1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Your tune's about Drive on your twenty four to seven 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: Hour number two of the Drive. Here on a Thursday, 4 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: having some fun getting excited for the start of the 5 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: NFL regular season this evening, and of course that means 6 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: the start of the Steelers season not too far away. 7 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: And with that, one of my favorite traditions all year 8 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: during the NFL s and is the Matt's Stats packet 9 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: that Matt Williamson sends them. Yeah, that's when you really 10 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: know you're getting the game day. That's when you know 11 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: things are getting serious. And you know, Matt a ton 12 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: here that is there a specific area that you want 13 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 2: to start? Well, I should have asked you that first 14 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 2: before we before we got before we got on. 15 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 3: This one is the probably the largest one in history, 16 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: the unabridged version. Much of this is on Steelers dot com, 17 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: by the way, folks, you can find it. It just 18 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: went up very recently. But this one was four thousand 19 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: word word document. I mean it was pretty extensive. It's 20 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 3: I think I started it before training camp even started. 21 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 3: I started just accumulating notes. You can you find something 22 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: boom at it at it at it. 23 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: Like halfway through training camp you sent me your initial, 24 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: like rough draft of this and you were like, Hey, 25 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: if there's anything you want to pull out of here 26 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: that we could talk about. 27 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: It something you want to chat about for a segment. 28 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: Here's some topics. 29 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: Well let's talk about Let's continue along the lines of 30 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: like point differentials and scoring points and how much it 31 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: can mean if this offense really takes a step forward, 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: because the line of demarcation is clear. When the Steelers 33 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: defense allowed nineteen or more points, this is a little frightening. 34 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: They've gone to and eight. Yeah, they went to and eight. 35 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: I should say, only give up nineteen, only gave up nineteen. 36 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: You still you only win twenty percent of your game eight. No, 37 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: when the defense gave up eighteen or less. And some 38 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: people might say, Wes, isn't that a defensive stat You 39 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 2: said you want to start here talking about the offense 40 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: and scoring No. 41 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: No, asking a team to get twenty points isn't that 42 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: much In today's NFL. 43 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 2: If your defense is holding a team to eighteen or fewer, 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: you should be winning every single game or ninety percent 45 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: of it right now. 46 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 3: Obviously, some of those ones when it was over nineteen 47 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: were well over nineteen. You know, if you give up 48 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: thirty five. I mean, I'm sure there were some bad 49 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 3: ones in there, we know that, but it shouldn't be 50 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: that stark where Okay, if we came to eighteen and 51 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 3: under we win, well most teams, do you know what 52 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: I mean, that's not the unusual part. Oh, the fact 53 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: that you're undefeated, well that's nice. But I mean the 54 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: fact that you know, eight under nineteen you win them 55 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 3: all isn't as crazy as allowing nineteen or more if 56 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: it was twenty five of like, oh yeah, okay, that's. 57 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: Twenty four twenty five. Absolutely yep. 58 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 3: So I know people give Mike tom On a hard 59 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: time about things, as every head coach gets, by the way, 60 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 3: but he knows these things. I mean we mentioned it before. Well, 61 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 3: if we give up nineteen points or more, we usually lose. 62 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: If we throw an interception, we usually loose. So he 63 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 3: coaches accordingly, you know, like people give him a hard time. 64 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: He's way too conservative. You know, he red red paint 65 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 3: that he has exactly right, he wasn't. I mean, Dale 66 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: and I talk about this all the time. When he 67 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: had Ben and Ab and Lev, they would score an 68 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 3: opening touchdown and go for two. You know what I mean, 69 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: Like he had a lot of paint and so he 70 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: tried a lot of different stuff. 71 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: He used to cosso back his palette. 72 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: I mean, if you have Trubisky and Duck and these 73 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: guys as your quarterback, and you know, if I'd let 74 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: up nineteen points and probably we're gonna lose, you got 75 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: to coach a certain way. 76 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: You absolutely do, and it makes a ton of sense. 77 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: And that is I mean, it's just that one stood 78 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: out to me when I started that those earlier this week. 79 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: Piggybacking off of that, we know that the the touchdown 80 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: numbers for the Steelers weren't certainly what we wanted them 81 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: to be last year. You and I have talked about 82 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: the amount of touchdown passes the Steelers have thrown in 83 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: their last fifty games being too low, the lack of 84 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: first quarter touchdowns, opening drive touchdowns. The Steelers did not 85 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: score a single touchdown on an on an opening drive 86 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: last year. 87 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 3: That's back even longer than last year. 88 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: It's been bad. It's been bad for for a while. 89 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: For multiple offensive coordinators, play callers, and quarterbacks. 90 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: And I know, I know I'm preaching to the choir 91 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: because That's one of the things you see Steelers fans 92 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: screaming about on social media all the time now. 93 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 3: That the world's aware they're under the microscope. Like, I 94 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: didn't make nothing would make me happy up here than 95 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: Steelers would turn the opening kickoff to the forty five 96 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 3: yard line. Rogers five plays later row as a touchdown, 97 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: even if they lose thirty to seven. After that, at 98 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: least be like, Okay, we don't have to talk about 99 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: that anymore. 100 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: We can be done talking about that. Since twenty fifteen, 101 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: the Jets have thirty games where they have not scored 102 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: an offensive touchdown. 103 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: Oh, this is crazy too. 104 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: Not only is that the most in the league, no 105 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: other team has more than nineteen. 106 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: I know, So that like, that's so bad, the whole 107 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: game without an offensive touchdown. 108 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 2: Thirty times in the last ten years. No one else 109 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: is even in the twenties. 110 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 3: No one's even close. So I bet a lot of 111 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: people are like, I bet the Steelers are right behind. 112 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: Oh they are not only seven for the Steelers only 113 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: the Packers and Eagles have fewer fewer. 114 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: So I mean, now, that's not a great thing to accomplish. 115 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: We scored a touchdow score a touchdown. Yeah, okay, great, 116 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: but compared to the rest of the league over a 117 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: long stretch, they're one of the best teams and the 118 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: Jets are by far the worst. Yes, real quickly, you're 119 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: talking about the touchdown thing somewhere in there. It's either 120 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 3: when the Steelers have the ball or the general stuff. 121 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: Such a low percentage of their points last year came 122 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 3: via touchdown. Now that's a compliment to Boz because he 123 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: never if he did, if he missed a lot. 124 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 2: More in one of the greatest seasons that a kicker 125 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 2: ever had. 126 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: Righteah, and he probably won't have as good a year. 127 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: I mean, if he has ninety five percent of that year, 128 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: you're still really happy. 129 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: It's the Saquon Barkley conversation you and I had when 130 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: we did Fantasy football mock shofts last week exactly. If 131 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: he has ninety percent of that year, it's still good, 132 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: still good. Don't expect him to repeat what he did 133 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: last year. 134 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: Barkley's best year as a pro. That's probably Boss's best year. 135 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: Yes, bro, probably, they're like historically great seasons for their positions. 136 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 3: Yes, but too much of their points came from non touchdowns, 137 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 3: you know, too higher. 138 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 2: Percentage completely completely agree. We touched on this a little 139 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 2: bit in the first hour, but just to fully cover it, 140 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh had the NFL's worst first quarter scoring differential last year, 141 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: minus three point nine, so basically the average four points 142 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: a game on average that they were trailing at the 143 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 2: end of the first quarter. 144 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 3: The first quarter, you're losing by four every game. I'm 145 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: not I mean, on average, it's terrible. 146 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: They averaged just two point seven points in the first 147 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: quarter last year, twenty ninth out of thirty two teams 148 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: in the NFL. 149 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: Which is real bad. But it's not as bad as 150 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 3: the d And that's that's. 151 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: The interesting I think. And you kind of, you know, 152 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: put me in line with this in the first hour 153 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: of the show as well too, where I kind of assumed, 154 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people assume that it's 155 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: just because the offense has been inept. 156 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, it was Arthur Smith Macanada. That's all there for, 157 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: you know, right, But no, it's worse than the. 158 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: D defense allowed six points six points in the first 159 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: quarter last season, thirty second out of thirty two teams, 160 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: dead last in the NFL. 161 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 3: Dead last. And I think the sentence after that is 162 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: it's the same thing as average per but the number 163 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: of points allowed in the first quarter was pretty They 164 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: were pretty distant second I mean Dallas was thirty one 165 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: or whatever. 166 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: Yes, and the Steelers allowed thirteen more were first quarter 167 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: points than than the thirty first place team. 168 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, I don't know what to exactly attribute that to, 169 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: but to be frank, I think you're crazy as a 170 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: coaching staff if you don't at least evaluate what you're 171 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: doing from the second the bell rings in week two 172 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: until the bell rings and winging three, you know, like 173 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: that whole week of prep. I think you at least 174 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 3: have to say, are we doing something wrong throughout the year, 175 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: Because what's kind of crazy is a lot of fans 176 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 3: will say this team doesn't know how to adjust, they 177 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: don't know how to game plan, blah blah blah. It's 178 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: not really true. Look at the third quarter. They're awesome 179 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 3: in the third quarter. 180 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: Plus sixty eight scoring differential last year, which was like 181 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: the Tava League. 182 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: Right. 183 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: That tells me that they know how to make adjustments 184 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 2: and tweaks at halftime. 185 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 3: Right. Yeah. So I'm not like killing the staff, you know, 186 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 3: but there's some there were some strong try that to 187 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: the start of the game, right, if you could get 188 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: a little of that at the beginning of the game 189 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: for whatever reason, and maybe it's just what we were 190 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: saying before they come out to conservative and we know 191 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 3: we can't throw a pick early, blah blah blah. But 192 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: no matter what, you've been starting games minus four after 193 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 3: the first quarter. And as we said yesterday, if I 194 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: had Burrow and Chase and Higgins like, all right, well, 195 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna tell Joe to throw it, well, I 196 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 3: don't want it to have to tell Mitch and Duck 197 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 3: the three you know, and the guys they've had, you know. 198 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: Completely agree, Yeah, completely agree. Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's first half point 199 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: differential negative twenty seven, second half differential plus sixty. 200 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 201 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 2: I mean again, that tells me that they know what 202 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: they're doing at halftime. Yeah, they get in there with 203 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: the grease board and here's how we're going to adjust, 204 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: and here's what they're trying to do. Here's how we're 205 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: going to counter. Great, but give me some of that 206 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: out of the gate as well. 207 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: Too, Yes, you need way more of it out of 208 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 3: the gate now to defend them. I think you could 209 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 3: also make the argument that their style of offense, run heavy, 210 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: heavier personnel, tackling nause Harris all day. Maybe it doesn't 211 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 3: pay off in the. 212 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: First two drive, it's also a great point, but by 213 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,359 Speaker 2: the third quarter. 214 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: And mental toughness, stamina, conditioning, physicality, traits that the Steelers 215 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: have had, like our whole life prioritize, right, Yeah, Like 216 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: I bet Jerome had more yards per carry in the 217 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: fourth quarter, right, right, right, So maybe it's a maybe 218 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 3: some of it. I'm not gonna say all of it. 219 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 3: I'm not here to excuse everything away because you can't 220 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 3: be the last and first quarter point differential is what 221 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 3: we do is a marathon, not a sprint, you know 222 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: what I mean? 223 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and that that part of it does make sense. 224 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 3: I think there is truth to that. 225 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: But let's have a little bit better of a start 226 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: to the marathon. 227 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's be last in the first quarter different and then. 228 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 2: We'll and then will really be in a good spot. 229 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: It's twentieth I would understand, don't be thirty second, correct, 230 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: I mean the Browns exist, the Saints exist to pay. 231 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 3: I mean there's a really bad team because everybody else 232 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: in that neighborhood is terrible. 233 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think This one really kind of paints 234 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: that picture. There have been sixty one teams to win 235 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: ten or more games in the NFL over the last 236 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: five years. 237 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, the last five years, startling. 238 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 2: Sixty This was the one that I had to read 239 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 2: it through like three times. When you when you saw 240 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: this earlier in the week. 241 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, we might have to say it twice because it's 242 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: a little hard to understand. But okay, sixty one teams 243 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 3: have won double digit. 244 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: Game in the last five years. Sixty one teams over 245 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: those five years, of. 246 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 3: One done more than one. 247 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 2: Have done it every year, right, you know, Eagles have 248 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 2: done it a bunch. 249 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: Of times exactly. 250 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: Of those sixty one offenses, Pittsburgh's offense over the past 251 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 2: two years ranks fifty ninth and sixtieth in yards per play. 252 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: Yeah again, let me let me repeat this, not just 253 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 2: for dramatic effect, but to make sure you're getting it. 254 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 2: Sixty one teams, sixty one offenses have won ten or 255 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: more games over the last five years. 256 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: They're good football teams. 257 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 2: The Steelers the last two years to teams that have 258 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: gone to the playoffs, right, their offense ranks fifty ninth 259 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 2: and sixtieth out of those sixty one teams. Yeah, that's insane, insane, 260 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: that is default. You want to talk about stats like I. 261 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: Think like Tomlin does not a coach, like you're giving. 262 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: Me that's a statistical anomaly that you could be that 263 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: bad on offense and still making the playoffs. 264 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 3: Right, you're the worst of good teams. I mean, like 265 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 3: everyone involved is a good team. 266 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: Sure, you know, and they want that's a good point 267 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: as well too. You won ten games. 268 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: You weren't garbage, right, I mean, you're the ugliest girl 269 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 3: to beauty prize to some degree. 270 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: You're the slowest. You're the slowest guy in the one 271 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 2: hundred meter final, right. 272 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 3: But they weren't good offenses. I mean maybe the team 273 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 3: when it was all said and time, clearly, but you 274 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: were the worst you would an offense. You know, steer, 275 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,599 Speaker 3: you rows the boat in this league. The fact that 276 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 3: you can get the double digits when you're at the 277 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 3: bottom is pretty crazy. 278 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: It's it's absolutely insane. 279 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: I mean, it's winning in the margins, and that's what 280 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 3: Tomlin's so good at, you know. And that's a hard 281 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: thing for average fan to notice. 282 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: Totally, right, right, right, But what's encouraging to me about 283 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: that is, if you don't have to win in the 284 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: margins anymore. 285 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like, just get a little better 286 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 3: and a lot of these categories that he's been so 287 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 3: good at since he became the head coach. I mean, 288 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 3: he gets all this there. I say this all the time. 289 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 3: There's fifteen human beings walking the planet that know how 290 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: to know how to win football games in this league. Now, 291 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: I'm not talking about the retired guys like Parcels that 292 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: I mean, they're gone. 293 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: You're talking Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin, Andy Reid eight. I 294 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: mean like Jim Yeah, Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh, Sorry, like Pete. 295 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 3: Carroll and the Raiders are going to New England this 296 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 3: week to play Vrabel and the Patriots. Those two teams 297 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: have been bad lately, but now they're gonna win in 298 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: the market. 299 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: They're not gonna win, They're not gonna win three games 300 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: a season, and they're with those coaches, right. 301 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: Right, Harbaugh, I said Peyton. Peyton's took over a terrible 302 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: team that was recovering from the Russell Wilson madness. It 303 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 3: wasn't bad as Watson madness. Nobody wanted that job, and 304 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 3: he went he goes eight nine his first year, and 305 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 3: now they're like, all right, give me my guys. You know, 306 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 3: like there's some dudes that know how to win in 307 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: this league, and a lot of it is just not losing. 308 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: It's raising that floor. 309 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 310 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: That's a very good way to put it. Is knowing 311 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: how to not lose. 312 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 3: From what I understand from people that were on Belichick's staff, 313 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 3: first staff meeting of the week every year, Okay, how 314 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 3: do we not lose in Pittsburgh this week? I know 315 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: how to win, you know, but like what things can 316 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: we lose? 317 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: We don't let Antonio Brown run wild, we don't let TJ. 318 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: Watt wreck our game plan. 319 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: Right, we can't have fifteen penalties or you know, turnover 320 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: obvious stuff. But then there's other things. 321 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: These guys value the ball. We're going to have to 322 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: really value the ball. 323 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: The Patriots under Brady and Belichick were the best team 324 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 3: ever at not losing games. Yes they were, because the 325 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 3: other teams will lose them for you sometimes when they 326 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 3: even at this level, Yeah, when they throw that curve 327 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 3: ball doesn't break, you better hit it out of the park, 328 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: you know, And they when they screw it up and 329 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: the Patriots did. 330 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: And just to put a bow on on this, Matt, 331 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 2: because we kind of referenced some of these earlier Steelers 332 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: plus nine and explosive play differential last that shocked to me. 333 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: And if you think about it, they hardly ever give 334 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: them up, and they didn't have a ton of them. 335 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: But George Pickens would give you a couple of years. 336 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: You know, I think both numbers gave you a couple 337 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: of numbers were kind of low. 338 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: Yes, Jets were plus two and explosive play differential that 339 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: sacked differential that you referenced Steelers minus nine Jets plus three. 340 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, not bad. 341 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: So that's another way pretty well if you could, if 342 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: you're if you're looking for past the victory for the Jets, 343 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: Steelers don't protect Aaron Rodgers. They do protect justin fields. 344 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: You know, they they sacked Aaron Rodgers three times and 345 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: the Steelers never get the justin fields. Would you say 346 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: the Jets were Jets were plus three in sacked differential. 347 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 3: That's Rogers. That's a good point. 348 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: Doesn't take That's been another one of your fists points 349 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: this offseason. 350 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 3: He will he's not going to take many sacks. 351 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: Two of the twelve projected teams with a starting new 352 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: starting quarterback in twenty twenty five, being the Jets and 353 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: the Steelers. Yeah, I told you earlier how I filled 354 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: in for Rob King with Max Starks. This morning on 355 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: in the Locker Room, Jerry Dulac told us first time 356 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: in NFL history that two starting quarterbacks are facing both 357 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: facing their former team in week one. 358 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 3: I speculated that on a different podcasts. I'm like, I'm 359 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 3: not going to look it up. There's been I can't 360 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: imagine it's happened more than there's. 361 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: Been a handful of times obviously that a quarterback has 362 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: played his former team in Week one, sure, but both 363 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: playing their former team in Week one. 364 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: That they started for in Week one. 365 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: First, first time that's happened. 366 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 3: I'm not shocked. I'm a little shocked. I'm a little shocked. 367 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 3: I know it was a really low number. 368 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, and so that is That's a pretty pretty 369 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: cool backdrop for all of this. Some more stuff that 370 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: I want to get into with you here from this 371 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: massive Matt stats packet will do that as we roll along. 372 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: Matt Williamson West Schuler. It is the drive here on 373 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network, your. 374 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: Tunes about drive on your twenty four to seven home 375 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation. 376 00:17:27,600 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: Radio, Matt, as we continue to roll through some stats here, 377 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: I want to focus on the signal callers, particularly the 378 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 2: Steelers signal callers, but we can get into some some 379 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: justin field stuff as well too. Any different, They could 380 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: certainly not be any different. That's a very very good point, 381 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: and just their style of play, and I think obviously 382 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: particularly where they're at in their careers as well too, 383 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 2: just justin field's not the young pup anymore, but certainly 384 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: not the veteran that Aaron Rodgers is. Matt. Aaron Rodgers 385 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: one thousand, one hundred and thirty seven yards, shy of 386 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: passing Ben Roethlisberger for fifth most passing yards in NFL history. 387 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 388 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: Also six touchdown passes, shy of passing Brett Favre for 389 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: fourth most all time. He's one of just five quarterbacks 390 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: to have five hundred career touchdown passes. 391 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's right there with Russell Wilson and Pat 392 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 3: Mahomes as the best touchdown interception ratio ever. I know 393 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 3: Wilson's three. I can't remember who's won right now, if 394 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 3: it's Rogers or Mahomes. 395 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: After this, I think they kind of go back and 396 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: four close. 397 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 3: I mean, we all know Aaron Rodgers is and he's 398 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 3: going to be forty two years old this year. I mean, 399 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 3: it's no shock that he's at the top of these 400 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 3: compiling lists, of course, but it's remarkable. Nonetheless, it certainly is. 401 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 2: In speaking of that, there's only been one quarterback in 402 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: NFL history that has started ten plus games at age 403 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: forty two or older, Tom Brady. Yes, Rogers turns forty 404 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: two in December, so late in the season. 405 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I must didn't put that in there because he's 406 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 3: not forty two. It's impossible for him to do ten 407 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 3: this year. But it gives you an idea, you know 408 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 3: what I mean, Like he's going to turn forty two 409 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 3: this year. If he decides to come back for another season, 410 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: Brady would be the only one that he could match. 411 00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: You know. 412 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: Yes, speaking of the guys do play later in the 413 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 3: life than they did when I was a kid. 414 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: Or in every sport right now? 415 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, really, I mean, Lena Ovechkin, if he didn't miss 416 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: those couple of weeks with his leg injury, would have 417 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 3: probably led the league in goals again this year. Wow, 418 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 3: you know ya is my agent? He hung where we 419 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: graduate high school the same year. 420 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 2: It's Lebron is a great example. Sidney Crosby is a 421 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 2: great example to you know, to stay in this town. 422 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: I mean a lot there was kind of like when 423 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: I was growing up. 424 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 3: And they're making more money than ever, absolutely right. They're 425 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: not sticking around because they're poor exactly. 426 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah, because they don't want to go to like 427 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 2: their second career laying floors or insurance. I don't think 428 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: he's worried about his future bank roll too much. 429 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 3: That is crazy though, but people are playing late. 430 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 2: Even like a lot of the you know, like athletic 431 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 2: skill based positions in sports. People used to think there 432 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: used to be this kind of like mindset of once 433 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: you turn thirty, it's done. 434 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 435 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, Look at Mike Evans is still put in thousand 436 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: yard reception seasons every year well into his thirties. 437 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 3: Cam Hayward, like sts, medicine and sports science. 438 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: I think that's a lot of it. They got to 439 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: their own personal trainers better than ever. They take care 440 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: of their bodies better than ever. 441 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of it. 442 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: They're not laying floors in the off season, like Jack 443 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: Lambert was, they're not working for moving companies in the 444 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: off season, like Craig Wolfly. 445 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,479 Speaker 3: Was, they monitor their sleep and hyperbolic chambers and crazy 446 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 3: stuff that I absolutely even comment on. 447 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: I don't know absolutely, Like I kind of remember that 448 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: old adage of growing up of like once you hit thirty, 449 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: you start to really regress. Not so much anymore, man, No, 450 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 2: I mean Jalen Ramsey's thirty right now, and I think 451 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 2: we are still very confident that he's doing it at 452 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: a high level. 453 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. 454 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 2: Where is it here? Of course I just had it 455 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 2: now the interception number reference to go. 456 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: Ahead time great quarterback. So I got a really good 457 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 3: question on my Peacock and Williamson mailbag this week about wanting, 458 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 3: you know how the Steelers say one helmet guys, you know, 459 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: like Ben was a one helmet dude, Troy, Troy, you 460 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 3: hope Cam looks like Cam's going to be, you know, EJ. 461 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 3: They want him to be a one helmet guy. And 462 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 3: I didn't really think of this. He's like it was 463 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 3: obviously a Steeler fan. Rode In is like, is Ben 464 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: going to be like the last one helmet quarterback that's 465 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: like a Hall of Fame type like, and he made 466 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 3: the joke, He's like, I can't wait for the Steelers 467 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 3: to sign Josh Allen or Mahomes in eight years, you know, 468 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: like they just signed Wilson and Rogers, you know what 469 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 3: I mean, like Dak Prescott here in another year or two, right, 470 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: you know, like if you look at all the all 471 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 3: time great quarterbacks far Manning, Brady blah blah blah, Rogers, 472 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: you know that of Lake. 473 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: The Elways and the Roethlisbergers are the exceptions. 474 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's not many in the last twenty years. 475 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 3: I mean since like the Marino Elway year era where 476 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 3: they actually start and finish with the same team Eli did, 477 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 3: like Rivers at the end, go the Rivers, Theos, the 478 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 3: Colt Stafford goes to the Rams. Like all these guys 479 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 3: are like hall of fame or borderline hall of famers. 480 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 3: Ben like the only one in two different teams. Yah, right, right, right? 481 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: You know that's an interesting point. 482 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 3: And and the point was we just assumed Lamar Mahomes 483 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 3: Alan Burrow will be on those teams for a decade. Sure, 484 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: but his tree doesn't really say they are. 485 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think anybody would have ever 486 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 2: thought that that Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and you 487 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: know that would have been that divorce and all that 488 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 2: that happened there. 489 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 3: I mean, like Manning might have, but he happened to 490 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: get injured badly the year that That's why came out. 491 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 2: That why that's why. That one's kind of a unique 492 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: scenario because he had a very serious injury at the 493 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 2: end of the draft and they had the first pick 494 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 2: in the draft with a generational type quarterback prospect coming out. 495 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 3: To what I said, I was like, if that was 496 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 3: the year that Miles Garrett was the best prospect, they 497 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 3: might have been like Peyton, let's roll back and with 498 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: draft Miles Garrett. You know what I mean. 499 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 2: If it wasn't the quarterback, if you made me guess 500 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: right now, Patrick Mahomes play his entire career. 501 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: For the Chiefs, I can't imagine. 502 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: I'm not he's I think with a franchise like that 503 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 2: that waited so long to win like this, right, they will. 504 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 2: They will let him Hong Kong. They will let him 505 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 2: hang around a year or two extra. Yeah, But like 506 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: Alan and Borrow, I would say no, I would be 507 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 2: very confident in making a bet right now that Joe 508 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: Burrow plays for somebody other than the Cincinnati Bengals, and 509 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 2: sooner maybe rather than later. 510 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 3: He that might happen soon, and Steeler fans should rejoice 511 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 3: if it does trade him to the NFC. But even 512 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 3: like Alan and Lamar I mentioned, they've gotten so much 513 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 3: better doing the old man quarterback stuff that their legs 514 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 3: could could really wane and they still are going to 515 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 3: be really good players. 516 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to hear from people used to say 517 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 2: when Lamar gets into his thirties and loses his step, 518 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 2: he's done. I don't want to hear that he threw 519 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: forty one touchdowns on four interceptions. 520 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 3: R right. I mean he could have a shattered ankle 521 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 3: and still be a really good player. I mean might 522 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 3: not even be the same style. But those two are 523 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 3: over the hump of they don't have to rely on 524 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: just athleticism. 525 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: I am totally with him, totally with you on that. 526 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: That's an interesting point. 527 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 3: But it's crazy. You know, there aren't men actually. 528 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: Quarterback like it's it's really falling off or. 529 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 3: Close to Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Almost all of them 530 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 3: are not one helmet. 531 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: Guy Ben and ELI are going to be the only 532 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: ones who get in here anytime soon that were one 533 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 2: helmet quarterbacks. 534 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the end of ELI was not pretty, not great. 535 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 2: Not great over the last five years. 536 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: Matt. 537 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: Here's the number that we referenced earlier, the Steelers thirty 538 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: eight and ten when they do not throw an interception. 539 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 3: Is that nuts? 540 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: That's nearly an eighty percent win percentage. It's seventy nine 541 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: percent win percentage. 542 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 3: And I'll bet everything I have Tomlin knows that or closed. 543 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 3: He might not know the exact number, but like we 544 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 3: throw a pick, we don't throw a pick, we win. 545 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 2: And who have been the quarterbacks they targeted the last 546 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 2: two years? Two quarterbacks that don't throw interceptions? Yeah, yeah, 547 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson third best, third, lowest, I should say, interception 548 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: rate in NFL history. Aaron Rodgers is currently number one, 549 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: so the Holmes is right on his heels, but he 550 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: is still currently number one. 551 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 3: So clearly when Duck would be it, I mean Tom 552 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 3: Win even said it, like when Duck was out there, like, 553 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 3: just don't kill us. Yeah he didn't, he. 554 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 2: Literally just don't kill us. 555 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 3: I'm sure. 556 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 2: I'm sure he. 557 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 3: Said the same thing to Kenny and his rookie year, 558 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 3: Trubisky when he would get in there, went in doubt, 559 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 3: third it, throw it in stands, don't throw it. Pick day, baby. 560 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 3: And that's a tough way to live, you know. I 561 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 3: mean it's it's hard to beat Mahomes in the playoffs. 562 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 3: With that mindset. 563 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 2: Of course, you can win a lot of games getting. 564 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 3: There, a lot of games getting there. And the last 565 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 3: two years they haven't had the choice of any quarterback 566 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 3: they wanted. You know, we're gonna we picked Wilson, we 567 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 3: picked Rogers, and I'm sure they were very aware of 568 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 3: the touchdown interception ratio of their careers. Big body of work, 569 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 3: and that's a wonderful stat But I hope if we're 570 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 3: right that they're in the quarterback market next year, they're 571 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 3: not just looking at the leadoff single like swing to 572 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 3: the fences, you know, like when to me in the 573 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 3: quarterback market when you're drafting one high, I don't mind 574 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 3: if I miss, but I am going to swing to 575 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: hit a grand slam with known on base, you know, 576 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 3: like I need Josh. 577 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: Adams Kenny Pickett conversation. That's what was my problem with picking, 578 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: and I took it and I gave the Steelers some 579 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: benefit there because how often can you draft the consensus 580 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: number one quarterback the twentieth overall, of course, but there's 581 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 2: also a reason that the consensus number one quarterback went 582 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: twentieth overall, something we never see. Guys they reach on 583 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: every quarterback possible. 584 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 3: I understand. Taking Anthony Richardson, yeah, I mean. 585 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: It looked Josh Rosen exactly. 586 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 3: I mean, you got a swing big on trade Zach Wilson, 587 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 3: and if you end up throwing a lot of picks 588 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,479 Speaker 3: with the new guy, that's how you win. I mean, 589 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 3: not that you don't win this league by throwing picks, 590 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 3: but I hope you don't take the strategy of let's 591 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 3: get the guy that's twenty that doesn't throw picks. Now 592 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 3: give me the guy with twenty with a rocket arm 593 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 3: that runs a four to two. You know what I mean, 594 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 3: Like Leonora Sellers eat yeah, yeah, yeah. Man. 595 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: After his performance in that opener against Virginia Tech, the 596 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger comparisons were everywhere. 597 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 3: I could see him be in the first pick of 598 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 3: the draft. 599 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: Well, something I can't. There might be a chance that 600 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,120 Speaker 2: the Steelers. 601 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: Don't that could be bying this guy. 602 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 2: If you if you're picking in the in the low twenties. Yeah, 603 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 2: he ain't getting he ain't trained up to get the 604 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: first pick. You're not getting the first not happening. You 605 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 2: might get the seventh, but you're but you're but you're 606 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 2: not getting the first. 607 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 3: And that was Alan Mahome, those guys one night. 608 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: Totally. 609 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 3: You can get a superstar not picking one. But I've 610 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 3: done this long enough to be like people were talking 611 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 3: about him as one of the five or six. I'm like, 612 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: he could be one some Yeah. 613 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 2: One of those. I think it was one of those 614 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: football aggregator type accounts you know that just post highlights 615 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: and news and stuff like that. Someone put a clip. 616 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: I should have saved it and sent it to you, 617 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: but it was like thirty seconds. It was a play 618 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger made his rookie season the Steelers where he 619 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: like shrugged off two sacks, sidestepped the guy and and 620 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: and made an awesome like throw for fifteen yards. Yeah, 621 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: And essentially they showed that and then they essentially cut 622 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: to Lenora's Cellars doing the same thing Saturday against against 623 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: Virgil like a almost eerily similar play where he goes 624 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 2: one way, breaks a couple of tackles, comes the other way, 625 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: makes somebody miss and then gets rid of it for 626 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: a Houdini first down. 627 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 3: So I think people know Dane Brugler is with the 628 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 3: athletic that they should at least they should if they don't. 629 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 3: Big time draft guy. 630 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: He's I think our number one go to the draft guy. 631 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: He's now. 632 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 3: He hasn't done it as long as like Mel you know, 633 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 3: he's a younger guy, but it's been a while and 634 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: he's awesome aut what he does. I was listening to 635 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 3: his podcast after week one of the college football season, 636 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 3: and he said he said this going in. He said, 637 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 3: Sellers is the strongest quarterback I've ever evaluated. He's like 638 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 3: Cam Newton was closed, Jaden Hurts was close. He's like 639 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 3: Ben was before my time. But reference Ben Allen and 640 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 3: just everything about him is strong. I mean the arm, 641 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 3: the ability to break tackles. 642 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: He's a great athlete. 643 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, yeah, I mean just pure strength matters. 644 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 2: Man. I normally hate when people do here here here comes, 645 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: here comes the number one cornerback in the draft, and 646 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 2: let's compare him to Revis. 647 00:29:58,800 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you know, like I minds me. 648 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 2: I typically hate it when yeah, let's compare him to 649 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: one of the oh that interior defensive lineman. Let's compare 650 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: him to Warren sapp or to Aaron Donald. You know, 651 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: it makes me crazy. 652 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 3: I use Jim Brown as the example to really put 653 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 3: it over thought. Oh kind of reminds me of Jim Brown. 654 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, this. 655 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 2: Wide receiver is Randy Moss two point. Let me tell 656 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: you a little faster version. But I get some of 657 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 2: the Leonora's sellers, the Ben Roethlisberger comparisons, I can see, yeah, 658 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 2: I can see it. Uh, Just to kind of follow 659 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 2: up and finish on this here. Over the last decade, 660 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh has started nine different quarterbacks Ben Benjamin Todd Roethlisberger. 661 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: Of course, when you get to that level, you put 662 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: your middle name in there. Landry Jones, Michael Vick, Mason 663 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 2: Rudolph Duck, Hodge's, Mitch Trubisky, Kenny pick At, Justin Fields, 664 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: and Russell Wilson. Only Trubisky had a losing record as 665 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: a starter, and he only had like three or four starts, right, 666 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: and it starts it's like one and two or something 667 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: like that. 668 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 3: Now, some of these guys didn't start a ton vic sure, 669 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 3: you know, but still that's nine guys. 670 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: And only one of those is well, not only one 671 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: of those is going to the Hall of Fame. 672 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Wilson's a really good player, no doubt. 673 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: But he and I should he Yeah, Wilson has has 674 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame type critics. He could certainly, he could 675 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: certainly get in. 676 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna say end of career Bean was 677 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 3: the same as mid career band either. But still, of 678 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 3: all those dudes, only Trubisky had a losing record as 679 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 3: a starter. That's pretty crazy. 680 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 2: Since Mike Tomlin has been the Steelers head coach in 681 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, only the Patriots and the Packers 682 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: have won more games than Pittsburgh. Only Baltimore, Kansas City, 683 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 2: and New England have played more playoff games in the 684 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 2: a f C. 685 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, now we all know we want that record to 686 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 3: be better in the postseason. 687 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: Totally. 688 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 3: Tomlin does too, totally. But that's pretty good. 689 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: This is Matt, This is the same and I think 690 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 2: you'll get a kick out of this before we go 691 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 2: to break. My expectations as a WVU fan are not 692 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 2: what they are for Alabama fans and Ohio State fans. Yeah. Yeah, 693 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,239 Speaker 2: if those Ohio State was ten and two last year 694 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: at the end of the regular season and trying to 695 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,479 Speaker 2: run Ryan Day out of town, and then he won 696 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: the National championship six weeks later. 697 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 3: Like this beats Texas this week. 698 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: But I get it. I would rather have Ohio State 699 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: expectations than WU expectations. Yeah, absolutely, I would rather have 700 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: Steelers expectations than Jets expectations. But I still still think 701 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: from time to time the grain of salt in there 702 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: is good to have as well. 703 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 3: Agreed. Agreed. Now, if we had every Jets fan on 704 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 3: to our right and every Steelers fan to our left, 705 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,239 Speaker 3: and we asked them both, what do you guys think 706 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 3: about an eight and nine record this year? We know 707 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 3: what the answers would be. 708 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: I'll take it. 709 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 3: The folks agreed, you'd be like, sign me up where. 710 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 2: Justin Fields did well, We're in the right direction. 711 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 3: Folks in black and goal will. 712 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 2: Be like, no way, would be like I want to 713 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: clean house. If we have a losing record this season, 714 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 2: that's enough, get them out of here. One more segment 715 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 2: to go on the other side, a couple. 716 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 3: More rated this long enough all these winning seasons. 717 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 2: Dude, last year I was laughing. Alabama finished ranked like 718 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 2: fourteenth or fifteenth in the regular season. Last year in trouble. 719 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 2: That guy's in trouble. They went nine and three and 720 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 2: finished ranked like fourteenth in the country. Kaylindbor, you got 721 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 2: one more year, dude, you better figure it out. I do. 722 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 3: I think he's lost to more unranked teams than Saban did. 723 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 2: Ye. 724 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 3: He's been there for like fifteen minutes. 725 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 2: He's already lost to four ranked teams as well, which 726 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 2: is as many I think as Nick Saban lost to 727 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 2: and like his last ten years, Like Sabin went six 728 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 2: and six his first year in Alabama, and then after 729 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 2: that they weren't He like lost six games the rest 730 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 2: of his entire time. 731 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 3: Right, You don't want to be the man that follows 732 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 3: the man. 733 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: You absolutely do not. Especially there do not no chance 734 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: a couple more of these that I want to close 735 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 2: down with you. When we return on the other side, 736 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 2: we will go through some of these last Matt stats 737 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 2: nuggets here to close this thing down. On a Thursday, 738 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: West Shuler, Matt Williamson, it is the Drive on Steelers 739 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network, Your teams. 740 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven Home of 741 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation. 742 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 2: Radio, the final segment of the Drive here on this Thursday. 743 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: As we have waited, we have anticipated, we have got 744 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 2: the beginning of the NFL season tonight across the Commonwealth 745 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 2: in Philadelphia. God bless America. 746 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 3: Matt. 747 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 2: I did take a look at the tweets here, and 748 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 2: I totally forgot that we solicited those early. We could 749 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 2: carry tomorrow, and we could certainly carry some over tomorrow. 750 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 2: But Mark tweets us and says, wondering about a comparison 751 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: of the Tampa Bay Bucks roster that won the Super 752 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 2: Bowl with Brady to the current Steelers roster with Aaron Rodgers. 753 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,919 Speaker 3: I'd have to be refreshed a little, but not much. 754 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 3: I got it here for you because real quick, before 755 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 3: we dig into it, I remember Dale and I talking 756 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 3: about that because the year before he went to Tampa 757 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 3: was the Winston year that he threw thirty thirty five yards, right, 758 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 3: And I remember talking about it going, this team's a 759 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 3: quarterback away. I mean like they had a lot of 760 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 3: pieces in place, and Tom knew it. I mean Tom 761 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 3: picked them going totally. If I don't throw thirty picks, 762 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 3: which he never. 763 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 2: Wins, we're gonna have a really good chance we got noise. 764 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 3: Stuff here going. I mean they had Evans and Godwin 765 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 3: and young Wurfs, and then he recruits Gronk and those 766 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 3: guys too. It's better than this roster, I think. Now 767 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 3: the defenses are maybe something comparable. 768 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 2: I think it is better than this roster. But there are, like, 769 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 2: give me some names. 770 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, like what that team. 771 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 2: Was, madamkan su Vid Golson, Pierre Paul was there was 772 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 2: their line. Those guys were thirty four, twenty six, thirty 773 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 2: and thirty two rookie Devin White next to veteran Leavonte David, 774 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 2: who's going to play till least fifty five. I'm convinced. 775 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 3: Yeah. 776 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 2: And Shaq Barrett, who had an outstanding year. 777 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 3: That's a pretty good front seven, very good front seven. 778 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 2: I tell you what, though, I like the I like 779 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 2: the I like the Steelers. 780 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 3: Their front seven can hang with anybody. 781 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 2: I like the I like the Steelers secondary much more 782 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 2: than I like that Bucks secondary. Dean Murphy Bunting Winfield 783 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 2: Junior in Whitehead. 784 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 3: Okay, I'd probably take the Steeler d over that one. 785 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 2: I think I take the Steeler d over that one. 786 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 2: I'd certainly take the Steelers secondary. 787 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 3: Yes, over that one. Yeah, it's a good defense though, Yeah, 788 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 3: you can win a Super Bowl that defense. You absolutely 789 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 3: can a good phenomenal quarterback, you. 790 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 2: Know, but yeah, prime of his career, Mike Evans same 791 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 2: age as DK Metcalf. 792 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Evans is a Hall of Famer and 793 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 3: that Vergil Evans is better than Meccan. 794 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 2: I think, and this is a total digression. We don't 795 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 2: have to go there, but I think Mike Evans might 796 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 2: be the most underrated wide receiver in a history. 797 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 3: It's funny to say that because I agree, you know, 798 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 3: I think he should be compared to like Larry Yes, 799 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 3: you know, like he's not like is he a Hall 800 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 3: of Famer or not? 801 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 2: And I don't think he was quite a b or Julio, 802 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 2: but he deserves to be in that conversation and we 803 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 2: talk about the best wide receivers of this generation. 804 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 3: Like he might be a top ten receiver ever. 805 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 2: Matt, before we go, I think you're right he's again 806 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 2: and absolutely you can make a good faith argument that 807 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 2: he's in the conversation. 808 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, before we go. The better than the Steelers. 809 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: Offense was was was better, But I think the Steelers 810 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 2: defense could be better. Yeah, yeah, before we go, I 811 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 2: did want to run this last Matt's stat past you. 812 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,879 Speaker 2: The Steelers last year averaged five point one yards per play. 813 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 2: That was eighth worst in the NFL. Where does that 814 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,919 Speaker 2: number need to go for this team to get where 815 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 2: we want them to go. 816 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like much, But if you were five 817 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 3: to three, I'm probably be like, I get it, and 818 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: now don't forget. I mean, the rushing numbers were really low. 819 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 2: Because if that was what four point one per average, 820 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 2: second worst in the league. If you get that to 821 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 2: four three or four four. 822 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 3: Because they definitely had some long balls, you know that 823 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 3: that change, you know, So that's five ones not great. 824 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 3: I'm not saying saying it is. Obviously it was eighth worst, but. 825 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 2: You liked and you get close to five to five 826 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 2: and you're you're in the middle of the table. 827 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 3: I mean, Dale and I do this trick all the time. 828 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 3: I mean, if I said five to four, like, sign 829 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 3: me up, I won't take door number two. I won't 830 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 3: go fish. You know what I mean? Yes, five to five, 831 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 3: of course, I'm sign me up. Five to three. Maybe 832 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 3: five to three I might take because it could go backwards. 833 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 3: But people never think that, you know, like this time 834 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 3: of year and it's the NFL is so smart. It's 835 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 3: still we're still in the land of eternal optimism. 836 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 837 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 3: Oh it's going to be better in next year. Yeah, 838 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 3: we're better than we were this time though no chance 839 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 3: were as injured this year as last year. Like no 840 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 3: one gets hurt. Our first round pick is going to 841 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 3: be a star because they all hit all thirty two 842 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 3: every year. You know, this guy's coming back from injury, 843 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 3: he'll be better than ever. Oh yeah, that always happens. 844 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,439 Speaker 2: I do. I do love the eternal optimism, but that'll 845 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 2: come crashing down very soon tonight. Last last one that 846 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 2: relates to this, Steelers averaged four point five yards per 847 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 2: play on first downs last year, last in the league. 848 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of it's because they ran a 849 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 3: lot of first downs, which also has a little bit 850 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 3: of a ripple effect of running people, you know, beating 851 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 3: people up and wearing them down. 852 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,479 Speaker 2: The Jets were also the league's best defense on first 853 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 2: down last year. 854 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. I forgot about that. 855 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,399 Speaker 2: So that kind of whole like four yards or more 856 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 2: on first down thing that I can still hear. Our 857 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 2: brother Craig Wolfley screaming about that. That feels like that's 858 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 2: going to be important on Sunday. 859 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, first down success rate I'm sure was poor for 860 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 3: the Steelers this past year. 861 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 2: It absolutely was. Yeah, And and so those are some 862 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 2: of the things that we will be looking for beginning Sunday. 863 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 2: But we will have another show tomorrow. Of course, we'll 864 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 2: have our we'll have our predictions, we'll get into some 865 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 2: more of these the these numbers. Will have a matchup 866 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 2: segment as. 867 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 3: Well, pick every game and do all that stuff too. 868 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely talk a little bit about whatever happens tonight. 869 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say tonight, I think it's eight 870 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 2: and a half because I'm not going to ask you 871 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 2: who's gonna win. I know your answer there. The Cowboys 872 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 2: keep it close, though, do they cover? They're eight and 873 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 2: a half point underdogs. 874 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 3: Maybe, I think they're in for a real long night, 875 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 3: But I think that passing game might keep it close 876 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 3: or backdoor cover, you know what I mean. 877 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 2: They score a touchdown, they score a touchdown late to 878 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 2: lose by seven instead of fourteen. 879 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 3: Like it wouldn't shock me if Steeler fans watch that 880 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 3: game going. George Pickens is still pretty good. 881 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Let me just say, George 882 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 2: Pickens is I have two fantasy football teams. Now, that's it. 883 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 2: They're both money leagues, one with my boys, one with 884 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 2: my family. I got pickings starting in both I too. 885 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 3: That's crazy. There was like a handful of dudes in 886 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 3: my both three draft leagues that I picked in both leagues, 887 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 3: and he was one of them. And I'm firing him 888 00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:58,879 Speaker 3: up with confidence tonight. 889 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 2: I got them way lower than I thought I should 890 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 2: have in both drafts, and I was happy to do so. 891 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 2: Me too, Matt, good stuff man. Looking forward to tomorrow. 892 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 2: We'll really get this thing ramped up and ready for Sunday. 893 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 2: Big shout out to our guy TV in the booth 894 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 2: for producing us. We are back on YouTube for all 895 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 2: of you that missed that yesterday. If you want to 896 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 2: see Matt and I's beautiful smiling faces, you know where 897 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 2: to go. That's the Steelers official YouTube account. That'll do 898 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 2: it for us today. We'll talk to you tomorrow. For 899 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 2: Matt Williams and I am Weshuler. You know where to 900 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 2: find us. 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