Speaker 1: M Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by my trusted
Speaker 1: colleague Wes Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our
Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field and as you can see, West
Speaker 1: is wearing the throwback apparel this week. The Packers will
Speaker 1: be in their third jerseys on Sunday afternoon at lambeau
Speaker 1: Field against the Buffalo Bills. But West, before we get
Speaker 1: to that, a little bit of a few items to
Speaker 1: clean up with regards to last Sunday's game and some
Speaker 1: rough news for the Packers on the defensive line. We
Speaker 1: found out on Monday from head coach Mike McCarthy that
Speaker 1: veteran d lineman Mohammed Wilkerson ended up having to stay
Speaker 1: behind at a hospital in d C for a procedure
Speaker 1: on his injured ankle before he was able to uh
Speaker 1: come back to Green Bay. And McCarthy didn't lay out
Speaker 1: any timelines, but a lot of media reports out there
Speaker 1: that this is a season ending injury and a tough
Speaker 1: blow for the Packers defensive line for a guy Mike
Speaker 1: Patton had a lot of plans for him, was using
Speaker 1: him in a lot of different ways. Now they have
Speaker 1: to make do without him. It's tough, Mike, because when
Speaker 1: you heard Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark, Dean Lawry, they all
Speaker 1: talked about it on Monday, just what he meant to
Speaker 1: that room and what I mean when he's back, what
Speaker 1: he'll continue to mean to that room. But just the
Speaker 1: presence he brought. Certainly his resume, two time All Pro
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, had two seasons with more than ten sacks,
Speaker 1: which is not easy to do at his position. The
Speaker 1: Packers had, they had big hopes for him. I mean,
Speaker 1: you look at the way that Mike Patton, who worked
Speaker 1: with him his first two years with the Jets, he
Speaker 1: had packages designed for him. He was playing like that
Speaker 1: hybrid defensive end outside linebacker role, almost as a five
Speaker 1: technique rusher in that sub base package. They used that
Speaker 1: quite a bit against the Minnesota Vikings to a lot
Speaker 1: of success in the first three quarters. And certainly he
Speaker 1: can also push inside and get pressure as a three
Speaker 1: technique interior rusher. So to lose him at this juncture
Speaker 1: the season, and listen to Mike Daniels, you know he
Speaker 1: mentioned he sits next to him on the team flight
Speaker 1: that was a tough blow for them, and it's something
Speaker 1: they're really gonna have to, you know, kind of rally
Speaker 1: around now and try to rebound from. Yeah. Well, a
Speaker 1: couple of guys whose roles are certainly going to increase,
Speaker 1: Guys who fall into that draft and developed category for
Speaker 1: the Packers. Dean Lowry, of fourth round pick in the
Speaker 1: draft out of Northwestern Montrevius Adams, a third round pick
Speaker 1: in the draft out of Auburn UM Large Conference guys.
Speaker 1: Lowry certainly has more experience thus far in his NFL career.
Speaker 1: We've seen him get a little more comfortable over his
Speaker 1: first couple of seasons with lining up in some different
Speaker 1: spots across the defensive line and some of those run
Speaker 1: defense base more base packages. He's at the five technique
Speaker 1: on across from the offensive tackle sub you know, nickel
Speaker 1: and dime. He's more of an in here your pass rusher. Um.
Speaker 1: He's been effective, but now we're going to see potentially
Speaker 1: an increased snapload for him with Wilkerson being on the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at how this goes. Lowry in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways is a lot like Wilkerson. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're two completely different players, But I mean the way
Speaker 1: that they play the game and what they're asked to
Speaker 1: do in this defense is very similar. So in that way,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be too far of a fall. He's six
Speaker 1: ft six two pounds. He can play that five technique
Speaker 1: defensive end when they need it, and they've actually played
Speaker 1: bass quite a bit the first three weeks of the season.
Speaker 1: But then he can also push inside. As we saw
Speaker 1: during training camp, Mike, how many times you and I
Speaker 1: were standing out there and watching some of the one
Speaker 1: on one work and some of the half line drills.
Speaker 1: He was getting a lot of push. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: put a lot of strength on to his body and
Speaker 1: it's allowed him to be able to I think, kind
Speaker 1: of complete his versatility. The other aspect of it, though, too,
Speaker 1: is that you know, he only played thirty three defensive
Speaker 1: snaps in the first three games, just all right, first
Speaker 1: two games, and got twenty four last weekend in Washington.
Speaker 1: There's an opportunity now with him being fresh and being
Speaker 1: ready to potentially be able to give a spark to
Speaker 1: that defensive front. The Packers felt good about this defensive
Speaker 1: line going back to February befine, before Mohamed Wilkerson was
Speaker 1: signed in Montrevias Adams coming back from his injury. They
Speaker 1: felt good about it from day one. Yeah, Wilkerson added
Speaker 1: to it. But it is about getting back to the
Speaker 1: realization that, Okay, if it's on us four again, you
Speaker 1: know we can handle this. Yeah. And we saw the
Speaker 1: Packers certainly in the second half in Washington. They didn't
Speaker 1: have Wilkerson, he was he was out of the game
Speaker 1: by that point, and and the defensive front seemed to
Speaker 1: adjust pretty well. Now, obviously it took a while. If
Speaker 1: you look at the fourth quarter Minnesota over time in
Speaker 1: the first half against Washington, seemed like it took a
Speaker 1: while for the Packers secondary to deal with the loss
Speaker 1: of Kevin king and and make adjustments there. So hopefully
Speaker 1: whatever adjustments need to be made upfront, maybe not quite
Speaker 1: so many growing pains. But again, we'll have to see
Speaker 1: things are things are week to week. It's it's a
Speaker 1: match bas league and uh. And we'll see what Buffalo
Speaker 1: brings to the table on Sunday. Absolutely, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a stiff test for them, especially with the Buffalo
Speaker 1: coming off of that win against the Vikings. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of momentum built into that. But no doubt,
Speaker 1: one other thing I want to mention in the defensive
Speaker 1: line is Kenny Clark, and for my money, he's the best.
Speaker 1: He's played as well as anybody on that side of
Speaker 1: the ball. Uh these first three games, I would agree
Speaker 1: he's playing a lot. I mean, one of the defensive
Speaker 1: snaps for the season, played fifty six out of sixty
Speaker 1: one snaps in Washington. He's twenty two years old. He
Speaker 1: feels like he's fresh and ready for it. I'd have
Speaker 1: to imagine as the season wears on that Jerry Montgomery
Speaker 1: and Mike mccarthur are gonna want to be smart with that.
Speaker 1: But he said on Monday, if he's needed right now,
Speaker 1: he's up for the challenge. Sixteen tackles, a sack in
Speaker 1: two pass deflections. He's looked good early on. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: take a look at what Kenny Clark has done against
Speaker 1: the run, in particular my what you might have missed
Speaker 1: piece that is on our website. There's a handful of
Speaker 1: plays that just his his technique in run defense, the
Speaker 1: two gapping being you know, being able to shed the
Speaker 1: block to one side or the other, just been outstanding
Speaker 1: and against Washington. He was doing it, lining up on
Speaker 1: the nose, lining up at three tech, lining up, shading
Speaker 1: the center, you know, in some different spots there and
Speaker 1: being effective. And in fact it's not in my piece,
Speaker 1: but on the long forty one yard run by Adrian Peterson,
Speaker 1: the guy who got in the backfield was Kenny Clark
Speaker 1: slowed that play down initially, but then Peterson was still
Speaker 1: able to bust it through when when other guys couldn't
Speaker 1: make the play. He he's been really really impressive back
Speaker 1: to back weeks. I think he's been right up there
Speaker 1: at the team high and tackles. I mean, he's just
Speaker 1: he's been a maller so far, and the Packers are
Speaker 1: going to need more of that if they got to
Speaker 1: go with Wilkerson. Yeah, well, we'll also have to see
Speaker 1: what happens on the Packers offensive line. McCarthy did not
Speaker 1: have any updates on the back injury to Brian Blog
Speaker 1: at right tackle the shoulder injury to Justin McCrae at
Speaker 1: right guard. So we'll see if one or both or none,
Speaker 1: you know, will be uh be playing on Sunday against Buffalo.
Speaker 1: The Packers essentially have three potential replacements for those two
Speaker 1: spots Jason Spriggs Byron Bell lous Patrick Spriggs pretty much
Speaker 1: just a tackle now, Patrick a guard, and Bell a
Speaker 1: guy who has played both guard and tackle. So we'll
Speaker 1: see how that shakes out. But obviously, with Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: still not fully mobile, dealing with the knee injury and
Speaker 1: he changes on the offensive line, and with Rogers potentially
Speaker 1: not practicing, and the way things have been going, there's
Speaker 1: a lot for the Packers to sort out on offense.
Speaker 1: And and as we've talked about, try to start these
Speaker 1: games a little faster because against both Chicago and Washington,
Speaker 1: the offense just got off to a really really slow start. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and protecting the football is going to be paramount to
Speaker 1: in this game against Buffalo. Ultimately, when you go back
Speaker 1: and look at what they did against Minnesota, I think
Speaker 1: that was the difference. That's how they won the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they won the game with early turnovers, field position, they
Speaker 1: built a lead and then they just hung on from there.
Speaker 1: For the Packers, that will be important to start fast,
Speaker 1: and yeah, we'll have to see what formed the offensive
Speaker 1: line takes. Again, I mentioned this and I think yesterday
Speaker 1: so I thought Jason Spriggs had really settled in by
Speaker 1: the end of training camp at left tackle. Now he's
Speaker 1: going back to right tackle again. He's talked about the
Speaker 1: channel just that in the past, so if he's needed
Speaker 1: there Byron Bell is a pro. I mean, he's played guard,
Speaker 1: he's played tackle on this league for a long time.
Speaker 1: He can handle that. And certainly Lucas Patrick gives you
Speaker 1: that guard to center flexibility. So the Packers were really
Speaker 1: smart and the three guys that they kept behind that
Speaker 1: starting offensive line was really good to be able to
Speaker 1: get the starting five out there together and playing together
Speaker 1: for you know, the first Uh, I guess it would
Speaker 1: end up being what ten quarters who had two and
Speaker 1: a half games, But well, we'll we'll have to see
Speaker 1: what form the week takes with the rest of those guys. Well.
Speaker 1: The other change going on offensively for the Packers is
Speaker 1: the return of Aaron Jones, sat out the first two
Speaker 1: games due to a suspension. Got in the game on
Speaker 1: Sunday forty two yards I believe on six carries. His
Speaker 1: first two carries went for ten and for eight yards.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy had cautioned he was going to have a
Speaker 1: limited role first coming back after the time that he missed,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, Packers are in a good situation
Speaker 1: now at running back. You have all three of your
Speaker 1: options healthy. They all bring a little something different to
Speaker 1: the table. As I said in my postgame editorial, and
Speaker 1: I've repeated, you know, a couple of times in other places.
Speaker 1: I think the key now here for the Packers is
Speaker 1: to figure out what is the right productive mix in
Speaker 1: terms of having an effective and productive rotation, but not
Speaker 1: crossing that line to where everything's everything becomes disjointed on
Speaker 1: offense because you're changing things around all the time. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a fine line to walk. The Packers coaches
Speaker 1: will figure that out as as as we go along here.
Speaker 1: But you know, I like the fact that all three
Speaker 1: of the backfield options are healthy and the coaching staff
Speaker 1: can you know, has in a way a problem to
Speaker 1: figure Yeah, And it's weird, Mike, It's just it just
Speaker 1: hasn't really been the case so far. They're just out
Speaker 1: of those three. Just seems like somebody's been nicked up
Speaker 1: or somebody's always sitting out. Yeah, Aaron Jones obviously being
Speaker 1: out with the suspension. So for the first time here,
Speaker 1: it probably since the beginning when when Williams and Jones
Speaker 1: were unproven, but Packers have three legitimate options at that position.
Speaker 1: And breaking down what happened in this game against watched
Speaker 1: in Jamal Williams started the game, got thirty snaps, Time
Speaker 1: Montgomery twenty, and then Aaron Jones got seventeen. McCarthy has
Speaker 1: said in the past he'll ride the hot hand if
Speaker 1: it presents itself, but he's not averse to committee approaches.
Speaker 1: I know that doesn't make fantasy football owners out there
Speaker 1: very happy, but it's true. And I thought this game,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things didn't go well for the Packers.
Speaker 1: In this game, I had no problem whatsoever with what
Speaker 1: how the backfield was handled hundred and fifty six total yards,
Speaker 1: And I thought, when you look at the production of Williams,
Speaker 1: Montgomery and Jones altogether in a vacuum, the three guys
Speaker 1: did everything that they do well and the Packers were
Speaker 1: able to capitalize on that. As you said, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a balancing act, it's gonna be a juggling act
Speaker 1: these next games coming up. To figure out, Okay, you
Speaker 1: got Time Montgomery, here's what you can do with him,
Speaker 1: Here's the ways he can threaten and stress a defense.
Speaker 1: You know what Jamal Williams does in his consistency as
Speaker 1: a pass protector between the tackles runner, and obviously the
Speaker 1: explosiveness of Aaron Jones. That is a lot of options
Speaker 1: to handle. But it's a good problem to have. And
Speaker 1: as I've said all along, since the very beginning, I
Speaker 1: think that this offense can be at its best when
Speaker 1: all three of those guys are available and healthy and
Speaker 1: ready to contribute. Right and it's about the long game.
Speaker 1: Right now, you have thirteen regular season games to go,
Speaker 1: You have all three of these guys healthy and playing.
Speaker 1: You want to keep it that way for as long
Speaker 1: as you can. You want to keep Aaron Jones healthy
Speaker 1: from the start. People are like, what it was, seventeen snaps.
Speaker 1: He hadn't played in two weeks, and before that he
Speaker 1: was dealing with a hamstring injury. I mean, I get it.
Speaker 1: If you're playing Madden and it says, Okay, this guy
Speaker 1: no longer has a hamstring and he's clear to play,
Speaker 1: You're just gonna use him every single down. It just
Speaker 1: doesn't work that way in the NFL, though, So I
Speaker 1: would imagine if assuming everything checks out this well well
Speaker 1: with him this week, that could be a line for
Speaker 1: more opportunities. You just have to wait and see. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: in better? Okay West? On yesterday's show, we promised we
Speaker 1: would get to looking around the league a little bit
Speaker 1: at where things stand after three weeks in this topsy
Speaker 1: turvy NFL, and the long and the short of it is,
Speaker 1: out of thirty two teams, three teams are three and
Speaker 1: oh three teams are oh and three and twenty six
Speaker 1: teams are somewhere in between. So you figure it out, Okay, go, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna start on the Bears. How
Speaker 1: about that? I said a week ago that that game
Speaker 1: against Seattle was going to be really important, and lo
Speaker 1: and behold, you see Seattle actually is able to get
Speaker 1: a win this week, so they got off the schneid.
Speaker 1: But the Bears they get that win again Seattle, and
Speaker 1: then they go and Squeak went out against the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: coming back from down fourteen nothing on the road. By
Speaker 1: the way, suddenly number one in your division. And that's
Speaker 1: just how the NFL works. Sometimes some people ask me
Speaker 1: this question was asked I think two days ago in inbox,
Speaker 1: is this the the tightest the the NFC North Race
Speaker 1: has ever been? It was tighter, Lie Steer, But I
Speaker 1: mean it's three it's three games in there, so there's
Speaker 1: so much to get There's so much to get sorted out.
Speaker 1: And for all the all the Packers fans who are
Speaker 1: who are like, jeez, you know the Packers are so
Speaker 1: close to you know, to be in three and o
Speaker 1: or having an extra win. Look at what the Chicago
Speaker 1: Bears are thinking. The Bears are like, if we don't
Speaker 1: blow a twenty to nothing lead at lambeau Field, we're
Speaker 1: three and o and sitting pretty on top of the
Speaker 1: division right now. So there's it's it's early. There's so
Speaker 1: much that there's so much that has to get sorted out.
Speaker 1: But it looks like it's gonna be a fun year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. And then you look at the NFC
Speaker 1: North or the NFC at conference in general. You know,
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay finally came back down to earth a
Speaker 1: little bit there. Not saying Ryan's fits magic ran out,
Speaker 1: but I mean you started to see some of the
Speaker 1: takeaways and turnovers that that have been kind of staples
Speaker 1: of of his game in the past. When you live
Speaker 1: by the sword, sometimes you die by the sword. They
Speaker 1: still kept in it with Pittsburgh, who got a very
Speaker 1: big win for themselves, but certainly from that regard, and
Speaker 1: then obviously the shootout the Saints and Falcons and put
Speaker 1: the offensive on slot in the NFC. So it gonna
Speaker 1: be a fun here. There's a lot of teams specifically
Speaker 1: in this conference that are going to be vying for
Speaker 1: playoff spots and every game is meaning. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if you're an NFL fan,
Speaker 1: if you're a football fan, that's what you're cheering for. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and you just look at you look at the way
Speaker 1: Week three went. Nobody thought Buffalo would go into Minneapolis
Speaker 1: and beat the Minnesota but nobody thought they would win,
Speaker 1: let alone win by base three touchdowns. It was seventeen
Speaker 1: It's one of the it's it's one of the biggest,
Speaker 1: one of the biggest upsets. You know, a seventeen point
Speaker 1: underdog on the road. And then there weren't a whole
Speaker 1: lot of people that gave Matt Patricia a chance to
Speaker 1: beat his old boss on Sunday night football at Ford Field,
Speaker 1: and uh, that was no fluke win either. The Detroit
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions clearly outplayed the New England Patriots. The
Speaker 1: Patriots now sitting at one and two, the Lions get
Speaker 1: off the schneid. They're they're at one and two, and hey,
Speaker 1: with everything else that was going on for them for
Speaker 1: two weeks, they sit there and go, well, the Bears
Speaker 1: are two and one at the top of the division,
Speaker 1: were only one game out of first place. I mean,
Speaker 1: how else would you look at it? Quickly turns too,
Speaker 1: because you and I were talking about, Okay, the Packers
Speaker 1: and Buffalo coming up in Detroit and not saying that
Speaker 1: those still aren't winnable games, but the narrative changes a
Speaker 1: little bit absolutely, And also the fact that carry on
Speaker 1: Johnson ended the streaks rusher in Detroit, so the last
Speaker 1: their last one coming actually against the Packers Reggie but
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush Thanksgiving Day. That that awful game for Green
Speaker 1: Bay when Matt Flynn was filling in for Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: from his first broken collar one I believe the final
Speaker 1: score was forty to ten. And uh that was when
Speaker 1: obviously it looked like the Lions were on their way
Speaker 1: to the division championship, and low and behold by between
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and Week seventeen, it was suddenly the Packers against
Speaker 1: the Bears that Soldier Field for the division title and
Speaker 1: the Lions had completely fallen out of it. But that
Speaker 1: was their last one yard rusher in a game Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: against the Packers until Sunday night against the Patriots, of
Speaker 1: all teams. And I think that was the last hundred
Speaker 1: yard rushing performance of Reggie Bush's career or two. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a wacky game, probably in terms
Speaker 1: of just the game in which the Packers lost, not
Speaker 1: talking about some insurmountable comeback or anything like that. Is
Speaker 1: the craziest game I covered, just because it was just
Speaker 1: the whole Anything that could go wrong seemed to go
Speaker 1: wrong in the contest. I think the offensive line got
Speaker 1: banged up from what I recall, but be that as
Speaker 1: it may. Uh In two thousand eighteen, matt Patricia, who
Speaker 1: I believe on the first play or the first series
Speaker 1: where they ended up kicking the field goal on fourth
Speaker 1: and short, got booed for like the fifth or sixth
Speaker 1: consecutive game or whatever it's been at at Ford Field.
Speaker 1: Just can't make people happy. But hopefully Detroit fans now
Speaker 1: keept him a little slack because I think he said
Speaker 1: all the right things. He's done what he's needed to
Speaker 1: do in that post. He's kept an even keeled mindset.
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford is one of the best in the business.
Speaker 1: I still maintained that. I love his moxie. I think
Speaker 1: he's proven himself over the years. And yeah, it's at
Speaker 1: the NFC North, for my money, is still I think
Speaker 1: the best division division right now in football. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be them and probably the self that are
Speaker 1: gonna be competing for that on it this year. But
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a fun year. It really is well
Speaker 1: and there there are some things to figure out with
Speaker 1: regards to the NFC West. Suddenly, Jimmy Garoppolo and San
Speaker 1: Francisco is out for the season. The Rams are three,
Speaker 1: you know, on top of that division. The Seahawks get
Speaker 1: off the schneid, they get their first win of the year,
Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens with that. But really a
Speaker 1: big game, potentially for NFC implications coming up this Thursday
Speaker 1: Night West the Los Angeles Rams against the Minnesota Vikings,
Speaker 1: and both teams banged up. The Rams their two starting cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: Marcus Peters a key to leave dealing with injuries. The
Speaker 1: Vikings hoping to maybe get Dalvin Cook back at running back,
Speaker 1: but then some personal and legal issues going on with
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin, so and and and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Thursday night football, here's a pretty big game in the NFC,
Speaker 1: and you don't even know who's going to be out there. Well,
Speaker 1: this is what I love. It's like because this is
Speaker 1: the whole Fox deal now right right there in Fox.
Speaker 1: And suddenly the Minnesota Vikings are playing the l A
Speaker 1: Rams in week four of a Thursday night football game.
Speaker 1: I'm used to like the being the Browns and the
Speaker 1: Jets or something like that, and nothing's really on the line.
Speaker 1: This is a huge game. Fox Fox Fox forked out
Speaker 1: some big money for this Thursday night package and the
Speaker 1: schedule maker delivered for because these Thursday night matchups this
Speaker 1: year are not what we're used to know. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is this is Sunday Night football. I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody knew what the Vikings and Rams are gonna be.
Speaker 1: But that being said, this is a huge test for
Speaker 1: l A. I saw that stat that they're three and oh,
Speaker 1: but the teams in which they've beaten right now other
Speaker 1: than the loss, are one in five combined. So this
Speaker 1: is I mean, I get the Vikings right now are
Speaker 1: one one in one as well, but I still maintain
Speaker 1: that they're right up there with the top of the
Speaker 1: class in this conference. Seeing how they can bounce back
Speaker 1: and rally back going on the road and seeing if
Speaker 1: l you know, l A can hold serve and maybe
Speaker 1: try to get some separation in this conference. Big implications
Speaker 1: all around. Yeah, definitely. Well, when we get to tomorrow show,
Speaker 1: we'll start breaking down the Buffalo Bills a little bit
Speaker 1: looking ahead to Sunday, but for now we will call
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