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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, I'm strong and and he

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard that they were that someone started a flying

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<v Speaker 3>a plane with a banner that said, uh, this is

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<v Speaker 3>Trump Country.

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<v Speaker 2>It sure don't look like it today. That's a funny

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<v Speaker 2>think this is Trump country. I think this is our country.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a sweetheart? Let's hold an election and find out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, is that lefty?

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<v Speaker 4>Jeez?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that AOC?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that didn't sound like getting all earthy. So Bernard

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<v Speaker 5>Sanders and AOC. They showed up in fulsome California. They're

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<v Speaker 5>doing what Trump did to great effect when he was

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<v Speaker 5>running for president. He'd go to you know, lefty places,

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<v Speaker 5>someplace in New York or wherever, college town, someplace whereas

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<v Speaker 5>all lefties and draw you know, his people, and got

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of attention and everything like that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>it's it's not complicated. We've been saying this for years.

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<v Speaker 5>So we've been on in San Francisco for twenty two

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<v Speaker 5>years now, and people would always say, how do people

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<v Speaker 5>accept you in San Francisco. Well, it's not difficult. I

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<v Speaker 5>mean because you've created enthusiasm. Because places aren't all one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred percent one direction or the other. They tend to

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<v Speaker 5>be even if a place is overwhelmingly one direction politics

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<v Speaker 5>or not, it's like seventy thirty. And if you I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>and that's like really overwhelming, it might be seventy thirty.

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<v Speaker 5>And if you got seven million people, for instance, I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>you have a lot of people, a lot of people that.

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<v Speaker 2>Are on the other side.

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<v Speaker 1>As I always say, if it's fifty five forty five,

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<v Speaker 1>you will never win an election. If you're in the

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<v Speaker 1>forty five percent, you are unrepresented, your voices are unheard,

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<v Speaker 1>you're cowed into silence in really blue places like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the blue parts of California. And so yeah, if a

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<v Speaker 1>Trump comes to town, if an Armstrong you GETTI are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to represent your point of view at least, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some extent.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, as strategies go, it's pretty clever. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>that it's being executed by AOC and Bernie goodness sakes,

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<v Speaker 1>if Josh Shapiro was doing this, I'd be thinking, oh boy,

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<v Speaker 1>this is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Bernie gets And I don't know how much of that

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<v Speaker 2>is AOC.

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<v Speaker 5>What there was somebody, some political person wrote a thing

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<v Speaker 5>in the New York Post that said AOC needs to

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<v Speaker 5>be taken seriously as a presidential candidate. And I don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>but I don't know how many people are there for

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<v Speaker 5>her because Bernie has drawn those kind of enthusiastic crowds.

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<v Speaker 5>The only people I've ever seen in my life that

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<v Speaker 5>have drawn those kind of crowds are Trump, Obama and Bernie.

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<v Speaker 2>That level of enthusiasm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, And it's funny the lineup, the concert lineup

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<v Speaker 1>of Bernie and AOC.

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<v Speaker 2>It works.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like when John Mayer joined The Grateful Dead. At first,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like wait what but no, No, they're musically similar

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<v Speaker 1>enough a You and Seve and Bernie. Anyway, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear a little more of what they said to

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<v Speaker 1>the good people of Folesome, California, which, if you don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>fulsome in the surrounding areas, it's a good, solid conservative area.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, Michael, you miss the Trump.

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<v Speaker 6>If we don't want sha Oligauking.

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<v Speaker 4>Misster Trump, too many men and women have fought and

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<v Speaker 4>died to defend democracy. You're not going to take us

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<v Speaker 4>into authoritarianism.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, mister musk.

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<v Speaker 7>We're going to create an economy that works.

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<v Speaker 2>Us, not just for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Putting aside the lovely populist rhetoric, the idea that we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to create an economy is heresy to me anyway. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not never creating anything in your life, you nutbag socialist.

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<v Speaker 2>Crowds digging it roll on, Michael.

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin Kylie knows that this is not what you want.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows that it is deeply unpopular. He knows that

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<v Speaker 2>it hurts the people of fulsome. But he is not

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<v Speaker 2>there to serve working families.

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<v Speaker 3>He is there to serve himself and the billionaire class

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<v Speaker 3>that put him there.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Kyley, the very smart, youngish conservative congressperson from that district.

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<v Speaker 1>If I could buy stocking politicians, I'd buy.

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<v Speaker 2>It in Kevin. I think he's really really sharp.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they call him out repeatedly, Barney joining the slugfest.

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<v Speaker 7>But missus Kylie, I think some.

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<v Speaker 4>Of your constituents have a message for you.

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<v Speaker 7>Wow, don't vote to give tax breaks to billion ass

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<v Speaker 7>and cut programs that the working class of this country

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<v Speaker 7>desperately needs.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's an enthusiastic crowd.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what percentage of people in America buy

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<v Speaker 5>into that. That's a bunch of horsees. Oh, social mad nonsense,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Popular on the whole.

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<v Speaker 5>The reason you're not making as much money as you

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<v Speaker 5>feel like you should be is because the billionaires is

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<v Speaker 5>just as nonsensical as anything could be.

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<v Speaker 1>Or, as we've gone over several times this week, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that they're not paying the rich or not paying

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<v Speaker 1>their fair shares one percent of Americans pay is what

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<v Speaker 1>forty six percent of all income tax.

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<v Speaker 5>So do we have the montage that we played last week?

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<v Speaker 5>We have the montage Bernie. I'll tell you what years

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<v Speaker 5>these are as it goes, here we go. This is

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<v Speaker 5>Bernie claiming oligarchy. For the last thirty two years.

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<v Speaker 8>This great country of ours is moving very rapidly in

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<v Speaker 8>the direction of oligaky. The United States today is increasingly

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<v Speaker 8>becoming an oligacky moving todd in oligaky. We are moving

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<v Speaker 8>in the direct thousand. We will move even more rapidly

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<v Speaker 8>the direction of an oligacky.

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<v Speaker 2>This great twenty fourteen is evolving into an oligatic. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>be damned, so twenty fifteen here we go. It is

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<v Speaker 2>called oligaky, and that.

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<v Speaker 8>Is the system, the rapidly moving todd very rapidly country,

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<v Speaker 8>rapidly into the direction of oligoy.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight handful of billion a s a'll move this h

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<v Speaker 2>a planet? Did nobody saw it coming?

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<v Speaker 6>And oligarchy siding thought over the bed, which is pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 6>And that is that under Donald Trump, this country is

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<v Speaker 6>hurtling rapidly toward oligon.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh geez, why didn't somebody tell me? So?

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<v Speaker 1>It was just fairly recently it was the entire planet

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<v Speaker 1>is moving toward oligarchy. Maybe you realize that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people aren't applaud in his greatest hit anymore, so we

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<v Speaker 1>had to, you know, change the rift.

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<v Speaker 5>So as early as ninety three and as recently as

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<v Speaker 5>what two days ago in fullsome California, he's talking about

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<v Speaker 5>how we become an.

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<v Speaker 2>Oligarchy, and Jack I analyzed those clips.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say there were hints of gurgliness in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five, but his gurgliness really became solidified in twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 5>So he really became the Flemish master in the round

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, it sounds like he's gurgling with his own hipocras. Jeez,

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<v Speaker 1>gurgle I don't remember what I used to do my

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie Sanders imitation.

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<v Speaker 2>That was years ago, wasn't it when he was running

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<v Speaker 2>against Hillery Master answer.

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<v Speaker 5>One more, one more comment on this, because I I've

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<v Speaker 5>got to discipline myself to not talk about twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 5>eight presidential elections.

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<v Speaker 2>Will help you discipline.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, Bernie should have gotten the nomination a

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<v Speaker 5>couple of times. It was taken from him by the

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<v Speaker 5>Democratic Party. I mean, if they were going to follow

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<v Speaker 5>the rules, he would have gotten the nomination twice. And

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<v Speaker 5>Elizabeth Warren's popular, AOC's popular. I feel like the Democratic

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<v Speaker 5>I would love this, of course. I think feel like

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<v Speaker 5>the Democratic Party's got to go through one of these people,

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<v Speaker 5>actually nominate them, lose forty seven states to.

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<v Speaker 2>Put that to rest, so they all like go to

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<v Speaker 2>the direction.

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<v Speaker 5>James Carville keeps saying, we got to become more moderate Democrats.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what we are, that's what the party that can win.

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<v Speaker 5>But I feel like they gotta do it. They got

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<v Speaker 5>to give it a full try once, like actually have

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<v Speaker 5>the candidate. So go ahead and run AOC or Bernie,

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<v Speaker 5>get it out of your system. Lose almost the entire country.

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<v Speaker 5>Good because you will and then you'll be done with it.

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<v Speaker 5>You know who I nominate for that pinata? Gavin Newsom.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he's the progressive just I don't think he's

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<v Speaker 5>gonna run on that stuff. I don't think he's gonna

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<v Speaker 5>run on that stuff. He's gonna try not to, but

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<v Speaker 5>he can't. It's it's like the stench after you leave

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<v Speaker 5>a bar or smoke. He's never hiboted. He'll never he

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<v Speaker 5>won't run that stuff out and proud like AOC and Bernie,

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<v Speaker 5>and he'll never have crowds like that. Ever, they'll never

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<v Speaker 5>be cheering for Gavin Newsom like that. I don't think

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<v Speaker 5>i'd be sure there.

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<v Speaker 2>And now we're really slicing political analysis.

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<v Speaker 1>Then does it matter if he's out and proud about it, Oiley,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's his entire record and everybody knows he's running

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<v Speaker 1>on that, even if he denies it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so.

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<v Speaker 5>The people that get these giant crowds like AOC and

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<v Speaker 5>Bernie and Elizabeth Warren, they just flat outstate their socialism

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<v Speaker 5>and the crowd goes nut. Yeah, I see, just because

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<v Speaker 5>there's enough people that believe that, I think they.

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<v Speaker 2>Just need to. It'd be good for the whole country.

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<v Speaker 5>Try it once realize that there's only like ten percent

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<v Speaker 5>of the country that agrees with you, even though you

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<v Speaker 5>can pack a football stadium right, then be done with it.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's all move on with our lives and realize there

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<v Speaker 5>earn enough people that want to be socialists, you nut jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>In spite of you educating the children to believe that that's,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the right thing to do for generations.

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<v Speaker 2>That troubles me as you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, big updates from Israel in their battle against Islamist

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<v Speaker 1>lunatics coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh cool.

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<v Speaker 5>There's another thing I wanted to get to. I want

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<v Speaker 5>to tease this. I really want to tease this. Give

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<v Speaker 5>me one second. No one's holding you back. By God

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<v Speaker 5>in this country, you have the right to say what

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<v Speaker 5>you like. Teen boys are going to extreme lengths to

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<v Speaker 5>be skinny, like Timothy Shallowy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a thing that's caught.

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<v Speaker 5>On noodle boys and I have seen it, I think,

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<v Speaker 5>and for real, I don't think this is made up.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope sheesin Ping isn't listening that other things all

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<v Speaker 2>the ways day here.

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<v Speaker 9>Farmtro Andy organizers now say the event, known as Fire

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<v Speaker 9>Festival Too, has been postponed indefinitely. The event had been

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<v Speaker 9>scheduled to take place in Mexico at the end of May,

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<v Speaker 9>just six weeks from now. Ticket Holders have been told

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<v Speaker 9>their money will be refunded. Organizer Billy McFarlane was convicted

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<v Speaker 9>of wire fraud when the original Fire Festival failed in

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<v Speaker 9>twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm so confused by this story. So he pulled off

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<v Speaker 5>a fraud.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? Bad failed to pull it off? Yeah, well with.

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<v Speaker 5>A fake with a concert that never happened, and got

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<v Speaker 5>a bunch of money. And then he does it again,

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<v Speaker 5>and you buy tickets again, and then he cancels it again.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said when Katie brought us the news that

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<v Speaker 1>he had announced a new fire festival, Dude, you got

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<v Speaker 1>to change up the scammel little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't run the same scam. You were in the news.

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<v Speaker 2>Were people buying tickets? Apparently they were, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>People were buying This thing was supposed to start on

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<v Speaker 10>May thirtieth, and people bought tickets. And a couple of

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<v Speaker 10>weeks ago there was a news report that I forget

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<v Speaker 10>what island they were going to throw it on, but

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<v Speaker 10>the government of that island said, we have heard nothing

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<v Speaker 10>about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow. So it was a.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, And so now they're saying that they're just trying

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<v Speaker 10>to find a new location and they'll be re announcing

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<v Speaker 10>the host destination soon.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, got a new location that will have our

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<v Speaker 1>completely fictional festival that will not happen.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't tell if I'm like, think he's an idiot,

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<v Speaker 5>or if I think he realizes how stupid some people are.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do exactly the same thing I did

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<v Speaker 2>last time.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to talk about a concert that I made

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<v Speaker 5>no effort to actually pull off and have people sent

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<v Speaker 5>me money this.

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<v Speaker 10>We have issued you a refund once the new date

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<v Speaker 10>is announced. At that time, you can repurchase your tickets

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<v Speaker 10>if available.

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<v Speaker 1>If you do that, God to help you. Yeah wow, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no kidding, We're done trying. You are a fool. That

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<v Speaker 1>is your money. You will soon be part. I have

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<v Speaker 1>this on good authority.

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<v Speaker 5>So I came across this, and I am not gonna

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<v Speaker 5>people I know. I'll just say that people I know

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<v Speaker 5>seem to be into this. Teen boys are going to

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<v Speaker 5>extreme links to be skinny like Timothy's shallow may.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>I mentioned a couple of weeks ago Timmothy Chalomey when

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<v Speaker 5>the oscars were hot, and he's in the Bob Dylan

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<v Speaker 5>movie and he was hosted Saturday Night Live. He's very

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<v Speaker 5>skinny guy, and that he was being held up as

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<v Speaker 5>some sort of sex symbol by a certain kind of woman.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know women who I don't think who who

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<v Speaker 5>dig noodle boys. Adolescent girls probably mostly right. Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 5>more popular than I because I know some high schoolers

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<v Speaker 5>who are who are noodle boys. I was a noodle boy,

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<v Speaker 5>by the way, not on purpose. In high school. I

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<v Speaker 5>was as skinny as Timothy shallow May. It was not

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<v Speaker 5>popular at that time that look. But apparently it is

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<v Speaker 5>more a pot roast boy myself baked potato boy. But

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<v Speaker 5>noodle boy seems to be popular now. And I know

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<v Speaker 5>high schoolers that you can't get them to eat a

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<v Speaker 5>dessert or anything fattening because it's so important to stay

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<v Speaker 5>super skinny. And that's one of the things that talks

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<v Speaker 5>about here. Red flags for this one family were eighth

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<v Speaker 5>grader would turn down ice cream favorite desserts. That's not

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<v Speaker 5>normal thing high school boys do is turned down desserts

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<v Speaker 5>and stuff like that. But it's become very popular to

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<v Speaker 5>try to stay you're like really skinny.

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<v Speaker 2>Arms is the thing. I guess I don't know, oh, fellas,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because they're it's because.

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<v Speaker 5>According to this article, and I hope this isn't true,

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<v Speaker 5>but it might be women like it because they're so

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<v Speaker 5>non threatening.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's why it's like, you know, in the seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>it was your Sean Cassidy types. It was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>completely nonsense, threatening point boyish men. You're kind of easing

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<v Speaker 1>into the idea of sexuality.

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<v Speaker 5>I think you're right. That has been a thing. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>so it's not brand it's not brand new, yes, Katie.

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<v Speaker 10>Someone needs to let these little guys know that their

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<v Speaker 10>metabolism will never be like it is right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And the desserts.

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<v Speaker 10>And you're gonna look at that ice cream and gain

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<v Speaker 10>three pounds, so just eat it now, beat you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so alert listener Fred sent this long. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I really want to get into the story toxic beauty,

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<v Speaker 1>the rise of looks maxing influencers among young men. It's

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<v Speaker 1>guys doing just bizarro stupid stuff to try to have

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<v Speaker 1>the chiseled features and symmetrical face that they desire.

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<v Speaker 2>It's odd.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one more example of why the Internet ought to

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<v Speaker 1>be unplugged. But this song is from nineteen twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>dig the sounds of the six jumping jacks, both.

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<v Speaker 5>Maculine women and feminine men.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So this has always been a thing to some extent,

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<v Speaker 1>more or less, I remember the Androgyna's rock stars of

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies and eighties.

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<v Speaker 5>It's maybe it's just always been a thing. Every generation

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<v Speaker 5>thinks young men today are too feminine.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be darned Manold Armstrong and Geeddy.

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<v Speaker 11>At Chicago last night, former President Biden gave his first

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<v Speaker 11>speech since leaving office. As a result, millions of Americans

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<v Speaker 11>now believe in life after death. He was speaking to

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<v Speaker 11>a group of advocates for the disabled, who were surprised

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<v Speaker 11>to learn the keynote speaker was one of their clients.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Wow, So.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been asserting for a very long time now,

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<v Speaker 1>at least a few months. Then, in virtually all of

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<v Speaker 1>human history, there has never been a case where one

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<v Speaker 1>country launched an unprovoked attack, or one people launched an

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<v Speaker 1>unprovoked attack on a neighbor and lost that. They did

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<v Speaker 1>not lose their land or their sovereignty or both. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just always what happens. It has to be what happens. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about hamas slash well, Islamic Islamists, Islamic supremacists,

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<v Speaker 1>hamas has law, et cetera, under the tutelage of Iran

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<v Speaker 1>trying to take out Israel in the October seventh atrocities.

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<v Speaker 2>So a handful of stories.

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<v Speaker 1>And these were not chosen to back up my assertion

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<v Speaker 1>that that's the way this is moving. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's an inescapable conclusion that Israel has decided

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<v Speaker 1>no two state, no living side by side. That's over, Goodbye,

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<v Speaker 1>We're done. Handful of headlines Lebanon's government arrests militants, asserting

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<v Speaker 1>its authority. Lebanon, which has been in the weird position,

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<v Speaker 1>picture this if you can, one of their major political

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<v Speaker 1>parties has a powerful army supported by a foreign country.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, if you know the Green Party had one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand men under arms being paid for by I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, Venezuela. That's been the situation in Lebanon with Hesbola.

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<v Speaker 1>But because of the serious damage done to Hesbela by Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>with a little bit of help from their big buddy

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States, all of a sudden, Lebanon is

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<v Speaker 1>reasserting its authority over its own nameation and making progress anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>who could forget the delightful Pager attack for instance. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so more directly to Israel, this is you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>funny we have I think, like one listener who's militantly

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<v Speaker 1>pro Palestinian and sent an email yesterday completely denying the

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<v Speaker 1>notion that Hamas positions fighters among civilians schools and hospitals

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<v Speaker 1>and that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I heard a report on NPR, as I do

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<v Speaker 5>practically every day, about some attack Israel had and how

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<v Speaker 5>many innocent Palestinians were killed, as.

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<v Speaker 2>I said last morning to Hamas.

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<v Speaker 5>According to Homos, I've yet to hear one negative story

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<v Speaker 5>about Hamas on NPR ever, one ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, well, they are so captured by the whole settler, colonialist,

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<v Speaker 1>victim of presser framework of the world. They can't see

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<v Speaker 1>anything but that. And you know, for the millionth time,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm really concerned about with our nation's education system.

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<v Speaker 1>We're teaching all our kids to view the world that way,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's twisted and just it's wrong. But anyway, the

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<v Speaker 1>head of nursing at Gaza's NASA Hospital came out the

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<v Speaker 1>other day and publicly urged Palestinian Islamic Jihad and other

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<v Speaker 1>groups to quit using the medical facility as a military center, base,

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<v Speaker 1>meeting place, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>For the obvious reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel's bringing down the bombs on your fighters because your

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<v Speaker 1>fighters are in the hospital and it's screwing up our hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>Well for that outrage, the uh where is this?

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinian Islamic Jihad sent him a little note. He found

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<v Speaker 1>a type message waiting in his office, a blunt warning

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<v Speaker 1>that read, dear one, you've crossed the line. Be careful.

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<v Speaker 1>This is your first warning. Soccer the gentleman involved. The

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<v Speaker 1>nursing director described the threat as brutal, adding a call

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<v Speaker 1>on you in the name of God not to forgive them.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the brave, brave fighters that NPR is praising

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. You know, there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people in Gaza in the West Bank who sympathize a

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<v Speaker 1>great deal with the Islamic supremacists.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a pretty good handful that don't.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we saw it on October seventh when they are

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<v Speaker 5>driving through the streets with captured nineteen year old girls

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<v Speaker 5>they'd raped and beaten and some of them were shot,

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<v Speaker 5>and they're just cheering like crazy and beating them on

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<v Speaker 5>the head with sticks as they drove by. It your

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<v Speaker 5>average a lot of your average Palestinians on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Street, right, Yeah, worth remembering. But for those who are

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrating against Tamas, for instance, or this head of nursing

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<v Speaker 1>who said get the hell out of the hospital, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>those are courageous folks. One more headline, a depleted hamasis

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<v Speaker 1>so low on cash it can't pay its fighters. Israel's

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<v Speaker 1>targeted killings. AID cuts have disrupted the militant group's source

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<v Speaker 1>of cash and ability to distribute it in Gaza. And

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<v Speaker 1>there are a couple of details of the story that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, NPR is a joke, but it's funny. Your

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<v Speaker 1>point just keeps coming up as they go through this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel last month cut off supplies of humanitarian goods to

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<v Speaker 1>the enclave, some of which Amas had been seizing and

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<v Speaker 1>selling to raise funds, according to Arab sources, Israeli sources,

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<v Speaker 1>and Western sources. Of course, our job listener would deny that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure too. It doesn't matter. It's just interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>me how some people can claim to things that are

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<v Speaker 1>clearly untrue. It's renewed, defensive, is targeted and killed HAMAS

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<v Speaker 1>officials who played important roles in distributing cash to cadres

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<v Speaker 1>and send others into hiding. In recent weeks, the Israeli

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.600
<v Speaker 1>militaries said have killed a money changer who was key

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<v Speaker 1>to what they call terrorist financing for HAMAS, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as a number of top political off officials in rapid succession.

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<v Speaker 1>The result for Hamas has been a debilitating squeeze.

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<v Speaker 2>They've just made it so.

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<v Speaker 1>Difficult logistically to pay the fighters that they can't and

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<v Speaker 1>so your top guys are getting half wages, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get the wages to the front line guys

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<v Speaker 1>who are fighting and dying. But it's very difficult. And finally,

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<v Speaker 1>this is really the head story, but I saved it

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<v Speaker 1>for last. Israel has taken over about a third of

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<v Speaker 1>the Gaza Strip and has positioned itself in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that makes clear their staying. No country has launched an

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<v Speaker 1>unprovoked attack against its neighbor and lost, and not lost

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<v Speaker 1>its land or its sovereignty or both.

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<v Speaker 2>Seems to me increasingly clear. Israel's going to own it all.

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<v Speaker 5>And where the Palestinians going somewhere or they can stay

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<v Speaker 5>and follow the rules as Israel has always made it

0:23:56.800 --> 0:24:01.000
<v Speaker 5>clear Israel has Muslim, Palestinian, Arab whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 5>call them, citizens, lots of them.

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<v Speaker 2>They're represented in their government. Just follow the rules.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't be an Islamic lunatic trying to wipe us off

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<v Speaker 1>the map.

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<v Speaker 5>It's gonna be rough, though, It's gonna be all kinds

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<v Speaker 5>of suicide bombers and.

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<v Speaker 2>Guerrilla warfare for the rest of our lives. Correct, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which has been all of our lives? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the fantasy of the two state solution, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>fool me five times, Shame on me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Israel's point of view right now, most of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you'll see a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of coverage of the left wing in Israel, or the

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<v Speaker 1>poor families desperate to get their family members back who

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<v Speaker 1>are being held brutally as hostages. I get them saying, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to have peace. Now, we've got to get

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<v Speaker 1>the hostages back.

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<v Speaker 2>I get that. I sympathize. It's not gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 5>That guy that tried to kill Governor Shapiro in Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 5>and burn down the governor's mansion, his cause was the Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 2>It turns out a nine to one one call.

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<v Speaker 5>He he actually called in after he set the fire,

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<v Speaker 5>and he was all upset about Shapiros being.

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<v Speaker 2>On the side of Israel. So that's what the issue

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<v Speaker 2>was in his crazy mind.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's a fairly direct link between radical left

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<v Speaker 1>rhetoric and a violent attack. I mean, granit, I think

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's real agenda was my dog is talking to me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 5>So I listened to you mentioned settler colonialism, which I

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<v Speaker 5>just kind of had a basic view of until I

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<v Speaker 5>listened to a long podcast yesterday. Jonah Goldberg at The

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<v Speaker 5>Dispatch had a guy on who's written a book about it, short,

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<v Speaker 5>a short book just to try to inform people about

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<v Speaker 5>the whole settler colonialism thing. And it is something we

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<v Speaker 5>should all be aware of because it's a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>what your college kids are learning, and its nutjob stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>It's where that comes from, the whole thing where you

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<v Speaker 5>walk into a room and say, before we start the meeting,

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<v Speaker 5>I'd just like to say, this building was built on

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<v Speaker 5>the land owned by the Chippewa Indians.

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<v Speaker 2>All that's stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>It comes from the whole center colonialism thing, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>it's it's a degree worse than the whole anti racist thing.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, the whole anti racist thing was set up

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<v Speaker 5>to where you just couldn't win. There's no winning that game, right,

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<v Speaker 5>it's trap. If you say you're a racist, cool, now

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<v Speaker 5>we control you. If you say you're not a racist, ah,

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<v Speaker 5>that's proof you're even a worse racist.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just control you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And so the settler colonial thing is unless you're the

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<v Speaker 5>indigenous people. And I still don't understand how you decide

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<v Speaker 5>what year you get to choose for the indigenous people.

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<v Speaker 5>But because you know, every every piece of land on

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<v Speaker 5>Earth has changed hands a gazillion times, so who do

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<v Speaker 5>you choose as the originals? But anyway, in the United

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<v Speaker 5>States it's easier than it would be in Europe, for instance.

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<v Speaker 5>So unless you're a Native American, you are part of

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<v Speaker 5>the whole settler colonial thing, and you are benefiting from that,

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<v Speaker 5>so we get to do whatever we want. You're you're

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<v Speaker 5>bad from the from the from the from the get go,

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<v Speaker 5>you're benefit fitting from settler colonialism. And so everything should

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<v Speaker 5>be turned upside down and redistributed or text or whatever

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<v Speaker 5>it is to try to get the outcome we believe

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<v Speaker 5>we should get.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, to tear it down and rebuild it as a

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<v Speaker 2>Marxist utopia. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And one of the reasons, and the most interesting thing

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<v Speaker 5>I thought about this with the book was the guy said,

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<v Speaker 5>that's why there's so much focus on Israel because it's

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<v Speaker 5>a new enough country, it's a small enough country you

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<v Speaker 5>could actually like, even though it's crazy, accomplish your goals.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't with the United States.

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<v Speaker 5>It's too big, complicated, people coming too many times over years,

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<v Speaker 5>too long ago. Obviously, in Europe it doesn't work because

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<v Speaker 5>you'd have to go back a thousand years to figure

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<v Speaker 5>out who's But in Israel you can actually pull it

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<v Speaker 5>off kind of. So that's why they put so much

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<v Speaker 5>focus on the whole settler colonialism thing there. And that's

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<v Speaker 5>all the people that are the queers for Palestine or whatever,

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<v Speaker 5>and you wonder, what the hell are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the whole settler colonial things that's their focus.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, And that's you know, we've been saying this

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<v Speaker 1>for years and years before this sort of before the

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<v Speaker 1>terminology was known. It was some of your Larraza, your

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<v Speaker 1>Hispanic activists, were saying, we didn't cross the border. The

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<v Speaker 1>border crossed us. This is actually our land. And we've

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<v Speaker 1>been making the point for a very long time. That okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So you're like the descendants of the Spanish

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<v Speaker 1>conquista doors in what sense? Or you the one righteous owners?

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you date it to? Nineteen twenty, eighteen fifty,

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen forty three, whatever. But the arbitrariness of it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the whole anti racism thing, that's not the Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's arbitrary, Yes it's stupid, Yes it's illogical, But the

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<v Speaker 1>point is you're bad and we can disempower you because

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<v Speaker 1>bad people shouldn't have power, and then we get power

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<v Speaker 1>and we rebuild it as Marxist utopia.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how it all ends.

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<v Speaker 5>It's so clearly doesn't make sense. I'm surprised it doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>get stopped in its tracks. I mean, your example's perfect.

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<v Speaker 5>With Mexico, the Spanish came in early fifteen hundreds. Well

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<v Speaker 5>prior to that, it was Mayans and Aztecs or whoever.

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<v Speaker 5>They got overthrown by the Spanish. So when do you

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<v Speaker 5>when do you start the clock on who this land

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<v Speaker 5>belongs to? But you've decided to go with people who

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<v Speaker 5>speak Spanish, I guess, well, then you point it up.

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<v Speaker 5>You pointed out Europe. Can you imagine trying to establish

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<v Speaker 5>it in Europe. For like the Alsace Lorraine, the part

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<v Speaker 5>of France has traded hands the French, the Vikings, the totals.

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<v Speaker 2>Started about the Visigoths.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean where, Yeah, where the hell would you start? Well,

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<v Speaker 5>even the United States, you go back to Native Americans.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't have to read a hell of a lot

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<v Speaker 5>about Native Americans to know about apaches and chy ends

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<v Speaker 5>and taking different land.

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<v Speaker 2>And you had this junk for a while. So who

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<v Speaker 2>are you going to give it to? It's horrifically violent wars. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's such.

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<v Speaker 5>A nutjob ideology, but a lot of college kids believe

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<v Speaker 5>in it. Well, yeah, you can convince children of about anything,

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<v Speaker 5>and then they convinced them that this is righteous, even

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<v Speaker 5>though it's idiotic. Apparently, any comment on any of that

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<v Speaker 5>stuff are text line four one five two nine five kftc.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 9>A chaotic scene at a shopping mall in West Hartford, Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 9>A bear spotted charger through the parking lot at a

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<v Speaker 9>full sprint, some shoppers rushing inside, a wildlife officer chasing

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<v Speaker 9>the bear into the nearby woods. They believe the bear

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<v Speaker 9>came out of hibernation and was looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>Food and some bargains there at the mall. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>that video. A, it's a good sized bear. B it

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<v Speaker 1>is charging hard. I mean you would, you would fill

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<v Speaker 1>your pants right.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just I don't know what I think of these

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<v Speaker 5>news stories that they put in, Like toward the end

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<v Speaker 5>of the evening newscasts, I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the only reason I watched these days?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I going to watch that pinhead David Muir's analysis

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<v Speaker 1>of the politics of the day.

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<v Speaker 5>He's one of Time's most most influential people. What's time, Grandpa?

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<v Speaker 5>But do we get anything out of a story like

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<v Speaker 5>a bear got loose and ran through them all? I

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<v Speaker 5>mean those kinds of stories and you could. I am

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<v Speaker 5>staunchly in favor of it. I just feel I had

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<v Speaker 5>a video of a giant squid.

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<v Speaker 2>The other day. I enjoyed that.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like I would just rather the news was

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<v Speaker 5>ten minutes shorter and it would be over. I'll go

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<v Speaker 5>on with my wife, Why are you anti bear video?

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<v Speaker 2>He was exciting?

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, another mild video, mildly entertaining.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be darned. I I just I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 10>I feel like the news does that because they just

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<v Speaker 10>beat the crap out of you with everything that's actually

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<v Speaker 10>going on in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>So they give you a little, a little charging bear.

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<v Speaker 2>You sound like Bernie right now. We can't have these stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe why so many charging paths.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe I've lost the capacity for joy. Maybe that's happened.

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<v Speaker 5>I could be you hate to have that happen. But

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<v Speaker 5>so we've talked a lot about AI in particular, quoting

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<v Speaker 5>and number of people who say it's going to be

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<v Speaker 5>as big to mankind as fire. That's the guy who

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<v Speaker 5>runs Google, Others who said it's going to be much

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<v Speaker 5>bigger impact on humanity than the Internet. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 5>you're old enough to remember pre Internet, holy crap. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>so what does that mean? But nobody exactly knows how

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<v Speaker 5>it's going to play out. In this article in the

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<v Speaker 5>Washington Post today, I thought was really really interesting one

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<v Speaker 5>of the problems. And they don't know how they can

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<v Speaker 5>fix us, and I don't think you can. The language

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<v Speaker 5>learning models, the LMS, they what they do is they

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<v Speaker 5>scour the Internet for information, well, the Russians in particular,

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<v Speaker 5>and soon everyone have figured out, well, we'll just put

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<v Speaker 5>a whole bunch of wrong information on the Internet, and

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<v Speaker 5>the lllms. When they're sucking up all the information, they'll

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<v Speaker 5>get all the stuff that's wrong that we want to

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<v Speaker 5>put out there, and the AI can't tell the difference

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<v Speaker 5>between apparently a New York Times article or a you know,

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<v Speaker 5>New York Daily News article, and that's an actual newspaper.

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<v Speaker 5>I need to make up a newspaper, but make up

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<v Speaker 5>a newspaper that's an article that says positive stuff about Russia,

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<v Speaker 5>and AI can't tell the difference.

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<v Speaker 2>They just suck it all in.

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<v Speaker 5>Earlier this year, when researchers asked ten leading chatbots about

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<v Speaker 5>topics targeted by false Russian messaging, such as the claim

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<v Speaker 5>that the United States was making bioweapons in Ukraine, a

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<v Speaker 5>third of the responses repeated those lies because Moscow has

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<v Speaker 5>put them out there and done such a good job,

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<v Speaker 5>and nobody knows how they're going to fix this. Most

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<v Speaker 5>chat bots struggle with disinformation. We have safeguards in place,

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<v Speaker 5>but the problem seems to get worse and worse as

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<v Speaker 5>opposed to better and better, the more language learning models

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<v Speaker 5>learned to use the Internet. This might be an unfixable problem.

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<v Speaker 5>This is so interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine pouring the amount of money and effort

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<v Speaker 1>into AI that's been poured in, and then you run

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<v Speaker 1>into an insurmountable problem like this, although I don't think

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 1>it's necessarily insurmountable. I think you could design some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of algorithm for reliability and have a tiered system of inputs.

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<v Speaker 5>Experts, according to the Washington Posts, say the problem is

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<v Speaker 5>worsening as opposed to getting better. You combine that with

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<v Speaker 5>hallucinations that they don't know where they come from or why,

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<v Speaker 5>or if they can be eliminated. And can will AI

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<v Speaker 5>be as big as some people claim? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I still say yes, but I'm interested to find out

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<v Speaker 1>along with the rest of you.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe only in some areas and not in all areas.

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<v Speaker 5>Like obviously we've seen with art and music what it

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<v Speaker 5>can do, and it's amazing.

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