WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: Why can't we find Amelia Earhart? 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.920 M Hey everybody, it's me Josh, and for this week's 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.600 s Y s K Selects, I chose our episode Why 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.039 Can't We Find Amelia Earhart, which first aired in December 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.280 of two thousand. Recently, a photo has been making the 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:18.079 rounds that purports to show Amelia and her navigator, Poor 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:22.439 Fred Noonan after they disappeared, which supposedly gives credence to 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:25.160 the theory that the Japanese captured them. So I thought 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:26.759 it was a good reason and a good time to 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:36.919 revisit our episode on it. I hope you enjoy. Welcome 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:46.640 to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.879 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.320 Chuck Bryant, Chuck Tryan. Jerry's in the other room with 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.520 a golf putter that she's going to come in here 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.160 and swing in us any second now, which makes this 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.200 stuff you should not. I think we're on our last 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.520 nerve today. Yes, well it's Friday. It's the last Friday 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.360 in October. It's like three o'clock and we're going to 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.200 get out of here after this. Yeah, Plus we were 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:11.640 we've been gone a week and then we just get 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.400 carried in here by our minions on our thrones, and 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.679 we were plopped down and we just told Jerry to 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.120 like make it so And yeah, wh wasn't that standing 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:23.640 ovation from everyone we work with? Um? Just amazing. Yeah. Yeah, 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.240 I'm kind of used to him by now, Chuck. Yes, 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.960 do you ever get any Time Life books? No, I've 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:31.880 never gotten them, but I used to love those when 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.880 I was a kid. The commercials. Yeah, there's some cool ones, 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.760 the Old West ones especially. I like the ones that 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:39.959 we're just kind of like out there, like what the 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.280 heck is going on? Like I first heard of Trepi 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:46.119 Nation thanks to the Time Life Ancient brain Surgery from 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:50.360 What the heck is going On series? Yes, exactly, very underrated. 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.840 There's one, um, the Wild West once huh. Oh yeah, 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.760 the once killed a man just for snore and too loud. Huh. 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.040 That had a big impact on me. Yeah, I don't 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:03.000 snore my dad like my dad like the World War 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.640 two ones. Yeah, but he liked any think it's Old 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.640 War two for a while and now he's kind of 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:13.320 out of it really. Yeah, he's like kind of, um, well, 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:15.080 there was a there is a book. It's still in 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:16.800 print as far as I can tell it's called, uh, 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.440 it's life, not Time Life, because I think Time went 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.480 on with Warner in A O L. Which, by the way, 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.520 someone at Time Life their time Warner said that their 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.240 acquisition of A O L was one of the worst 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.959 mistakes in the history of business recently. That's not nice. 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.560 But there is a life book called, uh, the Greatest 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:43.040 Mysteries of All Time, and it's like a top fifty, 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:47.359 and it's things like, um, was Anastasia a live princess? Anastasia? 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:52.200 Did she escaped the Bolshevik Revolution? Who? That's not really 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.239 a mystery? How do they figure that one out? Yeah? 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.359 Oh no, I'm in Atlantis? Okay? Yeah. I was like, 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.720 you know, they they've got that one licked. We can 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:05.399 go there, actually, if you'll pay for the plane tickets. Um, 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:09.320 there's Jack, the ripper of our phase. Uh. And among them, 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.600 as she should be in all lists of the greatest 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:17.399 sunse Solved mysteries, is Amelia Earhart right. Um. In two 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:21.800 thousand seven, we saw the seventieth anniversary of her disappearance. 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.880 She just kind of flew into history. Uh. And I 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:29.480 wrote an article about it last summer. UM, and I 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.200 was really shocked to find that there is a lot 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:36.120 of pieces in place that if one thing would change, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.480 we'd know for sure what happened to her. But still 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.920 this mystery endures, um, and it drives people crazy and 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.600 makes them want to go like. People spend tons of 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:50.120 money and time and effort, sure uh to try to 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.000 figure out what happened to her, And some people have 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.720 come up with some theories that are interesting. Um. One 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.880 was that she was actually captured by the Japanese. This 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.360 is right before World Wars prison they were kind of adversarial. 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:04.720 Of what they leave out is that the Japanese actually 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.040 helped with her search, So that's not true what But 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.280 that is a theory that's still going on, that she 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:14.120 was captured by the Japanese, either executed or forced into 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.400 servitude to become Tokyo Rose, who was a group of 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:22.120 English speaking women who basically said, g I, your girlfriend 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:28.160 back home is having sex with um Captain America and Superman. Yeah. Um, 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.400 it's true. They said things along those lines. It's just 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.839 that's good. Um. Another one is that there was an 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.479 alien abduction. That's what I'm signing with. Have you heard 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:42.720 of Irene Craig mile Bolum. Yeah, that was the Apparently, 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.680 there was one theory that Amelia Earhart just assumed the 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.960 life of a New Jersey housewife by that name, a 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.160 successful banker who retired to become a New Jersey housewife. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.320 She's a very worldly woman. She had her pilot's license 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.360 in the thirties. There was a lot of stuff that. Um. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.960 She actually had a mutual end with Amelia Earhart. Um. 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.040 They kind of ran in the same circles. Um. And 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.360 not much as known of her life before World War Two. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.400 She kind of appears out of nowhere. Supposedly, so alleged 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.200 this guy who was about to release a biography in 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.839 nineteen seventies saying this lady is Amelia Earhart, and the 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:21.000 woman sued won one point five million dollars in the 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.680 book was never published, I believe. Interesting. Yeah, but the 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:28.279 guy was relentless after she died. Um, he asked to 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.560 be able to photograph and fingerprint her body, and the 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:36.680 family was like no, but he's taking it, Like exactly, 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:38.680 why would you not let me do that? You know, 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.800 because excuming your body isn't I think it was before 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.200 she was buried. He was trying to get her. Still. 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.160 I have a theory, Josh I'd like to have a 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.240 theory that if you asked one thousand people who Fred 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.440 Noonon was, that nine of them would have no idea 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.160 who you we're talking. Yeah, I had no idea who 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.640 he was until I researched this. Fred Noonan was in 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:03.279 the plane in the Lockheed Electra as the navigator that 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:07.880 went down um on July supposedly when you might not 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:09.880 have seen him. There's a picture of him in their 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.919 heart and he is the quintessential old timey navigator. His 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.800 button down shirts buttoned all the way up to apple. 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:21.640 He's got like some um papers in this front shirt pocket. 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.320 His his his pants are pulled up to just below 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:29.760 his um his nipples, uh, and he just looks like 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.920 he's like all business. That's who I would hired a definitely. 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.440 And he was a good guy apparently, um there was 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.719 before before they went off on their um equatorial trip 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.280 around the world. Yeah, explained to people. Because some people 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.720 might not even know the back story, we assume everyone knows. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:48.120 But what they were trying to do was circumnavigate the 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.279 globe along the equator, along the as long as you 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.880 could possibly take to get around the right. Obviously not 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.040 on when shot. They did this in installments, but they 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.120 were definitely not doing it in installments of four to 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.520 pop no. And by this time, we should also say, 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:06.560 this is nineteen thirty seven when they undertook this um trip. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.080 But by this time a Melia he was already like 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:14.760 this worldwide, internationally famous figure. She was a well known pacifist, 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.600 which is pretty cool. Um. She was a women's right 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.240 to advocate, like women can do anything that guys can 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.880 do kind of thing. Um. She was a study in 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.280 contrast though apparently like um, she had one of her 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.600 friends had given her at fifty chance of surviving this trip, 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.520 and she actually agreed with it. Um. And she had 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.920 said that she wasn't worried for herself because she maintained 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:41.040 this um uh this uh what she called a feminine 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:46.400 um conceit that she was afraid of aging. So she 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.440 wasn't really worried about dying. But she was worried about 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.640 Fred because he was like this nice guy with the family. 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:56.320 And she was right to worry because on July second, 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.920 ninety seven, they disappeared off the face of the earth. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.320 So what you're saying is she guts of steel steel. 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.760 She had already been awarded the Flying Cross UM by Congress. 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:09.000 She received the National Geographic Award from President of Herbert 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.240 Hoover UM. She was the first woman to cross the Atlantic, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:16.680 uh ten years before she'd broken in altitude record. UM. 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.320 She was the first woman to fly around the world. 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.760 So all of this in in about a ten or 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:26.120 twelve year career. She's done all this stuff. So when 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.400 she disappeared, the whole world knew. Oh yeah, it was big, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:33.680 big news and uh she Well, we'll talk about where 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.760 she disappeared, UM broadly because they still don't know for sure, 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.640 which is one of the problems. She departed in her 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.640 Lockkeeed Electra, which is to me one of the coolest 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:47.920 looking planes ever built, shiny silver, just really cool looking. Plain. 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:53.880 And she departed lie Papua New Guinea, Yes, Papua New Guinea, 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:58.120 to probably escape a key outbreak. Oh really, I don't know. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.559 That's the only place that that is found. Well, they 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:06.800 departed lie to UM for one of the longest stretches 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.240 of this of this flight, and they were um setting 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:15.120 out for Howland Island, which was about miles away from 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.440 when they were going. Right, So consider this chuck. They 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.559 had already flown most of the way around the world, 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.280 they had seven thousand miles short, yeah, and then this 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.960 was the longest stretch and it was also um it 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:27.560 was going to eat up a lot of that last 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:32.400 seven thousand miles from Papua New Guinea to Howland Island. 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.760 And Howland Island itself was pretty small, yeah, a mile 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.320 and a half by a half mile, yes, tiny little 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:43.880 and it only rose twenty ft out of the Pacific Ocean. Um. 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.400 And basically these are tolls out there in the Pacific, 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:51.240 just basically columns coming out of the ocean floor and 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.559 that's it. So there's like no shelf on either side. 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.440 I'm trying to land on a postage stamp, I would think, right. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.480 And it was very apparent to everybody in eating noon 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:04.120 In and Earhart and the US Coast Guard and government 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.400 that this is a very dangerous This is probably the 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.520 most dangerous leg of the journey. Um. So they had 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.920 a coast Guard cutter, the Itasca, who was tasked with 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.840 tracking them. It was it Tascad. Yeah, and they also 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.760 had two additional ships um for markers to help her along. 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.559 So she wasn't just completely out there alone. They were 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.560 they were trying to keep up with her because every 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.360 you know, clearly everyone had added a stake in her 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.720 being successful. And I say her and Fred, Poor Fred, 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.160 he just he never gets any accolades. You know, no 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:37.840 one even knows who he is. No one knows who 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.640 he is. So Fred was trying to use um celestial navigation, 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.319 but it was really overcast, so we couldn't do that. Uh. 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.920 They fell out of radio contact and at dawned the 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.280 it Taska picked up a transmission where she said that 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.040 noon in kind of figured that they were should be 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:58.200 just over where they were the boat, which was right 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.079 off of the shore of how all In Island, right, 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:05.000 but apparently they didn't see her and uh them the 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.120 lock keyed Electra and they they didn't hear. There was 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.000 no trace of it. They hadn't pretty sure that they 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.400 were way off, and about an hour after that they 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.480 knew the fuel was running low. And about an hour 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.680 after that they got the final transmission from her, which 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.679 basically um just said, we are running north to south. 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:23.400 Those were her last words that anyone ever heard. Very 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:31.400 sad so about that time, UM the news got back 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.679 that they never showed up to Holland Island. UM and 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.920 President Roosevelt, who was a friend of hers. He also 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.480 was a great admirer of hers as well. Um ordered 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:46.320 a massive search by the Navy, and remember we said 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.760 the Japanese helped as well. So it was a multinational 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:53.679 search and rescue UM mission that covered a quarter of 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:58.760 a million square miles. Yeah, that is a huge, huge area. Yeah, 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.360 Texas is um a little less than two hundred and 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.880 seventy thousand, so it's it's just slightly less than the 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.560 state of Texas. Right, And it was open water that 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.520 they're searching, right, Um, they and and and you know 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:14.880 the old joke is look at all that water, and 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.640 the reply is yeah, and that's just the top of it. Right, 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.480 that's one of the problems. Yeah, exactly, you're scanning area 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.079 the size of Texas and what possibly lies beneath all that, right, 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.240 And um, but you're hoping that if, if, if the 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.480 thing broke up, you would find some wreckage, some sign 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:36.040 of license. They found nothing, no, nothing that they could 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.800 link to air Heart or noon and like they just disappeared. Um. 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.560 And actually FDR took a lot of flak, we should say, 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.200 because he spent four million bucks in the middle of 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.840 the Great Depression just to search for this one person 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.800 or well these two people see poor Fred noon in Um, 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:56.839 but he always stood by that as far as I know. Um. Again, though, 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.600 is a fruitless search. And they turned up thing right. 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:02.199 I think they'd be a great band name. I know 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.400 I say that, but poor Fred Noonan that's a good one. 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.839 I have to remember that in case l cheap over 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:12.760 breaks up. Uh. After the navy search, they basically discontinued 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.920 their search and said, you know what, we can't find 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.920 her and Fred and um, we're going to send a 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.160 destroyer out to Gardner Island. It was called Gardener Island 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.880 back then and now it's uh nick umar roo nick 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:30.559 kumar ro nikumaroo. And uh they did this because radio 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:34.559 transmissions on her frequency we're being broadcast in that area 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.880 there were, which is pretty substantial. Yes, this is an 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:44.000 uninhabited area. And um, this is still an unexplained aspect 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:48.839 of this mystery. There were sporadic bursts of radio transmissions um, 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.520 and no one still can say why they were. They 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.120 were from some guy named Fred noon and so they 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:57.800 didn't pay exactly. They're like, who's that he's seen? Ali, 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.640 I guess he's a swimmer. Um. So They basically sent 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.600 a couple of dispatch planes um to that island, found 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:08.199 nothing and said, all right, we're calling off this area. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.719 That she's not out here, there's no evidence of life. Right, 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:15.000 and that would have been that that was seven right, 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:19.520 and the planes went back to the destroyer their aircraft 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:23.040 carrier and left. Uh and that that that wouldn't that 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.720 probably would have been the end of the association between 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:29.000 Gardener Island or or Nika and Nick umar ro Ro 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.160 and Amelia Earhart had it not been colonized by the 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.600 British and ight hadn't not been for their pin shot 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:40.680 for colonization. Yes, period. If British imperialism didn't exist, this 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.480 probably these these artifacts Nember would have turned up. But 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.920 there um there how they like to colonize things. They 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:52.640 colonize this remote outpost actually gathered up some other islanders 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.520 nearby and said, hey, you're gonna live here now. Um. 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:57.840 And when these islanders went on the island, they found 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:02.280 evidence that a castaway had been there recently. They found 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.760 some pretty jarring stuff, right Chuck, Yeah, And I mean 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.000 most certainly a castaway, because they found a woman shoe, 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:14.480 a man shoe, liquor bottle, well, yeah, and a container 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.840 for a sextant, which is one of those you know, 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.320 those are the cool looking navigational device that you hold 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.000 up and it looks like something at a League of 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.400 Extraordinary Gentlemen or something, which Fred Nowtan had on the 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.120 plane with them, of course he did, you know Fred. Uh. 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.960 And then they also found um, certainly not the least 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.680 of which would be human skull and bones. Yeah. Here's 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.440 here's where this thing would be just done, probably in 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.760 my opinion, or where they just say this is them. Yeah, yeah, um, 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.920 they found one set of human remains. Um. The the 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:51.760 islanders took this to the governor of the island. His 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:57.560 name was, uh, Gerald, I can't remember, Gerald Gallagher, Thanks buddy. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.920 They took it to Gerald gallaghery Gallagher says, I suspect 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.200 I know who this is. Let's get a physician looking 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.640 at this. The physician examines it, and the bones are 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.520 promptly lost forever. No one has any idea what happened 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.600 to him. Luckily, this physician took pretty methodical notes and 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.040 wrote descriptions and drew drawings with the bones, and so 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.840 in the nineties some forensic anthropologists got their hands on 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:24.080 these notes and they said pretty much unequivocally that these 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:28.720 bones were the bones of a woman of Northern European 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:33.080 ancestry who was about five ft seven and Amelia her 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.680 heart was five eight. Well, you would think they're off 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.960 by an inch. It wasn't her exactly, But in this 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:44.080 day and age, you have to have DNA evidence to controvertibly. Right. Sure, 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.320 so the bones go missing, we can't get a DNA match. 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:52.040 But consider that on an uninhabited island, right where they 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.200 think that Amelia Earhart might have gone down, the remains 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:59.120 of a woman of Northern European ancestry who was pretty 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.400 much the same high his Amelia heart were found a 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:07.240 few years after disappearance. I say score, I say scores, game, 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.919 set match. But they also found some other cool stuff. Um, 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.080 and the area of the island was called seven Site, 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.680 and that was the little encampment that they believe, you know, 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.120 was used by them. And they found some other cool 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:23.480 stuff like clamshell fragments that basically they were smashed open 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.440 by somebody right and exposed to fire, which you know, 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:31.440 unless they were struck by lightning, that's pretty much definitive 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.320 evidence of human use. Well, yeah, and they also found 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.639 bones of fish and birds and turtles that had been 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.040 exposed to fire. So in other words, somebody was cooking 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.960 up something to eat. Uh. What else did they found? 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:45.320 They found, Um, they found pieces of bottle that show 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:49.080 signs of use is cutting and sawing tools. Yeah. UM. 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.160 They also found a little piece of a knife, UM, 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.119 which they managed. I don't know how they did this, 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.840 because you sent me this link. There's a picture of 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:01.000 just the knife blade. And they went back and managed 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:05.040 to identify it as a type of jack knife that 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.320 was produced within this time period by this company Rhode Island, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.880 so it was it was produced from ninety ninety two 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.880 or something like that. And then they went back this year. 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.640 This group called the UM we should say their name 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:22.920 the International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery or TIGAR. Yeah, 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.239 they've been I think three or four different times over 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.560 the years to this island. They went this summer as 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.000 I was writing this, they were preparing the expedition and 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.119 they found the rest of the knife. UM. And this 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.480 is where they hoped to get DNA evidence from. Well yeah, 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.480 and not the reason that the knife discovery is important 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:41.879 or the rest of the knife. They originally found the 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.840 blades only, and then they found the knife this summer, 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.080 and it showed that the knife blades had been forcibly 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:53.400 removed from the knife, indicating that maybe that they took 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.200 out each blade too. Maybe and of course you're speculating, 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.480 but maybe to attach it to an end of a 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.000 spear or something like that for fish fishing. Anyone was 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.280 seeing castaway knows what that's all about. I saw that 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.080 the other day again by the way um there. They 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:10.240 also found Gardner Island, by the way, became uninhabited in 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:12.760 nineteen sixty three. There was a prolonged drought and the 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.960 British government, we're just like, just forgive it, everybody, just 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:22.879 leave Um and the group Tighar when they went to 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:27.040 excavate around there, they found in this abandoned village folk 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:32.040 art made of aluminum aircraft metal right, which they can't 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:36.800 definitively prove came from her plane. Obviously, there's a lot 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.760 of circumstantial evidence of female castaway handicrafts or maybe Tom 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.639 he was the big crafty guy, but there Um, I 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.840 don't think Tom made it. I think Amelia Earhart made it. 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.760 I think Tom was maybe kill an impact or drowned 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:55.480 and Amelia made it to the island and died there alone, 0:19:56.480 --> 0:20:00.520 quite possibly, and she may have even eaten him. Now 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:04.280 that's a that's that's a new theory. I think you'd launched. 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.000 I don't know that goes in with your disappearance of 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:12.160 the Neanderthals. That's right, they melted, Um, you you were. 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.040 The reason we're talking about these objects that they've recently recovered, though, 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:19.600 is because they're trying to get some DNA called touch 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.760 DNA off of a few of these items. They submitted 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.520 ten I believe out of a hundred. It's one of 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.280 the reasons why finding that knife was very important. Is 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:29.800 huge because I believe they submitted the blades, and then 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:33.480 they found some glass from what looked like a cosmetics 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.760 star and a couple of buttons, and they submitted these 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:39.600 things to a place in Canada. And I think as 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:43.480 of today, I still don't think they have the results 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.800 of that DNA testing done. That I see that they 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:48.760 had it done yet so guarded, but they wouldn't be 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.240 such enormous news that we would have known. That's what 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.960 I think, um Chuck. There's a lot of people out 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:59.840 there who also think that her plane sur survived intact 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:03.479 and is at the bottom of the Pacific. That's awesome, 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.879 And people still I think tig are included um undertake 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:12.520 sonar searches of the ocean bottom. Uh. And there's a 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:15.520 good chance that the plane did make it. Um. They 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:18.480 were flying supposedly at about a thousand feet, which is 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.240 extremely low, and they were doing about a hundred miles 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:25.240 an hour, which is pretty slow for a plane, especially 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:28.840 a Lockheed Electra, so conceivably didn't necessarily bust into a 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:32.240 million pieces. Yeah, so it's possible it's still out there 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:35.239 at the bottom of the ocean. Well, I I am 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.960 totally sold. And I know I said like every single 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.560 Jack the Ripper killer we brought up. Yeah, he sounds 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:44.680 like the guy. But I'm completely convinced that this is 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:46.800 where she spent her last days like you, and that 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.240 she ate Fred noon In. I don't know that Fred 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.439 or Fred. Uh. We should also mention too that UM 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.480 they use a new well new to them at least 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:59.440 ground penetrating radar g PR for the first time on 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:02.080 this last trip to summer, and that is when you 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.720 can actually look beneath the surface for anything that was buried. 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:09.560 Like Fred, it's magic and um. They they didn't find 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:12.160 anything though, because not because there was anything there necessarily, 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.080 but there were lots of roots and air pockets underneath 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:18.000 the thing. And I get the feeling that this looks 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:20.280 since you're looking for something buried, looked for pockets of air, 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.439 and so that it was completely in conclusive. They threw 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.679 in the ocean. She may have also pulverized his bones 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:33.159 to cover up her abomination. Yeah, I wonder it's I 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:34.679 think this is what happened. I wonder how long they 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:38.040 survived though. I wonder if it was weeks or months 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.760 or what. Well consider it. I mean, if her plane 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:45.119 went down in ninety seven and they started colonizing at 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:48.480 ninety eight, she lasted less than a year. But can 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.119 you imagine if she like just gave up and then 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:55.040 like a week later the British come to colonized Gardener Island. Yeah, 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:57.520 I mean, how horrible would that be? So she she 0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:59.320