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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones, and welcome to a Tuesday edition of
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys here at the Star in Frisco inside the
Speaker 1: SWBC Mortgage Studios. Okay, we introduced Mickey, and we introduced Rob,
Speaker 1: and we introduced Bill, and we've got a special guest
Speaker 1: in studio as well. We got Cobby in studio. Also,
Speaker 1: Everson Walls joins us, how you doing? Ever said you're
Speaker 1: doing good? Man. I was on a tour self got
Speaker 1: of tour and I found myself in here. Man, I'll
Speaker 1: see you guys. I decided, you know, I was going
Speaker 1: through people's draws and stuff. You know, what a great
Speaker 1: week to have Everson Walls in here because he played
Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick once upon a time. It's good timing't
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that? Yes, yes, yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: different Belichick now. Oh yeah, yeah he's not the same. Different.
Speaker 1: He's like power hungry, scary. He wasn't that scary back
Speaker 1: in back in New York. I mean he when you
Speaker 1: got there, he just got started, right. He was part
Speaker 1: of the eighty six Super Bowl. Yeah, okay, so he
Speaker 1: was that. I'm pretty sure he was a coordinator, yes,
Speaker 1: for that team, young coordinator. Yeah, and you know back then,
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't have a great hair. You know,
Speaker 1: he just looked a little younger, like you know what.
Speaker 1: He even interviews too. I remember going there in eighty
Speaker 1: five or eighty six to do a story on the Giants.
Speaker 1: I was in the locker room. He came walking by
Speaker 1: and it's like, Bill, can I ask you a couple
Speaker 1: of questions? And kind of looked at Parcels. And that's
Speaker 1: the most amazing part of it. Parcels let him do
Speaker 1: and he actually answered a couple of questions that really well,
Speaker 1: he couldn't wait, and I was naive. I didn't know,
Speaker 1: you know that, No, that he didn't talk or Parcels
Speaker 1: didn't let guys talk, you know. So, Yeah, he's had
Speaker 1: a crazy path. Jerry talked about him on the radio
Speaker 1: this morning on the fan of this pretty funny story.
Speaker 1: Found him in a ski lodge that ran into him.
Speaker 1: He was he just got off the slopes and he
Speaker 1: at the time he was looking for a job because
Speaker 1: he got let go by Cleveland, and he said, Jerry
Speaker 1: can keep me in mind. Only let go, I mean,
Speaker 1: but he was the head coach there at Cleveland. Let go,
Speaker 1: and it's worked out well for you. Well, when you
Speaker 1: say let go, I mean the whole team like that,
Speaker 1: you say let go, I mean you know, at least
Speaker 1: he didn't disintegrate with the Browns. Jerry said he was
Speaker 1: in line to rent skis for his grandkids and he goes,
Speaker 1: guy behind me, it's got all his stuff on, and
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, I'm Bill Belichicks. You don't you know
Speaker 1: what job he found shortly thereafter that, you know, with
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. Patriots. Yeah, with the Patriots in fact,
Speaker 1: not just back with the Patriots, he was That was
Speaker 1: his first time with the Page ninety six. He became
Speaker 1: the assistant head coach and defensive backs coach, and then
Speaker 1: the next year the Jets for three years, and then
Speaker 1: head coach starting in two thousand. Yeah, that's that's when
Speaker 1: he and plus Sells had their little because he was
Speaker 1: supposed to take over for pers Sales vouched for him. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm the gem. Yeah, I got this in.
Speaker 1: I got this, guys, don't worry about it. I got
Speaker 1: this in my back pocket. And Belichick's like, na, I
Speaker 1: don't think else. I think he was worried about the
Speaker 1: sale of the team. He wasn't really good. It wasn't
Speaker 1: really He had gone through this whole team disintegration thing
Speaker 1: with the Browns. If I'm not mistaken, his kids were
Speaker 1: being threatened in he had they had to have you know,
Speaker 1: arm security guards. Wow. Yeah, picking the kids up from school,
Speaker 1: taking the school pick them up from school. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to go to that crap again. Yeah, Brown's fans
Speaker 1: a crazy man, historically crazy Youngstown, Ohio, and you know
Speaker 1: talking to Yeah, you know we're talking about gangsters and
Speaker 1: not not just the crazy ones that are dressed up
Speaker 1: like dogs and the dog. So, how was Belichick today?
Speaker 1: He went on for twenty minutes. You know, for a
Speaker 1: guy that's known is not very effusive. He talked a lot.
Speaker 1: But everybody he did conference call today, he did look
Speaker 1: at local media here eight in the morning, didn't you were?
Speaker 1: I was up, but I wasn't found that conference off.
Speaker 1: We should be getting the transcript of it. But everybody's
Speaker 1: a problem on this Cowboys offense and defense. Dack's a problem,
Speaker 1: the running backs, the tight ends, the defense. He was
Speaker 1: very complimentary of every phase of this Cowboys team, as
Speaker 1: you would expect him to be. And if you go
Speaker 1: back and listen to less weeks or read last week's
Speaker 1: transcript when they played the Eagles, everyone of the Eagles
Speaker 1: was a problem. The Jets before that, yeahs everyone's a problem,
Speaker 1: and the Ravens and Lamar Jackson you turned out to
Speaker 1: be a problem. Only one team has been a real
Speaker 1: problem for him and that was a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and that was the raven to put up thirty seven
Speaker 1: points on this number one defense in the league. Yes
Speaker 1: they did, and they ran on them too, but that's
Speaker 1: really how they did it. The quarterback, I think it's
Speaker 1: really that was like the first game who I've seen
Speaker 1: Belichick it out coach, he wasn't. It's like he wasn't
Speaker 1: expecting that. That's because he was saving it for what
Speaker 1: the postseason. He does that. He does that, yeah, but
Speaker 1: but you know he didn't save it for the Jets.
Speaker 1: But I didn't he save it for the Jets. I mean,
Speaker 1: he could have easily let them kind of and stay close.
Speaker 1: But I guess the Cowboys made them nervous. So what
Speaker 1: was like playing for him? Oh? It was? It was?
Speaker 1: It was How can I say it? It was eye
Speaker 1: opening only because I've been around smart coaches before, amazing coaches.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody knows my coaching resume, coach vibe. Then
Speaker 1: Tom land you want the smartest coaches in the history
Speaker 1: of the NFL. He comes up with, You're on defense,
Speaker 1: you know, to stop a particular player, and it resonated
Speaker 1: for decades. And now you've got Belichick, who is the
Speaker 1: most How can I put it? Tom Landry did everything himself.
Speaker 1: You know, he just hey, I'll study this. I'll just
Speaker 1: give you the information. Okay, trust me, this is good.
Speaker 1: These kind of things that Tom did because he's just
Speaker 1: you know, Michael managed. Belichick was different, even though he
Speaker 1: does Michael manage in his own way. He would designate
Speaker 1: different players for certain tasks. So you know, you're gonna
Speaker 1: take a look at the quarterback every time he comes
Speaker 1: up and before a play action pass, Let's see what
Speaker 1: his mannerisms are. So there's a tell he's looking for.
Speaker 1: Tells you lick your fingers. I don't care what it is,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not lick your fingers. You know, he's
Speaker 1: gonna hand it off. We found it about Buffalo, you
Speaker 1: know the only time it was very key for us
Speaker 1: and keep playing the game. Just simple things. We found
Speaker 1: out in the Super Bowl that the only time Jim
Speaker 1: Kelly went on the center is when he's gonna hand
Speaker 1: the ball off. They never did play action. Never unless
Speaker 1: he's in the shotgun, he's gonna throw it. Maybe handed off,
Speaker 1: but when he's under center, run and we had we
Speaker 1: had a third and one and we stopped him and
Speaker 1: he would have signed players, Oh yes to that. But
Speaker 1: I bring him the apple every day now. It was mine.
Speaker 1: Was the mannerism, the tills of the quarterback just depended
Speaker 1: on the game itself. I was always a wide receivers
Speaker 1: in split sky, you know splits. To me, that was
Speaker 1: always my best friend. Depending on where you lined up
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver, specially if you're the outside receiver,
Speaker 1: it's gonna tell me something. I'm gonna get a key
Speaker 1: off of that. So mine, where I was really good
Speaker 1: at was alignments of the wide receivers and then that
Speaker 1: would tell what route, you know, what routes we can
Speaker 1: look for so that's you know, just little things like
Speaker 1: that to where Okay, I didn't do this for you,
Speaker 1: you did it, so now you know it. Now you
Speaker 1: know it, now you know it, and now we're like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're all coaches. So when he's not on
Speaker 1: the field, we got this in the huddle because I
Speaker 1: got called Banks, mister, mister smart ass, my buddy, my buddy. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, you had guys like Pepper Johnson. The linebackers
Speaker 1: were very key. They were the guys that really they
Speaker 1: were the heart of our team that get Lawrence any
Speaker 1: of those responsibilities. Yeah, it was good. Was good. You know,
Speaker 1: he's very instinctive as a player, and when it's all
Speaker 1: said and done, he's kind of like Randy White, like, oh,
Speaker 1: to hell with it. Just you know, I just got
Speaker 1: to do it myself. You know. They were like that,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're getting some serious situations, but you
Speaker 1: know when things are going well, no they are. You know,
Speaker 1: he was on track. Uh. He and Banks and the
Speaker 1: linebackers were always in sync. So sometimes in the back
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to do as a safety, I
Speaker 1: had nothing to do. They called me in one time
Speaker 1: and say, hey, you're not doing anything. I said, I
Speaker 1: got nothing to do. I'm back here with shutting down Marino.
Speaker 1: We shut them out. Barry Sanders was afraid. I've never
Speaker 1: seen Barry Sanders look scared. He didn't want to play
Speaker 1: against us. So these you know, when you're up there
Speaker 1: seeing all of that, you do kind of get lazy
Speaker 1: back then I got a little lazier. So you were
Speaker 1: playing safety then well it was on third down, okay,
Speaker 1: so that was appropriate. All you had to do is me, yeah,
Speaker 1: make safe, look look for a fumble to pop out.
Speaker 1: You know sometimes helputs were popping and he was a
Speaker 1: head coach, then yes, the same thing, No doubt. You
Speaker 1: think he's still doing it. Of course he is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course he is. Yeah, that's why that team is
Speaker 1: always in sync. When you look at the defense, is
Speaker 1: as good as this one, you know, as bad as
Speaker 1: good as the one in ninety You're looking at a
Speaker 1: team that you know, no one's out of place. Now
Speaker 1: you might make a play on me one on one
Speaker 1: doing a matchup, but no one's out of place. No
Speaker 1: one's no missed assignments. You know. One of the traits
Speaker 1: that you can tell that Bill Belichick looks for in
Speaker 1: a player because he studies the draft like nobody nobody's business,
Speaker 1: and he remembers those players from four or five years ago,
Speaker 1: and he'll pick eventually pick them up. When Kyle van
Speaker 1: Noy is let go by the Lions for some reason,
Speaker 1: here's a second round draft pick, let go, he snaps
Speaker 1: him up and he's a primary player on the defense.
Speaker 1: And one of the big reasons is because he's got
Speaker 1: it upstairs. He's smart. Everything Walls is like that. It's
Speaker 1: the whole Doyer job thing. Was that his thing back
Speaker 1: then too? Yeah, I mean that the level of tolerance
Speaker 1: these days some coaches is amazing to me. I've seen
Speaker 1: dbs just wilf on the on the play, you know,
Speaker 1: big running backs coming, they make that business decision. We
Speaker 1: wan't allowed to make those business decisions back in the
Speaker 1: nineties and eighties. It you won't allowed either you throw
Speaker 1: your body in there or you're coming off the field.
Speaker 1: You know how Tom was. They didn't play that crap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get you know, you get beat. That's
Speaker 1: one thing. But if you just if you're if you
Speaker 1: showed that you're hesitant, you know that you're not willing
Speaker 1: to go all in. Yeah, it showed on the on
Speaker 1: the on the film, and then they run it back
Speaker 1: for everybody to see, back and forth, back and forth,
Speaker 1: back and forth. That's kind of embarrassing. So they would
Speaker 1: shame you if into making plays. They know, they just
Speaker 1: don't do that these days, like the play on Jarwin's
Speaker 1: touchdown against the Giants a couple of weeks ago, when
Speaker 1: Generis Jenkins gave him the old lady about no part
Speaker 1: of me. And you're talking about a guy, Jenkins, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a this is a good player. Yeah. You
Speaker 1: you're supposed to You're supposed to handle yourself better than that.
Speaker 1: Show me. You got to show the younger players on
Speaker 1: the team that you know, I'm all in. I don't
Speaker 1: care what the score is. And these are the times
Speaker 1: when coaches like Belichick and Tom Langie would judge you.
Speaker 1: I'm judging you now when we're beat We're getting beat
Speaker 1: thirty five to thirteen. How are you playing now? And
Speaker 1: they would that that's when you better show me that
Speaker 1: you are ashamed of where we are right now and
Speaker 1: that at least you have the pride to do something
Speaker 1: about it. You better showed me that on film. And
Speaker 1: they are looking back in the day they would look
Speaker 1: for that's it wasn't those nice moments they have these days.
Speaker 1: We were adversaries, Matt management and players. Yeah, we were adversaries.
Speaker 1: We were not friends. We were not friends. You didn't
Speaker 1: go out to dinner with none of that. And somebody,
Speaker 1: if they invite you off in to dinner, then you
Speaker 1: better take a lookout with you because they're gonna stabbing
Speaker 1: the back. Oh that's funny. So you played for Belichick
Speaker 1: with the Giants, and then when he became the head
Speaker 1: coach of the Browns, he snapped you up. Yeah he did.
Speaker 1: Uh I was. I was. Actually it was like two
Speaker 1: lovers meeting in the in the in the in the
Speaker 1: night or something, because I was. I was like, get
Speaker 1: me out in New York. You got your Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and gotten ugly, and that gotten ugly, plus sales had
Speaker 1: gotten as angel PLASTI. He left, Belichick left and here
Speaker 1: comes lay Handley. George Young said he had everything under control,
Speaker 1: and there was the worst. Al grow was our defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: It just then they brought in. Uh, they came in
Speaker 1: with this old coach from New England. Oh he was
Speaker 1: so old. He was so old, and he came up
Speaker 1: with We confused him on cover too, that's what we run.
Speaker 1: How do you get confused on something that that's our staple.
Speaker 1: It was just horrible. It wasn't not a good sign.
Speaker 1: It was horrible. So I don't know why this name came.
Speaker 1: It wasn't Earnhardt, was it. No, that was I believe
Speaker 1: that was the offensive quar Yeah, he was offensive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Handley had to make one decision who was going to
Speaker 1: be the quarterback? And he can sims right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was It was almost like going back
Speaker 1: to the quarterback controversy. It was Dallas. Yeah, they had
Speaker 1: the same feel. You know, we were just floundering. We
Speaker 1: were just we were like fish out of water. So
Speaker 1: do you think that to this day? He because it
Speaker 1: seems like a lot of his defensive coordinators get hired
Speaker 1: like Matt Patricia, it's hired in Detroit. Did he allow
Speaker 1: them to be the defensive coordinator? Was he the defensive coordinator?
Speaker 1: And he told them what to do? Well? With he
Speaker 1: and Nick Saban, Yeah, they were both together still still
Speaker 1: very young guys, very young coaches, and and he and
Speaker 1: Nick they were together. They were a great tandem. So
Speaker 1: they thought the like and as you can tell what
Speaker 1: went down the college level. He would have gone from
Speaker 1: there to Michigan State and then Miami and then right
Speaker 1: I actually uh, and then the Dolphins. Yeah. I had
Speaker 1: to call him after after he won the championship with
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, and I had to apologize because, you know,
Speaker 1: when they let me go in Cleveland, I was a
Speaker 1: little upset. And then I'm going home on the plane
Speaker 1: just so happened. He's on the plane with his family.
Speaker 1: Oh no, and yeah, and you know, so I'm still
Speaker 1: you know, my my lip is down on the ground.
Speaker 1: It was dragging on the ground. And here comes up
Speaker 1: this this short dude. He comes up with a big
Speaker 1: smile on his face. I'm like, I recognize this guy,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't look like Nick Saban because he's smiling.
Speaker 1: I've never seen him smile. You had his vacation time,
Speaker 1: he was offseason, he was a different guy. He said, Man,
Speaker 1: my family's in the back. Why don't you come meet
Speaker 1: my family? And you know, I was like, I was
Speaker 1: kind of still mad. I wanted to be mad at him.
Speaker 1: It wasn't his fault, but you know, I was still
Speaker 1: feeling that that release. You know, I still felt the
Speaker 1: blade from getting cut and and you know, I wasn't
Speaker 1: as as cordial as I should have been. And I
Speaker 1: remember after he won the championship by calling back and
Speaker 1: congratulating and also apologize, you know, for that last meeting
Speaker 1: because he was genuinely happy to see me. And I'm
Speaker 1: I'm almost I'm you know, it's not me. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I almost brushed him off, But yeah, I had to
Speaker 1: call back in the polgast So that would have been
Speaker 1: his first championship. That was his first, that's correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's only one five percent? Then now how many
Speaker 1: in the one? Yeah? And then went to the Dolphins
Speaker 1: and then at Alabama. It's been nine, eleven, twelve, fifteen,
Speaker 1: and seventeen, but it doesn't look like they're going to
Speaker 1: do it this year. Well, Everson Walls is our special
Speaker 1: guest here on Talking Cowboys, and we will continue in
Speaker 1: a moment and get his impressions of this current Cowboys team.
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Speaker 1: we get you set for Cowboys and Patriots on Sunday.
Speaker 1: And let's address Brian's situation. As you know on Twitter,
Speaker 1: Brian brought us. Tweeted out yesterday that as of yesterday,
Speaker 1: he is no longer an employee of the Cowboys. He
Speaker 1: wants to thank the Jones family for an incredible opportunity.
Speaker 1: They put me on the world stage, and I'll always
Speaker 1: be grateful. I'm looking forward with anticipation to my next
Speaker 1: challenge here very soon. I'll say I thoroughly enjoyed working
Speaker 1: with Brian, and in fact, when he first made the
Speaker 1: transition into broadcasting, I helped him a little bit. We
Speaker 1: did some draft preview stuff. I can't remember how many
Speaker 1: years ago it's been now, it's not that long ago.
Speaker 1: But as Derek Eagleton pointed out in his tweet later
Speaker 1: in the day, he's the type of person that anything
Speaker 1: you ask him to do, he'll do it for you,
Speaker 1: and I wish him well. I have not had an
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk with Brian. I decided, like many others,
Speaker 1: just as this was going on, that you know, if
Speaker 1: he wants to reach out to me, great, but but
Speaker 1: I just it seemed like a private thing, and so
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to him. But I want to publicly
Speaker 1: say not much of pleasure it's been for me to
Speaker 1: work with him. We actually had we actually had two
Speaker 1: tours of duty because he was a scout when I
Speaker 1: first started working on the Cowboys website and then came
Speaker 1: back and worked with us. Yeah. Yeah, pretty good trip. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just want to thank him for everything he's done
Speaker 1: for me. I feel like I learned something every time
Speaker 1: we were in studio with him. And you know, I
Speaker 1: know a lot of fans and listeners have been asking
Speaker 1: us about him the last couple of weeks, and we
Speaker 1: just we really wanted him to have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: express that, and he did so yesterday. So yeah, absolutely
Speaker 1: wish him well going forward. No, I enjoy working with him.
Speaker 1: I like his angle. It comes from the management angle.
Speaker 1: Sometimes as a player, you know, all you think about
Speaker 1: is how the effects the players. I like his aspects
Speaker 1: and where it comes from, and very informative. Every show
Speaker 1: he tells me something that I had no idea. I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't think of even coming from that angle.
Speaker 1: That's that's the way he was and you were doing
Speaker 1: the pregame show. Oh yeah, that's right. He took over.
Speaker 1: He took Big Boys. I'm like, man, this guy's intimidating.
Speaker 1: Man listening to him, he must know what he's talking about. Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's the key. The way I look at it.
Speaker 1: I speak with authority on whatever I talk about, whether
Speaker 1: I know what I'm talking about or not. If you
Speaker 1: say it with authority talking about scaring everybody else away,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right, all right? Um? I want to get
Speaker 1: ever since impressions on what he's seeing with this Cowboys
Speaker 1: team right now and specifically this Dallas defense. What are
Speaker 1: you seeing right now from this man? That defense? Oh?
Speaker 1: My goodness, that's so inconsistent. It just just how did
Speaker 1: jeans tall us say? Jeans? It chaps my ass. Inconsistent
Speaker 1: they are. And you know, for a team that I
Speaker 1: was hoping for, a unit that I was hoping, would
Speaker 1: you know they would be the ignited of every game?
Speaker 1: You know, we can't wait on them every game too. Okay,
Speaker 1: now we're fired up. It reminds me of the eighty
Speaker 1: one team. I'm sorry, what am I going? It reminds
Speaker 1: me of the twenty sixteen team that when DA and
Speaker 1: when that Dak and six rookie year. This is the
Speaker 1: team where offensively we were clicking I mean every week,
Speaker 1: and defensively they played off of the offense. And that's
Speaker 1: what they're doing now. I do not like that. I
Speaker 1: think you know, you've seen other teams that are good,
Speaker 1: that are consistent, and those teams are are good and
Speaker 1: consistent and at the top of their division. Defensively, they
Speaker 1: are playmakers, Okay, they don't make they don't miss tackles
Speaker 1: in open space, fundamental things that they're looking for the ball.
Speaker 1: They're looking for opportunities for turnovers. And I'm always you know,
Speaker 1: the thing about the interceptions, but any type of turnover, strip, sacks, fumbles,
Speaker 1: when it's on the ground, be ready to jump on it.
Speaker 1: Expect for plays to happen, for the new edition of
Speaker 1: Christian Shaw to come in and to bring that culture,
Speaker 1: and for him to say that, hey, the plan is good.
Speaker 1: You know, the plan is good. I've got to set
Speaker 1: up for an interception for every pass play, but then
Speaker 1: we don't have any, so the plan is good. Hey,
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. All we gotta do is look
Speaker 1: across the field at the new England Patriots. Someday team
Speaker 1: that takes the football away on defense by far number
Speaker 1: one takeaways just over halfway through. Yeah, and when you
Speaker 1: look at something like that as a coach, as a player,
Speaker 1: you know, you have the talent. It's not like I'm
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys eighty seventeam where we were, you know,
Speaker 1: dwindling in talent aged age. We're going up in age
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. And okay, you you're asking
Speaker 1: teams to summon something that they don't have anymore. This
Speaker 1: team has it. They are young. Okay, they are talented,
Speaker 1: and so it's just not being uh focused in harnessed
Speaker 1: in the right direction. I've said it many times. Turnovers
Speaker 1: are contagious. If one person gets a few of them,
Speaker 1: then that next person next to him or it plays
Speaker 1: his position or plays on the on the linebacker position.
Speaker 1: He's gonna say, I need some I've known that since
Speaker 1: high school. I got a few interception in high school.
Speaker 1: Next thing, I know, this guy wants in inception. I
Speaker 1: got some interceptions in college. I watched this guy get picks.
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta do that. That's how I
Speaker 1: keep my scholarship. That's how i'm I'm How can I
Speaker 1: say that's how I'm I'm invaluable to the team. What
Speaker 1: is my value to the team. I want to increase
Speaker 1: my value to that team. You know. That was Jerry's
Speaker 1: tech this morning. On his radio segment talking about the
Speaker 1: defense and pointing out that when it came to yards
Speaker 1: per game, they were seventh in the league, or our
Speaker 1: seventh in the league. But he said, the thing that's
Speaker 1: separating us from being that next step defense is takeaways.
Speaker 1: And if you look at what they've done, and these
Speaker 1: last two games I think are somewhat troubling because they've
Speaker 1: given up twenty seven and twenty eight points in back
Speaker 1: to back games, and twenty seven to a backup quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: so that averages out to twenty seven and a half
Speaker 1: points over those two. Over the first eight games, they
Speaker 1: were only given up seventeen points seven points a game
Speaker 1: and really only had the one bad game and that
Speaker 1: was the Packers, and the takeaways really helped out the
Speaker 1: Packers score that many points, so they had been okay,
Speaker 1: still didn't have enough takeaways. But these last two games
Speaker 1: somewhat troubling. And the troubling thing that I think has
Speaker 1: been consistent is allowing quarterbacks to run the football. If
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, the Lions had one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: one yards rushing and fifty one of those was the quarterback.
Speaker 1: So you can deal with seventy yards rushing, but you
Speaker 1: can't let the quarterback get away when you knew going
Speaker 1: into the game that the quarterback was athletic and we
Speaker 1: got to make sure we keep He was their leading
Speaker 1: rush of the week before Chicago. Yeah, with the four
Speaker 1: four speed Jeff Driscoll. Yeah, and Everson mentioned the tackling
Speaker 1: on a second. The quarterback's not gonna run this week, Okay,
Speaker 1: where he's not going to stop that quarterback from running
Speaker 1: this week. He's a lot the priority, awkward looking figure
Speaker 1: while running down the field with his number one. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he will run. But it's been a watch out for
Speaker 1: the quarterback, right, watch out that philling special two quarterback
Speaker 1: sneak's yard. You know, well, Everson mentioned the tackling, Jerry
Speaker 1: mentioned it. We mentioned it yesterday. That has not been
Speaker 1: a consistent part of their defense this year in the
Speaker 1: run game. Make you mentioned with mobile quarterbacks, they're not
Speaker 1: as consistent tackling as they would like to be. And
Speaker 1: that's the that's the big thing I see in the
Speaker 1: games that they've lost or that they've struggled in. And
Speaker 1: that's coaching, man. Yeah, that's coaching, man. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's all it is. You put emphasis on I'm tackling.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a football player, you're a football player. I
Speaker 1: know Cook is a great running back, but I'm a
Speaker 1: hell of a defensive back. I'm a hell of a linebacker.
Speaker 1: I'm a hell of a defensive lineman. Yea, I can
Speaker 1: bring this guy down. Everybody knew he ran hard when
Speaker 1: he came into the game. That was nothing new. And
Speaker 1: it's one other thing that that concerns me. And I've
Speaker 1: always said this about turnovers. I was on Drew Pierson's
Speaker 1: show the other day and he talked about you know
Speaker 1: they you know how they bragged on him when you're
Speaker 1: on the show and talked about how those interceptions he said,
Speaker 1: he said, he says, he said, man, when when you
Speaker 1: would get the interceptions when our team, because we led
Speaker 1: the league, when we were getting an interception, the offense
Speaker 1: loved it because most times, all these guys do come
Speaker 1: in and do a couple of running running plays and
Speaker 1: next thing you know, you're on the twenty yard line
Speaker 1: and Drew Pierson's got touchdown a quick slant. You know,
Speaker 1: you beat a guy on the faith. That's easy work.
Speaker 1: That's a four play drive. Have you seen how many
Speaker 1: plays we have to run doing a game. Lately, we
Speaker 1: always start off inside the twenty five. At least we run.
Speaker 1: We use every play in the playbook to get a score.
Speaker 1: The only game they didn't was the Philadelphia game, and
Speaker 1: that was the first time all season they went six
Speaker 1: games without starting an offensive driving the opponents into the
Speaker 1: field until that game. That's a lot of pressure on
Speaker 1: your offense. That's just way too much press. I don't
Speaker 1: care how good you are. Eventually we're gonna figure this out. Slay,
Speaker 1: we were attacking Slay with Cooper. Well, eventually Slays like,
Speaker 1: hold up, man, I'm just gonna take a shot here.
Speaker 1: Maybe he might run a curl. I'm gonna jump it
Speaker 1: and see those things. Good teams will make that play.
Speaker 1: He should have made the player I believe. I believe
Speaker 1: that was Slay. That missed was right, and good teams
Speaker 1: are gonna make that play. And now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're down two scores or maybe three scores, and this
Speaker 1: is a better team. Now you're talking to the the Patriots,
Speaker 1: you might be talking. We saw glean Bay. We cannot
Speaker 1: take this for granted. We cannot come out like we've
Speaker 1: been coming out offensively. That's a whole another story. But
Speaker 1: to me, defensively, anytime you have a good team and
Speaker 1: you have a good quarterback, that quarterback gets extra opportunities
Speaker 1: to make up for any mistake because his defense is
Speaker 1: going to give him another chance. I'm glad you brought
Speaker 1: that up, because I looked up all the every game
Speaker 1: this year from the past and counted it up the
Speaker 1: number of times they've started offensively inside upon his territory
Speaker 1: or the fifty yard line. What do you say the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have one? Well, there was the first time comes
Speaker 1: to the Philadelphia game. Yeah, yeah, twenty four. Twenty four
Speaker 1: times Tom Brady's had the ball at midfield or inside
Speaker 1: upon his territory. That Eagles game had four times that
Speaker 1: they did. They got the ball four times every time
Speaker 1: it was in the Eagles end of the field in
Speaker 1: one game. And I mean that's and Brady's not happy
Speaker 1: with the offense. But when when you got the ball
Speaker 1: and you're not having to go that long and drive,
Speaker 1: I think the go can can get in there a
Speaker 1: couple of times. So you probably can't comprehend us. The
Speaker 1: opponents have thrown three hundred and forty seven passes so
Speaker 1: far and the Cowboys have four interceptions they got four four. Man,
Speaker 1: I never said had eleven his rookie season. Man, the
Speaker 1: host is supposed to do this eleven season seven and
Speaker 1: eighty two, which was a strike shortened season nine games seven. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's eighteen picks in twenty five games right there.
Speaker 1: All right, you fell off in before it was started.
Speaker 1: Five nine interceptions fifty seven in his career. So there
Speaker 1: you go. Not bad. And I gotta say, guys, I
Speaker 1: love the accolades, but uh and I love the love.
Speaker 1: But as a team, we were monsters. Man. I mean,
Speaker 1: Mick was there. We dude, we picked him off all
Speaker 1: the time. It was the norm. We gave We gave
Speaker 1: up some plays, but man, we made so many plays. Guys.
Speaker 1: You never even heard of him making interceptions. And that's
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. The culture was there, Victor Scott.
Speaker 1: Who knows who the hill? Victor Scott got some damn interceptions.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that much. Who who knows who
Speaker 1: Ricky easily is? I know who is because he got
Speaker 1: some interceptions with us. No one knows who he is. Okay,
Speaker 1: you couldn't even find any right now on Facebook. Problem.
Speaker 1: But that guy got the pick because he joined the culture,
Speaker 1: and the culture needs to be established here some kind
Speaker 1: of way. That guy even Bill Bates got Bill Bates
Speaker 1: got picks. Come on, man, come on, Steve Wilson got
Speaker 1: two picks. I took his job and he comes back
Speaker 1: against two picks. Come on, Cowboys, your rookie year. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys had thirty seven interceptions. Of course Everson had twenty
Speaker 1: of them. No, he had eleven, Dennis Thurman had twenty.
Speaker 1: Together Thurman had nine. Ever, soon, how come he got
Speaker 1: the nickname and you didn't? I mean, look up the
Speaker 1: eighty five season. Okay, well, I'm gonna look up the
Speaker 1: eighty five season and we'll get to that when we
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Speaker 1: man Black folks kid as I was all listened to
Speaker 1: everything you said on that one Jack Black, all right,
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out. I pride myself having
Speaker 1: grown up in Irving. I went to MacArthur, you went
Speaker 1: to Berkener over in Richard, Okay. And I pride myself
Speaker 1: having pretty much known every Cowboys player that came through okay.
Speaker 1: And then you mentioned this Ricky Easily Eastman. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was like, I've never heard of Ricky Easily. Okay.
Speaker 1: I've never heard of Ricky Eastman either, Okay, okay. And
Speaker 1: I looked him up and sure enough, not a Ricky Easily,
Speaker 1: but a Ricky Eastman. Month that's right. Nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1: Good dude. Lee was the skinniest guy you ever want
Speaker 1: to meet, but one of those skinny, strong guys that
Speaker 1: he hit way harder than I did. I wouldn't throw
Speaker 1: him out by the end like he did. He was
Speaker 1: a good kid. I don't know that he got an interception?
Speaker 1: Did you get a pick? So that? Okay, Mickey, you
Speaker 1: asked about nineteen eighty five, yes, okay, And I looked
Speaker 1: up thirty They had thirty seven picks in eighty one.
Speaker 1: I'm still wrapping my head around five. The Cowboys had
Speaker 1: thirty three interceptions. I bet we have to go back
Speaker 1: and everything three four years for the team to total
Speaker 1: that many. You know who got an interception in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty five and scored a touchdown? Was that? He would
Speaker 1: have been about a third year player? Was me? It
Speaker 1: wasn't me. A defensive lineman a defense, Jim. Jeff God,
Speaker 1: that was the sixty five yard Giants may have been.
Speaker 1: I'm yeah that was. I remember the dance he tried
Speaker 1: to dance in the unit zone. Jeff God, I can't
Speaker 1: see that now. I probably watched well. They started the
Speaker 1: season off that year with five in the opener against
Speaker 1: Eisman on his birthday. Oh yeah, I was a day, Yeah, birthday.
Speaker 1: I hope the whole class, ain't it that? That was
Speaker 1: classic moment? That yeah, classic, Never forget that forty four
Speaker 1: to fourteen. And Victor Scott had a twenty six yard
Speaker 1: pick six he in that game. That Dennis Thurman also
Speaker 1: had a pick six in that game. Yeah, so there
Speaker 1: you go. And then they went to Saint Louis and
Speaker 1: bought their hats. Yeah, oh yeah, we were feeling us
Speaker 1: for the games. Ye took the picture. Now just think
Speaker 1: about that. We bought some hats, gangster hats and see
Speaker 1: see see the narrative they why can't they just be
Speaker 1: for doors those on the road trips where I grew up.
Speaker 1: Every week we grow my hats. What are they doing hats?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're gonna lose this game and the
Speaker 1: seasons over. And they did a game. Of course TV interview,
Speaker 1: Hanson was having fun and of all people that missed
Speaker 1: the interview, I missed the interview. Oh no, I never
Speaker 1: went on the early bus. They went the early bus,
Speaker 1: so they'll call them and like cute little interview. Everybody
Speaker 1: is upset over hats beat. They weren't prepared to play.
Speaker 1: We weren't prepared to play because we bought hats. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: you give me a break. That was the culture from
Speaker 1: from the eighties. That's typical of the culture from the eighties.
Speaker 1: The whole defensive line got mad at us because he
Speaker 1: bought hats. Then they had to go and do a
Speaker 1: poster later with some big cowboy hats on because how
Speaker 1: don't even think about getting gangster hats? Tall hats. That's
Speaker 1: what we got here. That was just crazy. Man. That
Speaker 1: was a twenty one to ten lost to the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't the worst Cowboys Monday Night football lost
Speaker 1: to the Saint Louis Cardinals. What happened then? That would
Speaker 1: have been nineteen seventy when Dandy Don Meredith was in
Speaker 1: the broadcast before at the Cotton Bowl, before the team
Speaker 1: even moved into Texas Stadium. My daddy took me to
Speaker 1: that game, and the Cowboys lost thirty eight to nothing
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals play St. Louis. No. It was middle
Speaker 1: of the season, and towards the end of that game,
Speaker 1: the Cowboy crowd turned towards the broadcast girth and started channing,
Speaker 1: we want Dandy, We want Dandy. Dandy was the best.
Speaker 1: That was the best. Monday Night crew. Oh my good,
Speaker 1: never mind, you can say right now they were far
Speaker 1: back Comedian. All right, um, Cowboys off We haven't got
Speaker 1: your your thoughts on the Cowboys offense right now. These
Speaker 1: receivers pretty good, aren't They are good? They are good.
Speaker 1: And I like how you know Dak's picking out you
Speaker 1: know who's whoever's on the menu today. You know Coop's
Speaker 1: not doing well, that's okay. You know, we'll go to
Speaker 1: young kids see how he does. And Cobb, I've always
Speaker 1: said it from day one. Um, I love me some
Speaker 1: hot sauce, Love me some hot sauce. But Cobb is
Speaker 1: the man. I mean, Cobb is is premier slot receiver.
Speaker 1: He always was. I don't know what happened in in
Speaker 1: Green Bay, but having him here and if, if, if
Speaker 1: that keeps showing the way he's showing how he can
Speaker 1: connect with every receiver. To me, Cob besides, Cooper is
Speaker 1: going to be the most important player on the team
Speaker 1: this year. Wow. Well, and it's thing that's really holding sorry,
Speaker 1: that's truly held him back. Like you mentioned green Bay
Speaker 1: was his health. You know, he had the hamstring thing,
Speaker 1: but I mean he was he was a go to
Speaker 1: guy for Rogers for all those years. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: what happened in green Bay last year whenever they soured
Speaker 1: on him and all he's getting old. He had a
Speaker 1: hamstring injury, then he had a concussion, and if you
Speaker 1: looked at what he was doing up to that point,
Speaker 1: he was awfully productive. And even the previous year when
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers went out basically for the season prior to
Speaker 1: his injury, he was on pace for like an eighty
Speaker 1: catch season. And then you got a rookie quarterback who
Speaker 1: was in over his head and say so, his numbers
Speaker 1: aren't going to be the same as when he's got
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Think about it. Where do rookie quarterbacks have problems.
Speaker 1: They have problems down the middle of the field where
Speaker 1: slot receiver is in the tight end, too much congestion right, correct,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, but boy, all I know is every
Speaker 1: time he played the Cowboys, he punished him. Every time
Speaker 1: he played everybody, he punished. Yeah. Yeah, this is this
Speaker 1: is a guy that this was probably the steal for
Speaker 1: us of the season. And I think he will do
Speaker 1: as much for our team as Coop did when he
Speaker 1: came last year. I think I think this guy, you
Speaker 1: saw it, you know, he complimented Uh uh, why can't
Speaker 1: I think of the other receivers named gallup very well,
Speaker 1: complimenting very well. Uh, you can see that this team offensively,
Speaker 1: they can I can see why they get a little
Speaker 1: cocky every once in a while, you know, you get
Speaker 1: full of themselves because sometimes it just looks like it's
Speaker 1: just picking cherries. Man. Yeah, they just wild open all
Speaker 1: the time. So all of a sudden, now you get
Speaker 1: a team stay with New Orleans, Well, you got some
Speaker 1: receiver the dbs they wanted to get into receivers faces,
Speaker 1: no free release of the off the your line make
Speaker 1: a little bit more uncomfortable for them. But now they're
Speaker 1: adjusting to that as well. So right now I see
Speaker 1: them being challenged more with better teams of course coming up.
Speaker 1: But I look for them. I look forward to them
Speaker 1: really settling in. You asked me about what I think
Speaker 1: about this team. I think that when their backs against
Speaker 1: the wall, unfortunately they that's when they play. That's when
Speaker 1: the coaches become more focused. Now the surprise is I
Speaker 1: thought that that would come against the Vikings. I thought
Speaker 1: that was going to be the beginning of our march.
Speaker 1: But still, if you're looking at what go or f