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Speaker 1: Alrighty, hello again everybody, and welcome once again to Big

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Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live here, brought to you by a Corps

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Speaker 1: light as always seen on giants dot Com. Again Giants

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Speaker 1: getting ready for their big game with the Bears in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Taking care of us at the controls is the lovely

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Speaker 1: Nicole Barrows with me my partner, two times Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: champion David Deal. I am Rus Saulsburg, and of course

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Speaker 1: there is you out there for us to chat with.

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Speaker 1: The number, as always remains to be two zero, one,

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Speaker 1: three and nine. What am I talking about giving my

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Speaker 1: whole number again? Can you imagine this? I'm nuts? That's

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Speaker 1: that's all. That's all I wanta needed to do? Everything? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Everything insurance claims. Uh two zero one nine three nine

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Speaker 1: four or five one three? That is two zero one

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Speaker 1: nine three nine four five one three is the number.

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Speaker 1: Just a couple of notes, uh, David uh Nate Solder

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Speaker 1: he was practicing today. Also Sterling Shepard was practicing today. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So that's certainly good news that Jack Rabbit was practicing today.

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Speaker 1: Guys who didn't practice today, uh was Evan Ingram and

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Speaker 1: Rhett Ellison. So it's just kind of what you see

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Speaker 1: on then I I coach Sherman was asked about, Wow,

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Speaker 1: what you know, um Shepherd and Jack Rabbit practice? Does

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Speaker 1: that mean they'll be in there? And I guess that's

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Speaker 1: just the rules and holding out with this cussion, is it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You like to hope so, But once you're in protocol,

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Speaker 1: you remain a protocol till they tell you you're out

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Speaker 1: of protocol. So you're practicing, You're doing all what you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to do, but I'm assuming that's not going to

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Speaker 1: be decided. I mean, those are things that are out

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Speaker 1: of your control, with the NFL and the mandate of

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Speaker 1: the concussion, the protocol, and when they tell you that

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Speaker 1: you have the return to play protocol to go out

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Speaker 1: there and play this upcoming Sunday up against the Chicago Rors.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's a great time for the

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Speaker 1: bye week. You and I talked about it last week

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Speaker 1: and for this Giant's football team, that gave them a

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Speaker 1: chance to reflect, self evaluate and figure out what they

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Speaker 1: need to do moving forward here. Because to come off

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Speaker 1: of the by and to go on the road up

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Speaker 1: against this type of defense, especially offensively, you've got to

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Speaker 1: be on on task. You've got to stay on que

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Speaker 1: because the last thing that you can expect is to

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Speaker 1: go there, become one dimensional and let Khalil Mack and

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Speaker 1: the rest of that crew become game records, because that's

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Speaker 1: when takeover start happening for this opportunity opportunistic Bears defense,

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Speaker 1: and that's when no struggles start happening. So they've got

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Speaker 1: to make sure that they come into this week fully prepared,

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Speaker 1: ready to uh to go out there and play great football,

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Speaker 1: and to go in there and to play fast, because

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Speaker 1: that's the one thing that we've constantly seen, not only

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Speaker 1: throughout the NFL but throughout this season that teams coming

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Speaker 1: off of by have really started off sluggishly. You know,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know, Killil Mack, and that takes us

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Speaker 1: right to Daniel Jones and takes us right to you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was just just finishing before we came

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Speaker 1: in here. I was talking with Daniel because he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be on our pregame show, uh you know, on Fox five.

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Speaker 1: But but I asked Daniel about Listen, fifteen touchdown passes

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Speaker 1: Pat Sherman brought up something today. He says, yes, it's

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Speaker 1: that that's not reck that's not careless. And here's a

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Speaker 1: think it's a slippery slope when you're trying to you

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the mistakes are never acceptable, but

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Speaker 1: since this has happened, we see drills where he's got

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Speaker 1: personifies Daniel Jones. I. You can question you want to

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Speaker 1: be questioned is his toughness, most mentally, both mentally and physically.

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Speaker 1: Because he's taken a beating, he keeps getting up. As

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Speaker 1: far as mentally, this has not phased it. He hasn't

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Speaker 1: shown from any criticism the minute and let's face it,

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Speaker 1: this is started day one since he became a New

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Speaker 1: You don't have any of those. You only have recollections

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Speaker 1: we said, that's the whole point of why he's getting

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Speaker 1: No question, I mean, when you're you're the quarterback, and

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Speaker 1: Haven't spoke to you for a while. Doing great? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: nice to be back. With you guys. Um, I'm calling

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Speaker 1: a running back. That's one of the reasons. As you've seen,

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Speaker 1: they've given up rushing yards on the road, but at

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Speaker 1: home they're only giving up seventy four on the ground.

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Speaker 1: So so now now that you made everybody nervous, John,

432
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Speaker 1: that's something that you have to think about. We talked

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Speaker 1: about how awful it was for the first game back

434
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Speaker 1: ste Kwon was healthy and was up to start. It

435
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Speaker 1: was the worst game that he could have been in

436
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: because of how bad it was, the slick rain, everything

437
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: that was a part of the field. So it's a

438
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Speaker 1: good thing that he's coming back healthy into this one.

439
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: And and one of the key things, like I said,

440
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Speaker 1: for this offensive line is to make sure they stay

441
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Speaker 1: on track on first and second down, because this is

442
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: not a defense that you want to get into third

443
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Speaker 1: and longs against with Khalil Mack and the rest of

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Speaker 1: the group. And that's not just on the offensive line,

445
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: but that's not the wide receivers as well. They've got

446
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: to make sure that they don't have drops this game,

447
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: and you've got to get those extra one to three

448
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: yards after catch, but also securing the football. That's why

449
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Speaker 1: I think for this game my pick that I picked

450
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Speaker 1: that thing I think to believe needs to have a

451
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Speaker 1: good game and for in order for this Giant's team

452
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Speaker 1: to win, it's got to be golden tape. I think

453
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: that this is a game it's a familiar foe. He's

454
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Speaker 1: because of his time in Detroit. He knows his style

455
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: and type of defense that they want to run. He

456
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Speaker 1: understands what it's like playing in the elements at Soldier field.

457
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: He's had big games there. For him to get those

458
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Speaker 1: extra yards after catch, to open up and spread out

459
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: this giant or the Bears defense for the running game

460
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Speaker 1: is gonna be huge. You know, again, we touched talking

461
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Speaker 1: about kon Paul and I touched on it yesterday. In fairness,

462
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: he's been criticized and listen, he had some some awful

463
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Speaker 1: past protection games. But how much how much how much

464
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Speaker 1: of that you touched on last week? How much of

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Speaker 1: that is the result of not being able to anchor

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Speaker 1: that ankle. That's I mean, figure when you're talking about

467
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: an ankle and when you're talking about blitz pick up,

468
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that you say is is you're staying

469
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Speaker 1: inside out and you're delivering a blow so you can

470
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Speaker 1: restart or redirect, redirect the blitzer. What you've seen out

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Speaker 1: of him since the ankle injury, it's almost I'm inside

472
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Speaker 1: out and I'm fitting up to make sure that I

473
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Speaker 1: don't get beat. Because he understands what the pressure in

474
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Speaker 1: the hind and then now of having to anchor down

475
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Speaker 1: it was affecting him in the way that he was blocking.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's going to change completely. What else

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Speaker 1: you got Mike, and one more thing. Um uh, you know,

478
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Speaker 1: I was just listening to guys talking about how we

479
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Speaker 1: were so cool and all over the games, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I agree with you. Ob when we get a

481
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Speaker 1: penalty or turnover, it's hard for us to recover. You know,

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Speaker 1: normally when I watched the game and I see the

483
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Speaker 1: half of man, that might be the game. But questions,

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Speaker 1: do you think if we play the stake football on

485
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Speaker 1: both sides of the field and I see a lot

486
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Speaker 1: of outside the thing and Jude, I like how he

487
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: told the ball with acts and stuff like that, if

488
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: he played mistakes on ball football, do you think you

489
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Speaker 1: can finally finish the game and get I think, listen,

490
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you just turned in. We were

491
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Speaker 1: just talking about it. They have shot themselves in the

492
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Speaker 1: foot or in the feet whatever I'm talking about, and

493
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Speaker 1: they're they're on a six game losing street. The last

494
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Speaker 1: five games, they were all right there to win them. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they weren't gonna win the New England game on

496
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Speaker 1: the Thursday night game, but they were right there at

497
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Speaker 1: the beginning of the fourth quarter. I mean, that's that's

498
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Speaker 1: mistake football. And if you don't make the mistakes you

499
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Speaker 1: win the games. They were there in all these past games,

500
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Speaker 1: he was. They were there in the Jet game, they

501
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: were there in the Cowboys game, they were there in

502
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Speaker 1: the Lions game and the Cardinals game. I mean, they

503
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Speaker 1: were there. But what what does expression you gotta learn

504
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Speaker 1: to close the deal? Yeah, alright, thank you. You know,

505
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: you hear all this cliche talk in football, um, especially

506
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: from the just he just wanted it more like when

507
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: they think everybody on the football field wants to make

508
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Speaker 1: a play. He wants it more this competitor. But but

509
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: when you you hear the talk, and I used not

510
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: I used to you hear coaches talk all the time,

511
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: and I used to think it was just coach talk.

512
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Speaker 1: It's a hundred not a hundred percent. It's a hundred

513
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Speaker 1: true execution. Execution, execution. If you don't execute, you tripped

514
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Speaker 1: and your fall and you stumble and you lose. It

515
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Speaker 1: Really is that, you know, I mean, that's I mean,

516
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: that's what this game comes down to. And when you

517
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Speaker 1: look at it and when you look back, and when

518
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Speaker 1: we talked about all these games that the Giants were in,

519
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: they had opportunities to capitalize on them, and they did it.

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00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: Think about the Dallas game, you get two takeaways and

521
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: you get six points out of it, especially when it's

522
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: the opening play the game. Your defense gets your takeaway

523
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: and you get the ball into the red zone right

524
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: away to start the game. Those are opportunities for you

525
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: to capitalize and build momentum so that when tearing overs

526
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Speaker 1: or takeaways come a part of it, that it doesn't

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Speaker 1: become all here we go again. As a player, Dave,

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Speaker 1: I mean you've been through bye weeks. Well, we use

529
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Speaker 1: the expression self evaluation. How important is that self evaluation

530
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: in that bye week? It's huge? I mean because you

531
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: just put for the New York Giants, you just put

532
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: game tape out there that every other team that you're facing,

533
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: not only the ones that you just have, but the

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Speaker 1: ones that are moving forward on your flaws. I mean,

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00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: we always used to say the eye and the sky

536
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: does not lie. If something that you're doing isn't disciplined

537
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: or techniques or fundamentally right, they're gonna keep attacking those

538
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: things time and time again until you correct them. What

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00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: do you know a team is struggling to pick up

540
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: the blitz the following week, that defensive coordinator is sending

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Speaker 1: them all out until you stop it. It's no different

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00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 1: as an offensive lineman. You know you're watching how you

543
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 1: set up your technique, How am I setting up my hands?

544
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: Am I giving any tells to the defense with my

545
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: stance or where I put my hands, or the way

546
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: that we're lining up with our spacing. Those are all

547
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: things that you have to indicate moving forward to make

548
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Speaker 1: sure that you put your best football and product out

549
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: there so that you can be successful at what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: To zero, one, nine four or five one three is

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Speaker 1: the number A gonna want to remind everybody. Big Blue

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Speaker 1: oh four six four for more details. How important? I

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00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: guess that's a stupid question to ask. I was gonna say,

559
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: How important is if it's a Giants to win this game. Well,

560
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: they're on a six game losing steak, so you want

561
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: to put a tourniquet on camorrhaging. But just you know,

562
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: you come out like you want to practice better, you

563
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: want to do everything better. But then you know, I

564
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: still believe it affects you between the ears just because

565
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: like as you say, they went through the self evaluation.

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Speaker 1: Now we have to come out and for them to

567
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Speaker 1: win after the self evaluation, it gives you a better

568
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Speaker 1: feel good as well as opposed to Okay, back to

569
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Speaker 1: the drawing board. Not only that, but that this is

570
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Speaker 1: a great way for us to analyze and evaluate the

571
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Speaker 1: coaching the coaching staff because now with that bye week,

572
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Speaker 1: you as a coach or self evaluating yourself as a coordinator,

573
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Speaker 1: what do I know or as just even a position coach,

574
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Speaker 1: what do I need to work on with my guys?

575
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: What are we doing well? What are we giving up?

576
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Speaker 1: What do we need to do moving forward to win

577
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: some of these games in this next six game stress

578
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: And when you look at it, and when you play

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Speaker 1: a team like the Chicago Bears that are four and six,

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00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: that are having offensive struggles and woes, that are going

581
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Speaker 1: through all the turmoil and all the things that they're

582
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Speaker 1: going through, Nobody would have expected the Bears to be

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Speaker 1: sitting here at four and six and week twelve in

584
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Speaker 1: the NFL coming into this year. They'll tell you you're crazy,

585
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 1: but it happens. And this is a game that the

586
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: Giants can go there. As long as they play smart, sound,

587
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: disciplined football, they can win. They can win this football game. Right,

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00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: So so let me ask you this, uh, pose this

589
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: question to you. You talk about self evaluation and also

590
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Speaker 1: the coaches. You know, what do I have to do

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00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: to make this better? That when does it reach your point?

592
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: Because if you're a coach and you believe in yourself

593
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: and you believe it in the system, when when is

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00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: it time to abandon the system and say it's not

595
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Speaker 1: working or or you're saying to yourself, no, I still

596
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: believe in it. We got young eyes and we think

597
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: it can work. You know, that's a slippery slope as well.

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00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: And it is the example of you and I have

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00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: discussed many times, and folks, I'm not remotely comparing it

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00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: to David's first Super Bowl winning team, but that first year,

601
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Speaker 1: the defense bags defense gave up eighty points in the

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00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: first two games, and it was Dallas and Green Bay,

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Speaker 1: I believe. And then the third game that you guys

604
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Speaker 1: were losing a seventeen nothing uh in the second half,

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Speaker 1: and the third go out of seventeen. Nothing in Washington

606
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: won the game. I mean, so you know, when is

607
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Speaker 1: it like, okay, listen with two and six, excuse me,

608
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: two and eight? When do we fixedness? Do we abandon it? Now?

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Speaker 1: Do we take a with it? What do we do? No?

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Speaker 1: I think that this is where you would adjust in

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Speaker 1: a dept to where you are as a football team. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you're committed and confident in what scheme that you run

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Speaker 1: and what you're doing, because that's the fact of where

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00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: in the position that you're in as a coordinator. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, you also have to recognize the

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Speaker 1: personnel that you have to run that scheme, and if

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Speaker 1: you don't have all the pieces in place, you've got

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Speaker 1: to find ways to manipulate the scheme to the players

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Speaker 1: that you get a positive outcome from. So, yeah, you

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00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: might want to go out there and run three wide

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Speaker 1: stuff and all that, but if you don't have a

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Speaker 1: star number one or a number two, you can't run

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Speaker 1: those things. So you have to be able to adapt

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Speaker 1: and adjust. And that's something, like I said, that comes

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Speaker 1: down to coaching, and that's what we're going to see

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Speaker 1: out of this football team. Two zero one four or

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Speaker 1: five one three is the number. Let me pose this

628
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Speaker 1: question to you, is in light of everything that's gone on.

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Speaker 1: You know, everybody likes to play at home, but but

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes it is better being on the road.

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Speaker 1: Look at our oh seven, we're road warriors, one eleven

632
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Speaker 1: straight on the road. I mean sometimes, you know, getting

633
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Speaker 1: together on the road, you know, having that hotel, that dinner,

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Speaker 1: that experience. You know, you guys is going on, going

635
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: into a stadium, and those are the only players, those

636
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: people in the locker room are the only ones that

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Speaker 1: are going to get you out of here alive. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, getting booed on the road, it is

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00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: a lot better than getting booed at home. Oh, no question,

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Speaker 1: I and I and I always said one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest feelings in the world was was walking off of

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Speaker 1: the field and Philadelphia, Washington, er Dallas and it just

643
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Speaker 1: being completely silent. It's one of the greatest feelings in

644
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: the world after dealing with some of those hostile crowds. No,

645
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean, it's just getting that victory, you know,

646
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: even if it's not within your division, the odd rival. Uh.

647
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: I remember John Marathon telling us it was you know,

648
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: when the before they went to Super Bowl when they

649
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: had that big game when Matt Bark kicked the game

650
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: winning field goal Coast of San Francisco forty nine. Is

651
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: uh walking down through the crowd in San Francisco. Yeah,

652
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: because that's the way that it used to have to be. Yeah,

653
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: the old candlestick dead silence, dead silent. Yeah, that's so

654
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: so maybe maybe it works out for them. And uh, listen,

655
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: was just in the locker room, everybody seemed to be

656
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: in a refreshed I have to tell you, folks, maybe

657
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if refreshed well, refreshes work because you

658
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: just had you can say refreshed and re energized, re energized.

659
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: But that's never a down locker room. It's never a lazy, fair,

660
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: matter of fact locker room. That these guys care. It's

661
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: a good group. And I've said this time and time again,

662
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: nobody is more frustrated than the loose in the losing

663
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: then the players. I I just you know, I know

664
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: people can argue with me, but rust where the fans

665
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: or the media. I think the media certainly acts sometimes

666
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: more frustrated than anybody. But you gotta remember something for

667
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: the players, that's their livelihood and especially in football, when

668
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: the contracts aren't guaranteed, they're playing for their livelihood and

669
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: losing directly affects their livelihod So I mean they feel

670
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: lousy about it, and they also feel lousy about letting

671
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: down the fans, especially because they know the Giant fans

672
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: are great fans and they more than that, You feel

673
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: bad because when you have a mistake, you feel like

674
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: you're letting down your brother, your teammate, and that's something

675
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: that you'll realize and that you'll understand as you go

676
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: along in your NFL career. We used to have meetings

677
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: where it would be just players only we'd watch our

678
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: offensive film as a unit. They'd watch their defensive film

679
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: as a unit. And when it's just you standing there

680
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: in front of your peers, it's one thing just to

681
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: get beat. Players are gonna get beat because the guys

682
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: on the other side of the field get paid and

683
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: they're the best at what they do as well. But

684
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: when you sit there in a room and you're responsible

685
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: for something that doesn't go right, not because of your heart,

686
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: not because of what you are gifted athletically, but because

687
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: you let them down mentally, because you weren't prepared for

688
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: that moment. It's one of the worst things in the world,

689
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: and nobody in the right mind wants to be there

690
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: looking at themselves. On the film that it came down

691
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: to the preparation, something that you can control. Yeah, I

692
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: would think just what you said, you know, we were

693
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: talking about before, making a mistake because of aggressiveness is

694
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: one thing. Making a mistake because of carelessness, or it's

695
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: a whole different store. Not mentally prepared that that's that's

696
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: It's like a defensive lineman trying to jump a gap

697
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: because he thinks he can get a sack and he

698
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: lets up the quarterback on a on a run because

699
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: he opened it up trying to do too much. Yeah. No,

700
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: two zero, one, four, five, one, three is the number

701
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: of you've been in this position again with the losses.

702
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: Is it just a matter of can one loss, excuse me,

703
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: one win fix everything? I don't think. I don't mean

704
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: to say fix everything, but can I get you back

705
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: on track? Absolutely? It can give you number one deep breath,

706
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: especially when you're a young player, when you're investing so

707
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: much into everything you do at this facility and you

708
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: don't reap the rewards of it. That's one of the

709
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: toughest things, but you have to earn the right to

710
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: win in order for that to take place. And then

711
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: number two, the other thing that you get out of

712
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: it is is the experience and the capability of knowing

713
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: that when everybody's on the same page, everybody's committed and dedicated,

714
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who's on the other side of the field,

715
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: anything can happen. Look at the Atlanta Falcons who came

716
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: out and blew out the New Orleans Saints. Nobody called

717
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: that game, Nobody gave the Atlanta Falcons a chance. They

718
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: came off of their by they made the adjustments needed,

719
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: and they've won back to back blowout games. Nobody expected

720
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: those things. Well, they're not making the playoffs, but there's

721
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: something about pride and continuing to fight the adversity that

722
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: makes big impacts on the teams in the future. You

723
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: heard Maddie Ryan talk about after the game, like you said, listen,

724
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: what we've done. We've done, but you know, now we've

725
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: got something to play for, and let's just you know,

726
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: take a better and not a better attitude. A Now

727
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: we've got a positive attitude going into the approach. Two

728
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: zero one, five, one three is the number. Let's go

729
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: to New Mexico check in with Scott. Hello, Scott, you're

730
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: on with Russ and David. Hi, guys, how you doing today? Russ,

731
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you that the Giants have

732
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: been in a number of games this season, and if

733
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: one or two players are going the other way, perhaps

734
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: our record would be a little bit different. But I've

735
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: been quoting Vince Lombardi because I'm a big one Vince

736
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: Lombardi fan, and it was something he said a while back,

737
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: which I'll quote to you. He says, some of us

738
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: will do our jobs well and some will not, but

739
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: we will be judged by only one thing, the result.

740
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: And right now we're two and eight and sort of

741
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 1: the build ourself natural. Your record says who you say

742
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: you are. But there are obviously mitigating reasons as to

743
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: why the Giants are too and eight. But there's one

744
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: player I wanted to ask you about either one of you,

745
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: in regards to his performance this year, and I happen

746
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: to think that this guy is one of the top

747
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: five athletes on the team, if not the best athlete

748
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: on the team, and that's Lorenzo Carter. Last year as

749
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: an edge rusher, I think he had four and a

750
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: half sacks and this year he has about two and

751
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: a half. The thing that's a little troublesome is that

752
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: he's only had eighteen solo tackles and an assistant in

753
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: fifteen others, which, if you rate him against the other

754
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: edge rushers, is not where it's supposed to be. Yet

755
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: he's too good an athlete. I just think when I

756
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: saw him out of college and when I see him today,

757
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: he's just too good not to be good. I guess

758
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: is ratted out and coming up with So I'm trying

759
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: to explain to myself or see if I can get

760
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: some justification from you guys. Is it the system he's

761
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: in or is he under performing? Because as I said,

762
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the five best athletes on

763
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: the team. And I was wondering if he was moved

764
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: to a different position, perhaps an outside linebacker as opposed

765
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: to that rusher, would he be more benefit to the Giants.

766
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: And I was just curious if you've had any discussions

767
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: with him or if you've assessed him, And because I

768
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: think he sort of epitomizes what's going on with the Giants.

769
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: They have the nucleus for a great team. They have

770
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: great athletes, yet at the same time they seem to

771
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: be underperforming, And I was just curious if you had

772
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: an overall perspective on that, either one of you. All right, Scott,

773
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: thank you. One of the things that I think that

774
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: he's gotten better at and that it will continue to

775
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: get better at, is having more than just one move.

776
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: One thing that you hear a lot of times and

777
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: it takes some time for players, is that you call

778
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: him a one trick pony. They've gotten along and gotten

779
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: by with it so often in college that they don't

780
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: have a secondary or third move that you need to

781
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: have up against an offensive tackle. So I think that's

782
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: part of the rotation of where he needs to get

783
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: better in his techniques and fundamentals. But also I think

784
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: the addition of Williams on the inside. I think the

785
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: addition of another pass rusher always helps and aids another player.

786
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: We know that he's gotten pressure on the quarterback, but

787
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: it's not just doing that, it's being able to close

788
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: out and finish the play. Yeah, you know what Ryan

789
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: Connelly getting hurts. No, I mean poor Ryan Conley. I

790
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: mean was having an unbelievable year stepping in there for

791
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: as a fifth round drafted rookie out of Wisconsin to

792
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: getting into the starting lineup to then being the one

793
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: with the dot on his helmet to call all the

794
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: defenses for that defense. So it was very difficult for

795
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: that to happen. But once again, this is a time

796
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: that we need Lorenzo Carter. When you pass rush and

797
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: when you go after an offensive tackle, it's a strategy.

798
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: It's not just doing one thing. You have to set

799
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: up those moves in order for to get through with

800
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: a big play. Two zero one five one three. We

801
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: have a comment on Twitter from A. J. Marshall three.

802
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden having a good season. Hopefully the Giants re

803
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: signed him in the off season. You get my vote

804
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: on that, ad J, because I think um Marcus has been,

805
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, one of the very best players. Yeah, he's

806
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: not only is he a very good player, he's a

807
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: terrific guy. He is energy, he brings it each and

808
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: every day, positivity, persistence, and the ability to fight for

809
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: four quarters all the way through the whistle. He's always hustling,

810
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: he's always running, he's always playing hard. And one of

811
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: the things that we're looking forward to is what happened

812
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: to him post injury and how is he going to

813
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: have respond to it? That was a big question. What's

814
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: he gonna bring? We know what he's capable of. Now

815
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: he needs to prove that he is a valuable player

816
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He's earned every right to get that title. Yeah,

817
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: and he has nobody else. He has earned it by

818
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: the way that he's working. There were little whispers maybe

819
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 1: the first game is so you know, what's Marcus? What's

820
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: he doing Marcus Golden? He I don't He's been terrific.

821
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: He's been a very I totally agree with that comment.

822
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: I would hope and I'll tell you what, he's making

823
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: himself some money because he had He's had himself a

824
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: very productive season. Uh. He is, quite frankly, to me,

825
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: the whole package as a football player. I think he's very,

826
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: very solid, And I would concur with that remark. Two zero, one, five,

827
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: one three is the number. You know, just going over

828
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: to schedule, there's ain't no walk in the park. No, No,

829
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean you got the Bears at at Soldier Field.

830
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: You've got the Packers the following week, the Eagles on

831
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: Monday Night in Philly, which we all hate that Monday night.

832
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: You got Miami okay, he got the Redskins okay, and

833
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: the Eagles again in the last game of the season.

834
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 1: And you know, Eagles a fight for their lives. Yeah, yeah,

835
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: I mean this is this is where you see that

836
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 1: this is gonna come down for this Giant's football team

837
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: to walk away from the season with a positive feeling.

838
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: The only way they can do that is if they

839
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: come out here, swing in these next six games, leave

840
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: it all out on the field without a single regret.

841
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: Two zero one four or five one three is And

842
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: you know, you know, let me throw this out at

843
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: you because you're his former teammate. It's the last six games,

844
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: Eli Manning. Yeah, I mean, realistically, I don't think any

845
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: of us expect back next year. You're a gut feeling

846
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: that's it. I think that it is. Yeah, I do.

847
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: I think that I think that it is. I mean

848
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: the career that he's had, the type of player that

849
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: he was throughout his entire career, his accolades, but more

850
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: than anything, just a character of him as a man. Nobody,

851
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: and I mean nobody would have handled this the way

852
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: that he has. Listen, I have covered a lot of guys,

853
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: a lot of great athletes in this city, a lot

854
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: of a lot of gentlemen. No, but topsy, I'm not

855
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: just we're not playing violins now. The six games to go.

856
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: But you know, you get asked these questions. Done, do

857
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: you think Eli is going to get his start? And

858
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: it's not. No, I don't. I don't believe that. I

859
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: do you, I don't. I don't think and I don't

860
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: think he would want I don't think he would want it.

861
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: I almost think it think going back to with everything

862
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: that happened with Gina, well, we'll just put you in

863
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: so you get the record, so you get to start.

864
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: He's not he he does not care if you're putting

865
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: them out there. It better be because he deserved the

866
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: right to be out there to win the football game.

867
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: Nobody's been whining about it, but I've I've had some

868
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: fans I've heard some of that to give him a farewell,

869
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: and I says, no, you know, he he deserves more. Um,

870
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: he's accepted what has happened this year. Again. I was

871
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: just talking with Daniel Jones today and Daniel has he

872
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: emphasize the fact that nobody, you know, he was talking

873
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 1: about correct the mistakes and getting advice from other people,

874
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: and nobody has helped him more than Eli Manning. And

875
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: nobody should be surprised, nobody because because that's Eli, and

876
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't what you know. Just for those of you

877
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: are thinking about that, listen, they brought him, They put

878
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones in the lineup because they felt it just

879
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: gives the team, this team a better chance. That was

880
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: the decision. Whether you agree with it or not, that

881
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: was the decision. We are now eight games into that decision,

882
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna go back because it quite frankly

883
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't be fair to Daniel eva. No, it just would not.

884
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 1: So to zero five, one three is um the number.

885
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: And uh you know, as far as well, how about

886
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Uh we we were all very excited

887
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: about the offensive life coming into this season. How would

888
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: you I'm going like this men's and men's Yeah, I

889
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean. One of the things that you

890
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,959
Speaker 1: know that definitely derailed some excuse me by the way,

891
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: Halopeo is back. Oh yeah, there you go. Halopo is

892
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: back as well, and that's important, you know. Obviously. One

893
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: of the things that that's derailed this a little bit

894
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: was the injury to say Kwon Barkley that that's easily

895
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: that can be easily said. But you know, one of

896
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: the things that they need to do is is to

897
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: make sure it doesn't matter whether you guys have eight

898
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: men in the box or not, you still got to

899
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: run the football. I mean, prime example Dlvin Cook. He's

900
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: faced more eight man boxes than any other running back

901
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: in the NFL and has still found a way to thrive.

902
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: As an offensive line. You have to understand the imperativeness

903
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: of making sure that you can be physical and bring

904
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: the fight to them instead of the other way. And

905
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: the only way that you can do that is playing sound,

906
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: disciplined football up front and having your technique in line

907
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: with the player next to you. Two zero, one four

908
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: or five one three is the number. I understand. Our

909
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: friend here has to bid us fairwell. Yeah, I'll be

910
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: back next We'll see you next one. Absolutely not not,

911
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: trust me. He's not going for a potty break. He

912
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: just has some business to take care of. Okay, thanks, buddy,

913
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: We will see you next week. Yes, yes, no, actually not.

914
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: I won't make it tomorrow. I'll make it tomorrow. Sorry

915
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: about that. You got a buddy. To zero one, five

916
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: one three is the number again. Folks, if you want

917
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: to remind everybody if you subscribe to the Giants Audio podcast,

918
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 1: please make note that beginning December one, Big Blue Kickoff

919
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: Live here will have its own dedicated podcast, so you

920
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: can begin subscribing right now on Apple podcast or Spotify,

921
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: Google Play or your favorite podcast platform. Again, starting December one,

922
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live no longer will be available in

923
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: the Giants Audio podcast, so please subscribe to the Big

924
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live podcast. And again you can still watch

925
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: or listen to the show on Giants dot Com and

926
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: the Giants at we Got ten minutes to go. You've

927
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: got phone lines open to zero one four five one

928
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: three is the number again. To zero one nine four

929
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: five one three is the number again. Though you know

930
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: the discussion came up earlier about uh, it might have

931
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: been Greg called and asked, well, if you think, you know,

932
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: we didn't make some of those mistakes, or you know

933
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: it's just one of two mistakes, that's always the case.

934
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: But if you look at the schedule and look at

935
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: that last the six game losing streak, throw the Minnesota

936
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: game out, throw that game out. But the New England game,

937
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: they were certainly in that game for the three quarters

938
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: Cardinals game, the Lions game, the Cowboys game, and the

939
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: Jets game. I mean, if that's not the the example

940
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: of a young team making mistakes and the oaklish a

941
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: shot eating themselves in the foot, then I don't know

942
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: what is. It's just, you know, it's not making excuses

943
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 1: because this is the NFL. But go ask any coach,

944
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: Go ask any coach people who played the game. You

945
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: want a tough, veteran squad. Now, everybody had to be

946
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: rookie or a first year, a second year player at

947
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: one time or another, but there's a lot of them

948
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: on this team. But when you're losing, all kinds of

949
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: criticism comes up. Everybody starts pointing fingers and again, Paul

950
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: and I think discussed it last week. People were talking

951
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: about the draft of the last two years. You really

952
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: you want to complain about the draft. You want to

953
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: complain about the draft from last year and Quan and

954
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: Will Hernandez and and and Lorenzo Occater and b J. Hill.

955
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: You want you want to make a complaint. You want

956
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: to complain about this year. I mean, as DeAndre Baker

957
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: had some problems. Yeah, I don't think anybody on the

958
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: team or in the Giants organization wants to get rid

959
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: of him. You're gonna complain about Dexter Lawrence. You're gonna

960
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: complain about Daniel Jones. You might be frustrated with turnovers,

961
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: and what you've heard me say time and time again,

962
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: this season is not measured by wins and losses. That's

963
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: measured by progress. Despite the record, I've seen plenty of progress,

964
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: despite the mistakes, I've seen plenty of progress. And Daniel Jones,

965
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, You've heard David talk about it, and nobody

966
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: is a bigger Eli Manning fan than David Deal. But

967
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you Daniel Jones, watching him this year

968
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: and seeing his attitude and and the way he handles everything,

969
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: his toughness and competitiveness, I'm not gonna complain about that.

970
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: You're gonna complain about Darius Slayton. I think that's a

971
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: pretty good football player. I mean, I think flat out

972
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: that they have a star in Darius Slayton. It's a

973
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 1: very very good football player. So if if you want

974
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: to complain about things, complain, Yeah, complain about the losing.

975
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: Nobody's happy about the losing. We all have our favorites,

976
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: we all have our favorite players, whether you're an ELI

977
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: fan or you're like this guy, you're like that guy.

978
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: But look, if we're going to make an example, let's

979
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: let's see. We're gonna put it under a microscope. Why

980
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: has this team lost? As has there been one game

981
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: where Daniel Jones has had his full compliment of weapons

982
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: one game? There hasn't been one game, not not a one.

983
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: Giant started this season off without one of the top

984
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: receivers golden tape, not not a one. So you know

985
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: the situation. You know, it certainly hasn't been a walk

986
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: in the park for Daniel Jones, And to me, that's

987
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: progress because there was no whining about it. Any time

988
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: there was a mistake or an interception or a fumble

989
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: or you never saw his shoulders drag. You never saw

990
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: his shoulders sag. The guy just came out and was

991
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: fighting time and time again. So to me, I just

992
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just uh, there's a lot to be

993
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: frustrated about. But you know, and I'm not looking on

994
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: it with big blue blinders on. There's a lot to

995
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: be frustrated about this season plenty, and nothing's more frustrating

996
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 1: than a tough loss, especially when you feel you let

997
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: the victory get away. But I do think the future

998
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: is bright to zero five, one three. Let's go to Mike.

999
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: Is that in Brooklyn? And Nicole? Mike in Brooklyn? Hello, Mike,

1000
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: how we do it today? Hey? That's how you doing? Good? Buddy?

1001
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: What's up? I wanted to talk positively out the team

1002
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: a little bit, um like you were just saying, um,

1003
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: the less the less two drafts have been. You know,

1004
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: you can't really graded draft, they say until five years

1005
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: or so, um to see how the players developed. Well,

1006
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: let me just cut my much much better? Can the

1007
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: future looked um to me? A lifelong Giants fan, I

1008
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: watched watching them since they were playing in the Yankee Stadium.

1009
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: Huh um, And I mean you gotta we have we

1010
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: have As of a couple of weeks ago, I think

1011
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: we had more than five hundred more rookie snaps were

1012
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: taken by our team than that than the second than

1013
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: the second closest team. Yeah, we had the most snaps

1014
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: rookie the Giants have. Rookies have the most snaps by

1015
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: a lot in the entire NFL this season. Yeah, you're

1016
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: right about that, But I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree with

1017
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: you on one thing, Mike. Just based on this draft

1018
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: at this juncture, I'm gonna call it a success right

1019
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: now based on just three players, just three players, and

1020
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: that's I'm not saying the other guys as this, but

1021
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's a success because you have a

1022
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback of the future. I'm gonna say it's a

1023
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: success based on Dexter Lawrence. And I'm gonna say it's

1024
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: a rousing success based on a fifth round Jeff Troys

1025
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: by the name of Darius Slayton. I agree with you.

1026
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: What what I was saying was, it wasn't my perspective,

1027
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: but that's what I've heard from people, um, you know,

1028
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: to supposed uh gurus of drafts and stuff. But I

1029
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: agree with John at present, Um say, Kawaan Barkley, Um,

1030
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's uh, he's a star. He's uh.

1031
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: He's a bona fide All Pro running back already, he's

1032
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: a generational player, a bookie season like that to two

1033
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: thousand scrimmage yards, that's amazing, uh um and done to

1034
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: be a captain in the second year with uh, you know,

1035
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: with other people, I think other people that have been

1036
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: there along. I think it is a huge, huge um move.

1037
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: Um a good move by the players who like I guess,

1038
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: vote for vote for team captains on the Giants. Um,

1039
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: he has it. He has it, you know what I mean,

1040
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: he has the leadership. From the first time I heard

1041
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: him in an interview, I said, Wow, this guy's got it.

1042
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: And you can set up about most anybody they drafted.

1043
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: These kids are well spoken. There their character guys, they

1044
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: all are. I mean, Mike, you sound no, no, you

1045
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: you're you're saying what the Giants wanted to get in there.

1046
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 1: They wanted to change the character. They wanted to change

1047
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: the culture of the team. They're a terrific bunch of guys.

1048
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: But now now it's time to turn the losses into

1049
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: wins because you know they the character is only gonna

1050
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: be so accepted. The most important culture that you want

1051
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: in the locker room is a winning culture. They've got

1052
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: a positive culture. But now that I have to develop

1053
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: that winning culture. And I think that, you know, I

1054
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: believe they got a couple wins in them this season.

1055
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: I don't like to look past the next but I

1056
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: m not past the next opponent. But I had to

1057
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: ran the Bears game uh taped in uh my DVD

1058
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: and I watched it last night and there the Bears

1059
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: offenses is incredibly uh black luster um and that's that's

1060
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: surprising me from coming from a NAGE system. Uh and

1061
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: what they did last year. But I don't think Sabinski

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Speaker 1: is the answer there, no, no, no no. But remember one

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Speaker 1: thing though, and Mike, we're up against it. So thank

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Speaker 1: you for the call. My friend appreciate it. But uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: their offense might not be very good, but the defense

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Speaker 1: is is pretty good. And uh, you know a fellow

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Speaker 1: by the day to Camillo Mac, he can bring it

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Speaker 1: pretty good. So as let's put it this way. If

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Speaker 1: if this is a football, Daniel two hands, two hands

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Speaker 1: and get rid of it. But anyway, folks, that is

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Speaker 1: a wrap on today. Our thanks to the lovely Nicole

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Speaker 1: Barrows taking care of us at the controls, my buddy

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Speaker 1: David Deal who had a split real quickly for being here,

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Speaker 1: and I am Russaul's broke. But most of all, we

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Speaker 1: want to thank you the fans out there, because as always,

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Speaker 1: without you the fans, we'd have nobody here to be

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Speaker 1: talking to. So until next week, it is I Russe

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Speaker 1: Allsburg saying to all of you, Bye bye, so long

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Speaker 1: and farewell. I have yourselves a good week.