1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: All Zone media. 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: Hello and welcomed to It could happen here. This is 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: Sharene and today is part one of a two part 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: series where we talked to someone who was on the 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: ground in Palestine, in both Lesse and the West Bank. 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to say Lesday because that's how you say 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: in Arabic, but that means gaza for those who are unfamiliar. 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 2: Ever since Israel began bombing the people of Lesa in 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: October of last year, it has been virtually impossible for 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 2: AID to get into Lesse. Both the Israeli government and 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: its citizens, acting on their own initiative, have blocked AID convoys, 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: destroyed life saving medical and food aid, and harassed people 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: for supplying aid. AID workers who even can get into 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: Rasse have been bombed, shot at and killed. And it's 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: not just AID that can't get into Lessee. It's extraordinarily 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: hard for information to even get out. Cell Phone signal 17 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: is scarce, and understandably people there use it to contact 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 2: their families, not foreign journalists. So to get a good 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 2: sense of what life is like on the ground. In 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: the Dafa, we spoke to Ava, one of the mutual 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: aid volunteers who at great risk to her own life, 22 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: traveled into lesday to help the people there. 23 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: My name is Ava. I am a nurse and street medic. 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 3: I'm Jewish of European ancestry and was raised in Pacific Northwest, 25 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: on the traditional lands of the Chinook, Tualitan and Clackamas 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: and many other First nations what is commonly called Portland organ. 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: Ava was able to send us some voice notes describing 28 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: her day to day back in April. She told us 29 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: what she saw, what she experienced, what she heard. Understandably, 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: there is some background noise in some of this audio, 31 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: but I personally think it helps ground us in the 32 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: moment that she's experiencing. 33 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: So here I am the morning of Friday, April nineteenth. 34 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,559 Speaker 3: This is the start of my second day in Lazza. 35 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: I spent a full day yesterday at Aja Hospital in 36 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 3: the emergency department, getting introduced to the staff there. The work, 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 3: the equipment, the patterns of illness and injury, the shortages, struggles, 38 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: the pain, the happiness is really quite beautiful and hard, 39 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: and a mashup of everything I've experienced in occupation, things 40 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: I've experienced as a new nurse to a floor, and 41 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: things I haven't experienced before, which is being a site 42 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: of an active war zone and genocide. Ajar Hospital is 43 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: located very close to the Rafa border crossing. It's also, 44 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 3: I guess, one of the areas more heavily impacted by 45 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: violence right now in Rafa, which is still much less 46 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 3: so than areas to the north like Communis, et cetera. 47 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: We asked Ava to explain the situation in the Dapha 48 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: at the time of this recording and where she was 49 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: within it. The following conversation with Ava took place on 50 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: April twenty ninth. 51 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I will first locate myself on Cla, which 52 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: is the only part of Flaza that I have ever seen, 53 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: and I have only been in the Gaza during the 54 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 3: last two weeks. I've been in Palestine twice. This is 55 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 3: my first time in this area, and I haven't seen 56 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: Adina Haza. I haven't seen a hone yness. I haven't 57 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: seen the destruction up there, and I think that that 58 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: is from the people who I have met who are 59 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: refugees from those areas, healthcare workers, members of the public. 60 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: There's really uh oh yeah, that's just a moto. Sorry. 61 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: There's a lot of rumblings and things that happened periodically, 62 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: and a lot of them are explosions that I think 63 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: is just a motor but yeah, I mean it's it's 64 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 3: really interesting because I arrived at a when food stuffs 65 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: had just started to cross in a little bit more regularly, 66 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: and I was told that basically in the week before, 67 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: like street markets had reoccurred, which hadn't been a thing 68 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 3: for months, And that's like a big part of my 69 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: experience in the West Bank. And so it was really 70 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: great to see people, even if it was just like 71 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 3: a little bit of food selling food on the street. 72 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 3: Starting to see bread being baked and distributed, seeing people 73 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 3: out and about was exciting. There is rampant signs of 74 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 3: destruction everywhere. There are lots of standing buildings, but there 75 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 3: are lots of piles of rubble in streets the sites 76 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 3: of former buildings. People have done a remarkable job clearing space, 77 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: but there's sense of destruction everywhere, and I think in 78 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 3: some ways the most painful sites are where buildings aren't 79 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: completely destroyed and you can see into people's bedrooms, kitchens, 80 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: bathroom and things like that, see artwork still hanging, seek 81 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: fragrants of their homes and lives. There are tent cities everywhere. 82 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 3: I am currently speaking to from within a house that 83 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: is one of the houses that are rented by NGOs 84 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 3: in the area from generally people who have managed to 85 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: escape that'sa and who are renting their homes for a 86 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: bit of income and to decrease the likelihood their house 87 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: will be bombed. And in this particular house, we're in 88 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 3: the neighborhood of Tel Sutan, and there are tense cities 89 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 3: all around us. So it's one of those weird situations 90 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: of staying in a somewhat palatial home where there are 91 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: people sleeping in very rudimentary tents and structures, sometimes completely 92 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 3: uncovered in one hundred plus degree weather. I think the 93 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: highest temperatures we've seen where a couple of days where 94 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 3: it was about four to eight degrees centigrade, which is 95 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 3: about one o seven fahrenheit. There are a lot of 96 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 3: sick people, a lot of struggling people. 97 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: Longtime listeners of the podcast will remember our interview with 98 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: Tadic Lobani, one of the inventors of the three D 99 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: printed tourniquet, as well as the founder of Glia, a 100 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: medical aid charity. Ava, who was also a medical professional, 101 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 2: is working with them. 102 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 3: I've been working with an organization called Glia that works 103 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 3: with primary care clinics and with maternity and like natal clinics, 104 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: and has also been starting to work with at least 105 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 3: one emergency department. And I've been working at the hospital 106 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 3: al Naja, which is used to basically be a community 107 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: tertiary hospital with basically an urgent care clinic, that has 108 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: basically become the only remaining general public emergency department in 109 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 3: the RAA. There are other there's like an maternity emergency department, 110 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 3: hospital department, there's an emergency department run by MSF and 111 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: like these other ones, but like this is the only 112 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: general public one. And I've been there just you know, 113 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: for two weeks most every day to day off when 114 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: I was sick and took off the day to day 115 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 3: to see some different parts of some other clinics, which 116 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: is really good comparison. 117 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: We asked Ava what kind of injuries she sees and 118 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: what the medical situation is like in the l's. 119 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: But I will say that it's wild the variety of 120 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 3: you know, injuries and illnesses that you'll see in that space. 121 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: That is true of any emergency department. But depending on 122 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: the hours, I have foundering the day. Most of the 123 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: illnesses and injuries are more usual except exacerbated by the 124 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 3: lack of resources, lack of primary caricter resources la celebated 125 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: by the lack of medications, exacerbated by the lack of 126 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 3: clean water and sanitation. Occasionally injuries like from bombings or 127 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: shootings at night when I have not been there. I 128 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: have heard of many missile strikes, whype, we got entire families, 129 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 3: large numbers of people murdered. I have seen, you know, 130 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 3: several people killed in that way come to the emergency deburbon, 131 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: but in no way representative of what's been happening, and 132 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 3: it's been a vi all account better these weeks than 133 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: it has been before, though number of missile strikes and 134 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: things are kind of increasing. There has been word given 135 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: that there is likely going to be evacuation orders starting 136 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 3: in the next in this next few days to a 137 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 3: week from the Israelis, but no signs of an immediate inclusion. 138 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: That said, we don't know. Most people are pretty hopeful 139 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: of that that I've talked to, that a ceasefire will 140 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 3: be reached, although it's unclear what that would mean. But 141 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: I can say from my time working in these hospitals 142 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: that and just being in the community that like most 143 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 3: people are hanging on by a thread, whether they have 144 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: just gotten something very loosely resembling a hint of stability, 145 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: of like having a place where they are having access 146 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: to food. There are children playing, there are you know, 147 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: some some of the signs of life that I'm used 148 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: to seeing in Palestine. There are emergency departments that are 149 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 3: somewhat functional. They're like my colleague is working at a 150 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: NICU where it's always full, but they are able to 151 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: care for the babies that are there, even not as 152 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 3: well as they would like to, but like they are 153 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: able to if this population is displaced again, which is 154 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: what the Israelis are suggesting in this case, towards con 155 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 3: units which they've leveled, and they are trying to get 156 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: the international community to set up ten cities there. That 157 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: will kill a lot of people, that will tear apart 158 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 3: a lot of what little people had left. So very 159 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: very difficult in that way. That said, it's also more 160 00:09:54,640 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: alive than I expected. There's more signs of daily life, 161 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: life of children playing, of people making and serving coffee 162 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 3: in the street of a couple of bakerries are producing 163 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: you know, all those pieces like flawhel SAMs like those 164 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 3: things exist coast of food or atrocious We don't, you know, 165 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: buy food here, but I'm aware of some of the prices, 166 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: and they are much higher than they would be in 167 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: the West Bank, where food is you know, not on Embarco. 168 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: For those who aren't super familiar, the West Bank refers 169 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: to the West Bank of Jordan. It stretches across the 170 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: eastern border of Israel, along the west banks of the 171 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: Jordan River and most of the Dead Sea. It was 172 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: designated as its own region when Israel established itself and 173 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 2: ethnically cleansed Palestine in nineteen forty eight, but it has 174 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 2: been eaten away to a massive amount. In nineteen sixty seven, 175 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: it was occupied during the Six Day War, and during 176 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies and eighties, Israel began establishing settlements there, 177 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: which was and is still illegal under international law, and 178 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 2: even with protests from the international community, Israel continues still 179 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: today to establish settlements on Palestinian land. The first major 180 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: Arab uprising aka the First Intifada, also referred to as 181 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: the Stone Intifada, began in nineteen eighty seven in the 182 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: Gaza Strip and spread to the West Bank. It ended 183 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety three with the signing of the First 184 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: Oslo Accords. The Second Intifada, also known as the Usa Antifada, 185 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 2: was another major Arab uprising by Palestinians against the Israeli occupation. 186 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: During the twenty tens, the Fatah dominated Palestinian authority worked 187 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: toward establishing itself as an independent government in the urban 188 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: Palestinian areas of the West Bank. At the same time, 189 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: Israel expanded its settlement activity in the territory. FUTA, formerly 190 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: the Palestinian National Liberation Movement, is a Palestinian nationalist and 191 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: social democratic political party. It is the largest faction of 192 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: the confederated multi party Palestine Life Biation Organization and the 193 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: second largest party in the Palestinian Legislative Council. PATTA has 194 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: been closely identified with the leadership of its founder and chairman, 195 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: Yasser Arafat, who was elected chairman of the PLO in 196 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: Cairo in February nineteen sixty nine until his death in 197 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: two thousand and four. In May twenty twenty one, Palestinian 198 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: families in Schechestradra, a neighborhood and occupied East Jerusalem began 199 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: protesting against Israel's plan to forcibly evict them from their 200 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: homes to make way for Jewish settlers. Many of the 201 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: families were refugees who had settled in Schechtradra after being 202 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: forcibly displaced around the time of Israel's establishment as a 203 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: state in nineteen forty eight. Since Israel occupied the East 204 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank in nineteen 205 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: sixty seven, Palestinians and Schechterrara had been continuously targeted by 206 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: Israeli authorities, who used discriminatory laws to systematically dispossess Palestinians 207 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: of their land and homes for the benefit of Jewish Israelis. 208 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 2: The events of May twenty twenty one were emblematic of 209 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: the oppression which Palestinians have faced every day for decades. 210 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: The discrimination, the dispossession, and the repression of descent, the 211 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: killings and injuries, they are all a part of a 212 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: system which is designed to privilege Jewish Israelis at the 213 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: expense of Palestinians. This is apartheid, which is, as you 214 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: should know, prohibited an international law. In twenty twenty one, 215 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: Amnesty International reported that Israel imposes a system of oppression 216 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 2: and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control 217 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, and against Palestinian 218 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: refugees in order to benefit Israelis laws, policies, and practices 219 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 2: which are intended to maintain a violent system of control 220 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: over Palestinians have left them fragmented geographically and politically, frequently impoverished, 221 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: and in a constant state of fear and insecurity, with 222 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: no freedom of movement or freedom's period. And then there's 223 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: Israel's Apartheid Wall, which began as a fence along the 224 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: border between the West Bank and what is called Israel. 225 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: It was first constructed by Israel in nineteen seventy one 226 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: as a security barrier and it has been rebuilt and 227 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the 228 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: movement of the Palestinian population as well as goods between 229 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: the Gaza Strip and Israel. So that's some history on 230 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: the West Bank, and just for some context, twenty twenty 231 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: three was the deadliest year for Palestinians since the United 232 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs AOCHA began 233 00:14:55,200 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: recording casualties in two thousand and five. Since the Gaza genocide, 234 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: Israel has stepped up military raids in the West Bank, 235 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: where violence had already been surging for over a year. 236 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: UN records show that Israeli forces or settlers have killed 237 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 2: hundreds of Palestinians in the West Bank since October seventh. 238 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, at least five hundred and seven 239 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: Palestinians were killed, including at least eighty one children. Between 240 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: October seventh and December thirty first, twenty twenty three, two 241 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety nine Palestinians were killed in the West Bank, 242 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: marking a fifty percent increase compared to the first nine 243 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: months of the year. According to the World Health Organization, 244 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: since October seventh, four hundred and seventy four Palestinians, including 245 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: one hundred and sixteen children, have been killed in the 246 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 2: West Bank, including occupied East Jerusalem, and about five thousand 247 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 2: were injured. There are many days where Israeli forces killed Palestinians, 248 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: but I'm going to refer to a couple just to 249 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: give you a general idea of the violence the Palestinians experience. 250 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: On March twenty five, first, there was a day when 251 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: Israeli forces killed three Palestinians in separate incidents in the 252 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: occupied West Bank, resulting in ten Palestinians killed in the 253 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: territory over a twenty four hour period. This was reported 254 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: by the Palestinian news agency WEFA. On April twentieth, Israeli 255 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 2: forces killed fourteen Palestinians during a raid in the occupied 256 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: West Bank, including an ambulance driver who was killed as 257 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: he went to pick up wounded Palestinians from a separate 258 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: attack by violent Israeli settlers. Erica Guavera Rosas, Amnesty International's 259 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: director of Global Research, Advocacy and Policy. 260 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: Said under the cover of the relentiss bombardment and atrosty 261 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: crimes in Gaza, Israeli forces have unleashed unlawful lethal force 262 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, carrying out unlawful 263 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: killings and displaying a chilling disregard for Palestinian lives. These 264 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: unlawful killings are in blatant violation of international human rights 265 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: law and are committed with impunity in the context of 266 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: maintaining iss institutionalized regime, the systematic oppression and domination over Palestinians. 267 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 2: Because Ava has experience in both clus in the West Bank. 268 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask what she witnessed while in the 269 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 2: West Bank. Here's Ava telling us about her experience. 270 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 3: Specifically, I was working with the International Solidarity Movement, which 271 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: is the same group I worked with when I was 272 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 3: in Palestine twelve years ago. And that's basically exactly what 273 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 3: it sounds like. It's a vaguely anarchist and her socialist 274 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 3: and our communist informed assembly of most the internationals with 275 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 3: this s mattering of Palestinians and a couple Israeli activists. 276 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 3: I was in the West Bank this round from the 277 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: end of January until I came to Gaza, which was 278 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: halfway through April, so basically two and a half months. 279 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 3: Most people who volunteer there it's anywhere from like two 280 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 3: or three weeks to two or three months. Because of 281 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 3: tourist visa last that long, and that's usually the most 282 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 3: you can expect. During this time I was there, Ism 283 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 3: and other solidarity organizations got to be a topic of 284 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 3: much discussion in the Israelikan essets, as they got very 285 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 3: excited about the dangerous anarchists in the South. There's a 286 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 3: lot of interesting converisons between the West Bank and. 287 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: Gaza, Palestinian people are divided by the State of Israel 288 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: into two areas, with two separate governments and two different 289 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: experiences of occupation. We asked Ava what people in Redsiday 290 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 2: had to say about the situation for those living in 291 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 2: the West Bank, where settler colonialism spreads every single day. 292 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 3: Maybe I'll start VI saying, when I rolled into Gaza 293 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 3: and met members from the Health of Ministry and like 294 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 3: they're like, oh, you speak some Arabic, particular in Arabic, 295 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 3: and I was like in the West Bank and they're like, oh, 296 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 3: it's so hard there. And I was like really, and 297 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 3: they were like, yeah, you know, I mean obviously, like 298 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 3: the war, which is what they call the genocide you 299 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 3: usually hear too, has been very hard, but like before that, 300 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: like they have to live under a different version of 301 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 3: occupation or direct version of occupation every day. And I 302 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 3: thought that that just like touched something intense in me 303 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 3: and like was really like a big I don't know, 304 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 3: it just affected me a lot. But as far as 305 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 3: like comparisons, there are parts of the West Bank that 306 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 3: feel independent, that you feel like, oh, I'm in an 307 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 3: area that is, you know where ostensibly are not supposed 308 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 3: to see Israelis, and if they are there, they're like 309 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 3: my friend who just lives in, you know, lives with 310 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: her husband who's Palestinian, and they hang out there and 311 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: are fine most of the time. But a lot of 312 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: these areas that I spent almost of my time are 313 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 3: areas where there's more direct contact constantly between settlers, soldiers 314 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 3: and the Palestinian community who are often in those areas, 315 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: like we're in rural and it's like a very different 316 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 3: scale of genocide. I often talk about that as like 317 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 3: a slower genocide, and this is a faster genocide here 318 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 3: in Gassa, but it's like no less horrible. It ends 319 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 3: up being like a person a person, and like parcel 320 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 3: of land, a parcel of land Palestinian heard of sheep 321 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 3: is rarely heard of sheep, herd of sheep, And it 322 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 3: sounds like very parallel, except that the Palestinians have been 323 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 3: shepherding there for generations or hundreds of years. And the 324 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: settlers there, some of them, most of them are like teenagers, 325 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 3: war dropouts and like get in trouble all the time, 326 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 3: and then they're brought up there at this community service 327 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 3: and some of them know how to shepherd, and some 328 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 3: of them don't, but they use it as an opportunity 329 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 3: to graze their animals on like Palasinian wheat fields. 330 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: Settler colonialism isn't just a vague concept or a way 331 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: of looking at the past in Palestine. It's something that 332 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 2: happens almost every single day. The violent displacement of Palestinian people, 333 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 2: which began with the Nekba, has never really stopped, and 334 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 2: the families in the West Bank experience their own nekbas 335 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: every time their land is stolen. That's why volunteers like 336 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: Ava go there to be in solidarity with the Palestinian people. 337 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: We asked Ava what the process of appropriation looks like 338 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: on the ground. 339 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: They stand somewhere, get confrontational with the Palestinians, with the international, 340 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 3: and it's really solidarity activists. They get the police to 341 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 3: and soldiers who arrest people and harass people. They occasionally 342 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: fire at and sometimes kill or sairly injure Palestinians, less 343 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 3: commonly at jenab Or. It's really octivists. After the seventh 344 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 3: all across the West Bank. Initially, a lot of the settlers, 345 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 3: as I understand I, responded by kind of clamping down 346 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 3: security concerns and then very quickly turned it into an 347 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: opportunity for attack and turned up at villages like the 348 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 3: village of Zenuta and just were like which had like 349 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 3: about one hundred fanms and was like, you don't leave, 350 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 3: We're going to kill you all. And so people left 351 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 3: and it was a credible threat and they did kill 352 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 3: a lot of people. I think that's the largest village 353 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: I've heard of recently. They disappeared other places. People ran 354 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 3: away and their homes were destroyed, their animals were taken. 355 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 3: People come back and their cars get torched. They get 356 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 3: arrested on no charges and held for longer than ever 357 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 3: and in many cases or torture to death. I have 358 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 3: a friend and comrade that I organized up a little 359 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 3: bit who was in Janine at the start, right after 360 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 3: October seventh, and she witnessed truly horrific you know, targeted 361 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 3: killings by drone strikes and other things, and basically fled 362 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 3: south so she would be okay and physically. So that's 363 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 3: some of what has happened. Most of the villages that 364 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 3: historically have had the like nonviolent weekly protests, which a 365 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,239 Speaker 3: lot of people who in the past and volunteered like 366 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: as you know, internationals, we'll have experience with and like 367 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 3: there's a lot of the popular images of like youth 368 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 3: in Kafias during stones or at some of those sites. 369 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 3: Since October seventh, almost all of the villages stopped as 370 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 3: far as I know, because it was too dangerous. When 371 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 3: I arrived, I was told all of the villages had stopped. 372 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 3: But then we found out part way that there was 373 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 3: a village that was having protests kofor Katum on the 374 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 3: northern half of the West Make and it turns out 375 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 3: when I went there, they'd never stopped. They protested each week. 376 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: They did scale back what their goals were because whereas 377 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 3: in the past they had been many of them had 378 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 3: been shot with lve ammunition like twenty two caliber rifles. 379 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 3: Since the seventh it basically became all land ammunition. And 380 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 3: only by the grace of God or luck were none 381 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 3: of them murtyred in that time because the soldiers were 382 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 3: not shooting at ankles as is the conventional guidance. I 383 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 3: saw video of them shooting into buildings, into homes, shooting 384 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 3: at head height, things like that, and like the week 385 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 3: before I went, but guy was shot in the face 386 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 3: and he only survived because it deflected down through his 387 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 3: Johns diadive into his skull. So they've experienced a lot 388 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 3: of severe oppression there. There's been hundreds killed in the 389 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 3: West Bank just since October seventh. There is active fighting 390 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 3: in parts of the north of like kind of Jinine 391 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 3: and I think until Karen and some other places between 392 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 3: some armed resistance and Surli soldiers. But it's definitely not 393 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 3: at the same scale as in Laza, and there aren't 394 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 3: like active bombs falling on people. But it's you know, 395 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 3: still murderous. It's still driving people out, it's still squeezing 396 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 3: people to they either lash out or leave. 397 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it honestly sounds like just a repeat 398 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 2: in some way of the Nekaba, you know, like that's 399 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: just what happened. It is a little maybe a little slower, like. 400 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 4: You said, like a slower genocide, right, Yeah, it never 401 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 4: really stopped. It's been a slow genoside for like seventy 402 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 4: six years. In addition to ongoing colonization, the economic conditions 403 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 4: in the West Bank make life hard for people there. 404 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 4: But this does not stop people in the West Bank 405 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 4: from being in solidarity with the people of Ze. 406 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: When I was in the West Bank. I will also 407 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 3: say like, and I've shared this with many people here 408 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 3: on Gaza, like I would be in a tiny one 409 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: bedroom house who are very poor. Like people's incomes disappeared 410 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: after the Seventh That's another thing. Like a lot of 411 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 3: people made their money by traveling to cities to work, 412 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 3: by working at settlements, things like that. After the Seventh 413 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 3: roads were shut down, people couldn't move. Palestinian workers were 414 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 3: not allowed in settlements, not allowed to cross into forty eight. 415 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: So everybody's struggling. But like people are spending twenty four 416 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 3: to seven with like alder Zeerra or like other Palestinia 417 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 3: or Palestinian coverage of what's happening in Gaza, Like people 418 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 3: are right there when Ramadan started. I was there during 419 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 3: the mom of the Ramadan, Like people were like, I'm 420 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 3: so looking forward to feeling hunger along with Gaza, and 421 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 3: like that was another aspect of hearing from the first 422 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 3: Gazins crossing into Gaza, like saying like, oh, it's so 423 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 3: hard over there, We're with them. Like I think there's 424 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: a lot of attempts from the Israelis, from liberal Zionists 425 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 3: in the US, from the state and everything to be 426 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: like good Palestinian, bad Palestinian, and like all the Palestinians are, 427 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 3: you know, like they might not all agree politically, like 428 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 3: there's many different positions on everything, just as there are 429 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 3: many positions and everything in every community. There's a lot 430 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 3: of empathy between them, and that was another reason I 431 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 3: was really excited to come from the West Bank and 432 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 3: bring like some olive oil and other gifts on behalf 433 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 3: of the community, because people need to know how much 434 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 3: they're loved and thought of. On the other side, I 435 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 3: find it's sad and beautiful how united of the people 436 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 3: are the Palestinians across the tremendous sistance of and also 437 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 3: incredibly short distance of apartheid and occupation. That they can't 438 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: see each other or visit each other, but they feel 439 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 3: for each other and are with each other in their 440 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 3: hearts and just kind of wrects me a little bit. 441 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 3: It's also nice to be near the sea. I haven't 442 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 3: yet seen the sea, but my friend was here very 443 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 3: close and could see it from their house. I just 444 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 3: feel being close to the sea and like see the sunsets, 445 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 3: and that's so incredibly beautiful and sad too, because most 446 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 3: Palestinians don't get to see the sea. 447 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: And that's going to be the end of part one. 448 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 2: In part two, Ava tells us what the process was 449 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: like traveling from the West Bank until Lenesday, and she 450 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 2: details her experience being on the ground to the Daffa. 451 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 2: So please tune in to tomorrow's episode to hear more 452 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 2: from Ava. 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