has ever been a more genius casting than a Dina 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:06.720 Menzel as Leah Michelle's mother. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:11.560 It was actually wild, like they are twins, and then 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:12.320 I dream to. 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.920 Dream You're like, oh my god, that sou is so good. 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.480 And I actually recently made a TikTok that I was 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:20.840 just gonna be my opinion. I know it's obviously subjective, 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.760 but like, there are certain and I was very much 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.560 the type of fan who was like buying my favorite 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.560 songs on iTunes afterwards, like and it's so funny because 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.800 your iTunes like it's kind of eternal. So in my 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.800 Apple Music now, I still have all my purchases, like 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:37.080 seriously from two thousand and nine, and my library is 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.360 like mostly the Glee cast because I don't really buy 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:43.400 music anymore and I have so many songs, and so 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.559 I had made a TikTok being like for me, there 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.599 are certain Glee covers that actually are better than the 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.880 original songs like take Us Throw, Take Us Through. Well, 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.760 so for a you know, a generation of kids. I 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.920 also was introduced to songs for the first time basically, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:01.320 so a lot of the songs that were being covered 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.920 were songs I already knew and there are the obvious ones, 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:05.400 right like, and I didn't include those in my TikTok, 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:06.959 And people are like, well, what about Valerie. It's a 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:10.120 well obviously Valerie, like I'm giving you like a little. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.599 Bit more of a let's go layer, you know, a 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:13.319 little deeper. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.560 I didn't include. But now it's just coming to me. 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.920 And I used to love it growing up. The Pretty 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.200 Young Thing cover is actually it's up there. It's really 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:21.760 up there. 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:23.880 The original, But I appreciate it. 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.120 It's not better than the original. It's excellent, Yes it is. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.920 I also learned something that I didn't know. So the 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:34.000 first one that I that I cited is My Man, 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.560 which was kind of like a very hot take. Obviously 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.320 Barbara Strii san is Barbara Strice hand but I said 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.800 what I said, like Lia Michelle did it better? Sure, 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:42.760 And the last time I was like wasted out a 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:44.560 karaoke bar I said I'd like to do My Man 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.439 the Glee version and he was like, are you serious, 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.080 it's like this old old did like it was like 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.200 this very old school gay bar And this guy was like, 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.319 You'm going to play Glee version over Barbara Schi Send 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.080 and I said, yes, yes, I do, and. 0:09:57.960 --> 0:09:59.320 Then I have a point to prove. 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.360 All the game men rolled over and they're great. 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.520 Now everybody left. I cleared the place out in two 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:08.400 seconds like a bad fart. Okay. And this is, in 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:12.439 my opinion, the best Glee cover period and it's Fat 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:16.240 Bottom Girls where with Puck singing to Laurence ICs like 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:18.880 because I was also a chubby girl growing up and 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.400 like that, like for me, that was representation, like it 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.640 was everything to me that was before the ozembic, like 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.760 I needed that. I can't explain it. 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.040 Yes, yes, yes, I hear it. 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.400 That is what I've never heard I know. 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:32.480 And I also that was like an introduction to that. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.160 I wasn't like, you know, a sixteen year old listening 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.000 to Queen and so that was my first introduction to it. 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:38.480 And then I remember hearing the original being like, this 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:39.679 isn't as good as the Glee version. 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:41.760 It is hard when you hear a version that you 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.320 attached to, your attaching story and meaning to it. It's 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:48.080 hard to get around hearing like the original version. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.000 Yeah, I mean a song that I had heard many 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.680 many times, But I still think that the Glee version 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.040 is better. And this is a hot take is Landslide. 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.600 This is the hottest wow now. 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.800 I think. Also, it's such a pivotal moment in the 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.440 show where Santana and Brittany are like really like coming 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:05.920 to terms with the fact that they love each other, 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.960 and of course Holly Holidays and they're you know, counseling 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.040 these girls through it. So I'm biased for sure because 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.040 going the Paltrow is the love of my life, right, 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.320 I think it's I think it's really good. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:18.920 That's a tough one for me, But I see where 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.600 you're going with that one. 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.920 I'm not getting. I'm going to remain neutral, but I 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.560 think there's an argument to be made that the Chicks 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:32.120 version of Landslide is to some people, a superior version, 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:36.920 and then our version is in line with the Chicks version. Yes, yeah, 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:41.079 you have it, and you have the Gwyneth and Naya, 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.840 the Brianna, Yeah, the Britanna of it all. So it's 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.160 sort of they're all. I think they're all up there. 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:49.120 It's how I feel about Valerie. I feel like they're different, 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.480 but they're all equally as good, which I think is 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:53.480 a really big compliment. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:12:06.480 Yes, agreed, you're gonna talk about the original songs because 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.400 I have to know how you felt listening to the 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:10.640 original songs for the first time. 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:16.080 Loser Like Me was a cultural reset. And one thing 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:17.640 about me is like I watch a lot because I 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.000 love I love to watch people sing. It's like my 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:20.480 favorite thing. And I watched it a lot of like 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.400 American Idol, and I love watching like auditions for the 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.360 Voice and when people come on they're like, I'm gonna 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.760 sing an original song, Like I immediately turn it off, skip, 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.000 I hate hate like the Prio and your dreams, like 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:34.320 we don't care. And I remember feeling like such immense 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.560 disappointment when they were like going to sing an original 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.000 song at Sectional It's like the whole point of the 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.640 show to sing other people's songs, and I was not 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.679 prepared for the bop that ensued. Like I was wrong. 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:50.360 I'm a woman enough to admit that I was incredibly wrong. Okay, wait, 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:54.000 remind me of something. When Rachel was performing at Niada 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.720 in that white down for the Winter whatever it was called, 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.079 like song does she sing? Because it was I remember 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:00.439 being like, oh, I don't know this song, and I 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:02.680 I might want to add it to my list of 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.600 songs that are better than the original. 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.680 She does two songs. Does she do a Christmas song? 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.120 She's all Holy Night and she looked insane And even 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:11.720 though she was like dating a Jigglow, that like wasn't 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:12.679 my favorite era for her. 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.560 But you know, we've all been through it. 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:15.800 Being good isn't good enough? 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.200 Yes? Being good like so good. 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.160 Add that one to the list, yeah, added. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:21.439 To the list. 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:21.920 Yeah. 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:26.360 And like Rachel at that time, like was extremely insufferable, 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.440 but she was really relatable, like, you know, girling from 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.680 the Midwest moving to New York to follow her dreams, 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:33.280 ends up dating a Jiggelow. 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.679 Very much, and just think that she's going to come 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:37.520 in and be like the stars, like no, no, no, You're 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:38.520 in the big city now. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:40.680 Right, right right. I didn't like that for her, Like 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.199 I was very much like a toxic blind Rachel Stan 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.400 like even when she was wrong, she was right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:46.720 I hear that. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:53.080 What about when the Originals graduated and went off to 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:53.880 New York. 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.600 With Rabel in that scene where like Finn stays behind 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.600 and she's on the train, like, seriously, take that back 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:02.800 and shoot me. I was so upset, my god, devastating, devastating. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.120 That scene was actually one of the best scenes of 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:07.000 the whole series. 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:08.760 I think I'm in agreement, and I think it's like 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:10.679 Rachel's like best acting. 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:15.640 Yes, the trade is almost running real. It was hard 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:16.880 to watch, it was so. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:18.880 Good, but yeah, I'm curious. 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.520 So then we move into a new world where the 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.200 New York splits, Rachel goes to New York. We love 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.440 the Midwest, Elia trying to follow her dreams, and then 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.360 we have like a new class at McKinley. 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.800 How did you respond? 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.680 I know you had said like later the later seasons 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.800 were not so much into but like, how did you respond? 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.040 I was open in the beginning, and I think there 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.800 was a lot of really strong new kids in the club. 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.760 Like Bechatobin obviously was a star from the minute we 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.560 saw her, Like we loved that. I really was into 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.720 Marlee and that scene where like Bechatobin like forces her 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.880 to be anorex, Like that was seriously something crazy. Should 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:52.280 have ever seen it? 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:53.760 That goes on for a long time. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:58.440 Yeah, and then they have like that scene where Marley 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.400 singing New York state of mind is so is but 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.280 they're like saying the frost coasts like yes, so that actually, 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.440 that's one of my favorite when I do karaoke. I 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.640 also do the Glee version New York State of Mind. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.280 Do these karaoke places have the Glee version? 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.600 You know what, You would be very surprised that they do, 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.480 and a lot of them, like these New Waved karaoke places, 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.920 you can seriously just put on YouTube and ship Lee 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:20.800 cover instrumental. 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.200 And you can change you can change the key of it, 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:24.320 which is yeah. 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:28.400 No, they're not messing around anymore. Yeah. And wait, you 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:29.760 guys know that I saw you on tour at the 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.280 Naesta Coliseum, right, Okay. 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:33.400 Did you I think you do? 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.320 You mention? So it was like, SERI, I think it 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:37.840 was the first concert I'd ever been to. It was 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:39.800 after that Orhannah Montann. It was like the same year 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:44.760 and they were both at the nam Actually, wow, the 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.480 best night of me and my sister's life. Like we 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.960 all were taking pictures on our BlackBerry like it was. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.920 We had an amazing seats. Like I'll genuinely like never 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.400 forget it. And I can't imagine, like, seriously, you guys 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.680 being on a TV show where you're doing twenty two 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:59.480 episodes a year and then like on the off season 0:15:59.480 --> 0:15:59.960 going on tour. 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:02.320 Yes, that's nice. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.240 It is pretty unbelievable. 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:05.560 If I could flip the script, like, were you guys 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.840 making enough money for that? Like for real? No, Okay, 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:10.000 that's what I that's what I figure. 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:14.440 So we signed this deal with the tours, with potential 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.840 record deals all in place before we even had our 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.240 last audition for the show, And when a. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.080 Song hit number one on iTunes? Did that do anything 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.560 for you? 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:32.560 We would get We get royalties from the songs still, yeah, 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.240 but it's not it's not a lot because you're it's 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:36.840 also divided about how many people are on the song 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.520 fifteen pop and then labeled gets a piece of it. 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:41.800 Fox gets a piece of it. But when we signed 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.200 those contracts, the concept, the idea of us going on 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:49.280 tour was so passible, Like I remember literally laughing, like 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.600 sure it was because it was built in. It was 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:55.120 because High School Musical just had a tour, a really 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:58.320 successful tour, and so they're like just covering their asses. 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:03.120 Signing like basically an American idol contract right right right locking, 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.240 And now it was Fox too. Yeah, They're like, look, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.080 we cover all the bases and in case we want 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:09.800 to do this later. But we all were like, well, 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.800 we'll take whatever job you give us because this was for. 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.160 Most of you, like your first like big brand, right, yeah, 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.680 it would like my husband would actually kill me. My 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:20.440 husband's the biggest gripe with the show. 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:20.600 Like. 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.240 Something he will never stop talking about, yes, is the 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.440 fact that already Like wasn't actually played by an actor 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:27.480 who used a wheelchair. 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.359 He was very passionate about that on the show. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.119 Oh my god, he will seriously never stop talking about it. 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.639 And we recently watched the episode where like you Like 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:38.560 you Like your wish gets fulfilled and you get to 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.520 dance and you're dancing in them all, which obviously couldn't 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.000 have been done with an actor who was actually in 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.720 a wheelchair. But so many questions about that, like one 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.439 when the show was so committed it was actually just 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.360 strange because the show was so committed to representation, right, 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.280 it was like very much a show where everyone saw 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.199 themselves and like, I guess that's what acting is, like 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.600 people act like things that they're not and if it's 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.680 not a big deal, but like at the time, did 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:08.240 you feel any sort of way about it? 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:11.480 I felt like it was. I had been on so 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.280 many auditions, we all like anyone I knew you've been 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.680 in auditions for characters and wheelchairs. Before it was no different, 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.679 like it was a very common practice, and so I 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.919 think we were not even aware that that was maybe 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:28.480 like a questionable thing. To me, I did feel the 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:33.520 pressure of representing the character correctly and so like that 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.000 was absolutely like, oh God, people are going to see this. 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.920 But it was like James McAvoy played somebody in a 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:43.119 wheelchair and was like really great, like he has a 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:43.640 couple of times. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.639 It was a very different time. 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.320 Yeah, no, forever, I feel like it was the actors 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.159 playing things that they weren't and then recently it's like 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.640 become a cultural conversation about like Welsh gay roles only 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.600 to go to gay actors. Like I'm a person, I 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:58.680 believe in the art, like you can act as whatever 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:00.639 you want to be. But when the whole show up 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.159 until that point was like really was like emblematic of 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:05.800 a cast of characters that you don't normally see have 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.280 to be it was kind of strange. And then I 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.320 also and then now imagining you like going on tour, 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:15.240 wheeling around on stage, like what sort of prep physically 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:17.920 do you have to do? Because I imagine that's really 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.919 tough on your arms. 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.160 It wasn't really. 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.520 Okay, but there were times that you had to get 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.520 over like those really big humps of like cords and wires, 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.359 and I remember being like, oh, wow, this is actually 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.399 harder than being on the show where you like, you know, 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.360 and hard is a relative traier in terms of that's 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.840 Kevin's saying in a chair and not being handicapped by himself, 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.080 but like you know, like getting over these things. And 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.720 I was like, but he We tried to help him, as. 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:47.200 On the tour they had to. I mean, there was 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:50.200 physically like a ramp that I could right get up. 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.240 It was way too steep, and so that was built 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.000 into the choreography. But you're on flat surfaces. And I 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.200 think in my mind too, I was also very conscious 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:01.520 of like, people who live in this day and day out, 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:06.200 this is nothing. I'm fully like, this is absolutely fictional. 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.280 This is not a real you can get up and 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:09.200 go home and walk. 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.080 Yes, And I do think and we've said it before, 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:16.440 but like Glee was in that like sort of transitional 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.280 period where it was the end of the old ways, 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.800 you know, of like we didn't really know better because like, yeah, 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.480 the show was representative of so many different types of people. 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.520 But like still, casting actors who were able body to 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:32.720 be in chairs was not a thought I get to you, 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:34.919 And it was not even in the frame of like 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.840 it was until because of what the show became and 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:42.399 it became about representing so many people that like when 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.480 the Wheels episode came out, I went to so many 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:48.040 events and met so many people in chairs or kids 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.280 and chairs and parents of and it was through that 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.920 then you're like, Okay, now we're educating ourselves, we're educating 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.760 a white audience, and now we know yeah, no. 0:20:57.920 --> 0:20:59.400 It's just kind of like one of the fun facts. 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:01.600 And I feel like, maybe do you have this experience, 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:04.080 Like I don't think everybody knows that about you, Like 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:05.679 I think maybe a lot of people assumed that you 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:09.360 were in a chair. So I imagine like if you run 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.399 into a leak in real life. They sometimes they're like, 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.520 oh my god, every day really really every day. 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:16.399 Oh And when we used to go on like do 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.840 press things or on tour, like they would give me 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:19.960 like the handicap. 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:23.040 Room you are lying and I. 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:25.199 Would feel really bad because I'm like somebody who actually 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:27.719 needs this room, yes, And so I'd be like, I 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:28.640 don't need that room. 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:32.040 Yes, oh my, oh my, that's really crazy. 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.320 Yeah, no, people, and we talk about it like today 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.399 if like you know, hypothetical like gleor reyboot, could Kevin 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:39.000 come back? 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:43.080 Well? Because and it's also like if it was a 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:46.200 similar thing to like casting real trans people to play 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:49.720 trans characters, right, total, if people do not know that 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:53.800 there's an opportunity for them, then you won't find people 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:57.040 to do the job. And so we know now there 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.760 are so many incredible actors in chairs that can have 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:03.119 the jobs, right, so they should be the ones representing that. 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.520 I think it is different from the gayer straight conversation. Yeah, 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:07.680 I think it's the same. 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:10.320 Speaking of a reboot, Like it's so funny because when 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:11.760 I think about like shows that I would love to 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.760 see rebooted or like a little reunion, Glee really doesn't 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:16.320 come to mind. And I'm not sure if that's because 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:18.600 so many people have passed. I don't know when I think, 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:20.399 like I'm not I and I'm the biggest fan, Like 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:22.320 I'm not personally waiting for a Glee reunion, Like I 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.359 actually think it might ruin the magic to see it 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:29.479 all together, Like how much has happened negatively since then? Honestly, 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.040 I think the show kind of being preserved, like leave 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:33.640 the legacy of it alone. Like it's good. 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.920 That's actually very refreshing to hear because obviously we hear 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:38.200 like is there going to be reboot? 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:39.200 When is the reboot coming? 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:43.359 Because everything around us is being rebooted, and so it's 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:46.960 very refreshing to hear that from somebody who is a 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.280 huge hardcore gleek yeah, who has been there from the beginning. 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:52.880 I agree. 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:56.480 I think my thought is if there was a reboot, 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.760 it should be take the same premise all New y 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.439 do it somewhere else? Do New Kids do? Change it 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:05.680 a little bit, because like that's those stories need to 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:08.080 be told that I think those stories, yeah, would be 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.960 different in twenty twenty five, you know, like it's. 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:13.040 Oh, there's so much good music that you could eat. 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.560 And by the way, like if you are bringing back 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.359 the show, it is absolutely paramount that mister Schuster was 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:19.200 fired years ago. 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:21.600 Well, well let's talk about that, because I know that 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:23.959 you have like a real disdain for the way that 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:26.000 I have a and every. 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:29.880 Time I watch it I feel even more, Yeah. 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:31.680 It's aging, poor, Like it's aging. 0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:33.560 So what did you think about him from the first 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.760 time you watched it to to now this, I actually. 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:38.360 Didn't think anything of it. Like I saw him as 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:40.480 just like a teacher, Like he was kind of like 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:44.159 neutral to me. Okay, and the older I got, and 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.480 you know, the older you realize more about like boundaries 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:50.560 and just like what's appropriate and what's not. Every time 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:52.760 I watch there's something new, Like I forget what it was, 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:56.040 but I mean, oh okay, wait, okay, I remember. I 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:58.399 think it was like season one where oh oh, he 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:02.159 starts like his uh own little group with like some 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:05.359 of the teachers, like that original football coach Ken yell 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:08.639 So Howard from Lennon's and things ye, because like some 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:10.320 of the glee kids are acting out, so he's like, 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:12.199 you guys like won't be my glee club. I'll do 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:14.240 my own glee club. And he starts like neglecting the 0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:17.520 kids in the club for his own personal passion project 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.439 and it's like your students literally need you. He's really 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:22.960 just like so obsessed with his own image. And what's 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:25.000 funny is that episode with Neil Patrick Harris where like 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:26.520 they kind of hate each other because like Neil Patrick 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:28.560 Harris like wants me to starts like mister she doesn't 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:30.760 realize like he is Neils Patrick Harris times a thousand, 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:34.520 like he is worse, and just there's so many instances 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:37.600 like where the student teacher relationship and the boundaries like. 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.399 We're so like, why when is his best man in 0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:40.919 the wedding? 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:44.359 Like students in his house? Like I've never been in 0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:45.919 my teacher's house in my life. 0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:47.040 Go get your own friends. 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.359 Yeah, you know they know all each other's business. It's like, 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:51.320 why I do not need to know what's going on, 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:52.879 who you're sleeping with your dating? 0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:55.760 Yeah? So no, yeah. 0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.639 And also his assignments are like he comes up with 0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:02.640 the assignments in that moment in the very first scene. 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:03.399 He doesn't know Crep. 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:06.439 We're like, come on, mister shoe, get it together. Be 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:06.919 a teacher. 0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:09.320 And it claims like he doesn't listen to the kids ever, 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.280 like and it's an after school curricular activity, Like I 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:14.720 understand not listening to the kids in Spanish class, like whatever, 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:16.320 but this is supposed to be an outlet for kids 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:18.400 to be creative and express themselves and what their own 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:20.000 interests are. So when you guys are like begging to 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:22.520 do a Britney Spears episode and he's like, no, we're 0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:25.240 doing journey. It's like, why you're stifling the creativity of 0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:26.800 the kids that you claim to care about and like 0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:32.320 want them to flourish. You're literally the problem. Like I hate. 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.439 Him, you guys, he's gotten creeper, It's. 0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:36.600 Gotten I feel bad for Matt Morrison because I'm like, 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:39.640 it's not his faults, but he's. 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.399 Doing hard to separate the art from the artist. And 0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:45.840 that's I think what our generation is struggling with, like 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:48.080 because he sort of gets a lot of hate when 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:50.720 it's not him. There's something wrong with him. Character that 0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:56.680 they wrote for him was so disgusting, and he did 0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:59.520 it so well, and he didn't he didn't do anything 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:01.600 afterwards that was bigger than that, So people really just 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:02.680 associate him with this show. 0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:05.800 And the funny thing is mad is around our age. 0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:08.080 So like he he you know, he had a leadership 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.000 role like off screen, and he kind of like really 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:13.960 did find his own time and like his own space, 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:15.840 and he didn't always like get involved in all of 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:17.240 us and the drama and all the things that were 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:20.000 going on with us. But like he he was very 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:21.200 close in age. 0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:21.720 To all of us. 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.960 Like here, he wasn't really older, so we saw him 0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:25.600 as a peer. 0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:27.840 He was like what three years older than like Corey. 0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:31.040 Yeah, he was a peer for us, and so we 0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:34.359 treated him like a friend. So then of course after 0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:36.520 three years you know. 0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:38.480 And I actually remember reading that in the beginning of 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:40.280 the show he was dating Lea Michelle very briefly, so 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:44.760 that actually tracks with the age. 0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:45.200 I did not date in the beginning of the show. 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:47.960 Didn't they have something before the show? 0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.160 Well, that just only proves that, like everybody was really 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:54.520 close in age. 0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:58.600 Exactly, Like, yes, I think he and I shouldn't have 0:26:58.600 --> 0:26:59.119 been our teacher. 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.040 He and I are ten years apart. 0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:04.679 Did you know that it was actually originally written with 0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:08.480 the idea of Justin Timberlake in mind, okay. 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:11.280 One thousand percent, Like they couldn't afford Justake, so they 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:13.800 got mister Shoe instead. Like that is he is like 0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:17.320 the Walmart version of Justin Timberlake. That's an amazing like 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:18.879 one thousand percent. 0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:19.520 Yeah. 0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:22.200 And by the way, when Holly Holliday comes into substitute 0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:23.919 because he's really sick, like a couple of times that 0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.560 she comes in actual Spanish teacher, well not only in 0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:28.280 the Spanish department, but in the bleed department too. It 0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:30.080 really highlights how bad of a job he did. Like, 0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:31.400 the kids love her so much. 0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:32.800 She's so freeing. 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:34.639 She's the exact tive of teacher you want in like 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:40.400 a creative arts like extracurricular activity and honestly like jail. 0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:43.680 But she lacked the commitment you know what I mean. 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:46.760 She but you also as a teacher, like at the 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:48.000 end of the day, you do have to be like 0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:51.199 an authoritarian. And yeah, she was too like punish. She 0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:53.119 was too cool with best friends, with everyone, like she 0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:56.439 wasn't gonna really hould them with an iron fist. 0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:59.560 She was a substitute. She was the funny as Yeah 0:27:59.560 --> 0:27:59.919 that's right. 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:01.560 Yeah that gets to give. 0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:03.200 The you get to get away with murder? 0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.000 Yeah, yeah, right. 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:16.159 If you were on Glee, and obviously aside from Rachel Barry, like, 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:17.359 what would your character be like? 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:21.760 That's an amazing question. That's something I've actually not thought about, 0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:24.960 Like am I playing myself? Or I could write any 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:28.600 character for myself whatever you want. I mean, I was 0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:31.119 so obsessed and I grew up very much like watching 0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.119 the movies and TV shows of like really kind of 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:36.600 corny traditional high school like mean girls. So I always 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:38.080 envision when I would get to high school, like I 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:40.120 would be a cheerleader and my boyfriend movie the Quarterback, 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.680 Like those are the types of movies I watched. And 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:44.960 mind you, I went to like a Jewish day school 0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.560 in Manhattan that had neither a cheerleading squad nor football team. 0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:49.840 Like so the dream, like the life that I wanted 0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:51.880 to have for myself I never got to see. And 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.560 it was like so influenced by movies and TV shows 0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:57.520 and like you know those early two thousands types of movies, right, bring. 0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:02.040 It on, And so I would like movies. 0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:05.160 Perfect movies, and I would create a character like that. 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:07.800 It's just that very much like a blend of Rachel 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.760 and Quinn, because like Quinn was was pretty awful, but 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:13.840 she had like what I wanted, which was like everybody 0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:15.680 thought she was pretty and she was a cheerleader and 0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:16.960 she was at the top of the pyramid like me, 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:19.320 but she like wasn't the star of the glee club, 0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:20.360 and she was like a little shy and she was 0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:22.360 kind of like swaying in the background. Like I would 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:23.560 be a fusion of the. 0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:26.680 Two, a star in all walks of life, a triple. 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.320 Threat, if you will, yeh, yeah, I love that. 0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:33.600 Yeah, that's great. Do you have a favorite mashup? 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:35.760 So a fun fact about me is I don't love 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:38.760 the mash up. And I'm realizing this, Like with the 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:43.600 Taylor Swift Eras tour, how like the Surprise Songs set, 0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:46.320 which started as her choosing two songs to perform in 0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:49.000 full acoustically, is now her doing like a mashup of 0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:51.360 three different songs two times. Like it's not for me. 0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:52.920 I find it a little anti climactic. 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:57.840 I really agree with that. Wow, I didn't realize I 0:29:57.840 --> 0:29:59.040 felt that way until you said it. 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.680 But walking on Sunshine x Halo is amazing. 0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:05.040 But that's the thing. I think, when they work, they 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.440 are exceptional. It's like having a bad DJ, you know somewhere, 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:10.320 like when the DJ switches a song too soon or 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:13.040 you're mixing things like these just do not work together. 0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:14.920 And I'd rather just hear these songs separately. 0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:16.640 And to be clear, like when I say I don't 0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:18.560 like mashups, IM obviously not talking about like DJ your Warm, 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:22.040 United States a Pop, but overall, like it's not for me. 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:23.720 Those were not my favorite episodes. 0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:24.400 They're not. 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:26.600 Yeah, I get that, we need to get you in 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:28.720 a room with Ryan if you's ever considering a reboots 0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:30.160 so you can talk to him about these things. 0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:32.160 I would like to be. I don't need to be 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.040 on Glee because actually we've been talking about this a 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:37.240 lot on the toe about how like acting is. Seriously 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:41.240 some only crazy people act totally. It's literally so crazy. 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.880 I did an audition once once in my life. I've 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:45.640 never stopped talking about it because it was seriously the 0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:47.720 worst thing I'd ever did, like, and I just remember 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.640 having this added body experience where I floated like to 0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:51.760 the corner of the room and just like, watch myself 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:53.960 acting like pitch. You're literally in New York City, Like 0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:55.880 what do you do? You're not You're not Pensacola like 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.640 it was. It takes like such a crazy level of delute. 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.120 Only the mentally ill can act. I'm sorry, I'm far 0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.360 too like I'm very straight laced, you know, I have 0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:08.640 like a firm grasp on reality like I can't. So 0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:10.480 I actually don't think I would even be a good 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:12.000 in Glee, But I would like to be some sort 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:16.040 of consultant when casting music choice. 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:18.880 Keep the purity, you got the purity in your head 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:19.400 of the show. 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.960 I'm a Glee purist, I will. 0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:25.600 Say too, I if it were to ever happen again, 0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:29.560 And to your further your point, I think the issue 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:32.640 with a lot of reboots is you're chasing nostalgia. You're 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:37.440 chasing the original feeling, which it is absolutely impossible. You 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:40.440 will never recapture. Like what you said, it's a time capsule. 0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:44.160 It's locked in how it is right now, which is great. Yeah, 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.040 And so like if you're ever this is I guess 0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.440 a note for any like reboot, it's got to be 0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:52.360 completely different. You can't be comparing it. 0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.880 I feel like an example that I cite sometimes when 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:57.480 I have this conversation that I don't even think is 0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:59.040 particularly good, but I feel like it's the best way 0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.720 it's been done Fuller House, because it really was like 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:05.000 an entirely new show with some of the younger kids 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.040 from the old show as the older kids. But like 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.720 now Bob sagged, he wasn't in it, but those young girls, 0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:11.880 like DJ Stephanie, they were like the parents of the show, 0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:13.400 So it was very much like a new generation. But 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:15.040 it was entirely a new show and people liked it 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.400 for you know, until Queen Queeny Laurie had to take 0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:21.680 a five month sabbatical. But up until then, like it 0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:23.880 was doing it was it was well received. 0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:26.080 No, for sure, for sure I hear that. 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:30.520 I feel like if you and I really just let 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:33.200 go and talked about pop culture, I would get canceled 0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:33.840 so quickly. 0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:37.080 The thing is is that it's so much fun to 0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:39.640 care about these like moronic things that really have no 0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.120 impact on like the world or your life. And I 0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:43.280 wake up every day and I get to do that 0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:45.720 for a living, and I'm so blessed. 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:48.800 My entire life. I have been filled. What I've always 0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:51.640 said since I was a kid, in like every friend group, 0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:55.240 I am the default person that is filled with use culture. 0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.600 And I don't even I don't seek it. Somehow, I 0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:02.040 just absorb it like yes, And I feel like you 0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:04.560 and I could just kick back and run our mouths 0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:05.520 a thousand or sent. 0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:06.880 And the great thing about my line of work is 0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:09.120 that useless information is no longer useless. You know, I'm 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:10.800 putting it to work every day. 0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:11.280 That's right. 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:12.040 Yeah. 0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:14.240 Do you find yourself ever getting in trouble for things 0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:15.160 that you say on your show. 0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:19.280 I'm just curious because it's really you, guys, Really, it's 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:20.040 it's you. 0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:20.760 Toe the line. 0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:25.760 Yes, No, we definitely. We definitely get blowback every now 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:28.880 and then, and I think how you deal with it, yes, 0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.120 affects the outcome. I think when I was younger, I 0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.480 used to freak out, Like one comment, I would like 0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:35.720 freak and I made it into this big thing in 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:37.719 my head, and in actuality it became a bigger thing 0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:40.280 because I was acting like it was And I've now 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:42.280 and there are things that I've said like that I 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:44.440 actually deeply regret, like I remember, and it was just 0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:46.160 I was thinking about this the other day when we 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.120 were reporting on Matthew Perry's passing. I had just said, 0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:52.360 you know that he died. You know, I think I 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.080 said he lost his battle with addiction, and that was 0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:57.280 like literally not reported. I just assumed that, and like 0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.040 a lot of people from the addiction community were like, 0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:01.640 that's actually not cool. Hasn't been reported and might not 0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:03.960 be true. It just like sets such a bad stigma. 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.600 It felt so bad, like when you're impacting your intention 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:10.120 are two different things, but they end up like conversing 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:11.920 with one another. That was the situation. I like, the 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:13.759 next day, I have no problem if I say something 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:16.279 that I actually feel bad about like I'm a grown 0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:17.920 ass woman, like I'm happy to apologize. 0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:18.200 Yeah. 0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.880 Yeah. Where it gets dicey is like where I share something, 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:23.360 you know, all in fun, right, the point of the 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:26.520 toast is to be fun. Yeah, and then people take 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:28.719 it out of context or literally misinterpret what I said. 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:30.359 I'm like, well, I'm not gonna apologize. I didn't say 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.600 that you think I did, but listen. And that happens 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:34.360 a lot with like clips and people just like posting 0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.840 something on TikTok, like that's actually not at all what 0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.279 I said. And I do not believe in apologizing just 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:41.840 because you got some sort of backlash, like that's actually 0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:43.840 not what I said. And so I often find that, 0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:47.279 like eighty percent of the things people get upset with 0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:50.200 us about, we didn't actually say. Yeah, aget it. We 0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:52.440 do ninety minute episodes every day, you're not sitting and 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:53.840 listening to whole thing. It makes it so easy to 0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:58.240 see this clip on TikTok. But I do not believe 0:34:58.280 --> 0:34:59.799 I think a lot of people in this industry, every 0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:01.399 time there's like a little bit of blowback there, I'm sorry, 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:03.520 I didn't mean it like statement statement. And I think 0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:05.160 that maybe at one point in my career. I would 0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:06.879 have done that because I was so afraid of any 0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:09.160 sort of backlash. But like if I didn't say it, 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:11.759 I'm not taking like that's on misunderstanding. 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:16.640 Yeah, yeah, that's not able to critically think no more. 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:18.760 Like media literacy. 0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:22.799 Literacy is at an all time low this contraption. But 0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:24.919 I also think that's the thing where you've been doing 0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.879 this for a while now and clearly hearing your thoughts 0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:30.440 just about Glee. You think deeply about these things and 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:31.560 thoroughly about these things. 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:33.319 They mean a lot to me. Like I know when 0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:34.960 some people listen to my show, like if you're not 0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:37.759 into pop culture, like it's whatever, but like if you 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.040 are obsessed with celebrities and TV, and it very much 0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.160 like raised you, these things mean a lot to me. 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.160 Like I put a lot of thought into them, and like, 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:45.920 like I was saying, even how Glee like really changed 0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:49.359 my outlook on the world, Like it's not just TV 0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:49.960 to some people. 0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:51.759 You wouldn't I spending ninety minutes a day doing it 0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:52.360 if you didn't. 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:54.720 Yeah, so I take it seriously. 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:57.520 Yeah I believe that, and you do and you're very 0:35:57.560 --> 0:35:58.799 committed to it. 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.320 How do you what is it like doing it every day, 0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.760 Like do you run out of things to say? 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:07.480 Like how a question? 0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:10.000 You know what I mean, don't We don't run out 0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:13.080 of things to say. Some episodes are obviously better than others. 0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:17.640 Certain times of year make the job really easy, Like 0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:19.879 some there's certain times a year where the celebs are 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:23.600 just like being crazy and it's so great. But like 0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:25.480 the summers, I feel like celebrities don't really like to 0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:26.880 work in the summer, Like they all go on vacation 0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.040 for weeks at a time. So sometimes it makes the 0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:31.880 job a little bit more difficult, especially when it's incumbent 0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:33.840 on what other people do, like in their personal and 0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:36.879 profestional lives. But for the most part, no, we get 0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:38.239 that a lot, Like how do you guys not run 0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:39.600 out of things to talk about? And I guess the 0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:43.480 cost wasn't my sister right, I might run out of 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:45.600 things to talk about, But we have a whole life 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.440 outside of the podcast that feeds the podcast. 0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:49.640 You know, totally totally, so. 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:51.840 I mean, Knockwood, the day might come. I mean some 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:55.000 days we're like seriously having those make the best episodes, 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:57.480 but we're just going down a rabbit hole of the 0:36:57.560 --> 0:36:59.600 dumbest thing you've ever heard about in your life, Like, 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:01.480 we have nothing else to talk about. Let me tell 0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:03.040 you some of our best moments are in. 0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:06.719 I would imagine. So it's like, you, guys, if people 0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:09.040 are in, if they're coming in to listen every single day, 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:11.640 they like you. We like you. So it's like we're 0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:13.800 down to hear whatever the hell you're going to talk about. 0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.000 Sometimes it takes us a minute, but we always get. 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:17.560 There, right. It's like therapy. 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:21.600 Yeah, I mean, and you have such loyal followers and listeners. 0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:24.440 I obviously listen to podcasts, not every single day, but 0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:27.439 I have you do listen every day, and then they'll 0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.160 be like, hey, Claudia mentioned Lee today or Claudia done 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:34.359 today or yeah, but now you guys are you guys 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:36.359 have been doing live shows you know. 0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:37.160 Quite a bit as well. 0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.080 But you have Gurly Swirlies night out at the hard 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:41.520 Rock in Hoard on December eighth. 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:42.920 What are your live shows like? 0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:45.200 So we only recently started doing it, I feel like 0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:48.120 everybody really Yeah, everybody with the podcast was like, let's 0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:49.759 do live shows, and Jack and I were kind of 0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.000 against it for a while, mostly because we do a 0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.920 show every single day, so literal most podcasts are weekly, 0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:57.880 so that leaves creative space for you to do a 0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:00.480 show one night, you know, but it's hard to like 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:03.680 do a show in the morning and then that night 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.040 also do a show because we'll never not do the morning. 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:09.160 Show and then then I say an show, right. 0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:11.279 And I think that a lot of people's podcast live 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:13.000 shows are like a little scripted, so if you go 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:15.760 to two, they're kind of similar. But because our shtick 0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.799 is topical, no two shows will ever be the same. 0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:20.680 So for a while we were like, if we put 0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:22.120 this together, we know we could sell the tickets and 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:23.759 make good money, but it wouldn't be a good show. 0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:26.279 And honestly, like, are we really like wanting to do that? 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:30.239 Like yeah, And so it wasn't until this summer where 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:33.600 we felt like, you know, we have enough shtick, games 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.480 jokes like that, we think we can do it. And 0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:40.320 we did it and it was amazing. We definitely still 0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:42.600 run into the issue of doing a show that morning, 0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:45.480 a show that night, and then a show that next morning, 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.000 because you only have so much to give creatively. So 0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:50.200 I think those where we did shows was a lot 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:53.600 for us, but we we found a way to do 0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:58.040 it that because I'm like very like even in my 0:38:58.040 --> 0:38:59.719 own life, like I'm very protective of how I spend 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:01.200 my money and if I wasted my money on a 0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:04.359 show like let alone, like people who get sitters got 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:07.400 to dinner, Like totally, it's really important that like if 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.680 you're gonna leave your family and come to my show 0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:12.600 or even travel, Yeah, I'm not putting together like a 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.480 half ass fake podcast, Like it's gonna be good. It's 0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:17.279 gonna be real, it's gonna be premium. It's not just 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:19.840 gonna be like a random guest, Like, it's gonna be 0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:21.920 the show that you love in real life. And we 0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:23.360 finally got to a place where we're like, you know, 0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:24.839 if we're gonna ask people to pay for this, this 0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:25.680 is actually worth it. 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:27.680 And not enough people come into it with that perspective. 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:30.160 No, I think that podcast live shows is very much 0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:31.640 for most people, like not to be a hater a 0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:33.400 money grab Yeah, totally. 0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.680 And you can feel that. Yeah, Like anytime I've done 0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:38.799 a show and I'm like, oh, I'm tired, how am 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:40.960 I gonna do this? Say like no, no, no, people traveled here, 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.200 spent a shit ton of money. 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:46.040 To do it, like it's the first time do it. 0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:48.439 Yeah, and we have so many listeners who are moms. 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:50.439 And I think, like when Jackie, my sister, became a mom, 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.080 I really saw how much it takes to get out 0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:54.520 of the house. Like it's not just getting dressed, like 0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:56.960 it's a million things, it's naps, it's the whole day 0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:59.040 has to go right in order for you to make 0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:01.560 your plans. And so the fact that, like people make plans, 0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.360 they leave their kids, like it's not something we take lightly. 0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:06.719 I think it really like we're honored by it, but 0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:08.440 we we feel we must do justice. 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:09.960 Yeah, yeah, sure. 0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:11.760 That's wonderful. I want to come to one of your shows. 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.160 I please so. Our last one of the year is 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:18.200 December eighth at the hard Rock in Seminole, Florida, like Hollywood. 0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:20.120 Oh my god, I love it there. I just love 0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:21.040 a casino, like. 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.600 A casino, but we have to have that. 0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:27.960 You do not want to see me like you know. 0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:29.200 Donny's passenger. 0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:32.960 I yell at everyone, I drink everything, and I sit 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:35.560 at the blackjack table and I tried desperately to make friends. 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:37.359 Yes, we love that. 0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:40.080 I'm actually like a very black jack I'm a very 0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:42.000 good blackjack player, like my husband taught me how to play. 0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:43.560 We've been together for like ten years, so when we 0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:49.200 were like eighteen exactly. So when we were like eighteen, 0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:50.399 he taught me how to play, and we would always 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:52.759 go on vacation to places that like had like Puerto Rico, 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:54.920 all these hotels that had We would go to Altax 0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:57.480 City all the time. And he's very good. He's been 0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.120 like playing with his friends for a long time, so 0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:00.960 I became very good. Like I know the book and 0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:02.720 actually I have one of those little cards sometimes. 0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:03.640 Yeah good. 0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.239 So we go to tables where it's like I know, 0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.359 I sit down and I'm like this annoying loud jew 0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:13.000 and they're like, oh god, this, she's gonna ruin the table. 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:14.600 She's gonna ruin the table. I meanwhile, I'm so good. 0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:16.759 I'm teaching everyone how to play. And I always like 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:20.240 the best tables are like when you get camaraderie and everybody. 0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:22.440 And I find that like at those like fancy tables 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:24.799 where like everybody knows how to play, they're not looking 0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:25.720 for that type of camaraderie. 0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:27.040 So I have a hard time finding my balance at 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:28.799 interesting that's fair. 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:31.640 It's like how I like I like playing craps for 0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:32.880 like the community of it. 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:37.280 Yeah, everybody's shamned the whole time. 0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.400 No, no, No, it's a lot, you know, Like you know. 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:42.399 That, Like I'm seriously on the edge of blacking out 0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:44.360 when I'm at it, and by them. I'm always like 0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:47.799 if I vape, because like you can smoke, because you 0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:50.880 can smoke in a because you know, I smoke cigarettes. 0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:53.040 But for many years I vaped, and like they kick 0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:54.719 you out of everywhere when you vape, Like I'm always 0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:56.839 going to care out of restaurants and stuff. Yeah, I'm 0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:59.360 like blacking out with my electric cigarette. And I'm like 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:02.440 these actual, like ninety seven year old man, I'm like, so, 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:06.440 what do you do for work? That's how you know, 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.560 Like it's about to get dark for oh my god, 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:13.960 let's go to Vegas. No, Like I'm so you been. 0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:16.520 I've never been to Atlantic City. 0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:20.839 You know, missing much. But back in the day when 0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:24.040 I was in college, it was so fun. It was 0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:25.719 intended to be like a mini Vegas. But they never 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.319 really recovered after Hurricane Sandy, and they're kind of like 0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:30.880 in a fiscal crisis over there, so it's not as 0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:31.600 good as it should be. 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:34.120 But I've never been to the hard rock in Florida, 0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:35.680 Oh so fun. 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:37.560 Except one of my husband's biggest scribes with it is 0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:40.280 that the drinks in the casino aren't off free what 0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:43.640 so it's on a reservation, which I that's why. 0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:46.080 Never makes it difficult. 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.480 So we've been many times and we go and we 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:51.040 pay for our own drinks. But it's not the same. 0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:52.600 Yeah, it's not the same. 0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:55.439 No, because if you're gonna lose, at least you get 0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:56.239 some drinks out of it. 0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:58.080 No. And the thing is, I actually don't even mind, 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.880 Like when I when I go to casino, like I 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:02.840 could be spending this money on a show on dinner, 0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:04.959 Like I'm I make peace with X amount of money 0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.239 that I'm going to lose. Yeah, so I actually don't 0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:10.120 mind losing it if I have so much fun the 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:11.880 cost of doing business. 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:13.439 That's excitingly how I feel. I've gone with a couple 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:16.560 of friends. It's like it's a gamble within itself because 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:17.920 you don't know how they're going to be in a casino, 0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:21.360 and they get really upset about losing the money. I'm like, no, see, 0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:24.680 I'm trying to this is my entertainment. I'm trying to 0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:26.880 have a good time. If you haven't made peace of 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:28.360 losing this money. You got to go. 0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:28.680 You got to go. 0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:31.000 Once the cash is out of my account, like to me, 0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:33.560 it doesn't exist anymore. And if it makes its way back, 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:35.960 that's just a bonus. But this is the money I've 0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:37.560 allocated for a fun night out. 0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:39.680 Yeah, and I'm okay with doing that, and like if 0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:42.160 I can stretch it to last as long as possible, 0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:43.200 that's okay. 0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:44.240 That's okay. 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:47.960 Well, come to California next year the casinos do a 0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:50.719 live We need to do an l live show, please do? 0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:53.760 I think La the La toasters are waiting. 0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:55.080 They're waiting and they're fear. 0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:58.560 Oh no, I've had multiple friends tell me like, you 0:43:58.600 --> 0:43:59.239 need to do a show. 0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:00.920 Yeah, we'll come that We do, We really do. 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:04.040 Before we let you go. We we always ask everybody 0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:06.400 on the show. What is the feeling that Glee leaves 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:06.799 you with? 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.200 Okay, I mean when I'm watching it with a critical eye, 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:16.480 it's rage mostly be guys, mister Joe, but overall, like 0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:18.279 on a really good episode where mister Sho was like 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:22.000 not offensive and this is gonna be such a lame answer, 0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:23.880 but like it's Glee, Like it's gleeful. 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:25.359 M M, Like. 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:28.680 It's full for joy. It's I love music so much, 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:29.960 like for me, if I'm in a bad mood, you 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:31.720 put on a song that I like. Like I'm really 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:36.160 instantly like motivated by music. So I and I'm always gravitating. 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:37.719 And that's like the whole theme of the podcast with 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.160 the toasts, like I'm always gravitating towards things that are joyfault, 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:42.120 towards things that are positive, like I'm not I like 0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:43.400 to complain and stuff, but I'm not one of these 0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:46.800 people who's like, you know, the Phyllis from what's that 0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:49.400 movie inside Out, like the Blue Woman, Like I like 0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:50.920 to bring joy wherever I go. And so I think 0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:53.440 like Glee really is like a show that reflects that. 0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:55.800 And even on the sad episodes, like with the music, 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.160 I just it's like corny in the best way. It's 0:44:58.200 --> 0:44:58.680 just joy. 0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:01.280 Well, I'm so glad that we got you back. 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:03.240 I love you guys so much, thank. 0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:04.080 You, oh my God. 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.600 Likewise, and I do show so we can come see. 0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:12.320 Ye enjoy that rewatch girl, it was so good. 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:12.480 To see you. 0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:15.600 Thanks for making the time, Thank you, thank you, thank 0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:16.479 you so great. 0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:18.680 Bye bye. 0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:23.000 She is really the ultimate, Like she talks about it 0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:25.280 on her show all the time. 0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:27.960 She's watched it more than most. 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:32.120 People, and she knows the show in and out better. 0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:32.360 Than we do. 0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:36.000 Kevin like, psychologically she understands oh yeah, yeah, she gets it. 0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:36.799 She gets it. 0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:40.000 She truly just way better than we know. 0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:42.080 You know, time and time again, talking to all of 0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:44.600 you who have these thoughts about the show just continue 0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:46.960 to be highlights of doing this podcast. 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:50.479 Love it well, Thank you so much for joining us 0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:52.080 and taking the time. 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:58.080 She does a show every single morning. The toast, the toasties, 0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:02.120 and the toasters are so committed And if you're interested, 0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:04.719 thanks for listening to our show and coming over. And 0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:05.680 that's what you really missed. 0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:09.400 Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at and 0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:11.680 That's what you really miss pod. Make sure to write 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:14.040 us a review and leave us five stars. See you 0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:14.439 next time.