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Speaker 1: Revere, Revere Dalks.

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Speaker 2: Look at this now. Tip to tim. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion.

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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Hey, what's up everyone? Happy fourth

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Speaker 1: of July. On this July fifth, twenty twenty three, it's

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Speaker 1: time for your Wednesday edition of Morning Combat. Not in

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas, of all places. How are you doing everyone?

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Speaker 1: My name is Luke Thomas. I join you from the

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Speaker 1: capital of the Status of Needles right here in Washington, DC,

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Speaker 1: joined by the gentleman this way on the screen goes

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Speaker 1: by many names. My Morning Jacket is his favorite band

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Speaker 1: and he loves Arby's and pornography. It's Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Brian Campbell, Hi, Luke Thomas. Thank you for that

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Speaker 2: disgusting introduction. Yeah, but repping the band, Luke, you know

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Speaker 2: all time grandfather son moment last Friday they at the

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Speaker 2: didn't expect to come in here and tell you I

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Speaker 2: just saw the best concert in the history of my

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Speaker 2: But you know, sometimes Luke, timing is perfect you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. So, uh, score one for Father's Day late. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: A bunch of people emailed me telling me like, hey,

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Speaker 1: are all the songs you should like. I gave a

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Speaker 2: yeahya Rodriguez entering this featherweight title unification. Okay, they are

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Speaker 2: here to kick some ass, but enjoy that. And hey,

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Speaker 2: how about this. It's International Fight Week, Luke. We don't

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Speaker 1: Number one, the pregame preview for International Fight Week for

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Speaker 1: UFC two ninety with Chuckmandenhall is up right now YouTube

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Speaker 1: UFC two ninety pregame preview with the iceman himself. That

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Speaker 1: So go please go check that out. We put we've

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Speaker 1: If you wanted the fuller preview, there it is. That's

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Speaker 1: Okay, we got this indeed. So Showtime is the label

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Speaker 2: in the Dunk of the Year voting for the New Year,

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Speaker 2: say this one last thing. If my life ever falls

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You do that all well,

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Speaker 2: Luke, what could what could fix a lot of a

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Speaker 2: lot of you know, Uh, weight cutting issues is three letters?

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Speaker 2: Then begins with a chef kas okay, Chef Cast Okay,

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Speaker 2: didn't he used to cook for Nganu?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? How bitter is he that we're not in Vegas?

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Speaker 1: It's a joke. Everyone learn to take it all right?

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Speaker 1: Here we go. Do you see anything else you want

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Speaker 2: If you did it down there in Oceania, Luke, it

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Speaker 1: But it was. It was a good commercial for Sean Strickland.

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Speaker 2: Let's imagine Robert Whitaker wins, because the odds makers tell

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think so. But what

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Speaker 1: All right, so I'm not spoken with Izzy, but I

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Speaker 2: So we'll see legendary Polish power against Poton, who is

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Speaker 1: And when he lost it to Artim Vakitov, Artum was

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Speaker 2: So I think your boy should move up now? Is

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Speaker 2: you know, fun action fight. But there's been no clear

432
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Speaker 2: cut killer coming out of there, right, you know what

433
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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like maybe Prahatska, but he hasn't been able

434
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Speaker 2: to stay healthy. This might be the time for is

435
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Speaker 2: he to take off six to nine months, do the

436
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Speaker 2: John Jones thing, put some weight the right way on

437
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Speaker 2: your body, and then come out swinging.

438
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Speaker 1: Just mean yes, and just lasting. I'd say on this too.

439
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,600
Speaker 1: This is also kind of where the fact that there's

440
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 1: not enough weight classes hurts MMA from getting guys to

441
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Speaker 1: move on. Because if this were boxing, even if he

442
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,159
Speaker 1: had rec captured that title against Pareta and there was

443
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Speaker 1: like another weight class, you know, within ten or so pounds,

444
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 1: he just dropped the belts and move like. There's no

445
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind he wouldn't stay. He would just

446
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,879
Speaker 1: move BC. There is one more fight I would like

447
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Speaker 1: to talk about on this card for just a second,

448
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 1: if we can't. It went poorly, uh for Kevin Lee against.

449
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Speaker 2: For Yeah, I'm not here. I'm not I'm not emotion emotionally, Luke,

450
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you want me to do?

451
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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, here's the finish. You can see right here.

452
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 1: He gets rocked with a right hand and then scrambles

453
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Speaker 1: head first and then for Kretdanov leaves him face down

454
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Speaker 1: on the mat. This is for I mean for Kretdanov

455
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 1: went the distance with Brian BATTLEBC, and then Kevin Lee

456
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 1: couldn't last about thirty seconds. I gotta tell you, I

457
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Speaker 1: we have been on the bandwagon for Kevin Lee for

458
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Speaker 1: some time. I hated seeing this for him. If I

459
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Speaker 1: can just be honest with you, I hated seeing this

460
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Speaker 1: for him. I really really did broke my heart. It

461
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 1: broke my heart. But BC, there's there's one more part

462
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Speaker 1: of this that broke my heart. I was like, man,

463
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 1: he looks like he barely move. I actually went back

464
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Speaker 1: and I watched some of his earlier fights due there

465
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Speaker 1: is simply no denying in my judgment, for whatever that

466
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 1: is worth, that those knee injuries have absolutely, I mean

467
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: brutally damaged his ability to fight mixed martial arts at

468
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Speaker 1: a high level. I wonder what your reaction is.

469
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Speaker 2: The double knee brace that he came out with, the

470
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Speaker 2: double knee rash guard, whatever you want to call that.

471
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Speaker 2: Luke was an interesting sign. Whenever you see that, it

472
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Speaker 2: sort of gives you, you know, the potential of a

473
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Speaker 2: red flag that something could be wrong. I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: The movement didn't seem crisps. Nothing really did. Although to

475
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Speaker 2: be fair, look was the fight a minute long. We

476
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Speaker 2: didn't really get to see anything. Only this is the

477
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Speaker 2: worst case scenario. I think even if Kevin Lee had

478
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Speaker 2: come out, had a couple moments earlier, early, but was

479
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Speaker 2: flat over the last round and a half and still

480
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 2: lost a wide decision, I still think there's an element

481
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Speaker 2: of okay, let's shake off the rust. Maybe future champion

482
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 2: thing was all of you know, setting him up to fail.

483
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Speaker 2: But hey, could he still be a active, contending fight.

484
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Speaker 2: Let's give him a chance. He's only thirty. I mean, dude,

485
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Speaker 2: what are you going to say after this performance? And

486
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Speaker 2: I hate that because Luke his mindset seemed to be

487
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Speaker 2: when I interviewed him, like seemed to be exactly where

488
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Speaker 2: you would want it. He looked like he was in

489
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Speaker 2: great shape. He hadn't had sustained damage over the past

490
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Speaker 2: couple of years, he had a chance to melt mentally

491
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Speaker 2: and physically reset. Yet he comes in in a in

492
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Speaker 2: a tough matchup, you know, under the radar, on the

493
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Speaker 2: pre limbs, and that happens. I don't. I don't know

494
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Speaker 2: how you come back from that, just the aesthetics of it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, Luke, does does he survive this?

496
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Speaker 2: You could still be an opponent for people? But are

497
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Speaker 2: we already there? I guess we are. I guess we

498
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Speaker 2: got to wake up. We are already there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just I'll just say this. I hope,

500
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Speaker 1: I hope we are Yeah, I agree, I hope we

501
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: are desperately wrong. I really do. I hope we are wrong.

502
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Speaker 1: But the fact that he looks like he can barely move,

503
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Speaker 1: and one of the things that's been a problem with

504
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Speaker 1: him even since this, I mean for a long time,

505
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: but like in a magnified way, even since the second

506
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Speaker 1: Eyaquinta fight was head movement, and he still didn't have any.

507
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Speaker 1: He wasn't fainting, he wasn't he wasn't forcing reactions, he

508
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: wasn't he wasn't doing any of the kinds of things

509
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Speaker 1: that a person moving in that role needs to do,

510
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Speaker 1: and he got like taken apart instantly by for Kreta, who,

511
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Speaker 1: by the way, is a very skilled fighter. I mean

512
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Speaker 1: it's like he was fighting some some chump. He's fighting

513
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: a very good guy, but you know, he just looked

514
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Speaker 1: like a guy they had plucked from you know, cage

515
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Speaker 1: fur he fighting championships on last minute notice and put

516
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Speaker 1: him in there, And I fucking dude, of all the

517
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Speaker 1: even the Diego Sanchez fight he got injured in, you know,

518
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Speaker 1: of all the fights I've seen him in, this one

519
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Speaker 1: more than any other one. Actually kind of broke my

520
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Speaker 1: heart a little.

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Speaker 2: Even if he come out luke gunsblaze and had some

522
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Speaker 2: big moments and then got stopped, at least you're like, Okay,

523
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Speaker 2: that's a Kevin Lee fight. That's what Kevin Lee fights.

524
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately end up looking like this. This was disastrous in

525
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Speaker 2: that regard. And I don't look, we're not supposed to

526
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 2: get emotionally invested in guys, but it happens because we

527
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 2: love the sport, and you end up in certain cases

528
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Speaker 2: loving certain personalities or backstories or whatever. I don't know

529
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Speaker 2: what it is about Kevin Lee that you and I

530
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Speaker 2: fell in so hard. Luke, it's that smile.

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Speaker 1: No, dude, he's a great athlete. Like obviously he works

532
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Speaker 1: very hard, but genetically he is a great athlete. And

533
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Speaker 1: then early on he had real key pieces of skills.

534
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Speaker 1: Plus he had he could talk, you know, that made

535
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Speaker 1: you think like wow, like with some development, he could

536
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Speaker 1: really turn into something. And of course he did have

537
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Speaker 1: some good wins and some great performances even in some losses.

538
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Speaker 1: But he at age thirty, his knees look wrecked to me.

539
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 1: His mobility looks like it's not really there, and all

540
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Speaker 1: the things that kind of need to be more in

541
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: place at this point are not even close. And that

542
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: was a bad one. That was a really really really

543
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Speaker 1: bad one. Uh frequently see.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into two ninety, Luke, I wanted to

545
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: close and shout out somebody on that fight Night card

546
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Speaker 2: if he gets please do Yeah, it ended up being

547
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Speaker 2: early on in the card, Luke, But with this heavyweight division,

548
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: you know how short the path is to the top,

549
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Speaker 2: And I want to shout out Alexander Romanov. It's weird. Luke.

550
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Speaker 2: I came into this show today following his decision, went

551
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Speaker 2: over blagoy Ivnov to snap a two fight losing streak,

552
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 2: being not necessarily sure if I was going to praise

553
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: or criticize him. Ultimately that came down to he did

554
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: not come in shape. Luke came in at two hundred

555
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: and sixty four pounds. Here's a quick recap two fights ago.

556
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Speaker 2: Romanov was at two forty when he was unbeaten going

557
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Speaker 2: in there against Taybura. He got gast out badly, lost

558
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: a majority of decision. His stock was in question suddenly,

559
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: and then he came in disastrously overweight against Alexander Volkoff

560
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Speaker 2: and got stopped. What I didn't know. The information I

561
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: found out after this victory was that, although he didn't

562
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Speaker 2: identify it, Romanov admitted to going through something very tragic

563
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Speaker 2: in the build up to the loss to Volkoff that

564
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: did not allow him mentally or physically to train at

565
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Speaker 2: the level he needed to be. He said, he's still

566
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 2: at the wrong weight, right. He came in at two

567
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Speaker 2: sixty four. I guess the difference this time, Luke is

568
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 2: we saw a game plan. I mean, look, I don't

569
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: think he looked incredible against Ivanof, but he did what

570
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Speaker 2: he had to do to win. The boxing from distance

571
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 2: was good. He mixed in the physicality of forcing the

572
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Speaker 2: clinch and getting some trip or throw takedowns. But he

573
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: had a little moment here. We could throw the video

574
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 2: getting the BJJ black belt from his coaches after the victory.

575
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Speaker 2: It can be a thin line between success and failure

576
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Speaker 2: in this sport and also in how we sort of

577
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: judge these guys after sort of finding out this information

578
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: of whatever he went through that really slowed him down.

579
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Speaker 2: You have to praise him for coming back getting this win.

580
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Speaker 2: And I think listening to an extended translating interviews with

581
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Speaker 2: him after the fight did sound like he's back in

582
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: a good place. And if that's true, Luke, he's actually

583
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: not that far away from getting into big fights. He's really, though,

584
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Speaker 2: going to have to get into top end shape so

585
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 2: that gas take. If that guest tink isn't a problem,

586
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 2: He's a very interesting out in this division. Let's throw

587
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: that video quickly.

588
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Speaker 1: Alexander King Kong romanovs. How about that he's getting the

589
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: black belts in the octagon.

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Speaker 2: What a setting for that, Laura, That is absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations to him, and I mean I would be giving

592
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Speaker 2: him some.

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Speaker 1: Sort of boxing belt based on that fight. I thought

594
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Speaker 1: his boxing like sensation, but no doubt that man needs to.

595
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: He's a black belt for sure. Lucas clear there was

596
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 2: a heavy burden that he that he got through to

597
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: see the emotion there of getting that belt put on.

598
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Speaker 2: If he cuts twenty pounds, he's back in it, right.

599
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: I think this, I think this restored some faith. Yeah,

600
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: and he looked a little bit more present in the

601
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: fight in ways that were important. You're right about the weight.

602
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: It's still not great, but yeah, I think there's a

603
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: lot of people being like, ah, we're done with Romanov

604
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Speaker 1: and then now it's like, okay, let's see he's still

605
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: young in heavyweight years anyway, So okay, BC, let's talk

606
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: about topic number two. This is, after all, UFC two

607
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Speaker 1: ninety fight week, So let's talk about UFC two ninety

608
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Speaker 1: the eleventh installment of the Internet. Maybe actually it's the tenth.

609
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Speaker 1: I can't remember the number because it started there was

610
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Speaker 1: like a year off, doesn't matter, eleven years later from

611
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Speaker 1: the original. UFC two ninety of course, going to be

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Speaker 1: headlined by Alexander Bolkonowski taking on Yayra Rodriguez BC. Before

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Speaker 1: we get to actually some of the ways we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about these fights. And again one more reminder

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Speaker 1: if you've not seen it, do YouTube dot com slash

616
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Speaker 1: Morning Combat the UFC two ninety Morning Combat pregame preview

617
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Speaker 1: with BC, myself and Chuck Mindenhall. It's up right now,

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Speaker 1: we'll have it. We have the We did an hour

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Speaker 1: and fifteen on this whole card. But BC, what I

620
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Speaker 1: want to ask here now that we're actually in fight

621
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Speaker 1: week and it is Wednesday, what do you get from

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Speaker 1: the fans sense about how they feel about this week

623
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Speaker 1: and ultimately Saturday's fights.

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Speaker 2: Well, I feel a lot of hite if you can

625
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: feel the excitement come from the hardcore fan base. Look,

626
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: this is not a bad card by any means. We

627
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Speaker 2: did spend some portion of that pregame preview debating whether,

628
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Speaker 2: in light of the current landscape of softer matchmaking, was

629
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Speaker 2: this IFW card on the level of previous history. That's

630
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Speaker 2: a separate topic, right, and we did that. But is

631
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: this card actually good to great and worth your excitement?

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Speaker 1: Love?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty damn good card, Luke. I wouldn't

634
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: call it overwhelmingly great, but it's pretty damn good and

635
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: you're feeling that from the hardcorees And I think you're

636
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: feeling that too from the specific fan bases. The Mexican

637
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: fan base with both uh with both Moreno defending the

638
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: title in the co main event and Yahyere going for

639
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: the full title in the main event is certainly a

640
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: big moment. I think also, obviously for Australia, a lot

641
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: of down Under folks on this card, Luke, So I

642
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: think the real fan spirit is there. I just don't

643
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: see this necessarily as a big crossover card that is

644
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Speaker 2: waking up the casual sports fan base that comes over

645
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Speaker 2: for the big ones.

646
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. I mean again, we said

647
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: it on the pregame preview, which is that in Alexander Volkonowski,

648
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: you've got a guy who either is or has a

649
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: very good case for being number one pound per pound

650
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: in the sport. And whenever a guy like that competes,

651
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,479
Speaker 1: especially in the title defense, it's important to give that

652
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: respect and pay attention. It's gonna sound like I'm backing

653
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: on ham of the card. I really don't mean it

654
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: that way. I am excited for Saturday's fights. I think

655
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: this card, even with some of the late injuries which

656
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: we'll talk about in just a second, and some changes

657
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: I still think is very, very good and very much

658
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: worth your time. I'm looking forward to seeing it. I

659
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: just think we also have to be honest BC. It

660
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: takes a long time in many cases for someone to

661
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: go from an unknown to becoming an action crossover star,

662
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: and certainly Volkanowski has crossed over the threshold into elite

663
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: MMA talent. But I think what I've detected and just

664
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: on seeing what some of the content around this has done,

665
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: both on our channel and everyone else's, he's not there yet.

666
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: He is not a crossover star yet. He's a very

667
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: good fighter, but I remember it took Anderson Silva a

668
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: really long time to get there too. It all seems

669
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: like it was obvious from the word go. It was not.

670
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: He is on his path, so we shall see it now.

671
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: He's got a style that at its foundation, Luke is

672
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: more of a thinking man style, although to his credit,

673
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: he's completely rounded that out on every level at the

674
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: elite level and can be a finisher now. But it

675
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: just takes a while. If you're not a trash talker,

676
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: if you haven't had multiple dances with somebody who is

677
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: jumped through your screen popular He's had three fights with Holloway,

678
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: which is bringing out to some ledger, but there's a

679
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: reason why he's chasing a McGregor fight. Sort of on

680
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: the side, that's the ultimate sort of breakthrough opportunity those

681
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: type of situations for sure.

682
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. You got to look how

683
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: long it took Izzy, and I'm not even sure exactly

684
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: where he is, but it has taken him a very

685
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: long time to get to that point. So let's do that. Okay. So,

686
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: b C, here's what we're gonna do. We've got different

687
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: ways in which we want to talk about the card, right,

688
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: So when we think about the card, sometimes we tell friends, Hey,

689
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to this fight the most, or i

690
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: hate this fight, or what's the one you're watching? B C.

691
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tee you up. And I kind of want

692
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: you to answer the question as I ask it, if

693
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: that makes sense by picking a fight and telling me

694
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: why that's the answer. So let's go first on this one.

695
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: I want to know what is the biggest question for

696
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: you heading into Saturday's main event.

697
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's ultimately like, what's the true calling

698
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: card of this fight separate from it being a featherweight

699
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: unification between two exciting fighters, you know, one the pomp

700
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: for pound king, one who's been in and around that

701
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: top ten pound for pound for this recent rising run,

702
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: which is YEAHI Rodriguez. The biggest question for me, undoubtedly

703
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: is how does Vulk deal with the wild, dangerous unpredictability

704
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: of Yaya Rodriguez, Because that's the true question in this

705
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: matchup for all of us to try to figure out.

706
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: Volkanovsky has almost mastered the game. He's a true wizard

707
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: of footwork, game plan, adaptability, angles, I mean every part

708
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: about the technical aspect. He has seemed to dominate and

709
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: master that, Luke. I'm not saying it's perfectly equivalent on

710
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: the boxing side to somebody like Floyd Mayweather, but there

711
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: was something about the tail end of Mayweather's run when

712
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: we were hoping right when certain opponents wild pop up.

713
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: Is he gonna take the Pacio fight? Will he take

714
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: this one? Will he take this one? Remember those two

715
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: fights with Marcos Madonna. I bring those up for a

716
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: reason because Mayweather was so dominant in controlling the terms

717
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: of the fight, maybe not different from Volkanovski that anything

718
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: you threw out him that was orthodox. Any right handed

719
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: fighter who did basic things they could do these things

720
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: at a great level, or even South Paul. I mean,

721
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: look what he was able to do against Pakia when

722
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: they finally fought. My point was, you came at somebody

723
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: like Mayweather with a traditional style, He's more than armed

724
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: to give that trouble, to dissect it, to take over

725
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: the terms of the fight and shut them down. That's

726
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: really not different from what Volkanovski's been able to do

727
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: against really anybody at the highest level who comes with

728
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: that style. It's what can the wild cards do. There's

729
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: a reason why that first fight for Mayweather against Marcos

730
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: Madonna at that point, at the peak of his dangerous powers,

731
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: was more interesting than a lot of us thought. It

732
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: was was a majority decision on the cards at the

733
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: end of the day. It's because it is hard to

734
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: prepare for violent unpredictability when it's raised up to the

735
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: highest level. And that's what Yaya Rodriguez is bringing to

736
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: the dance right now. It's the spinning stuff, it's the

737
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: crazy angles, it's the doubling up of strikes at the

738
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: times in sequences you wouldn't expect. Everything that Yayir brings

739
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: to the table is different. Along with the speed, the power,

740
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: and the intention. I mean, look, a big part of

741
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: what makes Yayar so danger right now is that full

742
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: circle maturity. He has come to a point in his

743
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: career where he's been able to take those flashes of

744
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: brilliance and level it out and present it in a

745
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: compelling package that is good enough to beat elite guys

746
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 2: over time. No, he didn't beat Max Holloway in that thriller,

747
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: but he showed you in that fight that was the

748
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: beginning of this turn that he is super elite, that

749
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: he truly has raised his game, whether you believe that.

750
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, this is a fight

751
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: Volkanowski handles with relative ease or not. Figuring out ya

752
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: Year is not going to be easy, and that's the

753
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: true test of somebody who's an absolute technician like Volkanowski.

754
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: How does he deal with the with the offbeat craziness

755
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: of ya Year and will that be enough? Can Yaiyir

756
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: establish enough threat or damage early to really make this

757
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: an interesting and competitive fight over the five full rounds.

758
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: I think Luke at the very most basic white belt

759
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: take form. That's what I got to see. Vulk had

760
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 2: a crazy issue opponent in the past who had enough

761
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: skills to be that danger, and that was Brian Ortega

762
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 2: and we had a crazy moment. To Volk's credit, Boy

763
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: did he show poise and swim through that joke and

764
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: get out of it, turn that fight around and dominate it. Yeah,

765
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: hear brings a different type of craziness and threat to

766
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: the table. But Luke, the whole point of it is,

767
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: it's not something you can adequately prepare for. There's not

768
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people who could mimic exactly what Yayir

769
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: does and the unpredictability of it. It's gonna be fun

770
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: to see Volk have to deal with that because the

771
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: key real meaning of this matchup to me is this

772
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 2: might be the end of the era of volcanofs get

773
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: By the way, we don't know if he's going to

774
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: hang around and take on to Puria or try to

775
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: or end up Max the fourth time. I think it's

776
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: more likely he moves on after this. Well, this is

777
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 2: the last guy in the elite circle, separate familiar who

778
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: just kind of arrived who you're like, he could do it.

779
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: That guy right there can do it, And it's because

780
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: you can't prepare for what's coming at you.

781
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: I think that's a great way to say it. I

782
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: saw that Yair had even presented this to the public,

783
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: that like what I have over what other guys who

784
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: have fought Volkanovski don't have his unpredictability. And people were

785
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: scoffing at that, and I'm like that that seems exactly

786
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: on the money. Now, whether that will work, you know, okay,

787
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: I guess well, we shall see. But as a way

788
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: of thinking about what you can do differently in this

789
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: contest and how he finds I think that's exactly on

790
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: the money. Also, the interesting part to Mebcee, in conjunction

791
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: with what you're saying, is I really don't have much

792
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: doubt that over time Volkanovsky will be able to land

793
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: on Yayir. I think that seems a foregone conclusion. I mean,

794
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: how much will he do ith blah blah blah, But

795
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: like he's gonna find some good opportunities. He's just too

796
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: good at creating them. However, here's the point you have

797
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: to really realize is, like, you know, a guy like

798
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: Max is a bit of a rhythm fighter. It takes

799
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: him a second to get going. Yayir is hot out

800
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: of the gate, usually right Usually he's hot out of

801
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: the gate. Can you discipline a guy like that? Right?

802
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean, in other words, if Volkanovski was able to

803
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: land consistently on yayear, you could at least see a

804
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: case where he could get in his head and then

805
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: make him second guess himself about what he should throw

806
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But I just feel like Yair for better

807
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: or for worse is unencumbered by that, And a lot

808
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: of times that means he gets hit, But a lot

809
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: of times it means like he's just gonna throw shit

810
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: that guys are simply, to your point, unprepared for. I

811
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: think that matters. I think that matters a lot against

812
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: the guy who's been dropped multiple times by multiple contenders.

813
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: Yes, and okay, well Max had to do in round one,

814
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: Luke to get through that early storm, right, Max took

815
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: it on the chin in round one. There were points

816
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: in that in that Max versus diiir fight in the

817
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: in the end of round one where I'm like, you

818
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: can't stand in there and take these type of shots,

819
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: not just for your long term but but to function

820
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: in this fight. Volk cannot stand in there and take

821
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: what Max took. Obviously, Vulk has different skills to avoid

822
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: and evade, but at some point they're gonna cross up

823
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: Luke in ways that even Volkanowski can't prepare for.

824
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: Acquily, I completely agree with this assessment, and I'm glad

825
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: you brought it up. You see, let's stick with you

826
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: for just a second. We'll go through yours, then we'll

827
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: go through mine. So of all the fighters, I guess

828
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you could say, and then what's

829
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: talking about? You know, the guy on the opener of

830
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: the prelambs, But in the way in which it matters

831
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: that the important fights on the main card, tell me

832
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: in your mind, which fighter No. One is talking about?

833
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's thirty three year old Brazilian submission expert Luke

834
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: Alexandre Puntojia And it's a lot of coming into this

835
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 2: comain of any challenging Brandon Moreno for the Flyway title,

836
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: of course, But it's that history you talked about it

837
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: on the pregame preview. He's got two wins over Moreno

838
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: before this one by submission and an exhibition on the

839
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: Ultimate Fighter Tournament of Champions show from a bunch of

840
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 2: years back. Luke, that was going all the way back

841
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: to twenty sixteen, but how about number two when they

842
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: fought again back in twenty eighteen, and it was a

843
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: Pantosia unanimous this decision by two of the three score cards,

844
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: going thirty to twenty six. So we talk a lot

845
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: in the past, whether it's you know, Pat Cummings to Poeton.

846
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: When you have that mental edge of having defeated somebody,

847
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: what does that do for you? How can you do that?

848
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: Is Brandon Marino a better fighter than he was, you know,

849
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: seven years ago when they met m Tough, or even

850
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: five years ago when they met in that first official

851
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: UFC fight. Obviously he has raised his game to a

852
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: near or right there pound for pound level. But I

853
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: think when you look at the betting odds and Caesars

854
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: right now for this comin event has minus one ninety

855
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: moreno plus one sixty. Pantosia, Dude, Pantosia, I believe at

856
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: this moment is as live a dog on this card

857
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 2: as you can find. But why are we so quick

858
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: to just move past the combination of that mental ledge

859
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: of having defeated him twice and again once by submission

860
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: and won by dominant scores on the cards, And you've

861
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: got a Pantosa at thirty three, who's riding a three

862
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 2: fight win streak back to back finishes over Brandon Royville

863
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: and Alex Perez, both on the elite level. Perez a

864
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 2: former title challenger, So we know that this division has

865
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: been all about fun parody in the post Suhudo and

866
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: Mighty Mouse era. I think coming into here people are

867
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: not only not talking about Pantosa's chances in the larger

868
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: Mexican MMA storyline, which I think is a very important

869
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: one when you look at the fighters on this card,

870
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: but Luke even odds, WHA, this guy's coming in hot, heavy,

871
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 2: with confidence, ready to attack, ready to finish. People got

872
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: to wake up and look at what we're gonna see here.

873
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: Aldanna may have kind of added an early hangover to

874
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: the Mexican may dream by not being able to become

875
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: the fourth fighter to grab a belt in succession. But

876
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: Pantosha is a problem for Marino, has been historically, and

877
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: I feel like people are just like, oh, yeah, this

878
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: will be a fun Flyway title fight, Okay, onto the

879
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 2: next storyline. No, the storyline is Pantosha's dominance and whether

880
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: he can continue that.

881
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: On Saturday BC, I was trying to noodle this, like,

882
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: why is it the case that, to your point, which

883
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: I think is very correct, he's being so overlooked and

884
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: obviously in North America, or I should say, yeah, well,

885
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: in North America he doesn't speak to the native language.

886
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: He doesn't do interviews in this language, and that can

887
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: hurt you. And you can say, well, other guys have

888
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: had that issue and they've gotten through, right, But a

889
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: lot of times it's already as champion, they were championed early,

890
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: and then they use that championship halo to people to

891
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: get their personality. But BC, I have something else, and

892
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to this. Actually want to

893
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: ask you, is you what you thought? You know? The

894
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: last time they fought one another pantoja and Moreno, it

895
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: was in twenty eighteen. I know a lot of people

896
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: who started watching MMA more so from the pandemic onwards

897
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, or obviously much more closely twenty twenty. At

898
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: this point, now we're in twenty twenty three. How likely

899
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: is it that one of the reasons people aren't hype

900
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: for this is not only do you have a guy

901
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: who doesn't speak the language, who hasn't been on big

902
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: cards that people find memorable or big fights anyway that

903
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: people find memorable, but a lot of them just weren't

904
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: around when Moreno was on the Ultimate Fighter or getting

905
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: his ass kicked by Pantoja the second time they fought.

906
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, I mean that could justify it right there

907
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: as well, Luke, I mean, I just don't know how.

908
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: You don't know how you don't watch the four fight

909
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: series in which Moreno just finished engaging with with Figaredo,

910
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: where it was, Yeah, he ends up being the more

911
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: dominant fighter, getting you know, winning the rivalry, but there's

912
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: a lot of hot and cold minutes throughout that rivalry.

913
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: There's a lot of parody at the top of this division.

914
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: I don't think Pantoja is that much of a difference,

915
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: or let's say, step down from what Figaredo brought to

916
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: the table the last three fights. This is going to

917
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: be because it's the flyweight division in this era. Probably

918
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: an exciting and fun fight on paper, but I just think, man,

919
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: this is a big challenge for the champion to undertake

920
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: in the first reign of his new defense. Here, his

921
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: new reign, first title defensive, his new rank.

922
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: Excuse me, see, I will say one more thing, like

923
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: when the UFC. Okay, So I am very glad that

924
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: the UFC kept the flyweight division. I am. And you know,

925
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: should they have kept DJ? Obviously he turned out to

926
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: be a much better talent than Ben Askrin, but in

927
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: terms of MMA anyway. But the reality is, I actually

928
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: thought it made sense for Ben to come here. I

929
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: thought it made sense for DJ to go there. Both

930
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: parties got something out of it. I think the fans

931
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: got something out of it. So I'm not I'm not

932
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 1: against that trade or whatever you want to call that either.

933
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: I don't think that was necessarily the worst thing in

934
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: the world at all. But like I remember that when

935
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: the UFC was at least considering acting the flyweight division,

936
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: there are people who are putting their hands up and

937
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: being like, oh my god, how could they consider such

938
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: a thing. Well, this is how they can consider such

939
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: a thing. Not that I agree with cutting it, but like,

940
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: why would it be on their mind? Of the men's division,

941
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: this is arguably the most underperforming one, not from the

942
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: quality of fights, which is why ultimately it wins the

943
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: argument about why it should stay around, but rather from

944
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: a salesmanship standpoint. And I know that you can say,

945
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: b seen, you probably will the UFC can be doing

946
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: a better job of selling it fair enough, but it

947
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: is at least also worth asking no matter what you

948
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: think of the general public's fight palette, and of course

949
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: it is shit since there are a bunch of people

950
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: who'll be like, oh, we want you will fight musk. Yep,

951
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: you got the fight palete of a toddler. That's the reality.

952
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: But the truth is, in terms of the biggest buying

953
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: portion of the audience who buys UFC pay per views,

954
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: what is their appetite for flyweight action, flyweight storylines, flyweight fighters,

955
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 1: you name it. It's not very strong. Most of the time.

956
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: It's not very strong. And we should be able to

957
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: be honest about that and say that, not that it

958
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: justifies all the things that have been said about it

959
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: or whatever, But dude, the Flyway Division from a commercial standpoint,

960
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: is a consistent underperformer. I don't know why we are

961
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: not allowed to say that out loud.

962
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: It's true, No, it is, it is, and I get

963
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 2: you know, and Mikey put Mikey offered what you tease

964
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: there that UFC is not doing a good job. It's

965
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 2: selling the storyline of the rivalry between them or having

966
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: up to this point. Maybe Fight week will change that.

967
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: But you know what would be a better storyline for

968
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: this division in the UFC Brandon Moreno figuring out Figuredo

969
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: and becoming a sustained champion representing Mexico. Yeah, all of

970
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 2: that stuff wines up the storyline for this card kind

971
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 2: of runs into the main event and the larger Mexican

972
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: MMA window. But you make fair points about the division

973
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: at large. I still give McK maynard a lot of credit.

974
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: He seems to be the one who really fought to

975
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 2: make compelling matchups and keep this division strong. It is

976
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: a strong division and entertainment wise, as you said, every

977
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: single time out any of these these elites fight each other.

978
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: The problem, if you call it a problem, Luke, is

979
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: that they're so even anyone could be cheat. I thought

980
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: that Scarraskarov was one fight away from being championed at

981
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: some point. Now he's out of it. Anyone can be champion,

982
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: it seems, at any point. So it is something to

983
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: watch betting wise, especially with the underdog money on Pantosia

984
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: coming in here.

985
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: All right, I just want to point out how could

986
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: they how could they do this to the flyweights because

987
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: they're not a winner at the box office consistently. Okay.

988
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 2: I mean they would have done it with the featherweights

989
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: if Amanda wasn't a two division champion, right, they may.

990
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: They may have done it with the bantam weights too well,

991
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: for all we know.

992
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: And also people will be like, oh, I'd cut heavyweight

993
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: before I cut flyweight. No, as a fan, you'd be

994
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: more okay with them cutting it. If you were a promoter,

995
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: you would not be okay with that because you'd realize

996
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: the larger public's attitude even for shitty or heavyweight fights,

997
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: is much higher than it is for much high quality

998
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: flyweight fights. So you keep flying around because it's quality,

999
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: but you don't have to pretend it's a box office winner.

1000
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: It's not sure, Okay. Last thing I want to I

1001
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: want to ask you about here BC for the t

1002
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: ups on UFC two ninety, tell me on this card

1003
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: the fighter you are actually and speaking of Kevin Lee

1004
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: from last weekend, sure, tell me who you're most concerned

1005
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: about heading into Saturday.

1006
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hate to say this, Luke, because he's still

1007
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 2: so competent and so game, but thirty three year old

1008
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: Dan Hooker is entering a very interesting fight. There's not

1009
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: as much scare and danger because he was able to

1010
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: snap the most recent losing skatet. He came back in

1011
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: November of last year and finished Claudio Poisius by bodykick Luke,

1012
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 2: and that's sort of like, Okay, he's back on track.

1013
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: But here's the thing Hooker is welcoming Jalen Turner. This

1014
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: is not going to be an easy fight. Turner has

1015
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: really developed into a top flight finisher and somebody who's

1016
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: knocking on the door of larger contendership. And as game

1017
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 2: as Dan Hooker is, you do have to fall back

1018
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: to that you are. You know that Bill Parcells quote

1019
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 2: that I teas earlier. You are what your record says

1020
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: you are. And Luke Hooker has lost four of six fights.

1021
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: He was stopped in three of them. Yes, we're talking

1022
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: about the names that he's lost to our poorier Chandler,

1023
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: Mahachev and Arnold Allen. So that's about as good or

1024
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: great as it gets. But when you open yourself up

1025
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 2: and you are overly game at times to sustain damage

1026
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 2: in order to stay in and try to win fights,

1027
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: it catches up to you. The pounding at thirty three

1028
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: has caught up to him. The I mean, look, Dan

1029
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: Hooker could not have done more to hold position, to

1030
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: try to hold position throughout all the ups and downs

1031
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: in recent years, and that's been injuries, defeats, the cod

1032
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 2: remember the COVID setups. He would have to you know,

1033
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: go home, but see his family behind a fence as

1034
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: he you know, during the pandemic, as he sits out

1035
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: and waits. The amount of time he's stayed in the US,

1036
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: he's taken fights on late notice, he's switched away classes,

1037
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: he's done everything possible to try to go back. Really,

1038
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: I think to that Dustin Poorier fight where he came

1039
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: in on a three fight win streak, it looked like

1040
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: he was ready to go for it all. He fought

1041
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: bravely over five rounds in a war with Poorier, didn't

1042
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: come up out out on. But since then, Luke, that's

1043
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: begin this overall slide. Enough flesh is a brilliance where

1044
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: we're not regularly talking about, oh man, this Hooker done. No,

1045
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: he's not done, Luke, but he's going in there against

1046
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 2: a finisher. Hooker's got a recent history of being finished

1047
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: by elite fighters. Is the tarantula ultimately going to become

1048
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 2: one of those elite fighters. He has a chance to

1049
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: do that on Saturday, and he has a chance to

1050
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: finish Dan Hooker in the process. It's not like I would,

1051
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: you know, what else am I gonna say to Hooker?

1052
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: Go take easy fights from here on out there there?

1053
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: You know, we don't do that here, Luke, you know

1054
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: say we don't. We largely don't do that here. He's

1055
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: doing what he has to do to get back on track.

1056
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: He takes on whoever's available. But I feel, unfortunately like

1057
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: Dan Hooker is becoming destined to be lightweight Michael Johnson

1058
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: now right, he's kind of becoming destined to be that

1059
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: always dangerous game guy who will fight anybody. But the

1060
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: losses are adding up much more than the wins, and

1061
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: when your account finishes into it. I am a little

1062
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: nervous entering this fight and still think it's a very

1063
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: much a a must win situation for Hugger.

1064
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was actually surprised when he was I think

1065
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: interviewed by Submission Radio and they asked him, hey, you know,

1066
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: I forget exactly what question prompted it, But he'd been

1067
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: ended up mentioning that he was offered Tony Ferguson that

1068
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: this was like offended and what he really wants is

1069
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: like the very best guys. But my response to that

1070
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: would be like one, you know, he you know, it's

1071
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: funny after not directly after the Eds and Borbosa fight,

1072
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: but like whatever he had after that. I had him

1073
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: on my radio show and at the time, and I

1074
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: interviewed him and I was like, you know, are you

1075
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: concerned about the level of damage you've taken? And he

1076
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: was very nonchalant about it, like, you know, it's not

1077
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: like a boxer who was His response was, you know,

1078
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 1: gets hit to the head constantly. The punishment was distributed throughout,

1079
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: so it's just not nearly as pronounced. But of course

1080
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: that that trauma will have an effect as well. It's

1081
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: not like there's yees. Some forms of trauma are not

1082
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: as bad as others in terms of a prize fighting career,

1083
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: but they're all pretty fucking bad for you. And so

1084
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: I think there's a REASONA believe that some of those

1085
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: chickens have come home to roost. We should I'll see

1086
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Jalen Turner, by the way, undefeated against oceanic fighters. Uh,

1087
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: but four of them, I believe. But b see, the

1088
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: thing that really sort of stood out to me about

1089
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: it all, was like, dude, it's not a linear path, right,

1090
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: Like everyone thinks the way to get a title shot

1091
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: is you beat number eleven, then you beat number nine,

1092
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 1: then you beat number seven, then you beat number six,

1093
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: then you beat number three. It doesn't work that way

1094
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: at all. I mean it can work that way. But

1095
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: beating Tony, especially if you beat the shit out of him,

1096
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: you've got uh, he's had a big name. That'd be

1097
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: a restorative win. Then you call your shot for the

1098
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: next big fight. You use that to get the difficult

1099
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: one that sets you up for the big time. Like

1100
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 1: the idea that Tony Ferguson is a detour around that

1101
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: I find a little I find that a little hard

1102
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: to believe. Actually, BC depending on how you win, of course, right, No.

1103
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: Why do you find that hard to believe?

1104
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: So I want to be clear, It's not like I'm saying,

1105
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: if you beat Tony Ferguson, you can start saying I

1106
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: want a title shot. It's not what I am right,

1107
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: what you're saying. But what I am saying is it's

1108
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: momentum number one and number two. If you beat Tony

1109
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: and let's say you did it, you know Michael Chandler

1110
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: the way he did it right. Obviously, since then, the

1111
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: value of beating Tony has gone down substantially. But does

1112
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: it get you an opponent who is potentially higher rank

1113
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 1: than Jalen Turner. It's really the point I'm trying to ask, Yes,

1114
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: it does, it could, at least it could. It could

1115
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: do that. And so my point being is I understand

1116
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: if he only wants to fight the best, but you

1117
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 1: can still get to a point where you are very

1118
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: challenged by taking a prize fighting route. That is to me,

1119
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if a better decison, but a decent

1120
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: one to consider. That's all I do.

1121
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean look at it. You know, Gastolum's

1122
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 2: not that different in the larger conversations, like when you

1123
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 2: have a very good fighter who keeps being a very

1124
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: tough out for the elite but can't get over it.

1125
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it's hard to stop that, Luke, But

1126
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. He's always daring to be great Hooker.

1127
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: He's doing it again. Let's not forget that. Although Jalen

1128
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: Turner is coming off a loss by split decision to

1129
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 2: Gamra at five straight finish before that, including against Brad Riddell,

1130
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: so you know the you know the danger that he

1131
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: brings to the table. Hey, well, but just the same

1132
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 2: Luke on the gamble, on the double down, Dan Hooker

1133
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 2: wins this. Now you got two wins in a row

1134
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 2: against good names. Feels like he's back, right, It feels

1135
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: like he's back. So that's why he's doing it.

1136
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: That's why he's right. It's high risk, high reward, right,

1137
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: That's what it is like. You know, chances of winning

1138
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: are not great, but if you do ship, you're you're

1139
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: in the thick of it, you know.

1140
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: All Right, Before before I tee you up with some

1141
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 2: key questions on how you are seeing the card this weekend,

1142
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 2: I want to get your response to how we're seeing

1143
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: the championship belts in the UFC for Mexican fighters, And

1144
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the one YII Rodriguez showed on Instagram

1145
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 2: Luke his interim featherweight title. I don't know if the

1146
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,959
Speaker 2: folks can see it, depending on what kind of screen

1147
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: they're watching, but it's infused with all types of colors.

1148
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 2: Is this This isn't one of those WBC boxing you know,

1149
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: make Make Hope for Peace belts that they put out

1150
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 2: when there's no real title on the line. Is this

1151
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: the real deal? Is this how Mexican Champions will be

1152
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 2: a dorn moving forward?

1153
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: No, My understanding is he personally got a artist in

1154
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: Mexico to redesign it and make this replica. That is

1155
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: my understanding of it. So No, But what I can

1156
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: say is wow. I mean everyone's like the UFC does

1157
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: everything the best, and it's like, well, dude, they're They're

1158
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: the biggest promotion. But the idea that you can just

1159
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: default to the idea that they do everything the best

1160
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: is simply not true. Different people can reimagine of the business.

1161
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: Look at what someone has reimagined here and using I

1162
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: think both Mexican and potentially like I think as tech

1163
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: coloring or pattering patterning to to like make you reconsider

1164
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: the Belton And they didn't change a lot of the

1165
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: middle of the stuff or some of the badges or whatever,

1166
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: but like other ways in which to do this kind

1167
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: of stuff. Of course, other people can bring these kinds

1168
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: of things to the fold. To me, this is incredible.

1169
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: By the way, wherever the fuck he is looks nice too.

1170
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: I want to point that out.

1171
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: That's true. I mean, I'm wondering, Luke, Like, the UFC

1172
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: does not allow for a lot of freestyle, and you

1173
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 2: can't wear your own sponsorships on your trunks or on

1174
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: your banner that you hold up. You can pick the

1175
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 2: color and the style of your fight kit, which I

1176
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: do think is important based on preferences there. But what

1177
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: if you were allowed to you are allowed to pick

1178
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: your own walkout song. What if you were allowed to

1179
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 2: put your own what do they call that in office space, Luke.

1180
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: When Jennifer Anderson was Jennifer Anderson was the waitress at

1181
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 2: that restaurant, flair, Luke, they had all kinds of flare

1182
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: on them. Could you do you think you should be

1183
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: able to put your own flair like a like a

1184
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: cannibal corpse, you know, thing on your belt if you're

1185
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 2: a weirdo and you win the championship.

1186
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: I don't think you should be able to do that.

1187
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 1: It's the UFC's belt or whatever, but all the other

1188
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: things you should be able to or in the case

1189
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: of ya, you can make your own belt and it

1190
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: can look the same or whatever you can you can

1191
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,919
Speaker 1: or you know, whatever, you can do those kinds of things.

1192
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: It's just you know, like, should you be able to

1193
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: take the WBC's belt and change it up. Well, I mean,

1194
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: I guess maybe you can if you if it's your property,

1195
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: But like I think it's important to leave that kind

1196
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: of stuff alone, like all the other expressions of national identity,

1197
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: all the other expressions of personality. Yeah, there's just a

1198
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: lot missing. They love banquet shood, bro, they love banquet food.

1199
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 2: Expressions of combat known worldwide. Luke, that's tap out, rip,

1200
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: Charles mask Lewis, Thank you, Luke. Let's go to your

1201
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: key questions ahead of UFC two ninety and what I

1202
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 2: want to know first and foremost when you look at

1203
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 2: this card, which fighter are you most looking forward to

1204
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 2: watching this weekend? And why?

1205
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: Okay, well, obviously the answer if we're just counting every

1206
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: fight on the calls, like Volkanovski's pomped upon number one,

1207
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: but like, let's posit it in a different way, in

1208
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: a non title fight way. Okay, So we've taken those

1209
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: two fights out right, because those are the most important

1210
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: my definition. What other fighter fulfills that for me? And

1211
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: even with the change and opponent, and there has been

1212
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: one yesterday, I still think this is the guy that

1213
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: I just cannot wait to see. The answer is bo

1214
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: Nickel this bow Nickel times a billion for me on

1215
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: this one now. Of course, Robert Whitaker versus DP, we've

1216
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: talked about it at nauseum on the pre gram pview.

1217
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: That's great as well. I've seen them do lots of

1218
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: interesting things. It's just for me, b see on this account,

1219
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: I have to say that seeing what he is already

1220
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: capable of so quickly is kind of blowing my mind

1221
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. And I'm I'm like, my brain can't

1222
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: figure out if he is ready for an epic stumble

1223
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 1: or if he is about to set a baseline for

1224
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: what it's supposed to look like when a really elite

1225
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: talent in the year twenty twenty three is maturing and

1226
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: then matriculating from over from elite college wrestling. Because even

1227
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: when Brock came over, and of course he had time

1228
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: off and it was a different era of MMA and

1229
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, I was still blown away by like

1230
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: how fast he was able to make progress at heavyweight.

1231
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: And we have had phenomenal athletes in MMA from all

1232
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: different countries, all different walks of life, you name it.

1233
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I cannot tell if he's

1234
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: like a one round wonder and then he's just going

1235
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: to collapse in round two and be like this, you know,

1236
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: fabled lesson about what it means to hype prospects up

1237
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: before they're ready, or if he is all of that

1238
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: and then some and he's going to change the game

1239
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: about what it means for a blue ship prospect to

1240
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: be just that. You see. I want to remind folks,

1241
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: I remember, like when Matt Hughes made his way into MMA,

1242
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: and there were better pure wrestlers before Matt Hughes got there.

1243
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: Mark Coleman, for example, was a better overall wrestler than

1244
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: Matt Hughes. But Matt Hughes was a game changer in MMA.

1245
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: He was a two time All American. He had heavy

1246
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: ground and pound, He had this really athletic style to

1247
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: get fights there, to keep them there. He was an

1248
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: overwhelming force of nature. And again you had seen that

1249
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: from Mark Coleman, but the fight was a bit more static.

1250
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: This guy could play the levels. He could do all

1251
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: these different things in the ground that we just hadn't

1252
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: seen before, and it was like revelatory watching Matt Hughes

1253
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: do what he did. You couldn't fucking believe not just

1254
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: there was a guy like that in those weight classes,

1255
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: but how much better he got, how much physically more

1256
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: dominant he was. It was shocking to see. I wonder,

1257
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: I wonder, I don't know the answer to this. We're

1258
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: gonna and by the way, his new opponent is you know,

1259
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: seven and zero. Yeah, I mean, in all likelihood, bon

1260
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: Nichol's gonna beat the fuck out of this guy in

1261
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: rapid succession. And maybe we won't get an answer for that,

1262
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: although if he loses, we will, bo Nickel. But I'm

1263
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: just saying, you're asking me what I'm looking for on

1264
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: this dude. I this guy has potential to do things

1265
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: that literally we haven't seen before. I am curious to

1266
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: see that journey take its next step, whatever that means.

1267
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: Well, I've never hit my love for unanswered questions when

1268
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: somebody who just shows overwhelming evidence of being either next

1269
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: level dynamic or think Daniel Cormier when he showed up

1270
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 2: in the Strikeforce Grand pre tournament as a replacement, being

1271
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: like championship ready overnight, being like, oh shit, where has

1272
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 2: you know? Where has this been? I love the one

1273
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: you don't know? You know, if Bonnickel goes in and

1274
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: he's supposed to fight Treyshon Gore who pulled out, So

1275
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: now he's got val would Burn and obviously he's a

1276
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: massive betting favorite. I'll get to those odds in a second.

1277
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: They're even historic odds. But I love when somebody is highest.

1278
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: Why I've been pushing for Chimayav to pretty much be

1279
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: in the title picture right now in either division. I

1280
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: know that his weight miss in maybe the travel visa,

1281
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: if that's the thing people are whispering, is an issue

1282
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 2: at the moment, Luke, I'm not really sure, but I

1283
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: want to find out those answers at the highest level.

1284
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: Normally you don't want that because when it's what you

1285
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 2: don't know about a fighter that ultimately could could break

1286
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: them the worst. If they don't have that five round

1287
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 2: championship stand enough, they don't have that next level toughness

1288
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: to dig in or that ability to adapt or the

1289
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 2: technique or whatever you're looking for, you they could find

1290
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 2: out right along with you, and it can be a humbling,

1291
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: embarrassing scenario. But sometimes you get just those next level

1292
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: about bon Nickel, even though he's had what one or

1293
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 2: two fights on the on the Contender series, one or

1294
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 2: two fights on the amateur slash regional level. There's not

1295
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 2: a ton of tape. We don't know what he looks

1296
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: like in the back half around two. We don't know

1297
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 2: what he looks like if someone's stuffing takedowns. But he

1298
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 2: can do He can handle this level of competition so

1299
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: dominantly and so like championship ready that Yeah, there is

1300
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: a big circle around this fight, even with the change

1301
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 2: of opponent, just that something special has arrived and I

1302
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 2: don't think they're gonna be able to hold him back.

1303
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 2: I think unlike a Patty who is already sort of

1304
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: hitting certain limitations in the cage. Not that he can't

1305
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: break through through adjustment and maturity and all that, but

1306
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 2: I wonder if Nichol is just one of those people

1307
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: that just kicks the door in and we don't find

1308
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 2: out those answers until it's really time to find out.

1309
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: With that said, Luke val Woodburn is the new opponent.

1310
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: Fun fact right here, I got this from super fan

1311
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 2: on Twitter. His name is at McGregor Rousey. He must

1312
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 2: be a super fan, that's his handle. Luke Bo Nichol

1313
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 2: is currently the biggest betting favorite in UFC history at

1314
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 2: minus twenty five hundred against the plus twelve hundred Val Woodburn.

1315
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 2: The previous record was roman Off against Chase Sherman at

1316
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: minus twenty three hundred. So Luke, you can stick that

1317
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: in your pipe. The pressure's on bon Nickel to basically

1318
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 2: finish this guy in two minutes or less. But the

1319
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: pressure is always on him. I'm not sure this is

1320
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 2: the opponent we find out the answers to We may

1321
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: not find them out until the very end. But that's

1322
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: exciting as hell if you ask me as a fan, Yeah.

1323
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: I guess we're going to see. Maybe we don't learn

1324
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: anything at all on Saturday. I just I don't know

1325
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: the answer to that. But you're asking me, what, like

1326
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: where my mind is at? I am curious to see

1327
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: what it looks like for this guy.

1328
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 2: All right, Lukee, separate for bon Nickel, which go little

1329
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 2: deep on this card? Give me give me a little

1330
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: bit of your fight brain here, which prospect that UFC

1331
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: two ninety are either your most excited about or has

1332
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: a chance to really shine and jump through the TV screen.

1333
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question. Again, there's a few of

1334
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: them on this car. Hello, bon Nickel being obviously one

1335
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: of them. Can't call him a contender yet obviously that's

1336
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: not really what he is. So I'm gonna go stick

1337
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: with the Mexican direction here. I'm going to go with

1338
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: Jasmine Juadagee. And again I'm not sure I'm pronouncing her

1339
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: name exactly correct. So if I have it wrong, please

1340
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: let me know. And by the way, I know it's

1341
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: with the why. It can be Yasmin, it can be

1342
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: Jasmine from what I understand. If I'm getting it wrong,

1343
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: I will correct it. I apologize up front, Okay, Juadaghee.

1344
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: Here's what I want to say. I was talking to

1345
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: some folks in Latin American MMA, or Latin American media,

1346
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: particularly of Mexican media, and what they tell me is

1347
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: of all the prospects in UFC right now from Mexico,

1348
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: male or female weight class independent, this is the one

1349
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: that everyone in the country has their eyes on it.

1350
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: We kind of knew that for some time. We know

1351
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,439
Speaker 1: she made her debut against Lucindo a little while ago.

1352
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: Then she had the fight against Nunez in her last contest,

1353
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: which she won via ground upon in the second round,

1354
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: and she got dropped obviously early in her first contest

1355
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: and took a little while to get going. But what

1356
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: she has shown is to me incredible promise. She just

1357
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: looks like the genuine article. Her movement is crisp and

1358
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: sharp and thoughtful. And when I spoke to all these

1359
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: different folks who were kind of telling me, oh, yeah,

1360
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: gee was the one, the one? Oh, what is the one? Like,

1361
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: there was this constant repetition maybe it's pronounced queeggie. I

1362
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: don't I don't quite know, but there was this constant

1363
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: refrain of she's the one, She's the one, She's the one.

1364
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: And apparently this is true even in her own gym

1365
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: that like the coaches are like, no, no, we've got her.

1366
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: We've got our eyeset on this one as the next

1367
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: great champion. Whether or not do prospecting in any sport

1368
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: is very difficult, you see. I bring this up all

1369
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: the time, but I really feel like it's worth reminding

1370
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: folks in the NFL, for folks who are some of

1371
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: our overseas viewers. The NFL spends each team of the

1372
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: NFL spends millions every year on scout teams, on what

1373
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: they're gont combined teams and what they're looking for, and

1374
01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: Draft night and everything you could possibly imagine to make

1375
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: sure that they get the top athletes coming out of

1376
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,959
Speaker 1: college for the draft, and most of those picks don't

1377
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: end up working right. We're talking about people who haven't

1378
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: institutions that have invested all this money, with all this

1379
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: know how, all this expertise, and they often don't even

1380
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: get it right at all. So I'm not here to

1381
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: declare that because I have heard these things, that I

1382
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: am telling you that the future is inevitable. Rather, what

1383
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: I am saying is it is unusual for me to

1384
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: hear this kind of chorus, especially around a female fighter.

1385
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: You just don't really hear. You hear a lot of

1386
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: like reverence for female fighters as like up and coming prospects,

1387
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: but never as like the next face of Mexican mma,

1388
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: like the next thing that is going to be the

1389
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: anchor piece of this entire community. That's the kind of

1390
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: talk that is coming not from me out of Mexico,

1391
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: as I understand it. Everyone there sees her as this

1392
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: guiding light for what is possible now, whether she will

1393
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: be Denise Gomez don't know, Gomes, I don't know. I

1394
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: don't know what that is going to look like. We

1395
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: shall see. I tend to think that she will. They're

1396
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: going to slow roll her a little bit BC. As

1397
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: it stands, she is only twenty four years of age,

1398
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: born in nineteen ninety nine. All I want to remind

1399
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: folks is of any kind of prospect out of Spanish

1400
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: speaking Latin America. I have never heard this kind of talk,

1401
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: not even for Year, not for Brandon. Those were all

1402
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: like projects in development. We'll see how that goes. That's

1403
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: a long term play. And this is a long term

1404
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: play too, To be quite clear, I've never heard them

1405
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,439
Speaker 1: talk about a prospect like this. Keep your eye on her.

1406
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 2: She's a minus four ten betting favorite. I think it's

1407
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 2: plus three twenty for Gomas on the other side. But Luke,

1408
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: I think this is the point, like we're proof of

1409
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 2: concept advances, meaning Mexico. Mma is hot in Mexico, So

1410
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 2: you're getting your first wave of elites, right, Yaiar putting

1411
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 2: it all together, Alexa Grosso, surprising us in the new

1412
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 2: way class and making history and upsetting a legend, and

1413
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 2: you've gotten you know, you had three champions, you had

1414
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 2: a fourth one going for it. But to me, the

1415
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 2: true test of if a new nation, if a new

1416
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 2: hotbed has truly developed is what's the next generation, And

1417
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 2: the next generation is usually complete fighters, not fighters that

1418
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 2: came up necessarily in a boxing gym and then came

1419
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 2: to MMA at a key time, but the people who

1420
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 2: grew up training to be mixed martial artists and have

1421
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 2: that complete game and that that sharpness, that that natural

1422
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 2: sort of ability to just adapt and adjust. Yeah, I'm

1423
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 2: gonna be watching closely to see if she is that one,

1424
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 2: because she has the age and sort of the fanfare

1425
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 2: following her to echo what you're saying to maybe be

1426
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 2: that one. So that's gonna be a lot, look to

1427
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 2: be fair on the prospect side, a lot to watch

1428
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 2: where Jack Della Maddelena on this card was also in

1429
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 2: that conversation. Unfortunately his bride against Sean Brady had to

1430
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 2: get canceled. Brady, he's got that elbow in injury. It's

1431
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 2: got a long name to it, Luke, but he's got

1432
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 2: an enlarged elbow.

1433
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: Yes, he basically had a staff infection.

1434
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, Kevin Lee one time rode that to

1435
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 2: an interim title shot, Luke, just to let you know,

1436
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 2: not empty though, But I will tell you that Josiah

1437
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 2: Harrel is replacing Jack is replacing Sean against Jack, who

1438
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 2: is now a minus nine hundred betting favorite against the

1439
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 2: plus six hundred Harrol who just signed with Iridium Jason

1440
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 2: House management team and then got this opportunity Luke. So

1441
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 2: that pipeline, as MMAI likes to teach us, is continuing.

1442
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 2: But Luke prospect wise, not on our notes here, but

1443
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 2: an important fight. This was supposed to be like the

1444
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: breakthrough opportunity for Jack Della Maddelena. Now it just feels

1445
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 2: more like the stay busy showcase. I get at least

1446
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 2: we get them right, but it is that part is

1447
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:38,479
Speaker 2: disappointing for this card.

1448
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean not UFC's fault. There's nothing they can do.

1449
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: It just kind of is what it is. So I

1450
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: know a lot of folks would have been like, oh,

1451
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: that's the one. And again if it was Jack Dela

1452
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: Metalana versus Sean Brady, that's like, I mean, that's less

1453
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: prospect because at that point you're dealing with trying to

1454
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: really break into at that point potentially even far into

1455
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: the top fifteen, but you know, it's got real contendership.

1456
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: That would have been the easy answer, I suppose in

1457
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: terms of who all eyes were now that that has

1458
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: been disrupted. Certainly his development is important, but I'm going

1459
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: to go back to it again. I've just we shall

1460
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: see if she becomes what she becomes. But I've never

1461
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: ever ever heard this many voices from inside that sport,

1462
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: inside that country saying no, no, no, forget what you've

1463
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: heard about anybody else. She's the one, She's the neo.

1464
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 1: Whether she will live up to that, we shall see,

1465
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1466
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 2: And also Jack Della Maddeline a twenty six years old

1467
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 2: Luke four and o with four finishes so far in

1468
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 2: the UFC, so we'll see if he can continue that run.

1469
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 2: They're going to have to keep him away from big

1470
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 2: fights coming up soon. Luke to close here on the

1471
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 2: biggest questions here not so much of a question, but

1472
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 2: a reminder. This will be the last ride for somebody

1473
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 2: we love come Saturday.

1474
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: There's a lot of folks who have forgotten about this,

1475
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: which is why we put it on the list here

1476
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: for today's show. Folks, if you don't remember, this is

1477
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: it for Robbie Lawler. Robbi Lawler retires this weekend. He

1478
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: has made it known to the promotion and I think

1479
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: it has long been time he takes on Nico Price,

1480
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: which is gonna be a tough fight. You see the

1481
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: odds on this one. I don't know. If you have

1482
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: him in front of you. Yeah, they've got Yeah, someone

1483
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: tell us what they are.

1484
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 2: Minus two sixty for Price. You're betting favorite plus two

1485
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 2: ten for a little bit of respect for Robby Lawler

1486
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 2: at plus two ten, right, yeah, a little bit.

1487
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's a tough fight for him. He's been

1488
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: in what seems like only tough fights, folks. This is

1489
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: a legend of the fight game. If this guy doesn't

1490
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: go into Hall of Fame, I don't know how that's

1491
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: even I think he's already in there by virtue of

1492
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: his fight with Rory McDonald which got introduced into it,

1493
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,560
Speaker 1: which is one of the best ever, and even independent

1494
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: of that fight, Like, even if that fight doesn't even happen,

1495
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: I think Robby Lawler probably still has a Hall of

1496
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: Fame resume. Just an easy, easy call for that guy

1497
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: to get in one of the OG's of the game.

1498
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: I remember watching his fights with Diaz and Tanner after

1499
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: I got out of college, and he had all this

1500
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: type of part of that Militch fighting system's unit, and

1501
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: remember all the guys he was with Billy Rush no

1502
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 1: longer in the game in any capacity. But I'm aware

1503
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 1: of Matt Hughes obviously retired inside of tragic accident. Since then,

1504
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: Tim Sylvia long since out of the fight. Trey Telligman's

1505
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: not there anymore. I mean, all the guys that were

1506
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: kind of there at that time just aren't. And he

1507
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: is still around. Although this is the Swan Song guys,

1508
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: a fighter who made his pro debut obviously very young,

1509
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: but made a pro debut pre nine to eleven, Pre

1510
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. I just told you, Jasmin juadeghe was

1511
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: born in nineteen ninety nine. This fucking guy was fighting

1512
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one before that, just or I

1513
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: should say, you know, before nine to eleven, but obviously

1514
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: after her birthday. But you get the point. I'm trying

1515
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: to make just an absolute one of a kind, last

1516
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 1: of the Mohican kind of fighters. They won't make them

1517
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: like this very often. You will not see guys who

1518
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: have the ups and downs and the weirdness that his

1519
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: journey took through all the different stages of his athletic development,

1520
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: personal life, you name it. And I think in many

1521
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 1: ways there was a long time. It should be noted

1522
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: there was a long time, especially after he lost to Tanner,

1523
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: and then he kind of bounced out of the UFC

1524
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: and did his thing in Strike Force and Icon super Brawl.

1525
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: That Robbie Lawler had a reputation as an underperformer, like

1526
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: a big puncher who could beat the very best ones,

1527
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: but when it came time to it probably was not

1528
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: going to He had big wins. The Frank Trigg win

1529
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: was big, get some other ones as well. The Van

1530
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: Hoff win was nice. But to be candid with you,

1531
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: he didn't really turn into what folks always thought he

1532
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,600
Speaker 1: was going to be way back when he was flatlining

1533
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: the tiki ghostins of the world. He didn't really achieve

1534
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: that until he had his second run in the UFC,

1535
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: until he was much older and much more mature, and

1536
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: then that started with a coshtack fight and then it

1537
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: went on from there. That was the thing that set

1538
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: him up for immortality. It's this last piece that really

1539
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,879
Speaker 1: has been so critical to everything that you now understand

1540
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: Robbi Lawler to be and BC it has been amazing,

1541
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. When he made it back

1542
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: to the UFC after Fighting and Strike Force I did

1543
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: not have him pegged for winning a world title, but

1544
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: sure enough he fucking did, did he not.

1545
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 2: He lost three of his last four in Strikeforce before

1546
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 2: that second run in the UFC, which began in early

1547
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, and one of those was being finished by

1548
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 2: Jock Ray in a middleway title bout. But he's he's

1549
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: such a throwback, as you mentioned, he fought three times

1550
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 2: before nine to eleven Turn Pro in two thousand and

1551
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 2: one early. But like he's, he's old enough to have

1552
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 2: come up in militant fighting systems and the wars they

1553
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 2: had there. But when he came to UFC that second time,

1554
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 2: he was fun journeyman brawler. And I remember specifically when

1555
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 2: he started packaging those wins together and you're like, oh man,

1556
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 2: what a story this would be. Even with that, even

1557
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 2: with breaking through and defeating Johnny Hendricks for that world

1558
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 2: championship in twenty fourteen, I didn't expect him to still

1559
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 2: be around Luke and still be for a bunch of

1560
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 2: those years at a very high level. Just one of

1561
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 2: those throwback cyborgs, right who just keeps coming, loves to brawl.

1562
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 2: We you and I kicked around our short list of

1563
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 2: favorite UFC Fight pass guys to watch. You know, Getchee

1564
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 2: I think was number one on my list. It could

1565
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 2: have easily been Robbie Lawler too, has made so many

1566
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 2: fights that we love. And when you look back at

1567
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 2: a career where you have victories over Cowboy, Nick Dz,

1568
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 2: Carlos Condit, Rory twice, Johnny Hendrix, Matt Brown, Ellenberger, you

1569
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,759
Speaker 2: mentioned the earlier big wins there like Frank Trigg finished

1570
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 2: Matt g Linlan. Just an absolute special and unique career

1571
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 2: and the kind that you just don't really see anymore.

1572
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to it. I hope he goes

1573
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 2: out with with a fun brawl, which you'd have to

1574
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 2: expect against Price, and I hope there's a chance he

1575
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 2: can go out with it with his hand raised.

1576
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: Luke Chan And one thing I'll say is his chin.

1577
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,879
Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously he got flattened by Tyron Woodley,

1578
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: but like in general, you would say that his chin

1579
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: and ability, and they also flat lined against Nick Diaz.

1580
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: But what's been strange is he's had a couple of

1581
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: these moments where he fell, in the case of the

1582
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: Nick ds fight, quite literally flat on his face the

1583
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,600
Speaker 1: first time. But in general like the Condit fight or

1584
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: even the McDonald fight or other ones. Beyond that, the

1585
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: fights with Johnny Hendrix, Like he took amounts of wars absurd, absurd,

1586
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,560
Speaker 1: And I'm actually like I could have. I thought he

1587
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: could have retired quite some time ago. In fact, I

1588
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: was hoping he would. So I'm glad to see this.

1589
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: But it is a of all those guys twenty plus

1590
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: years of professional MMA fighting and he is still here

1591
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: in the UFC, not what he once was, but still

1592
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: capable of holding a roster spot. Fucking incredible.

1593
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 2: They know what I loved about him when he was

1594
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 2: at the highest level, having those two title fights with Hendrix,

1595
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 2: which he lost the first and won the second. Both

1596
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 2: close fights could have gone either way. Was it was

1597
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 2: part of his strategy to like take key rounds off

1598
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 2: to regain his breath after mthy he would have like

1599
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 2: wild third rounds where he nearly got a knockout and

1600
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 2: emptied out the guess and then he'd be like human

1601
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,839
Speaker 2: and reserved for a round and then come out guns

1602
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 2: blazon again in round five. Look, you don't you don't

1603
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 2: train to do that at the elite level in this era,

1604
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 2: you trained to be able to fight twenty five minutes

1605
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 2: at a sustained level. For the most part. Here was

1606
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 2: a guy who just was violence and that was his strategy.

1607
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 2: Violence and oh I got to rest up here. Look,

1608
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 2: it reminds me of when I ran cross country. You

1609
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 2: don't care about this, but when I would run like

1610
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 2: the city championship race, and there would be kids on

1611
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 2: some other teams, so you could tell where athletes and

1612
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 2: other sports who were running across country to try to

1613
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 2: stay fit, and they had no idea about strategy. They'd

1614
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 2: come scuns out sprinting and then be out of gas

1615
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 2: and you'd pass them. But then when the second win

1616
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 2: would kick in, they'd just start sprinting again. That's how

1617
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 2: Robby Lawler fought at the elite level and won a championship.

1618
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 2: Like that's wild, that's wild.

1619
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: It's crazy. By the way, I said, Trey Tellyman was militach.

1620
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: I don't think he was. But also one of the

1621
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: guys who has been with Jeremy excuse me, been with

1622
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: Robbie Lawler for parts of his career, Jeremy Horn. Jeremy

1623
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 1: Horn was with Miltitage Fighting Systems.

1624
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 2: So you can't finish it, you can't finish Jeremy Horn.

1625
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: Chuck Ladell basically did I mean the ref intervened, but

1626
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 1: you mean like put his lights out right? I mean, yeah,

1627
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: you can't finish here.

1628
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 2: He's you're gonna lose. You're gonna win by decision against

1629
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 2: Jeremy Horn.

1630
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: That's what He's still training and coaching fighters. I want

1631
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: to say in you tall something like that. He's still

1632
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: out there doing it, So dude, think about it. This

1633
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: is basically the end. Saturday is the final close of

1634
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: the militangy fighting system. So like, for example, now there

1635
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 1: is no one I don't believe there is anyone in

1636
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: the UFC roster who ever fought in pride in Japan.

1637
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: There are people who fought in pride in the United States,

1638
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: but never in Japan. Soon there will be you. Soon,

1639
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: the entire UFC will not have anyone who ever fought

1640
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 1: in pride. Dude. It's it's these these old eras are

1641
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: finally coming to a close.

1642
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 2: We're old, Luke. I mean, you know, people think I

1643
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 2: came into MMA yesterday, but I was watching early UFC

1644
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 2: pay per views on the black Box with my dad,

1645
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 2: and I came in and out in the late nineties.

1646
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 2: But like God, you know, everybody from that era, one

1647
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 2: by one is going away, you know, like we had,

1648
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 2: we had Dan Hendo lingering, we had Vitor lingering. Now

1649
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 2: it's like they're all gone, Luke, They're all they're gone.

1650
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: Now yeah. Now now they're going to go fight in

1651
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: uh the Steroid League and uh in boxing.

1652
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 2: That's what they're gonna do, fair knuckle you're talking about.

1653
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 1: No, no, no, they're just going to fight in boxing

1654
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: and then not test one another and then.

1655
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's boxing cash Yeah, speaking of.

1656
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: Boxing, yes, speaking of boxing. Topic number three, boy, you

1657
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 1: want to talk about the old switcheroo. We did not

1658
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: see this coming when we had heard there were various

1659
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 1: reports about Canelo Alvarez fighting Charlo Canelo Charlo, Canelo Charlo,

1660
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: and we just all assumed, well, they must be talking

1661
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: about Jermal Charlo because that's the one who's one hundred

1662
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: and sixty pounds. If they're going to fight at one

1663
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:35,799
Speaker 1: sixty eight, yeah, you'll just fight Jermal Charlo. And then, Mikey,

1664
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: can you throw to the poster because I want to

1665
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: show this to folks. Look at this, ladies and gentlemen.

1666
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: That is not Jermal Charlo. That is jerml Charlo the

1667
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 1: undisputed champion at one hundred and fifty four pounds, jumping

1668
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: up not one, but two way classes. Keep it here

1669
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 1: for just a second, Mikey, I want to point out

1670
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: something if if Jamal Charlo wins, I don't know if

1671
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: he'll eventually have to drop his belts. We'll talk about

1672
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: that in just a second. But but BC, at least

1673
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,600
Speaker 1: on fight night, if he wins, he could take a

1674
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: picture with eight different fucking belts wow at the same time,

1675
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: which is just mind blowing. Okay, BC, let's go back

1676
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: to you on this one. If we can tell me,

1677
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: good sir, your reaction to this insane news like you

1678
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:26,560
Speaker 1: can drop it there. If you don't mind, yeah, we go.

1679
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,719
Speaker 2: I think I think, like everybody else, we all thought

1680
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: Canelo put the wrong Charlo, and we all thought whether

1681
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 2: it was you know, PBC or whoever you know created

1682
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 2: those graphics that went out upon Canelo announcing it, just

1683
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 2: to be fair. Showtime hasn't formally announced it yet. I

1684
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 2: think we're expected to hear that soon, but it's not

1685
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 2: just a new day, a new brother. I thought they

1686
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 2: got it wrong, like I thought that, oh crap, they

1687
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 2: screwed this up. So here's the real inside story as

1688
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 2: we know it. Unfortunately, Jamal Charlow, who's still your unbeaten

1689
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 2: WBC Midway champion, he's not fought in two years and

1690
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 2: that fight two years ago was against Messeas Montiel, and

1691
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 2: he didn't look great. It was a home coming opportunity.

1692
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 2: I think he underestimated Montell's toughness to hang in there

1693
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 2: and it was a decision when in which he looked

1694
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,600
Speaker 2: kind of flat. Unfortunately, there's been major issues in Jermal's

1695
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 2: personal life over that time, a very bitter divorce which

1696
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 2: has led to a detailed custody battle at length. I

1697
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 2: think you know Dan Raphael, who was one of the

1698
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 2: people that reported this, Luke used the terms like extremely

1699
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 2: bitter divorce, meaning a lot of next level unfortunate drama

1700
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. And when reached out to by you know,

1701
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 2: by Canello's team to finalize the date, team Jermal Charlow

1702
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 2: was unable to meet that date. But here's the interesting

1703
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 2: thing on subbing in Jermel, which is it's rare. It's

1704
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 2: very rare, Luke, especially in boxing, that a big announcement

1705
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 2: you didn't hear coming that you find out when it

1706
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 2: was announced.

1707
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: Right.

1708
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,759
Speaker 2: You always hear somebody breaking a quarter of the news

1709
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 2: or this could be next, this could be possible. It's

1710
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 2: a very opportunistic move from Dreml and I love it.

1711
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 2: We'll get into the tim zus it right. The only

1712
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 2: problem here is that Jermel Charlo, the undisputed champion on

1713
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 2: one fifty four, hasn't fought in almost a year and

1714
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 2: a half himself since beating Castano in the rematch because

1715
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 2: of sustained injuries. I think it was a left wrist

1716
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 2: if I'm correct, it was the right one that he's

1717
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 2: having consistent troubles with and he's had to pull out.

1718
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 2: They were supposed to have Zoo versus Charlo back in January,

1719
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 2: but twice it's been moved. But think about this. Canelo

1720
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 2: is small for one sixty eight to begin with. Yes,

1721
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 2: we're asking Jermel to move up two way classes, but

1722
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 2: we all felt he was inevitably going to move up

1723
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 2: to one sixty sooner than later anyway, or at least

1724
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 2: we thought right, although there were rumors of a of

1725
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 2: a Terrence Crawford fight if he moved up after the

1726
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 2: Spence fight. But this is just taking the biggest opportunity

1727
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 2: available for you and going after it. Luke, you and

1728
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 2: I talked offline about this, full respect to unbeaten Jamal

1729
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 2: Charlow if he was going to come back into this fight.

1730
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 2: I love on paper what both Charlo has bring to

1731
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: the table for Canelo to deal with. But Jermel is

1732
01:20:55,479 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 2: entering not just as the busier fighter, but really the fresher,

1733
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 2: more dynamic, more complete, more confident, just really at the

1734
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 2: peak of his powers of the two brothers. At this moment,

1735
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if on paper, Jamal Cholo might be a

1736
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 2: tougher task than Jamal for Canelo. We are seeing at

1737
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 2: Canelo Alvas who has come down to earth from where

1738
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 2: he was at super middleweight three years ago, right stopping

1739
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: Caleb Plant, becoming the undisputed champion, really looking like no

1740
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,600
Speaker 2: weight class, you know, anything was possible, or maybe at

1741
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 2: the year wrong there a couple of years back, maybe

1742
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 2: it was twenty twenty one, but you get the point,

1743
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 2: like feeling like anything was possible with this guy. The

1744
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 2: recent trilogy went over Glovekin. That was hull Home the

1745
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 2: dominant John Ryder decision win, but one where Canello couldn't

1746
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 2: finish him and was taking some clean shots late, just

1747
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 2: had this realization that Canelo's coming back down to earth

1748
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 2: a bit from his very peak of his powers, almost

1749
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 2: non human stretch. This might be the wrong time to

1750
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 2: meet somebody as hungry and uniquely talented as Jamal Luke Thomas.

1751
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 2: The greatest skilled Jermeal Charlo does. It could also be

1752
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 2: his detriment when he doesn't enough punches. But the greatest

1753
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 2: skill of what Jamel Charlo does is he's almost Gervante

1754
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,839
Speaker 2: like in slowing down the fight, being as efficient as possible,

1755
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 2: and when he does throw, landing clean, big counter shots

1756
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 2: speed wise, this is going to be an issue for Canalo.

1757
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 2: This is going to be a tough ass fight and

1758
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,839
Speaker 2: maybe one maybe one that's even more difficult than Jermal,

1759
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: who's bigger, arguably more you know, more powerful, But Jermeal

1760
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 2: might be the more dangerous fighter of the moment.

1761
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: Right now, Yeah, I think Jamel is the more dangerous.

1762
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 1: Now the big big X factor here is what is

1763
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: Jermale going to look like two weight classes up now

1764
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: one fifty four to one sixty. You'd imagine he'd be

1765
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 1: still the same, maybe better somewhere in that ballpark. But

1766
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: then when you go another eight. My understanding is BC

1767
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 1: they're not doing a catch weight it will be for

1768
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: the full one sixty eight title, So like, what is

1769
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: he going to look like there? I simply don't know.

1770
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 1: I really don't know what the answer to that is.

1771
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 1: And someone's been asking who is the last fighter to

1772
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 1: go up two weight classes and win? The answer is

1773
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 1: Tank Davis, who I think fought Leo Santa Cruz at

1774
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 1: one thirty and then Mario Barrios had basically won forty.

1775
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 1: But the difference is Tank was kind of a one

1776
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: to thirty five and then went down and then went up.

1777
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 1: This is just a guy where he is just going up,

1778
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 1: and I don't know who's done that in one recent.

1779
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 2: Knee jerk reaction in recent history of moving up so drastically,

1780
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 2: particularly without a warm up fight, which is key here.

1781
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you have Sugar Ray Leonard in nineteen

1782
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 2: eighty seven coming off of that multi year retirement due

1783
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,879
Speaker 2: to the detached retina and moving up two weight divisions

1784
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 2: to take on middleweight champion Hagler, and then you know,

1785
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 2: disputedly winning that title is the is the go to.

1786
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 2: But let's not forget although he had a couple of

1787
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 2: warm up fights. Shane Mosley arguably arguably the best lightweight

1788
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 2: of all time, by the way, probably not better than

1789
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 2: Duran at lightweight in history, but he had such a

1790
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 2: dynamic run there. He moved up two weight classes to

1791
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 2: Walter Waite and took on Oscar de la Hoya and

1792
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 2: beat him in their first fight in two thousand, which

1793
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 2: was an absolute classic recent history. In a short span,

1794
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 2: we've seen it happen twice destructively bad Kell Brooke as

1795
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 2: a reigning well to which champion moved up two divisions

1796
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 2: last minute to face Triple G. It surprised us because

1797
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 2: that was another fight we didn't hear about coming until

1798
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 2: it was announced, and he got his eye broken and

1799
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 2: he was handled. You may remember against Canelo, a mere

1800
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 2: Cohn tried that same thing. He unfortunately didn't have the

1801
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 2: recuperative abilities to stand.

1802
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 1: He was sent to the land of wind and mother

1803
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:19,759
Speaker 1: fing ghosts.

1804
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but look, this is ambitious as shit. Is

1805
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 2: Charlo skilled enough to make it happen. Yes, he's gonna

1806
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 2: have to raise his game, Luke, He's gonna have to

1807
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 2: welcome danger, he's gonna have to throw more punches than usual.

1808
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 2: But Jermel Charlo does not get handled right, You know

1809
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,719
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He is dynamic, and he went into

1810
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 2: the phone booth last time out to beat Kastania. Now, look,

1811
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 2: Cassano's slower. He's not the fighter Canelo is. But the

1812
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 2: fact that Jermel, following a tough disputed draw on their

1813
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 2: first meeting, went into the trenches to outslug him shows

1814
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 2: you his upper bound limit, shows you what he is

1815
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 2: actually capable of. Dude, this is a tough fight. Especially

1816
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 2: Canelo's gonna have to do a lot to remind all

1817
01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 2: of us exactly who he is. He didn't get the cruiserway,

1818
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 2: he didn't get the rematch with Bvall that he wanted

1819
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 2: at one seventy five, so he's coming back to his

1820
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 2: preferred weight class three fight deal with PBC. I mean, look,

1821
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 2: what if that three fight deal looks like Charlo, Charlo

1822
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 2: and Benavidez or Charlo Benavidez in Andreid or plant Remap.

1823
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many great fights you can make.

1824
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 2: Starting it off with this one I think is great

1825
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 2: because it's a surprise fight. We're not really sure what's

1826
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 2: going to look like, and this is offering Jamel Charlo

1827
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 2: as you let off this conversation a chance at history.

1828
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 2: This is the first time in men's history that a

1829
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 2: reigning undisputed champion is welcoming another reigning undisputed champion in

1830
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 2: a different weight class. Obviously, before the proliferation of belts,

1831
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 2: back when there was one title, this happened all you know,

1832
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 2: not all the time, but this has happened before. But

1833
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 2: this is the first time in the four belt era

1834
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 2: this happened. It happened just recently when Katie Taylor moved

1835
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 2: up in wait as undisputed lightweight champion on the women's

1836
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 2: side and lost to Chantell Cameron at one. But Luke,

1837
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 2: this is a This is a big deal, A very

1838
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 2: big deal. It's a great welcome for Charlo's back on

1839
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 2: this network and this silo and the PBC. But I

1840
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 2: want to see what Jamal has up his sleeve. And

1841
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,679
Speaker 2: I want to see win or lose what this does

1842
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 2: for Jermal once he figures out his stuff. Let's say

1843
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 2: Jermel and Canelo put on a great fight, but Canelo

1844
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 2: gets it done. Do I hate the brother factor? I

1845
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 2: remember the clifsch Goes used to do that. Remember Chris

1846
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 2: Bird beat Fatalite due to that shoulder injury. So then

1847
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 2: Vladimir came in to avenge the brother's loss. There's always

1848
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 2: that factor if Jamal Charlie can put it back together.

1849
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 2: But looke, Thomas, what do you do here? If you're

1850
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 2: Tim Zuo?

1851
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just about to have news.

1852
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 2: For the division? How do you deal with this?

1853
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: He already took a stay busy fight against was it

1854
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 1: Carlos Okampo?

1855
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 2: Who have the Charles? He took on Harrison, and then

1856
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:38,759
Speaker 2: he took on ol Campo.

1857
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, and the Gachet fight before that. He

1858
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: needed the Gachet fight. He actually got dropped in that one,

1859
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: and then you know, looked really good after that. But okay,

1860
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 1: putting that aside, I don't know what you do if

1861
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 1: you're Tim Zoo. I honestly don't know, because you're like, well,

1862
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 1: the he Charlo should be stripped. Okay, maybe he should,

1863
01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: but they're not going to do that anytime soon. Even

1864
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: if they do, it's just gonna take a while for

1865
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 1: that process to get to a place where Tim Zu

1866
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: can then fight for a title. Dude, Like, here's just

1867
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 1: the reality. Either he can change weight classes and see

1868
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 1: what that does for his matchmaking fortunes or he just

1869
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 1: has to take another stay busy fight. There literally is

1870
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: nothing else he can do. This is already in play,

1871
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 1: and you could say, well then he could go fight

1872
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:26,560
Speaker 1: Jermal maybe, but Jamal isn't active and doesn't have it

1873
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: was not the right opponent either, right, I don't think

1874
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: that makes much sense that that's not who they wanted.

1875
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,759
Speaker 1: They wanted Dreaml. That was the guy with the belts,

1876
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 1: the whole nine yards. He was, I think, to your point,

1877
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: the better of the two by a considerable margin, maybe

1878
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: at this point. So dude, I honestly, I candidly think

1879
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: tim like of all the reasons to be happy about

1880
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 1: this fight, and there are many, the one person on

1881
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 1: earth who probably cannot believe his fortunes is the guy

1882
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: waiting around for Jamel Charlow, only for Jamel Charlow's brother

1883
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: to not be in a place to take a fight,

1884
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: so then he could slot in against the biggest star

1885
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 1: in boxing, which tim Zu simply cannot compete with. Yeah,

1886
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: he's fucked, he's fucked.

1887
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 2: Is I don't think it's you know, I mean, look,

1888
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 2: Jammel's capitalizing on opportunity here. The greatest thing tim Zu

1889
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 2: did was stay busy with those two fights to and

1890
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 2: he's come out and said, you know, on this show,

1891
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 2: on any show, like I'm not waiting on somebody else.

1892
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 2: It turned out that was a smart move, so he

1893
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 2: does have a secondary title, Luke, we are seeing, unfortunately

1894
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 2: or not unfortunately, Sebastian Fondora looks like he's going to

1895
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 2: be rematching against Brian Mendoza, who just knocked him out.

1896
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 2: I think they're targeting maybe for this card. And by

1897
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 2: the way, one thing that you mentioned earlier, we could say,

1898
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 2: originally we thought this would be Mexican Independence Day weekend

1899
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 2: September sixteenth. That was another part of the surprise in

1900
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 2: the revelation that they've moved it back two weeks September thirtieth,

1901
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 2: so they're not going head to head with the UFC

1902
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 2: card on free TV that night. But you know, you're like, okay,

1903
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 2: who can tim Zu fight since it's probably going to

1904
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 2: be nine months before he could get Dremmel winn or

1905
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 2: lose against Canelo in that, you know, and what if

1906
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 2: what if Damel won, would there be a rematch? I'm

1907
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 2: thinking of big names at one fifty four that would

1908
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 2: make sense. Fondora looks like he's going to be tied

1909
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 2: up with Mendoz. If that's the case, what about Danny Garcia?

1910
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 2: You want a big fight, you want a big name.

1911
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 2: I know Danny Garcia has been linked with rumors about

1912
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:14,759
Speaker 2: a interim or volunt or vacant middleweight title about against

1913
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 2: Arislandi Lara, and both are sort of blown up from

1914
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 2: their you know, natural weight What about Danny Swift Garcia

1915
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 2: against Timzu This is just me match making off my

1916
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 2: chair right now. Would you be down here?

1917
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, if I'm Zoo and I need to

1918
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: stay busy, I don't hate that fight. But if I'm

1919
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: Danny Garcia, I don't know. Dude, Like I was there

1920
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: for that Benavidez fight when he had moved up to

1921
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 1: the weight class, and it wasn't like you could definitively

1922
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 1: conclude he wouldn't have success there. That's not what I mean.

1923
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 1: Danny's a good fighter, He's a really good fighter, but dude,

1924
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: Zoo is a tank. He's a forward moving tank and

1925
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 1: Benavitez was completely stationary. Just completely different fighters. One is

1926
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 1: natural at that weight class.

1927
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 2: Like.

1928
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 1: You could do it, you could do it, But that's

1929
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: a bad fight for Danny you're asking me it's a

1930
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: bad fight.

1931
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 2: Danny would need a lot. I mean, there's an interim

1932
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 2: title there, but I think he would need a lot

1933
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,680
Speaker 2: of money to want to accept something like that. But

1934
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 2: here's a key question about the fallout of this Canelo

1935
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 2: Jermel fight Jamel. Since the Castano knockout win in the

1936
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 2: rematch has been roughly between about eight and thirteen and

1937
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 2: most people's pound for pound listing, the time out of

1938
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 2: the ring has removed him from a lot of people.

1939
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 2: Most people employ that one year you don't have a

1940
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 2: schedule fight, you're out of the because it's pound for pound?

1941
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 2: Is the rankings of the moment? If Durmel, who only

1942
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 2: has one loss and they avenged it by knockout against Harrison,

1943
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 2: even if you want to count the draw with Castano

1944
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 2: as a loss because it probably should have been, he

1945
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 2: also avenged that by knockout. What would this do to

1946
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 2: Dremel's current pound for pound standing if he moved up

1947
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 2: two weight divisions and beat the biggest star in the

1948
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:53,639
Speaker 2: sport to be a two division reigning undisputed champion.

1949
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 1: I mean, how could you have him any lower than

1950
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: two or three on your pound for pound list? If

1951
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: he did that, how could you do that? I don't

1952
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even understand.

1953
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 2: That's the definition of what we're asking people to do

1954
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 2: in like mythical matchups. Oh, I'll just move up two

1955
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:08,799
Speaker 2: weight class.

1956
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: And do it myself. Yeah, And again it is true

1957
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: that Canelo. I think after the Rider fight we're a

1958
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 1: little bit safer in concluding he's a little bit on

1959
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: the downswing post prime, still very very hard to beat,

1960
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 1: but still not so much in the middle of smack

1961
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 1: in the middle of his prime anymore. Okay, but the

1962
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: two weight classes, the whole, I mean everything about it

1963
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: would be a herculean task if he wins that, dude,

1964
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, again, we'll also have to see

1965
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 1: what happens with the in a way and Fulton fight,

1966
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: because that could make it a little bit interesting.

1967
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 2: And s Crafford Spence Crawford's change.

1968
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: Spiz Crawford exactly. Here's what I'm going to say. The

1969
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 1: Charlows have kind of been dogged a little bit by

1970
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 1: the boxing community, who has like a begrudging respect for them,

1971
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: more so mel than mal And you know, there's been

1972
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: questions about, like the case of Jamal, like all the

1973
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 1: time off, and you know, if it's really into some

1974
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 1: personal difficulties, I certainly don't want to be a guy

1975
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 1: up for that. Those are difficult things. But what I

1976
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: just mean to say is, like BC, I see a

1977
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: lot of chatter about the Charlos that is dismissive. That is,

1978
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 1: people don't like their lions, only act like they find

1979
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 1: ways to piss people off. I will say that if

1980
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 1: if mel goes in there and beats Canelo and it's

1981
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,640
Speaker 1: clean right where there's not controversy about it, he is

1982
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 1: going to get all the accolades he ever wanted, and

1983
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 1: then some and then some, all the things that have

1984
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 1: been denied Charlow in their mind, in the Charlos, in

1985
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: their mind unfairly would come roaring through the door with

1986
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: the wind over Canelo, even in whatever diminished state. You

1987
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: want to say, this is the opportunity of a lifetime,

1988
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: and I mean it this way. This is the opportunity

1989
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 1: of a lifetime to shut up the Internet in ways

1990
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 1: you don't often see in sports.

1991
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. I also want to be

1992
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 2: reminded that I think Bernard Hopkins moved up two weight divisions,

1993
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 2: going from middleweight to light heavyweight and beuh and beat

1994
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 2: the likes of Antonio tarvar and I beat Kelly Pavlick

1995
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 2: in that catchway fight and but then eventually lost to

1996
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 2: the real heavyweight champion Chad Dawson. But no, like what

1997
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 2: what Jamal's doing, this is this is what you want.

1998
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 2: Is what you want your stars to do, right, you

1999
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 2: want them. If that phone rings and it's that fight,

2000
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 2: you can't turn down that, You take it because business

2001
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 2: has aligned. Unfortunately for Jamal, he's gonna have to wait.

2002
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 2: But I don't think by any means to just remove

2003
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 2: him from either the Canelo sweepstakes or the larger one

2004
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 2: sixty eight su I think Jamal is gonna come back

2005
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 2: when he's ready, move up to sixty eight and right

2006
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 2: away on day one, be a major player. I mean, look,

2007
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 2: would you would you turn down Jamal versus Caleb Plant

2008
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 2: in a huge fight to make his debut at sixty eight.

2009
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 1: No you wouldn't, he would. No, No, I would not

2010
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 1: turn that down at all. That'd be great.

2011
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:44,640
Speaker 2: Actually, don't forget what Jamal told us. I don't know

2012
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 2: if you remember, Luke Wait, maybe you were, Yeah, you

2013
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 2: were there right in March when we did the Benavidez, Plant,

2014
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 2: Uh Friday way in with Stack. Remember we had Jamal

2015
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 2: Charlow on set. That was you, right, Do you remember

2016
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 2: he was like when we were talking about the dislike

2017
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 2: between Plant and Benavitez, we were like, and he goes, oh,

2018
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 2: you want to see this, like put me in there

2019
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,640
Speaker 2: against Benavidez and you you know, you'll basically forget Plant's name,

2020
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 2: is what he said. So you know he could, he

2021
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 2: could bring a lot of noise in thunder and fun

2022
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:14,640
Speaker 2: to that division. I hope it all works out for

2023
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 2: him personally behind the scenes, Luke, where these guys are

2024
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 2: humans at the end of the day. So Jamal is,

2025
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 2: you know, taking care of his business and do what

2026
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 2: he has to do. But what a big opportunity for Jim.

2027
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 2: I mean, what a dude, what a year this sport,

2028
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:27,679
Speaker 2: What a freaking year. Man.

2029
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:30,559
Speaker 1: That's crazy. It's crazy. I remember when I texted you

2030
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 1: the poster and you're you wrote in all caps he's

2031
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:37,679
Speaker 1: fighting jermmel like you couldn't. We were just trying to process.

2032
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 1: I was like this and the thing is that poster.

2033
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 1: Canelo just tweeted it, he just shared it, and I

2034
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck am I fucking blind here,

2035
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 1: Like am I does Jamal have titles? I don't know about?

2036
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:51,480
Speaker 1: Like what is happening here? No, dude, it was a switcheroo,

2037
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: which you just don't often see. You just don't often

2038
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 1: see stuff like that.

2039
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 2: So I wonder if Jamel steps into the the you

2040
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 2: know sometimes Luke, sometimes it's a bridge to well, you

2041
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 2: never know him. Boxing Sometimes guys could be dominant at

2042
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 2: one forty then they go to one forty seven and

2043
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 2: it's like they don't have the power, they don't have

2044
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 2: the punch resistance, like you never know, right. Canelos a

2045
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 2: smaller super middleweight, so I'm not scared about that, even

2046
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 2: though obviously Canelo has gone up to seventy five and

2047
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 2: won a title by knockout in the past. I wonder sometimes, though,

2048
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 2: if if sometimes it freeze guys, if you've been cut

2049
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 2: in a hard weight for so long in your career,

2050
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,919
Speaker 2: inevitably you're producing, to some degree a diminished version of yourself.

2051
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes moving up in weight just allows you to go

2052
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 2: full bloom and have a deeper gas tank, be stronger,

2053
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,639
Speaker 2: be faster, be everything. So we'll see if that plays

2054
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 2: into an advantage for him there. And also true gift

2055
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 2: for the fans. What do you got loving?

2056
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, also, even if he loses,

2057
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: but he puts on a spirited performance, I also think

2058
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 1: that he could do a lot to Uh. Again, I'm

2059
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 1: not even saying that the criticism that the Charles receiver

2060
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 1: is always fair. That's actually I'm saying quite the opposite.

2061
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 1: But rather going in there up two weight classes and

2062
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 1: like giving Canelo everything he can handle, I think that

2063
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 1: would do wonders for him reputationally as well. Again, I

2064
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 1: know he's on speed at one fifty four. I'm just

2065
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 1: saying the whole Charlow Lions only thing that rubs people

2066
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 1: the wrong way? Did you shut a lot of that up?

2067
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 1: Just by giving.

2068
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 2: The thing that people hate about them is the thing

2069
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 2: that I love most. That both guys have ridiculous sized

2070
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 2: chips on their shoulders, sometimes even against one another. Luke right,

2071
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 2: you know, like that's always a volatile relationship within their

2072
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 2: twin hood. But uh, I've I've always loved that every interview, Look,

2073
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 2: they've both swore me off, hung up on me like

2074
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,759
Speaker 2: any every time you interviewed them that could go anywhere.

2075
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 2: Remember off camera with Jamal at that way in he

2076
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 2: was just sort of like Campbell. I could never figure

2077
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,559
Speaker 2: out whether you was snake or a lion, and I

2078
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:44,799
Speaker 2: was like, oh, lying over here, brother, okay, rare lions dragon.

2079
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, he should have been like you should

2080
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 1: have been like you should have been like Wizard of

2081
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: Oz style though cowardly lyon you know what I'm saying,

2082
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: no doubt about.

2083
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 2: And the chips you know, are down and the ship

2084
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 2: hits the fan. BC's sitting this one out, okay, Jamal

2085
01:36:57,960 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 2: and Jamal.

2086
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:00,799
Speaker 1: You see, uh real quickly didn't put on the rundown,

2087
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,799
Speaker 1: but I do think it's worth just mentioning very very quickly.

2088
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 1: It appears that he did a TV interview, I guess

2089
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 1: over the weekend in Dubai of all places, and Alistair overhim.

2090
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 1: Folks have been wondering because he has looked like he

2091
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: has lost a tremendous amount of weight, which he apparently has.

2092
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 1: He admitted he is retired. He's like, yeah, I'm just

2093
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 1: not fighting anymore. I'm done. I want to do something

2094
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 1: else with my life, like very nonchalant. It wasn't a

2095
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 1: big announcement in that way, but yeah, Alistair overhim. The

2096
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 1: rem appears to be done NBC. He credited a guy

2097
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 1: who it's amazing in MMA, right, like you got Dana

2098
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 1: White hiring this guy who is just completely out of

2099
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 1: his depth and if not a charlatan, just wrong about everything.

2100
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 1: And then on top of it, here comes over him

2101
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 1: hiring a guy who told me in parasites in his

2102
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 1: gut and he needs alkaline water. I want to be

2103
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 1: very clear, there's just no scientific evidence whatsoever that that

2104
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 1: has any medicinal or health benefits at all. And so

2105
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 1: fighters love dudes, like you know, people like how could

2106
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 1: how could diego? Hold on? How could diego? You know,

2107
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 1: sign up with Joshua Fabia. I know it's because they

2108
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 1: all have coops that they surround themselves with, all of

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Speaker 1: them do it well.

2110
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 2: There were pictures I think a week and a half

2111
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 2: ago of Overem that showed him very thin, still jacked,

2112
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 2: but like very thin, where people were like, oh is

2113
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 2: he ill? What's going on? But look, he just got

2114
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 2: popped by Glory for peds, which would slow down big

2115
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 2: fight opportunities there. Do you think he's just decided to

2116
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:27,759
Speaker 2: get off the stuff and get super healthy?

2117
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 1: Could be? I mean, who knows, I don't know what

2118
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: the gear use has been like for him over the years,

2119
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 1: and to what you know again, I like, I don't

2120
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 1: judge it at all. I I And also he competed

2121
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 1: in places where it didn't matter anyway.

2122
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, like dreams. Remember how jacked he wasn't dream dude,

2123
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 2: he was like a.

2124
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 1: He fought dude. He fought in pride too. It's another

2125
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 1: thing and in Japan no less. So I don't know

2126
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 1: what that has done to his body. I don't know

2127
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: what his health profile looks like. And he also quit

2128
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 1: eating meat, and he was like, you know, meat has parasites.

2129
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you mean like trickonosis like from pork

2130
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:57,680
Speaker 1: that you can just you can just boil that out,

2131
01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 1: by guy, you don't have to well, you have to stop.

2132
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,879
Speaker 2: I take Rashad seriously when he talks about the results

2133
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,599
Speaker 2: of that ayahuasca trip he had that changed his life, Luke.

2134
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 2: And a big part of that revelation was he told

2135
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 2: himself while under you know the toad, to to that

2136
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 2: that that and it's been a breakthrough for him to

2137
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 2: not eat meat moving forward. The other thing Rashod often says.

2138
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 1: To think he does eat fish though yeah, he.

2139
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 2: Said it on the show before is. He said, he

2140
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 2: takes those specific shakes that target the amount of leftover

2141
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:31,760
Speaker 2: poop in your colon for years and it shoves it out.

2142
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 2: But you're basically gonna shit your pants for like a week.

2143
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:35,640
Speaker 2: I'd love to if you let me, you know, if

2144
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:37,760
Speaker 2: we take a maybe I could do the show from

2145
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:39,640
Speaker 2: the throne, just in case, Luke. Maybe I'll bring like

2146
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:42,360
Speaker 2: a ported pot in here, or like a giant cooking

2147
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:44,599
Speaker 2: pot and as long as I can hit mute fast

2148
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 2: enough for the cough button more like the shit button.

2149
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 2: I would love to do that to just get a

2150
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 2: new start. Just I mean, Luke, if I've got he's

2151
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 2: saying I might have pounds of old shit.

2152
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 1: Inside, that's extremely unlikely. Yeah, that's not really true. There

2153
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:59,200
Speaker 1: used to be these things like John Wayne died with

2154
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 1: seventy pounds of unprocessed v season it is colon not true.

2155
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:05,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Mikey says, that would be O g RSD

2156
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:07,759
Speaker 2: style to have me in the hotel room bathroom.

2157
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 1: You know how Kevin Hart, You know, Kevin Hart does

2158
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:11,680
Speaker 1: that like YouTube series where they're both in like these

2159
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 1: bathtubs and the interview each other. Yeah, you and Big

2160
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 1: John should do a podcast where you're both just taking

2161
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 1: enormous shits and then you just talk over it.

2162
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:22,759
Speaker 2: We have our own camera ISO camera inside of our stall,

2163
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 2: but we like have to pass the paper back and

2164
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:26,440
Speaker 2: forth to each other underneath.

2165
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,680
Speaker 1: It, yeah, underneath yeah, which is awkward and awful, but

2166
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 1: you can have.

2167
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 2: On and we could just just, oh my god, just

2168
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:33,559
Speaker 2: break down that plumbing.

2169
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:36,600
Speaker 1: Just you couldn't. You couldn't find enough Italian plumbers to

2170
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:38,600
Speaker 1: open up those pipes. You know what I'm saying. Just

2171
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't happen.

2172
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:41,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of shit, Luke, I've created a new segment.

2173
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 2: I think it's topical right now. Where in the world

2174
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 2: is Connor McGregor not coming back toward a cage anytime soon? Luke?

2175
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:53,600
Speaker 2: But The Ultimate Fighter aired another episode this week in

2176
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:56,360
Speaker 2: which Connor McGregor's fighters improved to get ready for this

2177
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:00,639
Speaker 2: Owen six. Are McGregor coached?

2178
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:02,759
Speaker 1: Hit him going, well.

2179
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 2: You face hit him in the face. That's Connor's coaching, Luke.

2180
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 2: We do have video of the shove herd around the

2181
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 2: world that appeared on this episode. Let's throw it backing

2182
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:15,679
Speaker 2: them up. Maybe not against me, I'm not Michael. Yeah,

2183
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:17,680
Speaker 2: some of these kids out in the UFC before you

2184
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 2: in the UFC. Maybe if you little fling, Yeah, we

2185
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 2: fight right now. Way, let's go, baby, Connor, We're go

2186
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 2: grab my face and pushed me.

2187
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:34,479
Speaker 1: I'm ready to fight right there.

2188
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Luke, that is a commercial for a fight that

2189
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:40,599
Speaker 2: is never yeah happening.

2190
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,640
Speaker 1: Dude, I have seen the air taken out of this

2191
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 1: season in ways like I was never gonna watch this

2192
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 1: because it's not for me. You I know you were

2193
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 1: going to, but forget you and me for just a second,

2194
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:54,200
Speaker 1: like all that just watching what fans are saying, who

2195
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 1: like we're actually hyped for like we're actually like sitting

2196
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:59,160
Speaker 1: down for it. The fact that there appears to be

2197
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:01,760
Speaker 1: no fight, well there's definitely no fight now, but there

2198
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:03,720
Speaker 1: appears to be no fight that's ever going to get

2199
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 1: made has one billion percent for some of the hardcores

2200
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 1: who actually we're looking forward to the season. Boy, you

2201
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 1: want to talk about putting a flat tire on their car?

2202
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, this one got them big time.

2203
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:17,160
Speaker 2: Remember that time Brogan caused a big stir when he

2204
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 2: said shop needs a handler. Dude, Connor needs a handler

2205
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 2: big time right now?

2206
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:24,599
Speaker 1: Right? What do you mean everything?

2207
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything that comes out of him publicly lately is

2208
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 2: just a bad look and further shows you how ill

2209
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 2: ready he appears to actually be to come back and fight,

2210
01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 2: which is like the reason why he sort of pokes

2211
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:40,120
Speaker 2: his head back out and you know, appears on social

2212
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:42,559
Speaker 2: media or talks trash. I mean we were now on

2213
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 2: like three years of him just after every big fight

2214
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:47,200
Speaker 2: sending out some tweets about how he can't wait to

2215
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:49,639
Speaker 2: fight that person when his leg heels Luke, I don't

2216
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:51,240
Speaker 2: know if he's ever fighting again. You were right, you

2217
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 2: might have been right. What the hell's happening here?

2218
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 1: I think I will fight again. I think he will

2219
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: fight again, but like, is it going to be Chandler?

2220
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:01,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd want to.

2221
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 2: Fight Diego Sanchez that time. Remember he leaked those dms

2222
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 2: after the Cowboy fight and Dana didn't want him to

2223
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:06,759
Speaker 2: fight Diego.

2224
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have been a bad idea.

2225
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 2: I you know what I if everybody was agreeing to it,

2226
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 2: I'd actually be down with the UFC Alow and Canelo.

2227
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry Connor to go on a tour of the

2228
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 2: old wash names and their roster. It's like you'll be

2229
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 2: fighting Tony next, and then you'll be fighting like like

2230
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 2: think of like you know, the guys on the extreme

2231
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 2: way out, like.

2232
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:31,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Tony Tony, then Frankie Edgar. Yeah, remember have

2233
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 1: we seen that picture of Jose and Frankie fighting at

2234
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:36,799
Speaker 1: UC two hundred and Connor's like this in the corner,

2235
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:39,880
Speaker 1: Like you know, they could do that one. You could

2236
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 1: do see RDA still with it, so that doesn't really count.

2237
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:45,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. They could find somebody. I'm sure.

2238
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:49,800
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, we closed this Wednesday show with a chance

2239
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 2: of giving the fans a time to shine if you will.

2240
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:56,800
Speaker 2: Morningcombat at gmail dot com is the email address. This

2241
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:58,840
Speaker 2: is where people put on the big boy pants and

2242
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:01,599
Speaker 2: make a run to try to be our Donk of

2243
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:04,439
Speaker 2: the year and then inevitably turn on us and pull

2244
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 2: out of the show all together and become fodder. And

2245
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 2: you know all that, Luke, we don't make We make

2246
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 2: memories happen. We just don't make long standing friendships. This

2247
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 2: is called fansubmissions.

2248
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:18,560
Speaker 1: You've got mail fewers.

2249
01:44:20,240 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 2: And that's the voice of Gaffney Pierre, our malk Up

2250
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 2: producer on that one. Luke, we have many male viewers

2251
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:28,320
Speaker 2: sending in their stuff today. Let's hear from Greg. He says,

2252
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:32,519
Speaker 2: what's up, donks? Another Monday well spent airing MK at

2253
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 2: the Irish Sports Pub in Montreal. Look at us, Look

2254
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 2: we made it overseas, dude.

2255
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 1: Look at how many people are watching this show.

2256
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, do you want this? Or American Gladiators? Gladiators? Okay, okay, great.

2257
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:48,880
Speaker 2: Here's what Greg says. Always nice listening to you breaking

2258
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 2: it down as I set up in the morning. PS.

2259
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:52,720
Speaker 2: There aren't any customers in the picture because it was

2260
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 2: taken before we open in the am chairs from the

2261
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 2: Dens of Sin known as Downtown Montreal. And then he

2262
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 2: writes tab Barnac element with an exclamation point. What is

2263
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 2: tab Barnac? Is that some strip club?

2264
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 1: Luke?

2265
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:06,639
Speaker 2: I don't you know it's been a long time.

2266
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 1: Hasn't been a French word, been a long.

2267
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 2: Time since my club super six days?

2268
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 1: Luke?

2269
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 2: If you know what I'm talking about, you know, I

2270
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 2: hope you don't. I hope no one did. Jeff Bogo,

2271
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:17,599
Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about. You were there for

2272
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 2: that gross. Yeah, all right, Luke, let's hear from now.

2273
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:22,120
Speaker 2: First of all, what do you have to say about that?

2274
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:25,280
Speaker 2: He puts us on in the establishment Downtown Montreal'll be.

2275
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 1: Nice if he did it in front of actual people,

2276
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:29,639
Speaker 1: but it is I appreciate that he's watching.

2277
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go over to Fancy Mortimer. He says, thanks

2278
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,360
Speaker 2: for all you two, that all you two do, from

2279
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:38,519
Speaker 2: the stats to the scat, it's all appreciated. Here's an

2280
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 2: alternate Bumper intro theme song I put together sync to video.

2281
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 2: It's got John Carpenter synth, bass and pads, obligatory wooden

2282
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:53,520
Speaker 2: martial arts, flu pride tycho on drums, Choppa hovering buffalo

2283
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:57,400
Speaker 2: bill lead vocals, and corny pseudo Gregorian chant background vocals.

2284
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 2: It also has slapticking used as a verb. Yours truly,

2285
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:25,719
Speaker 2: Fancy Mortimer, Oh you read ready, luke your honest thoughts.

2286
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 1: It's the worst shit I've ever seen in.

2287
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 2: Okay, is it better or worse than Cali on drums

2288
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 2: when he gave us a looking busy make it look easy.

2289
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:41,360
Speaker 1: It's actually it's actually somehow worse than that.

2290
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 2: Oh, that one's a classic from Cali. That guy's the best.

2291
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:44,720
Speaker 2: Cali's No.

2292
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:47,400
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It's like, listen, you know how kids

2293
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:50,240
Speaker 1: draw like the worst dumbest ship and then they hand

2294
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 1: it to you and you gotta be like, oh my god,

2295
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:56,000
Speaker 1: this is amazing. See no, no, no, I'm actually talking like

2296
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:57,920
Speaker 1: real kids, like kids bringing you like, oh it was

2297
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:01,280
Speaker 1: coloring and uh you know, look it's just the dumbesthit

2298
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 1: you ever seen in your life. They can't draw for shit,

2299
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 1: they got no skills whatsoever. But you gotta, like, you

2300
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 1: gotta like maintain the fiction that there's something to it.

2301
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:09,800
Speaker 2: Feel like you're subtweeting me. I still feel like you are.

2302
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 1: No, here's what I'm saying. Here's what I'm saying. Quite

2303
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 1: the opposite. Here's what I'm saying. Uh, I'll do that

2304
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:17,760
Speaker 1: for the Tuchster. The Tuchster can roll up with like,

2305
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:20,679
Speaker 1: you know, hey, here's my donkey who's purple and uh,

2306
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:22,200
Speaker 1: you know has wings that are the worts wings you

2307
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 1: ever seen in your life. I'll be like, god, damn,

2308
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:26,960
Speaker 1: I've never seen a purple donkey. So fucking awesome, Tuki,

2309
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:31,840
Speaker 1: you are amazing, but it's fantastic. Yes, yes, yes, but

2310
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 1: no one else can do that And then get that

2311
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 1: reaction from me, you know what I'm saying.

2312
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Fancy Mortimer. I did enjoy the

2313
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 2: Gregorian chance. It made us feel very classic Luke. Very historic, dude.

2314
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 1: It made me feel like we're about That was the

2315
01:47:45,240 --> 01:47:47,720
Speaker 1: intro to a German schisaporn. I mean, I just don't

2316
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 1: want to be evolved, you know what I'm saying.

2317
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 2: All right, let's go over to Colin with two l's,

2318
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:53,680
Speaker 2: he says, good morning. Earlier this year, my wife and

2319
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 2: I welcomed a beautiful little girl into our family. So

2320
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 2: the amount of times I've compared myself to Luke and

2321
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:03,120
Speaker 2: Kobe has exceeded the amount of times Luke watched Max

2322
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:06,679
Speaker 2: Versus Vulk two, but not by much. The shirt idea

2323
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 2: came to me the other day, incorporating two things that

2324
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:12,520
Speaker 2: Luke loves almost as much as ripping vapes and bbls.

2325
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 2: It's Washington, DC and being a dad. It might not

2326
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,639
Speaker 2: be full of dick jokes are awesome super Mario inspired art,

2327
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:21,479
Speaker 2: but hopefully it can still warm the area that Luke's

2328
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:23,800
Speaker 2: heart once was. Have a good day. I've got to

2329
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:26,519
Speaker 2: go lift in my front yard. It's Colin, Luke. This

2330
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:29,639
Speaker 2: is a brilliant shirt right here. Brilliant.

2331
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:32,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love the shirt. Also, the three stars and

2332
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:36,320
Speaker 1: the two bars, which is the DC flag. It looks

2333
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:38,960
Speaker 1: actually like my tattoo, which was kind of done the

2334
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 1: way that they have it so pretty good.

2335
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:46,160
Speaker 2: Actually, the sentence on the bottom is girls as girl

2336
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:49,599
Speaker 2: Dad like Luke and the late great Kobe Bryant. Luke

2337
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 2: hashtag girl dad, thank.

2338
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:54,120
Speaker 1: You every thing that BC brings up for no good reason.

2339
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:56,880
Speaker 2: I don't make jokes about the helicopter crash like I

2340
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,360
Speaker 2: do Dale Senior, just so you know, it's too soon, Luke.

2341
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 1: Okay, that's big of you, that's big.

2342
01:49:01,439 --> 01:49:03,679
Speaker 2: I'm not, like, you know, tell me how that grass

2343
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 2: tastes after that. I can't look that. They'll just be

2344
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 2: out be so ill deserved and just not appropriate right there.

2345
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:14,879
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, maybe we deserve to be fired. Honestly,

2346
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that is the fitting conclusion to this effort

2347
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 1: between you and I.

2348
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:21,719
Speaker 2: You know, we have that producer who has that Kobe

2349
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:23,760
Speaker 2: kat in his back. I probably shouldn't be slinging that

2350
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:25,960
Speaker 2: humor around Luke unless I want to get my ass kicked.

2351
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:28,719
Speaker 1: Well, if they're like the uh, you know, the cameraman

2352
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 1: on this show, then they're not watching.

2353
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:34,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's hear from Leo. He says, here's a

2354
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:38,559
Speaker 2: nice little Freudian slip for the boy. BC for fan subs.

2355
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:42,280
Speaker 2: Thanks for reading. It's Leo Levy, thank you. But Martin

2356
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:44,479
Speaker 2: does come to fight. He's been in a lot of wars.

2357
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:46,360
Speaker 2: As I mentioned. He gets up inside of you and

2358
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:49,000
Speaker 2: just keeps coming. Uh. And he gets up inside of

2359
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 2: you and just keeps coming. And he gets up inside

2360
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:56,400
Speaker 2: of you and just keeps coming. But it didn't involve pants,

2361
01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:57,280
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that much.

2362
01:49:58,439 --> 01:49:59,320
Speaker 1: You are sick.

2363
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:03,840
Speaker 2: I didn't even that wasn't even a plan skit or bit, Luke,

2364
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:05,200
Speaker 2: that's just bad analysis.

2365
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 1: That's a bit. BC's like, BC, give us the scattering

2366
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 1: report on Frank Martin or whoever. This wasn't Frank Martin.

2367
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:12,759
Speaker 1: This was the Frank Martin.

2368
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:13,600
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2369
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 1: I know it was the guy who thought big baby.

2370
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:16,680
Speaker 1: What's his first name?

2371
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 2: Uh, Charles Martin, Charles Morton.

2372
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 1: This was the Charles Martin. Okay, guys, he's gonna get

2373
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:26,880
Speaker 1: up inside you and ejaculate consistently. It's like, uh, that's

2374
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,360
Speaker 1: not a game plan. I'm not playing that game right

2375
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:31,160
Speaker 1: all right, thank you very much.

2376
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was unplanned. But I did put the anal

2377
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:37,880
Speaker 2: in analysis with that one. Luke, let's go over to history, HD.

2378
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:40,719
Speaker 2: He said, I wanted to reveal the origin of Luke's

2379
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:44,439
Speaker 2: hatred for Zuck and Musk. Also, can we get Luke

2380
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:48,280
Speaker 2: to weigh in as a backup fighter when this goes down?

2381
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 1: Oh, mister Thomas, why can't you be like Elon or

2382
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 1: Mark Zuck? But their tech Oligark's dad?

2383
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:00,160
Speaker 2: Was that your real dad? No?

2384
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 1: Check on my.

2385
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:09,439
Speaker 2: It's so good. It's so good.

2386
01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 1: Okay, So first of all, that was not my dad. Well,

2387
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:15,200
Speaker 1: the second of all, that was hilarious. That's a good zing.

2388
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:18,719
Speaker 2: That's a good yeah that you didn't need a song

2389
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:20,720
Speaker 2: or a T shirt right there. That's just a good

2390
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:21,360
Speaker 2: old zinger.

2391
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 1: I like that was great. That was really good.

2392
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:25,760
Speaker 2: Who was that Luke? I gotta remember that name. That

2393
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 2: was history HD. Wow, that's a very good history.

2394
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:30,599
Speaker 1: HD killed A good job, good job.

2395
01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 2: Let's go to Chris. He says, greetings, King and Queen

2396
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 2: of the Donks. After Luke's pedantic rant on Monday's Mailbag episode,

2397
01:51:37,439 --> 01:51:39,480
Speaker 2: I had to poke fun at him with the photoshop.

2398
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,000
Speaker 2: I guess it is indeed possible for someone to be

2399
01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:45,040
Speaker 2: far too smart for their own good. If ignorance ignorance

2400
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:48,400
Speaker 2: is bliss, Luke must be in a living hell. Love

2401
01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:50,120
Speaker 2: you guys, and keep up the good work. It's see

2402
01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:53,840
Speaker 2: Chris aka CLP from Los Angeles got okay.

2403
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 3: Time for some fan questions of Blo's, but for twenty

2404
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:00,960
Speaker 3: wants to know, Thomas, what's your face color, in which

2405
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 3: the caption then reads I cannot possibly answer this, Brian Campbell.

2406
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:06,479
Speaker 1: I do not have that kind of relationship with colors.

2407
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm not like the rest of you peasants who live

2408
01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:12,040
Speaker 1: in a social construct or colors. Blah blah blah.

2409
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke, did you did have a hard time naming

2410
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 2: your dream music festival?

2411
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 1: The partonly, just the thing I just want to go

2412
01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:20,840
Speaker 1: back to, is like, I it's hard for me to

2413
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 1: answer that question because it's like, who would you have

2414
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:24,720
Speaker 1: at a festival? It's like, obviously I can put an

2415
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,400
Speaker 1: act on a stage, but like when you say a festival,

2416
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:30,559
Speaker 1: it almost is like your task with like drawing them

2417
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 1: at the gate and nothing. I'm gonna say, I guess

2418
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 1: with Metallica and on the Roses, you could but short

2419
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:37,960
Speaker 1: of that, like the bands, I actually liked that they're

2420
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 1: not going to pull them at the gate like that.

2421
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:42,960
Speaker 2: You know, that wasn't part of the pedantic necessari it was.

2422
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:45,320
Speaker 1: It you're right. I made I made a simple question

2423
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:48,920
Speaker 1: awful and so that's how it ended up. But that's

2424
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:50,080
Speaker 1: where my head was at, NBC.

2425
01:52:50,160 --> 01:52:52,240
Speaker 2: I regret it, and you're an asshole. That's where it

2426
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:53,400
Speaker 2: was at. This is Mike.

2427
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:55,680
Speaker 1: Now if he does and Martin get up inside you

2428
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:57,439
Speaker 1: and just keep coming. Why don't we want to do that?

2429
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:00,439
Speaker 2: If this is what we had to endure? When BC

2430
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:03,720
Speaker 2: asked what Luke's Luke's top four bands would be, I

2431
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 2: can't imagine what he was like in school. He's still

2432
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:15,519
Speaker 2: our LT though, And the caption above a childhood dressed

2433
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:18,840
Speaker 2: in a girl's T shirt is you don't understand. That's

2434
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 2: not what math means to me, teacher.

2435
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:25,680
Speaker 1: These are these are some of the best zings in

2436
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:30,639
Speaker 1: the history of the I'm literally crying. That is so funny,

2437
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 1: that is so good. That's not what math means to me.

2438
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 1: What a stupid answer I gave? That is uh, that's

2439
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:43,120
Speaker 1: really really good. Who did that?

2440
01:53:43,439 --> 01:53:47,160
Speaker 2: Was c LP from l A, No, that was Mike, Sorry,

2441
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:48,719
Speaker 2: that was Mike whoever?

2442
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 1: It was? All right?

2443
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,840
Speaker 2: This is Alan W. Luke Allen W is on fire lately.

2444
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:55,760
Speaker 2: I want to remind you, or maybe he he maybe

2445
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:57,599
Speaker 2: he sent in a fart last week. But I think

2446
01:53:57,600 --> 01:54:00,759
Speaker 2: he's on fire in general, he says, t R. T. Thomas,

2447
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:03,800
Speaker 2: We're still waiting. This is the first photo. Let's see it.

2448
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:04,760
Speaker 1: That's fair.

2449
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 2: Yes, would you get that cupe of haircut? If you

2450
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:09,320
Speaker 2: got jacked? You probably would?

2451
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:12,640
Speaker 1: No, I would. I mean these guys who get haircuts

2452
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:14,800
Speaker 1: like five year olds and think it's funny, it's just

2453
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:15,639
Speaker 1: that blows my mind.

2454
01:54:15,680 --> 01:54:18,160
Speaker 2: But looks up tweeting me again? And or as you're

2455
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:20,160
Speaker 2: talking bad about Todd Grisham right now, I don't expect

2456
01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:20,639
Speaker 2: I don't.

2457
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 1: I've had Todd Todd has a mohawk.

2458
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:25,720
Speaker 2: No, Tod always has a younger man's haircut and a

2459
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:26,599
Speaker 2: younger man's body.

2460
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 1: Luke, you know yeah he also Yeah, but Todd Todd

2461
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:31,200
Speaker 1: looks better than us, you know what I mean?

2462
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:35,840
Speaker 2: Like, so I understand that the second photo from Alan

2463
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:37,280
Speaker 2: is called the American Alpha.

2464
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:42,400
Speaker 1: Oh so this is what was his character's name from

2465
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:45,120
Speaker 1: Street Fighter? Was it Ryu? And what was the other one?

2466
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:50,880
Speaker 2: Is that zan Gie? I was, Yeah, who's this guy?

2467
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:52,000
Speaker 2: That's what's his name?

2468
01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:52,240
Speaker 1: Uh?

2469
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, you got this so I.

2470
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:56,440
Speaker 1: Don't have to look at the fight? Yeah?

2471
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:59,680
Speaker 2: R J. Dingle Opera I think, uh, Luke. The last

2472
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:01,720
Speaker 2: picture from Alan W And by the way, that's very

2473
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:05,160
Speaker 2: well done. It says we are morning combat, Luke, Venom

2474
01:55:05,240 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 2: Thomas and Brian Carnage Campbell.

2475
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:10,560
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, yours looks way cooler than mine.

2476
01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:14,200
Speaker 1: Although I have to say, does this is this AI art?

2477
01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:17,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's that's kind of interesting. I

2478
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:17,880
Speaker 2: like it a lot.

2479
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:19,440
Speaker 1: Is the AI art?

2480
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:25,680
Speaker 2: It looks ai ish. Did chat GPT create this, Luke?

2481
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:27,760
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know.

2482
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:30,440
Speaker 2: All right, neither does Mikey. Thank you for your work,

2483
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:32,440
Speaker 2: Allen W. I would put this poster up my wall.

2484
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 2: I wish I could paint like that, Luke. We finally

2485
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:39,760
Speaker 2: have a submission here from average Joe Art. Luke, what

2486
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:42,920
Speaker 2: would you say about his twenty twenty three so far?

2487
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he's if he's not Donk of the Year,

2488
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:46,320
Speaker 1: no one is.

2489
01:55:46,680 --> 01:55:50,080
Speaker 2: Well he's pacing that way. Speaking of here he goes here,

2490
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:52,080
Speaker 2: I am thinking I was going to take a few weeks,

2491
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:54,040
Speaker 2: step back and see what everyone else comes up with.

2492
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:57,280
Speaker 2: Not because you hurt my feelings cough cough, get over it, guys,

2493
01:55:57,600 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 2: but when inspiration knocks you answer the even at midnight

2494
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 2: last Thursday. We're all relatively around the same age, and

2495
01:56:04,600 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 2: I was a huge WWF not E fan as a kid.

2496
01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:10,320
Speaker 2: My wrestling buddies were some of my favorites. I had

2497
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:12,880
Speaker 2: Jake the Snake and Macho King. So what if this

2498
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:16,760
Speaker 2: generation of donks had combat buddies? A side note for you.

2499
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:20,200
Speaker 2: When I was finishing off Brian's artwork, the missus asked,

2500
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:23,160
Speaker 2: why'd you dress him like that? I promptly showed her

2501
01:56:23,240 --> 01:56:25,959
Speaker 2: the episode of RSD with Michael Kiessa I was referencing,

2502
01:56:26,240 --> 01:56:28,520
Speaker 2: and her response was a puzzled and semi sad and

2503
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:34,480
Speaker 2: oh wow, okay, why that's unfortunate. Glad to hear RJ

2504
01:56:34,680 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 2: might be back in the fold in the near future.

2505
01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:38,600
Speaker 2: Tell him to fire up the bat signal when he's

2506
01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 2: ready to give the masses what they want. I could

2507
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:44,480
Speaker 2: keep these going for a long long time. Sincerely, your

2508
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:48,000
Speaker 2: twenty three Donk of the Year average, Joe R.

2509
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,760
Speaker 1: These are just next level in ways that is hard

2510
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:58,400
Speaker 1: to explain. I remember these dolls, yes, right, you could

2511
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:01,920
Speaker 1: get these duh, yeah, WDS, b WF whatever figurines, and

2512
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:03,440
Speaker 1: they were what they were about like a foot tall

2513
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:04,600
Speaker 1: or something something like that.

2514
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:08,560
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they were basically like pillows that you could

2515
01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:12,120
Speaker 2: either hog or perform wrestling moves on. This is brilliant

2516
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:14,480
Speaker 2: right here. I mean, look look at me dressed as

2517
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:17,240
Speaker 2: with the white with the all the smoke white sweatsuit

2518
01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:20,200
Speaker 2: and the and the Bob Marley one love hat. Look

2519
01:57:20,200 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 2: at that.

2520
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:24,240
Speaker 1: That's so, we'll say, I will say, in this particular illustration,

2521
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:27,080
Speaker 1: though I do look like the director of the Lightning

2522
01:57:27,160 --> 01:57:32,440
Speaker 1: Lee Marie documentary pacndellas, I will say, in this particular

2523
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 1: artistic arrangement, I can see the similarity.

2524
01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:38,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, uh and also average jo art says, Hi, guys,

2525
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:43,920
Speaker 2: simply put, this had to be done looking RJ. So

2526
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:48,000
Speaker 2: we made Oh my god, it's this ship's but head.

2527
01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:51,240
Speaker 2: Good lord, dude, can we get this on a sweatshirt

2528
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:55,360
Speaker 2: right now? That is.

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Speaker 1: Incredible.

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01:58:00,040 --> 01:58:03,200
Speaker 2: Look at your Washington DC T shirt instead of ac DC.

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01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:04,240
Speaker 2: This is so good.

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Speaker 1: I cannot well the way they should have put like

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Speaker 1: cornholio for you, because you would definitely be talking about that.

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Speaker 1: But other than that, holy fucking shit man that they.

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Speaker 2: Did, I'm beavis on the right, luke right, no, no.

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01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 1: No, but like actually saying instead of yo yo yo,

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01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:25,320
Speaker 1: actually saying cornholio. I mean, maybe that's too on the nose.

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01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:29,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, but whatever, that is so good. We

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01:58:29,800 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 1: have to get this ship. If we don't sell that

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01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:32,800
Speaker 1: shit in a store, what are we doing?

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01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:35,040
Speaker 2: What are we doing it? Yeah? Because guess what if

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01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:37,240
Speaker 2: we don't, some other show will. So let's get that

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01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:42,960
Speaker 2: rock solid and tied down. Thank you to Alan W, Average,

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01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:45,920
Speaker 2: Joe Ard, everybody else who came forward with once again

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01:58:46,160 --> 01:58:50,560
Speaker 2: making fans emissions great again. Red hot, red hat not necessary.

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01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:54,920
Speaker 2: The email address once again is Morningcombat at gmail dot com.

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01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:57,720
Speaker 2: Those are your fans, subs Luke. Not only does this

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01:58:57,800 --> 01:59:00,200
Speaker 2: guy appear to be running away with it at the

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01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 2: midiar point, Average show Ard, I'd like to run away

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Speaker 2: with all these designs for sale for our audience. I

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01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:06,080
Speaker 2: really would.

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01:59:06,200 --> 01:59:07,520
Speaker 1: We'll see. Yah. I'm going to check up on our

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01:59:07,600 --> 01:59:10,760
Speaker 1: j after this show and be like, buddy, let's get

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01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:14,080
Speaker 1: a move on, shall we Morningcombat Dot Store in the

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01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:17,280
Speaker 1: future Morningcombat Dot Store. Uh oh, Let's remind everyone. Let's

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Speaker 1: remind everyone Friday in studio Saturday, after the UFC fights,

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01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:24,800
Speaker 1: we will have a post fight show for you to watch.

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01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:27,760
Speaker 1: Make no mistake about it, that's gonna happen. And then

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01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:31,400
Speaker 1: as well BC and I, along with some special guests,

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01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:35,600
Speaker 1: are going to be ringside in Atlantic City calling the

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01:59:35,640 --> 01:59:39,200
Speaker 1: prelimbs on the YouTube channel of the show Sports Showtime

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01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:42,200
Speaker 1: Sports YouTube account. I think that goes live at what

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01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:44,959
Speaker 1: time BC sixty seven thirty something.

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01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:46,960
Speaker 2: Like that, six thirty ish. Yeah, we'll get you the

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01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:49,880
Speaker 2: information on Friday show and we'll narrow that part down.

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01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:52,280
Speaker 2: But excited to be calling the fights with you. Luke.

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01:59:52,360 --> 01:59:55,960
Speaker 2: Always wanted to do our specific tandem ringside. It's a

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01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:57,560
Speaker 2: different experience than calling the fight.

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Speaker 1: I've never done that.

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01:59:58,360 --> 01:59:59,640
Speaker 2: I've called him a conitor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've called amateur MMA fights cage side. I've called

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Speaker 1: pro MMA fights cage side. I've never called boxing fights

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02:00:07,400 --> 02:00:10,200
Speaker 1: pro boxing fights ringside. So this will be a milestone

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Speaker 1: for me.

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02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:14,040
Speaker 2: Brandon Chobs like third pro fight? Didn't you call it?

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02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:17,400
Speaker 1: I did? And he kicked that guy's ass.

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02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:19,840
Speaker 2: Was that the Ultimate Warrior Challenge or something?

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02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:22,560
Speaker 1: Yes, UWC that was in It was in at the

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Speaker 1: time the Patriot Center, which is the campus of George

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Speaker 1: Mason University, and uh, he fucked that guy up. He

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02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 1: fought like a local, tough guy who was a wrestling

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Speaker 1: standout at George Mason and uh, he beat him up.

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02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:38,040
Speaker 2: He he he knocked out cro Cop. I just want

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02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:39,920
Speaker 2: to remind people you can laugh all you want, but

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Speaker 2: this guy was an absolutely legitimate heavyweight at one point, Luke, Dude.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people fought on that show. John Dodson

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02:00:45,880 --> 02:00:48,680
Speaker 1: fought on that show. Long time Demetrius Johnson training partner

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02:00:48,760 --> 02:00:51,600
Speaker 1: Pat Runez fought on that show. Mike Easton fought on

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Speaker 1: that show. A lot of guys who went to the

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Speaker 1: UFC ended up on that show. Actually, so it was

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Speaker 1: at the time we ended up like we didn't know

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02:00:57,840 --> 02:00:59,560
Speaker 1: those guys were all going to pan out. Dustin Peg

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02:01:00,240 --> 02:01:01,680
Speaker 1: fought on that show, like a lot of dudes of fun.

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Speaker 1: Youfce it. So it's pretty cool.

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02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:04,880
Speaker 2: Well you and I will be. I'm excited to be

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02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:07,080
Speaker 2: on the call for you. Excited obviously, also to see

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02:01:07,480 --> 02:01:09,720
Speaker 2: the main event that night on Showtime, champiship boxing when

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Speaker 2: drawn Bootseniz takes Yeah, another step forward, Luke. Speaking of Boots,

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Speaker 2: I did get a chance to catch up with him

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Speaker 2: late last week. I believe that interview will be going

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Speaker 2: live in the next twenty four hours. A good chat

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Speaker 2: with Boots about where the division stands, who he likes,

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Speaker 2: in spence Crawford. Does he expect to fight the winners?

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Speaker 2: What if they move up? Will he follow them? A

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Speaker 2: lot of good stuff coming out of Boots this week,

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Speaker 2: so check that out. Roymand Villa his opponent who has

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Speaker 2: neckcats and it's very scary, so it should be a

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Speaker 2: fun fight. Uh yeah, Looking forward, Luke to two ninety.

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Speaker 2: We will have picks Friday. Okay, bet Yeah, We're gonna

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Speaker 2: bet him on Friday. We're gonna find out who's gonna

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02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:48,160
Speaker 2: win these big matchups. Maybe Whittaker will be DDP.

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02:01:48,360 --> 02:01:51,720
Speaker 1: Maybe probably people get mad when we call him DDP.

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Speaker 1: I've noticed that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Mikey letting me know. Sorry. Jihn boot Sennis goes

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Speaker 2: live this afternoon, three eastern. Be there if you care. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: uh you know. I mean there's only one d DP Luke, right.

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Speaker 1: But we're Diamond Dallas Page. Yoga. That's the thing.

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Speaker 2: You're like, the yoga gu Yeah, Luke, the yoga guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, dude, telling you man like people people the

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Speaker 1: yoga thing. I see everywhere the wrestling highlights.

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Speaker 2: I don't you know what about this, Luke? Do you

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Speaker 2: see this?

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Speaker 1: Is that the Illuminati sign?

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02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? That jay Z stole from him when jay Z

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02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:26,520
Speaker 2: went all kinds of illuminati.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well with that in mind, it's time

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Speaker 1: to close up shop.

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02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:32,280
Speaker 2: So show I didn't even mentioned Building seven at all.

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02:02:32,520 --> 02:02:34,680
Speaker 2: Why do you get this sensitive.

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02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:37,280
Speaker 1: Because it's a long show. Let's so let's see one

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Speaker 1: more time. Showtime dot com three to day free trophy

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02:02:39,400 --> 02:02:40,400
Speaker 1: like and you can keep it. If not, you can

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Speaker 1: bounce social follow us morning Combat everywhere, morning Combat on TikTok,

2634
02:02:44,440 --> 02:02:47,480
Speaker 1: Morning Combat on Twitter, Morning Combat on Instagram, and there

2635
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:49,080
Speaker 1: you go. You can see all the socials right down

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Speaker 1: there for BC ME and of course for the show

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Speaker 1: right here, and then last but not least, of course

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Speaker 1: Morning Coombat dot Store. I think we're gonna get some

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Speaker 1: of that stuff moving here pretty soon in a fair okay.

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Speaker 2: Thomas, Thomas Luke, you saw the dune to trailer for November.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts, your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: One boner up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Webscream just said to me in the DMS. Look,

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Speaker 2: I'm so fired up for November.

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Speaker 1: It does it does look good. I have to admit

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Speaker 1: it does look good. So I'm excited. So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: All right, we see. I will see you on Friday

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Speaker 1: in studio and uh yeah, that's it. For us here

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Speaker 1: on the show today, Morning Combat at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: If you got any dead wrongs for Friday, we'll read

2651
02:03:27,560 --> 02:03:29,400
Speaker 1: them out and do all that in studio, but we're

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Speaker 1: done for today, So for Brian Campbell, for Mikey Morms

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Speaker 1: on the Ones and twos from CBS Sports, we out.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you guys on Friday, and until then, may

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Speaker 1: all of your games be loyal