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Speaker 2: it's behind the bastards. I'm sorry, I was just docking

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Speaker 2: with my guests for this week. Katie's stole, Katie, Let's

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Speaker 3: And it is absolutely nothing incriminating happening over here at all.

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Speaker 4: Above board Eagle.

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Speaker 2: You had the right to own those F twenty twos.

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Speaker 4: I can vouch for this woman.

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Speaker 1: This woman has done nothing wrong, nothing wrong except watch

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Speaker 2: Nothing wrong. Those were your recreational F twenty twos. You

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Speaker 2: were allowed to have them. Absolutely. We're talking about Liz

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Speaker 2: Dilling in Part two of our BTBS on She's you know,

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Speaker 2: is directly mimicking I mean both like how a lot

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, she tapped into that fear mongering grift real yeah, yeah, early.

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Speaker 2: On exactly, so she is ahead of her time, you know,

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Speaker 4: It's a smart lady who had the wrong.

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Speaker 4: That's that's what I was getting from our first episode.

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Speaker 2: that's her second big book, right, that's that's basically this

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Speaker 2: you know, capitalism. The opening of this book was dedicated

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Speaker 2: not crazy. We all know that. You know. The books

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Speaker 4: Taking some real liberties here.

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Speaker 2: Pacifists are just the Passimism only serves the Red Revolution, right,

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Speaker 2: What helped make the Red Network an instant hit among

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Speaker 2: Seditious Activities in New York in nineteen twenty. Now, these

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Speaker 2: And neither is anything that Liz is bringing into this.

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Speaker 2: What matters is she's adding all this together, which makes

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Speaker 2: The Red and network sells very well, but only some

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Speaker 2: of that money goes to Liz. Many copies are distributed

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Speaker 2: even though this doesn't necessarily make Liz wealthy, it provides

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I always feel like a broken record, but I

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Speaker 4: It's just it's the same playbook now.

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Speaker 2: It's lying. Lying is the right way to make a living,

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Speaker 2: That other great publication. Again, these are just Nazi papers.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm sharing all this stuff because I want

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Speaker 2: is in this period of time. Unlike Dylling, Coughlin was

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Speaker 2: initially a supporter of FDR right, not out of any

433
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Speaker 2: strong political conviction. He certainly doesn't like believe, particularly in

434
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Speaker 2: FDR's politics, but he does believe that he really ought

435
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: to be involved in a presidential administration, and so in

436
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 2: early nineteen thirty two, he actually meets FDR, and FDR promises,

437
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 2: if I get elected, I'll go to you directly for

438
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: like advice, you know, I'll ask you for your advice

439
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 2: on different things. Because Coughlin he has a bunch of

440
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: things he wants to advise the presidency about. So Coughlin

441
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: backs FDR because he thinks he's going to have an

442
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: end to the new administration. And in fact, Father Coughlin

443
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 2: invents a couple important catchphrases that help like sell FDR's campaign,

444
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: including the New Deal is Christ's Deal. But after FDR wins,

445
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 2: Roosevelt's like, well, this guy's obviously crazy. I'll let's block

446
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: his number, like I'm not actually going to go to

447
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: him for advice or anything. And Father Kauflin, when he

448
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: realizes he's been betrayed, loses his mind and begins dedicating

449
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: himself to attacking the New Deal as godless communism, and

450
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: he said, what's funny to make because Dilling hates FDR

451
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: from the start. She loves Coughlin from the start, but

452
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 2: she always ignores that Coughlin likes FDR when he thinks

453
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: he's going to get something out of FDR, like, she

454
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: can't square with that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

456
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Speaker 2: In nineteen forty six, Coughlin starts a weekly newspaper titled

457
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Speaker 2: Social Justice and used it to attack FDR. He joined

458
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 2: with an alliance of anti Roosevelt figures to stop the

459
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: president's re election campaign, campaigning alongside Huey Long, Reverend Gerald L. K. Smith,

460
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: and of course, Elizabeth Dilling. By the late thirties, she'd

461
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: become almost as in demand a speaker as him, and

462
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: was giving speeches several times a week at women's clubs,

463
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Speaker 2: veterans clubs, chambers of commerce, and other civic organizations around

464
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Speaker 2: the country. During the election, she often gave five speeches

465
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Speaker 2: a day. Now, by this point, she'd become a big

466
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Speaker 2: enough name that she was taking home fifty percent of

467
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Speaker 2: the money she collected during her talks, plus expenses and

468
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Speaker 2: an honorariums. She's she's doing okay, but this still isn't

469
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: big money by her standards. That said, Her motivation to

470
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 2: doing this is not financial. Primarily, it's because within the

471
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: very narrow window of what women ought to be doing

472
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: that she espoused, this was the path that allowed her

473
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Speaker 2: the most agency and fame. Right that she's not breaking

474
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Speaker 2: the rules, and probably because she's not taking too much money,

475
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 2: but this is like the most she gets to be

476
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Speaker 2: out in the world while pretending that she's still holding

477
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Speaker 2: to her values. About that sort of thing.

478
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Speaker 4: Is a Huey Long?

479
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Speaker 2: Is that?

480
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 4: The Kingfish guy?

481
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is about Huey he is. Yeah, he's a

482
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Speaker 2: Louisiana governor who is a fascinating figure.

483
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Speaker 1: Dare I say.

484
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 4: Certified side bastard?

485
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Side. Well, we're gonna he'll get his

486
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: episodes one of these days. He's been. There's just a

487
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: lot to say about all Huey. They don't make them

488
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: like that anymore in American politics, for better and for worse.

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Speaker 1: The Kingfish Yeah, I would say, so, yeah, oh.

490
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah. No, nobody like Huie and nobody like Uie.

491
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Speaker 2: It's a shame. I mean Hughey's last chapter especially, I

492
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: do wish more more politicians would take a take a

493
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: leaf out of the end of his career.

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Speaker 4: All right, it's time for the bastards on hueye.

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00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, so Amy Dies thesis does a good

496
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: job of describing how Elizabeth evolved as a speaker, using

497
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: lessons that she cripped from Father Coughlin's program as a rubric,

498
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dilling presented her speeches much like Coughlin's, full of

499
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Speaker 2: anguish and hateful words. Elizabeth would incorporate props into her speeches,

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Speaker 2: such as red banners, YWCA, songbooks, magazines, pamphlets, and of course, newspapers.

501
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: Elizabeth would sing songs about the so called Red menace

502
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: and ridiculed it at every opportunity. Her husband, Albert, but

503
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 2: a company, Dilling on the piano and pass out sheet

504
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: music to provoke the audience. A favorite of the audience

505
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: attending her speeches was Dillings and pression of Eleanor Roosevelt.

506
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: Elizabeth would speak at a Yiddish accent, ridiculing the First

507
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: Lady at every opportunity. Elizabeth's speeches would normally last around

508
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: two hours, and the audience loved every minute of it.

509
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: The audience sat rapidly, fearing it might miss a good

510
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 2: story or important reference. She was always careful to end

511
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: and often begin her lectures by acknowledging that again she

512
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: was quote just a woman with a mouth in her words,

513
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: and true to that. Her audiences were never as big

514
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 2: as the ones that Coughlin could draw, but she was

515
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: easily the most famous woman in far right politics for

516
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: her time, and while in big crowd for her was

517
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 2: seldom more than one hundred or two hundred people, her

518
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: fans were unusually dedicated. Dylan later recalled after one lecture,

519
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: about fifty people from the audience arose to pledge their

520
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: lives to Jesus as the antidote to communism. Wow, okay, yeah,

521
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: good stuff. Now. While father Coughlin became his own cottage

522
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: industry with a vast staff, Elizabeth continued to do all

523
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 2: of her own research in writing She is a one

524
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 2: woman shop. Her husband Albert was her only assistant, and

525
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: he helped so often that his real work suffered. Over time,

526
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: Despite her strongly stated belief that women should not work

527
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: and certainly shouldn't be the breadwinner of the family, her

528
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: work began to make up the bulk of the family income.

529
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: In nineteen thirty five, she'd started reaching out to one

530
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: of the most famous men in Chicago for help Charles R. Walgreen.

531
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: What business do we think Charles R. Walgreen was in

532
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: any guess? Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is the CBS guy.

533
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 2: You're right, You're right, you're the CVS guy. Bride aid, Yeah,

534
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: that's the right idea, Yes, yeah, yeah, I second Charles A.

535
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: Walgreen passed by mind that Walgreens was named after a

536
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: person for sure.

537
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah it's a guy. It's a guy starts as a bootlegger,

538
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, or basically because they needed a

539
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: way to legally sell people booze during Prohibition, and that's

540
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: where Walgreens got it start. Now, because Walgreen's niece attended

541
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: the University of Chicago, Elizabeth thought that he would be

542
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: willing to help her launch a war against Communism among

543
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: the school staff. And basically she goes to him and says,

544
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: do you know how many of these teachers are in

545
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: my book? The Red network is like card carrying socialists

546
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: and communist infiltrators. And Wargreen is horrified, and he indeed

547
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,239
Speaker 2: withdraws his niece from the college when Dilling shows him

548
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: how many professors were suspected communists. Now, one of the

549
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: men that she accused was Harold Swift, a president of

550
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: the board of trustees. She considered a cream puff type

551
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 2: of red quote, one of the millionaires who like to

552
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: play around with radicals. So again, this is not like

553
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: an actual political fire, Brad. This is like a rich

554
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: guy who's on the board of a big university. He's

555
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: just not a dick. But she says some Richmond turned

556
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: to booze, some to chorus girls, and others to communism.

557
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: When the revolution came, his throat would be slit. And

558
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: the communism is like, maybe we should pay teachers more

559
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: and stuff. I have a feeling that's more when she's

560
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: considering that evils position. Yeah, despite her dire claims, the

561
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: committee that investigated Swift found no reason to take action

562
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: against him. But Dilling was regularly successful in ruining careers

563
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: and launching waves of random hate and people she decided

564
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: were guilty of communism. And again there's a lot a

565
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: lot in common with like the modern anti progressive communist,

566
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: you know, fucking professor on campus crusade that's especially ignited.

567
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 4: It's like some Laura l type for real Laura Lumer type.

568
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: There's Bill Ackman in there. You know, some of this fucking, this.

569
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: Fear mongering around your university is in the education system.

570
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: But she's one of the first people on the right

571
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: to do that in an organized way and doing it

572
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: in a way that you could you could literally just

573
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: swap the names out. And it's the same way this

574
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: this reads today when people accused professors and stuff of this. Yeah,

575
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: Dylan was regularly successful in ruining people's careers, but like

576
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: her idle father Coughlin, she resolved the greatest effort of

577
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: her working life for the fight to unseat FDR. In

578
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: speeches that election the nineteen thirty six election, Dylling told

579
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: audiences of DAR members and rotarians that if FDR won

580
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: re election there would be zero chance another free election

581
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: ever taking place in the United States. And we can

582
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: see just how right she was.

583
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 4: God, she was prescient.

584
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, she really saw it all coming. That was the

585
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: end of democracy in America. While Coughlin was clearly a

586
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: power hungry opportunist willing to bend for the sake of

587
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: his own influence, Elizabeth pursued her political advocacy with the

588
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: feverish intensity of a true believer. She didn't just campaign

589
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: against FDR, she dedicated herself to finding his replacement. Now,

590
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: for some reason, she decided the best way to do

591
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: this was to sabotage the potential candidacy of another man

592
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: that she saw as just as bad as FDR. So

593
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: she decides, I have to make sure the right man

594
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: gets like in position to take down FDR. And the

595
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: best way to do that is to stop another guy

596
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: I think is even worse from becoming a candidate. And

597
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: the guy that she sees is even worse is like

598
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: a potential disastrous Republican presidential candidate in thirty six is

599
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 2: Senator William Borah of Idaho, and her fear was that

600
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: Senator Bora might win the Republican nomination, which would lead

601
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: to what she considered a communist versus communist general election. Right,

602
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: if Bora runs against FDR, it's just two communists on

603
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: the ballots. Let's take a look, Okay, as communist Senator

604
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: Elizabeth dedicated herself destroying William Edgar Bora had been born

605
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: the year the Civil War ended. He grew up in Kansas,

606
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: but moved to Idaho to practice law before he was

607
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: elected to the Senate in nineteen oh seven. He became

608
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 2: known as a progressive insurgent against President Taff's policies and

609
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: fought against both the Treaty of Versailles, and turned Calvin

610
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: Coolidge down when he offered to make Bora his running

611
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: mate in nineteen twenty four. Bora was mixed on the

612
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: New Deal, which is why he decided to run in

613
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty six. But this is also why Dilling saw

614
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: him as just as bad as FDR, because he's pro

615
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: New Deal, he just wants it to be somewhat different, right,

616
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: and so she's like, he's just still a communist now.

617
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: Bora also was supported of the ACLU and was in

618
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: favor of extending diplomatic recognition to the USSR, a country

619
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: that undeniably existed. All this added up to a communist

620
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: in Liz's book, like.

621
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Speaker 3: You that's a second, that's no go for her. He's

622
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: been over there. You can't have diplomatic relations with those you.

623
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: Can't acknowledge that they exist even though they do. It's

624
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 2: a very like this is that we're gonna do this

625
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: with fucking Taiwan for a huge part of like the

626
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: latter twentieth century, where we're just like, no, if you

627
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: want to talk to China, you have to talk to Taiwan,

628
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: and some people who are rational will be like But

629
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: like guys, you can feel however you want about the

630
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: civil war. But like, Taiwan is obviously not China. There's

631
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: a whole country. There's millions of people, hundreds of millions

632
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: of people living in China governing. We can't just pretend

633
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: this island speaks for all of them. That's stupid as shit.

634
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: But we did it for a long time.

635
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 4: I love it.

636
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna I don't know now, can't you tell meist?

637
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: If I don't say so, it's still Azar over there.

638
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: Shut up, it's a grown up.

639
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: It's really funny children. As I described from this is

640
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: Liz talking about Bora quote. Both the public and the

641
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: Chicago Tribune would call Bora the idol of Moscow. To

642
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: sway votes against Bora, Elizabeth wrote a pamphlet entitled Bora

643
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: from Within. The Grand Old Republic Party distributed five thousand

644
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: copies at its national convention in Cleveland. Soon after, Elizabeth

645
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: started taking credit for denying Bora the presidential nomination. After

646
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: basking in the glow of Bora's defeat, Elizabeth id another

647
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: presidential nominee whom she deemed as being unworthy. That person

648
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: would be none other than Kansas Governor Alfred M. Landon.

649
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: Elizabeth saw Alfred M. Landon as a night clerk trying

650
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: to appear as a serious candidate for the oval office.

651
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: Due to his apprehension, Landon had a hard time speaking

652
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: in front of a large crowd. Elizabeth feared that Roosevelt

653
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: would out talk Landon and therefore FDR would win the presidency.

654
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: I gotta give Liz credit for one thing, which is

655
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: she is right. Alfred Landon was a dog shit candidate

656
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: for the presidency, a terrible eye, especially against FDR. You

657
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: want to take maybe the man with the greatest natural

658
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: political instincts who's ever become a president of the United

659
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: dace States, and you put alf fucking Landon next to

660
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: his ass. Okay, yeah, yeah.

661
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 4: Just anybody that doesn't like speaking in front of crowds.

662
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: I have, Yeah, the guy who's scared of speaking of

663
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: crowds to fight a FDR in a fucking plitable cage match.

664
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: That'll work. That'll work. He's not charismatic, he's not the

665
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 2: most beloved man in American politics. So it eventually becomes

666
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: clear that Landon is going to win the Republican nomination,

667
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: and so Liz has no choice but to try and

668
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: help his campaign. Right, So she's like, Okay, I wanted

669
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: to stop him, but he's going to be it, so

670
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: I have to coax him into into seeming competent. This

671
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: was going would prove to be very difficult for her

672
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: because she doesn't know Alf Landon, and her incendiary speeches

673
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: and columns about what Landon should do have the effect

674
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: of just making him seem worse. Right, She's trying to

675
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: help the campaign, but all she does is attack him,

676
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: and it just makes him It just eats away at

677
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: his support base even more. The Dillings even named the dog,

678
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: who they find stupid and annoying, Landon, and that fact

679
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: tells you a lot that Like, but they named their

680
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: dog after a guy they hate, and also they hate

681
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 2: their dog.

682
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: Like they hate their dog.

683
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: You don't have to have it, you know that, right, Like,

684
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: if you hate the dog, you don't need that doesn't

685
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: need to be your dog.

686
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't have to mock You're like a kid. Yeah,

687
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 4: this confusing, This.

688
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: Is confusing, weird. I don't understand your choices. Yeah, but again,

689
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: it was land in your FDR. So Elizabeth and her

690
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: husband set to work finding a way to save him

691
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: from the Jewish people they believe were secretly running his campaign.

692
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: It was one of their kids there was, like, well,

693
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: Landon's not a great candidate, but all these Jews are

694
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: running his campaign and that's really hurting him. It's like, ah, man,

695
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: alf Landon, like Barack Obama himself could have like injected

696
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: alf Landon with the raw essence of his charisma, and

697
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: the sheer weight of Landon's anti charisma would have drowned

698
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: out the Obama cells. Or I don't that you know

699
00:35:59,239 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: what I'm getting.

700
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 4: There's no hope for this man.

701
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: There's no hope for this man. No one could have

702
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: made alf land And a president. That was simply not

703
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: possible until Hubert Humphrey. There was never a weaker fucking

704
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: candidate for the presidency. Yeah, so Albert, her husband, this

705
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: is Dylling's husband, gets a job with alf Landon's campaign

706
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 2: headquarters in Chicago. Because again they know that we don't

707
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: have any connections to Landon. So if we're going to

708
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: convince him that we know how he's got to win,

709
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: we need to get you, Albert. You have to get

710
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 2: your foot in the door and the Chicago campaign office.

711
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: And Albert does get a job for the land In campaign,

712
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: but as soon as he starts work on the first day,

713
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 2: he realizes something terrible. Both of his bosses are Jewish men.

714
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 2: That's gonna work for this guy. Here's die. She could

715
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: describe what happened next. Elizabeth was convinced that only over

716
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: confident executives supported Landon. Elizabeth made this assumption after she

717
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: and Albert dined with six executives who claimed they did

718
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: not need the campaign because Landon would win easily. She

719
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: complained that neither Landon nor Roosevelt discussed the real issue,

720
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: which was Marx versus Washington. After Roosevelt wanted Landed carried

721
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: only two states, Dylan Solis was to say, I told

722
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: you so. To the industrialists who had predicted Landon would win.

723
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: They got what they deserve. She said, two steaks. My god,

724
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: have some fucking self respect, alf Honestly, if you had

725
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: any self respective thing to do would be to like

726
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: watch one Roosevelt speech, like one of his fucking fireside chats,

727
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: and be like, now, I don't got this juice. I

728
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: simply don't have the juice to take this man out

729
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: like I'm now Landon. No one can blame me for

730
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: realizing this is beyond my abilities.

731
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 4: My name's alf Landon.

732
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm literally named alf Landon. You want me to go

733
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: up against this guy? He doesn't have legs and he's

734
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 2: kicking my ass, Like my.

735
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 4: God, he can run circles around me.

736
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like Jesus, just you have. There's a degree

737
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: of sympathy you have to have for like, oh, you

738
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: thought you could beat FDR in nineteen thirty six you

739
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 2: you so Dylan got out of the thirty sixth election

740
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: with at least more grace than her idol father Coughlin.

741
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: Coughlin had made the mistake of backing a third party,

742
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: the Union Party. This was an extension of an organization

743
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: that he had formed earlier that year, the National Union

744
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: for Social Justice. And just by the way, if you

745
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 2: want to think about, like what a shit show it

746
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: was when Biden dropped out at like the last possible

747
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: minute and the Democratic Party had to line up behind

748
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: a single candidate with just a couple of months before

749
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: the election. Coughlin tries to do that, but with starting

750
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 2: a new party in the last year of the year of.

751
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 4: The election, he's overestimating his own influence.

752
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: Here he is and again because Coughlin Dylan loves him,

753
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: but he's not the same ideologically as her. He is

754
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: a fascist, but he's not a pro capitalist fascist. There

755
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: are pro capitalist fascists and there are anti capitalist fascists.

756
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: And in fact, part of what the Night of Long

757
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: Knives was. One thing that happened in the Night of

758
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: Long Nimes in Nazi Germany is that they got rid

759
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: of the anti capitalist fascists. But in this day and age,

760
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: the Union of for Social Mess National Union for Social Justice,

761
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: and he loves the term not.

762
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 4: In line with her.

763
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: It isn't it isn't It isn't social justice. Number one.

764
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: It means a very different thing to Catholicism in this

765
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 2: time than it does when people use the term today.

766
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: People use social justice today, do not think of it

767
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: in a religious Social justice is a Catholic term in

768
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 2: this time and period, and very much is considered one.

769
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: It's something the Church cares a lot about, right and

770
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: but cares about from its standpoint. I'm not saying the

771
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: Catholic Church in the thirties is woke in amar.

772
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: This is you know what, Yeah, this is a good

773
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: clarification for me.

774
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Father Coughlin's Union Party is anti capitalist and

775
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: anti monopolist, right, because anti monopolism is like the most

776
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: the big populist interest at the time is like trust

777
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: busting in the US. If you are populist, you have

778
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: to be anti mini kind of regardless of whether you

779
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: come down. That's just the way things work in America

780
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: at this point in time. So again, the fact this

781
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: might sound like Coughlin is someone on the left, he's

782
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: not at all. He's just kind of going for the

783
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: big populist interest at the time, which include a lot

784
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: of trust busting. And Coughlin does add a shitload of

785
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: anti semitism in the mix, which makes it clear that

786
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: he is still just warming up a chunk of Nazi politics, right,

787
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: It's just a slightly different chunk than the one Dilling

788
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: finds appealing. And you know, obviously added to this mix,

789
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 2: he also puts a lot of hatred of the New Deal.

790
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: Per an article in the Bentley Historical Society Library of

791
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: the University of Michigan quote, the National Union for Social

792
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: Justice Team teamed up with Francis Townsend, an activist, and

793
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: Gerald L. K. Smith, an organizer and white supremacist to

794
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: form the Union Party. The express goal of the Union

795
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: Party was to unseat Roosevelt in the nineteen thirty six

796
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: presidential election. They put forward their own candidate, William Limkey,

797
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: hoping Limkey could draw enough votes away from Roosevelt to

798
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: allow alf Land and the Republican candidate to win. So again,

799
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: they're both trying to get Landon to win both her

800
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: and like Dilling and Coughlin, but they're doing it in

801
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: very different ways. Dilling is trying to support the Republican

802
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: Party the traditional way. Coughlin is trying to sabotage FDR's

803
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: campaign by drawing votes away from Roosevelt so that Landon wins.

804
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: That's what his hope for a third party is. Right now.

805
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: The problem is that Coughlin also not only does he

806
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: attach his name to this attempt, he makes a public

807
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 2: promise that if the Union Party doesn't get nine million

808
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: votes in November, he will retire from public life. If

809
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: I can't bring nine million votes to Limkey in November,

810
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: oh get off the air. You'll never hear from father

811
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: Coughlin again. Now, had Father Coughlin moved nine million votes,

812
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: that would have been twenty percent of the total votes

813
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: cast in nineteen thirty six, which is a hell. No

814
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: one's ever had that kind of popularity. Fucking Joe Rogan

815
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 2: could never have come twenty percent of the electorate moved

816
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 2: because of his fucking actions. Father Coughlin is not even

817
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: coming close to this right, he fumbles historically the Union Party.

818
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 2: He can't even get a million votes. Very funny now,

819
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: because he'd promised. Father Coughlin does briefly quit his radio show,

820
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: although he comes back like two months later something like that.

821
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: Never I never said I'd go away forever, he said.

822
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: I said I'd go with forever, and I was going to.

823
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: But then a friend of mine who just died on

824
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: his deathbed, his last wish was that I start being

825
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 2: on the radio again. What could I do. I'm not

826
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: gonna say no to my friend's dying.

827
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: Wish, Robert, Katie and Robert, I promise my dying wish

828
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: will not be that you do more podcasts.

829
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: No, Sophie's dying wish was that I get eleven million

830
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: dollars to spend on Heroin. You know, she always said,

831
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: I hope Robert gets eleven million dollars for Heroin. But

832
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 2: I did always did eleven.

833
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: Million dollars for Robert's joy of Choice.

834
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 4: I know, very generous of you and your death.

835
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, anyway, Heroin, it's good for It's not, but

836
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 2: it is time. I mean, it's better than today's true fitting.

837
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: All these kids are doing fucking Heroin's basically oh zimbit

838
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: compared to that shit. Anyway, here's ads. We're back. Probably

839
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: shouldn't be comparing Heroin to a Zimbic. We still want

840
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: to get that sweet sweet o Zimbic money, Oh Zimbic.

841
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 2: I don't know much about whether or not it's good

842
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: for you, actually, so I feel weird about advertising.

843
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: So we stay neutral around here.

844
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: It seems like we need more longitudinal data before I'm

845
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: going to be doing that.

846
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like I'm.

847
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: Not against it.

848
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm not against drugs that help people. I'm against advertising

849
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: drugs that I can't vouch for.

850
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Like dick pills are one thing

851
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: I just worry about, like encouraging everyone to take that

852
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: shit when we don't know enough about it yet.

853
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: We also like but hair loss drugs ads because we

854
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: know that shit doesn't work.

855
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 2: No, no, I think it does now? Is the weird

856
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 2: Like I don't. I didn't want to do hair loss

857
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: ads because like when I was a kid, alex joke

858
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: like that was always the thing that meant something was shady.

859
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: But I think, like the there are actual hair lost

860
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: solutions now that are shit like. But I'm not super

861
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: knowledgeable about that world, as you can tell by my head.

862
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: Of hand, Like what's that like my monoxidil or whatever,

863
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: monococ Yeah, I think it.

864
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: Is real, right, Like they're real stuff there. Yeah, anyway, whatever,

865
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: do whatever you want. Your gender affirming care is your

866
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: gender affirming care. Just look at it that way. That's

867
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: what a bald miss care is for men.

868
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 4: Just don't blame me.

869
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what testosterone supplements are for, you know, like

870
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: fucking RFK Junior who wants to stay swollen his sixties

871
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: even though he can't fucking do a proper bench press,

872
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: my god, man, Like Jesus, sorry, embarrassment is fun, that's yeah.

873
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: So Father Coughlin quits his radio show, and then he's like, oh,

874
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: my friend's dying wish was that I would be racist

875
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: on radio one last time. So he goes back. But

876
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: Coughlin can't go back to the simple life of a

877
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: radio priest who made anti Semitic propaganda anymore. He's got

878
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: the politics bug now and he can't quit. So he

879
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: starts complaining on the air that the Vatican has been

880
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: infiltrated by Communist agents. Now here's the thing. I'm not

881
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: an expert on Catholicism, but my understanding of the way

882
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: it works is that if you are a Catholic priest,

883
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: the Pope is your boss, and like any employment situation,

884
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to just like get out in front

885
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 2: of the media and say my boss is being manipulated

886
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: by communists. Secretly, your boss might get pissed at you

887
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: because you're not supposed to be talking shit like that.

888
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: You're a subordinate to the to the Pope, right, and

889
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 2: to these other Anyway, Father Coughlin is getting out of pocket,

890
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: and he's pissing off the rest of the Catholic hierarchy,

891
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: and he is accountable to that hierarchy. He's not a

892
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: free agent. No Catholic priest is if they want to

893
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: continue being a Catholic priest. It's kind of an important

894
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 2: fact about how can fall on. So this sparks a

895
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: chain of events that leads to Father Coughlin having his

896
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: operating permit revoked and being taken off the air for

897
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: another few months. And when he's taken off the air

898
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: for the second time, Elizabeth Dillon feels his loss keenly.

899
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 2: She was convinced that her fave had only suffered so

900
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: because Communist agents had infiltrated the United States. She formed

901
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: the Patriotic Research Bureau, an organization dedicated to clearing Father

902
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: Coughlin's name. She was its only member and put out

903
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: a monthly bulletin to her mailing list. As always, she

904
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: solicited donation. No, I mean she has a lot of readers,

905
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: she's the only like, yeah, and she solicits donations because

906
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 2: she's got all these Like anyone who's ever been interested

907
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: in her shit, she has their address and she'll just

908
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 2: mail them shit and if they want to send her money,

909
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: they'll send money back. And that's kind of what keeps

910
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: your going. It's a proto Patreon type thing, right.

911
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 4: I was going to say a little Patreon exactly.

912
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: Dilling herself was very open about the small donations that

913
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: kept her in business, and when you read her description

914
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 2: of the things that fans sent her, it does sound

915
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: weirdly like a modern like, right, wing crowdfunding kind of deal. Quote,

916
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 2: one woman who's in and this is Liz talking. One

917
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: woman who's income was forty dollars a month and he

918
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: was going blind, sold one hundred dollars bond for seventy

919
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: seven dollars and sent seventy five to Dilling. An elderly

920
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: man who worked as a cement mixer sent her one

921
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: hundred dollars and left everything he owned to Dilling and

922
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: his will. Right, this is kind of how she should

923
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: she like puts out what people are saying, right, because

924
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: she's this is partly advertising exactly what you're saying.

925
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, no, sorry, yeah, and she interjected to

926
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: this is shameful.

927
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: The reason she's saying it this way is that, like, so,

928
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: if you're sick and going blind and only have a

929
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: little bit of money, you should send it to me,

930
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: because you know you care about this country, right, give

931
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: me everything you've got.

932
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: You know.

933
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: It is very much like that give till it hurts

934
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: evangelical impulse.

935
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, cleanse your soul by giving me all your money.

936
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Uh so, yeah, she urged her

937
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: Catholic followers. One of the other things I find funny,

938
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: So She's not just solictening for donations in a early

939
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: modern crowdfunding way, she said, attempting to like weaponize and

940
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: turn her audience into a tool for her activism in

941
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: a very modern way. She starts urging her readers who

942
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 2: are Catholics to send letters to the Vatican, to flood

943
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: the Vatican with letters, and a number of them do

944
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: because she prints a form letter with like her monthly

945
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: issue of the Bulletin, that they can just fill out

946
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: and send to the Vatican. This form letter read quote,

947
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: Holy Father, we plead for our father Coughlin, have him

948
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: continue his radio broadcast in the same heartfelt way, not

949
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: incensored platitudes which defeat the dignity God bestowed on man,

950
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: but as an alter Christus, fearless and outspoken, going about

951
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: doing his father's business, spreading the doctrine of the mystical body,

952
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: a brotherhood of man with the fatherhood in God, to

953
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: confute the atheistic communism and other godlessisms. To continue to

954
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: espouse the cause of the poor, for the rich have

955
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: ample means. Holy Father, many of us were tricked by

956
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: artful propaganda, but now we humbly ask Your Holiness to

957
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: give us back our father Coughlin, as he should be

958
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: free and unrestrained in preaching the doctrine of Christ to

959
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: the poor and to all who will listen. That's the

960
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: form letter she puts together for these people. And today

961
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 2: I don't think the Vatican would respond to a handful

962
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: of form letters being sent from some American pranks. But

963
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 2: this was the late thirties. The idea that American Catholics

964
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: could write letters and have them reliably reached the Vatican

965
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: in just a couple weeks, that's a pretty new idea

966
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 2: in the nineteen thirties, Brandon, people have not been able

967
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: to just send a letter to the Vatican for a

968
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: very long time. That's a really new concept. And the

969
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: Church has zero experience dealing with a fan write in campaign.

970
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: No one really has experienced with fan write in campaigns.

971
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: And that's what this amounted to. If you wanted to

972
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: like why Star Trek is a thing, it's because they

973
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: organized after Star Trek got canceled the original series, one

974
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: of the first fan write in campaigns, and like, no

975
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: one had been I mean technically there had been some

976
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: things like that before, but it hadn't really ever happened before.

977
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 2: And so for the first time watch a studio suit

978
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: See like fans sending in letters about a show are like,

979
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 2: wait a second, is there money in this?

980
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 5: You know?

981
00:49:59,320 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: Right?

982
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: And it's a similar thing here where like the Vatican

983
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: is like, whoa, this must really mean a lot of

984
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 2: people are pissed off at what we've did. If four

985
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: or five letters have showed up been the Vatican, I

986
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: don't know how many show up any right, seems like

987
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: a lot back then because the Church has no experience

988
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 2: dealing with this sort of shit. So the pupe folds,

989
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: or at least someone in the Vatican folds, and by

990
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: December of nineteen thirty seven, it was okayed for Father

991
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: Coughlin to take to the airwaves again. In January of

992
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty eight. Everyone was thrilled when he returned, and

993
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 2: in short order he forms a fascist club called the

994
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: Christian Front, which kind of sounds like a militia and

995
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: that it describes itself like Father Coughlin described it as

996
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: a literal crusade against anti Christian elements and American culture. Now,

997
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: is it not?

998
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 4: Did I hate that this kind of wash? I think? Okay?

999
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: He was. He was on the edge of trying to

1000
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: frame it as a militia. Sure, but he doesn't. He

1001
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: has to kind of pull back on this because not

1002
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: long after he introduces the Christian Front in nineteen thirty eight,

1003
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 2: Christal Knocked happens, like the Nazis do Christalnoch in Germany,

1004
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: and there's mobs burning synagogues, breaking Jewish buildings, murdering people

1005
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: in the street, all sorts of a horrific shit, and

1006
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: the world's conscience is shocked. This is widely reported on

1007
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: and people are horrified, in part because folks like Elizabeth

1008
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: Dillon had been saying there's no racism in Nazi Germany.

1009
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: They're just having to defend themselves periodically against the violence

1010
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: of the Jews. But it's entirely defensive, and this krystal

1011
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: knock makes it impossible to continue that lie. Right afterwards,

1012
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: the owner of Coughlin's main station demanded to take an

1013
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: early look at the script for his next broadcast, like

1014
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: the day after Christallknock. This guy's like, we need to

1015
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: look at what he's going to put out before we

1016
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: let that probably, And sure enough he finds the script

1017
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 2: filled with angry and insane allegations against the Jewish people,

1018
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 2: and he demanded changes. Father Coughlin did alter the script,

1019
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: but in his final broadcast he still claimed that Christallnock

1020
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 2: hadn't been anyone's fault really, or at least it hadn't

1021
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: been any Christians fault, and so it wasn't something any

1022
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: Americans should concern themselves over. His attitude was more like,

1023
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,479
Speaker 2: this is just a natural reaction and part of because

1024
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: of all the bad things the Jews have done. But

1025
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: you know, to whatever, you could blame, maybe the government

1026
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: of Germany for it has nothing to do with Christianity,

1027
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: and it's nothing Americans should be concerned by. And you

1028
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 2: shouldn't feel bad for these Jews, really, you know, that's

1029
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: kind of his attitude. He's a massive piece of shit.

1030
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 2: He's one of the worst people who ever lived. Now,

1031
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: this makes a lot of people very angry, but not

1032
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: Liz Dilling. She fucking loves Father cough However, she soon

1033
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: had to devote her time to less enjoyable things. The

1034
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: nineteen forty elections were coming up, and once again Dilling

1035
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: intended to do her part to replace FDR with a

1036
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 2: proper nationalists. The fact that another World War was obviously

1037
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: coming made the concern even more immediate Elizabeth couldn't bear

1038
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: to see the United States opposed Nazi Germany in nineteen

1039
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 2: thirty eight, she actually visited Germany, attending the Nuremberg Rally

1040
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: that year, and love she goes to a fucking Nuremberg rally.

1041
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: Liz Dilling, Oh yeah, oh yeah, she could not be

1042
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: just the Nazist Nazi whoever Nazi this lady. It's very funny.

1043
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 2: One of my favorite things, because Liz Dilling, her writing

1044
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 2: is still somewhat popular among the far right today. In fact,

1045
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 2: like to this on eleven or so fucking Glenn Beck

1046
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: quoted her on his show and trying to get people

1047
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: to read. I think it was the Red Network. So

1048
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: she periodically comes back up. But you can find her

1049
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: writing on like outright neo Nazi websites, And I've read

1050
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 2: some articles from actual modern Nazis who will criticize her

1051
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: by being like she didn't actually know anything about national

1052
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: socialist ideology, like she was not knowledgeable about the tenets

1053
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: of national socialism. And they're right about this, like Liz,

1054
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: I know more about Nazism than Liz Dillon ever did, right,

1055
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: Like she she is not well read about what the

1056
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: Nazis believe, because all that matters to her is that

1057
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: they hate the Jews and the Communists, right, Like, That's

1058
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 2: that's what really matters about Nazism, you know. So Liz

1059
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 2: was never a Nazi in the sense that she actually

1060
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: understood a lot of what Hitler wanted. But she was

1061
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 2: a Nazi in the more important sense that she understood

1062
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 2: all that Hitler really needed her to understand about him,

1063
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: which is, you know, these people hate Jews and Communists, right,

1064
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: you know, that's it. After World War Two started in

1065
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty nine, agents of the German state in the

1066
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: US tried to use Liz as a voice, and she

1067
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: was invited to speak at the German American Booned gatherings

1068
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: that year, while she extoed the virtues of the Germany

1069
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: that she had briefly seen. As the next presidential election

1070
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: wound closer, Liz again readied herself for feverish activity. Unfortunately,

1071
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: there were again no Republicans her met with her approval.

1072
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: Thomas Dewey had prosecuted the leader of the German American Booned,

1073
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: and Robert A. Taft had worked for the AFL as

1074
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: a lawyer. Arthur Vandenberg, a conservative Michigan Senator Dilling otherwise

1075
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: liked backed the hated New Deal. Bereft of hope, Elizabeth

1076
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: pinned an essay about her breathless desire for a presidential

1077
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: man on a white horse. This is like one of

1078
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: the very first and you'll see bits of this today,

1079
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: like American conservatives yearning for like an American Pinochet or

1080
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: an American Caesar. Elizabeth's the first person to really write

1081
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: this out in a very direct way where she says, God,

1082
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: all we need is our own sexy, charismatic fascist. If

1083
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 2: only we had a Hitler. That's really She's the first

1084
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: right winger in America to write and if only we

1085
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: had a Hitler piece. And I'm going to quote from

1086
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 2: Dye's thesis here. She proclaimed in her essay that there

1087
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 2: had to be a better candidate out there who could

1088
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: defeat Roosevelt. Elizabeth encouraged the Democratic nominee to step forward

1089
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: and let it be known that he could end communism

1090
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 2: single handedly. The public enjoyed her so much that they

1091
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: felt encouraged to take up arms and look for a

1092
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: better presidential candidate. Eventually, Elizabeth came to terms, as she

1093
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 2: did in the nineteen thirty six election, that she must

1094
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: support the candidate who opposed Roosevelt without any type of enthusiasm.

1095
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: Dillan supported Wendell L. Wilkie for president. And this doesn't work.

1096
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 2: You know, the situation is about as dire as it

1097
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: can be for Liz. You know, democracies hanging in the ballance.

1098
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: And so Elizabeth knows what she has to do. The

1099
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: only thing that could possibly defeat FDR's political machine and

1100
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: save the United States she has to write a book

1101
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 2: so racist she can only publish it under a pseudonym.

1102
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: It's the only way to win, the only way to

1103
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 2: save America. Something I put my own country. Yeah, I

1104
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: got a hunger down and write a book so racist

1105
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 2: that in nineteen forty I don't feel safe putting my

1106
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: name is a white woman on it.

1107
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 3: Beautiful perfect no notes also the self hatred in that

1108
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 3: as well of people will take it more seriously under

1109
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 3: some other name. Probably I'm assuming she chose a man's name. Wow, yes, yes,

1110
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 3: did I choose I'm assuming correctly.

1111
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: So. The Octopus was billed as an expose of the

1112
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 2: shadowy network of influence behind the New Deal in Roosevelt. Now,

1113
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: when you hear Octopus and the title of something written

1114
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: by an anti Semite anyone who knows they're Nazi political

1115
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: cartoons things of this image. Sobey's gonna put it on

1116
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: screen right now. There's a few versions of this political cartoon,

1117
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: but these are all political cartoons from Nazi Germany that

1118
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: feature usually like a globe and then an octopus that's

1119
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 2: like reaching its tentacles out over the world, and there's

1120
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 2: like a star of David on the octopus's head or

1121
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: over the octopus, and the octopus like has a face.

1122
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: It's like a caricature of a Jewish man. Sometimes there's

1123
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: a few variants of this you'll see, right, but it's

1124
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: like octopus, an octopus meant to sort of represent the

1125
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: extensive Jewish conspiracy.

1126
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 3: Right.

1127
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Dylan's book The Octopus was in fact so

1128
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: racist that the name she the fake name she picked.

1129
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: She can't just go with even a normal fake name.

1130
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: She has to make it the fake name of a

1131
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 2: religious leader so that maybe people won't find it as racist.

1132
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: So her pseudonym is the Reverend Frank Woodruff Johnson. Okay, yeah,

1133
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: that'll make people ignore the racist friend Frank Woodruff Johnson.

1134
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: As I explains, quote, when people wrote to Dilling with

1135
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: questions about the Jewish faith, she often referred them to

1136
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: Johnson's fine book. The Jews can never prove that I'm

1137
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 2: anti Semitic, she said, I'm too clever for them. I

1138
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: think I think, I think I might be able to

1139
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: prove your anti semitic. That sentence, for example, does a

1140
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 2: good job alone? Does it? Yeah?

1141
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1142
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 2: That really, that's really all I gotta do. Yeah, that's

1143
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: the Bechdel cast for anti Semitism right there, the Bechdel test. Yeah. Uh.

1144
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: Dialing arranged for Hudson, a Jew bating pamphleteer in Omaha, Nebraska,

1145
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: to distribute her book. For an idea of how bad

1146
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: the book was. I'm just going to read you one

1147
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: brief snippet from the text. Did Americans get a truthful

1148
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: impression from the press about the communist, socialist, anarchist church

1149
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 2: burning Spanish government strongly favored by Jewry. This is her

1150
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 2: part of her talking about, like during the Spanish Civil War,

1151
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: how like the list like anarchists and kind of left

1152
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: wing elements would like light Catholic churches on fire because

1153
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 2: in part they were also opposing the Catholic Church was

1154
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 2: backing the Franko whist regime, and she's divorcing all of

1155
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: that from its historical context and just saying the Jews

1156
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: did it. The je Jews part all the churches. Yeah,

1157
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: and also just that like the church burning's favored by jewry.

1158
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 2: We took a poll and they all love it. In

1159
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: a shock turn of events, the Octobus was not a

1160
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: best seller and did not impact the election in any way.

1161
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: The United States entered World War Two, no matter how

1162
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 2: much Father Coughlin and Liz Dillings shouted that it shouldn't.

1163
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: Liz was also an active member of the America First

1164
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: Committee and helped to found the Mother's Movement, which was

1165
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: a protest campaign that was like a last minute attempt

1166
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,479
Speaker 2: to try to shame America into not entering the war

1167
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 2: against the Nazis. And here's how Lillian Greenwald describes the

1168
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: Mother's Movement that this is like kind of her last

1169
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,479
Speaker 2: big hurrah at trying to create a political movement. Here's

1170
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: how Lillian Greenwall describes the protests that they took part

1171
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty one. This was for an article on

1172
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: fascism in America. Under Miss Dilling's guidance, the Mothers promptly

1173
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 2: went on a rampage. While Congress was considering matters of

1174
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: grave importance to our national destiny, they were exploiting all

1175
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 2: the techniques of mass pressure with a few womanly frills

1176
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: of their own. They deluged congressmen with pleas, threats, imprecations,

1177
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 2: and cajolery by way of letters, telegrams, petitions, and personal visits. Alternatively,

1178
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: as it suited their purpose, they dabbed genteely at their

1179
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 2: eyes with delicate white handkerchiefs, or howled lustily in burlesque heartbreak.

1180
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 2: In August of nineteen forty, more than one hundred Detroit

1181
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: and Cleveland mothers descended on Washington, where, in a Roman

1182
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 2: holiday spirit, they hanged Senator Claude Pepper and effigy. Later

1183
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: swathed in funeral garments, they established a death watch over

1184
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 2: the Senate while it debated the conscription bill. The mothers

1185
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 2: were excluded from the Senate gallery, but allowed to use

1186
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: the Senate reception hall. Their major coup was the Mother's

1187
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 2: Crusade against seventeen seventy six, a demonstration which sought to

1188
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: prevent the passage of the Lynn Lease Bill. In February

1189
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: March nineteen forty one, marshaled by missdialing with Charles B. Hudson,

1190
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: editor of the rabid antisemitic dope sheet America in Danger

1191
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: stage managing behind the scenes, about five hundred and battled

1192
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 2: mothers stormed the halls of Congress.

1193
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 3: Wow, so yeah, that's a lot of histrionics, the theatric,

1194
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 3: it's really yeah, and.

1195
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: She's just trying helping no one. No one can critique

1196
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: a mother for being concerned about their sons dying, you know,

1197
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: and using that to like, you're not concerned about people dying.

1198
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 2: You're concerned about people stopping Hitler. That's what this is,

1199
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 2: that's about.

1200
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 3: And you don't actually care about their sons fighting in

1201
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 3: a war at all.

1202
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 4: You just don't want And.

1203
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 2: There's entertain there's a beautiful moment. You can tell how

1204
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: much this pisses people off. Senator Carter Glass, who's like

1205
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: a Southern senator, and it's like this very much like

1206
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: a Southern hospitality. Pull the test, Kiti, You're never supposed

1207
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 2: to be like rude, especially to women in public. He

1208
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: gets he gets asked about these protests and he's like,

1209
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 2: I believe it would be put in it to inquire

1210
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 2: whether they are mothers. I don't believe these are moms.

1211
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: Let's check it out.

1212
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 4: Great quote.

1213
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 2: Once the US entered World or two, Dilan continued to

1214
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 2: speak out against it, to crying rationing and blaming the

1215
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: Jews for everything. She was ultimately charged under the Smith

1216
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 2: Act for sedition in July of nineteen forty two. Oh

1217
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 2: This was part of the unfortunately short lived Brown Scare,

1218
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 2: in which the federal government briefly turned its efforts to

1219
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 2: finding and prosecuting fascist sympathizers. The resulting trial, Usvwinrod included

1220
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 2: twenty six defendants, and Dilling lost top billing to another

1221
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 2: fascist we've discussed on this show. She denied trying to

1222
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 2: incite a mutiny in the armed forces by distributing fascist propaganda,

1223
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: and in nineteen forty four the case expanded to charging

1224
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: the defendants for their involvement in a worldwide Nazi movement.

1225
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 2: The charges were dismissed in nineteen forty six because the

1226
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 2: evidence that they'd actually violated US law was pretty weak. Unfortunately,

1227
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 2: the long term effect of the Brown Scare was per

1228
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: Christine Erickson to give a government stamp of approval for

1229
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 2: targeting unpopular dissidents who had disagreed with the political status quo,

1230
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 2: thereby helping to set the stage from the Karthi witch hunt,

1231
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 2: and that they did right. Scary, it doesn't amount too much.

1232
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 2: The Red Scare uses the Brown Scare some of the

1233
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 2: precedent head set to go after the opposite kind of people.

1234
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Stilling's work was cited during the Red Scare by

1235
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 2: Joseph McCarthy repeatedly, and in the post war period, she

1236
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 2: predictably became a vociferous Holocaust and I are not super shocking, right,

1237
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 2: not shocking at all? Good stuff.

1238
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 4: Oh god, everything's so depressing.

1239
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: It's again, how little things changed, all the little things like, yeah, predictable,

1240
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: everything's done.

1241
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 4: I've heard that before. Yeah, a Holocaust and I are okay.

1242
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 2: Holocaust are Yeah, she gets it. She gets into that

1243
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 2: growth industry.

1244
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 3: I certainly understand at this point in time. How Actually,

1245
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 3: I don't really understand how people can be Holocaust deniers.

1246
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 4: I don't, but I understand that they are at this point.

1247
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 3: However, immediately after the Holocaust, how does Holocaust denial land

1248
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 3: with people?

1249
01:03:58,600 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 4: Not good?

1250
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 2: Convenient? It's easy, Yeah, it's convenient, it's easy. Yeah. Most

1251
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: of her life is not that interesting. After this point,

1252
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 2: she does write a book even more racist than the Octopus,

1253
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: which you can still find in Nazi bookstores and telegram

1254
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 2: channels to this day.

1255
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 4: Is it even more racist than the Octopus?

1256
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, even more racist than the Octopus? Racist and even

1257
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 2: more racist her two books. One of her favorite conspiracy

1258
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 2: theories later in life is that Eisenhower, Dwight Eisenhower was

1259
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 2: a secret Jew. He's Heidi.

1260
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 5: Kay.

1261
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. She also include JFK's New Frontier of being the

1262
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 2: Jew Frontier, So, you know, great, real creative.

1263
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 3: At the end of her life, she seriously wouldn't hill

1264
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 3: on Twitter these days.

1265
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. By the end of her days, Liz couldn't even

1266
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 2: support Barry Goldwater because his running mate had been a

1267
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 2: prosecutor at Nuremberg. She's too much of a fascist for

1268
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 2: Barry Goldwater.

1269
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 4: You know what's cool. There's hateful person, You guys know

1270
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 4: what's really cool. Though she's dead.

1271
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 2: She is dead. She thirtieth nineteen sixty six and Lincoln, Nebraska.

1272
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 5: Yep, hope it hurt.

1273
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, fingers crossed.

1274
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 4: Geez Yep, Liz, I just flipped my pencil. I know,

1275
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 4: I saw frustration.

1276
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw Katie getting angry and angry.

1277
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's frustrating.

1278
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 4: But she is dead, so there is that, but it

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Speaker 4: does feel like her spirit lives on in far too

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Speaker 4: many people.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: And it is depressing always yep to see how little

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Speaker 3: has changed, the.

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Speaker 4: Attacks, the phrasing of the attacks, the lies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, it's cool. I love it. Well, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Where can people find you online?

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Speaker 4: Thank you for asking. You can find me over at

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Speaker 4: some more news and even more news.

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Speaker 3: We do a few shows a week with Cody Johnston.

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Speaker 3: We've got a Patreon live streams sometimes. Now get in

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Speaker 3: the hang of it. Yeah, it's fun, it's fun, it's new,

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Speaker 3: it's different.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how people do it every day. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but it feels like a party. So check us out.

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Speaker 4: Look at our socials and you'll see when we're live

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Speaker 4: streaming and it's fun.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, we'll check that out. And uh yeah, check

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Speaker 2: out this podcast. Next week we'll have someone else for you,

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Speaker 2: you know, hopefully who isn't this person? Definitely who isn't

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Speaker 2: this person? But I don't know it'll be I can't read.

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Speaker 4: I don't know I would come back.

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Speaker 2: What is this my podcast? All right? We'll find if

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Speaker 2: we're done, anyone, go go away, hy.

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