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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to and that's what you really miss podcasts whoa

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Speaker 3: special special special Okay, we were returning guest, but yes,

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Speaker 3: but her episode never aired when we recorded it back

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty for multiple reasons. She talked about it

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Speaker 2: When we scrapped the whole podcast in general, we stopped it.

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Speaker 2: We shut down the podcast.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: So and I had passed away and we hadn't aired

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Speaker 3: her podcast yet, her episode yet, and then you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, obviously, you know we've come back in a

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Speaker 1: So here is Claude.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's the ultimate leak. They do a show every

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Speaker 3: single day. It's the toast PhD in pop culture and

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Speaker 3: you don't want to missus convo. She knows the show

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Speaker 3: better than we do.

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Speaker 2: Here's Claudia.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back. Oh I'm so excited. Thank you guys so

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Speaker 4: much for having me again. We're so happy to have you, like,

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Speaker 4: it's about time the world heard my thoughts, ugly, and it's.

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Speaker 1: A it's been a minute. It's been almost what four years,

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Speaker 1: It has been four years.

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Speaker 4: Since we recorded that episode, and I've probably rewatched I

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Speaker 2: Okay, oh thank god. And what people need to know is,

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Speaker 2: you know a lot of people like came to the

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Speaker 2: show during the pandemic because of TikTok. Yes, you've never

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Speaker 4: In the words of Taylor Swift, I'm right where you

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Speaker 4: left me, like I never left. I'm still at the restaurant.

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Speaker 4: I watched it live in high school, like I was

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Speaker 4: and I have rewatched it, probably in full. But the

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Speaker 4: crazy thing is, and I find that this actually happens

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Speaker 4: a lot with people who like rewatch shows. I have

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Speaker 4: never seen the final episode of Clay. I couldn't bring

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Speaker 4: social media, so I know that like spoiler, literally Michelle

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Speaker 4: Honestly at this rate, I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: I would, right, you may as well, it's like, yeah, not,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure I know I would cry.

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Speaker 4: What does that mean? Too?

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Speaker 1: So there's it's like a two parter, right Kevin, And

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Speaker 4: It is like every time I rewatch it, and when

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Speaker 4: She's all Holy Night and she looked insane And even

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Speaker 2: But you know, we've all been through it.

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Speaker 2: We would get We get royalties from the songs still, yeah,

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Speaker 4: until that point was like really was like emblematic of

441
00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,800
Speaker 4: a cast of characters that you don't normally see have

442
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,280
Speaker 4: to be it was kind of strange. And then I

443
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,320
Speaker 4: also and then now imagining you like going on tour,

444
00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,240
Speaker 4: wheeling around on stage, like what sort of prep physically

445
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,920
Speaker 4: do you have to do? Because I imagine that's really

446
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,919
Speaker 4: tough on your arms.

447
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,160
Speaker 2: It wasn't really.

448
00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,520
Speaker 3: Okay, but there were times that you had to get

449
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 3: over like those really big humps of like cords and wires,

450
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,359
Speaker 3: and I remember being like, oh, wow, this is actually

451
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,399
Speaker 3: harder than being on the show where you like, you know,

452
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,360
Speaker 3: and hard is a relative traier in terms of that's

453
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 3: Kevin's saying in a chair and not being handicapped by himself,

454
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,080
Speaker 3: but like you know, like getting over these things. And

455
00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,720
Speaker 3: I was like, but he We tried to help him, as.

456
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,200
Speaker 2: On the tour they had to. I mean, there was

457
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,200
Speaker 2: physically like a ramp that I could right get up.

458
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,240
Speaker 2: It was way too steep, and so that was built

459
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 2: into the choreography. But you're on flat surfaces. And I

460
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,200
Speaker 2: think in my mind too, I was also very conscious

461
00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 2: of like, people who live in this day and day out,

462
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,200
Speaker 2: this is nothing. I'm fully like, this is absolutely fictional.

463
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 4: This is not a real you can get up and

464
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 4: go home and walk.

465
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 2: Yes, And I do think and we've said it before,

466
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,440
Speaker 2: but like Glee was in that like sort of transitional

467
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 2: period where it was the end of the old ways,

468
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 2: you know, of like we didn't really know better because like, yeah,

469
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 2: the show was representative of so many different types of people.

470
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 2: But like still, casting actors who were able body to

471
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 2: be in chairs was not a thought I get to you,

472
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,919
Speaker 2: And it was not even in the frame of like

473
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 2: it was until because of what the show became and

474
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,399
Speaker 2: it became about representing so many people that like when

475
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 2: the Wheels episode came out, I went to so many

476
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 2: events and met so many people in chairs or kids

477
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 2: and chairs and parents of and it was through that

478
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,920
Speaker 2: then you're like, Okay, now we're educating ourselves, we're educating

479
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 2: a white audience, and now we know yeah, no.

480
00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 4: It's just kind of like one of the fun facts.

481
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 4: And I feel like, maybe do you have this experience,

482
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 4: Like I don't think everybody knows that about you, Like

483
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:05,679
Speaker 4: I think maybe a lot of people assumed that you

484
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 4: were in a chair. So I imagine like if you run

485
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 4: into a leak in real life. They sometimes they're like,

486
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 4: oh my god, every day really really every day.

487
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 2: Oh And when we used to go on like do

488
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 2: press things or on tour, like they would give me

489
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 2: like the handicap.

490
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 4: Room you are lying and I.

491
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,199
Speaker 2: Would feel really bad because I'm like somebody who actually

492
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,719
Speaker 2: needs this room, yes, And so I'd be like, I

493
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 2: don't need that room.

494
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 4: Yes, oh my, oh my, that's really crazy.

495
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, people, and we talk about it like today

496
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 3: if like you know, hypothetical like gleor reyboot, could Kevin

497
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 3: come back?

498
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 2: Well? Because and it's also like if it was a

499
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 2: similar thing to like casting real trans people to play

500
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: trans characters, right, total, if people do not know that

501
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 2: there's an opportunity for them, then you won't find people

502
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 2: to do the job. And so we know now there

503
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: are so many incredible actors in chairs that can have

504
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 2: the jobs, right, so they should be the ones representing that.

505
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: I think it is different from the gayer straight conversation. Yeah,

506
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 2: I think it's the same.

507
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 4: Speaking of a reboot, Like it's so funny because when

508
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 4: I think about like shows that I would love to

509
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 4: see rebooted or like a little reunion, Glee really doesn't

510
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 4: come to mind. And I'm not sure if that's because

511
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 4: so many people have passed. I don't know when I think,

512
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 4: like I'm not I and I'm the biggest fan, Like

513
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 4: I'm not personally waiting for a Glee reunion, Like I

514
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 4: actually think it might ruin the magic to see it

515
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:29,479
Speaker 4: all together, Like how much has happened negatively since then? Honestly,

516
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 4: I think the show kind of being preserved, like leave

517
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 4: the legacy of it alone. Like it's good.

518
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 3: That's actually very refreshing to hear because obviously we hear

519
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 3: like is there going to be reboot?

520
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: When is the reboot coming?

521
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 3: Because everything around us is being rebooted, and so it's

522
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 3: very refreshing to hear that from somebody who is a

523
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 3: huge hardcore gleek yeah, who has been there from the beginning.

524
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 1: I agree.

525
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: I think my thought is if there was a reboot,

526
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: it should be take the same premise all New y

527
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 2: do it somewhere else? Do New Kids do? Change it

528
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 2: a little bit, because like that's those stories need to

529
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: be told that I think those stories, yeah, would be

530
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: different in twenty twenty five, you know, like it's.

531
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: Oh, there's so much good music that you could eat.

532
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 4: And by the way, like if you are bringing back

533
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 4: the show, it is absolutely paramount that mister Schuster was

534
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 4: fired years ago.

535
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 3: Well, well let's talk about that, because I know that

536
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,959
Speaker 3: you have like a real disdain for the way that

537
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 3: I have a and every.

538
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 4: Time I watch it I feel even more, Yeah.

539
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 2: It's aging, poor, Like it's aging.

540
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 3: So what did you think about him from the first

541
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 3: time you watched it to to now this, I actually.

542
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 4: Didn't think anything of it. Like I saw him as

543
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 4: just like a teacher, Like he was kind of like

544
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 4: neutral to me. Okay, and the older I got, and

545
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 4: you know, the older you realize more about like boundaries

546
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 4: and just like what's appropriate and what's not. Every time

547
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 4: I watch there's something new, Like I forget what it was,

548
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 4: but I mean, oh okay, wait, okay, I remember. I

549
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 4: think it was like season one where oh oh, he

550
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 4: starts like his uh own little group with like some

551
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 4: of the teachers, like that original football coach Ken yell

552
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 4: So Howard from Lennon's and things ye, because like some

553
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 4: of the glee kids are acting out, so he's like,

554
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 4: you guys like won't be my glee club. I'll do

555
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 4: my own glee club. And he starts like neglecting the

556
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 4: kids in the club for his own personal passion project

557
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 4: and it's like your students literally need you. He's really

558
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 4: just like so obsessed with his own image. And what's

559
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 4: funny is that episode with Neil Patrick Harris where like

560
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 4: they kind of hate each other because like Neil Patrick

561
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 4: Harris like wants me to starts like mister she doesn't

562
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 4: realize like he is Neils Patrick Harris times a thousand,

563
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 4: like he is worse, and just there's so many instances

564
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 4: like where the student teacher relationship and the boundaries like.

565
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: We're so like, why when is his best man in

566
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 1: the wedding?

567
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 4: Like students in his house? Like I've never been in

568
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 4: my teacher's house in my life.

569
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: Go get your own friends.

570
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they know all each other's business. It's like,

571
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: why I do not need to know what's going on,

572
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 2: who you're sleeping with your dating?

573
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 4: Yeah? So no, yeah.

574
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 3: And also his assignments are like he comes up with

575
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 3: the assignments in that moment in the very first scene.

576
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 4: He doesn't know Crep.

577
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: We're like, come on, mister shoe, get it together. Be

578
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: a teacher.

579
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 4: And it claims like he doesn't listen to the kids ever,

580
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 4: like and it's an after school curricular activity, Like I

581
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 4: understand not listening to the kids in Spanish class, like whatever,

582
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 4: but this is supposed to be an outlet for kids

583
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 4: to be creative and express themselves and what their own

584
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 4: interests are. So when you guys are like begging to

585
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 4: do a Britney Spears episode and he's like, no, we're

586
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 4: doing journey. It's like, why you're stifling the creativity of

587
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 4: the kids that you claim to care about and like

588
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 4: want them to flourish. You're literally the problem. Like I hate.

589
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: Him, you guys, he's gotten creeper, It's.

590
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: Gotten I feel bad for Matt Morrison because I'm like,

591
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 2: it's not his faults, but he's.

592
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 4: Doing hard to separate the art from the artist. And

593
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 4: that's I think what our generation is struggling with, like

594
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 4: because he sort of gets a lot of hate when

595
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: it's not him. There's something wrong with him. Character that

596
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 4: they wrote for him was so disgusting, and he did

597
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 4: it so well, and he didn't he didn't do anything

598
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 4: afterwards that was bigger than that, So people really just

599
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 4: associate him with this show.

600
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is mad is around our age.

601
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: So like he he you know, he had a leadership

602
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: role like off screen, and he kind of like really

603
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 3: did find his own time and like his own space,

604
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: and he didn't always like get involved in all of

605
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: us and the drama and all the things that were

606
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: going on with us. But like he he was very

607
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 3: close in age.

608
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 4: To all of us.

609
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: Like here, he wasn't really older, so we saw him

610
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: as a peer.

611
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: He was like what three years older than like Corey.

612
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a peer for us, and so we

613
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 3: treated him like a friend. So then of course after

614
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: three years you know.

615
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 4: And I actually remember reading that in the beginning of

616
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 4: the show he was dating Lea Michelle very briefly, so

617
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 4: that actually tracks with the age.

618
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: I did not date in the beginning of the show.

619
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: Didn't they have something before the show?

620
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 4: Well, that just only proves that, like everybody was really

621
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 4: close in age.

622
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 3: Exactly, Like, yes, I think he and I shouldn't have

623
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 3: been our teacher.

624
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: He and I are ten years apart.

625
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 3: Did you know that it was actually originally written with

626
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: the idea of Justin Timberlake in mind, okay.

627
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 4: One thousand percent, Like they couldn't afford Justake, so they

628
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 4: got mister Shoe instead. Like that is he is like

629
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 4: the Walmart version of Justin Timberlake. That's an amazing like

630
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 4: one thousand percent.

631
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

632
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 4: And by the way, when Holly Holliday comes into substitute

633
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 4: because he's really sick, like a couple of times that

634
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 4: she comes in actual Spanish teacher, well not only in

635
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 4: the Spanish department, but in the bleed department too. It

636
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 4: really highlights how bad of a job he did. Like,

637
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 4: the kids love her so much.

638
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: She's so freeing.

639
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 4: She's the exact tive of teacher you want in like

640
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 4: a creative arts like extracurricular activity and honestly like jail.

641
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: But she lacked the commitment you know what I mean.

642
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 4: She but you also as a teacher, like at the

643
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 4: end of the day, you do have to be like

644
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 4: an authoritarian. And yeah, she was too like punish. She

645
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 4: was too cool with best friends, with everyone, like she

646
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 4: wasn't gonna really hould them with an iron fist.

647
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: She was a substitute. She was the funny as Yeah

648
00:27:59,560 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 2: that's right.

649
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah that gets to give.

650
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: The you get to get away with murder?

651
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right.

652
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 3: If you were on Glee, and obviously aside from Rachel Barry, like,

653
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 3: what would your character be like?

654
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 4: That's an amazing question. That's something I've actually not thought about,

655
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 4: Like am I playing myself? Or I could write any

656
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 4: character for myself whatever you want. I mean, I was

657
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 4: so obsessed and I grew up very much like watching

658
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 4: the movies and TV shows of like really kind of

659
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 4: corny traditional high school like mean girls. So I always

660
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 4: envision when I would get to high school, like I

661
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Speaker 4: would be a cheerleader and my boyfriend movie the Quarterback,

662
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Speaker 4: Like those are the types of movies I watched. And

663
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Speaker 4: mind you, I went to like a Jewish day school

664
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Speaker 4: in Manhattan that had neither a cheerleading squad nor football team.

665
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Speaker 4: Like so the dream, like the life that I wanted

666
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Speaker 4: to have for myself I never got to see. And

667
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Speaker 4: it was like so influenced by movies and TV shows

668
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Speaker 4: and like you know those early two thousands types of movies, right, bring.

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Speaker 2: It on, And so I would like movies.

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Speaker 4: Perfect movies, and I would create a character like that.

671
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Speaker 4: It's just that very much like a blend of Rachel

672
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Speaker 4: and Quinn, because like Quinn was was pretty awful, but

673
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 4: she had like what I wanted, which was like everybody

674
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Speaker 4: thought she was pretty and she was a cheerleader and

675
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Speaker 4: she was at the top of the pyramid like me,

676
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Speaker 4: but she like wasn't the star of the glee club,

677
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Speaker 4: and she was like a little shy and she was

678
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Speaker 4: kind of like swaying in the background. Like I would

679
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Speaker 4: be a fusion of the.

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Speaker 2: Two, a star in all walks of life, a triple.

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Speaker 4: Threat, if you will, yeh, yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Do you have a favorite mashup?

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Speaker 4: So a fun fact about me is I don't love

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Speaker 4: the mash up. And I'm realizing this, Like with the

685
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Speaker 4: Taylor Swift Eras tour, how like the Surprise Songs set,

686
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Speaker 4: which started as her choosing two songs to perform in

687
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Speaker 4: full acoustically, is now her doing like a mashup of

688
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Speaker 4: three different songs two times. Like it's not for me.

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Speaker 4: I find it a little anti climactic.

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Speaker 2: I really agree with that. Wow, I didn't realize I

691
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Speaker 2: felt that way until you said it.

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Speaker 4: But walking on Sunshine x Halo is amazing.

693
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Speaker 2: But that's the thing. I think, when they work, they

694
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Speaker 2: are exceptional. It's like having a bad DJ, you know somewhere,

695
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: like when the DJ switches a song too soon or

696
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Speaker 2: you're mixing things like these just do not work together.

697
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Speaker 2: And I'd rather just hear these songs separately.

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Speaker 4: And to be clear, like when I say I don't

699
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Speaker 4: like mashups, IM obviously not talking about like DJ your Warm,

700
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Speaker 4: United States a Pop, but overall, like it's not for me.

701
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Speaker 4: Those were not my favorite episodes.

702
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Speaker 3: They're not.

703
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that, we need to get you in

704
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Speaker 2: a room with Ryan if you's ever considering a reboots

705
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: so you can talk to him about these things.

706
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Speaker 4: I would like to be. I don't need to be

707
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Speaker 4: on Glee because actually we've been talking about this a

708
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 4: lot on the toe about how like acting is. Seriously

709
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 4: some only crazy people act totally. It's literally so crazy.

710
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Speaker 4: I did an audition once once in my life. I've

711
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 4: never stopped talking about it because it was seriously the

712
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Speaker 4: worst thing I'd ever did, like, and I just remember

713
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: having this added body experience where I floated like to

714
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Speaker 4: the corner of the room and just like, watch myself

715
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Speaker 4: acting like pitch. You're literally in New York City, Like

716
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Speaker 4: what do you do? You're not You're not Pensacola like

717
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Speaker 4: it was. It takes like such a crazy level of delute.

718
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 4: Only the mentally ill can act. I'm sorry, I'm far

719
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Speaker 4: too like I'm very straight laced, you know, I have

720
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Speaker 4: like a firm grasp on reality like I can't. So

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Speaker 4: I actually don't think I would even be a good

722
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Speaker 4: in Glee, But I would like to be some sort

723
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Speaker 4: of consultant when casting music choice.

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Speaker 2: Keep the purity, you got the purity in your head

725
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Speaker 2: of the show.

726
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 4: I'm a Glee purist, I will.

727
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Speaker 2: Say too, I if it were to ever happen again,

728
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Speaker 2: And to your further your point, I think the issue

729
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Speaker 2: with a lot of reboots is you're chasing nostalgia. You're

730
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Speaker 2: chasing the original feeling, which it is absolutely impossible. You

731
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Speaker 2: will never recapture. Like what you said, it's a time capsule.

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Speaker 2: It's locked in how it is right now, which is great. Yeah,

733
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Speaker 2: And so like if you're ever this is I guess

734
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Speaker 2: a note for any like reboot, it's got to be

735
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Speaker 2: completely different. You can't be comparing it.

736
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Speaker 4: I feel like an example that I cite sometimes when

737
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Speaker 4: I have this conversation that I don't even think is

738
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Speaker 4: particularly good, but I feel like it's the best way

739
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 4: it's been done Fuller House, because it really was like

740
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Speaker 4: an entirely new show with some of the younger kids

741
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Speaker 4: from the old show as the older kids. But like

742
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Speaker 4: now Bob sagged, he wasn't in it, but those young girls,

743
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 4: like DJ Stephanie, they were like the parents of the show,

744
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: So it was very much like a new generation. But

745
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 4: it was entirely a new show and people liked it

746
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Speaker 4: for you know, until Queen Queeny Laurie had to take

747
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 4: a five month sabbatical. But up until then, like it

748
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Speaker 4: was doing it was it was well received.

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Speaker 1: No, for sure, for sure I hear that.

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Speaker 2: I feel like if you and I really just let

751
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: go and talked about pop culture, I would get canceled

752
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: so quickly.

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Speaker 4: The thing is is that it's so much fun to

754
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 4: care about these like moronic things that really have no

755
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: impact on like the world or your life. And I

756
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: wake up every day and I get to do that

757
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 4: for a living, and I'm so blessed.

758
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Speaker 2: My entire life. I have been filled. What I've always

759
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: said since I was a kid, in like every friend group,

760
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Speaker 2: I am the default person that is filled with use culture.

761
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Speaker 2: And I don't even I don't seek it. Somehow, I

762
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: just absorb it like yes, And I feel like you

763
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: and I could just kick back and run our mouths

764
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Speaker 2: a thousand or sent.

765
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Speaker 4: And the great thing about my line of work is

766
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Speaker 4: that useless information is no longer useless. You know, I'm

767
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: putting it to work every day.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

769
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you find yourself ever getting in trouble for things

771
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Speaker 1: that you say on your show.

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Speaker 3: I'm just curious because it's really you, guys, Really, it's

773
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Speaker 3: it's you.

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Speaker 1: Toe the line.

775
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Speaker 4: Yes, No, we definitely. We definitely get blowback every now

776
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 4: and then, and I think how you deal with it, yes,

777
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: affects the outcome. I think when I was younger, I

778
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 4: used to freak out, Like one comment, I would like

779
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 4: freak and I made it into this big thing in

780
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Speaker 4: my head, and in actuality it became a bigger thing

781
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Speaker 4: because I was acting like it was And I've now

782
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Speaker 4: and there are things that I've said like that I

783
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Speaker 4: actually deeply regret, like I remember, and it was just

784
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 4: I was thinking about this the other day when we

785
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Speaker 4: were reporting on Matthew Perry's passing. I had just said,

786
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 4: you know that he died. You know, I think I

787
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 4: said he lost his battle with addiction, and that was

788
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 4: like literally not reported. I just assumed that, and like

789
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 4: a lot of people from the addiction community were like,

790
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 4: that's actually not cool. Hasn't been reported and might not

791
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 4: be true. It just like sets such a bad stigma.

792
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 4: It felt so bad, like when you're impacting your intention

793
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 4: are two different things, but they end up like conversing

794
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 4: with one another. That was the situation. I like, the

795
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 4: next day, I have no problem if I say something

796
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Speaker 4: that I actually feel bad about like I'm a grown

797
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: ass woman, like I'm happy to apologize.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

799
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Where it gets dicey is like where I share something,

800
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Speaker 4: you know, all in fun, right, the point of the

801
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 4: toast is to be fun. Yeah, and then people take

802
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 4: it out of context or literally misinterpret what I said.

803
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, I'm not gonna apologize. I didn't say

804
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: that you think I did, but listen. And that happens

805
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 4: a lot with like clips and people just like posting

806
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 4: something on TikTok, like that's actually not at all what

807
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 4: I said. And I do not believe in apologizing just

808
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 4: because you got some sort of backlash, like that's actually

809
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 4: not what I said. And so I often find that,

810
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 4: like eighty percent of the things people get upset with

811
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 4: us about, we didn't actually say. Yeah, aget it. We

812
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 4: do ninety minute episodes every day, you're not sitting and

813
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 4: listening to whole thing. It makes it so easy to

814
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 4: see this clip on TikTok. But I do not believe

815
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people in this industry, every

816
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 4: time there's like a little bit of blowback there, I'm sorry,

817
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 4: I didn't mean it like statement statement. And I think

818
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: that maybe at one point in my career. I would

819
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 4: have done that because I was so afraid of any

820
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 4: sort of backlash. But like if I didn't say it,

821
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 4: I'm not taking like that's on misunderstanding.

822
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's not able to critically think no more.

823
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 4: Like media literacy.

824
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: Literacy is at an all time low this contraption. But

825
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 2: I also think that's the thing where you've been doing

826
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 2: this for a while now and clearly hearing your thoughts

827
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: just about Glee. You think deeply about these things and

828
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: thoroughly about these things.

829
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Speaker 4: They mean a lot to me. Like I know when

830
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 4: some people listen to my show, like if you're not

831
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 4: into pop culture, like it's whatever, but like if you

832
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 4: are obsessed with celebrities and TV, and it very much

833
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 4: like raised you, these things mean a lot to me.

834
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 4: Like I put a lot of thought into them, and like,

835
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Speaker 4: like I was saying, even how Glee like really changed

836
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 4: my outlook on the world, Like it's not just TV

837
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 4: to some people.

838
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Speaker 2: You wouldn't I spending ninety minutes a day doing it

839
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: if you didn't.

840
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I take it seriously.

841
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah I believe that, and you do and you're very

842
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: committed to it.

843
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 3: How do you what is it like doing it every day,

844
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 3: Like do you run out of things to say?

845
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: Like how a question?

846
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, don't We don't run out

847
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 4: of things to say. Some episodes are obviously better than others.

848
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 4: Certain times of year make the job really easy, Like

849
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 4: some there's certain times a year where the celebs are

850
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 4: just like being crazy and it's so great. But like

851
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 4: the summers, I feel like celebrities don't really like to

852
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 4: work in the summer, Like they all go on vacation

853
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: for weeks at a time. So sometimes it makes the

854
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 4: job a little bit more difficult, especially when it's incumbent

855
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 4: on what other people do, like in their personal and

856
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 4: profestional lives. But for the most part, no, we get

857
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 4: that a lot, Like how do you guys not run

858
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 4: out of things to talk about? And I guess the

859
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 4: cost wasn't my sister right, I might run out of

860
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 4: things to talk about, But we have a whole life

861
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 4: outside of the podcast that feeds the podcast.

862
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: You know, totally totally, so.

863
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 4: I mean, Knockwood, the day might come. I mean some

864
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 4: days we're like seriously having those make the best episodes,

865
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Speaker 4: but we're just going down a rabbit hole of the

866
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Speaker 4: dumbest thing you've ever heard about in your life, Like,

867
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Speaker 4: we have nothing else to talk about. Let me tell

868
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 4: you some of our best moments are in.

869
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: I would imagine. So it's like, you, guys, if people

870
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: are in, if they're coming in to listen every single day,

871
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: they like you. We like you. So it's like we're

872
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 2: down to hear whatever the hell you're going to talk about.

873
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 4: Sometimes it takes us a minute, but we always get.

874
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: There, right. It's like therapy.

875
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and you have such loyal followers and listeners.

876
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: I obviously listen to podcasts, not every single day, but

877
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 3: I have you do listen every day, and then they'll

878
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: be like, hey, Claudia mentioned Lee today or Claudia done

879
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 3: today or yeah, but now you guys are you guys

880
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 3: have been doing live shows you know.

881
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: Quite a bit as well.

882
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: But you have Gurly Swirlies night out at the hard

883
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: Rock in Hoard on December eighth.

884
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: What are your live shows like?

885
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 4: So we only recently started doing it, I feel like

886
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: everybody really Yeah, everybody with the podcast was like, let's

887
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 4: do live shows, and Jack and I were kind of

888
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 4: against it for a while, mostly because we do a

889
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 4: show every single day, so literal most podcasts are weekly,

890
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 4: so that leaves creative space for you to do a

891
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 4: show one night, you know, but it's hard to like

892
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 4: do a show in the morning and then that night

893
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 4: also do a show because we'll never not do the morning.

894
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: Show and then then I say an show, right.

895
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 4: And I think that a lot of people's podcast live

896
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 4: shows are like a little scripted, so if you go

897
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 4: to two, they're kind of similar. But because our shtick

898
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 4: is topical, no two shows will ever be the same.

899
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 4: So for a while we were like, if we put

900
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 4: this together, we know we could sell the tickets and

901
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 4: make good money, but it wouldn't be a good show.

902
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 4: And honestly, like, are we really like wanting to do that?

903
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 4: Like yeah, And so it wasn't until this summer where

904
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 4: we felt like, you know, we have enough shtick, games

905
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 4: jokes like that, we think we can do it. And

906
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 4: we did it and it was amazing. We definitely still

907
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 4: run into the issue of doing a show that morning,

908
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 4: a show that night, and then a show that next morning,

909
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 4: because you only have so much to give creatively. So

910
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: I think those where we did shows was a lot

911
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 4: for us, but we we found a way to do

912
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 4: it that because I'm like very like even in my

913
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 4: own life, like I'm very protective of how I spend

914
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 4: my money and if I wasted my money on a

915
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 4: show like let alone, like people who get sitters got

916
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 4: to dinner, Like totally, it's really important that like if

917
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 4: you're gonna leave your family and come to my show

918
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 4: or even travel, Yeah, I'm not putting together like a

919
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 4: half ass fake podcast, Like it's gonna be good. It's

920
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 4: gonna be real, it's gonna be premium. It's not just

921
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 4: gonna be like a random guest, Like, it's gonna be

922
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 4: the show that you love in real life. And we

923
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 4: finally got to a place where we're like, you know,

924
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 4: if we're gonna ask people to pay for this, this

925
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: is actually worth it.

926
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: And not enough people come into it with that perspective.

927
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 4: No, I think that podcast live shows is very much

928
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 4: for most people, like not to be a hater a

929
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 4: money grab Yeah, totally.

930
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: And you can feel that. Yeah, Like anytime I've done

931
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: a show and I'm like, oh, I'm tired, how am

932
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: I gonna do this? Say like no, no, no, people traveled here,

933
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: spent a shit ton of money.

934
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: To do it, like it's the first time do it.

935
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we have so many listeners who are moms.

936
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 4: And I think, like when Jackie, my sister, became a mom,

937
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: I really saw how much it takes to get out

938
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 4: of the house. Like it's not just getting dressed, like

939
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 4: it's a million things, it's naps, it's the whole day

940
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 4: has to go right in order for you to make

941
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: your plans. And so the fact that, like people make plans,

942
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 4: they leave their kids, like it's not something we take lightly.

943
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 4: I think it really like we're honored by it, but

944
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 4: we we feel we must do justice.

945
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure.

946
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 2: That's wonderful. I want to come to one of your shows.

947
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 4: I please so. Our last one of the year is

948
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 4: December eighth at the hard Rock in Seminole, Florida, like Hollywood.

949
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I love it there. I just love

950
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 4: a casino, like.

951
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: A casino, but we have to have that.

952
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 4: You do not want to see me like you know.

953
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: Donny's passenger.

954
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 4: I yell at everyone, I drink everything, and I sit

955
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 4: at the blackjack table and I tried desperately to make friends.

956
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: Yes, we love that.

957
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 4: I'm actually like a very black jack I'm a very

958
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 4: good blackjack player, like my husband taught me how to play.

959
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 4: We've been together for like ten years, so when we

960
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 4: were like eighteen exactly. So when we were like eighteen,

961
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 4: he taught me how to play, and we would always

962
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 4: go on vacation to places that like had like Puerto Rico,

963
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 4: all these hotels that had We would go to Altax

964
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 4: City all the time. And he's very good. He's been

965
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 4: like playing with his friends for a long time, so

966
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 4: I became very good. Like I know the book and

967
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 4: actually I have one of those little cards sometimes.

968
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah good.

969
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 4: So we go to tables where it's like I know,

970
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 4: I sit down and I'm like this annoying loud jew

971
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 4: and they're like, oh god, this, she's gonna ruin the table.

972
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 4: She's gonna ruin the table. I meanwhile, I'm so good.

973
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 4: I'm teaching everyone how to play. And I always like

974
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 4: the best tables are like when you get camaraderie and everybody.

975
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 4: And I find that like at those like fancy tables

976
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 4: where like everybody knows how to play, they're not looking

977
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 4: for that type of camaraderie.

978
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: So I have a hard time finding my balance at

979
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: interesting that's fair.

980
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: It's like how I like I like playing craps for

981
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: like the community of it.

982
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody's shamned the whole time.

983
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: No, no, No, it's a lot, you know, Like you know.

984
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 4: That, Like I'm seriously on the edge of blacking out

985
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 4: when I'm at it, and by them. I'm always like

986
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 4: if I vape, because like you can smoke, because you

987
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 4: can smoke in a because you know, I smoke cigarettes.

988
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 4: But for many years I vaped, and like they kick

989
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 4: you out of everywhere when you vape, Like I'm always

990
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 4: going to care out of restaurants and stuff. Yeah, I'm

991
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 4: like blacking out with my electric cigarette. And I'm like

992
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 4: these actual, like ninety seven year old man, I'm like, so,

993
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 4: what do you do for work? That's how you know,

994
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 4: Like it's about to get dark for oh my god,

995
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: let's go to Vegas. No, Like I'm so you been.

996
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: I've never been to Atlantic City.

997
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 4: You know, missing much. But back in the day when

998
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: I was in college, it was so fun. It was

999
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 4: intended to be like a mini Vegas. But they never

1000
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 4: really recovered after Hurricane Sandy, and they're kind of like

1001
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 4: in a fiscal crisis over there, so it's not as

1002
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 4: good as it should be.

1003
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: But I've never been to the hard rock in Florida,

1004
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: Oh so fun.

1005
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 4: Except one of my husband's biggest scribes with it is

1006
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 4: that the drinks in the casino aren't off free what

1007
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 4: so it's on a reservation, which I that's why.

1008
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: Never makes it difficult.

1009
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 4: So we've been many times and we go and we

1010
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 4: pay for our own drinks. But it's not the same.

1011
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the same.

1012
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 2: No, because if you're gonna lose, at least you get

1013
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: some drinks out of it.

1014
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: No. And the thing is, I actually don't even mind,

1015
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 4: Like when I when I go to casino, like I

1016
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 4: could be spending this money on a show on dinner,

1017
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,959
Speaker 4: Like I'm I make peace with X amount of money

1018
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 4: that I'm going to lose. Yeah, so I actually don't

1019
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: mind losing it if I have so much fun the

1020
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 4: cost of doing business.

1021
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 2: That's excitingly how I feel. I've gone with a couple

1022
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: of friends. It's like it's a gamble within itself because

1023
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: you don't know how they're going to be in a casino,

1024
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: and they get really upset about losing the money. I'm like, no, see,

1025
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: I'm trying to this is my entertainment. I'm trying to

1026
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: have a good time. If you haven't made peace of

1027
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: losing this money. You got to go.

1028
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: You got to go.

1029
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: Once the cash is out of my account, like to me,

1030
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 4: it doesn't exist anymore. And if it makes its way back,

1031
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: that's just a bonus. But this is the money I've

1032
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 4: allocated for a fun night out.

1033
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm okay with doing that, and like if

1034
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: I can stretch it to last as long as possible,

1035
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: that's okay.

1036
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 4: That's okay.

1037
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: Well, come to California next year the casinos do a

1038
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: live We need to do an l live show, please do?

1039
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: I think La the La toasters are waiting.

1040
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 4: They're waiting and they're fear.

1041
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: Oh no, I've had multiple friends tell me like, you

1042
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: need to do a show.

1043
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll come that We do, We really do.

1044
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: Before we let you go. We we always ask everybody

1045
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: on the show. What is the feeling that Glee leaves

1046
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 3: you with?

1047
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean when I'm watching it with a critical eye,

1048
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 4: it's rage mostly be guys, mister Joe, but overall, like

1049
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 4: on a really good episode where mister Sho was like

1050
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 4: not offensive and this is gonna be such a lame answer,

1051
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 4: but like it's Glee, Like it's gleeful.

1052
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: M M, Like.

1053
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 4: It's full for joy. It's I love music so much,

1054
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 4: like for me, if I'm in a bad mood, you

1055
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 4: put on a song that I like. Like I'm really

1056
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 4: instantly like motivated by music. So I and I'm always gravitating.

1057
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 4: And that's like the whole theme of the podcast with

1058
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 4: the toasts, like I'm always gravitating towards things that are joyfault,

1059
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 4: towards things that are positive, like I'm not I like

1060
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 4: to complain and stuff, but I'm not one of these

1061
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 4: people who's like, you know, the Phyllis from what's that

1062
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 4: movie inside Out, like the Blue Woman, Like I like

1063
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 4: to bring joy wherever I go. And so I think

1064
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 4: like Glee really is like a show that reflects that.

1065
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 4: And even on the sad episodes, like with the music,

1066
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: I just it's like corny in the best way. It's

1067
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 4: just joy.

1068
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad that we got you back.

1069
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 4: I love you guys so much, thank.

1070
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: You, oh my God.

1071
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: Likewise, and I do show so we can come see.

1072
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: Ye enjoy that rewatch girl, it was so good.

1073
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: To see you.

1074
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: Thanks for making the time, Thank you, thank you, thank

1075
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 1: you so great.

1076
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 4: Bye bye.

1077
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: She is really the ultimate, Like she talks about it

1078
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 3: on her show all the time.

1079
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: She's watched it more than most.

1080
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: People, and she knows the show in and out better.

1081
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: Than we do.

1082
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: Kevin like, psychologically she understands oh yeah, yeah, she gets it.

1083
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 4: She gets it.

1084
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: She truly just way better than we know.

1085
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: You know, time and time again, talking to all of

1086
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: you who have these thoughts about the show just continue

1087
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: to be highlights of doing this podcast.

1088
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,479
Speaker 3: Love it well, Thank you so much for joining us

1089
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: and taking the time.

1090
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: She does a show every single morning. The toast, the toasties,

1091
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: and the toasters are so committed And if you're interested,

1092
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: thanks for listening to our show and coming over. And

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