1
00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,640
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

2
00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:09,400
Speaker 1: the whitetail woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

3
00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,399
Speaker 1: hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light

4
00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:19,200
Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

5
00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,720
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. This week on

6
00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,000
Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by Owen Riegler of Midwest Whitetail

7
00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,920
Speaker 2: to discuss the little details that help him consistently kill

8
00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:43,960
Speaker 2: big bucks, including his biggest ever just this month. All right,

9
00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,800
Speaker 2: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

10
00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,280
Speaker 2: by First Light and our Camel for Conservation program, in

11
00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,680
Speaker 2: which a sale of every piece of First Light camouflage

12
00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,960
Speaker 2: in the Specter Camel pattern, a portion of those proceeds

13
00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,240
Speaker 2: goes back to the National Deer Association to help them

14
00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,160
Speaker 2: on their mission to make things better for deer and

15
00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,399
Speaker 2: deer hunters all across the country. Actually just spent the

16
00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,720
Speaker 2: weekend with some folks from the National Deer Association down

17
00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,440
Speaker 2: in Kentucky. It was the final event of our Working

18
00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,640
Speaker 2: for Wildlife tour. We had a whole bunch of hunters

19
00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,640
Speaker 2: come out and volunteer on public land on Saturday collecting

20
00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,039
Speaker 2: white oak acorns. And we were actually collecting these white

21
00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,039
Speaker 2: oak acorns so that they can be used to be

22
00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,600
Speaker 2: planted at a nursery, get these oak seedlings out of

23
00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,520
Speaker 2: the ground and then replanted to help with a reforestation

24
00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,000
Speaker 2: effort on the Daniel Boone National Forest. Incredible stuff. We

25
00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,360
Speaker 2: picked up more than seven hundred pounds of acorns, which

26
00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,240
Speaker 2: I believe they said will equate to something like fifteen

27
00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,720
Speaker 2: thousand new oak trees. They're gonna be planted out there

28
00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,800
Speaker 2: on public land. How cool is that? So that's it today,

29
00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,120
Speaker 2: speaking of cool things, we are talking deer hunting, and

30
00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,720
Speaker 2: I'm joined by Owenriegler of Midwest Whitetail. Hopefully you've seen

31
00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,120
Speaker 2: some of Owen's stuff over the years. He's been a

32
00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,480
Speaker 2: major contributor over there to Chasing November and their daily

33
00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,640
Speaker 2: blogs and all the different things that Midwest White Tail's

34
00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,680
Speaker 2: got going on. He has been consistently killing, you know,

35
00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,119
Speaker 2: really impressive deer over the years there in his home

36
00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,720
Speaker 2: state of Iowa. Interestingly, he's also from Michigan, so we've

37
00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,840
Speaker 2: got a shared backstory there. And today in the show,

38
00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,960
Speaker 2: I want to have Owen on to talk about something

39
00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,840
Speaker 2: I've noticed in a lot of videos and a lot

40
00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,000
Speaker 2: of the things that come up into conversations with him

41
00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,040
Speaker 2: on those videos in which he's talking about these little

42
00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,720
Speaker 2: things that he focuses on, these little details, these minute

43
00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,120
Speaker 2: parts of his strategy that actually matter a lot.

44
00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:45,799
Speaker 3: You know.

45
00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,400
Speaker 2: There's all these things that have gone into Owen's kind

46
00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,520
Speaker 2: of process to hunting big deer over the years that

47
00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,840
Speaker 2: maybe now he doesn't even think about that much, but

48
00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,880
Speaker 2: I think for the rest of us they're very interesting.

49
00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:02,120
Speaker 2: It's those small things in many cases that will allow

50
00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,600
Speaker 2: you to close the distance, to close the gap when

51
00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,160
Speaker 2: trying to kill an old deer, a big old deer.

52
00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,359
Speaker 2: Now there's a happy medium, right. I think last week's

53
00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,160
Speaker 2: episode with Brad was a great reminder that sometimes we

54
00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,560
Speaker 2: over complicate things, and today with Owen, it's going to

55
00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,760
Speaker 2: be a great reminder that sometimes we do need to

56
00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,400
Speaker 2: be paying attention to the little things though too. So

57
00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,280
Speaker 2: there's something we can take from both of these guys.

58
00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,320
Speaker 2: And today Owen's going to help us kind of understand

59
00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,040
Speaker 2: his strategy and his approach, and we're going to use

60
00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,760
Speaker 2: the story of a deer he just recently killed. And

61
00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,000
Speaker 2: this story, I think will be a great framework and

62
00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,120
Speaker 2: a great illustration of how he does things, and it

63
00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:41,840
Speaker 2: just so happens to be the biggest year of his

64
00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,080
Speaker 2: entire life, which is saying something, this is a giant deer.

65
00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,840
Speaker 2: It's a great story. It's pretty darn cool to get

66
00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,440
Speaker 2: to have this kind of example to work with and

67
00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,320
Speaker 2: have a video to be able to look back and

68
00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,720
Speaker 2: actually watch it too. So as we have this discussion,

69
00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,240
Speaker 2: remember that you can go over to the U Tube

70
00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,720
Speaker 2: channel and then watch the hunt that we're discussing to

71
00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,920
Speaker 2: kind of see both sides of the equation. Now, in

72
00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,440
Speaker 2: addition to Owen being on the show, we've also got

73
00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,320
Speaker 2: Josh Sparks who also is over there at Midwest Whitetail,

74
00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,880
Speaker 2: and he has been kind of a I don't want

75
00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,840
Speaker 2: to call him a fly on the wall, but he's

76
00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,960
Speaker 2: been like a participant and an observer of Owen over

77
00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,200
Speaker 2: the years as he's hunted in specifically, as he's been

78
00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,640
Speaker 2: chasing this specific buck. Josh has got to be out

79
00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,040
Speaker 2: there doing some of this work with him, observing some

80
00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,360
Speaker 2: of it, been in conversations with him, and we thought

81
00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,839
Speaker 2: it'd be fun to have Josh join the podcast too,

82
00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,760
Speaker 2: because he's got this very interesting perspective of watching Owen

83
00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,039
Speaker 2: do all this stuff. So Josh knows some things that

84
00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,080
Speaker 2: I just don't know that he can ask about. So

85
00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,680
Speaker 2: Josh helps us out here today with throwing in some

86
00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,120
Speaker 2: new questions, some color commentary on the hunt, and really

87
00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,560
Speaker 2: helps us round out this conversation. So Owen and Josh

88
00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,880
Speaker 2: are joining me here today. It's a lot of fun.

89
00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,680
Speaker 2: We're going to learn from one of the best big

90
00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,040
Speaker 2: deer hunters out there, and I couldn't be more excited

91
00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,560
Speaker 2: for it. So with that said, let's get to my

92
00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:11,279
Speaker 2: chat with Owen Regler and Josh Sparks. All right here

93
00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,720
Speaker 2: with me now I've got Owen Wrigler and Josh Sparks.

94
00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,200
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, guys.

95
00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:18,200
Speaker 3: Thank you sir.

96
00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,320
Speaker 4: It's good to be here. Can't be talking about big

97
00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,840
Speaker 4: deer with the big Man, as we like to prefer

98
00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:24,640
Speaker 4: to him around here.

99
00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,600
Speaker 2: So well, you couldn't get any couldn't get any better

100
00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,880
Speaker 2: circumstances either, because oh and you're you're coming off quite

101
00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,119
Speaker 2: the successful hunt.

102
00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:33,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

103
00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,200
Speaker 2: You know, when people see this it will be a

104
00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,000
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, but I know here it's it's relatively

105
00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,520
Speaker 2: fresh on your mind. So congratulations on that buck owing.

106
00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,679
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, you know, it's like winning the genetic lottery,

107
00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,159
Speaker 3: I think, is what that comes down to. Having done

108
00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,840
Speaker 3: this all these years, it's just so rare to get

109
00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,000
Speaker 3: a deer to that size. You know.

110
00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, like we were saying before we start recording,

111
00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,320
Speaker 2: both of us having been from Michigan, you know, you

112
00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,720
Speaker 2: can just see not only the genetic differences, but then

113
00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,680
Speaker 2: the nutritional differences and the hunting pressure difference. There's big,

114
00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,240
Speaker 2: big differences between you know, what might be possible in

115
00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,159
Speaker 2: a place like where you and I grew up versus

116
00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,880
Speaker 2: what you have there in Iowa now and to your point,

117
00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,080
Speaker 2: like you're enjoying the benefits of that. But all that

118
00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,200
Speaker 2: brings me to one of the first things I want

119
00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,320
Speaker 2: to talk to you about, which is Michigan, where we

120
00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,440
Speaker 2: both grew up, where I still am. I'm curious what

121
00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,000
Speaker 2: those early years are like when you were learning to

122
00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,960
Speaker 2: deer hunt in Michigan, because I went through that thing,

123
00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,160
Speaker 2: and I first hunted on the upper so it'd be

124
00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,320
Speaker 2: the northwest part of the state Lower Peninsula, but northwest

125
00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,640
Speaker 2: part of the Lower Peninsula was where I kind of

126
00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,520
Speaker 2: cut my teeth, and we hardly saw any deer. If

127
00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,440
Speaker 2: we saw a deer, it was you know, a little

128
00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:52,880
Speaker 2: year and a half buck, Like a year and a

129
00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,440
Speaker 2: half old buck was an absolute trophy for anyone in

130
00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:56,920
Speaker 2: my family. And if you got a two year old

131
00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,920
Speaker 2: eight pointer, that was you know, talk of the t

132
00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,120
Speaker 2: So that's what I had for the first like eighteen

133
00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,560
Speaker 2: years of my life. What was What was that like

134
00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,280
Speaker 2: for you? And how did that either help you become

135
00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,880
Speaker 2: the deer hunter you are or hurts you or slow

136
00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,320
Speaker 2: you down in your hunting process as you were trying

137
00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,920
Speaker 2: to learn to hunt in that kind of place.

138
00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was very similar to what you

139
00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,000
Speaker 3: described it. It was the same kind of thing. You know,

140
00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,320
Speaker 3: it was so difficult. You would see tracks, you would

141
00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,640
Speaker 3: see rubs, you'd see scrapes, but you'd never see the deer.

142
00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,400
Speaker 3: And so it became just more and more intriguing all

143
00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,840
Speaker 3: the time. That's, you know, so bad. When somebody would

144
00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,480
Speaker 3: shoot a deer, I'd have to go see it. I'd

145
00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,040
Speaker 3: be like, hey, we got to go see this buck

146
00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,040
Speaker 3: because I was so intrigued that you know, they actually

147
00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,200
Speaker 3: do exist. You see the sign, but you never see

148
00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,480
Speaker 3: the deer. And I would look at them. I would

149
00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,560
Speaker 3: look at their hoofs, just every little thing that just

150
00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,559
Speaker 3: I really think that's what made me love deer hunting

151
00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,920
Speaker 3: because it was so difficult there. You know, you could

152
00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,880
Speaker 3: see videos and stuff other guys shooting nice bucks, and

153
00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,280
Speaker 3: it was so difficult to do it. Just I feel

154
00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,520
Speaker 3: like it really just drew me in. If it was

155
00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,240
Speaker 3: easy from the start, or you've seen a lot of

156
00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,160
Speaker 3: nice deer, I don't know if I would love it

157
00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:01,920
Speaker 3: like I do now.

158
00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,080
Speaker 2: It's funny you say that, because Josh, before we were recording,

159
00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,200
Speaker 2: you were asking us about this, like and how you

160
00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,640
Speaker 2: grew up in Iowa surrounded by, you know, the shang

161
00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,080
Speaker 2: RelA of deer hunting, and I've got a lot of

162
00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,080
Speaker 2: friends who are in the same situation, and I've always

163
00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,360
Speaker 2: thought the opposite of what you were thinking, which is

164
00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,600
Speaker 2: I'm surprised people in Iowa like as much they do,

165
00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,680
Speaker 2: because it's like you started on third base. But me

166
00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,080
Speaker 2: and Owen we started, you know, at home, far far

167
00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,400
Speaker 2: far away from ever hitting that grand Slam, and so

168
00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,439
Speaker 2: we had to fall in love with deer hunting despite

169
00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,280
Speaker 2: the fact we never saw bucks, despite the fact that

170
00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,839
Speaker 2: we never saw a big deer, and knew the opportunities

171
00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,640
Speaker 2: that could be possible. And I think you know, whatever

172
00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,000
Speaker 2: downsides that came with it certainly did build in, like

173
00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,880
Speaker 2: an appreciation for those older deer as being like so

174
00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,840
Speaker 2: rare and special. I remember growing up, we had this

175
00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,360
Speaker 2: hunting camp up in no Other Michigan, our family deer

176
00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,680
Speaker 2: camp and old log cabin. And there's this door, this

177
00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,920
Speaker 2: wooden door that my grandpa posted pictures on for years,

178
00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,200
Speaker 2: for decades, and there was all these pictures of like

179
00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,800
Speaker 2: the old hunts, you know, uh, a seven pointer over

180
00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,760
Speaker 2: top of an old buick hood of like the sedan,

181
00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,600
Speaker 2: like that kind of stuff, a buck poll, like all

182
00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,920
Speaker 2: these great pictures. But there was one picture on there,

183
00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,360
Speaker 2: and it was like a news clip, like a newspaper

184
00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,439
Speaker 2: clipping of a ten point buck, you know, looking back

185
00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:28,920
Speaker 2: on it now in my memory, there was probably like

186
00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,280
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five inch type ten pointer. And

187
00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,160
Speaker 2: I remember, for most of my childhood into well into

188
00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,960
Speaker 2: my teenage years, I thought that was fake. I thought

189
00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,680
Speaker 2: that was not a real deer. I thought that that

190
00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,240
Speaker 2: was impossible for deer to get that big, and that

191
00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,840
Speaker 2: this must have been like something that my grandpa had

192
00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,480
Speaker 2: like had like I thought it was maybe like a

193
00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,080
Speaker 2: painting or something. It was actually a photograph but I

194
00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,040
Speaker 2: just couldn't believe deer actually got that big. And then,

195
00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,320
Speaker 2: you know, eventually I started seeing magazines or TV shows

196
00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,600
Speaker 2: or whatever when I was, you know, my younger years,

197
00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,440
Speaker 2: and eventually you realize, like, oh wow, it's not like

198
00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,400
Speaker 2: where I am now everywhere else. But in addition to

199
00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:12,040
Speaker 2: that appreciation, I think that having to learn to deer

200
00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,240
Speaker 2: hunt in a place like that forced me to pay

201
00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,320
Speaker 2: attention to a lot of little things. It forced me

202
00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,880
Speaker 2: to get really good at certain things, because you know,

203
00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,720
Speaker 2: when I started trying to kill a three year old buck,

204
00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,760
Speaker 2: that was like incredibly hard because there might be one

205
00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,920
Speaker 2: three year old buck in a square mile and that

206
00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,240
Speaker 2: was the best deer around, And so I had to

207
00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,840
Speaker 2: do things to kill a deer like that. That made

208
00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,319
Speaker 2: me have to really focus on the little things and

209
00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,160
Speaker 2: the details. And in watching a lot of your stuff

210
00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,760
Speaker 2: Owen listening to you talk over the years on Midwest

211
00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,960
Speaker 2: White Tail, I've heard a lot of the same things.

212
00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,160
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of those same ideas come from you,

213
00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,040
Speaker 2: And I'm just curious if that came from just who

214
00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,760
Speaker 2: you are, or if that stemmed from your learning to

215
00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,800
Speaker 2: hunt in Michigan where that was necessary to ever see

216
00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,199
Speaker 2: a half decent deer, Like, what what do you think

217
00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:00,680
Speaker 2: about that?

218
00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,280
Speaker 3: You know, I'd say probably a combination of both of

219
00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,600
Speaker 3: those things. I think the grit and determination probably came

220
00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,280
Speaker 3: from Michigan, where like you alluded to. I mean, you

221
00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,160
Speaker 3: really had to go the extra mile to get a

222
00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,959
Speaker 3: decent buck there, you know, so I think to really

223
00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,160
Speaker 3: hunt hard and all that kind of thing I think

224
00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,079
Speaker 3: did come from Michigan. You know, what, are you a

225
00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:22,720
Speaker 3: friend of thought?

226
00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,000
Speaker 2: Oh, that's all right. I was going to also ask

227
00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,680
Speaker 2: you what you think if it wasn't that, what do

228
00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,439
Speaker 2: you think the greatest thing you took away from your

229
00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,360
Speaker 2: Michigan hunting experience was, like the greatest lesson you learned

230
00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,160
Speaker 2: from those years that has in some way made you

231
00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,320
Speaker 2: the deer hunter you right now.

232
00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,520
Speaker 3: I think it really is just that grit and determination

233
00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,000
Speaker 3: and just not giving up and just being out there.

234
00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,240
Speaker 3: You know. I always say there's no substitute for tree time,

235
00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,040
Speaker 3: and I really believe that. I Mean, you can do

236
00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,360
Speaker 3: all the things you want, and you know, be a

237
00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,560
Speaker 3: great hunter and all the do all the things right,

238
00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,000
Speaker 3: but you just got to be out there. You know,

239
00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,400
Speaker 3: so many times I've proven that to myself off that

240
00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,320
Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't going right. You're hunting one big

241
00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,680
Speaker 3: deer and you're just struggling. You can't see, and you

242
00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,000
Speaker 3: just keep going and you keep going, you keep grinding,

243
00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,559
Speaker 3: and then boom, two minutes of time just changed everything,

244
00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,120
Speaker 3: you know. And so I think that's a that's a

245
00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,000
Speaker 3: lesson to be learned, right there, is you just got

246
00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:17,239
Speaker 3: to stay determined.

247
00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you spent when was it that you moved

248
00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:23,920
Speaker 2: from Michigan to Iowa.

249
00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,480
Speaker 3: Two thousand and two, I was twenty seven, about Josh's.

250
00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:35,040
Speaker 2: Age, okay six? Yeah, so you leave Michigan, you go

251
00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:40,680
Speaker 2: to Iowa. It's the Promised Land. Did you right away

252
00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,120
Speaker 2: did you feel like you could take what you had

253
00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,280
Speaker 2: learned in Michigan and apply it to what was happening

254
00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,000
Speaker 2: in Iowa and right it would get on deer or

255
00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,840
Speaker 2: did you have to change some of your process or

256
00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,559
Speaker 2: your your strategy in this new area.

257
00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,400
Speaker 3: Now I felt like what I'd learned in Michigan. I mean,

258
00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,560
Speaker 3: that's just about as tough as it gets. At the time,

259
00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,360
Speaker 3: there was I think we had about eight one hundred

260
00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,160
Speaker 3: thousand gun hunters, and if you took that philosophy into Iowa,

261
00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,920
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you could kill deer. I think I'd

262
00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,280
Speaker 3: hunted two days in Iowa when I shot at like

263
00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:10,360
Speaker 3: a one sixty seven.

264
00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,160
Speaker 4: So I'm like, yeah, you know, And so wasn't your

265
00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,319
Speaker 4: first trip. It wasn't Iowa, if I remember, it was Missouri.

266
00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:18,839
Speaker 4: It was it was with your dad.

267
00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, well the trip of my dad was in Iowa.

268
00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,479
Speaker 3: But I went to Missouri by myself.

269
00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,200
Speaker 4: Okay, because that was like the I think that when

270
00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,040
Speaker 4: we talk about what inspired you to really just jump

271
00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,680
Speaker 4: and go for it, it was actually hunting, not here.

272
00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,720
Speaker 4: It was you know, your first out of state trip.

273
00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,439
Speaker 4: You got to see more big deer and you're driving

274
00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,160
Speaker 4: around scouting, I think is what you talked about, right

275
00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,840
Speaker 4: than you really had ever seen in Michigan. I think.

276
00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,720
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just the thing that I've always

277
00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,880
Speaker 4: admired about your journey was like you just went for it,

278
00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,080
Speaker 4: you know. And so obviously today with the episodes Keyboard

279
00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,280
Speaker 4: Warriors or YouTube, always liked to if I had owned

280
00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,720
Speaker 4: situation or if I and I just I always feel

281
00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,679
Speaker 4: the need to go into the defense mode of like,

282
00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,880
Speaker 4: well you don't because you never took the risks that

283
00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,520
Speaker 4: he did. And I think a lot of inspiration and

284
00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,600
Speaker 4: you know, you made the comment about, you know, Michigan

285
00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,880
Speaker 4: hunting versus Iowa hunting, like when we're growing up. And

286
00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,520
Speaker 4: I think that's the beautiful thing about boat hunting in specificity,

287
00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:28,480
Speaker 4: is that everybody starts somewhere different. For me, I got

288
00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,480
Speaker 4: to see a lot of big deer, but man, did

289
00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,240
Speaker 4: I screw it up over and over and over. And

290
00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,240
Speaker 4: I feel like I would have had some success. Granted

291
00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,160
Speaker 4: I got to see bigger deer, and that was a privilege,

292
00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:41,840
Speaker 4: no doubt. I didn't know there wasn't a big deer

293
00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,400
Speaker 4: anywhere else, you know what I mean. I just thought

294
00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,720
Speaker 4: your deer hunt and whatever. But it's the failures, for

295
00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,760
Speaker 4: lack of a better term. You can always grow in

296
00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,160
Speaker 4: some way, you know. And I think now we're atting

297
00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,960
Speaker 4: this story of making the jump from Michigan to Missouri

298
00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:02,320
Speaker 4: or Iowa. It was just the next chapter, you know,

299
00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:07,880
Speaker 4: the next challenge, and most people don't don't make the jump.

300
00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,680
Speaker 4: And I think that that's what, you know, I think

301
00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:11,640
Speaker 4: that's where it all starts.

302
00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,800
Speaker 2: Ollen Was that an easy decision for you or was

303
00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,360
Speaker 2: that something that we were really torn on.

304
00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,200
Speaker 3: I was torn on it because all my family's in Michigan,

305
00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,200
Speaker 3: you know, and so I'd never been away from my family.

306
00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,800
Speaker 3: It was real close to my parents. So it was

307
00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,880
Speaker 3: tough when it really came down to it, But it

308
00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,040
Speaker 3: was something that I just wanted so bad, you know.

309
00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,120
Speaker 3: I just love to hunt. My dad loved to hunt

310
00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,680
Speaker 3: so much. It's like, you know, part of me probably

311
00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,440
Speaker 3: wanted to make my dad proud. I wanted to come

312
00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,040
Speaker 3: out and build. Actually what I've done here, you know,

313
00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,440
Speaker 3: it was inspirational, I think, just from the standpoint of

314
00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,840
Speaker 3: making my dad proud, you know, And a lot of

315
00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,160
Speaker 3: people probably don't see the sacrifices that go into it.

316
00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,000
Speaker 3: I've spent a lot of time away from my kids,

317
00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,640
Speaker 3: a lot of time away from my parents, you know,

318
00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,000
Speaker 3: and you know, people don't see that kind of stuff.

319
00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,880
Speaker 3: When they watch this, They're like, I must be nice

320
00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,280
Speaker 3: kind of mentality. And when you come from humble beginnings

321
00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,000
Speaker 3: like I did, you know, basically none I got free

322
00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,040
Speaker 3: lunches in school, we didn't have anything, you know, very

323
00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,000
Speaker 3: loving parents. I couldn't ask for better ones. But to

324
00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,480
Speaker 3: go from nothing to you know, what I've built here,

325
00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,720
Speaker 3: you really, it would be nice if everybody knew the

326
00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,040
Speaker 3: story of what that took you know, you had to

327
00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,840
Speaker 3: be a workaholic the whole time, and of course you

328
00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,560
Speaker 3: didn't get to hunt as much as you wanted. But

329
00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,400
Speaker 3: I just kept building my life around the hunting lifestyle,

330
00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,400
Speaker 3: the whitetail lifestyle I like to call it, and just

331
00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,640
Speaker 3: I kept making decisions of you know, switching jobs or

332
00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,120
Speaker 3: starting my own company, all this kind of stuff to

333
00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,200
Speaker 3: just keep building more and more to where you could

334
00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,560
Speaker 3: hunt more and work less. And so finally where I've

335
00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:37,280
Speaker 3: got to today.

336
00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you mentioned some of those intangibles, some

337
00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,040
Speaker 2: of that stuff around just being a hard worker or

338
00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,200
Speaker 2: being willing to make sacrifices. From where you are now

339
00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,720
Speaker 2: looking back on your twenty whatever almost twenty years or

340
00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,360
Speaker 2: whatever has been since you made that move, and as

341
00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,120
Speaker 2: you've grown as a hunter, what do you think some

342
00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,240
Speaker 2: of those most intangibles have in that have led to

343
00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,160
Speaker 2: you being successful? Because to your point, this wasn't handed

344
00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,280
Speaker 2: to you on a silver platter. It took not just

345
00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,240
Speaker 2: hard work, but a whole bunch of other things, I'm sure,

346
00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,840
Speaker 2: and a lot of folks, you know, we all have

347
00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,800
Speaker 2: different situations, We're all hunting different places, we all have

348
00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:22,480
Speaker 2: different levels of access or resources or time but there

349
00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,040
Speaker 2: is something to be said about like personal characteristics and

350
00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,840
Speaker 2: tangibles that every one of us can put into action.

351
00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,920
Speaker 2: We could all work harder, we could all be more perseverant,

352
00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,480
Speaker 2: we could all whatever it might be. What do you

353
00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,879
Speaker 2: think some of those very most important character parts and

354
00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,000
Speaker 2: pieces have been for you to be successful, because that's

355
00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,200
Speaker 2: something that translates everywhere. Anyone can do that kind of thing, right.

356
00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I was given the tools,

357
00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,840
Speaker 3: and maybe God given tools or maybe I learned a

358
00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,480
Speaker 3: lot of them just to be a hard work and

359
00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,080
Speaker 3: my work ethic was probably off to charge for you know,

360
00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,840
Speaker 3: twenty five thirty years, which you know, I don't know

361
00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,760
Speaker 3: exactly where that comes from. Maybe it was just my

362
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,240
Speaker 3: personality or maybe you know, my dad teaching me to

363
00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:07,800
Speaker 3: work when I was just a kid. If you know,

364
00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,320
Speaker 3: go out there, if you want to do this, you

365
00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,119
Speaker 3: can have the money, and being that we were poor,

366
00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,879
Speaker 3: I think that it put more emphasis on wanting to

367
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,600
Speaker 3: do that. Like I want to buy a bow, right,

368
00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,800
Speaker 3: we don't have money to buy a bow. So if

369
00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,159
Speaker 3: you want a bow and you're going to go out

370
00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,600
Speaker 3: there and take tires off from rims for you know,

371
00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,760
Speaker 3: ten twelve hours to take these rims in and scrap

372
00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,880
Speaker 3: steel and stuff like that. I think you just learn

373
00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,399
Speaker 3: along the way and eventually it just leads to you

374
00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,960
Speaker 3: know where I'm at today. I guess I would say

375
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,800
Speaker 3: just work ethic. I don't know if it was learned

376
00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,720
Speaker 3: or God given, but either way, I'm thankful for it. Yeah.

377
00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:46,520
Speaker 2: So that work ethic led you just recently to killing

378
00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,919
Speaker 2: the biggest deer ever. Has that been confirmed? Is that is?

379
00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:50,320
Speaker 4: It?

380
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,679
Speaker 2: Is he as big as he thought he was?

381
00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,600
Speaker 3: He is every bit is big, if not better. Yeah. Absolutely.

382
00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,679
Speaker 2: So what I kind of thought we could do is

383
00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,200
Speaker 2: that story, which is kind of like the culmination of

384
00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,399
Speaker 2: all of your years of hunting and personal growth. This

385
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,359
Speaker 2: led you to this moment. It seems like I want

386
00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,840
Speaker 2: to use this specific story to hopefully uncover all of

387
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,920
Speaker 2: the parts of your process that led to this success,

388
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 2: not just the success, but the many, many, many other

389
00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,960
Speaker 2: year that you've killed over the years. So where I

390
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,399
Speaker 2: kind of want to start is towards the end of

391
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,240
Speaker 2: the story, and you can jump back into history to

392
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,440
Speaker 2: tell me about whatever you think is most important from

393
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,440
Speaker 2: the past. But if I could have us pick up

394
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 2: the story of this buck you call Lockness in the spring,

395
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,680
Speaker 2: after you picked up both of his sheds, you found one,

396
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,879
Speaker 2: and then I don't know how much longer it was.

397
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 2: Later in the spring you had some buddies come out

398
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,080
Speaker 2: and they continue to search with you, and now you've

399
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 2: got the match set, both antlers from this buck Lockness

400
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 2: that you think has the potential to be the buck

401
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,119
Speaker 2: of a lifetime, and you decide, all right, this is

402
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,920
Speaker 2: the deer I'm going to try to kill this year.

403
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 2: What do the following weeks and months look like for you? Ohwen,

404
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 2: when you have one specific buck that is of this

405
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 2: nature that your year is going to revolve around. You've

406
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 2: got habitat work, You've got stand prep work. Maybe there's

407
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 2: scouting work, maybe there's just sitting up late at night

408
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,120
Speaker 2: looking at maps or photos or something. Can you walk

409
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 2: me through some of those most important things you did

410
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 2: in the few months after that as you start building

411
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 2: this whole mousetrap.

412
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 3: I guess yeah. I mean it was basically the same

413
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,679
Speaker 3: for Lockness as it had been for a lot of

414
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 3: other deer. You know, I had learned that if you

415
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,440
Speaker 3: would manipulate the landscape and the food and all that

416
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 3: and keep it the same a lot of times the

417
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 3: bucks would do the same thing, and so that was

418
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 3: my goal, you know, going into the year. I wanted

419
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 3: everything to be just the same and hoping he would

420
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 3: do the same thing, live in the same area. And

421
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 3: it did come to fruition. He did do that, he

422
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 3: obliged and it worked out.

423
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 4: So how many years have you owned this piece?

424
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 3: I've been here six, I think six or seven, Okay.

425
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 4: So not too much longer than how long I've known you,

426
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 4: because I think you know. Part of what you're trying

427
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 4: to say there is is like Lockness was just the buck,

428
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 4: the newest tenant, for lack of a better term, And

429
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 4: I remember when I met Owen back in twenty eighteen,

430
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 4: he wasn't improving his farm based on the buck that

431
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 4: was there, right, if that makes sense. Like I look

432
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 4: at you and it's like the process of when you

433
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 4: first got here. Maybe that's what where it really starts.

434
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 4: Lockness is just six years later the buck that happens

435
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 4: to live there. But one thing that's so different. And

436
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 4: maybe there's factors that you think that influences, but your

437
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 4: piece of property. If a buck is in a certain

438
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 4: zip code, the chances are he's going to do with

439
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,719
Speaker 4: the five and a half six and a half year

440
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 4: old that was there three years ago, is what that

441
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 4: one did. And I've never seen a lot of properties

442
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 4: like that. And it's almost like you've maximized your acreage, right,

443
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 4: you know, whether that's the food you know, whether that's

444
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 4: your food pot architecture from the standpoint of bow hunting them.

445
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 4: You know, maybe it's you bought this farm, you had

446
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 4: all these years of developing your strategies and fine tuning. Okay,

447
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 4: you got the piece of dirt when you first closed

448
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 4: on it. What was your steps then, right?

449
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the same on all these farms. So,

450
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 3: like Josh alluded to, it doesn't just happen when I

451
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 3: have a buck that I want to go after. So

452
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 3: this is every year, I'm doing all the same kind

453
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 3: of things. I'm out there trying to improve you know,

454
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 3: TSI and just really thinking about what does the farm need.

455
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 3: In any given farm, you know, what does it need?

456
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 3: What can I do work? And I put food working,

457
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: I put water and so all this is going into

458
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 3: every farm every year, and so you know, when a

459
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 3: certain buck comes along, it's just a continuation of what

460
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 3: you've always done. So you know, really not a lot

461
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 3: of new stuff. It's just what I've always done.

462
00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 2: Really, So what makes this zone such a great I know,

463
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: we'll call it a buck hotel?

464
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 4: Right?

465
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,479
Speaker 2: It seems like if you're sanely every year, you know,

466
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: if a big buck's around, this is where he wants

467
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: to be. And when the top dog is knocked off

468
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 2: the pedestal because you got him, the next buck fills

469
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: in that vacancy. What have you made here or what

470
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 2: have you set aside to make them safe? Or what

471
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 2: makes this hold a top tier deer like this consistently?

472
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 3: The secluded timber, I would say, is that is the

473
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: number one factor that this There is a secluded timber

474
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 3: that's kind of in the middle. I would say it's

475
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 3: a sanctuary for lack of better terms. It's not like

476
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 3: I never go into it, but if I do hunt

477
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: around it, it's usually with the wind blowing away from

478
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: that timber, and so they just feel secure in that.

479
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 3: It's a big thicket and you know they live in there,

480
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: and you know, I try to hunt them on the fringes.

481
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: I'd rarely ever hunt inside that timber. So I wait

482
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 3: for him to come out of that and just you know,

483
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 3: leave that to them, and a lot of times you'll

484
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 3: see it to be interesting. You know, a buck will

485
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 3: be in an area that you know, like the crabs

486
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 3: fly you guys may have heard of before that there's

487
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: always a big buck down there, and you know, once

488
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 3: he gets removed or maybe another dominant buck moves in,

489
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: they'll displace a little bit and they'll they'll find their place.

490
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 3: I see that a lot with these big dominant bucks

491
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 3: is you know, they'll find their ten acres if that's

492
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 3: what they call home, and that's you know, they kind

493
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 3: of own that area. So that's always interesting to see.

494
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 3: But but I would say, you know, the thicket in

495
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: the habitat work has been probably the number one factor.

496
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 4: Well, like, okay, I'm I just bought my first farm.

497
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 4: What's what's habitat work mean?

498
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 3: Though?

499
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 4: Like I know TSI timber stand improvement. But you know,

500
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 4: maybe somebody listening or even me, like, well, what's the

501
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 4: next layer of tears about a farm? I achieved the

502
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 4: dream helped me make the most of it.

503
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 3: Right, And I think every farm is a little bit different.

504
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 3: It's just a matter of seeing what you have, what

505
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 3: it needs. You know, is it wide open timber with

506
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 3: no undergrowth. I mean, so is that what you need?

507
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 3: You know, do you need undergrowth? I mean it's looking

508
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 3: at all the variables and deciding what it needs, you know.

509
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 4: So one thing I think is interesting here as you do,

510
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 4: maybe I feel like I always grow up thinking deer season,

511
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 4: food plots, green plots, ag your brain is three sixty five.

512
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: I want that buck to live right there. Yeah, so

513
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 4: you know, and.

514
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 3: You learn a lot of things along the way. I

515
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 3: think one of the differences market coming from Michigan is

516
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 3: you don't have to have all timber. I know, when

517
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 3: I moved out here, I wanted to hunt all the

518
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: timbered stuff. Well, out here, a lot of the deer

519
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 3: are in more open areas. If you've got you know,

520
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 3: some cover, brushy cover that's more open. A lot of

521
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: times that's where your big bucks will bed. And so

522
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: that's always interesting to take note. You don't need to

523
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 3: always make it the thickest on rabbit hole. Rabbit can't

524
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 3: crawl through a kind of thing. It's interesting to see

525
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 3: how they're a little bit different out here. And I

526
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 3: suppose as you go farther west, it's even more so

527
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 3: that way.

528
00:25:49,040 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned, you know, these big old bucks will

529
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: have their little ten acre pocket or something that they claim.

530
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: Something we've been talking to a lot of folks about

531
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: recently is just how buck behavior changes as they get

532
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: older and when you get that five, six, seven or

533
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: eight year old deer whatever. A lot of folks talk

534
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: about how they see a deer's core area shrink, tighten

535
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 2: up the older they get. Is that something you've seen too,

536
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 2: with those old old deer that you've got to observe

537
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: and hunt.

538
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, it's been so much fun to watch more

539
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 3: over the years. But you see them, you know, maybe

540
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 3: as a three year old, and they're all over the

541
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: whole farm, and they're sporadic. You know, that's why a

542
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 3: lot of them get killed because they move so much.

543
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: And as they get older in that dominance hierarchy, they

544
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 3: start gaining ground there. They start going into these pockets

545
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: where they want to be. You know, now they're no

546
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: longer pushed out by another a crabs or a wide

547
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: nine or whatever, so they start to claim these prime

548
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: areas and those are usually the areas that have the

549
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: betting they want to be in. It's got the food,

550
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: the water's got everything they want, and especially to those

551
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: in every year they just start condensing down smaller and smaller.

552
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: And it was no different with this lockness buck. I mean,

553
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 3: looking back now, I think he was living in an

554
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 3: area that was less than ten acres well just a time,

555
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: you know, that's why I couldn't catch him on a

556
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: lot of cameras, didn't know where he was because he

557
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: was living in such a small pocket.

558
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: Do you find with a deer like that where the

559
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 2: core gets so tight you know, there's a certain predictability

560
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: to it that should help you as a hunter. But

561
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: on the flip side, it seems like there's this high

562
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: risk of you know, if you mess up in that bedroom,

563
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: you know you're right on top of him. It's not

564
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: like he's all over the place. There's like one spot

565
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 2: and if you're going to make a mistake, it's going

566
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 2: to be right in his bedroom, which is, you know,

567
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: seemingly usually a high risk spot. How is that? How

568
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: did that impact the way you thought about hunting this

569
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: deer or any other old buck that's done something similar?

570
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: Do you worry about that or do you not? Because

571
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: they're so dead set on wanting to be in their

572
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: little pocket, that's hard to push him out of there.

573
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I still worry about it. I mean,

574
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 3: that's why I usually hunt the fringes, Like, if I

575
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 3: have an idea where he's betting, where he's living, I

576
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: want to hunt the outside fringes of that and not

577
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 3: just go busting right into where he's living, because I'm

578
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: sure you could change that up or at the very

579
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: least make him completely nocturnal. So you know, that's what

580
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 3: I'm trying to avoid.

581
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 4: Well, I think it goes back to where you kind

582
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: of steer this conversation mark of you found those antlers first.

583
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 4: I think for the folks that might have no idea

584
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 4: about lockedness, you know it really wasn't you were like, Oh,

585
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 4: I'm hunting the buck of a lifetime. I'll never forget

586
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 4: we found those antlers. I'm like, oh, and you got

587
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 4: to talk about it just in case he's alive, because

588
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 4: he was not in the best of spirits.

589
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had that big hematoma. I don't know if

590
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: you're familiar with that, but he had a great, big

591
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: hemotoone on his right side, and after he shed, he's

592
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: shed pretty early. I'm looking at all my trail photos

593
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 3: and looking for a buck with a hematoma, you know,

594
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: a shed buck and I can never find one, and

595
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: so I'm just thinking, well, he died, I mean, he

596
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: didn't make it through. And of course so disappointed if

597
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: that's the case, you know, because you spend all this

598
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: time and resources trying to make sure this is the

599
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: one buck that you wanted to hunt your you know,

600
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: your whole life. You look like you had the genetics

601
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,239
Speaker 3: for it, and so yeah, I was pretty disappointed. They

602
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: get under your skin, you know, almost like kids or something.

603
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just you know, you're super attached to him. Really,

604
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 3: it's kind of wild.

605
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, So another thing I'm thinking about with these

606
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: you know, tight home ranges or when you have like

607
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: a we'll call it a buck hotel that always holds

608
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: a good deer in there.

609
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: You know.

610
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: One of the things that I've started thinking I've had

611
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: the luxury of starting to think about, is I've got

612
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: a few places that I've hunted year after year after

613
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: year now where I'm getting to the point now where

614
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: bucks can reach maturity. We were talking about this before

615
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: we start recording, Like I've got a spot now where

616
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: like I can get a five year old buck in Michigan.

617
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: But it's not always you know, a big antler deer.

618
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: I get a lot of you know, solid mature bucks now,

619
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: but only ever once in a while do I get

620
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: a deer that comes around that might break that one

621
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: hundred and forty inch mark here. That's pretty rare. It's

622
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: like once every five to ten years, I'll get a

623
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: deer maybe that could get over one forty. So something

624
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: I've started thinking out more now. I know a lot

625
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: of people talk about this kind of stuff in places

626
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: where this is commonplace, but for me, it's relatively rare.

627
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: I've started thinking, like, man, do I need to start

628
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: shooting some of these deer that are four that are

629
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: you know, just a big, solid bully eight pointer because

630
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: he's claiming the best buck hotel. And now I've got

631
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: this really nice up and coming three year old who

632
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: never could claim that because this gnarly old four or

633
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: five year old deer has been here forever. And then

634
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: that freewheel in three year old that has the possibility

635
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: to be a one fifty one sixty some day he's

636
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: relegated to third or fourth place in the general area

637
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: and he gets killed by the neighbors because of that

638
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: something like that. Have you ever had to go to

639
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: this level like buck management where you are taking out

640
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: a deer out of the buck hotel because you want

641
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: that to open up for some good three or four

642
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: year old that you know might be in the area.

643
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: Man, did you hit the nail on the head with that?

644
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: You'll see me a lot of times it always talk about,

645
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't matter the antler sized buck if

646
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: he's an old aggressive buck. Always talk about managing the farm.

647
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 3: And you were so spot on with that. You know,

648
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 3: that's the probably the number one factor of why these

649
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: bigger bucks have been there is because I continue to

650
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: shoot these bully bucks, these apes or whatever they are,

651
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: you know, and that makes room for that buck that

652
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: like we talk about that dominance hierarchy, you know, if

653
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: that a big bully buck is in there, I mean

654
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: I had two years ago my girlfriend shot one of

655
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: the bucks. It was just super dominant in the very

656
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: area the lackness was in. So I think that was key.

657
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you got to continue to do that. I

658
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: think you're spot on.

659
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: Is there anything when you're trying to do that? The

660
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: first thing I think about when I'm imagining this scenario

661
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: is I want to try to hunt and kill this

662
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: bully buck at the same time, I don't want to

663
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: put so much pressure to educate the up and coming

664
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: buck that I want to kill next year or two

665
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: years from now. Do you hunt for these I don't

666
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: want to call them call bucks, but we'll call them

667
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: a management buck. Do you ever hunt a management buck

668
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: in a different kind of way because you're trying to

669
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: preserve the best spot for that young buck? Or does

670
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: that not matter because it's going to be a year

671
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: or two later anyways, and that's not going to translate.

672
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I pretty much hunt them the same

673
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: as all of them, because I am hunting the fringes.

674
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not really diving into their bedroom so

675
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: much anyway, So I'm on the fringe either way. So

676
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: I pretty much hunt them the same way. You know,

677
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: I might just hunt them a little more aggressive as

678
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: far as the time I put in trying to get them,

679
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: you know, Okay, details.

680
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: You know, he guys talked about that, having to pay

681
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 4: attention to the details. Coming from Michigan. You say, you

682
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 4: hunt them the same way, but it's like the way

683
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 4: you set up your farm. You're deer don't even know

684
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 4: you're there, right, I mean, like, and that might be

685
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 4: something we talk about because yeah, you hunt almost every

686
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 4: day you can. Yeah, but it's in a way that,

687
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 4: like people might think of the word pressure, just because

688
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 4: you're there, it doesn't mean that you're leaving an impact.

689
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: I guess, right, Yeah, how do you pull that off?

690
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, you know, going back to even like

691
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: the trails I make to these stands so you don't

692
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: have to make a big rockets getting in there. You're

693
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: minimizing your scent. You know, almost everything's got some type

694
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: of trail to it, either a mode path or we

695
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: go in and clear out the brush. You know. Now

696
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: I've been able to get to a point where I've

697
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: got equipment, so if I want to go in pull

698
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: out some small trees so we can slip through an

699
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: area quietly, I'll do that, you know. So, like Josh said,

700
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: it's just it's keeping the pressure down even though you're

701
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: in there hunting quite a bit. You know, you don't

702
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: hunt it on the wrong wind direction and all that

703
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: kind of stuff.

704
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: I've seen you in some videos when you're talking about

705
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: your habitat improvements. You've mentioned a few different times that

706
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: you look at access first, so before figuring out where

707
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: you want to put a food plot, you're looking at

708
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: access first, and then you pick a tree and then

709
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: you design the plot around the access in the tree.

710
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: Can you elaborate on that a little bit and how

711
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: you think about access to these farms when you're setting

712
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: up an ambush location, Like what are the really important

713
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: factors and what are some of the tricks that you

714
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 2: found for accessing and exiting these places that are still

715
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: good to hunt, but you know you can slip it

716
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: and out without this deer knowing it, right.

717
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right. I mean I think it's so critical

718
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: to be able to get in and get out of

719
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: there without them knowing you're hunting them, especially if you're

720
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 3: going to hunt, you know, day after day or multiple

721
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: days in a row. And so usually I'll start with waterways,

722
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 3: I mean, great places to access is you know down

723
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 3: creek drainages or washouts, that kind of thing. And anytime

724
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: you can walk those down and pop up out of

725
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 3: those right to a tree stand or blind or whatever

726
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 3: you're hunting, I think it's great, great strategy, And I've

727
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 3: got a lot of stuff like that. That's that's where

728
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: I start. So I've got majority of my stuff. You'll see,

729
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 3: even my tree stands are right off of drainage of

730
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: some type. You can climb down the tree and into

731
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 3: the drainage and walk it out.

732
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: Yep. When it comes to your paths that you're making,

733
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: you mentioned mowing it, doing some other work like that.

734
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: Do you go to the point of clearing leaves in season,

735
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: because I know some guys will actually in season try

736
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 2: to clear leaves so that it's silent when you're walking.

737
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: I've always worried about that, and like going in there

738
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: and raking a trail or blowing a trail would just

739
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: seem like too much human activity in season, but some

740
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 2: people do it.

741
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 4: Do you I have before?

742
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've done some pretty crazy stuff. I remember one time,

743
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: this was back probably fifteen years ago, we raked a trail,

744
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: you know, regular rakes, no leaf blow or anything over

745
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: a quarter of a mile because we bumped deer a

746
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: couple of times going in there, and I'm like, you know,

747
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: that attention to detail. We can't have that if we're

748
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 3: going to have a good hunt. And so we go

749
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: in and rake a trail all the way down to

750
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: Ravine up you know, up the hills, and it's a

751
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: lot of work. But when you're just a lunatic about it.

752
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: It just seems normal.

753
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 4: That's what you do when you do that. Are you

754
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 4: paying attention to the wind? Because I think about going in,

755
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 4: it's like you just walk in and start raking just

756
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 4: because you're scared some deer, and like, are you paying

757
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 4: attention to those same details of like you're you're raking

758
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 4: on the right wind?

759
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: Right?

760
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 4: I mean, like, yeah, exactly. That's the thing about you.

761
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 4: It doesn't just stop stop there, You're like, oh, you

762
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 4: going to rake to be quiet, But it's like there's

763
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 4: fifteen other factors that if you like poke and pry,

764
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 4: you're like, well, yeah, I mean, uh, of course I'll

765
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 4: do it this.

766
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: Way right exactly. Yeah, I don't. I don't necessarily think

767
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: of that stuff anymore because it's automatic. But yeah, when

768
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: you're going in there raking your path, you're doing it

769
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: on the right wind based on where you think the

770
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: deer bed.

771
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: Any other factor to when you would choose to do

772
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: something like that. Would you also like, is there a

773
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: certain time of the season you'd want to do that?

774
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: Is there a certain I'm assuming you'd want to do

775
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: it midday, but is that a thing like you would

776
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: do just before the run or are you doing that

777
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: mid October during the you know, quote unquote lull period,

778
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: or do you do it when would you do something

779
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: like that?

780
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think early to mid October? Yeah, yeah, early

781
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: to mid October for me, because you still got a

782
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 3: lot of that foliage up, so you're a little more hidden.

783
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: You know, you're you're not probably making as big a

784
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: disturbance as you think you are, you know, in those leaves.

785
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: Once you get them cleared out of there, I mean,

786
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 3: it stays pretty clear. I mean you don't have to

787
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: go back in there all the time and do that.

788
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: I mean, just about last few season, you can still

789
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 3: be pretty quiet.

790
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 4: Yeah. Would you do it in night time because there

791
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: aren't in that betting area any.

792
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a good point. I haven't, but you

793
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: certainly could. Yeah.

794
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

795
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: So what about the other things When it comes to

796
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: your actual stand setups or blind setups, You've got path

797
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: to every single one of them. Sometimes you will rake

798
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: leaves to make sure that that path is safe and quiet.

799
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: You've got if it's not a mode trail, it's an

800
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: access route through a waterway or a creek or something

801
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: like that. What are the other little things you're doing

802
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: to make sure that a stand site is as good

803
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: as possible, Like when you're sitting there on the day

804
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: you're prepping it, whether it's in February or August or

805
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 2: whatever it is that you're doing that. What are the

806
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: little things that you're trying to line up to make

807
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: it just right, whether it be picking the right tree

808
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: and having cover in it, or whether it be you know,

809
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: different things are adding to the location, Like I've seen

810
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: you add some things to hunt locations. What are the

811
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: most most important things in your mind?

812
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: I think all the above, as you alluded to, a

813
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: lot of times we're adding cover. You know, if it's

814
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 3: a tree, I think the location is the most important.

815
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 3: So I'll take a mediocre tree in a great location

816
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: versus the other way around. I think that's the most important.

817
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: So a lot of times I'll add cover to a

818
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: tree because that's where I want to be, you know.

819
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: And then the other just small details like trimming every

820
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 3: limb that could pose a problem, you know, like there's

821
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: that one limb, and I know guys that help me

822
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 3: and stuff probably drives them nuts. I'm like, can you

823
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: get that one limb right there that's thirty seven feet

824
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 3: up in the air, you know, stuff like that. But

825
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 3: sometimes it just makes the difference. I mean, how many

826
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 3: times have you heard guys say, like, I had him

827
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 3: at twenty yards and I just couldn't get a shot.

828
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: There was one limb in the way. Well, if you

829
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: had to trim that one limb, you'd be having your

830
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: hero photos right now, you know. So just those tiny

831
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: details I think are so important.

832
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 4: It goes back to the Michigan mentality. I mean, I

833
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 4: hate to keep interjecting, but one of the things about

834
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 4: all this is you do all of these things and

835
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 4: mark you're probably the same way and the deer aren't there,

836
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 4: and it's like it's almost just you're trained to pay

837
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 4: attention to every detail, improve every spot. Like I think

838
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 4: about the new eighty you had this year. You didn't

839
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 4: know what bucks are there. There was no care in

840
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: the world if you were going to hunt something, but

841
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 4: you prepped and visualized as if the buck of a

842
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 4: lifetime was going to be there. Growing up in Iowa,

843
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 4: if there was a big deer in the area. Now

844
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 4: all of the sudden we paid attention. Now all of

845
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 4: a sudden, we cared, you know what I mean. And

846
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 4: so that I think is the approach where it's like,

847
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter what's residing on the piece of property,

848
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 4: you're a steward of the land. Yeah, and maybe the

849
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 4: beginning of this conversation, it's like, what is the benefit

850
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 4: of that Michigan struggle. I mean, that seems to be

851
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 4: the connection for me watching you know, big picture.

852
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're exactly right. I set up all

853
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: the stuff like you're hunting the buck of a lifetime

854
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: because you never know when you might be, you know,

855
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 3: And so we do it all the same on each

856
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 3: one of them because eventually you're probably going to be

857
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: hunting a buck there that you're really happy to be hunting.

858
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: So it's just the way we go about it.

859
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: Scrape trees, rubbing posts. I've seen you install those in

860
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 2: some of your locations. What's the uh, what's the fine

861
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 2: tune process there? I've seen you've got some specific types

862
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: of limbs you prefer. I see you've got a very

863
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 2: specific post style you're using a lot of the time.

864
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: How do you do that in the best possible way?

865
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 2: And why?

866
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's all been trial and error. I may

867
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 3: have been one of the first guys to ever start

868
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: using the rubbing posts This goes back to the early

869
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: two thousands, just after I got here, and it was

870
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: just well, if he likes to scrape on this edge,

871
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: what if he likes to scrape right here by my

872
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: tree stand, you know. And so it was just a

873
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: trial thing. I've got some old pictures going way back,

874
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,479
Speaker 3: and you know what worked was just trying to limbs,

875
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: and I try hickory limb, I try an oak limb, cedar,

876
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: you know, all this different stuff, just to see what

877
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 3: if they preferred anything more than another. So that's just

878
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 3: more so trial and error and working on all that.

879
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: You know, probably the best thing would be in this

880
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: area as a cedar post. If you had pine like

881
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: you do in Michigan, you got quite a bit of pine.

882
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 3: If you trim down a pine post or a cedar

883
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: post and then planted, that would probably be better than

884
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 3: these store bought and things. But just for ease of

885
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: going and getting as many as you want, it's you know,

886
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: easier to go to the lumberyard and just get a

887
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 3: bunch of these posts and then drill your hole. But

888
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: I've got just one seedar post that we trimmed out

889
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: and planned it because I wanted to try it. Like

890
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 3: everything else, you know, Just so I would say that's

891
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: probably all of that has just been trial and error

892
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: and what's worked and what hasn't.

893
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 4: For somebody who hasn't seen you do it on video,

894
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 4: what is your process? Because you mentioned the limb, but

895
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 4: you know, walk somebody through that.

896
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. So when I have a good spot, and a

897
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: lot of times these are beyond food sources or openings,

898
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 3: I'll put this rubbing post twenty yards from my tree.

899
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 3: I want it to be a good shot. Obviously, you're

900
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: not gonna put it out thirty or forty yards and

901
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: give yourself a tougher shot than you need to. So

902
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: twenty yards. You don't want him right under your tree,

903
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: but you know, a good shot. That's a makable shot

904
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: for you. And then I'm going to point the limb

905
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: toward my tree because you want him either if he

906
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 3: comes from the side or even quartered away, you know

907
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: you want him to present that angle. If you put

908
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 3: it on the opposite side of the your rubbing post

909
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: or tree or whatever, then you know, possibly that's in

910
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 3: the way. So all those little details and then you know,

911
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: I'll drill a hole in that rubbing post and then

912
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 3: usually an oak limb is what I'll use a red

913
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 3: oak because they're pretty good limb. They don't break easily

914
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: like a white oak or some of the others. You know.

915
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: I've got a height that I really like, you know,

916
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 3: five and a half feet five and a half to

917
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: six feet. I like to have them up there and

918
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: just seems to be the ticket. And of course it's

919
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: great for inventory, I know, I talk about that a lot.

920
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 3: There's no other way rather get inventory. I don't know

921
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: if there's a better way.

922
00:42:54,080 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 2: Really, do you see that limb staying effective throughout the

923
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: entire season or do you ever replace it at some

924
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: point in the year so you have fresh leaves and

925
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: it's not all worn down yet.

926
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: I usually leave it for the entire season. But that's

927
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: just because the size of the scale I'm doing this

928
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: on now. I mean, it's it's like two days of

929
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: work to go around to every one of these and

930
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 3: replace the limb, you know. And so if you had one,

931
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: I've had to replace them several times because one had

932
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: got broken, you know. So if you have that scenario,

933
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 3: I'll go replace it right away. But most of the

934
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 3: time throughout the season, I'll just leave it as long

935
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 3: as that limbs still up.

936
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: Okay, what about mock scrapes in general, So not creating

937
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: a new tree in the middle of the field, but

938
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: do you ever create mock scrapes under existing trees elsewhere

939
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: to either enhance the stand site or you know some people,

940
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: some people go really wild and mock scrapes and like

941
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: to make tons of them all over the place to

942
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: try to like keep deer on their property. I've seen

943
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: other people remove licking branches so that deer won't scrape

944
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: anywhere except for right next to their tree stand where

945
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 2: they have one scrap. Do you do anything else like that?

946
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, both of those. I mean I'll do that, especially

947
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 3: around your stand location. Obviously, if it's a tree that's

948
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: right there where you want them, I'll do that very thing.

949
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 3: A lot of times, I'll just add a limb. I'll

950
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: cut an oak limb. If you've got whatever limb overhanging

951
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: it's not the right height, I'll go zip tie that

952
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: limb on so it hangs straight down. And they really

953
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 3: seem to like that. And like you said too, if

954
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: you've got limbs on the other side of the opening,

955
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: let's say that they really like to hit, and you'll

956
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 3: cut those down and make this the best scrape right there?

957
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, I do that all the time.

958
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: Okay, what about with the stand itself or the blind itself.

959
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: Is there any fine tuning that you do to either

960
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: make them more quiet or to better set them up

961
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: for good shots? What are those final things? You pick

962
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: the tree, you put the stand up, and now you're

963
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: sitting there just before you leave, and you're thinking yourself, Okay,

964
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: what are the last couple of things I need to

965
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: do to make sure this is bulletproof, to make sure

966
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: this is as good as possible? Does anything else stand

967
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: out that you sometimes do?

968
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 3: I mean, just looking at the tree from a deer's

969
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 3: perspective is one thing I like to do, and seeing

970
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: if you look skylined up there, if you need more cover,

971
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: I mean, can you get your stand where there's a

972
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: big limb breaking up your outline? I really like that.

973
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: If you can get in a tree that's got big

974
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: limbs coming off or multiple trunks that kind of breaks

975
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 3: you up. You know, you don't always have that, but

976
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: it's one of the things I look at. And then

977
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 3: my stand angle I really like too, is trying to

978
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: set that stand to where you can shoot off your

979
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 3: left shoulder. You know, for me being right handed, you

980
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: don't have to turn completely around on your stand to shoot.

981
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: I mean, if you get surprised, you're ready to go.

982
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: Just those little things.

983
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: Okay, so your property is prepped, you know.

984
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 4: The deer.

985
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 2: He When was it that you got the confirmed first

986
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: picture of him that he was alive this year?

987
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 3: Man? Uh you saw it first? Yeah? Yeah, Actually I

988
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: saw him early in the spring. I saw a bucket.

989
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: I remember telling Josh this. I thought was lockness at

990
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 3: the time, but it was so early in the year

991
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 3: I couldn't be certain, you know. I was like, man,

992
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: it might have been him. So all of a sudden,

993
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, maybe he is alive. And then it

994
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,959
Speaker 3: was later on. I think it was in July, maybe

995
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: late July. I had jumped the buck out of the

996
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 3: CRP and I said, it can't be any other. Buck

997
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: is huge, you know, super wide, kicker stickers, a little

998
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: drop and huge masks, and I'm like, he's got to

999
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: be alive. So then it's like just start dumping cameras

1000
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 3: in these areas, you know, trying to relocate him see

1001
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: if it is indeed him. So it was maybe middle

1002
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: of August, I think by the time I checked those

1003
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 3: cameras and confirmed that he was alive.

1004
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: Okay, So leading into opening day, you've got sightings from

1005
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: previous years, you have photos from that year and previous years,

1006
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: and then you know the history of how the property operates, right,

1007
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 2: how other deer have used it. What were the most

1008
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 2: important pieces of information in your mind that you had

1009
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: kind of figured out about this deer leading into that

1010
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: first day, whether it be like personality traits or how

1011
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: he used the landscape or anything else. What were those

1012
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 2: most important couple of things that you had learned up

1013
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: to that point that you thought were going to be

1014
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: critical to your success.

1015
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 3: Man, I really don't know. I think just having that

1016
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: area narrowed down to where he liked to live and

1017
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: seeing how he shifted once he shed his veil, but

1018
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: I think was probably the most critical because if you're

1019
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 3: hunting two hundred yards away from where he said, obviously

1020
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: you're in a disadvantage. So just know one where he

1021
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 3: wanted to be was super critical.

1022
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 2: So he knew basically where he went to bed. Did

1023
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 2: you have like a pattern as far as that man

1024
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 2: he usually will come out and feed in this area

1025
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: early or was there any kind of like annual pattern

1026
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: you were starting to see, or or window where you

1027
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: thought my best chance is going to be this window

1028
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: or anything like that.

1029
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: I really didn't from years past. That's why I was

1030
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: so surprised that to have him on a daylight pattern

1031
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: in that green plot were ended up getting him, you know,

1032
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: because I didn't have that years past. You just it

1033
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 3: was pretty nocturnal. You didn't see much of him, So

1034
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: it was a little surprising to have that this year.

1035
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 4: That's kind of what you talked about mark of You've

1036
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 4: noticed people make that trend of four or five and

1037
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden at six, I remember you

1038
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 4: find those sheds. Yeah, I'm like, so you think you

1039
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 4: got a good chance if he's alive. You're like, no,

1040
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 4: not at all. And that's like I mean, seriously, when

1041
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 4: you talk about personality types of bucks, I know it

1042
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 4: sounds crazy to some people like you maybe like humanized

1043
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 4: this deer, but it's it's a thing like some of

1044
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 4: the bucks on this wall. They were all around daylight, lockness,

1045
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 4: and the approach you made for him and all the

1046
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 4: plans you know, when you found those sheds really had

1047
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 4: nothing to do with how you killed them, right, Yeah,

1048
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 4: that's right. Maybe that'd be something like four and five.

1049
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 4: What kind of buck was he?

1050
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now, yeah, I totally agree with that. He

1051
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: was super nocturnal. I mean, I guess a little bit.

1052
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: At five. I had him at one place we called

1053
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 3: the Big Oak. I did have him daylight there several times.

1054
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: No real pattern to it, but he would daylight there.

1055
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: That's why I thought I might get my shot right there.

1056
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: So I guess, you know, going back to your point,

1057
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 3: that there was some historical data right there. But as

1058
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 3: it turned out, he did start the daylight in that

1059
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: green plot, which was surprising to me. So obviously having

1060
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: that information was critical.

1061
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: So I heard that you decided not to use cell

1062
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: cameras this year. You went back to standard trail cameras.

1063
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: Can you explain that decision a little bit, especially when

1064
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 2: you've got your chance at a buck of a lifetime.

1065
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what I was thinking there,

1066
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 3: But you know, when I used to check cameras, like

1067
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 3: we all did, you know before selling all that, I

1068
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: just loved doing that. It was something I really enjoyed.

1069
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: So I would be out there most of the day

1070
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: and I'm getting my exercise. Besides, plus I'm on the

1071
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: farm that I love. I'm just you know, So that

1072
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 3: was the allure to it. I want to get back

1073
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 3: to that because it's something I just love to do.

1074
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 3: And then the other thing in regards to the lockness

1075
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: Buck is I just wanted that shock value when he

1076
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 3: stepped out. I didn't really know he was there, and

1077
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, You're like, well, there he is.

1078
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: And you know, the older guys you know that. You know,

1079
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 3: we never had that kind of information growing up, and

1080
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 3: so all of them were like that. You're like, oh

1081
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 3: my gosh, here he comes, you know, And so I

1082
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 3: wanted that again with this lockness Buck. But then you know,

1083
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: as we started into the season, I didn't know where

1084
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 3: he was. Yeah, I know, I know, Josh you talked

1085
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 3: about a little bit. It was driving me crazy. I'd

1086
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 3: be texting John, I have no idea where he's at.

1087
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: He left the state, and you know, in hindsight, he

1088
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 3: was living in such a small area that that's why

1089
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: I wasn't getting him anywhere else because he just wasn't moving.

1090
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,959
Speaker 3: You know, it's just bed to food, food to bed.

1091
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: So what was the camera strategy then? As far as

1092
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: since you since you did not sell cameras. You were

1093
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: going back to the camera strategy that we were all using,

1094
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: you know, five ten years ago, where you had to

1095
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: actually go in there pull the cards yourself. So did

1096
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: you have more conservative camera placement because of that, or

1097
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: did you stick them where you always would and just

1098
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: had a certain way you could access them so that

1099
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: it was low impact. How often were you checking them?

1100
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm curious about all that.

1101
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I put them in the traditional spots

1102
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 3: where they're easy to check. I'm usually on the fringes

1103
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 3: or on these paths like a mode path, you know,

1104
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 3: we're easy to get in and out sent free that

1105
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: kind of thing, or by a tree stand, you know,

1106
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: if you go in to hunt it, you can pull

1107
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 3: the card then. But you know, I was as we

1108
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: started getting into the season, I started checking them a

1109
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 3: little more and a little more because I'm like, what's

1110
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: going on? You know. Of course I would only check

1111
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 3: him with the correct win for where I thought he

1112
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 3: was betting. I'll tell you something that might be a

1113
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 3: little bit surprising. On that Green source, I had six

1114
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 3: cameras on one Green source, and it would blow your

1115
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 3: mind that I would only get him on one camera there.

1116
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 3: But consistent, and you know, so finally you started to

1117
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: piece it together. Actually where he's walking out of the timber.

1118
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 3: How you get him on one camera not on any

1119
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 3: of the others, you know, So that's very surprising that

1120
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: he would he would stay to the middle of that

1121
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: plot most of the time where he would walk out,

1122
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: And so I knew all that, and he might have

1123
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 3: seen in the main show. We put a tree stand

1124
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: up just trying to catch that movement. Yeah, it didn't

1125
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 3: work out that way. We didn't get the wind for it,

1126
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: but it was interesting. We had a good plan because

1127
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: he spent a lot of time in front of that

1128
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 3: tree stand. As you'll see in the two encounters, he

1129
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 3: was in front of that stand on both.

1130
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: How big is this grain food plot that he was

1131
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: checking out?

1132
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 3: It's about two acres, maybe just just a hair under

1133
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 3: two acres.

1134
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so you've got six cameras on one two acre

1135
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: food plot. That's interesting. That's very interesting. Can I think

1136
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: I understand the why now because you just described right

1137
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: like and this is something I've seen too, Like one

1138
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: camera does not capture nearly a full picture of what's

1139
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 2: going on in an area like that. How do you

1140
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 2: decide where those six cameras go. And is that something

1141
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: you do on every food source? Do you fully cover

1142
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: food sources in that kind of way or was that

1143
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: unique just because you thought lockedness was here and so

1144
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: you're going to cover all major entries or exits.

1145
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, it was because I thought that deer

1146
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 3: was living there in that area, and so I was

1147
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 3: trying to pin down to what he might be doing

1148
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: because he is such a different deer. I mean, he

1149
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 3: did everything. He wasn't a very social buck, you know,

1150
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 3: he didn't seem to hang around many deer at all,

1151
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 3: and so I wanted to really pin down what he

1152
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: was doing specifically, you know, not really caring what any

1153
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 3: other deer were doing. And so that was unique to that.

1154
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 3: Usually I've got one camera on a food source, maybe

1155
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 3: two sometimes, and usually I'll put him on scrapes this

1156
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 3: time of year because you've got a real good chance

1157
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: of catching whatever buck that is.

1158
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 4: You know, how many did you start with, because that's

1159
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 4: one thing you didn't put six there day one, right,

1160
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 4: I mean I think you had the one on the scrape.

1161
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 3: Just well, the one it was just on the corner

1162
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 3: of that plot, so you can kind of catch him

1163
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 3: coming and going.

1164
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 4: So it was like once you knew he was there, yes,

1165
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 4: then it was put him.

1166
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,479
Speaker 3: All in yep, on all the scrapes. Now I'm trying

1167
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: to trying to figure out a line of movement, is

1168
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 3: what I was trying to do. You know, I want

1169
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 3: to see him coming from one way going to another,

1170
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 3: and that's also going to help me figure out where

1171
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 3: he's betting. You know. But again, you're checking SD cards,

1172
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 3: so it's not like you're there every day. But I

1173
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: figured it was a long season, you know, hopefully I

1174
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 3: was going to have time on my side.

1175
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is your process? You know, this doesn't have

1176
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: to be just lockedness. This could be larger than all

1177
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: the other bucks. But you're running cameras, you have all

1178
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: these photos. When you're trying to use those photos to

1179
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: inform your hunts, what level of detail do you drill

1180
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 2: down with those? Are you looking at a specific buck

1181
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: and what he did last year and what he did

1182
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: the year before and the year before and then trying

1183
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: to find that specific annual pattern and window, or are

1184
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: you looking and taking a look at Okay, these are

1185
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: the days he daylighted. What was the wind, what was

1186
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: the temperature, what was the barometric pressure? What was the moon?

1187
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: Do you get that nitty gritty into it or is

1188
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 2: it more just for recent Hey he's moving yesterday or

1189
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: he's moving last week, I should hunt.

1190
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: No, the prior year's data I think is very useful.

1191
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 3: They did the year before the year before that, especially

1192
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: as they get older, as you know we talked about

1193
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: before before you started recording. You know, as the's deer

1194
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 3: get older, they keep shrinking these cores down, and so

1195
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 3: you know, once they get to four and five and

1196
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 3: they're really showing you where they like to be, I

1197
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: think that's critical information. But you know, the real specific

1198
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 3: stuff of the wind direction in that pay really a

1199
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: lot of attention to to which I know a lot

1200
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 3: of guys do. But you know, I'm going to be

1201
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 3: out there either way, so I don't you know, if

1202
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 3: he walked in on a south wind, it's nice information

1203
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 3: to know, but you might walk it on a north

1204
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 3: wind too.

1205
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 4: So one thing I hear you talk about a lot

1206
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 4: is keeping the food the same. Yeah, that you know,

1207
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 4: I think that that would be what he puts the

1208
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 4: most stake in. That's right again, going back to find

1209
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 4: those sheds, I'm like, what's the plan. You're like, this

1210
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 4: is the plan. I don't want to change anything. A

1211
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 4: lot of people I've been around, like, well, how do

1212
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 4: I make this better?

1213
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 5: What?

1214
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 3: You know?

1215
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 4: It's like, if he's here, don't touch it. But obviously

1216
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 4: you've changed a little bit with that mix. I mean

1217
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 4: that that might be something too, like why do you

1218
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 4: think was there, yes, the bedroom, but you gave him

1219
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 4: a schmorgasboard of like, no matter what palatability that mix

1220
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 4: had it early.

1221
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 3: Season exactly right. I wanted there to be something there

1222
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 3: that he really liked, and so it had everything in it.

1223
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 3: And I've done that several times. I think that was

1224
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 3: why That's what I wanted to do because I've done

1225
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: it several times before and it's always worked out, you know,

1226
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 3: and picket fans and Wide nine and Crabs Buck and

1227
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 3: so there was a lot of them that I'd hunted

1228
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,720
Speaker 3: that way and kept it the same and it worked.

1229
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 3: They did the same thing from year to year. If

1230
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: you don't have another dominant buck that's moving them out

1231
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 3: of that area, I don't think they're going to go

1232
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: anywhere if you give them everything they need, you know.

1233
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I get the idea of wanting to keep

1234
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 2: the bedroom and the food basically the same. So they

1235
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: stick to that usual pattern they've been on. But what

1236
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: about a situation where you don't have that control, So

1237
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: something like what I'm dealing with, and something many all

1238
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: the places they hunt, I guess is there's corn and

1239
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 2: bean rotations right every other year, the farmer's change and

1240
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: what's planted. And so one of the things that I

1241
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 2: frequently find myself debating is I'm trying to understand these

1242
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: annual patterns that a buck has and I'm thinking, Okay,

1243
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: this is what he did. Is a three year old,

1244
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: this is what he did is a four year old,

1245
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 2: and now he's a five year old and trying to

1246
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: hunt him, and I can look at well, I'll give

1247
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: you my exact scenario. This year, I'm after a buck.

1248
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: He's five. There's corn this year in the area. Now,

1249
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 2: I've got a whole lot of history and photos of

1250
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 2: him last year as a four year old, and you

1251
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: would think that would be the most useful because he

1252
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: was more mature, closer to what he is now. But

1253
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: the farm's different because last year the farm had soybeans

1254
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: all over it and it was wide open. This year

1255
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: has corn and there's all sorts of cover. So I'm

1256
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: thinking to myself, well, does his behavior last year is

1257
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: that the most helpful because he was four, or should

1258
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: I actually be looking at him when he was three

1259
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: because that was the time he had the same habitat

1260
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: there was corn, And so I'm trying to think, like,

1261
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: maybe I should be paying attention to what he did

1262
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: when it was last corn. What are your thoughts on

1263
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: that and the impact of that crop rotation and how

1264
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: that may or may not impact, you know, an annual

1265
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: pattern of some type.

1266
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say you look at both of those,

1267
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 3: you kind of weigh all that out together and see

1268
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 3: if there's anything that you see he did on both ears,

1269
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 3: you know, maybe that's maybe that's what you look at.

1270
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 3: But on yours that are corn, you're always going to

1271
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 3: have more deer in there. I shouldn't say always, but

1272
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 3: most of the time when you get to that cold weather,

1273
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 3: they gravitate toward corn. I used to tell my neighbors,

1274
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 3: you know, my friends and stuff, that they would have

1275
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: these great food plots and all these beans and stuff,

1276
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 3: and their neighbor had all this corn. I'd be like, dude,

1277
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 3: you've got to have corn. I'm telling you if you

1278
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: don't have corn on your farm, you're at a disadvantage

1279
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 3: because they will there's a time of year they will

1280
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 3: gravitate to corn and that's where they'll be. So I

1281
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: like your odds this year with corn on that farm.

1282
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you've got corn that you can control, which

1283
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: I'm thinking you do have. I guess, hey, do you

1284
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 2: have plots that you planted in corn or own that

1285
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: you can mow or manipulate in some kind of way.

1286
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,919
Speaker 2: And if so, is there anything you do to take

1287
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 2: advantage of that? Because I know a lot of folks

1288
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: will cut down corn in front of their blind at

1289
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: a certain time of year, or they will have a

1290
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: you know, access routes or a hub of a wheel

1291
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: type design and using standing corn in a strategic way.

1292
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: Have you ever done that?

1293
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, quite a bit. Actually, the hub of the

1294
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: wheel thing is one that's pretty killer. You have all

1295
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 3: these paths coming into your blind set up or your

1296
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 3: tree stand. That's a lot of fun because they will

1297
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 3: actually use those. You know, they're not going to fight

1298
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 3: the corn, especially a buck like lockness. It's that wide.

1299
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 3: He can't even go down the rows corn rows, and

1300
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 3: so these paths like that, I mean, I didn't have

1301
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: any set up for him, but I've done that in

1302
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 3: the past and it works very good. You can even

1303
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 3: do that in soybeans, even though they can walk right

1304
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 3: through them. They just like walking down a wide open path.

1305
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 3: It just seems easiest for them. You know. Path of

1306
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 3: least resistance. That's one of those terms that you know,

1307
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 3: we've been using for I don't know, twenty five thirty years.

1308
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 3: You know when you read articles and all that they

1309
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 3: take the path at least resistance, just like when you're

1310
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 3: walking through the timber and you ser club around the

1311
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 3: head of a ditch path least resistance, that's the same

1312
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 3: thing they're going to do nine out of ten times.

1313
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: Are there any other examples of you making paths of

1314
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 2: least resistance where you want them?

1315
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, for sure. Crossings ditch crossings would be a

1316
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: big one. Where you know, maybe you've got a food

1317
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 3: plot in a ditch and erosion ditch and you need

1318
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 3: access to it a farm access. Well, I'm going to

1319
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: manipulate where I put that farm crossing just so happens

1320
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 3: to be by a really good tree, you know. So yeah,

1321
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 3: that's something you can do.

1322
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, driving for your green plot yeah.

1323
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, drove through the green plot to make tracks. So

1324
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 3: hopefully they'll walk down those you know again path to

1325
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 3: least resistance. Yeah, good point.

1326
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they they'll take that little tire track just

1327
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 2: a little bit easier. Huh.

1328
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's surprising the things that they'll do that you

1329
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 3: would think, well, they can walk across the green just

1330
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 3: as easy. But they're just by nature, they're just lazy

1331
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 3: or conservative. I would say that they're just smart. They

1332
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 3: can serve energy, you know.

1333
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 2: All Right, So the next thing I'm curious about, I'm

1334
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: going to keep on taking you down the path of

1335
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: my hunt and using your hunt to help my hunt.

1336
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm hunting a specific buck. Like I mentioned, I just

1337
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,439
Speaker 2: told you one of the things I'm thinking about, and

1338
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 2: one of the constant struggles is that it's a fun struggle,

1339
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: but it's one of the things that I stay up

1340
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: late thinking about, is trying to make the decision of

1341
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: where to hunt this year, right, and so kind of

1342
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: similar to your hunt with Lockness, I have a pretty

1343
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 2: strong idea of you know where I think he's betted

1344
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 2: a lot of the time. He's got his pocket that

1345
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: he owns now, it seems like but then it's on

1346
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 2: any given day, where do I hunt around that pocket?

1347
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 3: Right?

1348
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: You look at wind and you say, okay, these are

1349
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 2: the places I could safely hunt with the wind. But

1350
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 2: then you're trying to make the determination, well, is he

1351
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 2: going to go east on this day or west this day?

1352
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: Or is he going south this day? I'm curious when

1353
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 2: you were thinking about Lockness or some of your other deer.

1354
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: There's a better example. What does your decision making process

1355
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: look like when trying to make that call? Where do

1356
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 2: I hunt on this given day? I know his core,

1357
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: but now I'm trying to pick you know, the spot

1358
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: within that zone. Can you walk me through the criteria

1359
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 2: you're looking at and how you specifically zone in on

1360
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 2: the perfect place for today?

1361
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 3: As you alluded to, you know the wind direction and

1362
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 3: all that stuff's pretty standard. You know, I've got to

1363
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 3: hunt this on this wind direction. I think if you

1364
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 3: can pin down worries likely to be feeding, or if

1365
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 3: you're getting pictures of him feeding there, that sure helps

1366
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 3: an awful lot because now you can kind of put

1367
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 3: a line of travel together, even though maybe you don't

1368
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 3: know exactly where he's betting. Maybe you know the hub

1369
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 3: or the general woodlot where he's betting. So now you

1370
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 3: can start to pick. Okay, maybe he's using this path

1371
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 3: or this way to get to that food. And a

1372
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 3: lot of times if you can get closer to the

1373
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 3: betting area, all the better. I've seen some really big

1374
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 3: mature bucks that won't feed out into like an egg

1375
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 3: field with the rest of the deer. I'll see those

1376
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 3: come through, and maybe smaller bucks and stuff no feed

1377
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 3: out up into a field agfield, and they're all up

1378
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 3: there and the big mature buck is just standing down

1379
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 3: there wasting time making scrapes rub and he's just on

1380
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 3: the edge of the betting, you know, and he's waiting

1381
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 3: for dark and then he's going to walk out. You know.

1382
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 3: Of course that all changes during the rut. I mean,

1383
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 3: that's why so many big deer get killed. But closer

1384
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 3: you can be to that betting area with that scenario,

1385
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 3: I think the better off you are.

1386
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 2: What about this, What about a situation where there's not

1387
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 2: just that one food source that he's hitting, where it's

1388
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 2: not just a line of from A to B. What

1389
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 2: if it's like there's a B and a C and

1390
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: a D and an E and he's got like three

1391
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: or four different options how do you try to approach

1392
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 2: a hunt like that? Because I've sometimes found myself in

1393
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: a situation like that where I'll be like, Okay, well

1394
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: today I'll hunt B, and then tomorrow hunt C, and

1395
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: the next day I'll hunt D. Or I'll chase a

1396
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: picture or something else. See I had a dailight picture

1397
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 2: of him two days ago at A. So I go

1398
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: to A and then he's he's at C, and then

1399
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: I will go and hunt him at C, and then

1400
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 2: you know he's at D. Do you like do you

1401
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 2: bounce around like that too? If a buck has multiple

1402
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 2: lines he might be taking. I kind of have a

1403
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: lot of spots where it's like a hub of a

1404
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: wheel situation where the buck's bedroom is at that hub.

1405
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: But then on any given day, he's got an option

1406
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 2: to go north or south or east or west. Do

1407
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 2: you chase him around? Or are you the type that

1408
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 2: likes to pick one spot and give it three days

1409
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: in a row because eventually he'll cycle through.

1410
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't hunt three days in a row on

1411
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 3: a given spot very often. I mean, I think you

1412
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 3: can look at that historical data and see if you

1413
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,479
Speaker 3: can find anything. Okay, he was here on this day

1414
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 3: and sometimes you can put steak in that that's a good,

1415
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 3: you know, good way to go about it. But I

1416
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 3: think more than anything in that scenario is you just

1417
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 3: got to put your time in. I really think there's

1418
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 3: no magic secret sauce to it. You just got to

1419
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 3: be there. I mean, there's so much of it, you know,

1420
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 3: goes about you can talk about, you know, what a

1421
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 3: great hunter you're on in all this, but so much

1422
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 3: of it goes back to just that great and determination

1423
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 3: of just being there when the opportunity presented itself.

1424
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 4: You know, for me going back to again the beginning

1425
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 4: of this conversation, for you, you can put that time

1426
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 4: in though that maybe other guys aren't going to see

1427
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 4: the same results because you paid attention to your entrants

1428
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 4: to your exit. I think that's why you're able to

1429
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 4: hunt so many different spots, whereas like a guy like me,

1430
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 4: it's like, well if I go in there, man, I'm

1431
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 4: worried about bumping them out. You know, you bounce around

1432
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,439
Speaker 4: so much and have so much success though, because you're,

1433
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 4: like we talked about, the deer don't know you're.

1434
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 3: There, right, It's like you're never for there. Yeah, I

1435
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 3: agree with that, Yep.

1436
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 2: How many hunts did it take this season before you

1437
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 2: killed Lackness? Is it three?

1438
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 3: I think I want to say it was five hunts,

1439
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 3: maybe four days? In five hunts we hunted one morning

1440
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 3: for him.

1441
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: Okay, could you walk me through each of those five

1442
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 2: hunts and just tell me why you hunted each specific spot,

1443
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: like what your thought process was, why you thought that

1444
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 2: would be a place to kill, and how you were

1445
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 2: able to get in and out and pull off each

1446
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 2: of those hunts. I think that might be a useful example.

1447
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so, I think I've got a daylight

1448
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 3: pattern on him on that green source. You know, if

1449
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 3: you look back to a couple of weeks prior, I

1450
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 3: had a bunch of pictures of him in daylight on

1451
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 3: that green source. So of course I'm thinking, if he

1452
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 3: keeps doing that, I've got a really good shot to

1453
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 3: see him. You'll get a crack at him. And so

1454
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 3: the first time I hunted, I think was the third October.

1455
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 3: Third we had that real warm weather. It was high eighties.

1456
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 3: I didn't hunt the first two days, you know, I

1457
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 3: don't want to do more harm than good. And it

1458
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 3: finally cooled down about ten degrees. So we went into

1459
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 3: that green source on the south wind and hunted the

1460
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 3: tree stand that we set up on the main show,

1461
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 3: you know, when Josh was with me, and I thought

1462
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 3: that was the right spot to catch him where he'd

1463
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 3: been coming out, which he came out both times we've

1464
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 3: seen him, he came out of that side. He never

1465
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 3: did show up that day, so he was in there

1466
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 3: later after dark and maybe that just goes back to

1467
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 3: the temperature, you know, he was just moving nocturnal. So

1468
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 3: that was day one. Day two, I believe, we went

1469
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 3: and hunted. I actually set a different spot because I

1470
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 3: thought I knew where he was betting. So I went

1471
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 3: and hunted a spot where I could watch a big

1472
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 3: field if he moved. If he wasn't, I'm thinking, okay,

1473
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 3: he's not moving through this green source in daylight right now.

1474
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 3: Maybe he just shed his velvet went nocturnal. I want

1475
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 3: to be able to watch an area where I think

1476
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 3: is close to where he's betting, and see if he's

1477
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 3: coming out a different direction.

1478
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 4: Maybe.

1479
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 3: You know, generally they're moving some during daylight, you know,

1480
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 3: even during this time of year, it's just not far.

1481
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 3: And so I set a spot where I could just

1482
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 3: watch quite a bit of area it's just open with

1483
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 3: a lot of honey locust and brush and stuff. And

1484
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 3: we sat there and had a real slow hunt. I

1485
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 3: remember saying, you know, when you're hunting a deer like this,

1486
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 3: it's just not social. He's not around a lot of

1487
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 3: other deer. Doesn't really bother me to get skunked. Even

1488
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 3: we've seen a couple deer, but you know, to see

1489
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 3: that one deer as all year after. And so that's

1490
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 3: why I set that. And he didn't work out, but

1491
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 3: I thought maybe we'd gained some valuable information, you know.

1492
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 3: Day three, we went into actually went into his bedroom

1493
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 3: where I thought he was bedding. We're going to be

1494
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 3: on the downwind edge of it. Got in there nice

1495
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 3: and early, and the weather just didn't turn out that day.

1496
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 3: It would start picking up, crazy wind, thunderstorm came in.

1497
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 3: So what happened thunderstart boom, and I said, we're out

1498
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 3: of here. I'm not setting in the tree in this

1499
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 3: gust and wind, you know. So we just got down

1500
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 3: and left that morning. And of course you worried did

1501
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 3: you do any harm that day? You know, anytime you're

1502
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 3: going in the dark, you don't want to bump into him,

1503
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 3: and so you know that was that was the concern

1504
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 3: for sure.

1505
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 2: Yes, So before you go any further on, can you

1506
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 2: tell me why you were willing to swing that seems

1507
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 2: like a pretty big swing. You went in on a

1508
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 2: morning hunt in early October into his bedroom. Why were

1509
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 2: you willing What made you want to take that aggressive

1510
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 2: of a move at that point the season with those conditions.

1511
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 3: I just felt like, if he's living in that that's

1512
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 3: small of an area. I think you just have a

1513
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 3: chance to kill him. If you're going to go in

1514
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 3: right where he's moving, He's going to move some in

1515
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 3: daylight once he gets into that cover, I think you

1516
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 3: have a very good chance of seeing him. And you know,

1517
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 3: I'm just willing to take that risk. I've got, you know,

1518
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 3: high confidence that if we see him, we're going to

1519
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 3: get a crack at him in this small of an area.

1520
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 4: And that was the front end of that weather change too.

1521
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 3: That was yeah, yeah, yeah, you have the weather patterns,

1522
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 3: thought maybe it'd have him up on his feet a

1523
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 3: little more.

1524
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: What was your axis an exit to get into there

1525
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 2: before he did, hopefully, and then how'd you get out

1526
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 2: of there without possibly spooking him?

1527
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 3: Well, it's the same as most It just a an

1528
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 3: erosion ditch just dropped in and erosion ditch walked it

1529
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 3: up and there again the tree stand. Like I talked

1530
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 3: about before, there's a lot of times right on the

1531
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 3: edge of these ditches or creeks. So when you get

1532
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 3: down out of the tree, just dropped into this creek,

1533
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 3: walk the drainage all the way out. Yeah, that's what

1534
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 3: we did that matter of fact, we got down there.

1535
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 3: It was a little it was a little fore corn

1536
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 3: or something's better right by the tree, and we've got down,

1537
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 3: walked out and never even bumped him.

1538
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to have those dishes. I wish we

1539
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 2: had more of those by me. Okay, So that was

1540
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 2: day three or hunt three. Uh, what was next?

1541
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 3: So then we went back to the green source. I

1542
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 3: still didn't know where he was at this point. I

1543
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 3: remember this is when I was, you know, texting Josh,

1544
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 3: kind of freaking out where to go he disappeared. Can

1545
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 3: I turn my cell cams back? I didn't say that,

1546
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 3: but you know, you're you're kind of second guess your

1547
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 3: decision at that point. You're like, man, did I mess up?

1548
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 3: Because it's a deer of a lifetime and obviously you

1549
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 3: don't want anything bad to happen. Anything could happen, the

1550
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 3: HD gets caught in a fence or whatever. So we

1551
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 3: go back to the green source, but now we have

1552
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 3: instead of the southern winds we had, now it's out

1553
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 3: of the west northwest, so we've got a switch where

1554
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 3: we can set. We can't hunt the tree stand anymore

1555
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 3: because it cuts right across the green source, and so

1556
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 3: we go down and hunt the blind. I ended up

1557
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 3: getting him otto that we had an encounter. You know,

1558
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 3: that night we ended up seeing him. I didn't think

1559
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 3: he was going to show. I closed out the segment

1560
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 3: my blog, so you know, he's a no show today

1561
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 3: and there's there's ten minutes left probably in autipops.

1562
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 2: And so how was that blind positioned in relation to

1563
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 2: you know, where he thought he was a bad ed? Like?

1564
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 2: Why was that blind where it was?

1565
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 3: And that was there historically? I mean the reason it

1566
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 3: was where it was is because it's close to the creek.

1567
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 3: It sets you up kind of in the middle of

1568
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 3: that plot, so you can get movement coming from either direction.

1569
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 3: It's a kind of an L shaped or boomerang, and

1570
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 3: so it's in that little hub in the middle and

1571
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 3: then it's backed up to a creek, and so that

1572
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 3: had been there for several years. We didn't just set

1573
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 3: that up for him, you know, all of a sudden.

1574
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so you see the buck, he's out there after dark.

1575
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 2: I saw the video where you waited a long time

1576
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 2: to make sure he was gone, and then you had

1577
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 2: you had a great exit route out of there, and

1578
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 2: I understand you have prepared a second vehicle to ensure

1579
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: you could get out of there. Smart. Can you talk

1580
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,759
Speaker 2: about your two vehicle excess strategy?

1581
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I just thought about it, you know,

1582
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 3: in advance, I said, and what if we get pinned

1583
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 3: down in that blind, We've got to have another place

1584
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,560
Speaker 3: we can get out and walk this creek, which is

1585
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 3: why the blind is there to start with, is so

1586
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 3: you can exit on that creek. So I just, you know,

1587
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 3: did that in advance. I said, let's just play it, Smart,

1588
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 3: go park this other vehicle there. If we have to

1589
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 3: walk out that way, it's there, and then we'll just

1590
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 3: drive back to the main vehicle we used to get in.

1591
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 4: And so what struck me when we talked about that

1592
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 4: was your entrance is right across the plot, which some

1593
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 4: people might be like, you're walking across the area that

1594
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 4: these deer are going to go feed. You know, you

1595
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 4: talk about leaving scent trails and disturbing where your deer

1596
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 4: is going to be, you know, talk about that where

1597
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 4: the entrance is, because I think the geographic features influence

1598
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 4: that you walk in on the mode or just the

1599
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 4: driven path, right, paying attention the scent. I mean again,

1600
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 4: these are along those lines of like I feel like

1601
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 4: you're just like, that's what I do. It is me

1602
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 4: as a hunter. I' mike, why would you walk across

1603
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 4: the food? How'd you get away with that? Why they

1604
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 4: just walk right? And why'd you leave? Because the way

1605
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 4: you exit died was completely different? Right, And I talk

1606
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 4: about that too, I.

1607
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 3: Think, yeah, I mean it, just like you said, this

1608
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 3: is what we do all the time, is these paths,

1609
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 3: whether it's a path you just drive in on so

1610
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 3: you have you know, no vegetation or very little, and

1611
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 3: then just being meticulous about your sink control, I think

1612
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 3: is a big deal. I started when I got out here,

1613
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 3: I wasn't meticulous. You know, sprays were just starting to

1614
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 3: come out, and I would have deer track me to

1615
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 3: my tree stand. All the time. They cut your trail,

1616
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 3: you know, and then you have to start figuring out

1617
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 3: ways to get in or they're not going to cut

1618
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 3: your trail. You know, that was your entry route then

1619
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 3: is to go around, or they're not going to come

1620
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 3: across your trail. And so once we started being meticulous

1621
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 3: about the boots and the pant legs and all that

1622
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 3: and keeping the vegetation low, I found that we can

1623
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 3: get away with just cutting right across the plot if

1624
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 3: you do that, you know, and I watch them cut

1625
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 3: my trail all the time, and of course, poor Devin

1626
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 3: a lot of times, I'm like, dude, when I walk

1627
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 3: across this, you got to be in the same path

1628
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 3: as me, because I want one cent trail. If you

1629
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 3: overhear the wife need from me, I'm gonna be like, dude,

1630
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 3: what are you doing here? You know, that's just how

1631
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 3: ridiculous in the attention to detail it. You know we are.

1632
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 3: So it works though, that's the thing. We see it

1633
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 3: over and over. They just don't cut that. And then

1634
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 3: you know, getting in, like Josh alluded to, there's just

1635
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 3: topography there. They can't see you. And then when you

1636
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 3: get farther down the hill there's cedars in there. They

1637
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 3: really can't see it. On a on a west or

1638
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 3: northwest wind. You got a good wind for it too.

1639
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 3: Even though it's at your back, it's still blowing into

1640
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 3: an area that there shouldn't be any dear bedded and.

1641
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 4: So, okay, like that, seeh I hear that. I'm like,

1642
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 4: you walked in with the wind at your back. You

1643
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,440
Speaker 4: never hear that, right.

1644
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 2: And you went that way just because you knew that

1645
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 2: was the only way to get in there without having

1646
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 2: to walk through the bedding, but also not have him

1647
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 2: wins you.

1648
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,839
Speaker 3: Correct. Yeah, Now the way we exit through the creek,

1649
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 3: you do have to go through betting, you know, like

1650
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 3: you said, if you walk in that way, you probably

1651
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 3: bump deer and so, but when you walk out that way,

1652
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 3: the deer are gone by then, and so it's a great,

1653
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 3: great way to get out of there.

1654
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 2: So you see him, it's after dark, you slip out

1655
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: down to the creek. You're you're did you feel really

1656
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 2: confident you got out of there without without him spooking?

1657
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 2: Or were you kind of like, well, I sure hope

1658
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 2: he didn't see us climb out of the tree. How

1659
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 2: how confident were you with your exit?

1660
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 3: I felt great about it. We got out and climbed

1661
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 3: out and didn't hear a peep, and we knew he

1662
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 3: was still in the field, just up the hill farther,

1663
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 3: you know, because I was putting bay nose on him,

1664
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 3: and we never heard anything when we got out of there.

1665
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 3: And uh, of course when I when I seen that,

1666
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 3: and I felt we got out clean. I felt really

1667
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 3: good already about the next day's hunt. You'll probably see

1668
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 3: that in the interview, you know. I'm like, tomorrow sets

1669
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 3: up really good. It's still cool. He didn't know we

1670
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 3: were there. I think we got a real good shot

1671
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:57,839
Speaker 3: at him.

1672
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 2: So here's the biggest question of the whole podcast. How

1673
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 2: do you get your cameramen not to take forty five

1674
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 2: minutes to get out of the tree and make tons

1675
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 2: of noise while they're trying to do it?

1676
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, you know, you just got to be patient.

1677
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 3: I mean, you're gonna make It's just the way it goes,

1678
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 3: you know.

1679
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 2: All that camera gear.

1680
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 3: I'm probably all the time needling. I'm like, hey, could

1681
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 3: you make some more noise please?

1682
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Not not easy to have two people up there

1683
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 2: and all that gear and all that extra time, and

1684
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 2: it's constantly giving me a heart attack worrying about that.

1685
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 2: But okay, so you did you have like zero questions

1686
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 2: like we're going we're coming back to the same place tomorrow,

1687
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 2: or was there any part of you that thought, like, well,

1688
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 2: he doesn't usually do two things in the earth, He

1689
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 2: doesn't do the same thing day after day. Right, you

1690
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 2: hadn't been seeing anything that consistent from the past. So

1691
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 2: did any part of you think like, I should try

1692
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 2: to go somewhere else because he will do something different,

1693
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 2: or were you very confident he'll do the same thing tomorrow.

1694
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 3: I was pretty confident, or at least I thought we

1695
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 3: had a good shot do the same thing, you know,

1696
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,759
Speaker 3: after we saw him and we had the same conditions

1697
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 3: the next day, I felt good about him doing the

1698
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 3: same thing. Okay, doesn't always work that way, as you know,

1699
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 3: but yeah, sometimes it does.

1700
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 2: Now I want I want before we talk about the

1701
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 2: good news, I want to imagine a bad news scenario.

1702
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 2: So imagine you went back in the next day, you

1703
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 2: hunted that spot, and you did not see him. What

1704
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 2: would your strategy have looked like over the next couple

1705
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 2: of weeks if you had not killed Lockness? How would

1706
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 2: you what? What were you thinking? Like, I'm sure I'm

1707
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 2: guessing you're like me in that during the hunt, I'm

1708
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 2: already planning, well, what do I have to do tomorrow

1709
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 2: or next week or the next time I can hunt

1710
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 2: if this doesn't work out? What was your game plan

1711
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 2: going to be moving forward if you didn't get him

1712
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 2: killed on that day?

1713
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 3: Well, if you go back to the day before, where

1714
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 3: I didn't even know if he still existed, my game

1715
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 3: plan was to go check some cameras right there on

1716
01:17:57,960 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 3: that plot and see if he had been on that

1717
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 3: scrape again where he was consistent. Now, I just wanted

1718
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 3: to know he was alive and in the area, and

1719
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 3: then you know, that particular day, if he doesn't show up,

1720
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 3: I think I just keep hunting him the same way.

1721
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 3: I think I know where he's betting, So you just

1722
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 3: keep hunting the fringes of that taking your shots at him.

1723
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, nothing's ever one hundred percent, so

1724
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 3: you just keep taking your highest odds. You know, That's

1725
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 3: always what I talk about, is picking the spot where

1726
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 3: you have the highest odds. And you know that's what

1727
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 3: I would have done.

1728
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: And how how do you balance And we've talked about this,

1729
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 2: I guess, but how aggressive would you continue to be

1730
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 2: through October. Would you literally hunt every night or every

1731
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 2: day throughout October because your access and exus is so good,

1732
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 2: or at any point do you back off for a

1733
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 2: while and wait for something better. A lot of people

1734
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 2: like will only take their shots when they've got like

1735
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 2: this perfect weather condition or something, so they'll take a

1736
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 2: handful couple few shots throughout the month or something. Are

1737
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 2: you literally day after day after day?

1738
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 3: Not terrible weather? In my mind? You know, like the

1739
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 3: first couple of days where it's ninety degrees, I mean,

1740
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 3: I feel like there's low chance that he's going to

1741
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 3: move in daylight, which you know, you never know. You

1742
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 3: could still kill him if you're out there, but at

1743
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 3: some point you know there's just too much risk not

1744
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 3: enough reward and that, you know. So I've got to

1745
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 3: have at least good weather conditions to go after him,

1746
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 3: And so that's usually what I go with. If I

1747
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 3: feel like I have a good day where he would move, now,

1748
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hunt somewhere.

1749
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: What's good enough, Like what's that threshold where it's huntable?

1750
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 3: I think for this time of year, if you've got

1751
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 3: stuff in the sixties, you know, especially high pressure, a

1752
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 3: switch in wind direction, you know, all the things we

1753
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 3: talk about, some of the triggers, anything like that I

1754
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 3: think is good enough to give it a shot.

1755
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 2: Speaking of triggers, what are the most important things in

1756
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 2: your mind when it comes to that trigger that you

1757
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 2: think will really send him over the edge and maybe

1758
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 2: make you be more aggressive than usual. You mentioned changeing

1759
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:03,639
Speaker 2: wind direction. Do you give much credit to pressure or

1760
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 2: cold fronts or any kind of moon thing or anything else.

1761
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think number one for me is that cold front,

1762
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 3: that temperature differential and you go from ninety down to

1763
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 3: fifty or you know, anything like that. I think that

1764
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 3: is a trigger that gets almost all of them up

1765
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 3: on their feet. Even the most nocturnal bucks will usually

1766
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 3: be up and move it on those those cold fronts.

1767
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 3: I've killed several of them on cold front like that,

1768
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 3: so I'm a big believer in them. And then I

1769
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 3: do love the high pressure as well. When you start

1770
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 3: getting multiple things together, I think it just gets stronger

1771
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 3: and stronger. I like a rising moon in the evening.

1772
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 3: If you've got that too, then I just have to

1773
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 3: be out there at that point.

1774
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're going to keep hunting based on wind direction,

1775
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 2: based on you know, making sure we've got huntable conditions.

1776
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 2: What do those stand sites look like as the month progresses.

1777
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 2: Is there just a circle or a semi circle around

1778
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 2: his bed that you're just kind of cycling through based

1779
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 2: on things, or are you going to get to a

1780
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,759
Speaker 2: point in late October or November where it dramatically changes

1781
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 2: in some kind of way because they're shifting from a

1782
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 2: you know, October bed tofeed pattern to a rut type pattern.

1783
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 3: I think in this particular case, it would probably look

1784
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 3: the same because there's a lot of does there and

1785
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 3: so there's no reason for him to leave in this case.

1786
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 3: But you know, to your point, there are cases where, yeah,

1787
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 3: you're hunting them where he's at, but he's not around

1788
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 3: a lot of doughs. So he's going to be somewhere

1789
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 3: where you want to start hunting the does, you know,

1790
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 3: And that's always my strategy as we get toward late October,

1791
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 3: is I want to be hunting somewhere where we're going

1792
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 3: to see does and somewhere where there's a little pinch,

1793
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 3: whether it be a farm access road, you know, some

1794
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 3: kind of crossing. I like to couple those two things together,

1795
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 3: you know, So if they're just out cruising and there

1796
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 3: are no doughs, you still got a chance to catch him.

1797
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 3: Or if there's dos out there and he comes out

1798
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 3: bumps them around, you got a chance to catch him.

1799
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 3: So it's just about upping your odds, I think, is

1800
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 3: the way I look at it. You know, what can

1801
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 3: you do or where can you hunt to just ups

1802
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 3: your odds that much more?

1803
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 2: Can you describe for me an example of us You

1804
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 2: gave me a loose example there, but could you discuss

1805
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 2: a specific stand site for that time of the year

1806
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 2: that has that kind of like multiple stacked features. There'd

1807
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 2: be a great one of your actual great spots for

1808
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 2: that rut time period. Let's say, like for Lockness, what

1809
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:24,560
Speaker 2: would be your best spot to kill Lockness in November

1810
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 2: if you had still had to hunt him at that point.

1811
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 2: Could you describe what that might look like.

1812
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I've got a great spot

1813
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 3: for lock just off the top of my head. But

1814
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 3: if you go back to like where I killed the

1815
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 3: Wide nine is a perfect example of where I would

1816
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 3: hunt for that time of year. We've got these access

1817
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 3: roads that cut through between field to field, and so

1818
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 3: they follow those around the edge of the creek. So

1819
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 3: you've got the access and you're on food sources, so

1820
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 3: you've got the dose. So you have that's a perfect example,

1821
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 3: and I have that on either end of that field,

1822
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 3: there's the same kind of setup, which those are my

1823
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 3: favorites of that time of year. You get into the

1824
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 3: rut or late October love of.

1825
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 4: Those and all those cross things they're in bow range.

1826
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, exactly right.

1827
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty dynamite. Now, what about if we were

1828
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 2: to take that same question, but I asked you, you

1829
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 2: know where that would be, where like a deal spot

1830
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 2: to kill them would be. Let me look here at

1831
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 2: the calendar. So if this podcast is going to come

1832
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 2: out October nineteenth, so this podcast will come out October nineteenth,

1833
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. If someone's listening to this the day

1834
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 2: it comes out, and they're going to hunt this coming weekend,

1835
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 2: which would be Friday the twentieth, or Saturday the twenty first,

1836
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 2: or Sunday the twenty second, so they're listening to this

1837
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 2: before they're heading out for their weekend hunt, described to

1838
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 2: me the ideal setup you would have tried for that

1839
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 2: date range. And if there's a standsite you can think

1840
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 2: of that you could describe in detail, that would be

1841
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 2: perfect for those dates.

1842
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know where I ended up killing

1843
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 3: him from. Just south of that or north of that

1844
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 3: actually is a south wind setup. It's right there, kind

1845
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 3: of like what we talked. It's a go between. It's

1846
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 3: on a food source, but there's a nice trail that

1847
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 3: goes into some bedding, you know, a good, good entry

1848
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 3: and exit. Again, I mean, I'm still gonna be hunting

1849
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 3: around food that time of year. It's not you know,

1850
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 3: November seventh, where I want the best funnel there is

1851
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 3: on the farm. I still want to be around the

1852
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 3: food source because again, he just want to up my odds.

1853
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 3: So if he comes out to feed and he's not

1854
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 3: fired up on you know, because a lot of times

1855
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 3: a six year old buck he knows when the time's

1856
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 3: right as far as the dose are concerned, where the

1857
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 3: two and the three year olds are going berserk, you know,

1858
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 3: So he might just come out and feed and doesn't

1859
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 3: care about the dose yet. So I want to be

1860
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 3: on that food source so you can catch that. But

1861
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,560
Speaker 3: I also want the dose around. So if that particular

1862
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 3: food source maybe you're hunting an oak flat or something

1863
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 3: and there's no doze in there, I don't like that

1864
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 3: scenario either, because you can't cash in on the dough scenario,

1865
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 3: so I want both of those.

1866
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm stuck on something you mentioned a little while ago,

1867
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 2: which was that you wouldn't hunt a spot three times

1868
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 2: in a row, but you did have an example where

1869
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 2: you would set a spot two days in a row.

1870
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 2: And you also have talked about how you've got this

1871
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 2: great access and exit routes where you can hunt generally

1872
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,839
Speaker 2: over and over and over again in this area because

1873
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 2: you've designed it and you've planned it in a good way.

1874
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 2: So I'm curious to better understand when you will hunt

1875
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 2: someplace again, because like, imagine I'm not hunting October twenty first,

1876
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 2: and I'm hunting a spot like you've described. Let's say

1877
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,839
Speaker 2: I do see some doze and I see some young bucks,

1878
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 2: but I don't see the buck theme after and conditions

1879
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 2: are consistent in the next couple of days, and I

1880
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 2: can sneak out of there and I feel like I

1881
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 2: got out. The question is like, Okay, do I try

1882
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 2: somewhere brand new or do I just stick it out

1883
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 2: here for another day? Because like he didn't come today,

1884
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 2: but he very well could come tomorrow. Like, how when

1885
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 2: do you ever stick it out in a spot for

1886
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 2: more than that one day, And how do you think

1887
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 2: about that?

1888
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's there. Again, you're just weigh in

1889
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 3: your odds. In a lot of times, it's dependent on

1890
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 3: the wind. If the wind stays the same, maybe you're

1891
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 3: limited to just a couple of options, you know. And

1892
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 3: so I like to bounce around to keep areas fresh.

1893
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 3: Even though we have the great access and all that.

1894
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 3: Maybe you could hunt it five days in a row

1895
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 3: without burning it out, But you know, that's the biggest

1896
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 3: concern is you know, maybe you do get dose to

1897
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 3: get down window specific spot or whatever. You know, So

1898
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 3: if you can bounce around and keep them fresh, that's

1899
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 3: ideal to me. But like in this case, you said,

1900
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 3: you know, I hunted to two days in a row

1901
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 3: just because I thought the odds were so good that

1902
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,639
Speaker 3: he'd step out again. And so there are times where

1903
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 3: you're just weigh in the odds that's the best place

1904
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 3: to be. And then so I'm just going to go

1905
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 3: hunt it again.

1906
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I heard you say, and I'm going to get

1907
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 2: the exact wording wrong, so you're gonna have to correct

1908
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 2: me in the exact wording. But you've said something like

1909
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 2: all these these old bucks they put on their pants

1910
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 2: all the same way or something like that. Before I

1911
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 2: say anymore, can you tell me the right way? What's

1912
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:53,679
Speaker 2: the saying exactly?

1913
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 3: They put on their fur one leg at a time

1914
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 3: like all the other six year old bucks.

1915
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. So why do you say that? Like,

1916
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 2: what do you mean by that? What's the message? Like

1917
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 2: you're trying to remind yourself of when you say that?

1918
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: And then secondly, how did that help you when it

1919
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 2: came to hunting this lockness buck?

1920
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, I guess what I mean by that

1921
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 3: is they probably don't behave any different than a different

1922
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,480
Speaker 3: six year old buck. We know, we get so intimidated

1923
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 3: because a deer has two hundred inch or bigger antlers.

1924
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:31,759
Speaker 3: You know that we're scared to death to do anything.

1925
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 3: But another six and a half year old buck that's

1926
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty inches might act the same way.

1927
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 3: You know, we all know. Yeah, you're not as intimidated

1928
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 3: and you can kill him. But when it comes to

1929
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 3: this great big buck, can you kill him? You know,

1930
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 3: and you feel all the pressure, you're more nervous, and

1931
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 3: rightfully so, because it's such a rare thing. But you know,

1932
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 3: I think that that thinking just lets you know that

1933
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 3: he's still just a six year old buck. There's nothing

1934
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 3: special about the way he thinks. Even though you know

1935
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 3: a lot of bucks are individuals, they might do things

1936
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 3: different than others, but as a general to put them

1937
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 3: in a general class, you know, they're basically all six

1938
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 3: year old bucks. And I think that helped just keep

1939
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 3: me calm in the moment too. It's like, you know,

1940
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 3: he's just a normal deer. You know, I can hit

1941
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,560
Speaker 3: him just like I hit Wide nine and all these others.

1942
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I understand you did you do a lot

1943
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 2: of work to make sure you can handle moments like that.

1944
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 2: Can you describe some of the things that you did

1945
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 2: this year or in past years to make sure that

1946
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 2: your moment of truth ability is as high as possible?

1947
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 2: Because a lot of people shoot in their backyard a bunch.

1948
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 2: But is that enough? What else do you do?

1949
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,799
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't think it's enough. Of course, you can't

1950
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 3: overestimate experience being there, you know, time and time again

1951
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 3: obviously helps you a lot. But there's things I think

1952
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 3: you can do to prepare for that, And it's what

1953
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 3: I call pressure practice. You try to put yourself under

1954
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 3: the most pressure you can. Granted you can't always have

1955
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 3: a two hundred inch deer in front of you that

1956
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 3: kind of pressure, but you know, shooting a lot of

1957
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 3: three d's, I would go to the ASA shoots and

1958
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 3: you know that's I love to come in better than

1959
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 3: I did the previous time. So it's pressure to me

1960
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 3: because you know, I want to score the best possible.

1961
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 3: I'd like to win. I mean, I'm competitive guy. You know,

1962
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 3: I played sports and all that, So just the most

1963
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 3: pressure possible. I remember shooting the course out here and

1964
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 3: had devon film and I said, Devin, I just I

1965
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 3: want you to come up and try to create the

1966
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 3: most pressure possible. You get right in my face with

1967
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 3: the camera. I know everybody's watching me. You can't act

1968
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 3: like you know, well, I don't know if this is

1969
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 3: getting filmed or whatever. You know, you're right in your

1970
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:35,839
Speaker 3: eyeball and so well, it's just a little bit more pressure.

1971
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of times that's the difference

1972
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 3: between freaking out when he comes out and saying, heah,

1973
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 3: I've been here a hundred times and it's just another shot.

1974
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1975
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 4: It astounded me with how long the encounter was usually

1976
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 4: you always hear people say it's easier to hold that

1977
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 4: cool and he pops out kill him. Yeah, that dude

1978
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 4: was out front of you for how long?

1979
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 3: It's about half an hour.

1980
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 2: There's no way I would have been able to keep

1981
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 2: that What was going through your mind during that half hour?

1982
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 3: On Oh just I was just excited to be there, really.

1983
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 3: I mean, like we talked about it, been forty years

1984
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 3: into making, just being a diehard, you know, bow hunter,

1985
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 3: just fall in love with deer hunting and dreaming of

1986
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 3: this time, and there he stands right in front of me,

1987
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 3: and I'm glassing him, smiling and just just happy to

1988
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 3: be there. You know, it just feels so so fortunate.

1989
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 2: Really in that moment, did it any time you have

1990
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,759
Speaker 2: some self talk where you had to say, don't screw

1991
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 2: this up owen or anything like that, or relocked in

1992
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 2: confident you were in it?

1993
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 3: I was super confident, and I know I said on

1994
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 3: another podcast, I didn't want that to come across arrogant,

1995
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 3: you know, like, yeah, you know, I'm the best shot

1996
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 3: in the world, whatever. I don't feel like that. But

1997
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 3: you know, you know, when you put so much work

1998
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 3: into it, you have a certain level of confidence and

1999
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 3: that's how I felt. I kept kept thinking like, if

2000
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 3: he gives me an opportunity, I don't think he's getting

2001
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:01,680
Speaker 3: out of here. Is how I felt about it. You know, soul, Yeah,

2002
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 3: anything can go wrong, see, I mean, you never know,

2003
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 3: But of course I think you always have a little

2004
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 3: bit of doubt creeps in the back of your mind, right,

2005
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 3: I really hope something doesn't go wrong here, I mean,

2006
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 3: because anything can happen.

2007
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:12,839
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2008
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, how many times have you had like the field

2009
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 2: filling up just perfect, and you know the buck you're

2010
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 2: after is gonna come out, and then that coyote comes

2011
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 2: running out or something.

2012
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 3: Right, exactly right, or that one dough starts out.

2013
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, there's that one dough usually, so you got them,

2014
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:33,600
Speaker 2: you got the buck. I'll save any more details for

2015
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 2: the episode that that I think will be out on

2016
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 2: YouTube by the time this podcast airs.

2017
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 4: Right, Josh, Yes, on Monday.

2018
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 2: So if anyone hasn't seen the video yet, you absolutely

2019
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 2: should go to the Midwest White Tail YouTube channel and

2020
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 2: check that out. But tell me this, Owen, you've had

2021
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 2: a little bit of time now to look back on

2022
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 2: it and kind of marinate in this whole experience. What's

2023
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 2: the greatest lesson you learned from this buck in this hunt.

2024
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 3: Man, I don't know. I might have to give that

2025
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 3: some thought. Really, I don't know that I have a

2026
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 3: quick answer for that. I mean, i'd say one that

2027
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 3: might throw you off a little bit is how much

2028
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 3: I appreciate people and friends now. So it's a little

2029
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 3: off topic from the deer, but it just it's been

2030
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 3: so awesome having all the people reach out and having

2031
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 3: the friends with me on the recovery, you know, losing

2032
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:25,640
Speaker 3: my parents a couple of years back. Is just it

2033
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:27,680
Speaker 3: changed me in a way that it just made me

2034
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 3: appreciate people more. And I think that's been the big

2035
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 3: takeaway this whole thing for me is just I've appreciated

2036
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,719
Speaker 3: people in the whole thing. Yeah.

2037
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great reminder and a great reminder put

2038
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 2: things in perspective too. As much as these big deer

2039
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 2: get us excited and obsessed, there are bigger things in

2040
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 2: the world that matter a whole lot, those relationships being

2041
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 2: right there at the top.

2042
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2043
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 2: All right, So with that said, the though, and I

2044
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,599
Speaker 2: want to bring us back to deer though with one

2045
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 2: last question, which I think will tie a bow on

2046
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 2: all this really nicely I think what this conversation I

2047
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 2: think has done for me is giving me a lot

2048
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 2: of good ideas to think about when you're chasing that

2049
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 2: one special deer, and how your whole history as a

2050
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 2: hunter has led you to be in a position where

2051
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,719
Speaker 2: all the work over the decades, and all the work

2052
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 2: over the last six years in this property, and all

2053
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 2: the work this year to get prepared for this single deer,

2054
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 2: it all culminated to this moment. I imagine there's a

2055
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 2: lot of folks listening who have their own version of

2056
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 2: that story. The specifics are different, but they've got their

2057
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 2: own version. They've got their own lockness. You know, my

2058
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 2: lockness is one hundred and forty inch ten year old

2059
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 2: ten pointer. Someone else's lockness might be one hundred and

2060
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 2: seventy inch twelve pointer. And there might be someone else

2061
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 2: listening who their lockedness is one hundred and ten inch

2062
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 2: three year old to be their biggest buck ever, and

2063
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,720
Speaker 2: they are so excited to get after that deer to

2064
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,679
Speaker 2: someone who's after that one special buck for themselves this year,

2065
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 2: what would be the three pieces of advice or the

2066
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 2: three rules you could write down if you guys were

2067
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 2: sitting at the dinner table together talking to this person,

2068
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 2: and you had a napkin in front of you, and

2069
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 2: you could write three things on that napkin and hand

2070
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 2: it to him and say, hey, just do not forget

2071
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 2: these three things. What would those three things be.

2072
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 3: Well, I know what one of them would be for sure,

2073
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 3: and I know Josh and I we've talked about this before.

2074
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 3: But it's definitely attention to detail. If you can be

2075
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 3: meticulous and pay attention to everything, I think you're way

2076
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 3: ahead of the game with any buck, really, and it's

2077
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,520
Speaker 3: especially the buck of a lifetime. I think that resonates

2078
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 3: with me. The other thing, like we just talked about,

2079
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 3: is he puts on his for one leg at a time,

2080
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 3: like every six year old buck, you know. Just you

2081
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 3: got to think about him like another deer. Even though

2082
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 3: he's your buck of a lifetime and maybe you'll never

2083
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 3: top it or whatever, he's still killable like other deers.

2084
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 3: So I mean, you hunt him like you would another

2085
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 3: six year old buck, you know. And then the other

2086
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 3: thing maybe is just the determination and the grit, because

2087
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 3: I've been in that situation a lot of times before.

2088
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 3: You're hunting a great, big buck fuck and he's not cooperating.

2089
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 3: And just keep going every day out there, just keep

2090
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 3: after him and don't give up on it would be

2091
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 3: my other words of.

2092
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 2: Advice, wise words, wise words. I am so happy for you, Owen,

2093
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 2: that this hunt came together for you, and I'm appreciative

2094
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 2: that you were willing to talk about it here with

2095
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,679
Speaker 2: me and the folks listening and to kind of humor

2096
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 2: me with all my crazy questions about it. I've definitely

2097
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 2: enjoyed it.

2098
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 3: Humbled by it, man, I sure appreciate it. And Josh,

2099
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 3: thank you to be hearing that.

2100
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that's a perfect segue to you, Josh,

2101
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 2: can you give folks the rundown of where he is?

2102
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 2: Said at once? But where can folks see the film

2103
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 2: the video about this hunt? And where are all the

2104
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 2: many other places and things that folks can be looking

2105
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 2: for from Midwest White Tail?

2106
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, this particular episode will come out on Monday.

2107
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 4: What would that be for the sixteenth? That can be

2108
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 4: found on the middlest White Tell YouTube channel. That'll also

2109
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:11,719
Speaker 4: be available on Carbon TV, Waypoint TV, so pretty much

2110
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 4: different places you can stream Real Tree three sixty five.

2111
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,679
Speaker 4: But another thing to know would be, you know, Owen's

2112
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 4: got another tag and my favorite thing personally to fall

2113
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 4: along with is his daily blog. You can find that

2114
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 4: on the Middlest White Till Daily channel. That's where you're

2115
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 4: a little bit more of a goofball and.

2116
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he's always so serious on camera, you know,

2117
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 5: and so humble but man like one thing on the

2118
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 5: Napkin discussion that I think you emulate more than most

2119
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 5: folks that I've got the chance to work with.

2120
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 4: Youually have so much fun doing it. Yeah, I mean

2121
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 4: like that. There's very few times that, no matter the circumstance,

2122
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:48,679
Speaker 4: I haven't seen you just intrinsically enjoy doing it, being

2123
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:49,920
Speaker 4: out there hunting.

2124
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:52,600
Speaker 3: Truly love being out there. Yeah, there's no way to

2125
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 3: hide it.

2126
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 4: And so yeah, I've never letched. I've never seen you

2127
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 4: let adversity or something going wrong getting the way of that.

2128
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,639
Speaker 4: But that daily chain is a great place to follow

2129
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 4: along if you want to number one, see what he's

2130
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 4: doing every day. But number two, you're pretty engaging with

2131
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 4: questions there, and I think that that's very very cool

2132
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:12,639
Speaker 4: that you take the time to respond to different folks.

2133
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 4: And obviously Milviles Whitel website and we're trying to do

2134
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 4: a good job on the social channels bringing things a

2135
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:23,360
Speaker 4: little bit more real time or being more accessible. So

2136
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 4: those are the spots I really appreciate you guys, love

2137
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 4: me be here. I'm in it. I didn't really bring

2138
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 4: much to the table. I mean, I just got to

2139
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 4: sit and listen to two guys that got a lot

2140
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 4: of respect for and you know, it's it's pretty cool

2141
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 4: to see two different paths, both coming from Michigan living

2142
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:43,880
Speaker 4: the dream you set out to live. I mean, obviously

2143
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 4: you're a little bit further into the journey, but you

2144
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 4: know it, this is an inspiring one. If somebody wanted

2145
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 4: to put that scope on for sure.

2146
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:54,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, well thanks for that, Josh, and thank you Owen.

2147
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 2: I'm excited to watch the video when it comes out.

2148
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 2: And sure it's only a matter of time till tag

2149
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 2: number two gets filled on. I would not want to

2150
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:05,719
Speaker 2: be a deer on any of the farms that you hunt,

2151
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 2: that's for sure.

2152
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 3: That's so.

2153
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 2: All right, and that's gonna do it. Thank you for

2154
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 2: joining me. Hope you enjoyed this podcast. I hope you've

2155
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 2: been out there enjoying this great cool weather that at

2156
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 2: least a lot of us across the country have been

2157
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,759
Speaker 2: having this fall so far, it's looking good heading into

2158
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 2: the pre rut here the end of October. Get out there,

2159
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 2: hunt hard. The rut is just ahead of us, so

2160
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 2: get ready for it. That best time of year is

2161
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:35,599
Speaker 2: almost here. Until then, stay wired to hunt