Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning.
Speaker 2: This is Laura, Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's
Speaker 2: episode is going to be a longer one part of
Speaker 2: the series where I interview fascinating people about how they
Speaker 2: take their days from great to awesome and any advice
Speaker 2: they might have for.
Speaker 1: The rest of us.
Speaker 2: So today's episode is going to be something a little new.
Speaker 2: I'm delighted to bring you my guest whose name is Haley.
Speaker 2: She is a long time Before Breakfast listener who lives
Speaker 2: in Texas works for a tech company. She was listening
Speaker 2: to the new interview format and asked if I had
Speaker 2: considered doing any listener time makeovers as part of an episode,
Speaker 2: and I said, well, I'd love to. Was Hailey interested
Speaker 2: in volunteering? She was, so here she is Hailey, Welcome
Speaker 2: to the show.
Speaker 3: Awesome, Thanks Laura, it's great to be here.
Speaker 2: So, Haley, could you just quickly introduce yourself to our listeners.
Speaker 1: Anything you'd like to share about yourself?
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. So I'm Haley. I work full time as
Speaker 3: a program manager and a tech company. I'm based in
Speaker 3: Austin and I have a husband, no pets, and no kids.
Speaker 1: Excellent. And how long have you been listening to Before Breakfast?
Speaker 3: Gosh, I think since the beginning. I've been such a
Speaker 3: big fan. The small episodes are great little tidbits for
Speaker 3: getting ready or whatnot, and the longer episodes have been
Speaker 3: great to listen to as well.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I'm excited to hear that. Have you ever
Speaker 1: tried any of the tips that you've gotten from Before Breakfast?
Speaker 3: Definitely? Yeah, quite a few. Definitely one is bashing the
Speaker 3: little things. I do that all the time in my
Speaker 3: work life in personal life. And then also the one
Speaker 3: you did on making kits to be prepared. I have
Speaker 3: that in the car pool bag, all that stuff that's good.
Speaker 2: I can't say that I have necessarily made as many
Speaker 2: kids as I probably should have, but you know, one
Speaker 2: of these days I will maybe take my own advice. So, Hayley,
Speaker 2: when we conversed the first time a few weeks ago,
Speaker 2: I told you that when I have people do time makeovers,
Speaker 2: I always have them keep track of their time for
Speaker 2: a week. Longtime listeners know that I definitely suggest people
Speaker 2: track their time just to see where the time really goes.
Speaker 2: So can you talk a little bit about the experience
Speaker 2: of tracking your time and what you did as you
Speaker 2: were keeping track of your time and how it worked
Speaker 2: and whether you know what your experience.
Speaker 3: Was with that. Yeah, it was a great experience. So
Speaker 3: just kind of for ease, I ended up printing out
Speaker 3: like an Excel sheet that had the different timeboxes on
Speaker 3: it every thirty minutes, and I was able to just
Speaker 3: scribble in, you know, every once in a while what
Speaker 3: I had done since the last time I checked in.
Speaker 3: I ended up then transposing that into an Excel file
Speaker 3: just so I could get some more data and do
Speaker 3: some additions all that type of stuff. But it was
Speaker 3: a great experience. It definitely held me accountable to what
Speaker 3: I was doing during the day, and it was really
Speaker 3: fun to look back and see, you know, I have
Speaker 3: a pretty busy work schedule, but there's also a lot
Speaker 3: of hours outside of that, so really neat to see
Speaker 3: where I was spending my time before we even talked.
Speaker 2: About it, Yeah, was it challenging to remember to keep
Speaker 2: track of your time. I'm wonder if you had any
Speaker 2: sort of ways to keep yourself sticking with it for
Speaker 2: the whole week.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, just like we carry our phones around, I
Speaker 3: just carried around just a folded piece of paper with
Speaker 3: the boxes, so I was able to just record it.
Speaker 3: You know, if I was doing an activity for a while,
Speaker 3: I just left it aside and then came back, so
Speaker 3: it was pretty easy to remember generally what I had done. Also,
Speaker 3: on the work side, I ended up tracking the difference
Speaker 3: between my actual work time versus my meeting time, which
Speaker 3: was super interesting to see how much time I was
Speaker 3: really spending in meetings during the week.
Speaker 1: How much time were you spending I'm curious.
Speaker 3: I think quite a bit of my days are focused
Speaker 3: on meetings. I'd say maybe half of each day at least,
Speaker 3: so I'm really diligent about the times where I'm not
Speaker 3: in meetings. They can sure I can get my stuff done.
Speaker 3: But that was neat to see across the span of
Speaker 3: a week, you know, if I have a late work
Speaker 3: meeting or something like that, but there are still days
Speaker 3: where I get a lot of time to myself.
Speaker 2: Interesting and was it more challenging to keep track of
Speaker 2: the time sort of outside of work. I know a
Speaker 2: lot of people struggle on the weekends just because time
Speaker 2: is a little bit more amorphous.
Speaker 3: Then that's a good point. Yeah, I guess if I
Speaker 3: was out and about I certainly didn't check in as
Speaker 3: much as I did during the week, but I also
Speaker 3: have my calendar on my phone, so that was also
Speaker 3: helpful to prompt me to remember, you know what we
Speaker 3: did excellent.
Speaker 2: So as you were tracking your time, I mean, what
Speaker 2: did you like most about your schedule as you were
Speaker 2: looking back over it and say like, hey, this is
Speaker 2: really working.
Speaker 1: I mean, what were those things?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think definitely in the mornings kind of how
Speaker 3: I spend my morning time. I definitely am looking for
Speaker 3: ways to optimize that, but I think I have a
Speaker 3: pretty good routine when it comes to how I spend
Speaker 3: my pre work hours. Definitely after work, so I post
Speaker 3: work hours sometimes that's different. I'm trying to pack a
Speaker 3: lot into that time, and so that was interesting to
Speaker 3: tracking to see exactly what I was doing where I
Speaker 3: had more full days versus not.
Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit about your morning routine?
Speaker 2: I mean, what generally are you doing in your mornings?
Speaker 2: When do they start and when do you start work?
Speaker 2: And maybe you can talk us through one of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. So I get up fairly early around six.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I try to get up a bit earlier, but
Speaker 3: mostly thround the six to six thirty range, and I
Speaker 3: definitely prioritize working out, having a cup of coffee. And
Speaker 3: I think that was one of the biggest learnings from
Speaker 3: this experience is you know, there's so many there's a
Speaker 3: lot of content out there about morning routines, five am,
Speaker 3: miracle morning, all of that, And it was a good
Speaker 3: learning to me that I don't necessarily need to be
Speaker 3: getting up that early. If I'm getting in what I
Speaker 3: want to give on which for me is now a
Speaker 3: you know, fifteen step list, it's working out and having
Speaker 3: a cup of coffee, you know, get ready before work.
Speaker 3: So normally I try to start my mornings pretty consistently.
Speaker 3: Get up, get that workout in to get energy, have
Speaker 3: my cup of coffee, get ready. I normally start work
Speaker 3: around eight am, and then have lots of meetings, work time,
Speaker 3: all of that, and then normally in my day around five,
Speaker 3: sometimes a little bit after if I have other meetings.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So when Haley and I first talked, I mean, she
Speaker 2: mentioned possibly revamping her morning routine and getting up a
Speaker 2: little bit earlier so she had more time before work.
Speaker 2: But we talked about it so well, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: the only reason to have a longer morning routine is
Speaker 2: if you are not able to fit those things into
Speaker 2: other parts of the day. I mean there's upsides obviously
Speaker 2: to working out first thing in the morning, and that
Speaker 2: a lot of people find they have more energy then,
Speaker 2: or there's you know, fewer things that get in the way.
Speaker 2: You know, there's fewer work emergencies perhaps at six thirty
Speaker 2: am versus six thirty pm that you're going to be
Speaker 2: dealing with. But you know, said, there's no point in
Speaker 2: making a more elaborate morning routine just to do so, right,
Speaker 2: if you don't need to get up earlier to fit
Speaker 2: these things in your life, you don't have to. I mean,
Speaker 2: was that enough to change your mind?
Speaker 3: Definitely? Yeah. I think it takes the pressure off of
Speaker 3: needing to wake up super early just to pack, you know,
Speaker 3: pack things into the schedule. I think it's great to
Speaker 3: wake up when you need to and not have so
Speaker 3: much of a hectic morning when you can.
Speaker 2: Well and still two hours between when you get up
Speaker 2: and when you start work is not a short amount
Speaker 2: of time. I mean, that is a especially since you
Speaker 2: were working out pretty regularly, that's a pretty substantial morning
Speaker 2: routine already there. Yeah, well we're going to take one
Speaker 2: quick ad break, and then we're going to be coming
Speaker 2: back talking a little bit more about the things that
Speaker 2: Haley did decide to change in her schedule.
Speaker 1: Well, I am back.
Speaker 2: I am interviewing Before Breakfast listener Hailey, who lives in Texas,
Speaker 2: works for a tech company. As part of one of
Speaker 2: our longer episodes of Before Breakfast, Haley agreed to do
Speaker 2: a time makeover, so she kept track of her time
Speaker 2: for a week. She thought about what she liked, and
Speaker 2: then she thought about what she might want to change.
Speaker 2: So the weekend that you tracked, you had a pretty
Speaker 2: good active weekend, but you said that wasn't necessarily always
Speaker 2: the way things happen.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you could talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: Definitely, I think a lot of that ties into I
Speaker 3: do really like planning, but I wasn't necessarily planning my
Speaker 3: weekends as much as I would have liked. And I
Speaker 3: think that in the time log, having that busy weekend
Speaker 3: and coming out from that and knowing, you know, going
Speaker 3: into my week that was kind of an exciting weekend.
Speaker 3: It's at the stage I didn't have the Sunday scaries.
Speaker 3: Definitely a learning for me that you know, even if
Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily motivated to planning a weekend, being intentional
Speaker 3: about it is super important and really sets you up
Speaker 3: for success. So definitely a learning from that, and certainly
Speaker 3: something I learned from you, Laura is really focusing in
Speaker 3: on that double plan right, So yeah, why.
Speaker 2: Don't you talk about what the double planning means? There
Speaker 2: may be some before Breakfast listeners who haven't heard that episode.
Speaker 3: So definitely if you haven't done it before, it's certainly magical.
Speaker 3: So what you do is, you know, planning on friday's
Speaker 3: very normal, very standard, and during that Friday plan you're
Speaker 3: firming up your plans for the upcoming weekend and you're
Speaker 3: planning the rest of that week to come, but you're
Speaker 3: also doing a plan for that following weekend. And what's
Speaker 3: great about that is you know, on Friday you can
Speaker 3: make some decisions for a future you and then when
Speaker 3: you come to that next Friday, you've already thought through
Speaker 3: that next weekend. So it's really neat. So instead of
Speaker 3: you know, coming to it, coming to the planning and
Speaker 3: it's all blank and you don't know what to do,
Speaker 3: you already have a starting point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the double plan is because you know, if
Speaker 2: you plan on Fridays, that gives you an opportunity to
Speaker 2: look at the weekend twice because you're looking at the
Speaker 2: one that's coming up in eight to nine days, and
Speaker 2: you're also looking at the one that's coming up right then.
Speaker 2: So I always think of this as having a sort
Speaker 2: of vague, rough plan for the one eight to nine
Speaker 2: days in the future, and then a more solid one
Speaker 2: for the one that's right coming up exactly. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: when did you try doing that over the past few weeks.
Speaker 2: Has that been something that's you know, been helpful for you.
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, it's now fully into my routine. I don't
Speaker 3: think I could live without it now. But it's it's
Speaker 3: great to really see that full view of your week.
Speaker 3: Also have the weekends and be confident that you're going
Speaker 3: into the weekends with something fun, things to look forward to.
Speaker 2: So, what's something that you have put into your weekend
Speaker 2: that you've been looking forward to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one thing that I focused on is this idea
Speaker 3: of having something fun on Sunday evening. So I know
Speaker 3: a lot of us make it Sunday scar or at
Speaker 3: least kind of not wanting to go into the week
Speaker 3: just yet, but trying to extend that Sunday time by
Speaker 3: doing something memorable and kind of outside of the norm.
Speaker 3: So not just you know, sitting on the couch watching
Speaker 3: something or you know, scrolling on your phone. So instead
Speaker 3: on Sundays, what we've done is a Sunday game night,
Speaker 3: So my husband and I will play cards, or play
Speaker 3: a board game, or go outside on a walk, just
Speaker 3: something to kind of end the weekend on a high note.
Speaker 1: That sounds really fun.
Speaker 2: And then if you know what it is kind of
Speaker 2: ahead of time, you can look forward to it right.
Speaker 3: Exactly, yep, and plan some fun time, fun things around it,
Speaker 3: mocktails and fun food and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because certainly, I mean, one of the things that
Speaker 2: gives people the Sunday scaries is that you're starting to
Speaker 2: think of Monday by mid afternoon Sunday.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the only thing that is there in
Speaker 1: the future of your schedule.
Speaker 2: But if you have something fun on Sunday night, then
Speaker 2: you spend your time on Sunday afternoon looking forward to
Speaker 2: your fun on Sunday night, and so it makes it
Speaker 2: just kind of changes the mental picture of what the
Speaker 2: weekend looks like. Did you guys wind up doing anything
Speaker 2: with your Friday nights. I think you had mentioned that
Speaker 2: this was a potential you know, date night for you
Speaker 2: guys as well.
Speaker 3: Yes, kind of something to bookend the weekend and really
Speaker 3: kick off the weekend itself, and so really just being
Speaker 3: more mindful on that afternoon, that evening as well. So
Speaker 3: most of it is just kind of nothing fancy, but
Speaker 3: going for a walk, something to kind of mark the
Speaker 3: end of Friday, maybe going out for a drink or something.
Speaker 3: But that's been great to to kind of go into
Speaker 3: the weekend and close out the week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big fan of really enjoying the weekends
Speaker 2: and having things that you're looking forward to when you're planning,
Speaker 2: because you know, planning isn't just about planning and the
Speaker 2: things we have to do. It's also about planning in
Speaker 2: the things that we want to do.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Of course, not everything I suggest works people, So tell
Speaker 2: me a little bit about your the questions you'd had
Speaker 2: about housework and where that fits into your life and
Speaker 2: your schedule.
Speaker 3: Yes, so I know that housework is just a point
Speaker 3: of contention for a lot of people certainly need too.
Speaker 3: It has to be done necessary. Evil I had experimented
Speaker 3: with moving housework to a chunk of time an hour
Speaker 3: on Sundays, thinking that maybe that would help me throughout
Speaker 3: the week because I would get it out of the way.
Speaker 3: But when I experimented with it, I realized I immediately didn't
Speaker 3: like it. It just you know, I really didn't want
Speaker 3: to do housework on the weekends that's for relaxing, and
Speaker 3: ultimately landed back to my normal cadence of just fitting
Speaker 3: it in during the week. So that was definitely a
Speaker 3: big learning that experimenting is good, but don't change something
Speaker 3: if it's working for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so the idea had been I mean,
Speaker 2: one of the bits of advice I often give people
Speaker 2: about concentrating housework and one chunk of time t is
Speaker 2: so that it isn't always an option through your whole schedule.
Speaker 2: But partly I think this is often I'm giving this
Speaker 2: advice to people with, say other household members, who create
Speaker 2: lots of messes that you didn't create. Right, So if
Speaker 2: your house stays clean once you clean it, then it's
Speaker 2: not always an option to be getting up and putting
Speaker 2: things away. So you know, it might work a little
Speaker 2: better for doing it in bits and pieces versus concentrating
Speaker 2: it at one point. But you know, if anyone's listening
Speaker 2: to this and saying like, well, I feel like I
Speaker 2: spend my life cleaning my house, you know you could
Speaker 2: try this too, right is that create a block of
Speaker 2: time on the weekend for doing the housework or maybe
Speaker 2: one week night if you have time then and then
Speaker 2: not have it be an option as much the rest
Speaker 2: of the time. But you know, it's some people it works,
Speaker 2: some people it doesn't. So I mean, what does it
Speaker 2: tend to look like you just are doing a little
Speaker 2: bit each night, or how does it wind up looking?
Speaker 3: Yeah, here and there. So I have a checklist just
Speaker 3: to make sure I cover kind of the bare minimum
Speaker 3: cleaning tasks i'd like to during the week. And if
Speaker 3: I have a moment while dinner's cooking, let's say, or
Speaker 3: you know, I have a bit of a lull between
Speaker 3: activities or things I'm doing, I'll just quickly get that done.
Speaker 3: I think it's helpful too, because sometimes there's time pressure,
Speaker 3: so it helps get me through the task quickly, but
Speaker 3: I still get it done.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, a lot of tasks will expand to
Speaker 2: fill the available space. You know, housework's definitely one of them.
Speaker 2: Email is probably one of them as well, So limiting
Speaker 2: things like that is definitely good. Well, I'm going to
Speaker 2: take one more quick ad break and then we'll be
Speaker 2: back with a little bit more from Haley about what
Speaker 2: she saw with her time. Well, I am back interviewing Haley,
Speaker 2: who is a Before Breakfast listener who tracked her time
Speaker 2: and tried a few different strategies for changing things up
Speaker 2: here and there. So, Hayley, when you looked at your
Speaker 2: weekday evenings, this was an area that you thought maybe we.
Speaker 1: Could tweak a little bit.
Speaker 2: I wonder if you could talk a little bit about
Speaker 2: what weekday evenings in general tended to look like.
Speaker 3: Definitely. So, yeah, my weekday evenings were still pretty busy
Speaker 3: and almost kind of monotonous. Right you get out of
Speaker 3: the workday, you've had a long day, you're kind of
Speaker 3: just rolling into the normal routine of dinner and cleaning
Speaker 3: the house maybe and going to bed. So I wanted
Speaker 3: to make my weekday evenings more special, and so I
Speaker 3: was experimenting with this concept of having a day for
Speaker 3: me where I intentionally planned something that I'd like to do.
Speaker 3: So I picked Tuesdays. I thought that would be a
Speaker 3: nice kind of treat I guess in the middle of
Speaker 3: the work week to have some special time just for me.
Speaker 3: And shout out to my twin sister Hannah on this too,
Speaker 3: because we did this activity together to hold ourselves accountable.
Speaker 3: So I had brainstorm twitter ideas I think would be
Speaker 3: relaxing for me. It's something I could look forward to,
Speaker 3: so definitely on the active side, I love golfing. I
Speaker 3: know that seasonal, but going to the driving range and
Speaker 3: hitting some balls is definitely something I love, so that
Speaker 3: occurred sometimes on Tuesdays. I also had some other ideas
Speaker 3: too if I needed to stay closer to home or
Speaker 3: didn't have as much time, so I've gotten into coloring
Speaker 3: in a coloring book, so that's been great to have
Speaker 3: kind of an artistic outlet. Crocheting as well, write something
Speaker 3: to do with my hands so I can turn my
Speaker 3: brain off a little bit. So those have all been great.
Speaker 3: I'm adding to the list. I know sometimes you know,
Speaker 3: when you're in adult, hobbies can be hard to find,
Speaker 3: so I'm still on the journey there to add more
Speaker 3: fun to that fun list. But yeah, the Tuesdays have
Speaker 3: been really great to look forward to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm curious do you think you'll try to
Speaker 2: come up with something you want to do every day Tuesday,
Speaker 2: or do you think you'll, you know, continue with this
Speaker 2: experimenting with different things on Tuesday night.
Speaker 3: I might do a little of both. I definitely see
Speaker 3: the value in doing something the same thing that you
Speaker 3: can look forward to. I might also try, like workout
Speaker 3: classes outside of the house. I normally work out, you know,
Speaker 3: just just in my living room, but you know, going
Speaker 3: to a workout class or meeting people, meeting friends to
Speaker 3: go do something and doing that on a routine I
Speaker 3: think would really be great too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I often suggest that people take one night
Speaker 2: during the week to do something that is not work.
Speaker 2: It's not housework, it's not caring for family members, but
Speaker 2: something that you find intrinsically enjoyable. And by making it
Speaker 2: the same night every week, you don't have to sort
Speaker 2: of negotiate it every time. You don't have to think
Speaker 2: is this the night? Is this not the night? Do
Speaker 2: I have other things going on? You sort of just
Speaker 2: block this out and know you always have something to
Speaker 2: look forward to. And Tuesday worked well with your schedule, right, Haley,
Speaker 2: Because some other nights you were more likely to have,
Speaker 2: like later work commitments, but that was one that generally
Speaker 2: didn't have.
Speaker 1: Something exactly Yep, awesome.
Speaker 2: Well, I wonder if you think, I mean, do you
Speaker 2: think you will try tracking your time again in the future.
Speaker 2: I mean, was this something that was useful, or you know,
Speaker 2: do you think it's you now have a pretty good
Speaker 2: impression of life, or I'm curious where you'll go from here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I love doing the time log. It really
Speaker 3: holds me accountable. It's really great to see those learnings
Speaker 3: and even from a perspective of moving through different seasons
Speaker 3: of life. Right, you have that log of what you did,
Speaker 3: almost like a capturing memory. So I think I'll definitely
Speaker 3: do that periodically, just to see what I'm doing with
Speaker 3: my time, where I need to change, pivot that type
Speaker 3: of thing.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 2: So, Hailey, we always ask people if there is something
Speaker 2: you've done recently to take a day from great to awesome.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the tag line of this show.
Speaker 2: But I'm curious anything you've done recently that has been
Speaker 2: particularly great for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've started having different flavored sparkling waters in my
Speaker 3: fridge and it's kind of a nice treat during the
Speaker 3: workday or after the workday, something that's not just plain water.
Speaker 3: It makes it makes each day a little bit more fun.
Speaker 3: So I've really been enjoying that.
Speaker 1: That's really great. That's good.
Speaker 2: And since this is a productivity show, I guess I'll
Speaker 2: put you on the spot here. Do you have any
Speaker 2: productivity tips like during the workday that you use that
Speaker 2: have been helpful for you?
Speaker 3: Yes. Actually, I've realized I'm a pretty fast typer, but
Speaker 3: when a lot of information is coming at me or
Speaker 3: I need to think of things quickly, I'm also fast
Speaker 3: when I'm writing things down. So I have a notebook
Speaker 3: right beside my computer, and it normally has tasks that
Speaker 3: I need to do and I cross them off right
Speaker 3: to get that satisfaction. But I also use it to
Speaker 3: kind of brain up during the workday. So that's been
Speaker 3: great to kind of have this blend of the technology side,
Speaker 3: but also have the simple paper notebook.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, I'm a big fan of paper in general.
Speaker 2: I love to create a to do list on paper
Speaker 2: and then cross things off right.
Speaker 1: You get the little dopamine hit. It sounds like you
Speaker 1: do that as.
Speaker 3: Well, exactly. Yep, I love it.
Speaker 2: Awesome all right, Well, Hayley, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: joining us talking about how you spend your time in
Speaker 2: various tweaks you tried, and to all the people who
Speaker 2: are listening to this, thank you so much for listening.
Speaker 2: If you have feedback for me on this episode or
Speaker 2: any other episode, let me know. You can reach me
Speaker 2: at Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. I will probably
Speaker 2: do some more listener time makeovers in the future, so
Speaker 2: if this sounded appealing to you, you can reach out to.
Speaker 1: Me and we will.
Speaker 2: Set up a time to talk. And in the meantime,
Speaker 2: this is Laura. Thanks for listening and here's to making
Speaker 2: the most of our time. Thanks for listening to Before Breakfast.
Speaker 2: If you've got questions, ideas, or feedback, you can reach
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