WEBVTT - #406 Packers Unscripted: Player profiles 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:35.120 M m m m m. Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.680 Unscripted from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, sitting 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.239 alongside my trusted colleague West Hodkowits were coming to you 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:46.000 here from our studios at Lambolefield in a belated Happy 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.440 Mother's Day to all the moms out there. I neglected 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.239 to mention that last week when we signed off, but 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.560 along those lines, West, you had a really nice piece 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.360 on our website over the weekend in celebration of Mother's Day, 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:04.160 to talking about the really poignant and well told story 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:08.200 of Kenny Clark and his mother Nicole and everything that 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.720 she went through to uh to raise her children, one 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.560 of whom is now a rising star in the NFL. 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:16.800 A really nice piece. If you haven't had a chance 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:18.480 to check it out, be sure to go on Packers 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.400 dot com and click on that. But just your overall 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.640 impressions of getting to talk to Nicole and talk to 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.720 Kenny about his back story and everything and how it 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:29.480 all came together, well, I just want to put this 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.320 out there is for a backstory to his backstory. The 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:33.880 reason why I wanted to do a story like this, 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.920 I've been wanting to write a Mother's Day story for years, 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.080 going back to my time at the Press Gazette. But 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:40.720 I wanted I didn't want to do it just to 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.160 do it, as I wrote an insider Inbox. I wanted 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.480 to find the right story. And this thing with Kenny 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.640 worked out great because actually I was thinking about doing 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.920 some kind of a profile on him late last season. 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.560 Well then obviously he ended up having the elbow injury. 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.160 He ended up missing the last three games, and then 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:57.720 once the season got done, I went up to him 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:58.840 in the locker room. I said, you know, I would 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.720 be really interested in writing a story about you and 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.960 your mom, because you know, if you know anything about 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.440 Kenny in in where he comes from in San Bernardino, 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.160 um it's not the best area. And obviously he lost 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.040 his father when he was nine. Uh, Kenny Senior still 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:16.160 incarcerated um in in the state of California right now. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.680 And that story has been told a lot. But the 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.880 story we didn't really hear about it, at least I 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.000 hadn't seen before, was how Nicole managed that as a 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.079 as a mother of four when her husband's now out 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.760 of the picture and she has to provide for all 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.400 these children. Not only did she provide in the monetary sense, 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.079 doing double shifts as a nurse in one of the 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.240 corrections facilities out there for women. She also had to 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.960 do it, you know, mentally, emotionally, and being able to 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:45.600 do that in an environment that sometimes can pull your 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:49.040 kids away from you. She understood the value of family. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:50.840 You know, she was not raised by her parents. She 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.520 was raised by her great grandmother. She didn't have her 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.040 parents in her life. She was on her own when 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.360 she was sixteen. If she ever got to that point 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:58.760 in her life, she wanted to make sure that the 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.600 dad was involved no matter what. And that's what she did. 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.640 And I thought her building that foundation for Kenny Jr. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.800 And her other three children was really set them up 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:11.040 for success. His brother, Kian now is actually at forty 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.959 State playing football. He has twin sisters that are currently 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.560 going to school to be nurses. There was a nephew 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.400 and a niece, a brother and a sister that she 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.720 also welcomed into their family. So providing that kind of 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:25.480 atmosphere and sort of sheltering her children from, you know, 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.799 some of the the things that could take you away 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.320 from your goals, Yeah, I thought was so important and 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.240 it's amazing to see the relationship they have today and 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.240 and really how important she is not only to Kenny 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.320 the player, but more importantly Kenny the person. Yeah, and 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.000 it sounds like she's certainly done her share of traveling 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.960 to football games and UH and being around for Kenny 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.040 and UH and his exploits on the field. One of 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.200 the pieces of that story I thought was really interesting 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:56.720 was how even with Kenny's father in prison and for 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.840 those who don't know, um, he was convicted of second 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:04.480 to murder, the family maintains his innocence. He maintains his innocence, 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.960 that he's been wrongly convicted in this. Unfortunately for them, 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.160 several appeals have not gone his way, so he does 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.560 remain in prison. But she made sure that not only 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.360 was he involved to a certain extent in in his 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.720 life and growing up, but that he was involved in 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:26.479 his recruiting at the process of you know, um finding 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.200 that college, finding the right scholarship and the right fit 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.479 for a college program. And um, you had some details 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:37.440 in there about recruiters from u c l A. Sitting 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:42.400 down in the prison with with Kenny's father. I find 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.960 that uh somewhat fascinating. Um, you know, but you talk 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:50.839 about you know, college coaches, recruiters doing their homework on 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.680 somebody and really getting to know the kid and the 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:55.760 family and everything like that. That was all part of 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:57.920 it for them as well. Yeah, Angus McClure, who ended 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.039 up being his defensive line coach at u c l A, 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:01.880 is also the recruiting coordinator. He was the one that 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.120 kind of took the lead on that went and met 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.520 with Kenny Sr. It's very interesting because Nicole, she's not 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.200 a football person. She she really didn't know anything about 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.840 the game until Kenny Senior was in prison and then 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.440 suddenly had to be sort of a shepherd for Kenny, 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:17.480 and now she was the one that was going to 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.040 have to sort of drive this recruiting process because more 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.160 than anything, she wanted her kids still does because Kenny 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.800 left early once her kids to get four year college educations, 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.000 and she wanted to make sure it was the right fit. 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:29.760 The football was great, but she wanted to make sure 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:31.719 the college was a good fit. U c l A 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.080 was worked out great because one it was in the area. 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:35.560 She was able to get to those games as you 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.680 talked about, but also felt like McClure and the coaches 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.640 that U c l A felt really invested in making 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:43.640 sure Kenny grew as a person in addition to as 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.760 a football player. Um And the bigger thing I kind 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.080 of looked for that I think is just so important 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.880 whatever happened with Kenny Sr. And in the situation that 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.599 that is, it is what it is, he's serving fifty 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:57.719 to life. They're still holding out hope that through some 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.880 different new evidence over years to um that maybe they 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.120 could get a new trial. But the thing is is 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.280 he had four children, and you want to make sure 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.000 that those four children, and I'm talking as a society, 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.599 not just as Nicole Clark the mother. You want to 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:14.040 make sure that those children are able to lead healthy 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:15.919 and productive lives. And I think that's one of the 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.000 things she really did a service to her children in 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.479 making sure they did have that open communication with their father, 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.440 because Kenny Jr. Was furious. He admitted it. When he 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.680 first was growing up, that's a tough time. He's nine 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.239 years old. He doesn't understand why his dad isn't there anymore, 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.839 and suddenly he's asked to be the man of the household. 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.680 So for them to have that relationship with him and 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.159 then him to be involved in the decision making process 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:38.719 to go to U C. L A. I think it 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.480 really galvanized that family. It really brought Kenny a sense 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.640 of direction. He talks to his dad frequently. He calls 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.720 before games Um. Last year when Kenny was the packer's 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:50.760 nominee for the Walter Payton Man of the Year award, 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.479 Kenny Senior did a video congratulating and how him on that. 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.440 So there's so many different things, so many different avenues 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.719 you can go down. But the charitable efforts the families 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.520 may the impact they're trying to continually make on the 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:06.440 San Bernardino area. Uh, it's something that that really has 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:10.240 been a calling for Kenny. And only twenty three years old, Michael, 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.160 He's gone through a lot in his short amount of 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.520 time and trying to find a way to help improve 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.239 the lives of maybe some of these less unfortunate children. 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.680 Is less fortunate children is is something that I think 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:22.920 is really important to him. In Nicole Well and I 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.200 think you know, when when we look back to that 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:30.560 terrible story from last December when all of the toys 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.800 for the annual toy drive were robbed, stolen out of 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.800 a storage shed or a garage type area and Kenny 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.320 was telling, you know, a group of reporters about that, 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.600 and you know, and this was what it was a 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:47.960 few days before before the whole Christmas toy drive and 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.640 these these toys were going to be distributed to all 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.520 of these you know, underprivileged kids in in the San 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.080 Bernardino area. It's you know, your heart just goes out 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.480 for stuff like that. And and then reading in your 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.559 story how you know a mom like Nicole working double 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.720 shifts and and to take care of her kids and 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.520 provide for them, and and Kenny even saying, you know, 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.160 it never felt like we wanted or needed, you know, 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.800 anything that that it was all there for us. You know, 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.680 we had presents at Christmas time, we had um family 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.960 activities and and things to do. So, UM, I hope 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.400 certainly that he can continue what he's doing in San 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.200 Bernardino with his mom and with his family members with 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.200 this annual toy drive. And hopefully I guess get some 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.280 better locks on the doors. I hate to, you know, 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.160 but yeah, they're not there anymore. That was at her 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.440 old house. UM, they would actually were in the process 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.040 of moving out of there. They still had the garage. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.880 They've since sold that. So next year. I'm guessing this 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.520 won't be the same issue hopefully. Yeah, they were able 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:45.880 to do. I believe it was a go fund me 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:47.599 or something to kind of rally to be able to 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.600 still get presents to kids. But it's just so interesting 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.800 listen to Kenny tell the stories because everything that he does, 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.160 she calls herself. I don't even know if she does. 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:57.760 I think some of the friends and family call her 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:01.320 the manager for Kenny in terms of handling. You know, 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.200 she's the lead person on his financials, but also any 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.520 of these type of you know, camps and clinics and 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.160 and drives that they run, she's involved with it, man. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.960 I mean, he talked about her his first football clinic 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.160 that he ran in the San Bernardino area. She was 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.040 cooking for everybody there. It's two hundred some kids. She 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.640 was the one that was providing all the food and everything. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:22.960 I mean, that's just the way she's wired. She wants 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.320 to give back. One of her big things now that 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.760 she's looking to do independently is to put together a 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.280 facility um for the for the disabled in the San 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:36.520 Bernardino area, people that have had difficulties. I mean, hearing 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:38.160 some of the stories they didn't make it into the story, 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.839 and the written story some of the stories about what 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:42.880 she encountered when she was at the prison and the 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.040 people that she worked with. She's seen it because in 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.319 some reguards, she's lived it with her husband, been being incarcerated, 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.679 with them still being together. As she said, I mean, 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.000 these are human beings, They're not dogs. I mean you 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.080 have to treat people like they are people. In the 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.320 hope being is that if you give them a semblance 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.880 of hope, they're gonna want to correct their ways. And 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.240 I just think you can't have enough Nicole Clark's in 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.079 the world. That's the reason why we wrote the story. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.280 And hopefully if you checked it out, um, you know, 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.719 maybe a little bit inspired to by her story, her 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.880 perseverance and you know the kids that she's raised today. Yeah, 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.800 no question about it. And uh and obviously we'll be 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.240 looking to see just where Kenny Clark's football career goes 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.400 from here, because it looks like he hasn't even scratched 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.920 where he might be when this is all said. Where 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:30.000 were you when you were twenty three, Michael? I was no. 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:31.760 I was actually out of grad school with then I 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.760 was working at the wasaw Daily Hero the But I 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.640 mean for Kenny to be a third year veteran, just 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.040 got his fifth year option picked up. I mean, everything's 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.880 going so well for him professionally, but as Nicole said, 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:43.559 he still needs to make sure he ties in church 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.400 every Sunday, needs to make sure he's finding ways to 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.120 give back because there's some people that haven't been as 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.640 fortunate for him to like him to find a way out. Yeah, 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.800 alrighty well, I'll take care of a little bit of 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.720 sponsored business here west. The Green Bay Packers get ready 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.800 for game day with the powerful noise canceling technology of 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.120 Bo's Quiet Comfort three five headphones. To learn more at 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:06.760 www dot bos dot com, Slash Packers Bows the official 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.480 headphones of the Green Bay Packers, and at Homer. 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One of those 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:49.080 that was posted on the website on Monday was on 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:53.160 Tye Summer's the linebacker from TCU seventh round pick was 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.520 the eighth and final pick that the Packers made in 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.760 the draft. Has a really interesting story because anytime you 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:05.439 come across someone who whose football career was headed down 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.040 the path of being a quarterback, but then they end 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.760 up doing something completely different but still make it to 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:14.360 the NFL playing a completely different position, it's always a 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.160 fun story. And and Summers is one of those guys. 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.840 He was a star dual threat quarterback in high school, 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:22.840 ran for a lot of touchdowns, through for a lot 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:28.480 of touchdowns. But his offers to play quarterback were from Rice, 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:33.439 the military academies, UM places like that, and certain Ivy 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.760 League schools he mentioned as well, so certainly nothing to 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:40.560 sneeze at there, but he got an opportunity. TCU was 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:45.960 interested in him to play linebacker, and his initial thought was, well, 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.240 Gary Patterson and defense in the Big twelve, Yeah, why 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.480 the heck not? And so he uh, you know, as 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.080 I said in the story, he has a lot of 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.400 faith in his faith, and he knew that, hey, this 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:00.200 is gonna work out, this will be the right thing 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.480 for me. I've got faith, I've got trust in it, 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.959 and it has. He had a very very impressive career 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.920 as a linebacker at TCU for Gary Patterson and now 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.720 here he is in the NFL with Green Bay. Yeah. 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.960 I mean, he's a quintessential seventh round pick. I mean, 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:14.640 how many times have you and I talked about you 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.480 look for if you if you're in the seventh round. 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:20.240 These are guys that, from a fundamental standpoint, probably have 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.520 some flaws to their game, but some areas that you 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.960 want to develop. You look at his forty four point 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.800 five one seconds twenty seven bench reps, all the other 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.200 things that he did at his pro day and being 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.199 able to show what he can, you know, offer teams 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.880 from an athletic standpoint, he hits all the targets in 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.120 that regard. The other thing I really love about him 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.360 is He's the true statement of an athlete. Uh We 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.440 we talked about it on draft night. You heard the 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.120 stories a little bit about how Okay, when things got 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.080 really rough for TCU and they needed him to step 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.360 in as an edge rusher, as a defensive end, he 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.360 did that and I kind of wrote it off like Okay, cool, whatever, 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.079 I mean, he did what he had to do. Then 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.880 when I saw him in person in the locker room, 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.360 I'm like, that's an inside linebacker. There's no You're not 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.120 gonna get anything confused in terms of where his position 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.559 is supposed to be. But for him to still play 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.559 that spot and hold up, you know, his end of 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.720 the bargain there. I think that says a lot about 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.400 what TCUs coaches thought of him and really what he 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.040 provides a defense and as the Packers also hope on 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.839 special teams, and as you mentioned, getting back to the 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.440 quarterback thing, a lot of times you do see guys 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.440 that really do you know, your top players in high 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.760 school A lot of times are quarterbacks. That's just the 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.240 position they want to play and it's the position that 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.600 the team needs them to be at best athlete have 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.840 the ball in their hands as much as possible, exactly. 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.480 But with Summers, you understand a little bit, learning his background, 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.880 learning where he came from, and especially being in the 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.560 state of Texas exactly, probably the upside that was there, 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.160 and he doesn't back away from it. He thinks he 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:44.920 probably could have tried to make it in the league 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.280 as a u f A, but his best position was linebacker. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.800 He has that knowledge behind him. He keeps that in 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:52.760 the back of his mind. This is a smart guy 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:54.520 that has a lot going for him. And now we'll 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.200 try his hand at, you know, making a career for 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.720 himself in the NFL is and as an inside guy. Yeah, 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:00.760 and this is a guy that has a red shirt freshman. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.480 I believe he had twenty three or twenty four tackles 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.520 in a game for TCU when he was really just 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:11.000 still learning the linebacker position. I'm curious to see just 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.840 because of the body type, those combined testing numbers that 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:19.080 you mentioned, Um, I'm really curious to see how he 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.480 adjust to potential special team's role in the NFL. He 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.480 looks to me like one of these guys who can 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:29.040 be a you know, all what they call the four 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.800 core you know, on all four of the major special teams. 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.680 Units as far as coverage and returns and can really 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:36.680 make an impact there with that, with that type of 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.880 athletic ability, I don't want to write him off completely 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.200 on defense yet, but you said it, West, He's he's 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.160 a seventh round pick. He's at a position where the 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.720 Packers at Blake Martinez, you have Orn Berks was a 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.360 third round pick last year. You have various safeties who 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:55.160 are playing this hybrid linebacker safety spot. But special teams 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.120 is a place that the Packers know they want to upgrade, 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.360 they need to do better there. It's it's the phase 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.000 that that is going to get a lot of attention here, 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.000 and this is a guy who could really do something. 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.000 If you're a seventh round pick, you better be able 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.520 to play special teams. That just comes with the territory. Heck, 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:11.080 if you're a second rounder, a lot of times you 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:12.920 need to be able to play there too, and I 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.200 think Summers embraces that. And at six, he has the 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.960 perfect body type. That tight end inside linebacker body type 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.560 is what you often look for as those core four units, 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.840 and I think he presents that the Packers. As I 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.160 wrote an inbox this past week, I think there's gonna 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.000 be two or three guys that are gonna make this roster, 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:31.600 maybe new to the roster this year, strictly based on 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.440 special teams alone. It's a big point of emphasis that 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:36.800 for them this season, wanted to make sure they find 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.720 the right guys for those units, not just trying to 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.040 plug and play backups from other positions. So that's gonna 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:43.720 be really interesting and in treating to watch, And the 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:45.800 thing I really like about Summers is he has a 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:47.680 good head on his shoulders and he really seems eager 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.880 to show that he can belong and I think in 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:51.920 the long run that's gonna be something that helps him 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.920 and and if you know down the road defense presents itself, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:56.760 you know that that's gonna set you up for that 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:00.280 as well. Yeah. Well, another late round pick for we 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.000 have a story on the website if you want to 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.000 check it out as well, is the sixth round pick, 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.160 the cornerback out of Toledo, Kedar Holman. We talked about 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.280 him a little bit initially west when he was first 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.280 drafted about the odd jobs and stuff that you know, 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:17.159 and unloading dunkin donuts, trucks and and other things that 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.919 he's done. It's a really interesting story. And definitely a 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.760 player to follow here just in terms of how how 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:25.560 far he said to come just to get where he 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:26.879 is right now. Well, and we got a couple of 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.399 details last week talking to him about what those jobs are, 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:30.879 because it's one thing to just hear what it is 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.200 in terms of a label, but actually understanding what they 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.920 required is a little different. And you know, first off 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.639 with the unloading the trucks as a driver's assistant. You know, 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.160 he's going around the Tri state area there long days 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.239 to begin with. Your whole goal is you got your 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.520 semi truck and you've got to unload all this you 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.199 know stuff to all these different coffee shops around the area. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.560 And then if weather got bad, which as you know 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:55.159 New York, New Jersey, Connecticut it can. Uh, they just 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.280 put you up in a hotel and you're then rooming 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.800 with this basically a stranger, uh that that you didn't 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.280 know before this trip. Uh. He did that for two 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.680 weeks and then you know, moved on. He also had 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.760 a job as a bread factory, basically just sitting in 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.439 a line making sure that everything is up to you know, 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.480 what it needs to be to go out to the 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:17.439 public and making sure everything was edible and whatnot. Different 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.040 type of job in terms of he wasn't traveling, but 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.280 in this point you're just standing in one place. Did 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.360 that for two weeks too, he said, he did pick 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.560 up a deli job before he went to college. When 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.800 he got his opportunity to Toledo, that was probably the 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.360 one he enjoyed the most. But all of those experiences 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.840 taught him. Even though he had a lot of things 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.800 to overcome in terms of academics, in terms his set scores, 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.439 he knew in that moment he needed to get to 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.240 college and he wanted to play football. He knew he 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.080 could play Division one football, and then Toledo gave him 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.360 the opportunity as a walk on. Two years later too, 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.960 and half years later ends up getting a scholarship, and 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.480 now he finds himself in the NFL. It's quite the journey. Well, 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.760 I'm sure before too long he'd like to start talking 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:56.960 more about what he's doing on the field as post 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:00.960 these odd jobs that that he was was handling in 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.439 order to try to get that scholarship or get that 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:08.159 Division one football opportunity. But quickly, before we go in 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.920 the subject of odd jobs, what what one in your 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.879