1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the Disney movie Jump In twelve years 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: old and I think, if I'm not mistaken, that was 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: your first kiss. 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 2: Yes, I was twelve and Corbyn was seventeen. 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: You know, oh man, he and be in jail. Now 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: he going to jail. 7 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: I experienced the same thing, you know, in another movie 8 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: that I did, where the guy was I think he was. 9 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 2: I was seventeen and he was like twenty seven. 10 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: You're not a more hunh. 11 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: That's what Michelle said. 12 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: I don't know. 13 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 4: All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifics hustle, petty Price, 14 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 4: want to slicet to bro to dis to swap all 15 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 4: my life, grinding all my life? 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, all my life, grinding all. 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 4: My life, sacrifice hustle, petty Price, want a slice, got 18 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 4: to bro the dis to swatch all my life. I 19 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 4: grinding all my life. 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay. I 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: am your whole shit sharp. I'm also the propride of 22 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: Plug Shashay. The lady that's stopping by for conversation on 23 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: the drink today really needs no introduction, but I'm gonna 24 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: give her one, and it's well deserved. She was a 25 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: bona fide superstar before she could even obtain the driver's permit. 26 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: She's been a leading lady since she was eleven years old. 27 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: She's one of Time Magazine's most influential people in the world. 28 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: She's the youngest actress to receive a SAG Award for 29 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: a nomination and a lead role. She's the youngest talk 30 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: show host in television history. She's the first black woman 31 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: to start in her own show on Nickelodeon. She's the 32 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: first black and the youngest to play Cinderella on Broadway. 33 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: She's the first black and she went an Outstanding Host 34 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: for a Game Show at the Emmys. The first black 35 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: woman to host the MTV Video Music Awards. A passionate 36 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: voice for the millennial generation. A multi decade entertainer in 37 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: the industry, A veteran multi talented actors, singer, songwriter, producer, director, 38 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: host Dance the TV Personality Network executive boys author, oh 39 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: My God Yeah podcast, the entrepreneur. She's a boss. She's 40 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: an all around entertainer. She's a pop icon female, a trailblazer, trendsetter, 41 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: an Emmy and an NAACP Image Award winner. She has 42 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: over one hundred credits to her credit check this out. 43 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: She's always booked, she's always busy, and of all the 44 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: things that I mentioned, the thing that she's most proud 45 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: of is that she's a mom. The one, the only, 46 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: the incomparable. Kiki Palmer, Oh my gosh, stop them. 47 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: Was so lovely. Thank you, Oh my gosh, thank you 48 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: for having me on the show. I love the show. 49 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate you. 50 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: I'm excited to be here. 51 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: And people say, well, Shanna, you love to give people 52 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: the flowers. I don't give people what they deserve. I 53 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: give people what they earn, and everything that I read, 54 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: you've earned that. So congratulations. 55 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: I really received that. Thank you so much. 56 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: So we're gonna toast the water, okay to all the 57 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: things that you're accomplishing. Will continue to complish it. Thank 58 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: you for coming on. 59 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: Thank you. 60 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: Ah hell, this has been along. We met at the 61 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: Webbs for the first time, and I think it was 62 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: in April yep. Yeah, and we tried to like, I 63 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: would love to have you on the show. She's like, 64 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come. I would love club and here we are. 65 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: So I really appreciate it. Kiki. I understand that you're 66 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 1: very busy, so I really appreciate your time. 67 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: That's my pleasure. 68 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: Let's get it right into it. Grew up in Robins. 69 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: I think you were born in Robin's Illinois d Waders 70 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: from Robin's US. 71 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: Yes. 72 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: How much do you remember about your childhood and dreaming 73 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: of this, Kiki? 74 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: So I remember a tight knit community. We was always 75 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 2: going to church every Sunday, you know what I mean. 76 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: My dad had become ordained, became a deacon by the 77 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 2: time I was like, I think eight years old. I 78 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: would hear my parents talk often about how they fell 79 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,559 Speaker 2: in love. They did a speech tournament that took them Louisiana. 80 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: That's when they first had Popeye's and then after that 81 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: they kind of, you know, slowly but surely, the dreams 82 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: were deferred. They did theater at the Black Ensemble Theater 83 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: of Jackie Taylor shout outs to her, which is still 84 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: going on the Black Ensemble Theater. But it just wasn't 85 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: something that they could ultimately maintain, you know. My dad 86 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: started working in fact, in a factory job. My mother 87 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: was a substitute teacher for mentally challenged children. And then 88 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: we would just hear of these stories and I would 89 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: always think to myself that would be cool to be 90 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: a part of that thing that it seemed to have 91 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: made them so happy, right. 92 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: Two parent household obviously, And if I'm not mistaken, your 93 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: parents you mentioned in theater, but they kind of gave 94 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: up their dreams and passion to help you pursue yours 95 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: after becoming a mom, and you know, the sacrifices that 96 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: you have to make. Do you understand? Are you more 97 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: appreciative now knowing what your parents did in order for 98 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: you to become who you became. 99 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 2: I'm blown away by more parents and what they were 100 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: able to do. And I talk about this a lot 101 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: in my book in terms of you know, we talk 102 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: about like the sacrifices that parents make, but I don't 103 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: think we often talk about the personal sacrifices that they 104 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: make in their personal discomfort. Right, there's discomfort that we 105 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: live in, you know, self loathing or you know, not 106 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: believing in ourselves, anxiety, depression, whatever you may have it. 107 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: And those are the biggest things that I think about 108 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: that my parents gave up for me to do what 109 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: I want to do. And I remember this particular story 110 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 2: where my mom, you know, we had to go do 111 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: a movie I did. I got a role in a 112 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: way makes Mason movie called The wool Cap. It was 113 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: like my first big thing. It was in Montreal, Canada, 114 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: and my mom told me later on, she said, I 115 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 2: was so scared to go out there. I had you know, 116 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: I met your father when I was nineteen. We were together, 117 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: you know, every ever since then. So to leave and 118 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: be separated from him and go with you to another country, 119 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: especially one as different as Montreal, quarbet, you know that's 120 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: French speaking totally. She said, I was so scared. But 121 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 2: when I looked at you and I knew that you 122 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: weren't afraid to do it, that made me say, well, 123 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 2: I gotta let this go. And so it's the same 124 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: for me. I found so much strength and things that 125 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 2: I never thought that I could overcome, because hey, I 126 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: got to show up on my son. And so I 127 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: think that is the beautiful superpower of. 128 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: Parenthood, being a parent and seeing how it is because 129 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: a lot of kids now grew up in a single 130 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: family household, a single parent house. Excuse me, but the 131 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: knowing that you had your mom and your dad there, 132 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: what was that experience like that was all you because 133 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: that's all you knew. But was it like that and 134 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: Robbins with the most households had double parents. 135 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. And it's funny because me and my 136 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: sister were kind of annoyed at that because our parents. 137 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: We weren't. 138 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: Because everybody else would be like, I'm going to my 139 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: dad's this weekend, I'm going to my mom's and I 140 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 2: got two birthday parties. We were like, damn, we only 141 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: got my mom and Daddy always stick together. They always 142 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: on the right page. You know. It was annoying to 143 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 2: us a little bit as kids, but it definitely is 144 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: something that I grew up saying, you know, realizing after 145 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 2: the fact that that was important, just seeing them stick together. 146 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if it was just the 147 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 2: fact that they were together, or if it was the 148 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: fact that they just agreed and were together. Like they 149 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: maybe argued in the back, but when they showed up 150 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 2: in front of us, they were united front. 151 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: And I would try. 152 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 2: Against us, and I would try to be like, well 153 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: dad said, or well Mom, actually, why she's so many 154 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: to you? They would never break ever, ever, ever, And 155 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: so that I really admire and it showed me what 156 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: it was like, you know, to have real unity. 157 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: Did you ever think about how different your life would 158 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: have been had you not had the pay. 159 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: If my parents didn't uproot their lives and move, you know, 160 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: drive four days and three nights to California to help 161 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: me to pursue my dreams. Yeah, I don't know. But 162 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: and the funny thing about it is like I don't 163 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: know many parents that would do that. That was just 164 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: their particular path, right. And I think even if we 165 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: take the dramatics out of that exact trip and this 166 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: exact thing to be keep armor my parents, ultimately what 167 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: they what they did, would showed me that I had 168 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: a choice, right, And I would like to believe that 169 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: even if I didn't become an entertainer, if I just 170 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: stayed in Chicago, we stayed in Illinois, whatever we did, 171 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: they were gonna show me in multiple ways that I 172 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: had options because that was something that they didn't have. 173 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: And I think that's also something that I learned and 174 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: realized because there was a time period when I was 175 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: a teenager and I was being exposed to so much 176 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: that they allowed me to be exposed to that separated 177 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: us for a minute, and I kind of did that 178 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: thing that you do when you're young younger. My parents 179 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: just don't get it. They just don't understand. But I 180 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: am whom my parents would have been had they had 181 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: the opportunities that they gave me. 182 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: How much are you like your parents? 183 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: I'm just like my parents, I think in every way. 184 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: So my dad, he is super funny, likes to make 185 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: jokes on himself, always like to be the life of 186 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: the party, encouraging people. 187 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 4: You know. 188 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: I think I love to be a service in that way. 189 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: That's where my sense of humor comes from. I want 190 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: to make people feel good, especially in these times. I've 191 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: leaned more in my humor in terms of the arts, 192 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: because I feel like that's what we need to laugh. 193 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: My mom is very like disciplined. She's like, this is 194 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: what you got to do. She's committed to what she 195 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: said she's gonna do. She's going to finish it the 196 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 2: whole way through. Also very dramatic. Honey, I will give 197 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: you a scene whether I'm on stage or on stage, 198 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: you know. So, I feel like I'm a lot like them. 199 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm actually that different from them. 200 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: I feel like I really am like them, just in 201 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: another you know, age group, you know genre. 202 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: You mentioned that. If I'm not mistaken you film Barbershop, 203 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: you were still you felt you came to La after 204 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: you had done the barber that's right, that's right. Was 205 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: that the moment that your pay realized, like, Okay, in 206 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: order for her to reach her ultimate We're gonna have 207 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: to uproot this family. We're gonna have to. 208 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: Go yes, And they mentioned that they would say that, 209 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: I mean, after I did barber Shop. I think I 210 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: also had did American Juniors, which was like Fremantle's version 211 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: of American Idol for kids, right, and I got my 212 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,359 Speaker 2: golden ticket and I actually got to go to California. 213 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: That was the first time we visited California. And my mom, 214 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: I think she saw me going. You know, it's so funny. 215 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: I'm not an athlete, right, but when I think about 216 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: the NFL and I think about sports, it's very similar 217 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: to being a child entertainer. There's a system. You got 218 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: to show up. You're working for corporation. NFL is a corporation. 219 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: You got to show up. You gotta do this. And 220 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: I think my mom saw when I was in American Juniors, 221 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: when they put me through all the different things, singing, dancing, performing, 222 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: she saw that I was like ready, and I was 223 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: ready to take it seriously, and so that's what made 224 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: them say, well, if we wanted to have more opportunities, 225 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: California may be where we need to go. And so 226 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: it took some time, you know, but eventually they they 227 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: agreed and we went Your. 228 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: Mom's your Yes, she's that's the only manager you've ever had. 229 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: Correct, No, I've had actually had multiple different managers, but 230 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: she's always stayed. I would like to think of it 231 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: as you know, my mom, you know, was a CMO. 232 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: Now I'm the CMO, you know what I mean. But 233 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: she started the Kiki Palmer brand and we've worked with 234 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: other people very successfully, most successfully now my current managers, 235 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: who are are awesome. 236 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question. Going on these auditions, 237 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: obviously your mom is going on you with all these auditions, 238 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: were there ever a situation where you were like nervous 239 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: or you didn't feel like you gave your best effort 240 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: and your mom pulled your aside to Kiki, come on 241 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: that you better do this. 242 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: Yes, it was an audition for are we there yet? 243 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: Okay? 244 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I wanted to be in that movie too bad. 245 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, this is ice killed. I just 246 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: did the barbershop, like I got to get already there yet, 247 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: and I knew when I did the audition it just 248 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: wasn't right. Something wasn't right about it. It just I 249 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 2: knew it didn't go well, and I was really sad. 250 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 2: I remember having a conversation with my mom, and I 251 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: don't know if it was right after the audition or 252 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: if it was some time after that we had spoke 253 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: about that, and she just said, you weren't ready. And 254 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: that's something that my mom has always told me, is 255 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: that timing is everything. You just weren't ready and that's okay. 256 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: You know. 257 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: It's kind of like what we say today, like let 258 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: me cook. I had to keep cooking, you know what 259 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: I mean, Like I need, you know, And I think 260 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: that's the things, like you have so many good experiences 261 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: up until you know, I was getting I got barbershop too, 262 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: and then I think I got like a little you know, 263 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: a pictured thing, you know, for Scholastic or whatever, and 264 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: I was booking stuff and I was feeling good. But 265 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: there are always those things that happened to let you know, 266 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: like there's still other levels you got to grow through 267 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: and learn from it. And in order to do that, 268 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: you actually got to lose some right to win some 269 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 2: and yeah, that's what I remember. That all red there yet. 270 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: But then it's funny because I ended up doing a 271 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: few years later, I ended up doing the long shots, 272 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: and it's a funny story with the long Shots that 273 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: I did with Ice q Is. Originally they gave me 274 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: the part right out and then Read Durst became the 275 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: director and all of a sudden they gave us a call. 276 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 2: We've been having working on this movie for a year. 277 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: They were talking about this movie with me and and 278 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: he was like I don't want her, and I was like, dang, 279 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: that's crazy, Like how quickly they can just move you 280 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 2: off of a movie. So I was just like, yeah, 281 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: I was kind of down about it. And then like 282 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: maybe six months five months past, I said it's not 283 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: working out with the girl. We need Kiki, And I 284 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: was like, this is cool, crazy, but again it's one 285 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: of those moments where what's for you, it's for you. 286 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: And that's what I always love to think of that story, 287 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: because even the director couldn't get me off that damn movie. 288 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: And I probably can do better than you. You know, 289 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: the NFL. 290 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: Did you like when you because like you said, you 291 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: gotta take some l's in order to get the majority 292 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: of the winds. Did you ever become disillusioned? Did you ever? 293 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: But damn maybe this ain't for me? 294 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I definitely have. I remember after I did 295 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 2: True Jackson VP my TV show How's About seventeen eighteen, Like, 296 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: that's seventeen eighteen nineteen. It was really hard because you're 297 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: kind of too old for the kid roles, but then 298 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: you're also too young for the oh exactly. And I 299 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: remember having a conversation with my mom and I was 300 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: just like, man, this is this is tough. I don't 301 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: know how I'm going to transition this over, Like, I 302 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: don't know how I'm going to move past this. And 303 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: she said, well, you know, we can end this now. 304 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: You can take the money that you have. You can 305 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: go to college, study something that you feel you know, 306 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 2: excited about or you or you can push through this, right, 307 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 2: you know, you can push through this period and get 308 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: to the other side in your career. So it's really 309 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: the conversation of stay a career person, or go to 310 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: school and try to really start something new maybe or 311 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: take a pause. And I stuck with my career. I 312 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: think I found a lot of freedom in the digital era, 313 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 2: you know, producing my own content. You know, shout outs 314 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: to people like King Batch who really helped me in 315 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: that era as well, like learning how to use it 316 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: to my benefit tell my stories. But it was a 317 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: really tough period and I just what it is is 318 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 2: you just don't know what to do. You don't know 319 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: where to go, what to turn, because you're kind of 320 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: creating your own blueprint. And I was desperately not trying 321 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: to be stuck in the same traditional system that really 322 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: didn't always have a place for me. 323 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: But once you got into the movie, the television and 324 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: things like that, was there ever really a thought of 325 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: being anything else? I know, your mom said, well, babe, 326 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: you can stop here and transition and go and do 327 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: a of the collegiate thing and be a career person, 328 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: or you can continue on. But it would be hard 329 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: for me to believe that, because like, once I started 330 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: playing football, football was it. It wasn't nothing necessarily even 331 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: in of my thought. So did it even enter your 332 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: thought that you could be something else other than what 333 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: you were to track you on? 334 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: No? I didn't. But you know it's so funny, is 335 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: at the bottom of it there is always something that 336 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: is bigger than what it is on the surface. Like 337 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: I love entertainment, but really I feel like I'm a 338 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: social scientist. I like people. I'm curious of people. I 339 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: like to tell stories of humanity. I feel like we 340 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: are so alone here and I like to talk about 341 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: the fact that we never want to talk about it, 342 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: even though that's the one thing we could relate on 343 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: and create a community out of. And so as I 344 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: you know, you have to have enough experiences to have 345 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: the clarity around. So that's why I love this. You know, 346 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: I'm sure you have the same thing, Like you probably 347 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: don't know what it is, but like there's probably a 348 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: bigger reason why you love football that speaks to all 349 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: the other things you do. 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How was it What was it like 391 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: for you in school? 392 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: So, you know, at first, So in my school experience, 393 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: I was from what kindergarten, preschool, kindergarten up until maybe 394 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: like the fourth or fifth grade. First I went to 395 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 2: private school and that was kind of tough, you know, 396 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: because Illinois, a lot of people don't know, it is 397 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 2: quite segregated, you know. And I grew up in a town. 398 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: My town, Robbins, was like all black town. Like I mean, 399 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: I went to Catholic church, and it took me years 400 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: to realize that all Catholic churches wasn't full of only 401 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 2: black folks, know what I mean. If you went to 402 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: my church, were probably have thought we were Baptists, right, 403 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 2: And so I didn't have that initial experience of what 404 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: it was like to you know, kind of have that 405 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: weirdness of racial discourse. And so it was weird for 406 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 2: me a little bit. In that private school. That was 407 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 2: a tough thing to be the only black kid in 408 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,239 Speaker 2: my class. So I had a different experience there than 409 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: I had when I went to public school, which was 410 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: a little bit more diverse. Around the time I was 411 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: about seven, and there I felt like I was voted 412 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: for president, you know what I'm saying. I felt like 413 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: I felt like, you know what I mean, you know, 414 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 2: felt a little bit more like I had an opportunity 415 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 2: to kind of be myself. And I was embraced, yes, 416 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: but it was short lived because I mean I started 417 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 2: acting at nine, and then we moved to California when 418 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: I was ten, and at that point I just was homeschooled. 419 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: So I didn't have any real school experience, although I 420 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: will say, as we all know, school, high school, the 421 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 2: middle school, all of those dynamics play out even if 422 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: you ain't in school, so I experienced them in other ways. 423 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: That's interesting because you're like you were homeschool since you 424 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: were probably eleven twelve, that's right, eleven to twelve being homeschool. 425 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: Do you ever miss out like man, I would it 426 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: would have liked to be in first period and oh 427 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: my god, things like that. Do you ever ever think 428 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: about what what it could have been. You're still who 429 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: you are, but still have the experience of going to school. 430 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 2: No, I thought about it all the time. I so 431 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 2: desperately wanted to know what it was like to like 432 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 2: have a fight in the hallway and I'll be like, 433 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: they ring the bell and we go. And I think 434 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: that's also why I love acting, because it allowed me 435 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: to be things that I couldn't be, or that I 436 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: wished I was, or that I hadn't had the experience 437 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: of being. But yes, as a kid, that's I wanted 438 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: nothing more than to know what it was like to 439 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: have experiences outside of being famous, you know what I mean. 440 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 2: I think that fame thing even made it more difficult 441 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: for me to have authentic experiences because well, once you've 442 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: perceived me, it's hard for me to introduce you to 443 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 2: something new. And so that was really tough, especially when 444 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: I'm trying to engage with my community that now sees 445 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 2: me as an outsider at times because I'm, you know, 446 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 2: seen in this privilege, right. 447 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: But when you, like you said, you introduced them. But 448 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: someone's perception of you might not be who you are. 449 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: But how do you change that perception of them of you? 450 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: How do you get them to change that perception of 451 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: you to them? Because that's what I mean. You see 452 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: this all you see me as as this actress and 453 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: this and this entertainer. But I'm more fascinating than that. 454 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. For me, I try to focus 455 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 2: less on changing their mind and more so on being 456 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 2: objective about how I want to get my message across. 457 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 2: My criticism is to self. My criticism isn't too trying 458 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: to control or change how other people perceive me, But 459 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: it's about do I feel like I got that point across? 460 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: People feel it or not, that's that's up to them 461 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 2: how they're going to perceive that. But do I feel 462 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: that I've done my best, and how I want to 463 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: show up for myself? Am I speaking and using language 464 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: that I feel like represents me to the fullest. If 465 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: I'm doing that and I feel good about that, that's 466 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 2: really all I can go by, because you really can't 467 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: control other people's perception of you, but you do have 468 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: the autonomy to show up how you want to be perceived. 469 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: Gotcha, you shot a Disney pilot pilot that didn't get 470 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: picked up? 471 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 2: Kick and Jamal? 472 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: Did you like man oh man? Who? And you? Because 473 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: I'm thinking talking to you listening, You're a very confident person. 474 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: You believe in Kiki okay, but when that didn't get 475 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: picked up? Do what did that do to you? Mentally? 476 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: You're like, damn, I just knew this was gonna be 477 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: this is gonna be my big, big break. 478 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 2: What did I think? I want to go back to 479 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: that moment and really tell you what I thought. I 480 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: think I was down, and I think I was surprised because, 481 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: like you said, I've always been quite confident. But it's 482 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 2: weird because I've always had this relationship with myself where 483 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: there's a voice inside my head that would say, well, hey, 484 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: they I don't know what that is. I wish I 485 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: could when that could describe what that is. But like 486 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: when things didn't go my way, and maybe it was 487 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 2: the encouragement of my parents, or maybe it's a relationship 488 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: that I had with self growing up. You know, when 489 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 2: you pray as a kid and stuff that's fostering also 490 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 2: the personal conversation with yourself inside. So I don't know 491 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 2: if I just was comfortable with that and just decided 492 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: to have a positive look on things. But when I 493 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 2: was younger, a lot of times before I hit a 494 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 2: place where yeah, it was tough and it was hard 495 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 2: for me to tell myself something positive. Most of the time, 496 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 2: if a movie or a role or something else, I 497 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 2: would say, they've made a big mistake or wow, so 498 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: where am I going now? Because I know if this 499 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: isn't it, God has something else for me. I don't 500 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 2: know why that would be that way, but I just 501 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: would think, well, you're not going to take away gold 502 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: and give me silver. I do love silver. 503 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: Though. Then you get the role Medea's Family Reunion. Do 504 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: you remember auditioning for that? And how did that role 505 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: come about? 506 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny. I didn't audition for that 507 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: at all. I actually had did A Kiln to B 508 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 2: with Lionsgate, so we had already done a Qielyn to 509 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 2: Be and they were figuring out the distribution when that 510 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: movie was going to come out. In the midst of 511 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 2: them doing that, Tyler, they had did a big screening 512 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: for Keeling to Be a lions again. They were so 513 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 2: excited about this movie, so did a big screening and 514 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 2: one of the people that were in the screening was 515 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 2: Tyler Perry and he was doing with these Reunion and 516 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 2: randomly said he's doing with DCEM Reunion. You know, my family, 517 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: we were huge fans. I remember before I became an entertainer, 518 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 2: sitting up at my uncle Ronald house okay, on my 519 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: Auntie Lungs. Guy was watching the play. Okay, so I'm like, 520 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, Tyler has called us and they were like, 521 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 2: he wants you to come and do a table read. 522 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: So we did the table read. The next thing, you know, 523 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 2: I got the role. I'm in Atlanta shooting with Dias 524 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: frem Reunion. 525 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: Wow. 526 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: That was crazy. That was crazy. 527 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: Your big break though, was really a Key Leend to Be. 528 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: That was the movie that put Key Key Palmer. Okay, yeah, 529 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: she legit yeah, she legit. She she is, Yeah, the 530 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: kid that was doing the roles and all that. No, 531 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: she's a bona fide she she's someone that's going to 532 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: be wreckon, to be reckoned with, not only now but 533 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: moving forward. What was that role and how did you? 534 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 2: Like? 535 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 1: I mean, you played it? Oh my gosh, you did, 536 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: you did? You did the thing. 537 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: Thank you so much when I think about that movie now, 538 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: I mean my mom was so like I remember we 539 00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 2: were in the room whatever, and she was like, oh, yeah, 540 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: I got this new script. They want you audition if 541 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: I'm about to read it. It's called a Quila to 542 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: be sound like an animation. But so she I remember her. 543 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 2: It was My mom is so dramatic, Like I'm telling you, 544 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 2: she comes out of the room. You do this movie? 545 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: Wow? 546 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: I like, Mom plays like it's too much. It's sometimes 547 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: sharing it's too much, and she's like, I'm telling you, 548 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: we need to do a tape read of this as 549 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: a family. So she had us all doing I mean, 550 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 2: my dad was playing hob Vier, you know what I'm saying. 551 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 2: I only had to play a Quila. She was playing 552 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 2: the mama. My sister was playing doctor Lebry and we 553 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: all read it and at the end we all were like, oh, 554 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: I have to do this. Wow, we were all and 555 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 2: we just felt like it was I think it's everything 556 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: that we that we care about. It's about community, it's 557 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 2: about the beauty in our community, and it's about words 558 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 2: and language and has very spring thring, especially when you 559 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: think about a young black girl being able to express 560 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 2: herself through words and just the history of who we 561 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 2: are as if people, how words often were kept from us. 562 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: It has so many deep layers that I think we 563 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 2: don't even have to say, we just feel intrinsically. And 564 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: I just think about the scene where she says, I 565 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: don't need help from a truculent, supercilious guarden, a dictatorial, truculent, 566 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 2: supercilious gardeners like knowing that she was not only able 567 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 2: to express herselves with those words, but also embody what 568 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: they meant. It is so freeing, and then poker to 569 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: the fact that that was her final word and it 570 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: means beautiful, and it was the one word that she 571 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: was struggling when she did not know how to accept 572 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: herself in her community. But at the end, when she 573 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: realized that her community was love and they were beautiful 574 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 2: even in all of what they experienced as a grown 575 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 2: woman mother. Now I get why that movie was so impactful, 576 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 2: you know, and it is the gift that keeps giving. 577 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: You know how when you shot that movie, how long 578 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: afterwards did people forget that your name was Kiki and 579 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: call you a. 580 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 2: Literally? People still to this day you call me, come 581 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 2: up to me like they'll be like, stop popping that gum. 582 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: That still is the most popular thing that people do 583 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 2: when they see me. Literally. 584 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: You mentioned Tyler Perry and you've been in the Model 585 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: Family Reunion, and I've heard a lot of women says, 586 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: Tyler Perry has paid me more money than anybody else 587 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: in Hollywood. Hear Taraji say that. I heard a Megan 588 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: Good say that. I heard a few other women say 589 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: that when we talk about the pay disparage, not just 590 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: from men to women, but from white women, black women. 591 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: Even Viola Davis incomparable she got an egot me, she 592 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: got them all, has said that the pay that she 593 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: receives and no one is more accomplished in than she is. 594 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: Why do you think it's so hard for Hollywood to 595 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: accept a Taraji, t Key, Viola, any of them, Megan 596 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: Good and see them as see their counterpart. 597 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: Because they don't have to. I mean, it's a terrible thing, 598 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 2: but I think for me, the biggest thing that I 599 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: think about in those regards is like, how can we 600 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: come together and how can we do our own things? 601 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 2: How can we show up for each other more. You 602 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 2: know a lot of times we have these actors that 603 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 2: come out on the front line and they're talking about this, 604 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: and then no one goes to see the movie. That 605 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 2: don't help us. You know the comments, we need a 606 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 2: million if you really care about me not getting paid. 607 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, show up, watch the movie, 608 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: show through the numbers that there's an audience for this. 609 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: But it's one of those things where I feel like 610 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: I'm in a place in my life and I talk 611 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 2: about this in my book where it's like I cannot 612 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: change all these systems, and I'm also I don't want 613 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 2: to keep telling the people that are literally benefiting the 614 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: least to stand out there on the front lines and 615 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 2: lose jobs. I mean, I have so many friends and 616 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: people in this industry that are losing jobs fighting for 617 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: something that they aren't even directly benefiting from. That I 618 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: then just want to turn around and say, let's come together. 619 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 2: You know. I know that feels cliche, but like literally, 620 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: that's what it'll take, is to come together figure out 621 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: how to create a system that can continue to feed 622 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: itself within our community. And that's I mean, it's not 623 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 2: easy to do that. You know. One of the only 624 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 2: people that I think has ever done something like that 625 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 2: is Tyler Perry, and that's why I continue to give 626 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 2: him his props, because it's not easy to step away 627 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: from a corporation. He did the first few media movies 628 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: with Lionsgate and then to decide it to do them 629 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 2: on his own, and people said whatever they want to say, 630 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: or it's not this is not there, Okay, Well, he 631 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: was figuring out the numbers so that he could stand 632 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 2: on his own and that he could do it the 633 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 2: way that he feels it should be done. And I 634 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: just feel like that we should encourage each other to 635 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 2: do it, to try to do it that way, because 636 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: you're not gonna be able to change something as it stands, right, 637 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: but you can change yourself and how you work in it. 638 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: Right, I'm looking at the Disney movie Jump In twelve 639 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: years old, and I think, if I'm not mistaken, that 640 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: was your first kiss. 641 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: Yes, so that was. 642 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: That go with your parents. 643 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: So you know, it was actually a big thing for 644 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: all of us because I was twelve and Corborn was seventeen. 645 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: You know, ah, man, he and be in jail. Now 646 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: he's going to jail. 647 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 2: So that was very you know, weird, Yes, and he 648 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: was such a brother vibe to me. Even though Corporates 649 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: is adorable, it's so cute, we all love the hair, 650 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: it was like, that wasn't a relationship we had. And 651 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: so I remember I had had a call with my 652 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 2: agent and I was like, you know, you know, I 653 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 2: am I'm scared about this. This is weird. And she 654 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 2: was like, well, you know, making good had to kiss 655 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: Samuel Jackson and eaves vy you so and I was 656 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:53,239 Speaker 2: just like, huh, I should have start. Why would that 657 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 2: make what. 658 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to do with that? 659 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like she that was weird too, you know. 660 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: I mean, and I don't really know what to make 661 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 2: of that. You know, it's like, this is our craft, 662 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 2: this is our art. I think there's a weird thing 663 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 2: that happens with kid entertainers where we have to literally 664 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 2: dissociate so much. Yes, as an adulthood in the workplace 665 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 2: in ways that's not normal or common, right, and to 666 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 2: tell these stories and I don't really know what to 667 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 2: make of it. But what I would say is what 668 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: I've always said to my mom, is that I wish 669 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: that there was more therapy for kid entertainers on on set, 670 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, I wish there were 671 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 2: more people to help them process. And you know, of 672 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 2: course they have you know, what is it intimacy coaches 673 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: and they talk things through, and I'm sure that's the 674 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 2: experience of any of these kinds of situations, but it's 675 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 2: still it is hard to differentiate from is this my 676 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: real life experience or is this someone else? And yeah, 677 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: it's it's weird. It's just like a thing, you know 678 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 2: what I mean where you know, I experienced the same thing, 679 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: you know, in another movie that I did, where the 680 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 2: guy was I think he was. I was seventeen and 681 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 2: he was like twenty seven. 682 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: You like a molder hunk. 683 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 2: That's what Michelle. 684 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: Said, Come come. 685 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: Soon. 686 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: You've been waiting for that. You've been waiting for that 687 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: too soon? Oh my good. 688 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: They don't call you honky ynky for nothing. 689 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: Hair. 690 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: That is. 691 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: I did not expect, okay to scene you were seventeen, 692 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: he was twenty seven. Yeah, I did. 693 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 4: I did. 694 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: Go ahead, pour it up. 695 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: Can't I get a glass bad? Keep it up? Oh lord? 696 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: But yes, it's like the age differences and all that stuff. 697 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: It's a it's a you know, it's a thing. I 698 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 2: just remember, you know, I got off that call. I'm 699 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 2: thinking about a jump in and Corbyn was like talking 700 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: to me, holding my hand, being a sweet person, and 701 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 2: the kiss was like five seconds. It was that. But again, 702 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: just the art of being an entertainer and being a child. 703 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: It's a very difficult thing to process all the time 704 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: because you're dealing with really big adult things. And yeah, you. 705 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: Know, when did you realize that, Okay, this is the 706 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: job I'm acting. This is not truly what it is. 707 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: How soon were you able to delineate between the two. 708 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 2: Well, that took some time. That took some time. I 709 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: would like to say I didn't start. There would be 710 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: an element of method acting. I remember I was doing 711 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: joyful noise with Queen like Keifa, and she had seen 712 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: me and my mom were getting ready to do this 713 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 2: crying scene, and me and my mom would do this 714 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 2: thing where we were talking. We would have to pull 715 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 2: from I have to pull from, like my life or 716 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: thinking about dark things about my life, because I had 717 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 2: not had yet really enough experience to understand how to 718 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: draw a correlation between me and my character. And I 719 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 2: think that was really like a heavy way to go 720 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: about getting to the emotion because it would be impossible 721 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 2: to create delineating factors between my life and my characters. 722 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: But I think as time has gotten, you know more, 723 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: I've had more experiences in my life. I've been able 724 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 2: to recognize myself with my character without thinking that I 725 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: am my character, and I've been able to separate myself 726 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: in other ways, you know what I mean. Like I 727 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 2: think I moved away from California for a while that 728 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 2: helped me. I remember when I did Broadway for the 729 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 2: first time, right at twenty one. That was kind of 730 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 2: like the first time that I've ever experienced a lot 731 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 2: of time away from California, which is very much an 732 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 2: industry bubble a lot of the time, and I experienced 733 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 2: other worlds like, oh, everybody doesn't care about what I do. 734 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 2: In New York. I'm like, some people are into wall streets, 735 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 2: some people are in the fast some people in the theater. 736 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 2: Some people are into you know, there's so many other 737 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 2: things that people are interested in, and I think that 738 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 2: also helped me too to understand what it means to 739 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 2: step outside of one particular space and that I'm not 740 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 2: what I do. This is just something that I got 741 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 2: to do. 742 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: Is there any type of scene that, even now that 743 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: Kiki would be unwilling to do? Would you do you 744 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: like a nude scene or you do? 745 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 2: Like I say, yeah, those, I'm not I'm not into that, 746 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: you know, like, you know, giving you just hey with 747 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 2: titties out, you know what I mean? You know what 748 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 2: I mean. 749 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: I don't. 750 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: I just don't feel I don't think I feel confident 751 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 2: in that to really go ahead and do that. I'm 752 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 2: not mad at a love scene, but it's like, what 753 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 2: kind what kind of choreography are we doing? 754 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 4: Right? 755 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? But you know, other than that, 756 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 2: you know, I'm open, but yeah, I'm not into nudity. 757 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: How now that you are mom, does that play a 758 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: role into it and. 759 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 2: To the worlds I want to take? 760 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: Yes? 761 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 2: And I think before I was a mom, it was 762 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 2: my parents, my family, my community, what I want to represent, 763 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 2: and then it's become even more my son, my my 764 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 2: you know, what I want him to see and know. 765 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 2: And that's not stringent and rigid, right. I think mothers 766 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 2: and women are nuanced. They don't mean, well, I'm not 767 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 2: doing all these rules now, But it's just like, how 768 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 2: will I speak to him about it? Is this something 769 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 2: that I can stand behind? Things like that? 770 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: So nickelodeon True VIP the fourth highest page child star 771 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: on television? How did that role come about? 772 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 2: So that roll came about in the whole Little Kid's 773 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 2: Network of acting. My mom's on the phone, somebody called her, 774 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 2: somebody call her. There's role characters called True Jackson VP, 775 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 2: and he can you need an audition for this? And 776 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 2: so the creator Andy and Gordon, he was like, you know, 777 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 2: I didn't know that she did comedy because this is 778 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 2: kind of you know, this guy came from like just 779 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 2: shoot me, like he's done a lot of like sick 780 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 2: you know comedy, Oak comedy, and so he was coming 781 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 2: to you know, kid television, which a lot of people 782 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 2: like him were doing at that time and really making 783 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 2: it amazing. And he was like, I didn't know, you know, 784 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 2: I only knew her from a killing to be that 785 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 2: was a really dramatic work. I didn't know that she 786 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 2: had a sense of humor. So we had in lunch 787 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 2: with him, and then I think I did. I got 788 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 2: on tape for it, and the next thing, you know, 789 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 2: I got the role. Wow, and I was like, oh wow. 790 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 2: It made me think about the Disney Dang, and I 791 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 2: was like wow. So it was gonna happen. It just 792 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 2: wasn't time right, and it was a whirlwind, like I thought. 793 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 2: I feel like I was popular then, you know, And 794 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 2: a lot of times people think about a Quilling and 795 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 2: Bee and they don't remember it in real time. Like 796 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: in real time of Quilling to Be bombed, it wasn't 797 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 2: like a movie that did good in the theaters, Like 798 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 2: nobody really went to see it. People didn't understand it. 799 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 2: They didn't understand the name like it did. 800 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 1: You know. 801 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 2: It was not really a success, to be honest with you. 802 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 2: It wasn't until DVD's, you know, and people buying the 803 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 2: movie after the fact, and people hearing about it and 804 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 2: were getting around that it became popular. So Quilling to 805 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 2: Be became propular over years time. Whereas True Jackson v. 806 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 2: Pitch Honey, once that hit the air, it was up 807 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 2: and it was stuck. 808 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: You did a premiere four point eight million views, setting 809 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: a record for Nickelodeon's largest audience for a live action premiere. 810 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: How did you handle that kind of success, because, like 811 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: you said, you had been in the other roles, but 812 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: you had never had this your lead and to have 813 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: this level of success. 814 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was traumatized straight up because it was just 815 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 2: like nothing felt real anymore. And I didn't know how 816 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 2: to say no a lot of the times because everybody 817 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 2: wanted something from me and theyre's like this, there's this 818 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 2: validation that they're looking for me to approve of them, 819 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 2: or they expecting this from me, whether it be fans 820 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 2: or even friends, even family. I didn't want to let 821 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 2: anybody down because now they're putting me up on this 822 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 2: hill and I don't even see myself there, but anything 823 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 2: I do or say it can hurt their feelings. So 824 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 2: now I don't know how to have boundaries for myself. 825 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 2: And then I'm a kid, so I got to stay 826 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 2: at a child's place and it was just really a 827 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 2: lot for me to manage. And then I'm making all 828 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 2: this money and you know, so many people are trying 829 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 2: to take me from my parents, and I know that 830 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 2: sounds so crazy, but it's true. You know, you have 831 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 2: all these people that are making money off of you, 832 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,879 Speaker 2: and they telling you you know what's best for you, 833 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 2: and that your parents don't know. And I remember feeling 834 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 2: really burdened by that because I love my parents, you know, 835 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 2: and I just felt like, well, damn, am I in trouble? 836 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 2: You know what's going to happen to my career? It 837 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 2: was just so stressful for me as a kid. I 838 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 2: was really under a lot of stress. 839 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,720 Speaker 1: You mentioned that there are people coming in trying to say, well, 840 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: you know who, I can take you so much further 841 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: than what your parents take it. Did you ever think that, damn, 842 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: while my parents really holding me back, could I be 843 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: bigger than what I ask? 844 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 4: You? 845 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 1: May im now. 846 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 2: I didn't know why I needed to be bigger. I 847 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 2: guess I'm just thinking to myself, what what am I missing? 848 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 2: I was happy my family we came to California for 849 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 2: me to pursue my dreams. 850 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: I got my own show, right, so everything throught according 851 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:03,720 Speaker 1: to my honey. 852 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 2: My parents at their best made forty thousand dollars a 853 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 2: year growing up. A year I was making that a show. 854 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 2: So I was like, this is unbelievable. We're happy, We 855 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 2: didn't come into this for money. We came into this 856 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 2: for love, and look at what we've been blessed with. 857 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 2: So when they were doing that, it just was confusing 858 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 2: to me. And as a child, I just was afraid 859 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 2: that it would all go away, because then what now 860 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 2: we're going back to Chicago, and if I don't keep working, 861 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 2: and if I don't listen to these people, if I 862 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 2: don't like what happens then and so I was just 863 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 2: very often scared. I had a lot of anxiety, and 864 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 2: I didn't have anybody to talk to because my parents 865 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 2: didn't understand that. And then they're also afraid because they 866 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,399 Speaker 2: see what's going on, and now they don't know. Now 867 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 2: they checking me, and I'm like, I don't need to 868 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 2: be checked. I don't like them. People were on the 869 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 2: same page y'all, you know, but it was like we 870 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 2: couldn't communicate, and it was a really terrible time for me. 871 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,919 Speaker 1: You're making all that money, what you buy, you buy something, really, 872 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: you get something, you get something crazy. 873 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 2: I remember the most thing I did. I used to 874 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 2: love neda Porte, like the little website online. I used 875 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 2: to just buy a bunch of clothes, you know, bags 876 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I was just really into the 877 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 2: fashion then, especially with the show Trough Jackson VP. Everything 878 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 2: was just about fashion all the time. So I just 879 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 2: remember always shopping. That was the main thing. Then I 880 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 2: bought me a little Apple computer, you know, nothing really big, right, 881 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,839 Speaker 2: just little regular stuff that you know. I think, any kid, well, 882 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 2: how much. 883 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: Access did your parents allow you to have to the money? 884 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: Because we hear all these stories the child actors they have. 885 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: They have these hit shows and they're making tons of 886 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: money and by the time they're seventeen eighteen, they got nothing. 887 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so my parents got me a business manager when 888 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 2: I was twelve, wow, And they wanted me to know 889 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 2: that they weren't the ones controlling my money. They had 890 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 2: heard these stories and my mom said, I don't want 891 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 2: money to come in between me and my child. And 892 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 2: so you know, Coogan that that Cougan account is set 893 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 2: up because a young man I forget his full name, 894 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 2: but I know his last name is Coog and his 895 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 2: parents stole his money. So they made the Cougan account 896 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 2: right within our industry to help kids have some money. 897 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 2: It's like ten percent I think or something like that. 898 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 2: And so that always was there, regardless of anything else. 899 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 2: And then on top of that, you know, my parents 900 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 2: rationing me out an allowance, but they also rationed down 901 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 2: my older sister allowance as well, you know. And I 902 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 2: think the thing about it is somebody could say, okay, 903 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,800 Speaker 2: but that was your money. Yeah, but we're a family, 904 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 2: and everybody sacrificed for me. Where I'm at. My dad 905 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 2: gave up his pension, Okay, he had worked at the 906 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 2: company he worked at for over fifteen years. Gave up 907 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 2: his pension for me to have an opportunity for my dreams. 908 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 2: My mother, they gave up everything. She gave up everything 909 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 2: so she could travel with me and do what she 910 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 2: need to do with me. So how I feel about 911 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 2: it is what's mine is theirs. What's theirs is mine, 912 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 2: And I would do it again. I would give up 913 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 2: and sacrifice twenty more years of my life working in 914 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 2: this industry so that I could provide and we could 915 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 2: have the business we had today. 916 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 1: You know, it's not normal that a child is the 917 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: provider for the family. Normally, it's vice for parents, father, mother. 918 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes the father will. 919 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 2: Have a tissue. 920 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, look at my bad, go ahead, you So normally 921 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: that's that's not normal. Normally it's the father. Sometimes you 922 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: have a dual parent, then both work, but as a child, 923 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: you are the the provider of the family. Yes, did 924 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: you realize what was on kiki shoulder? 925 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 2: Yes? I did, and I wore like this Marg Jacobs 926 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 2: wrong way. I wore like an armor's O. 927 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: Can you do it? Amazing? 928 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 2: I would do it again for my family. 929 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: That's why you did it to begin with. 930 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 2: For community, And I think that is the thing. You know, 931 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 2: life is a lonely place, it is, and when you 932 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,439 Speaker 2: have your family, and if you're the one, then you're 933 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 2: the one that's it. That's the way it was. And 934 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,440 Speaker 2: now you know my sister could go to family and 935 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 2: she had to worry about nothing. Okay, she got to 936 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,359 Speaker 2: live and do what she wanted to do. The same 937 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 2: thing for all of us. We get to do things 938 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 2: that we weren't able to do. And I wasn't the 939 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 2: only person that's sacrificed. But yes, a lot of it 940 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 2: was on me. And it's just one of those things 941 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 2: where I feel like I could be sad, but why 942 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 2: Look what I gained. Yes, I gained so much more 943 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 2: than what I sacrificed. 944 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: Kiki. A lot of times when I talk to people, 945 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: I said people will write down their goals what they 946 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 1: want to accomplish in life, but very few people are 947 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: willing to write down what they're willing to sacrifice to 948 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,919 Speaker 1: achieve those goals. You had a dream, and you wrote 949 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: down your goals what you wanted to become. But you say, 950 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 1: you know what, what I'm willing to give up. I'm 951 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: willing to give up being a high school student. I'm 952 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: willing to build. I'm willing to give up being a 953 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: college student. I'm willing to give up what a normal seventeen, eighteen, 954 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two year old to accomplish those goals. Do 955 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: you understand what that means? Your parents, I don't know 956 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: if they've told you how proud they are of you. 957 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if your sister has ever told you 958 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: how proud they are of you, but they are. 959 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 2: You know, my brother told me when we went to 960 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 2: my sister's graduation, He said, the time was now, and 961 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 2: you were the one to do it. I don't know 962 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 2: if you know, I don't know if you realize, but 963 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 2: you changed our lives and I was just like you 964 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,839 Speaker 2: know he was. I was seven when he was born. 965 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 2: I'm a lot older than him. I never know how 966 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 2: he's seen this or look, you know what I mean. Yes, 967 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 2: I know my brother used to tell his friends when 968 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 2: he you know, he was six my sisters through Jackson 969 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 2: b p All. You know, I know that he thought 970 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 2: of it, but he said, you know, whatever prayers that 971 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 2: were prayed about us, whatever was done, whatever my answersts did, 972 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,840 Speaker 2: the moment is now you You've done it. You've changed 973 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 2: it for the Palmers forever. And it's just like, man, 974 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,839 Speaker 2: it's crazy, and I think that, Look, you can look 975 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 2: at it as I'mkiki Palmer, but I would be I 976 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 2: think a lot of people have had this. We may 977 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 2: not know their names, but people that's watching this, they 978 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,840 Speaker 2: done gave up stuff for their family. My dad and 979 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,800 Speaker 2: my mom, they gave up stuff for their family. 980 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:28,360 Speaker 1: Correct. 981 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 2: My dad, he was accepted to UCLA, he didn't go 982 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 2: because my grandmother needed them. My mom had an opportunity 983 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,920 Speaker 2: to go to school at Juliard, she didn't go because 984 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 2: my father needed her. They decided to do certain things 985 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 2: for the community and it was all paid back and 986 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,280 Speaker 2: then some. And I just that's how I truly believe 987 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 2: in things. I believe there is no reward without sacrifice, 988 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 2: and sometimes that's hard for people to understand and accept. 989 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 2: But there are many nights while I was lonely and 990 00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 2: I cried and I had nobody. There was many more 991 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 2: moments why I felt like I couldn't make it. I 992 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,359 Speaker 2: don't know what I'm gonna do. But then I said, 993 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm here for a reason and I 994 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 2: gotta I gotta push through this. So I did. 995 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 1: There are a lot of prayers that was said that 996 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:13,800 Speaker 1: you even know he. 997 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 2: Heard, and that is facts, and I can see it 998 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 2: in my life today when I see certain moments and 999 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 2: things come up, or certain opportunities that I'm having, or 1000 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 2: you know, I told my mom, it's so different. There 1001 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 2: was a conversation where, you know, I would see fans 1002 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,799 Speaker 2: when I was young, and they would say, thank you, 1003 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 2: we love this movie, we let this movie is good. 1004 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 2: It's great. But now when people come up to me, 1005 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 2: you know, they say, thank you for what you did 1006 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 2: for the community. We appreciate you. I'm like, wow, it's 1007 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 2: almost like, yeah, y'all, you see my heart. You see 1008 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 2: why I'm doing what I'm doing. I did not. I 1009 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 2: don't expect that, but when I hear that, I'm like, damn, 1010 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 2: that's crazy. It really It really touches me. It reminds 1011 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 2: me of why I'm doing what I'm doing. 1012 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: You're one of the great success stories of a child actor. 1013 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:10,239 Speaker 1: If there's anything that you could love young boys, young 1014 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,359 Speaker 1: girls that want to follow in Kiki's footsteps, what's some 1015 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: of the advice you would give them. 1016 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:27,839 Speaker 2: You can't change the world. You know. There's a great 1017 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 2: quote that I love with Mother Teresa, and she says, 1018 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,400 Speaker 2: no great things can be done, only small things with 1019 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 2: great love. So focus on what you can do on 1020 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,400 Speaker 2: the inside with yourself. You know, my book Mastered Me 1021 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 2: is all about self mastery, mastery of the self. How 1022 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 2: you move in this world, how you choose to show 1023 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,800 Speaker 2: up and perform, how you choose to identify your purpose, 1024 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 2: and how that informs the way you're going to perform, 1025 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 2: and how that leads you to your power. That's what 1026 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 2: it's about to me. So I would say to lean 1027 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 2: into you, you trust yourself, Know where it is that 1028 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 2: you feel safe haven it create a community that allows 1029 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,880 Speaker 2: you to flourish and encourage you to be your best 1030 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,359 Speaker 2: and then be easier yourself. Take it one day at 1031 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,840 Speaker 2: a time. Because I didn't know the blueprint I was drawing, 1032 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,279 Speaker 2: but I trusted and had faith that it was going 1033 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,720 Speaker 2: to work out, and I followed my heart. I followed 1034 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 2: what made me feel good, what made me feel happy, 1035 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,359 Speaker 2: my sense of purpose, what drew me to something from 1036 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,400 Speaker 2: a good place, That's what allowed to lead me. And 1037 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,879 Speaker 2: so yeah, trust yourself because you know, at the end. 1038 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,799 Speaker 1: Of the day, there's a viral clip that's circulating where 1039 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 1: Justin Bieber says he wished he could protect Billy Eilish 1040 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:49,319 Speaker 1: Billy Eilish from the industry, but I mean, obviously he 1041 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 1: came up in the industry, extremely successful. You came up 1042 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,320 Speaker 1: in the industry. What is it? It's because the kids 1043 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,040 Speaker 1: are like kind of like isolated like a lot of times. 1044 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't, like you said, your mom travel 1045 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 1: with you everywhere, but you know, I had Kal Mitchell 1046 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: here and I've had some others that you know, sometimes 1047 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: the parents are not around, and you know sometimes and 1048 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,799 Speaker 1: kids are, they're vulnerable, they're easily taking advantage of. 1049 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,319 Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's everything you said, kids are easily 1050 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,719 Speaker 2: taking advantage of. You can go all the way back 1051 00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,840 Speaker 2: to Judy Garland when they were pumping her up with drugs. 1052 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 2: So I mean it happens and even if it's not 1053 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 2: the most extreme idea, it's still traumatizing. Like I can't 1054 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 2: tell you that. I mean, I've experienced some crazy things, 1055 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 2: but I can't tell you they were done when I 1056 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,880 Speaker 2: was a kid on set. But even still it was hard. 1057 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,440 Speaker 2: So I just think being a child and working in 1058 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 2: an adult world. This is an adult business. There's nothing 1059 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,360 Speaker 2: childish or kitty about showing up and working twenty hours 1060 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 2: a day. You know. I just don't think there's anything 1061 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,319 Speaker 2: that can really prepare a child for that, because mentally 1062 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 2: they're not able to be able to understand that. And 1063 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,680 Speaker 2: so there are some things in place, but like I said, 1064 00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,520 Speaker 2: I feel like there should be therapists, and I'm seeing 1065 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 2: an interview recently what Ravens Simone was saying that on 1066 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,719 Speaker 2: her show they do have that. So I just think 1067 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,200 Speaker 2: there needs to be more things implemented to protect a 1068 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,279 Speaker 2: child from a childhood that essentially they're being stripped of 1069 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 2: because the thing about childhood is you're allowed to be 1070 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 2: a child, which means I'm allowed to cry and kick 1071 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,040 Speaker 2: and scream, I'm allowed to have a bad attitude. You know, 1072 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 2: my son we did Halloween pictures yesterday. He kicked and 1073 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,719 Speaker 2: scream the whole time. He can do that because he's 1074 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 2: a kid, but when people are there, because it's a business, 1075 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,560 Speaker 2: you can't do that. You can't kick and scream. You're 1076 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 2: not allowed to be a kid. You're not allowed to 1077 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,840 Speaker 2: say I don't want to do this. You're not allowed. 1078 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,000 Speaker 1: You have to be an adult as a seven, eight, 1079 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:37,800 Speaker 1: twelve year. 1080 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 2: Old you do. And that's why a lot of times 1081 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,279 Speaker 2: people say so and SO seems so mature, They seem 1082 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 2: so what they've aged. The industry will aid you. You know, 1083 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 2: sometimes I feel fifty because the way that I had 1084 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,759 Speaker 2: to be objective about things in order to survive the scenario. 1085 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,759 Speaker 2: You know, it's going to make you more mature. And so, yeah, 1086 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:59,160 Speaker 2: I get the statement, because you know, everybody wants people 1087 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,880 Speaker 2: to be able to enjoy their childhood. But as a 1088 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 2: child entertainer. 1089 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: You don't get to know who you get robbed at that. 1090 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:04,319 Speaker 2: No, you can't. 1091 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:04,840 Speaker 1: You have to. 1092 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,120 Speaker 2: There's no way to be a kid there, you just 1093 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 2: it's not fit for that. 1094 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,279 Speaker 1: Nickelodeon scandal. Quiet on the set your Mom's some Nickelodeon 1095 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,920 Speaker 1: says were very well weird and cultish. Did you have 1096 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,640 Speaker 1: any back did you experience any. 1097 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,759 Speaker 2: Of that, I did not. I'm very grateful to God 1098 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,680 Speaker 2: I didn't experience anything like that. You know what I'm saying. 1099 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 2: I don't want to make it seem like always because 1100 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 2: my parents was doing more than any other parents or 1101 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 2: something like that, because I'm sure many these parents were 1102 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,759 Speaker 2: doing their best, but my parents, they were really so 1103 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 2: strict on me, and a lot of times I feel 1104 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,840 Speaker 2: like that's why I didn't get some opportunities or I 1105 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,919 Speaker 2: don't eve wanna say opportunities, but why some people didn't 1106 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 2: want to work with me, or if it's not even 1107 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 2: that there was necessarily going to be something sinister going 1108 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 2: on in a in a sexual manner, but it would 1109 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,040 Speaker 2: also be financial. You know, my mom, she would read 1110 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 2: those contracts, would say, well, this is the second year 1111 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,800 Speaker 2: she needs a race, and they're like, okay, well she's coming. 1112 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,520 Speaker 2: So instead of doing a third season, we'll were packed 1113 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,799 Speaker 2: the second season so we can get three seasons and 1114 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,000 Speaker 2: we don't have to pay her more. And so those 1115 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,239 Speaker 2: are the kinds of things that Sharon would do that 1116 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,680 Speaker 2: I think she was just so alert that it would 1117 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,920 Speaker 2: scare some people off, you. 1118 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,640 Speaker 1: Know, and take advantage of a child. 1119 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,799 Speaker 2: She was serious about that. She really was. I don't 1120 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,760 Speaker 2: remember she cursed a lot of people. A lot of people. 1121 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:25,080 Speaker 2: She definitely did. I ain't raising no dummy, y'all need 1122 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,719 Speaker 2: to make sure she gets her school. I'll never forget 1123 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,600 Speaker 2: that's what she did on the Quilain the B set 1124 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 2: because they were it was kind of was kind of 1125 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,319 Speaker 2: starting to overwork me, and she said, I'm opposed to 1126 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 2: set down. She ain't got no school all day, y'all, 1127 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,359 Speaker 2: I ain't raising no fool. It don't make no sense 1128 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,919 Speaker 2: for her to be on this set with this movie 1129 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,520 Speaker 2: where they're talking about a little girl learned how to 1130 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,440 Speaker 2: spell and y'all ain't gonna let her read wow. And 1131 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,560 Speaker 2: I was, I mean, as a kid, sometimes that's something 1132 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:51,720 Speaker 2: would embarrass me. Yes, it would embarrass me, but now 1133 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:56,279 Speaker 2: it's like, WHOA, thank goodness. And she would tell me that, 1134 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,040 Speaker 2: you know later on that she was scared, but she 1135 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,279 Speaker 2: was just doing what she felt she need to do 1136 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,080 Speaker 2: to protect me. So yeah, I feel like any of 1137 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,600 Speaker 2: the crazy industry or hard things I went through most 1138 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,240 Speaker 2: of the time, I brought him on myself as a 1139 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 2: young woman because as a kid, Larry and Sharon were. 1140 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: Like, what are some of the best advice that men 1141 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:24,360 Speaker 1: women in the industry before you have partaken shared with Kiki. 1142 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,359 Speaker 2: A lot of people have shared a lot of things 1143 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,680 Speaker 2: with me. I remember I was on a set of 1144 00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 2: The Long Shots with ice Cube, and I think I've 1145 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,759 Speaker 2: told this story before, but you know, he was very cool, 1146 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,600 Speaker 2: very chill. She didn't say too much, a man a 1147 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 2: few words, but very nice. And one day they were like, 1148 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 2: ice Cube wants to speak to you, and I'm like, okay, 1149 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,840 Speaker 2: you know, so they called me into a room. He's like, 1150 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,680 Speaker 2: way far distant from me and as some bodyguards, and 1151 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, what were we about to talk about it? 1152 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,320 Speaker 2: You know, He's like, I just want to tell you, Kiki, 1153 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,919 Speaker 2: you a beautiful young lady. And I see how kind 1154 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,880 Speaker 2: you are, how nice you are to everybody on the set. 1155 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 2: But I want you to know that you're growing into 1156 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 2: a young woman and a lot of times, the way 1157 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,040 Speaker 2: that people see you, the way that these men see 1158 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 2: you on set, it's not the way that you see yourself. 1159 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,880 Speaker 2: So protect yourself, be careful and don't let them take 1160 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,640 Speaker 2: advantage of you. Know who you are and know what 1161 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,960 Speaker 2: you have so that people can't use it against you. 1162 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 2: And I was just like, I didn't understand it because 1163 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,440 Speaker 2: I was like fourteen at the time, and I was like, okay, 1164 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,719 Speaker 2: you know, and I just said can I go, and 1165 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:37,239 Speaker 2: he's and I walked out. That's stuck with me, and 1166 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 2: it was so important, I think, for him to say 1167 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,400 Speaker 2: something like that to me, you know what I mean, 1168 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 2: if he's a father, he's someone who has seen a 1169 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:50,000 Speaker 2: lot in this industry, especially with young entertainers. And I 1170 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,200 Speaker 2: always remember that, and I was always so grateful to 1171 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,800 Speaker 2: him for that. I haven't seen him since, but I 1172 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,960 Speaker 2: would love to tell him that that really stuck with 1173 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,600 Speaker 2: me all these years. And thank you for reminding me. 1174 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,040 Speaker 1: Are there any roles that you turned down that you 1175 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:01,840 Speaker 1: later regretted. 1176 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,799 Speaker 2: I don't say that I would regret this one, but 1177 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,759 Speaker 2: it would have kind of been cool to be in 1178 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,840 Speaker 2: Half Nelson. I remember they had reached out to us 1179 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 2: about that. My mom was so, you know, they've always 1180 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,800 Speaker 2: been so particular about how I represent the community. You know, 1181 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,160 Speaker 2: they grew I grew up with them always talking about 1182 00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 2: Ruby d Is Davis, you know, Muhammad Ali and just 1183 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,399 Speaker 2: entertainers and how they use their platforms correct. And so 1184 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,239 Speaker 2: they were like feeling bad about the fact that I 1185 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,920 Speaker 2: would go from doing the Quila and the b to 1186 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,440 Speaker 2: being a drug dealer, and so that's why they weren't 1187 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,840 Speaker 2: interested in that. But you know, obviously Ryan Gosling is 1188 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,480 Speaker 2: a great actor, and so is Shrika Epps. So it 1189 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:40,360 Speaker 2: was a great movie. 1190 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,279 Speaker 1: Of all the movies that you've done, which movie it's 1191 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,319 Speaker 1: Key Key Palmer most identified with MM. 1192 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,440 Speaker 2: That people identify me the most way, Absolutely Killing the Bee. Really, 1193 00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,480 Speaker 2: people still to this day that is the movie when 1194 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,040 Speaker 2: they think about me. I mean, I've gone on the 1195 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,120 Speaker 2: airplanes and people say, are you the little girl in 1196 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,840 Speaker 2: the Key Lave? And I'm like, yeah, that's crazy that 1197 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,239 Speaker 2: you you know that? So that's the one that I 1198 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,279 Speaker 2: think people still think about the most. And then True 1199 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,319 Speaker 2: Jackson VP yeah. And then now Nope, have. 1200 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,640 Speaker 1: You ever gotten stage fright? Have you ever gotten up 1201 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,400 Speaker 1: there and forgot every word that you were supposed to 1202 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 1: say after knowing it back? 1203 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,840 Speaker 2: Wasn't that happened to me once I was doing Broadway? 1204 00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,880 Speaker 2: And you know what happens is you kind of go 1205 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 2: like blanking your mind when you're doing so many shows 1206 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,359 Speaker 2: like that, right, because you get used to the fact 1207 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,360 Speaker 2: that I know what I'm doing, and they rehearse you 1208 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,960 Speaker 2: and rehearse you, and rehearse you so much that you're like, 1209 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,840 Speaker 2: I got this, and you can actually leave your body 1210 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:35,279 Speaker 2: a little bit. 1211 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:35,759 Speaker 1: Wow. 1212 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,799 Speaker 2: One night, I left my body doing a lovely night, 1213 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,600 Speaker 2: a lovely night, and I was like, oh, what kind 1214 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,960 Speaker 2: of night is it? I was like, and honey, it 1215 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 2: was the strangest thing, because you know, I'm doing my 1216 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,160 Speaker 2: dance and everything, and so I was like, I just 1217 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,520 Speaker 2: stayed dancing and smiling, like literally, I felt crazy. And 1218 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:56,880 Speaker 2: now I look down and I see the conductor and 1219 00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,120 Speaker 2: he's like, and he's mounted it back to me, and 1220 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,520 Speaker 2: I suddenly got back on track. Honey. I felt like 1221 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 2: I went and you know what they call it. They 1222 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,520 Speaker 2: called it you go into the little white room. I 1223 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,239 Speaker 2: went to the little right room, and I didn't know 1224 00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,719 Speaker 2: how I was going to recover. That was the scariest 1225 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,840 Speaker 2: thing I ever experienced in my life. 1226 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,920 Speaker 1: But do you think the audience knew that you had 1227 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:17,880 Speaker 1: lost your trainer? Thought? 1228 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,840 Speaker 2: I would love to have asked somebody. They might have 1229 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:27,120 Speaker 2: thought we're choreography, you know, because I'm literally like, it 1230 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,080 Speaker 2: was strange. I went from being like and it was 1231 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,360 Speaker 2: just like, is she good? And they had to have 1232 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 2: thought that. But once I got back in, I got 1233 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,320 Speaker 2: back in, and that was it. You know, it was spooky. 1234 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,439 Speaker 1: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two 1235 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,720 Speaker 1: is also posted and you can access it to whichever 1236 00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,240 Speaker 1: podcast platform you just listened to part one on. Just 1237 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,200 Speaker 1: simply go back to Clubha profile and I'll see you 1238 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:50,439 Speaker 1: there