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Speaker 1: The volume. Welcome to Prime Cuts with me Colin Coward.

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Speaker 1: I'll bring you the best of the week this week.

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Speaker 1: Nick Con special guest, my former agent, now the president

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Speaker 1: of w w E. It's Brusselmania Week. Some amazing stories

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Speaker 1: how he got started in the business, the story about

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Speaker 1: Freddie Roach knocking out a six foot six guy, predicting

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Speaker 1: the future of TV. Blazer Head coach Terry Stotts joined

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Speaker 1: the show to talk about Dame Lillard, some overlooked NBA greats.

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Speaker 1: Joe Person of the Athletic breaks down the Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: trade from the Panthers perspective. Brian Castello gives us the

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Speaker 1: Jets point of view. I've been in broadcasting about thirty years,

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Speaker 1: and you know, first ten to twelve I didn't have

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Speaker 1: an agent Dan. I bounced around and had a few

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Speaker 1: and my career was fine, and I was in local stuff,

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Speaker 1: local sports, TV radio stuff about thirteen fourteen years. Then

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Speaker 1: I got a job at ESPN, and at the end

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Speaker 1: of my ESPN days, I got my last agent, Nick

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Speaker 1: Con and Nick Cohn worked at CIA, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he represented guys like Herb Street, a lot of big shots.

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Speaker 1: There's two or three sports agents in America that represent

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Speaker 1: most of the big talent, and Nick was one of them.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm pretty loyal guy. I had an agent,

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Speaker 1: and you know, my wife and I sat down one

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Speaker 1: time and she said, I think you need a bigger

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Speaker 1: presence as an agent, and I said, all right, and

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Speaker 1: then you meet Nick. And if you've ever met Nick,

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Speaker 1: you could google him. Nick con He if he showed

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Speaker 1: up in the Sopranos, like he just he just was

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Speaker 1: one of the actors, you'd be like, yeah, yeah, he

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Speaker 1: looks like one of those guys. I'm not saying he

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Speaker 1: wax people, but I'm saying he gets stuff done and

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Speaker 1: he's got a presence about him. And so then Nick

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Speaker 1: and I became very good friends, and he got me

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Speaker 1: to Fox, and I've leaned on him. That was a

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Speaker 1: long time ago, seven eight years ago on anything I've

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Speaker 1: done in business. And then about a year ago he said,

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Speaker 1: I'm done with the agent thing, and Vince McMahon hired

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Speaker 1: him to run THEE which is a massive task. Nick

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Speaker 1: is the first agent I've ever had. Every single question

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Speaker 1: is a step ahead, He's two years ahead, three years ahead.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he had not long ago he was quoted

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Speaker 1: in a magazine talking about the NFL rights about six

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Speaker 1: months to nine months out the NFL rights, and he

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Speaker 1: just nailed it, you know, right down to the dollar figures.

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Speaker 1: He knew where it was going, what they were paying,

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Speaker 1: who would get the best deals. And to me, that's

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Speaker 1: the essence of my friend Nick con Until let's bring

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Speaker 1: him in. You know you, since i've known you, we

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Speaker 1: both with love boxing, and you know, listen, I'm on

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Speaker 1: the treadmill, the daily treadmill, talking about leagues. But I've

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Speaker 1: told my audience this, and I think I've told you this, Nick.

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Speaker 1: Nothing beats a fight, nothing beats an event. You had

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Speaker 1: a relationship with a great Freddie roach and take me

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Speaker 1: back where did it start? And give me the give

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Speaker 1: me the journey on that. Oh the way your recollection

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Speaker 1: of these events is amazing. I think it's one of

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that it's an underrated thing of

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Speaker 1: your many great qualities, but it's something you have great recall.

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Speaker 1: You can sort of remember certain events and what the

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Speaker 1: scene was like at the event. I don't know, just

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Speaker 1: a compliment. It's one of the great great traits of you. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Freddie Roach. So if you don't know what he looks like,

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Speaker 1: and I know you do. But if you don't know,

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Speaker 1: and you're a bully, Freddie sort of looks like your

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Speaker 1: But if you do know who he is, you know

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Speaker 1: he's a former lightweight contenderant he can knock your block off.

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Speaker 1: So years ago, when I was a lawyer, I would

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Speaker 1: go to his boxing gym just as a civilian. Go

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Speaker 1: me know, let me know, let me know. So finally

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Speaker 1: one day it calls me and he says, hey, I

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Speaker 1: and I said, I tell me what happened, And he said.

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Speaker 1: The clerk said something funny to the bully. I Freddie

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Speaker 1: James lights out Tony and ultimately sued Freddie. I can't

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Speaker 1: me to all of his fighters who needed legal help,

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Speaker 1: including a fighter in a two thousand and four world

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Speaker 1: into the sport side of the business. What's the difference

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Speaker 1: between defending an on air person and defending a boxer.

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Speaker 1: It's such a different world. It look in boxing tip.

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Speaker 1: Your best boxers tend to come from the lowest rung

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Speaker 1: of the socioeconomic ladder, so the rules are different there.

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Speaker 1: So if you look at Manny Pakia, there was a

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Speaker 1: time in his professional career. We're on a Friday night

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Speaker 1: he signed with promoter X the very next day and

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Speaker 1: took money from promoter X. The very next day signed

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Speaker 1: you can't do that, And he said, what do you

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Speaker 1: mean I can't? I just did, and it sort of

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Speaker 1: taught me something early in business. There is no can't.

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Speaker 1: These are rules. Rules and laws are separate things. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna say? No, I think that's fascinating. I'd

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Speaker 1: be like signing with two networks correct, so once and again.

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Speaker 1: At that time I was twenty nine or thirty years old.

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Speaker 1: But you hear it and you go through school. Like

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Speaker 1: one of the things I don't love about school, Colin.

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Speaker 1: If I can digress for a moment, I think it's great.

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Speaker 1: Go get an education brought in your mind. But school

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Speaker 1: is a rule based experience. If your papers do on

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Speaker 1: the class. So your entire life you have to follow

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Speaker 1: Do you believe Amazon or Apple? And again it's almost

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Speaker 1: a rounding air when you look at their market value,

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Speaker 1: their valuation, Do you think they'll buy a network because

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Speaker 1: six years, these are not highly profitable sports departments or networks.

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Speaker 1: Do you think an Amazon or an Apple buys one

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Speaker 1: of these networks? Yes, to me, as crystal clear as

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Speaker 1: it appears to be in your head. That part of

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Speaker 1: the setup on these NFL long term deals, and the

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Speaker 1: now they can sell themselves with at least seven years.

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Speaker 1: My understanding is the NFL has a unilateral opt out

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Speaker 1: look at Fox. So part of what Rupert said when

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Speaker 1: what these new enterprises are. So to your point about

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Speaker 1: They sold off seventy five percent or so of their assets.

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Speaker 1: So now with Fox Network, FS one, Fox Business, and

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Speaker 1: Fox News, how ultimately are you going to compete as

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Speaker 1: these other behemoths get bigger and bigger and have theme

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Speaker 1: I know WarnerMedia sold direct TV, but they sold direct

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Speaker 1: do you ltimately get into the future of the business.

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Speaker 1: If you're prohibited because of your equipment from getting into

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Speaker 1: So when you look at Viacom CBS, much smaller company.

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Speaker 1: my show. There's, as you pointed out, an intuitiveness, a confidence.

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Speaker 1: The range is just greater than anybody else in the league.

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Speaker 1: How Terry, how much do you draw the playout with

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Speaker 1: way of greatness. Honestly. It's uh, you let great players

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Speaker 1: A lot of times we don't call it time out

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Speaker 1: all he does is get Dame in the ball. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: not a bad you know what, Hike get to Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: He'll take care of the rest. Who's a player that

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Speaker 1: don't know, I wouldn't pay someone off of that year.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen enough. So that's to me and Joe

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Speaker 1: time to evaluate him. In a year, he's not gonna

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Speaker 1: show you enough where you're gonna give him this long

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Speaker 1: contract extension. You can start over with Zach Wilson and

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Speaker 1: start over with the rookie contract. And I think they

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Speaker 1: really liked Wilson. They fell in love with him watching

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Speaker 1: the film, and then they kind of they guy. Finally

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Speaker 1: got to see him on that pro day and he

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Speaker 1: basically answered all the questions on that reaffirmed what they

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Speaker 1: saw on tape, and that's when they said, all right, Carolina,

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Speaker 1: let's go, let's talk um overall. How are the Jets

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Speaker 1: viewed and treated in your eyes by the city's media.

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Speaker 1: I think rough. I think it's it's been rough because

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Speaker 1: they've lost for the last ten years. You know, they

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Speaker 1: haven't made the playoffs now since twenty and ten, and

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Speaker 1: they've had a lot of called Jetsy type stories. Gino

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Speaker 1: Smith gets punched in the face, Sam Donald gets monoonucleosis.

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Speaker 1: They bring in Tebow and you know they don't use them. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's just a lot of crazy stories. Colin.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the gays press conference, there's just just they

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Speaker 1: there was a plane flying over practice, that said fire

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Speaker 1: John Issick. So it's there's a lot. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: been a lot. So yeah, I don't I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's been unfair. I think um, I think they get criticized.

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Speaker 1: And you know the thing about New York media, and

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Speaker 1: I like asking guys who've been in other markets, and

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Speaker 1: there's just more of us. It's just a little bit

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Speaker 1: louder here than other places because there's more of us,

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Speaker 1: and and the back page is sort of a different animal.

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Speaker 1: You don't have that in every town. You know, the

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Speaker 1: back page can be rough on guys. Page six doesn't

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Speaker 1: exist everywhere. Like I'm the Jets beat writer, right, Colin.

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Speaker 1: You know how many conversations I've had to have with

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks about them appearing on page six and explained to them, yes,

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Speaker 1: that's the New York Post, but that's not me. I

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Speaker 1: like Mark Sanchez, we had a picture of him on

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Speaker 1: the front page eating breakfast with Ava Longoria. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: happen in Green Bay, Colin, Right, And so like I

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Speaker 1: had to go face Mark the next day and be

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Speaker 1: like sorry, you know, and you know, Sam Dorn rented

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Speaker 1: a limousine and brought up had a big party after

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Speaker 1: one game and it was in page six and I said, Sam,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know, so that kind of stuff doesn't

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Speaker 1: happen anywhere, but I think, you know, I think Chicago,

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Speaker 1: South Florida. I think there's you know, there's markets where

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Speaker 1: they people get covered just as tough as here, but

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Speaker 1: it's just a lot more here. M h. That wraps

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Speaker 1: it up for the week. We're heading into another big

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