Speaker 1: M m m m m. Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers
Speaker 1: Unscripted from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, sitting
Speaker 1: alongside my trusted colleague West Hodkowits were coming to you
Speaker 1: here from our studios at Lambolefield in a belated Happy
Speaker 1: Mother's Day to all the moms out there. I neglected
Speaker 1: to mention that last week when we signed off, but
Speaker 1: along those lines, West, you had a really nice piece
Speaker 1: on our website over the weekend in celebration of Mother's Day,
Speaker 1: to talking about the really poignant and well told story
Speaker 1: of Kenny Clark and his mother Nicole and everything that
Speaker 1: she went through to uh to raise her children, one
Speaker 1: of whom is now a rising star in the NFL.
Speaker 1: A really nice piece. If you haven't had a chance
Speaker 1: to check it out, be sure to go on Packers
Speaker 1: dot com and click on that. But just your overall
Speaker 1: impressions of getting to talk to Nicole and talk to
Speaker 1: Kenny about his back story and everything and how it
Speaker 1: all came together, well, I just want to put this
Speaker 1: out there is for a backstory to his backstory. The
Speaker 1: reason why I wanted to do a story like this,
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to write a Mother's Day story for years,
Speaker 1: going back to my time at the Press Gazette. But
Speaker 1: I wanted I didn't want to do it just to
Speaker 1: do it, as I wrote an insider Inbox. I wanted
Speaker 1: to find the right story. And this thing with Kenny
Speaker 1: worked out great because actually I was thinking about doing
Speaker 1: some kind of a profile on him late last season.
Speaker 1: Well then obviously he ended up having the elbow injury.
Speaker 1: He ended up missing the last three games, and then
Speaker 1: once the season got done, I went up to him
Speaker 1: in the locker room. I said, you know, I would
Speaker 1: be really interested in writing a story about you and
Speaker 1: your mom, because you know, if you know anything about
Speaker 1: Kenny in in where he comes from in San Bernardino,
Speaker 1: um it's not the best area. And obviously he lost
Speaker 1: his father when he was nine. Uh, Kenny Senior still
Speaker 1: incarcerated um in in the state of California right now.
Speaker 1: And that story has been told a lot. But the
Speaker 1: story we didn't really hear about it, at least I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen before, was how Nicole managed that as a
Speaker 1: as a mother of four when her husband's now out
Speaker 1: of the picture and she has to provide for all
Speaker 1: these children. Not only did she provide in the monetary sense,
Speaker 1: doing double shifts as a nurse in one of the
Speaker 1: corrections facilities out there for women. She also had to
Speaker 1: do it, you know, mentally, emotionally, and being able to
Speaker 1: do that in an environment that sometimes can pull your
Speaker 1: kids away from you. She understood the value of family.
Speaker 1: You know, she was not raised by her parents. She
Speaker 1: was raised by her great grandmother. She didn't have her
Speaker 1: parents in her life. She was on her own when
Speaker 1: she was sixteen. If she ever got to that point
Speaker 1: in her life, she wanted to make sure that the
Speaker 1: dad was involved no matter what. And that's what she did.
Speaker 1: And I thought her building that foundation for Kenny Jr.
Speaker 1: And her other three children was really set them up
Speaker 1: for success. His brother, Kian now is actually at forty
Speaker 1: State playing football. He has twin sisters that are currently
Speaker 1: going to school to be nurses. There was a nephew
Speaker 1: and a niece, a brother and a sister that she
Speaker 1: also welcomed into their family. So providing that kind of
Speaker 1: atmosphere and sort of sheltering her children from, you know,
Speaker 1: some of the the things that could take you away
Speaker 1: from your goals, Yeah, I thought was so important and
Speaker 1: it's amazing to see the relationship they have today and
Speaker 1: and really how important she is not only to Kenny
Speaker 1: the player, but more importantly Kenny the person. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it sounds like she's certainly done her share of traveling
Speaker 1: to football games and UH and being around for Kenny
Speaker 1: and UH and his exploits on the field. One of
Speaker 1: the pieces of that story I thought was really interesting
Speaker 1: was how even with Kenny's father in prison and for
Speaker 1: those who don't know, um, he was convicted of second
Speaker 1: to murder, the family maintains his innocence. He maintains his innocence,
Speaker 1: that he's been wrongly convicted in this. Unfortunately for them,
Speaker 1: several appeals have not gone his way, so he does
Speaker 1: remain in prison. But she made sure that not only
Speaker 1: was he involved to a certain extent in in his
Speaker 1: life and growing up, but that he was involved in
Speaker 1: his recruiting at the process of you know, um finding
Speaker 1: that college, finding the right scholarship and the right fit
Speaker 1: for a college program. And um, you had some details
Speaker 1: in there about recruiters from u c l A. Sitting
Speaker 1: down in the prison with with Kenny's father. I find
Speaker 1: that uh somewhat fascinating. Um, you know, but you talk
Speaker 1: about you know, college coaches, recruiters doing their homework on
Speaker 1: somebody and really getting to know the kid and the
Speaker 1: family and everything like that. That was all part of
Speaker 1: it for them as well. Yeah, Angus McClure, who ended
Speaker 1: up being his defensive line coach at u c l A,
Speaker 1: is also the recruiting coordinator. He was the one that
Speaker 1: kind of took the lead on that went and met
Speaker 1: with Kenny Sr. It's very interesting because Nicole, she's not
Speaker 1: a football person. She she really didn't know anything about
Speaker 1: the game until Kenny Senior was in prison and then
Speaker 1: suddenly had to be sort of a shepherd for Kenny,
Speaker 1: and now she was the one that was going to
Speaker 1: have to sort of drive this recruiting process because more
Speaker 1: than anything, she wanted her kids still does because Kenny
Speaker 1: left early once her kids to get four year college educations,
Speaker 1: and she wanted to make sure it was the right fit.
Speaker 1: The football was great, but she wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: the college was a good fit. U c l A
Speaker 1: was worked out great because one it was in the area.
Speaker 1: She was able to get to those games as you
Speaker 1: talked about, but also felt like McClure and the coaches
Speaker 1: that U c l A felt really invested in making
Speaker 1: sure Kenny grew as a person in addition to as
Speaker 1: a football player. Um And the bigger thing I kind
Speaker 1: of looked for that I think is just so important
Speaker 1: whatever happened with Kenny Sr. And in the situation that
Speaker 1: that is, it is what it is, he's serving fifty
Speaker 1: to life. They're still holding out hope that through some
Speaker 1: different new evidence over years to um that maybe they
Speaker 1: could get a new trial. But the thing is is
Speaker 1: he had four children, and you want to make sure
Speaker 1: that those four children, and I'm talking as a society,
Speaker 1: not just as Nicole Clark the mother. You want to
Speaker 1: make sure that those children are able to lead healthy
Speaker 1: and productive lives. And I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: things she really did a service to her children in
Speaker 1: making sure they did have that open communication with their father,
Speaker 1: because Kenny Jr. Was furious. He admitted it. When he
Speaker 1: first was growing up, that's a tough time. He's nine
Speaker 1: years old. He doesn't understand why his dad isn't there anymore,
Speaker 1: and suddenly he's asked to be the man of the household.
Speaker 1: So for them to have that relationship with him and
Speaker 1: then him to be involved in the decision making process
Speaker 1: to go to U C. L A. I think it
Speaker 1: really galvanized that family. It really brought Kenny a sense
Speaker 1: of direction. He talks to his dad frequently. He calls
Speaker 1: before games Um. Last year when Kenny was the packer's
Speaker 1: nominee for the Walter Payton Man of the Year award,
Speaker 1: Kenny Senior did a video congratulating and how him on that.
Speaker 1: So there's so many different things, so many different avenues
Speaker 1: you can go down. But the charitable efforts the families
Speaker 1: may the impact they're trying to continually make on the
Speaker 1: San Bernardino area. Uh, it's something that that really has
Speaker 1: been a calling for Kenny. And only twenty three years old, Michael,
Speaker 1: He's gone through a lot in his short amount of
Speaker 1: time and trying to find a way to help improve
Speaker 1: the lives of maybe some of these less unfortunate children.
Speaker 1: Is less fortunate children is is something that I think
Speaker 1: is really important to him. In Nicole Well and I
Speaker 1: think you know, when when we look back to that
Speaker 1: terrible story from last December when all of the toys
Speaker 1: for the annual toy drive were robbed, stolen out of
Speaker 1: a storage shed or a garage type area and Kenny
Speaker 1: was telling, you know, a group of reporters about that,
Speaker 1: and you know, and this was what it was a
Speaker 1: few days before before the whole Christmas toy drive and
Speaker 1: these these toys were going to be distributed to all
Speaker 1: of these you know, underprivileged kids in in the San
Speaker 1: Bernardino area. It's you know, your heart just goes out
Speaker 1: for stuff like that. And and then reading in your
Speaker 1: story how you know a mom like Nicole working double
Speaker 1: shifts and and to take care of her kids and
Speaker 1: provide for them, and and Kenny even saying, you know,
Speaker 1: it never felt like we wanted or needed, you know,
Speaker 1: anything that that it was all there for us. You know,
Speaker 1: we had presents at Christmas time, we had um family
Speaker 1: activities and and things to do. So, UM, I hope
Speaker 1: certainly that he can continue what he's doing in San
Speaker 1: Bernardino with his mom and with his family members with
Speaker 1: this annual toy drive. And hopefully I guess get some
Speaker 1: better locks on the doors. I hate to, you know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they're not there anymore. That was at her
Speaker 1: old house. UM, they would actually were in the process
Speaker 1: of moving out of there. They still had the garage.
Speaker 1: They've since sold that. So next year. I'm guessing this
Speaker 1: won't be the same issue hopefully. Yeah, they were able
Speaker 1: to do. I believe it was a go fund me
Speaker 1: or something to kind of rally to be able to
Speaker 1: still get presents to kids. But it's just so interesting
Speaker 1: listen to Kenny tell the stories because everything that he does,
Speaker 1: she calls herself. I don't even know if she does.
Speaker 1: I think some of the friends and family call her
Speaker 1: the manager for Kenny in terms of handling. You know,
Speaker 1: she's the lead person on his financials, but also any
Speaker 1: of these type of you know, camps and clinics and
Speaker 1: and drives that they run, she's involved with it, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, he talked about her his first football clinic
Speaker 1: that he ran in the San Bernardino area. She was
Speaker 1: cooking for everybody there. It's two hundred some kids. She
Speaker 1: was the one that was providing all the food and everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just the way she's wired. She wants
Speaker 1: to give back. One of her big things now that
Speaker 1: she's looking to do independently is to put together a
Speaker 1: facility um for the for the disabled in the San
Speaker 1: Bernardino area, people that have had difficulties. I mean, hearing
Speaker 1: some of the stories they didn't make it into the story,
Speaker 1: and the written story some of the stories about what
Speaker 1: she encountered when she was at the prison and the
Speaker 1: people that she worked with. She's seen it because in
Speaker 1: some reguards, she's lived it with her husband, been being incarcerated,
Speaker 1: with them still being together. As she said, I mean,
Speaker 1: these are human beings, They're not dogs. I mean you
Speaker 1: have to treat people like they are people. In the
Speaker 1: hope being is that if you give them a semblance
Speaker 1: of hope, they're gonna want to correct their ways. And
Speaker 1: I just think you can't have enough Nicole Clark's in
Speaker 1: the world. That's the reason why we wrote the story.
Speaker 1: And hopefully if you checked it out, um, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit inspired to by her story, her
Speaker 1: perseverance and you know the kids that she's raised today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no question about it. And uh and obviously we'll be
Speaker 1: looking to see just where Kenny Clark's football career goes
Speaker 1: from here, because it looks like he hasn't even scratched
Speaker 1: where he might be when this is all said. Where
Speaker 1: were you when you were twenty three, Michael? I was no.
Speaker 1: I was actually out of grad school with then I
Speaker 1: was working at the wasaw Daily Hero the But I
Speaker 1: mean for Kenny to be a third year veteran, just
Speaker 1: got his fifth year option picked up. I mean, everything's
Speaker 1: going so well for him professionally, but as Nicole said,
Speaker 1: he still needs to make sure he ties in church
Speaker 1: every Sunday, needs to make sure he's finding ways to
Speaker 1: give back because there's some people that haven't been as
Speaker 1: fortunate for him to like him to find a way out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: alrighty well, I'll take care of a little bit of
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Speaker 1: thing going on on our website right now in terms
Speaker 1: of our stories West, We're going back to some of
Speaker 1: the interviews we got from the rookie mini camp a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. UM extending u UM some profiles
Speaker 1: on some of the Packers draft picks. One of those
Speaker 1: that was posted on the website on Monday was on
Speaker 1: Tye Summer's the linebacker from TCU seventh round pick was
Speaker 1: the eighth and final pick that the Packers made in
Speaker 1: the draft. Has a really interesting story because anytime you
Speaker 1: come across someone who whose football career was headed down
Speaker 1: the path of being a quarterback, but then they end
Speaker 1: up doing something completely different but still make it to
Speaker 1: the NFL playing a completely different position, it's always a
Speaker 1: fun story. And and Summers is one of those guys.
Speaker 1: He was a star dual threat quarterback in high school,
Speaker 1: ran for a lot of touchdowns, through for a lot
Speaker 1: of touchdowns. But his offers to play quarterback were from Rice,
Speaker 1: the military academies, UM places like that, and certain Ivy
Speaker 1: League schools he mentioned as well, so certainly nothing to
Speaker 1: sneeze at there, but he got an opportunity. TCU was
Speaker 1: interested in him to play linebacker, and his initial thought was, well,
Speaker 1: Gary Patterson and defense in the Big twelve, Yeah, why
Speaker 1: the heck not? And so he uh, you know, as
Speaker 1: I said in the story, he has a lot of
Speaker 1: faith in his faith, and he knew that, hey, this
Speaker 1: is gonna work out, this will be the right thing
Speaker 1: for me. I've got faith, I've got trust in it,
Speaker 1: and it has. He had a very very impressive career
Speaker 1: as a linebacker at TCU for Gary Patterson and now
Speaker 1: here he is in the NFL with Green Bay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a quintessential seventh round pick. I mean,
Speaker 1: how many times have you and I talked about you
Speaker 1: look for if you if you're in the seventh round.
Speaker 1: These are guys that, from a fundamental standpoint, probably have
Speaker 1: some flaws to their game, but some areas that you
Speaker 1: want to develop. You look at his forty four point
Speaker 1: five one seconds twenty seven bench reps, all the other
Speaker 1: things that he did at his pro day and being
Speaker 1: able to show what he can, you know, offer teams
Speaker 1: from an athletic standpoint, he hits all the targets in
Speaker 1: that regard. The other thing I really love about him
Speaker 1: is He's the true statement of an athlete. Uh We
Speaker 1: we talked about it on draft night. You heard the
Speaker 1: stories a little bit about how Okay, when things got
Speaker 1: really rough for TCU and they needed him to step
Speaker 1: in as an edge rusher, as a defensive end, he
Speaker 1: did that and I kind of wrote it off like Okay, cool, whatever,
Speaker 1: I mean, he did what he had to do. Then
Speaker 1: when I saw him in person in the locker room,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's an inside linebacker. There's no You're not
Speaker 1: gonna get anything confused in terms of where his position
Speaker 1: is supposed to be. But for him to still play
Speaker 1: that spot and hold up, you know, his end of
Speaker 1: the bargain there. I think that says a lot about
Speaker 1: what TCUs coaches thought of him and really what he
Speaker 1: provides a defense and as the Packers also hope on
Speaker 1: special teams, and as you mentioned, getting back to the
Speaker 1: quarterback thing, a lot of times you do see guys
Speaker 1: that really do you know, your top players in high
Speaker 1: school A lot of times are quarterbacks. That's just the
Speaker 1: position they want to play and it's the position that
Speaker 1: the team needs them to be at best athlete have
Speaker 1: the ball in their hands as much as possible, exactly.
Speaker 1: But with Summers, you understand a little bit, learning his background,
Speaker 1: learning where he came from, and especially being in the
Speaker 1: state of Texas exactly, probably the upside that was there,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't back away from it. He thinks he
Speaker 1: probably could have tried to make it in the league
Speaker 1: as a u f A, but his best position was linebacker.
Speaker 1: He has that knowledge behind him. He keeps that in
Speaker 1: the back of his mind. This is a smart guy
Speaker 1: that has a lot going for him. And now we'll
Speaker 1: try his hand at, you know, making a career for
Speaker 1: himself in the NFL is and as an inside guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is a guy that has a red shirt freshman.
Speaker 1: I believe he had twenty three or twenty four tackles
Speaker 1: in a game for TCU when he was really just
Speaker 1: still learning the linebacker position. I'm curious to see just
Speaker 1: because of the body type, those combined testing numbers that
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Um, I'm really curious to see how he
Speaker 1: adjust to potential special team's role in the NFL. He
Speaker 1: looks to me like one of these guys who can
Speaker 1: be a you know, all what they call the four
Speaker 1: core you know, on all four of the major special teams.
Speaker 1: Units as far as coverage and returns and can really
Speaker 1: make an impact there with that, with that type of
Speaker 1: athletic ability, I don't want to write him off completely
Speaker 1: on defense yet, but you said it, West, He's he's
Speaker 1: a seventh round pick. He's at a position where the
Speaker 1: Packers at Blake Martinez, you have Orn Berks was a
Speaker 1: third round pick last year. You have various safeties who
Speaker 1: are playing this hybrid linebacker safety spot. But special teams
Speaker 1: is a place that the Packers know they want to upgrade,
Speaker 1: they need to do better there. It's it's the phase
Speaker 1: that that is going to get a lot of attention here,
Speaker 1: and this is a guy who could really do something.
Speaker 1: If you're a seventh round pick, you better be able
Speaker 1: to play special teams. That just comes with the territory. Heck,
Speaker 1: if you're a second rounder, a lot of times you
Speaker 1: need to be able to play there too, and I
Speaker 1: think Summers embraces that. And at six, he has the
Speaker 1: perfect body type. That tight end inside linebacker body type
Speaker 1: is what you often look for as those core four units,
Speaker 1: and I think he presents that the Packers. As I
Speaker 1: wrote an inbox this past week, I think there's gonna
Speaker 1: be two or three guys that are gonna make this roster,
Speaker 1: maybe new to the roster this year, strictly based on
Speaker 1: special teams alone. It's a big point of emphasis that
Speaker 1: for them this season, wanted to make sure they find
Speaker 1: the right guys for those units, not just trying to
Speaker 1: plug and play backups from other positions. So that's gonna
Speaker 1: be really interesting and in treating to watch, And the
Speaker 1: thing I really like about Summers is he has a
Speaker 1: good head on his shoulders and he really seems eager
Speaker 1: to show that he can belong and I think in
Speaker 1: the long run that's gonna be something that helps him
Speaker 1: and and if you know down the road defense presents itself,
Speaker 1: you know that that's gonna set you up for that
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah. Well, another late round pick for we
Speaker 1: have a story on the website if you want to
Speaker 1: check it out as well, is the sixth round pick,
Speaker 1: the cornerback out of Toledo, Kedar Holman. We talked about
Speaker 1: him a little bit initially west when he was first
Speaker 1: drafted about the odd jobs and stuff that you know,
Speaker 1: and unloading dunkin donuts, trucks and and other things that
Speaker 1: he's done. It's a really interesting story. And definitely a
Speaker 1: player to follow here just in terms of how how
Speaker 1: far he said to come just to get where he
Speaker 1: is right now. Well, and we got a couple of
Speaker 1: details last week talking to him about what those jobs are,
Speaker 1: because it's one thing to just hear what it is
Speaker 1: in terms of a label, but actually understanding what they
Speaker 1: required is a little different. And you know, first off
Speaker 1: with the unloading the trucks as a driver's assistant. You know,
Speaker 1: he's going around the Tri state area there long days
Speaker 1: to begin with. Your whole goal is you got your
Speaker 1: semi truck and you've got to unload all this you
Speaker 1: know stuff to all these different coffee shops around the area.
Speaker 1: And then if weather got bad, which as you know
Speaker 1: New York, New Jersey, Connecticut it can. Uh, they just
Speaker 1: put you up in a hotel and you're then rooming
Speaker 1: with this basically a stranger, uh that that you didn't
Speaker 1: know before this trip. Uh. He did that for two
Speaker 1: weeks and then you know, moved on. He also had
Speaker 1: a job as a bread factory, basically just sitting in
Speaker 1: a line making sure that everything is up to you know,
Speaker 1: what it needs to be to go out to the
Speaker 1: public and making sure everything was edible and whatnot. Different
Speaker 1: type of job in terms of he wasn't traveling, but
Speaker 1: in this point you're just standing in one place. Did
Speaker 1: that for two weeks too, he said, he did pick
Speaker 1: up a deli job before he went to college. When
Speaker 1: he got his opportunity to Toledo, that was probably the
Speaker 1: one he enjoyed the most. But all of those experiences
Speaker 1: taught him. Even though he had a lot of things
Speaker 1: to overcome in terms of academics, in terms his set scores,
Speaker 1: he knew in that moment he needed to get to
Speaker 1: college and he wanted to play football. He knew he
Speaker 1: could play Division one football, and then Toledo gave him
Speaker 1: the opportunity as a walk on. Two years later too,
Speaker 1: and half years later ends up getting a scholarship, and
Speaker 1: now he finds himself in the NFL. It's quite the journey. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure before too long he'd like to start talking
Speaker 1: more about what he's doing on the field as post
Speaker 1: these odd jobs that that he was was handling in
Speaker 1: order to try to get that scholarship or get that
Speaker 1: Division one football opportunity. But quickly, before we go in
Speaker 1: the subject of odd jobs, what what one in your
Speaker 1: past is the one that stands out the most, that
Speaker 1: you take the most memories from. Yeah, I mean everybody
Speaker 1: has their first fast food job, right, I think you
Speaker 1: did as well, Dirry Queen in high school. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had my first at McDonald's. And then, because you know,
Speaker 1: you're always chasing the dollars, I then moved up the
Speaker 1: ladder on and I worked at a you know, a
Speaker 1: meat shop for a little bit and cleaning up like
Speaker 1: carts in that you know, when you got you know,
Speaker 1: they they come through and you go through the process
Speaker 1: of the cow not living anymore, and then you have
Speaker 1: to you know, actually clean up all the stuff afterwards.
Speaker 1: I got a chance to do that for a year
Speaker 1: and a half. Then finally Mike vander Moss came calling
Speaker 1: and I can't was able to go to the green.
Speaker 1: I pressed cazette and didn't have to work those odd
Speaker 1: jobs anymore. So, uh yeah, but we all we all
Speaker 1: have them right there. What they are who shape us
Speaker 1: to be who we are today. Yeah, a couple of
Speaker 1: summers home from college, I actually worked on a painting crew.
Speaker 1: My uh um, my U s history teacher in high school.
Speaker 1: He sort of ran a little summer business of like
Speaker 1: painting houses to raise extra money for his family, and
Speaker 1: me and another buddy of mine, like we we kind
Speaker 1: of like latched onto his crew and did that. And
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's tough work, but I was also
Speaker 1: really thankful because then when I bought my first house
Speaker 1: in Green Bay and even my second house in Green
Speaker 1: Bay that my wife and I bought, I've painted like
Speaker 1: all the rooms and everything. Like I know, I it's
Speaker 1: like I kind of know how to do it. I
Speaker 1: didn't have to, you know, just try to do it
Speaker 1: by the seat of my pants, so to speak. I
Speaker 1: actually knew what I was doing to, uh, to make
Speaker 1: my house look at nicer on the inside. You and
Speaker 1: Kyler Facral that was Facrol's job. That's right, That's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll have to share some share some painting stories with
Speaker 1: with the outside linebacker from Utah stay here before before
Speaker 1: too much longer, But with that we will call it
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