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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is Stuff you

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Speaker 2: should Know. Extra extra read all about it. Stuff you

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Speaker 2: Should Know. Release is an episode on the Newsy strike

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Speaker 2: of eighteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, I knew you were going to say something

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Speaker 1: like that, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I did too, but I didn't know what that's

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Speaker 2: what it turned out to be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the beauty of you. Thanks man, never know

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Speaker 1: what you're gonna get.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you appreciating me. So apparently we're way, way,

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Speaker 2: way behind the curve because stuff you missed in history

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Speaker 2: class did an episode on this, like all the way

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Speaker 2: back in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: It's time we did this, I guess one hundred something

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Speaker 2: years on from the actual strike. Yes, it needs to

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Speaker 2: be covered by us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we can. Are we copying them now if

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Speaker 3: it's fourteen years later or whatever?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, we just go on the stuff you missed

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Speaker 2: in history class site and figure out new topics.

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Speaker 1: Geez, who was the host back then?

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Speaker 2: Who knows? It was such a rotating cast at that point.

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Speaker 1: Who yeah, I mean this was before Tracy and Holly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out Tracy and Holly keeping it on lockdown

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Speaker 2: a stuff you missed in history class for years now.

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Speaker 1: That's right. They got the reins and they were like mine, Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: The horse is like, stop jerking me around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So you mentioned one hundred plus years or something, this

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Speaker 3: was a If you're wondering what a news he is,

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Speaker 3: it was a paper delivery person, usually a paper boy

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Speaker 3: or a newsboy, although we will see there were other

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Speaker 3: people delivering papers in New York City. Yeah, and they

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Speaker 3: went on strike in eighteen ninety nine. A bunch of boys,

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Speaker 3: generally boys got together. We're like, hey, we're tired of

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Speaker 3: making thirty cents a day. We want to make like

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Speaker 3: fifty cents a day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And thirty cents a day sounds like a very

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Speaker 2: small amount. It actually was about eleven dollars in today's money,

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Speaker 2: which is still a pretty small amount to survive in

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Speaker 2: New York City. And a lot of those newsboys, it

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Speaker 2: turns out, were just barely surviving. Like a lot of

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Speaker 2: them were pretty much every single one of them was

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Speaker 2: working class tops.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there was any middle class at the time,

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Speaker 2: and there certainly weren't any like aristocratic newsboys, so like

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Speaker 2: you were working class at best, if you even had

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Speaker 2: a home, if you were not an orphan, if you

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Speaker 2: were not living on the streets. Yeah, and almost all

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Speaker 2: of them were at the time, like very marginalized communities

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Speaker 2: like Irish kids, Jewish kids, Black kids like it. It

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Speaker 2: was a it was a neat kind of like cross

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Speaker 2: section of America that or New York at least at

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Speaker 2: the time that had been kind of thrown together, put

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Speaker 2: together at this job. And there was a lot of

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Speaker 2: them doing it to something like ten to fifteen thousand,

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Speaker 2: depending on who you asked at what decade. But from

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Speaker 2: what I saw, Olivia helped us with this, and I

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Speaker 2: think she said something like fifteen thousand at the time

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Speaker 2: of the strike we're talking about, which is eighteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And most of these kids were probably tweens and teens,

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Speaker 3: you know, some of them were as young as six

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Speaker 3: and seven years old. Of course, some of them were

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one years old. When it came to sort

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Speaker 3: of leading these organization or leading these meetings in these

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Speaker 3: this strike. But they were generally teens and tweens. And

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Speaker 3: like I said, they weren't all boys. There were some girls,

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Speaker 3: there were some married women, there were some disabled adults.

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Speaker 3: Really mostly boys though, and these were all regardless of

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Speaker 3: who it was, these were all people that, like you said,

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Speaker 3: we're looking to you know, say, you know, I made

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Speaker 3: thirty cents today, I'll give twenty five cents to my family,

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Speaker 3: and I'll get a box of cookies for a nickel.

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Speaker 2: And oh, you could buy a car for a nickel

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Speaker 3: I actually did some because spending powers different than you know,

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Speaker 3: just what would that be in today's dollars? And I

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Speaker 3: did look up in nineteen hundred what you could get

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Speaker 1: Oh cool, Well, a box of cookies was a nickel.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the car thing was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Right, I'm sorry to disappoint you.

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Speaker 3: A box of cereal was a dime, can of Campbell's

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Speaker 3: a dime. Seven pounds of potatoes was a dime. Wow,

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Speaker 3: literally wow. And you could get a lot of steak too.

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Speaker 3: Meat Meat wasn't as expensive as you might think. So

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Speaker 3: it was kind of weird that way, But that just

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Speaker 3: way these boys were doing it. They were basically free agents.

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Speaker 3: They didn't work for the newspaper or work for a company.

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Speaker 1: They would go out.

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Speaker 3: And hustle on their own, buy these bundles of newspapers,

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Speaker 3: like one hundred newspapers, and then sell them at a markup.

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Speaker 3: So generally, like, hey, what was the original price that

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Speaker 2: Fifty cents per bundle of one hundred is what the

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Speaker 2: papers charged the newsboys at first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they would sell them for generally a penny apiece,

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Speaker 3: But none of that adds up to thirty cents, So

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to reckon with all that.

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Speaker 2: I think that they didn't necessarily make it through the

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Speaker 1: Cost totally makes sense, Josh, jeez.

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Speaker 2: That's my take. That's what I got from it.

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Speaker 3: No, I think you're right, because that that reckons with

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Speaker 3: a little thing here at the end as far as

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Speaker 3: what the newspapers offered them.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly. And so these kids would work sun up

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Speaker 2: contemporary account who talked about how like when you walk

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Speaker 2: it was like a hardscrabble life. Like the impression that

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Speaker 2: that was real. It was even worse than that, like

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Speaker 2: we have almost a romanticized version of it. It was

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Speaker 2: different places around the country. Chok, they had like rules,

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Speaker 2: but New York was not one of those places.

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Speaker 3: When you say contemporary contemporaneous, sire. Oh, I just wondered

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Speaker 3: if you've since it's a thing now with the.

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Speaker 2: Show, I've you just grabbed me by the ankle and

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Speaker 2: dragged me back, and I fell on my face as

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Speaker 2: I was pulled down. But other than that, it's good.

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Speaker 3: What I was hoping you would say is like, no,

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Speaker 3: it was contempts, it was contemporary. It was contemporary. Jeez,

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Speaker 3: Now I'm confused. Like I read it in Vice last week,

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Speaker 3: it's about the news voice strike. Shut up, Chuck, Okay,

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Speaker 3: So what is it?

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Speaker 2: Contemporaneous would be what I meant to say in contemporaries today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so sick of this. I am too dumb,

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Speaker 1: stupid words.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say I read an account from the

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Speaker 1: Oh that's nice. You know there's a word for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know what it is, all right, So

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Speaker 1: let's get into this.

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Speaker 3: You said other cities were a little more organ eyes

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Speaker 3: with rules and like, hey, you can only work so

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Speaker 1: New York was a wild West.

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Speaker 3: This was a time when William Randolph Hurst and Joseph

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Speaker 3: Pulitzer were really running the show with their big time papers,

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Speaker 3: The New York World. Well, I guess I should read

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Speaker 3: it the opposite way. The New York Journal in the

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Speaker 3: New York World, respectively. And so the Spanish American War

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Speaker 3: was hotter than ever. Everyone wanted to get their hands

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Speaker 3: wars is expensive.

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Speaker 1: This will also help us cover this war.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a legitimate price increase in the World

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Speaker 2: and the Journal were not the only papers that that

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Speaker 2: And the newsboys at the time were like, this is fine.

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Speaker 2: It makes sense because we're selling so many more papers

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're selling out exactly.

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Speaker 2: They were selling out, maybe selling multiple bundles in a day,

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Speaker 1: And this gets very colorful here pretty soon.

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Speaker 2: So my god, some of these quotes are just amazing.

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Speaker 3: Sort of strap in, we also have to set up

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Speaker 3: sort of the time in which this took place. In

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Speaker 3: the late eighteen hundreds, there were it was just a strike,

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Speaker 3: heavy union heavy time. There was a trolley strike going

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Speaker 3: And there were also other newsboy strikes before this, like

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Speaker 2: So this strike of eighteen ninety nine, like if you

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Speaker 2: type in newsboy strike, all you're going to get back

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Speaker 2: on the internet is the strike of eighteen ninety nine. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so significant, and the reason that it differentiated itself from

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Speaker 2: other strikes was in scope, in depth, in organization, like

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Speaker 2: in just a few days, as we'll see, like these

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Speaker 2: kids went from a bunch of ragtag, you know, rough

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Speaker 2: and like defending themselves in the face of being run

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Speaker 2: over by greedy fat cats essentially.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's just a couple of weeks, really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole thing was less than fourteen days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And they also led Boston, Detroit, in Dallas and Nicknamery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they did. Yeah. The kids in New York definitely

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Speaker 2: had the nicknames down.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I think it's a pretty good setup.

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Speaker 2: You know, Chuck, I've got to agree with you as

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Speaker 2: well on your take on the setup.

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Speaker 1: Right if you want to know, then you're in luck

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Speaker 4: Stuffuge No, all right, we mentioned a literal tipping point,

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Speaker 3: Because on July eighteenth of eighteen ninety nine, it was

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Speaker 3: And they were like this is not going to stay

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Speaker 3: in screenwriting terms, this would be called the inciting incident.

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Speaker 2: Right, This is where the gun is introduced an act one.

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Speaker 1: Sure you've been going to that one a lot lately,

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Speaker 2: Think about it though, like a bunch of little kids

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Speaker 2: And that's a really great indicator, or I guess example

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Speaker 3: Well, other people have said it before me, but there

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I imagine all of these kids too. All

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Speaker 2: of these boys are just like fifteen thousand Scott Farcas

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and their brains aren't fully formed yet, so they're

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Speaker 2: Direction, yeah, that's great, that's great advice.

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Speaker 1: And Antoni, it's not me, it's well known fact.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not disputing it at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially you. You better get out of there, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty pretty bad at fighting.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you firsthand that I'm not all right.

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Speaker 2: So that tipping point you said, which, by the way,

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Speaker 2: was quite apt. Hey, thanks, that kind of like ignited

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Speaker 2: something in these newsies, like they were they had already

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Speaker 2: been bristling for a little while under that rate hike

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Speaker 2: few hundred of them at least, who gathered in City

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Speaker 2: three hundred of them rallied and basically said, Journal World,

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Speaker 2: We're mad right now. There's enough of us who are

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Speaker 2: You better listen to us.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: And they also said, you know, we're smart enough to

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Speaker 3: They had to have some leadership and some organization, as

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Speaker 3: interesting because contemporaneous accounts don't always get the names right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but this kid was a Jewish boxer.

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Speaker 3: His name was either Dave Simons or Simon or Simons

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Speaker 1: Right, but let's just call him Dave Simons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what most people call him. He was the

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Speaker 2: He was the lead dude, right the president. He was

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Speaker 2: And the one who actually is probably the most well

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Speaker 2: He was either blind in the eye or it was

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Speaker 2: they called him Kid Blink. And his real name was

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Speaker 2: Lewis Biletti, Lewis Dalitt, Ballot, or Battel, depending on which

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Speaker 2: old timey newspaper you consult, But the one I've seen

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Speaker 2: most of all is Lewis Biletti. But everybody called him

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Speaker 2: Kid Blink. So those two were essentially in charge. And

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Speaker 2: then one other really important one who became increasingly important

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Speaker 2: as time went on, was a guy named race Car

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Speaker 2: Higgins from Brooklyn, and he's my hero. He's the one

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Speaker 2: I like the most.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Livia just dug up some more fun names, which

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Speaker 3: is why we love Livia. Creutch Morris, not bad, no hunch, Maddox.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine that kid had good posture, right, And

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Speaker 2: No, Muggsy McGee was the winner. I was like, there's

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Speaker 2: Keep it at Muggsy McGhee.

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Speaker 1: Would you mess with those kids.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I wouldn't even be comfortable walking past them

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Speaker 2: under normal circumstances. When they're trying to sell me a paper,

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, just give me ten.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: So a couple of days later, this is July twentieth.

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Speaker 3: By this point, the newspapers had said, no, thank you,

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Speaker 3: which is interesting. It wasn't like, hey, we're not going

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They also said if you don't stop selling those newspapers,

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Speaker 2: you're going to get your face punched in, which was

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Speaker 2: a direct quote.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So these kids, these newsies stopped selling, and I get

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Speaker 2: of patrol the streets of New York, Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens

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Speaker 2: and where else? Uh Long Island maybe, Okay, where else?

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Speaker 2: What's the other one?

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Speaker 1: Give me one more queen up there in the North Harlem? Sure?

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Speaker 3: Home of Yankee Stadium, Yankee Ville, the something the Bronx.

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Speaker 1: There's a part named after it?

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Speaker 2: Is there? Really?

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Speaker 1: Oh the Bronx.

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Speaker 2: I never realized that was a fart. Always thought it

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Speaker 1: Uh No, I think you're right, but it sounds like

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well you just changed it big time.

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Speaker 2: I think you improved it, frankly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So all of these kids are walking around with from

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Speaker 2: what I saw, horseshoes, baseball bats, barrel staves, wheelspokes like

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Speaker 2: clubs essentially, and more like. If you if we catch

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Speaker 2: you selling the Journal of the Record other newsies, we're

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Speaker 2: going to beat you. We're going to give you a beating.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if you're an adult, I don't care

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Speaker 2: And a lot of people got beaten by these kids,

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Speaker 2: especially on day one and two.

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Speaker 1: Period.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I realized it didn't sound like I was completing

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Speaker 2: that sentence, but that was it.

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Speaker 1: That's all right.

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Speaker 3: There was a little little bit of police action at first,

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Speaker 3: but not much because the police had their hands full

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Speaker 3: like a juvenile system I was called a juvenile asylum.

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Speaker 3: Others went to child protective agencies. But generally the cops

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Speaker 3: they had their hands bull already.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: But on the same day that a few of these

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Speaker 3: crowd of boys marching through Manhattan. They're chanting like things

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Speaker 3: are escalating pretty fast around here. They were chanting, we

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Speaker 3: don't sell no worlds and journals. Hooray for to strike.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great anecdote. I love this so much.

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Speaker 2: On one of these marches. They went down Wall Street

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: And then even better, if it couldn't get any more

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Speaker 2: who was like indubitably wearing a white suit with a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they probably had a coffee can to jangle that

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Speaker 3: that stream yep. That was such a a New York

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Speaker 3: I always saw those movies. Was like, man, they really

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, playing in the fire.

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Speaker 1: Hydrant, oh absolutely, yeah, I've.

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Speaker 2: Never seen one. I've never been able to play in one.

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Speaker 1: Nah. We were country boys.

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Speaker 2: We had sprinklers, yeah exactly. And slipping slides.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you remember those. I used to get a.

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Speaker 2: Headache from slipping slide because you just hit the ground

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because you were sliding on a napkin basically exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I wasn't the only.

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Speaker 3: One, No, no, no, they were very dangerous. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if they you can even still buy those?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I wonder if you can or not.

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Speaker 3: They would you know, with thet kids today, it would

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Speaker 2: They worry about things like chronic traumatic encephaly and all

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Speaker 3: Chuck, Well, we're at the point where the strike is

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Speaker 2: And just like a couple of days, right, it would

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Speaker 2: they would take them and destroy and something really significant

441
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 2: happened too at this Up to this point, it had

442
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: essentially just been the newsboys who were striking. Yeah, but

443
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: women who started who sold newspapers joined the strike too.

444
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 2: They joined them, and that was an enormous deal. That

445
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 2: was a big deal in a way, it kind of

446
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 2: legitimized it in the minds of other people.

447
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely.

448
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 3: And you know, even though this is a couple of weeks,

449
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 3: it kind of went back and forth as far as

450
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 3: you know, public support, people getting on board and helping

451
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 3: out because as we'll see later, well let's just hold

452
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: on to that. Okay, some other people helped join the

453
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: strike too, but we'll get to that later.

454
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, the journal in the world were like,

455
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: this is actually starting to have an impact on our

456
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 2: bottom line already.

457
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, big time. They were behind closed doors, very worried.

458
00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 3: Advertising or advertisers were like, hey, no one's reading our paper,

459
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 3: so it's no one seeing our ads, Like I want

460
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 3: my money back. Yeah, And I think that was probably

461
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 3: the biggest problem right out of the gate, is not

462
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 3: only are they not selling papers, but now they're going

463
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 3: to be giving money. I don't know if they did,

464
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: but we're asked to give money back to advertisers.

465
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't give this hair cream away.

466
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: And the public started to get behind it, and that

467
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: was the real danger was once in New York City

468
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 3: as like, no, no, no, these boys have a point.

469
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, then I.

470
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 3: Don't care if you're Hurst or Pulitzer, you're kind of

471
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 3: sol Yeah.

472
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: So there's a managing editor named Don Sites of the

473
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: World and he was one of Pulitzer's second in command,

474
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: and he said in a memo, the people seem to

475
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: be against us. They are encouraging the boys and tipping them.

476
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, it kind of spread to just the rest

477
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: of New York like this this issue that was really

478
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: specific to this group of kids, Like people started to

479
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: sympathize with them and support them, and yeah, that's bad

480
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: news for the the management that's being struck against.

481
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely one thing they tried, and there are all sorts

482
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: of little ways they tried to get their paper out there,

483
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: you know, over the course of this couple of weeks.

484
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 3: But they said, all right, well round up people that

485
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 3: don't have homes. These guys that are on the street

486
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: will get them to sell, you know, these adults to sell.

487
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: The paper had about one hundred men signed up to

488
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 3: scab and the next morning they didn't show up, so

489
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: they decided.

490
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: Not to I don't know.

491
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 3: I guess the newsboys got to them, but I don't

492
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 3: know if it was by threat or what, but they

493
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 3: decided not to do it.

494
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: Well. That was definitely like the two pronged approach that

495
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: the Strikers originally took in the first few days. It

496
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: was appealing to other, you know, people's general sense of

497
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: compassion and justice. And then also, I also have the

498
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 2: leg of an old dining room table in my other hand,

499
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: So which one do you want? You want the pamphlet

500
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: or you want the dining room table leg.

501
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: That's right. Things really changed.

502
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 3: It was another turning point just a few days in

503
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 3: on the twenty fourth of July, when they were supposed

504
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 3: to meet with Hurst. The arbitration committee was all set

505
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 3: up and Hurst would not meet with them. So, you know,

506
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: that first rally was about three hundred kids. That night,

507
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: they had about two thousand at New Irving Hall, and

508
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: other accounts say it could have been five thousand and

509
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 3: eight thousand, just thousands of these young boys, which had

510
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 3: to be terrifying and had a one of the big guys,

511
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 3: the New York Times said he was one of the

512
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: larger boys. Nick Myers chaired that meeting. I guess as

513
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: some muscle, along with a couple of other muscles, right.

514
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe Bernstein and William Reese, also known as the

515
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: yellow barrel lemonade Man of Printing House Square.

516
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: What does that even mean?

517
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: He sold lemonade out of a yellow barrel at Printing

518
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: House Square. Oh okay, that's why I sent you that

519
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: eBay of that lemonade.

520
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: Get it, cup, I get it now. Yeah, judhent me.

521
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 3: If you grew up in the eighties, you, if you

522
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: saw this thing, a wave of nostalgia would wash over you.

523
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 3: But a lot of times at theme parks, yes, it

524
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: would sell lemonade in these yellow plastic barrels.

525
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now I know why did you buy one?

526
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: No? I just looked at it for a little while,

527
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: all right, But those guys William Reese and Joe Bernstein

528
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: a little while. Yeah, we're armed with what the New

529
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: York Times described as far reaching switches to keep everybody

530
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: in line during this meeting. And like you said, the

531
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: meeting was at New Irving Hall, near Union Square and

532
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: New Irving Hall, where this incredibly important Newsy strike meeting

533
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: was held. The one where they really kind of came

534
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: together and assembled is now Irving Plaza, owned by Live Nation,

535
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: and it's available for corporate events and it features an

536
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: upscale VIP lounge as well.

537
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: I went to a lot of great shows at Irving

538
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: Plaza back when I lived up there. Yeah, yeah, great menu.

539
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: What'd you see?

540
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: Oh boy?

541
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: I saw a pavement there, I saw ween there, I

542
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 3: saw Colexico there. Okay, uh, those are the three that

543
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: come to mind.

544
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: That's good enough. You're three for three.

545
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, Irving Plaza still there today.

546
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: And available for corporate events.

547
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 3: Race Track Higgins got up there, gave a great speech,

548
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 3: got everyone, you know, pretty pumped up.

549
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: Just stay strong, he said. This is another quote.

550
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 3: He said, we can do it hands down and no

551
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 3: whipping if we keep our eyes skinned.

552
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: I guess that's our eyes peeled.

553
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: That's what I'm taking it as.

554
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

555
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had another quote too.

556
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 1: Do you want to read that one too?

557
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

558
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: Have I won the part of racetrack Higgins?

559
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've got another quote I want to say too.

560
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: All right.

561
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: He also said the journal had offered two bucks a day,

562
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: which if they were making thirty cents a day, two

563
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: dollars a day. That's a huge, huge, paid increase at

564
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: the time.

565
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: For sure.

566
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: And uh he said that kid wouldn't take it because

567
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: the journal refused to contract and pay hospital expenses.

568
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: Because the kid was worried about getting beaten for selling

569
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: the papers.

570
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: Thank you.

571
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: I saw another. Well, it took me a minute. Actually

572
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: I read that three times before it sunk in what

573
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: he was saying.

574
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: No, I like it.

575
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: I didn't realize he was being facetious. Yes, I found

576
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: another quote in I think that Zin Education project like

577
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: the legacy of Howard Zinn. They had a great article

578
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: on this and they dug up a quote from a

579
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: kid who was talking to the Jersey City Evening Journal.

580
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: Did you see this one?

581
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: Mm hm?

582
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: He said, wee Zun's has got to stand by one

583
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: another in these times, cause if we don't, sure as hell,

584
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: we'll get it in the neck from them capitalists. I

585
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 2: love that kid. Can you imagine like an eight year

586
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: old saying that to a newspaper reporter. I love it.

587
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: It's like that British complain about the ice cream prices.

588
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 3: Did you see her? No, it's a viral video going

589
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: around now. Very okay, She's outraged at the ice cream price.

590
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: She said, ice cream prices are too damn high.

591
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: No, you should watch it. It's pretty funny. Okay, Uh

592
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: did you ever watch that throat whistler yet?

593
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: Oh?

594
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: Man, I even forward it to you again, you.

595
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: Guys, I know I appreciate it sitting in my inbox.

596
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: I've just been doing a lot. Man. I've done everything

597
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: from recycled old light fixtures to set up a drip

598
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: water system in the last like twenty four hours.

599
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: I love it.

600
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 3: I'll know that you've watched it when you just call

601
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: me like crying with laughter.

602
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough.

603
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: So at this meeting, things are going good. They're getting

604
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 3: more organized than ever. But they also decided that they

605
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: needed to it was sort of being counterproductive. They thought

606
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: to go around town beating everybody senseless for selling papers.

607
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: So they said, all right, we need to stop this.

608
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: We're not going to beat up scabs anymore. Livia included

609
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 3: another quote sarcastic cause of oh sultanly and I love

610
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: how she spelled that. And they said, you know, this

611
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: is like you mentioned the flyers. This is when the

612
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: flyers really came out where we're going to take a

613
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: more above board approach. We're gonna put flyers in the

614
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: hands of the people of New York that say, hey,

615
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: just give us a chance to make a living, appeal

616
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: to their good nature and like you said, sense of justice,

617
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: and that seemed to really turn the tide of public

618
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: opinion on their side. Was when they were like, hey,

619
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: these poor kids, you know, they're trying to go about

620
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: this the right way.

621
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: Now.

622
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there were scabs that were willing to step

623
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: up and do it, but they were kind of few

624
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: and far between, Like they had a really hard time

625
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: finding people who are willing to scab against these newsies.

626
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: They just kind of won the hearts and minds of

627
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: New Yorker, so they had all this support and not

628
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: just New York, I mean, like you said, it spread

629
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: throughout New Jersey, New England. There were other sympathetic strikes

630
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: that had inspired in Nashville, Tennessee, Lexington, Kentucky, Cincinnati, Ohio.

631
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: Like this all happened in just a few days time

632
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: at a time where there were there no one was

633
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: walking around with like a smartphone and had access to

634
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: social media. This was all spread generally by word of mouth,

635
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: and it spread so well that other kids from other

636
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: towns came to New York to coordinate with the leaders

637
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: of the New York City strike. That's what happened in

638
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: just a few days.

639
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also ironically being spread by other newspapers covering

640
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: the same Yeah.

641
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: That's a really good point. You're right about that, because

642
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's how a lot of them hurt the world.

643
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: And the Journal did not write a single.

644
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: Word about this, I imagine.

645
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was very strategic by William Hurst because as

646
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: we'll see, they the journal in the world were like

647
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 2: the everyday person's like champion, Like if you being screwed

648
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: over the world and the Journal were on your side,

649
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: and yet they wouldn't concede this this price reduction to

650
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: these striking newsboys, right, Yeah, so that was very strategic

651
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: not to say anything, whether in public or in articles.

652
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: But like you said, other papers around New York covered

653
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: it breathlessly.

654
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Should we take a break, way you catch your breath?

655
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you?

656
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: All right, we'll be right.

657
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: Back and we'll talk about sort of as this thing

658
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: goes along and then winds up in what happens right this.

659
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: If you want to know, then you're in luck.

660
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: Just listen to SUFFUSI stuff. No, So, Chuck, I told

661
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: you that Racetrack Higgins was my favorite right out of

662
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 2: the top three Kid Blink, Dave Simon, and Racetrack Higgins.

663
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: The reason why he's my favorite is because out of

664
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: those three, he's the only one that wasn't a total

665
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: scale who accepted payoff to end their participation in leading

666
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: the strike by the two newspapers.

667
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, is that the case?

668
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: The only place, the only source that I saw that

669
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: didn't seem pretty much certain that these guys had both

670
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: been paid off, including contemporaneous quotes from Newsy's who believe

671
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: this was Livia.

672
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: Actually, all right, so what are we gonna do about Livia?

673
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: I think what she was doing was taking a really

674
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: like a cautious approach because it never has been proven,

675
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 2: but it does seem to be pretty much certain that

676
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: at the very least Kid Blink took a payoff.

677
00:34:59,239 --> 00:34:59,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

678
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 3: So the idea is that Kid Blank and Dave Simon

679
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 3: were paid about four hundred bucks from those two companies

680
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: to end the strike.

681
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: They denied it. Simon was like, go ahead, search.

682
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: Me, which you know that means nothing, just because he

683
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 3: has didn't have the money on him.

684
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: Right then he's like, Bill, never search my keyster, oh.

685
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: God, and kid blank, you know, gave a pretty big

686
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: speech and it sounds like he was a pretty decent

687
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 3: public speaker, so they kind of he kind of convinced

688
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 3: everyone that it wasn't true in the moment. But yeah,

689
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 3: I think I agree with you. It seems like they

690
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: probably did, yeah pay off.

691
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: Because not only were their quotes from Newsy's later on

692
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: who one of them said, we would have gotten more,

693
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: but the leaders got bought off. I think there was

694
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: a quote from Don Sitz, the managing editor who at

695
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: right after this happened, said the backbone of the strike

696
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: has been broken, and they did it by targeting the leaders.

697
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: And then four hundred bucks that was a lot. Man,

698
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: That's like fifteen grand today to people who were like

699
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: making thirty cents a day at best.

700
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: It's like forty plus years of work.

701
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: Right. It would have been really really tough to turn down.

702
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: The thing is is when you have like leaders who

703
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: are inspiring people and leading like people who are really

704
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: like coming from a just cause, you want them to

705
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: be untouchable, right, So I mean they're human, they were

706
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: kids still. I mean one of them was eighteen. The

707
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: other one was twenty one tops. If he wasn't eighteen.

708
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: This is more money than they probably ever would have

709
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: seen in one place in their life. I can't really

710
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: blame them for turning it down, but I'm still deeply

711
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: disappointed that they.

712
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: Didn't, because Kid blinked was your guy.

713
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: He would have been, so race Car Higgins is my

714
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 2: guy because he didn't get bought off.

715
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: Right, Oh that's right. I forgot it was race Car Higgins.

716
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: So Simon, regardless of whether or not he took money,

717
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: even though we think he did, he resigned as president.

718
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 3: He said, I'm going to continue to support the strike.

719
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: Supposedly was elected treasurer, which would be a really weird

720
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 3: thing to do someone who just accepted a payout. But

721
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: this is the point where things, you know, paper started

722
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: reporting all kinds of different stuff about who was leading

723
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: at the time. The New York Times said it was

724
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 3: a kid named Morris Cohen. The son had two different

725
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 3: stories that contradicted one another. One said that they voted

726
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: two kids in to replace Simon and Kid blink name

727
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: yack Egg and Niny.

728
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 2: If your kids hanging out with a kid named niney

729
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: or yack Egg, you need to move.

730
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: You need to move very quickly. Yack egg. That's so weird.

731
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: It is the same paper talked about a different meeting

732
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: on the same day on the twenty eight with a

733
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: kid named Young Monis as the chief that replaced Blink.

734
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: And then the time said, no, it's an executive committee

735
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: basically from the different delegates that are running it. And

736
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: we can tell is there wasn't a real firm leader

737
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: at this point, kind of like for what one reason

738
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 3: is what you talked about was they wanted someone that

739
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 3: was untouchable and they didn't know if they could trust anyone.

740
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 2: Right, and so this was I mean that don sits

741
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: quote about the backbone being broken turned out to be

742
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 2: pretty true. Like after those two left their positions of leadership,

743
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: the strike just kind of it just got a little

744
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: chaotic and disassembled for a couple of days at least.

745
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: It was just kind of chaotic, and yet they still

746
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 2: continued on. They just did it in a decentralized way.

747
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: And then I think on twenty seventh of July Thursday,

748
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: the thing's been going on for a week now, kid Blink,

749
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: after having talked his way out of like being beaten

750
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: within an inch of his life for accepting a payoff

751
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: from the journal. In the Wreck or the World, he

752
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: shows up on the street with a new suit and

753
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 2: flashing a bunch of bills. Yeah, and depending on the

754
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: account you read, he was either beaten or was about

755
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: to be beaten when the cops arrested him, potentially for

756
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: his own protection, and he was taken to jail. But

757
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: that's the like, Okay, maybe Dave Simon's did or didn't.

758
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 2: I think his behavior made it seem very fishy that, Yeah,

759
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: so I suspect him Kid Blink. It's like it's just

760
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: a given, you know, if that's true, that's the that's

761
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: the key. Like, it's entirely possible that that was rumor

762
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: they got printed in a newspaper that today we look

763
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 2: back and we're like, oh, it was in the newspaper,

764
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: so it must be true. It's possible that was just

765
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: totally a rumor or something like that. But I still

766
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 2: say kid Blink is guilty, guilty, guilty.

767
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 3: It was around the same time that there was a

768
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 3: compromise offered by the the newspapers. They went to the

769
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 3: union committee and said, hey, what if we go down

770
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 3: to fifty five cents? The union turned that down. This

771
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 3: is when they started to get the support I mentioned.

772
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: Some other people kind of joined in later, you know,

773
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: a whole week later, And these were the news stands.

774
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: The people who ran the newsstands said all right, we're

775
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: not gonna sell those papers anymore. Maybe we'll keep some

776
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: here out of you, and if you really really want one,

777
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: we'll quietly sell it to you. But they weren't pushing

778
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: the world in the journal at newsstands.

779
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 2: Right, which is almost as bad as just not carrying

780
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 2: it at all. Yeah, but that was a huge deal.

781
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: I mean, just getting like other strikers or other newspaper

782
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: sellers like on the street to join them was a

783
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: big deal. Getting the news stands to actually join was

784
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: an enormous coup. And under this new kind of like

785
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: larger strike, the newsboys organized. They reorganized, I guess I

786
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: should say, in a much more like uniform, coherent way,

787
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: under kind of the leadership of a couple of the

788
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: adults that own newsstands and apparently seemed to steer everything

789
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: in a very honest direction.

790
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a newstand owner name Abraham Lippmann who said,

791
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: all right, why don't you guys adult elect an adult. Here,

792
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: there are adult news newsies. And here's a guy. His

793
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: name's James Neil. He's fifty years old. I know, it

794
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 3: seems a little it seems a little.

795
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: Weird that he that he's still alive.

796
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: But elect him as president you might get a little further.

797
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 3: They did racetrack Higgins, your boy became vice president, and

798
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: Neil said, you know, the adult in the room said,

799
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: all right, we need to get really organized. We need

800
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: to have badges, we need to get together with other

801
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 3: labor organizations. We need to district up and have delegates

802
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: and really get this thing going. But it was a

803
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: little too little, too late at this point because at

804
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: this point these kids needed the money. I mean they

805
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: were they were doing this because they were didn't have

806
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: much in the way of means, and so to be

807
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: out of work for a week in a row was

808
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 3: a big deal. And so their stamina sort of started

809
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 3: to wane.

810
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for a while they had one kid said

811
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 2: that they ain't got no wife's or families, so they

812
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: could take the pressure. But you know, a week of

813
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: not making any money, when you're relying on thirty cents

814
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: a day, that's a big deal. So it makes sense

815
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: that the strike just kind of started to peter out

816
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: a little bit. But it does make you wonder how

817
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: far it would have gotten. Had they organized like that

818
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 2: from day one, that would have been amazing.

819
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: And I imagine there was some parental pressure because I

820
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 3: think a lot of this a lot of times if

821
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: these kids weren't just on their own a lot. You know,

822
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: most of this money went back to the family, right,

823
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: and so you know mom and dad, you would think

824
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 3: at some point was like, hey, we need this thirty cents, right,

825
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: we need three cans of soup.

826
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: And fifty pounds of potatoes.

827
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

828
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: So on I guess Monday, July thirty first is it

829
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: was the death knell of the strike. One of the

830
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: groups of newstands said, this strike's a failure. They passed

831
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: a resolution just seems really mean, and they're like, we're

832
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: not supporting us any longer. That almost was a signal

833
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: to everybody else from what I can tell that it

834
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: was almost kind of okay to start selling the journal

835
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: in the world again. And on August first, the New

836
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: York strike officially was over.

837
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the one big thing we didn't mention was

838
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: that they did accept an offer finally.

839
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: Had kind of an important point.

840
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: They accepted the offer of sixty cents along with the

841
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 3: caveat that they could return unsold copies for a full refund,

842
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: And that seemed like you're dead on the money on

843
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: what you said at the beginning, like that was a

844
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: big deal. If they let's say, you sell one hundred

845
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: papers during wartime and you go out and you're like

846
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: a man, I think I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna

847
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 3: get another bundle, and you sell ten newspapers out of

848
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 3: that bundle of one hundred, then that'll bury you as

849
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 3: a business. So being able to return those they saw

850
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 3: it as a big win at least, or maybe they

851
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 3: just tried to make themselves feel better and say it

852
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: was a big win. But it seems to me like

853
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: being able to get refunds for unsold papers was a

854
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: pretty big deal.

855
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 2: It seems like a big win to me for sure.

856
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

857
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And because yeah, you've got to sell those papers.

858
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: They are not any good tomorrow. It's literally yesterday's news.

859
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 1: You know, that's right.

860
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: If you hadn't figured that out right now, I wanted

861
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: to make sure it was spelled out so that union

862
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: though it might seem like wow, they unionized like two

863
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: days before the strike ended. What a waste. That's not

864
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: at all correct. This union continued on and grew more

865
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: and more powerful and more and more disciplined too, And

866
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 2: as other strikes kind of came up over the years,

867
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 2: they would support them, and they had some a decent

868
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: amount of cloud Actually.

869
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good for them.

870
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be funny if we just ended the show

871
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 3: without mentioning Christian.

872
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: Bale, Yeah, that'd be awesome.

873
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: People would lose their minds. Yeah.

874
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 3: Of course, Disney made a movie about this. It was

875
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: a musical called Newsies nineteen ninety two, and young Christian

876
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: Bale played a fictional character inspired you know by real people,

877
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: but a fictional guy named Jack Kelly. But there is

878
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: a character named Blink and a character named Race, so they,

879
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: you know, they definitely took.

880
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Speaker 1: It.

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Speaker 3: Took some real people, made them slightly fictionalized, and then

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Speaker 3: made them sing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And neither Christian Bale nor any of the other

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Speaker 2: stars had any acting or any singing and dancing experience.

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00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: And it read like oral history about the flop that

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00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: was Newsi's when it came out in theaters and one

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00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: of the one of the leads was like, Yeah, if

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00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: you watch closely for those dance numbers, they'll suddenly either

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00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: like zoom way out or pan in really closely, so

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00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: you can't actually see us dancing. We'll be like in

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00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: a crowd of other people, or else it'll be like

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Speaker 2: an extreme close up on us. Because they weren't any good,

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Speaker 2: and I think even whether they had been good or

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00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: not was a moot point. It was a weird gamble

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Speaker 2: that Disney took. Yeah, introducing live action musicals that were

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00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: not at all in fashion at the time and hadn't

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Speaker 2: been for a couple decades by then. Jeffrey Katzenberg was like,

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Speaker 2: we're bringing them back, and America said, no, you're not.

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Speaker 3: And he said, and we're going to do it in

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Speaker 3: the form of a newspaper delivery boy strike exactly.

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Speaker 2: Christian Bill survived.

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Speaker 3: He did, and you know, the movie ended up being

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Speaker 3: a pretty big cult hit. Yeah, I've never seen it,

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Speaker 3: of you, No, I didn't. I watch parts of it today.

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Speaker 3: But it was a Broadway show after that as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it won like two Tony's, so they in

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00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: its format as a Broadway show. They rewrote some of

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00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: the songs and stuff. It did very well. It just

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Speaker 2: was not meant to be a movie. Yeah, that's it

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Speaker 2: for newsies everybody, and the newsies strike in particular.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: If you want to know more about that kind of thing,

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Speaker 2: go watch newsies and see what you think. Or go

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Speaker 2: to Broadway and see newsies and see what you think,

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00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: and then let us know what you think. And in

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Speaker 2: the meantime, it's time for a listener mail.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to call this critically email that just came in. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we like to read these from time to time.

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Speaker 3: Sure not just read emails and praise Hey, guys, listen

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00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 3: every day. There's nothing new. I listen to the archives.

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Speaker 3: I would like to ask you guys to refrain from laughing, chuckling, chortling, giggling,

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00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: and so on. It's very annoying you do this incessantly.

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Speaker 3: Just get serious about the subject. Are you guys comedians

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Speaker 3: or are you trying to inform the public?

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Speaker 2: Wow, I think this guy's new. It might not be

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Speaker 2: around for very long.

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Speaker 1: Well no, he said he listens every day.

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Speaker 2: For like the last two days.

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Speaker 1: I maybe it's a hate listen.

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Speaker 3: I don't know another thing. I'd like to call you

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Speaker 3: guys out on here. I was listening to the archives,

932
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 3: and the way you guys supported the Black Panther Party

933
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 3: was nothing less than treason. Those were communists, anarchists, Marxists

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Speaker 3: with guns. You guys should have explained the threat to

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Speaker 3: our democracy those criminals pose. Maybe they weren't as big

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Speaker 3: a threat as j Edgar Hoover thought, but they were

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Speaker 3: pretty darn close. You guys are way too liberal and

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00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: doing what you do. You shouldn't show your bias. Stop

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Speaker 3: the laughing, because you two are more often not funny.

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Speaker 2: I love this guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just gonna leave it Anonymous.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's probably for the best. Well, thanks a lot, Anonymous.

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Speaker 2: We do love to get criticized sometimes and it's a

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Speaker 2: legitimate bone you pick there, But I'm afraid we're probably

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Speaker 2: not going to change the way that we do the show.

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Speaker 3: That's a very kind way of responding.

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Speaker 2: If you want to be like Anonymous and get in

948
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Speaker 2: touch to this and be like stop doing this, so

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00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 2: we can be like, no, we're not going to stop

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00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: doing that. We love those. You can wrap it up,

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Speaker 2: spank it on the bottom, and send it off to

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Speaker 2: Stuff Podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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