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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center.

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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, I'm strong and and he

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: I heard that they were that someone started a flying

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Speaker 3: a plane with a banner that said, uh, this is

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Speaker 3: Trump Country.

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Speaker 2: It sure don't look like it today. That's a funny

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Speaker 2: think this is Trump country. I think this is our country.

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Speaker 1: Is that a sweetheart? Let's hold an election and find out,

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Speaker 1: you know, is that lefty?

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Speaker 4: Jeez?

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Speaker 2: Is that AOC?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that didn't sound like getting all earthy. So Bernard

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Speaker 5: Sanders and AOC. They showed up in fulsome California. They're

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Speaker 5: doing what Trump did to great effect when he was

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Speaker 5: running for president. He'd go to you know, lefty places,

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Speaker 5: someplace in New York or wherever, college town, someplace whereas

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Speaker 5: all lefties and draw you know, his people, and got

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Speaker 5: a lot of attention and everything like that. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's it's not complicated. We've been saying this for years.

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Speaker 5: So we've been on in San Francisco for twenty two

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Speaker 5: years now, and people would always say, how do people

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Speaker 5: accept you in San Francisco. Well, it's not difficult. I

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Speaker 5: mean because you've created enthusiasm. Because places aren't all one

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Speaker 5: hundred percent one direction or the other. They tend to

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Speaker 5: be even if a place is overwhelmingly one direction politics

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Speaker 5: or not, it's like seventy thirty. And if you I mean,

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Speaker 5: and that's like really overwhelming, it might be seventy thirty.

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Speaker 5: And if you got seven million people, for instance, I mean,

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Speaker 5: you have a lot of people, a lot of people that.

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Speaker 2: Are on the other side.

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Speaker 1: As I always say, if it's fifty five forty five,

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Speaker 1: you will never win an election. If you're in the

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Speaker 1: forty five percent, you are unrepresented, your voices are unheard,

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Speaker 1: you're cowed into silence in really blue places like you know,

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Speaker 1: the blue parts of California. And so yeah, if a

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Speaker 1: Trump comes to town, if an Armstrong you GETTI are

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Speaker 1: trying to represent your point of view at least, you know,

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Speaker 1: some extent.

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Speaker 2: It's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, as strategies go, it's pretty clever. It's just

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Speaker 1: that it's being executed by AOC and Bernie goodness sakes,

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Speaker 1: if Josh Shapiro was doing this, I'd be thinking, oh boy,

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Speaker 1: this is interesting.

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Speaker 2: Bernie gets And I don't know how much of that

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Speaker 2: is AOC.

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Speaker 5: What there was somebody, some political person wrote a thing

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Speaker 5: in the New York Post that said AOC needs to

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Speaker 5: be taken seriously as a presidential candidate. And I don't know,

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Speaker 5: but I don't know how many people are there for

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Speaker 5: her because Bernie has drawn those kind of enthusiastic crowds.

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Speaker 5: The only people I've ever seen in my life that

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Speaker 5: have drawn those kind of crowds are Trump, Obama and Bernie.

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Speaker 2: That level of enthusiasm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And it's funny the lineup, the concert lineup

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Speaker 1: of Bernie and AOC.

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Speaker 2: It works.

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Speaker 1: It's like when John Mayer joined The Grateful Dead. At first,

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Speaker 1: it's like wait what but no, No, they're musically similar

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Speaker 1: enough a You and Seve and Bernie. Anyway, you want

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Speaker 1: to hear a little more of what they said to

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Speaker 1: the good people of Folesome, California, which, if you don't know,

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Speaker 1: fulsome in the surrounding areas, it's a good, solid conservative area.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Michael, you miss the Trump.

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Speaker 6: If we don't want sha Oligauking.

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Speaker 4: Misster Trump, too many men and women have fought and

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Speaker 4: died to defend democracy. You're not going to take us

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Speaker 4: into authoritarianism.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, mister musk.

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Speaker 7: We're going to create an economy that works.

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Speaker 2: Us, not just for you.

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Speaker 1: Putting aside the lovely populist rhetoric, the idea that we're

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Speaker 1: going to create an economy is heresy to me anyway. No,

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Speaker 1: you're not never creating anything in your life, you nutbag socialist.

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Speaker 2: Crowds digging it roll on, Michael.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Kylie knows that this is not what you want.

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Speaker 2: He knows that it is deeply unpopular. He knows that

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Speaker 2: it hurts the people of fulsome. But he is not

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Speaker 2: there to serve working families.

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Speaker 3: He is there to serve himself and the billionaire class

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Speaker 3: that put him there.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Kyley, the very smart, youngish conservative congressperson from that district.

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Speaker 1: If I could buy stocking politicians, I'd buy.

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Speaker 2: It in Kevin. I think he's really really sharp.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, they call him out repeatedly, Barney joining the slugfest.

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Speaker 7: But missus Kylie, I think some.

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Speaker 4: Of your constituents have a message for you.

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Speaker 7: Wow, don't vote to give tax breaks to billion ass

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Speaker 7: and cut programs that the working class of this country

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Speaker 7: desperately needs.

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Speaker 2: That's that's an enthusiastic crowd.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what percentage of people in America buy

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Speaker 5: into that. That's a bunch of horsees. Oh, social mad nonsense,

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Speaker 5: but it's.

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Speaker 2: Popular on the whole.

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Speaker 5: The reason you're not making as much money as you

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Speaker 5: feel like you should be is because the billionaires is

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Speaker 5: just as nonsensical as anything could be.

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Speaker 1: Or, as we've gone over several times this week, the

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Speaker 1: idea that they're not paying the rich or not paying

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Speaker 1: their fair shares one percent of Americans pay is what

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Speaker 1: forty six percent of all income tax.

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Speaker 5: So do we have the montage that we played last week?

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Speaker 5: We have the montage Bernie. I'll tell you what years

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Speaker 5: these are as it goes, here we go. This is

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Speaker 5: Bernie claiming oligarchy. For the last thirty two years.

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Speaker 8: This great country of ours is moving very rapidly in

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Speaker 8: the direction of oligaky. The United States today is increasingly

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Speaker 8: becoming an oligacky moving todd in oligaky. We are moving

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Speaker 8: in the direct thousand. We will move even more rapidly

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Speaker 8: the direction of an oligacky.

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Speaker 2: This great twenty fourteen is evolving into an oligatic. I'm

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Speaker 2: be damned, so twenty fifteen here we go. It is

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Speaker 2: called oligaky, and that.

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Speaker 8: Is the system, the rapidly moving todd very rapidly country,

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Speaker 8: rapidly into the direction of oligoy.

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Speaker 2: Eight handful of billion a s a'll move this h

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Speaker 2: a planet? Did nobody saw it coming?

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Speaker 6: And oligarchy siding thought over the bed, which is pretty bad.

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Speaker 6: And that is that under Donald Trump, this country is

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Speaker 6: hurtling rapidly toward oligon.

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Speaker 2: Oh geez, why didn't somebody tell me? So?

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Speaker 1: It was just fairly recently it was the entire planet

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Speaker 1: is moving toward oligarchy. Maybe you realize that, you know,

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Speaker 1: people aren't applaud in his greatest hit anymore, so we

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Speaker 1: had to, you know, change the rift.

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Speaker 5: So as early as ninety three and as recently as

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Speaker 5: what two days ago in fullsome California, he's talking about

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Speaker 5: how we become an.

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Speaker 2: Oligarchy, and Jack I analyzed those clips.

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Speaker 1: I would say there were hints of gurgliness in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety five, but his gurgliness really became solidified in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 5: So he really became the Flemish master in the round

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Speaker 5: twenty twelve.

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Speaker 1: You're right, it sounds like he's gurgling with his own hipocras. Jeez,

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Speaker 1: gurgle I don't remember what I used to do my

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders imitation.

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Speaker 2: That was years ago, wasn't it when he was running

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Speaker 2: against Hillery Master answer.

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Speaker 5: One more, one more comment on this, because I I've

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Speaker 5: got to discipline myself to not talk about twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: eight presidential elections.

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Speaker 2: Will help you discipline.

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Speaker 5: But you know, Bernie should have gotten the nomination a

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Speaker 5: couple of times. It was taken from him by the

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Speaker 5: Democratic Party. I mean, if they were going to follow

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Speaker 5: the rules, he would have gotten the nomination twice. And

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Speaker 5: Elizabeth Warren's popular, AOC's popular. I feel like the Democratic

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Speaker 5: I would love this, of course. I think feel like

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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party's got to go through one of these people,

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Speaker 5: actually nominate them, lose forty seven states to.

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Speaker 2: Put that to rest, so they all like go to

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Speaker 2: the direction.

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Speaker 5: James Carville keeps saying, we got to become more moderate Democrats.

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Speaker 5: That's what we are, that's what the party that can win.

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Speaker 5: But I feel like they gotta do it. They got

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Speaker 5: to give it a full try once, like actually have

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Speaker 5: the candidate. So go ahead and run AOC or Bernie,

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Speaker 5: get it out of your system. Lose almost the entire country.

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Speaker 5: Good because you will and then you'll be done with it.

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Speaker 5: You know who I nominate for that pinata? Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 5: I think he's the progressive just I don't think he's

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Speaker 5: gonna run on that stuff. I don't think he's gonna

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Speaker 5: he can't. It's it's like the stench after you leave

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Speaker 5: a bar or smoke. He's never hiboted. He'll never he

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Speaker 5: won't run that stuff out and proud like AOC and Bernie,

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Speaker 5: and he'll never have crowds like that. Ever, they'll never

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Speaker 5: be cheering for Gavin Newsom like that. I don't think

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Speaker 2: And now we're really slicing political analysis.

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Speaker 1: Then does it matter if he's out and proud about it, Oiley,

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Speaker 1: if that's his entire record and everybody knows he's running

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Speaker 1: on that, even if he denies it.

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 5: The people that get these giant crowds like AOC and

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Speaker 5: Bernie and Elizabeth Warren, they just flat outstate their socialism

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Speaker 5: and the crowd goes nut. Yeah, I see, just because

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Speaker 5: there's enough people that believe that, I think they.

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Speaker 2: Just need to. It'd be good for the whole country.

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Speaker 5: Try it once realize that there's only like ten percent

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Speaker 5: of the country that agrees with you, even though you

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Speaker 5: can pack a football stadium right, then be done with it.

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Speaker 5: Let's all move on with our lives and realize there

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Speaker 5: earn enough people that want to be socialists, you nut jobs.

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Speaker 1: In spite of you educating the children to believe that that's,

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Speaker 1: you know, the right thing to do for generations.

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Speaker 2: That troubles me as you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, big updates from Israel in their battle against Islamist

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Speaker 1: lunatics coming up.

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Speaker 2: Uh cool.

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Speaker 5: There's another thing I wanted to get to. I want

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Speaker 5: to tease this. I really want to tease this. Give

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Speaker 5: me one second. No one's holding you back. By God

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Speaker 5: in this country, you have the right to say what

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Speaker 5: you like. Teen boys are going to extreme lengths to

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Speaker 5: be skinny, like Timothy Shallowy.

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Speaker 2: It's a thing that's caught.

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Speaker 5: On noodle boys and I have seen it, I think,

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Speaker 5: and for real, I don't think this is made up.

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Speaker 2: I hope sheesin Ping isn't listening that other things all

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Speaker 2: the ways day here.

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Speaker 9: Farmtro Andy organizers now say the event, known as Fire

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Speaker 9: Festival Too, has been postponed indefinitely. The event had been

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Speaker 9: scheduled to take place in Mexico at the end of May,

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Speaker 9: just six weeks from now. Ticket Holders have been told

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Speaker 9: their money will be refunded. Organizer Billy McFarlane was convicted

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Speaker 9: of wire fraud when the original Fire Festival failed in

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Speaker 9: twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 5: I'm so confused by this story. So he pulled off

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Speaker 5: a fraud.

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Speaker 2: Wow? Bad failed to pull it off? Yeah, well with.

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Speaker 5: A fake with a concert that never happened, and got

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Speaker 5: a bunch of money. And then he does it again,

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Speaker 5: and you buy tickets again, and then he cancels it again.

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Speaker 1: As I said when Katie brought us the news that

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Speaker 1: he had announced a new fire festival, Dude, you got

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Speaker 1: to change up the scammel little bit.

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Speaker 2: You can't run the same scam. You were in the news.

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Speaker 2: I get that. I sympathize. It's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 5: That guy that tried to kill Governor Shapiro in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 5: and burn down the governor's mansion, his cause was the Palestinians.

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Speaker 2: It turns out a nine to one one call.

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Speaker 5: He he actually called in after he set the fire,

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Speaker 5: and he was all upset about Shapiros being.

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Speaker 2: On the side of Israel. So that's what the issue

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Speaker 2: was in his crazy mind.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a fairly direct link between radical left

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Speaker 1: rhetoric and a violent attack. I mean, granit, I think

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Speaker 1: this guy's real agenda was my dog is talking to me,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: So I listened to you mentioned settler colonialism, which I

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Speaker 5: just kind of had a basic view of until I

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Speaker 5: listened to a long podcast yesterday. Jonah Goldberg at The

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Speaker 5: Dispatch had a guy on who's written a book about it, short,

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Speaker 5: a short book just to try to inform people about

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Speaker 5: the whole settler colonialism thing. And it is something we

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Speaker 5: should all be aware of because it's a lot of

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Speaker 5: what your college kids are learning, and its nutjob stuff.

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Speaker 5: It's where that comes from, the whole thing where you

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Speaker 5: walk into a room and say, before we start the meeting,

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Speaker 5: I'd just like to say, this building was built on

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Speaker 5: the land owned by the Chippewa Indians.

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Speaker 2: All that's stuff.

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Speaker 5: It comes from the whole center colonialism thing, and it's

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Speaker 5: it's it's a degree worse than the whole anti racist thing.

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Speaker 5: You know, the whole anti racist thing was set up

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Speaker 5: to where you just couldn't win. There's no winning that game, right,

468
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Speaker 5: it's trap. If you say you're a racist, cool, now

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Speaker 5: we control you. If you say you're not a racist, ah,

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Speaker 5: that's proof you're even a worse racist.

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Speaker 2: So it's just control you. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And so the settler colonial thing is unless you're the

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Speaker 5: indigenous people. And I still don't understand how you decide

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Speaker 5: what year you get to choose for the indigenous people.

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Speaker 5: But because you know, every every piece of land on

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Speaker 5: Earth has changed hands a gazillion times, so who do

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Speaker 5: you choose as the originals? But anyway, in the United

478
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Speaker 5: States it's easier than it would be in Europe, for instance.

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Speaker 5: So unless you're a Native American, you are part of

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Speaker 5: the whole settler colonial thing, and you are benefiting from that,

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Speaker 5: so we get to do whatever we want. You're you're

482
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Speaker 5: bad from the from the from the from the get go,

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Speaker 5: you're benefit fitting from settler colonialism. And so everything should

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Speaker 5: be turned upside down and redistributed or text or whatever

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Speaker 5: it is to try to get the outcome we believe

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Speaker 5: we should get.

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Speaker 2: Well, to tear it down and rebuild it as a

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Speaker 2: Marxist utopia. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And one of the reasons, and the most interesting thing

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Speaker 5: I thought about this with the book was the guy said,

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Speaker 5: that's why there's so much focus on Israel because it's

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Speaker 5: a new enough country, it's a small enough country you

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Speaker 5: could actually like, even though it's crazy, accomplish your goals.

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Speaker 2: You can't with the United States.

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Speaker 5: It's too big, complicated, people coming too many times over years,

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Speaker 5: too long ago. Obviously, in Europe it doesn't work because

497
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Speaker 5: you'd have to go back a thousand years to figure

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Speaker 5: out who's But in Israel you can actually pull it

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Speaker 5: off kind of. So that's why they put so much

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Speaker 5: focus on the whole settler colonialism thing there. And that's

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Speaker 5: all the people that are the queers for Palestine or whatever,

502
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Speaker 5: and you wonder, what the hell are you talking about.

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Speaker 5: It's the whole settler colonial things that's their focus.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, And that's you know, we've been saying this

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Speaker 1: for years and years before this sort of before the

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Speaker 1: terminology was known. It was some of your Larraza, your

507
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Speaker 1: Hispanic activists, were saying, we didn't cross the border. The

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Speaker 1: border crossed us. This is actually our land. And we've

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Speaker 1: been making the point for a very long time. That okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, So you're like the descendants of the Spanish

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Speaker 1: conquista doors in what sense? Or you the one righteous owners?

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Speaker 1: So what do you date it to? Nineteen twenty, eighteen fifty,

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Speaker 1: seventeen forty three, whatever. But the arbitrariness of it, it's

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Speaker 1: like the whole anti racism thing, that's not the Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's arbitrary, Yes it's stupid, Yes it's illogical, But the

516
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Speaker 1: point is you're bad and we can disempower you because

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Speaker 1: bad people shouldn't have power, and then we get power

518
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Speaker 1: and we rebuild it as Marxist utopia.

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Speaker 2: That's how it all ends.

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Speaker 5: It's so clearly doesn't make sense. I'm surprised it doesn't

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Speaker 5: get stopped in its tracks. I mean, your example's perfect.

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Speaker 5: With Mexico, the Spanish came in early fifteen hundreds. Well

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Speaker 5: prior to that, it was Mayans and Aztecs or whoever.

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Speaker 5: They got overthrown by the Spanish. So when do you

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Speaker 5: when do you start the clock on who this land

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Speaker 5: belongs to? But you've decided to go with people who

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Speaker 5: speak Spanish, I guess, well, then you point it up.

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Speaker 5: You pointed out Europe. Can you imagine trying to establish

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Speaker 5: it in Europe. For like the Alsace Lorraine, the part

530
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Speaker 5: of France has traded hands the French, the Vikings, the totals.

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Speaker 2: Started about the Visigoths.

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Speaker 5: I mean where, Yeah, where the hell would you start? Well,

533
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Speaker 5: even the United States, you go back to Native Americans.

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Speaker 5: You don't have to read a hell of a lot

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Speaker 5: about Native Americans to know about apaches and chy ends

536
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Speaker 5: and taking different land.

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Speaker 2: And you had this junk for a while. So who

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Speaker 2: are you going to give it to? It's horrifically violent wars. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's such.

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Speaker 5: A nutjob ideology, but a lot of college kids believe

541
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Speaker 5: in it. Well, yeah, you can convince children of about anything,

542
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Speaker 5: and then they convinced them that this is righteous, even

543
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Speaker 5: though it's idiotic. Apparently, any comment on any of that

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Speaker 5: stuff are text line four one five two nine five kftc.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong.

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Speaker 9: A chaotic scene at a shopping mall in West Hartford, Connecticut.

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Speaker 9: A bear spotted charger through the parking lot at a

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Speaker 9: full sprint, some shoppers rushing inside, a wildlife officer chasing

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Speaker 9: the bear into the nearby woods. They believe the bear

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Speaker 9: came out of hibernation and was looking for.

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Speaker 1: Food and some bargains there at the mall. I saw

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Speaker 1: that video. A, it's a good sized bear. B it

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Speaker 1: is charging hard. I mean you would, you would fill

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Speaker 1: your pants right.

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Speaker 5: It's just I don't know what I think of these

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Speaker 5: news stories that they put in, Like toward the end

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Speaker 5: of the evening newscasts, I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: Of the only reason I watched these days?

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Speaker 1: Am I going to watch that pinhead David Muir's analysis

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Speaker 1: of the politics of the day.

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Speaker 5: He's one of Time's most most influential people. What's time, Grandpa?

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Speaker 5: But do we get anything out of a story like

563
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Speaker 5: a bear got loose and ran through them all? I

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Speaker 5: mean those kinds of stories and you could. I am

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Speaker 5: staunchly in favor of it. I just feel I had

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Speaker 5: a video of a giant squid.

567
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Speaker 2: The other day. I enjoyed that.

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Speaker 5: I feel like I would just rather the news was

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Speaker 5: ten minutes shorter and it would be over. I'll go

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Speaker 5: on with my wife, Why are you anti bear video?

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Speaker 2: He was exciting?

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Speaker 1: There you go, another mild video, mildly entertaining.

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Speaker 2: I'll be darned. I I just I don't understand.

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Speaker 10: I feel like the news does that because they just

575
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Speaker 10: beat the crap out of you with everything that's actually

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Speaker 10: going on in the world.

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Speaker 2: So they give you a little, a little charging bear.

578
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Speaker 2: You sound like Bernie right now. We can't have these stories.

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Speaker 2: Maybe why so many charging paths.

580
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Speaker 5: Maybe I've lost the capacity for joy. Maybe that's happened.

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Speaker 5: I could be you hate to have that happen. But

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Speaker 5: so we've talked a lot about AI in particular, quoting

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Speaker 5: and number of people who say it's going to be

584
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Speaker 5: as big to mankind as fire. That's the guy who

585
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Speaker 5: runs Google, Others who said it's going to be much

586
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Speaker 5: bigger impact on humanity than the Internet. I mean, if

587
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Speaker 5: you're old enough to remember pre Internet, holy crap. I mean,

588
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Speaker 5: so what does that mean? But nobody exactly knows how

589
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Speaker 5: it's going to play out. In this article in the

590
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Speaker 5: Washington Post today, I thought was really really interesting one

591
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Speaker 5: of the problems. And they don't know how they can

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Speaker 5: fix us, and I don't think you can. The language

593
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Speaker 5: learning models, the LMS, they what they do is they

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Speaker 5: scour the Internet for information, well, the Russians in particular,

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Speaker 5: and soon everyone have figured out, well, we'll just put

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Speaker 5: a whole bunch of wrong information on the Internet, and

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Speaker 5: the lllms. When they're sucking up all the information, they'll

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Speaker 5: get all the stuff that's wrong that we want to

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Speaker 5: put out there, and the AI can't tell the difference

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Speaker 5: between apparently a New York Times article or a you know,

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Speaker 5: New York Daily News article, and that's an actual newspaper.

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Speaker 5: I need to make up a newspaper, but make up

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Speaker 5: a newspaper that's an article that says positive stuff about Russia,

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Speaker 5: and AI can't tell the difference.

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Speaker 2: They just suck it all in.

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Speaker 5: Earlier this year, when researchers asked ten leading chatbots about

607
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Speaker 5: topics targeted by false Russian messaging, such as the claim

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Speaker 5: that the United States was making bioweapons in Ukraine, a

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Speaker 5: third of the responses repeated those lies because Moscow has

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Speaker 5: put them out there and done such a good job,

611
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Speaker 5: and nobody knows how they're going to fix this. Most

612
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Speaker 5: chat bots struggle with disinformation. We have safeguards in place,

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Speaker 5: but the problem seems to get worse and worse as

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Speaker 5: opposed to better and better, the more language learning models

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Speaker 5: learned to use the Internet. This might be an unfixable problem.

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Speaker 5: This is so interesting.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine pouring the amount of money and effort

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Speaker 1: into AI that's been poured in, and then you run

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Speaker 1: into an insurmountable problem like this, although I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's necessarily insurmountable. I think you could design some sort

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Speaker 1: of algorithm for reliability and have a tiered system of inputs.

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Speaker 5: Experts, according to the Washington Posts, say the problem is

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Speaker 5: worsening as opposed to getting better. You combine that with

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Speaker 5: hallucinations that they don't know where they come from or why,

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Speaker 5: or if they can be eliminated. And can will AI

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Speaker 5: be as big as some people claim? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I still say yes, but I'm interested to find out

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Speaker 1: along with the rest of you.

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Speaker 5: Maybe only in some areas and not in all areas.

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Speaker 5: Like obviously we've seen with art and music what it

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Speaker 5: can do, and it's amazing.

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