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Speaker 1: to two on the Pelicans, Heat close out the Hawks,

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Speaker 1: Grizzlies up three two on the Wolves, Bowls Bucks tonight,

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Speaker 1: Nuggets at the Warriors. If you didn't follow the NBA

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Speaker 1: during the regular season, you probably weren't aware of the

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Speaker 1: jump that John Morant has made in his game. Last night,

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Speaker 1: he put all those skills on display. The Grizzlies were

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Speaker 1: down double digits less than seven minutes to go. John

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Speaker 1: Moran scored eighteen in the fourth quarter, leading the grizz

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Speaker 1: past the Timberwolves. He'd finished with thirteen rebounds, nine assists,

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Speaker 1: and thirty points. And if that wasn't enough, he had

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Speaker 1: an unbelievable dunk that sounded like this, Brooks, I have.

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Speaker 1: That's the play of the day. The game winning layup

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Speaker 1: is what I have. Oh wow, that would have been great.

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Speaker 1: It would have seemed like we had planned this out.

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Speaker 1: My bad. Maybe next time. John Moran has one of

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Speaker 1: the best dunks in the past generation. Yeah you can

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Speaker 1: hear that. That was really just a tease. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: that's play of the day. Yeah, I know, But Okay,

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Speaker 1: I could have still played it and then had it

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Speaker 1: as play of the day. How about we re enacted, Um,

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Speaker 1: let's see, Uh, how do I do to do play

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Speaker 1: by play? And then we could be the character actors?

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Speaker 1: Are you going to be the crown? It would have

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Speaker 1: sounded something like this, John rand in the lane over,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe that's one of the greatest postseason dunk's error.

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Speaker 1: You gotta get in it. I mean, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: Consider top ten dramatic reenactment of a place sounds pretty good? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you kidding me? I don't believe what

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Speaker 1: I do. So half man, half bird. That was Vince Carter, Like,

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Speaker 1: everybody's going crazy over this dunk. And look, it's a

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Speaker 1: great dunk. It's a it's a postseason dunk. But you're

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Speaker 1: they want to call it the greatest dunk they've ever seen,

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Speaker 1: and I just would say, maybe not. There's a few

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Speaker 1: other ones. And the reason why I would probably bring

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Speaker 1: in other dunks there. Uh, you know, for arguing points

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Speaker 1: when you dunk on somebody, you truly dunk on them,

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Speaker 1: is when they go up to try to block your shot.

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Speaker 1: When John Starks dunked and that was on all the balls.

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Speaker 1: That's a big dunk. kJ Kevin Johnson dunked on a

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Speaker 1: chim Elijah on one of the two or three best

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Speaker 1: given up eight inches there too, a chemilaj one that

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Speaker 1: was a great dunk. There's been so many great dunk

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Speaker 1: with with the dunk, you know Malik Beasley is just

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Speaker 1: it's not like Vince Carter jumped over a seven foot

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Speaker 1: or Frederick Weiss and dunked in the Olympics. But this

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Speaker 1: is you know, it's a great play, explosive play, but

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Speaker 1: also help them win the game. That's the most important

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Speaker 1: part with this. But there's so many dunks in NBA

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Speaker 1: history and even postseason history where somebody challenges you. That's

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Speaker 1: when you dunk on somebody, you dunk. Oh, John Morant

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Speaker 1: dunked over Malik Beasley. He didn't dunk on him, he

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Speaker 1: dunked over him. Yeah. Did you say in the morning,

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Speaker 1: meaning you would consider calling a charge on job whatever?

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Speaker 1: Can IgE said it the other way? We're looking We're

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Speaker 1: looking at the video and I go, is that a charge?

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Speaker 1: And Seeton goes, you can't call charge? There? Can we

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Speaker 1: reenact what that call would sound like? The crowd would

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Speaker 1: be vastly different. Okay, John Morant down the lane and

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Speaker 1: du they called a charge? Uh. John Moran is just

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Speaker 1: twenty two years of age. You know, you're just seeing

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Speaker 1: somebody emerge as his star. You know, when he came

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Speaker 1: you rather have Zion or John Morant? And I said

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Speaker 1: John Morant because I thought that I could get longevity

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Speaker 1: out of him. I thought Zion's body he would turn

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Speaker 1: on him, and well we've seen some of that. Plus

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Speaker 1: John Morant's more exciting when you think about it. John

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Speaker 1: Morant in game I still think the best highlight that

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Speaker 1: he's had of his career when he went up to

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Speaker 1: block that shot, like he went up and caught it,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, oh my god, it looked like you

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Speaker 1: know where you're seeing cgi where you're going. That little

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Speaker 1: shot that to me was you know, as impressive, if

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Speaker 1: not more so, than this dunk that he had last night.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you look around the NBA, you know

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Speaker 1: they're in good hands with young talent here. Minnesota is

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Speaker 1: a fun team. You know, they're they're they're kind of

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Speaker 1: another thing. John Moran is not the most improved player

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Speaker 1: in the NBA. He won the award Desmond Baine, his teammate,

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Speaker 1: who nobody knew. Oh that's the guy who deserved most improved.

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Speaker 1: John Moran is a great player. Oh yes, Marve, can

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Speaker 1: we stop with giving them most improved players? To lottery picks?

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Speaker 1: John Moran is the second overall pick. I know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: i'd agree. Where did Desmond band go to school? Okay

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Speaker 1: me neither? I don't know. I think that you know

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Speaker 1: who could get most improved next year? A former number

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Speaker 1: one pick, Ben Simmons. He played eighty two more games

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Speaker 1: he has a previous season, Bens improved. I'm already starting

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Speaker 1: the campaign Ben Simmons most improved player next year? Alrighty

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Speaker 1: whole question today? Man, what happened to the show. We're

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Speaker 1: not even ten minutes in. We're on fire. Dang all right,

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Speaker 1: well might as well. This one's gonna seem like it's

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Speaker 1: completely out of the blue, but it kind of goes

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Speaker 1: with what we're saying, Who's gonna have a better season

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Speaker 1: next year? Who John Morand or Trey Young uh Tree trade?

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Speaker 1: Tray had a bad couple of weeks. Here, give me

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Speaker 1: the question again. I said, Who's going to have a

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Speaker 1: better season next year? John Morand or Trey Young? Uh

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Speaker 1: well trade led the league in scoring and assist He

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Speaker 1: of turnovers. He got roughed up. I mean, Miami went

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Speaker 1: after him a lot of times, and he's not getting

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Speaker 1: the calls that he wants got Him and Harden are

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Speaker 1: being officiated differently, or maybe they're being officiated like everybody

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Speaker 1: else is, and we've seen we've seen that have an

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Speaker 1: impact on their game. I would say John Morand. The

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Speaker 1: one question I have or concern about John Morand is

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Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to keep attacking the

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Speaker 1: rim at that size. Now, in a different era, he

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Speaker 1: would have gotten knocked on his rear end a few times.

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Speaker 1: They would not put up with any of that nonsense.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jordans stopped attacking because they were They foul

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Speaker 1: him hard and then Mike would Eventually they just set

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Speaker 1: to school, hitting those little turnaround jumpers. You know, job Morant,

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Speaker 1: I developed the outside game a little bit. I think

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Speaker 1: that'll help because I don't think you can keep attacking,

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Speaker 1: you know, because there's an Iverson feel to him of

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Speaker 1: attacking that way. And I think Allen Iverson's going to

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Speaker 1: sees those comparisons. Yes, Set, I don't know if it

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Speaker 1: was just a graphic that was used on social media

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Speaker 1: but there's this image of Alan Iverson just standing and

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Speaker 1: there's sort of like that operation game where it points

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Speaker 1: to all of the different injuries. He said. It looks

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Speaker 1: like it's like acupuncture. There's just a good jillion things.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, this fractured, this separated, this whatever, and

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Speaker 1: eventually it's going to catch up to you. At twenty two.

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Speaker 1: You can fly, you know, you can go to the hoop,

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Speaker 1: you can attack, and eventually you're gonna have these guys

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Speaker 1: who get banged up and they have to change their

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Speaker 1: change his game before somebody forces him to change his

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Speaker 1: game physically. You know, Trey Young used to go to

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Speaker 1: not going to get to the free throw line. We've

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Speaker 1: seen James Harden same way, not shooting as many free

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Speaker 1: throws as you normally do. But Jah Moran attacks and

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Speaker 1: it's fun to watch. It's a fun team. That's why

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Speaker 1: when you know, you looked at and I don't know

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Speaker 1: how many games he played, maybe uh sixty two something

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Speaker 1: like that, and you know people use that as a

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Speaker 1: you're missing the point here. You're missing how good Memphis

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Speaker 1: it as a negative with job, but you got to

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Speaker 1: have a compliment here for the rest of the team,

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Speaker 1: because that is a good team they got. They got

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Speaker 1: some fun players and they're not afraid of the big

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Speaker 1: moments so far. And I also saw this the criticism

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Speaker 1: of Young im not ready for the big, big moment there.

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Speaker 1: He went to the Eastern Conference finals last year. Where

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Speaker 1: were you last year with the big moment there? Give

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Speaker 1: credit to Miami, you know, Oladipo Jimmy Butler, bam Adebayo,

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Speaker 1: they had an answer for him. And you know, Atlanta

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Speaker 1: not a great team. You know, they border on being

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Speaker 1: a good team. But they still need to, you know,

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Speaker 1: too Tray Young heavy. Yes, huh. And I know the

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Speaker 1: defensive player that offenses had to try to figure out

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Speaker 1: how to stop. Well thrown away from from Don, I

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Speaker 1: mean that was a big piece of it, you know,

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Speaker 1: foot it over to the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: Defenses had to change for Randy Moss. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: year in nineteen ninety nine. I believe the Packers used

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Speaker 1: their first three picks on cornerbacks just to try to

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Speaker 1: figure out what they were going to do with them. Now.

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Speaker 1: He was very much a straight line speed type of guy,

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Speaker 1: where he just but he could get over the top.

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Speaker 1: He could win fifty fifty balls. He could beat you

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Speaker 1: down the field, you'd get the ball in his hands,

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Speaker 1: and he could do some you know, freaky stuff. You

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Speaker 1: think back to his punt return days and the other

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Speaker 1: of things he could do. I mean, he was a rare,

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Speaker 1: rare athlete, and you know, classic example of that process.

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Speaker 1: He slid in the draft for a variety of reasons everybody,

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Speaker 1: even though everyone knew that he was an absolutely hillacious player.

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Speaker 1: But if you know, if you're talking about starting your

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Speaker 1: franchise with somebody, well Randy played for a few franchises

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Speaker 1: and there were reasons behind that. But you talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, Reggie White ten years apart being the defensive

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Speaker 1: player of the year, Randy Moss had two of the

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Speaker 1: greatest seasons we ever saw in nineteen ninety eight and

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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. After a venture to the Raiders

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Speaker 1: for a couple of seasons, they're in between. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've never seen a better rookie receiver in my lifetime

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Speaker 1: than Moss, and I'm not sure I've ever seen a

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Speaker 1: player of a better season than he did when he

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Speaker 1: joined up with Tom Brady. You know, seven NFL Networks

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Speaker 1: coverage of the draft from Vegas kicks off Thursday to

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Speaker 1: eight Eastern with the first round. Where's the drama in

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Speaker 1: the draft? Tom everywhere? That's the simplest way to put it.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I know that you don't have the clear

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Speaker 1: cut number one quarterback, you don't have the sexy skill

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Speaker 1: position guys who are going to get drafted really high.

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Speaker 1: You've got some really good, solid players at the top

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Speaker 1: of the draft, guys like Aiden Hutchinson, highly productive, all

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Speaker 1: signs point to have him having a really long and

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Speaker 1: good career. But the fact that we're sitting here talking

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Speaker 1: about a guy in Treyvon Walker, who granted has unbelievable traits,

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Speaker 1: but had I believe, nine sacks in his entire call

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Speaker 1: his career at Georgia being the number one overall pick.

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Speaker 1: That's just that's indicative of just kind of the uncertainty

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Speaker 1: that you have in this draft. A lot of that

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Speaker 1: is driven by the quarterbacks. There's just talking to all

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Speaker 1: the gms and head coaches I have over the past

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Speaker 1: forty eight to seventy two hours here, everybody's trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out at what point the quarterbacks begin to go.

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Speaker 1: That is absolutely going to be some of the driving drama,

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Speaker 1: certainly in our NFL network coverage. As much as you

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Speaker 1: never want to knock the offensive lineman, you know, the

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Speaker 1: fact that you could have three or four offensive tackles

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Speaker 1: in the top ten is not exactly going to be

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Speaker 1: the peak of excitement. But you know, when does Malik Willisco,

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Speaker 1: When does Kenny Pickett go? When does Desmond Ritter go?

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Speaker 1: These guys, Sam Howell, They're ranked in all different ways

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Speaker 1: across different boards. I had a phone call last night

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Speaker 1: with a head coach who told me he thought Desmond

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Speaker 1: Ritter is going to be the best one about of

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Speaker 1: all these guys, which you haven't heard anywhere because everyone's

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Speaker 1: talking about Willis or Pickett as the top quarterback. There's

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Speaker 1: just there's so much, you know, opinion that goes into this,

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Speaker 1: and different teams are different ways of evaluating things. I

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Speaker 1: think there's drama all over the place. It just might

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Speaker 1: not feel like going into the draft, you have the

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Speaker 1: same drama because we don't know that there's one, two,

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Speaker 1: three quarterbacks that are definitely going to go in the

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Speaker 1: top five. All right, We have a bet here in

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Speaker 1: house that my producer Paulie thinks a quarterback will go

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Speaker 1: in the top thirteen picks. That's a pretty good over under.

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Speaker 1: If we're we're setting such things here in Vegas, you know,

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Speaker 1: the hotspots would seem to be. You've got Carol Line

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta at six and eight, respectively. Both those teams

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Speaker 1: are threats to take a quarterback. That seems rich for

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Speaker 1: both teams to take a quarterback. But you heard Scott

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Speaker 1: Fitter or the Panthers GM saying yesterday that the sweet

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Speaker 1: spot for a trade down would be somewhere in the teams. Well,

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Speaker 1: where do the other threats wide? You've got the Saints

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Speaker 1: who owned sixteen and nineteen, You've got the Steelers who

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Speaker 1: owned twenty. If you're a team that's going to trade

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Speaker 1: down and still try to get a quarterback, you're not

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Speaker 1: going to want to drop below those picks. And if

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Speaker 1: you're a team that's trying to come up, you're probably

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Speaker 1: thinking you've got to get ahead of certainly Pittsburgh, but

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Speaker 1: also New Orleans as well, And that's kind of the

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Speaker 1: gamesmanship that goes into this, and that's why you're right now.

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes there's reports about this team's getting calls

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Speaker 1: or making calls about trading down. Well, odds are they're

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Speaker 1: also making trades about you, calls about trading back. They're

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Speaker 1: having conversations with all these different teams to figure out, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what would the price be if we did this? And

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Speaker 1: because again you have so much less certainty at the

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Speaker 1: top of the draft, there are way more scenarios that

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Speaker 1: these gems are having to talk through, just because if

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Speaker 1: it comes to you on the cloth, you've got to

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Speaker 1: be prepared to take a player, but you've also got

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Speaker 1: to be prepared for a lot of different scenarios that

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Speaker 1: can play out based upon what's happened in the few

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Speaker 1: picks ahead of you. Okay, I want you on record.

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Speaker 1: The quarterback and the team who takes the first quarterback

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Speaker 1: the team is a difficult one, Dan, and predictions are

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Speaker 1: a dangerous aspect of the business. If you are saying

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Speaker 1: the safe pick, how about this. The safe bet is

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Speaker 1: going to be that the New Orleans Saints with one

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Speaker 1: of their two pick at sixteen or nineteen take a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: That's not to say that they will. I'm not reporting

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Speaker 1: that they will before anybody tweets SEC. What I'm saying

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Speaker 1: is I think a lot of people focus on the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: but don't overlook the Saints. They did a ton of

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Speaker 1: work on all these quarterbacks. They had private visits with

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Speaker 1: a bunch of them. They're in a position where they

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Speaker 1: brought back Jameis Winston. He's making decent money. I want

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Speaker 1: to say it's fourteen million dollars a year base, but

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Speaker 1: it's certain not pop of the echelon starter money. And

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Speaker 1: you're starting over with the new head coach in Dennis Allen.

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Speaker 1: So it would make sense if I were betting for

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Speaker 1: you any team. Let's take New Orleans out of it

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Speaker 1: for a second. If I had to pick one quarterback

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Speaker 1: to go first, I would say, based on all my conversations,

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Speaker 1: the best bet is Malik Willis from Liberty, simply because

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Speaker 1: there are a bunch of coaches who have said similar

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Speaker 1: things to me, which is he's the only guy who

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Speaker 1: has those elite traits. This is a Patrick Mahomes Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen world. You can watch Kenny Pickett. He's run a

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Speaker 1: pro style offense. He's making every throw you want to see.

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Speaker 1: Had a great final year at Pitt where he was

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Speaker 1: for you know, six years. He started like fifty games

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Speaker 1: there but broke out last season. You know a little

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Speaker 1: bit like Joe Burrow in that he doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: elite arm, but he's accurate enough. He's got really good

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Speaker 1: leadership traits, smallish hands, but it's where's the upside with

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Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett. With Malique Willis, the floor is much lower

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Speaker 1: than it is on Pickett. But Willis won over a

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Speaker 1: lot of people through obviously his workouts, got a cannon arm,

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Speaker 1: really good running ability in aid, playmaking ability. He watched

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Speaker 1: his highlight tape. It's unbelievable some of the throws he makes.

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Speaker 1: But he's coming from a super simplistic offense at Liberty.

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Speaker 1: Much like what Sam Howell ran, much like what Matt

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Speaker 1: Corrall ran. Is he going to be able to make

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Speaker 1: his game translate over and when he played you know,

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Speaker 1: legit opponents, like top twenty five types of opponents. He

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Speaker 1: had two games against him, Ole Miss in Coastal Carolina.

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Speaker 1: I think where the two to be Coastal. They lost

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Speaker 1: to Ole Miss but milink Willis had like no touchdowns

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Speaker 1: and five interceptions in those two games, ran for five touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: But those are all things that you're taking into account here.

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Speaker 1: You're projecting the traits. The traits are there. He's shorter,

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Speaker 1: but the traits are strong. You're just wondering can he

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Speaker 1: make the leap? And where he impressed people in his

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Speaker 1: interviews was both on the board and in his personality. Guys,

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Speaker 1: people kind of think, much like Trey Lance a year ago,

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Speaker 1: they think this guy can do it. You're betting on

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Speaker 1: the person as much as you are the player. I'll

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Speaker 1: leave you with this who has a new team first,

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Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel or Baker may Field. The smart money there

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Speaker 1: would be on Baker Mayfield. And sorry for all these

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Speaker 1: gambling puns. I'm really not trying to do it. I

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Speaker 1: think it's seeped into my veins after several days here

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Speaker 1: at the Cosmopolitan. The smart money would be on Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 1: just because everyone knows that the Browns are in a

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Speaker 1: position where they probably have to deal them. You never

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Speaker 1: say never about them holding on to him into camp

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Speaker 1: or even having them start the season, depending what happens

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Speaker 1: with Deshaun Watson or whether they potentially can be an

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Speaker 1: NFL suspension that investigations ongoing, but they're going to get calls,

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Speaker 1: probably most likely after Round one when people see where

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Speaker 1: those top quarterbacks ended up going. So Baker Mayfield could

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Speaker 1: be something. It could happen before the draft too, but

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Speaker 1: most likely Friday is when the leverage points are going

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Speaker 1: to line up for potential trade with Deebo Samuel. They're

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Speaker 1: absolutely your team's interested. I can tell you there's multiple

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Speaker 1: offers that have been made. The people in the league

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Speaker 1: who know Kyle Shanahan best do not believe he's going

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Speaker 1: to trade this guy. Kyle doesn't want players to be

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Speaker 1: calling their shots. Devo is also somebody who he's told

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Speaker 1: his own team. Kyle has told his own players in

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Speaker 1: the past, this guy is probably the best player I've

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Speaker 1: ever been around, and he can do so many different

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Speaker 1: things in that offense. An offensive really revolves around being

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Speaker 1: able to run the same plays over and over out

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Speaker 1: of a lot of different personnel groups. That's why Kyle

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Speaker 1: uschecks so valuable to him, so why DeVos so valuable

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Speaker 1: to him. He doesn't want to let the guy go,

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Speaker 1: but they're gonna have to make a determination sooner than later,

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Speaker 1: and most likely it'd have to be today just because

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Speaker 1: then you need to work out the contract, the compensation. Ideally,

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Speaker 1: you'd physical him before the draft begins tomorrow to finish

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Speaker 1: off the trade as well, because you're gonna be talking

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Speaker 1: about a first round pick and more being involved in

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Speaker 1: that trade. It's going to have to get a movie

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Speaker 1: if it happens. I'm not saying it won't. I would

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Speaker 1: just tell you the people who have talked to Kyle,

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Speaker 1: the people who know how he and John Lynch think,

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Speaker 1: are skeptical that he's actually going to let the guy go.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy, have a good time. Tom will be

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Speaker 1: twenty two. They said this a while ago. The project

637
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: will be helmed by Genie Buss, and according to the

638
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: release by the team, the series will cover the last

639
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: four decades a Laker basketball and Pat Roley, Phil Jackson,

640
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: Magic Kareem shack All are going to be involved. The

641
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: release also promises never before seeing interview footage from the

642
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: late owner Jerry Buss. So this was last year they

643
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: announced that, and this is coming out sometime in twenty

644
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: twenty two. All right, we'll get some more phone calls

645
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: coming up. We make way for Reggie Miller, NBA Hall

646
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: of Famer. He did Pelicans Sons last night and on

647
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: the call for game six in New Orleans. That'll be

648
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: tomorrow night, seven thirty eastern on TNT. Red's good to

649
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: have you back. Is there any chance that Zion could

650
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: play tomorrow night? No? Okay, Look, I've been calling and

651
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: clamoring for it. But you see him in warmups and

652
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: he looks over he looks overweight. But some of the

653
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: moves he is making in his warmups, oh my goodness.

654
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: And that's why I keep yelling to the rooftops. If

655
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: you can go through your legs two times and reverse

656
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: three to sixty jam, you can give me fifteen minutes. Theodore,

657
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: you can give me fifteen minutes. But I think the

658
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: Pelicans are going to air on the side of caution.

659
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: And they are in such a rhythm right now with

660
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: the nucleus that has gotten them to this point. I

661
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: don't think they want to kind of mess up the

662
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: apple cart. Do you think he wants to play and

663
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: they don't want him to play? I think if I'm

664
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: sitting over there and I'm Zion Williamson, and I feel

665
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: I could help this team. Sure, I'm any player wants

666
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: to feel that they can be out there to help

667
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: their squad out. This feels like the opposite of the

668
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: nets with Ben Simmons that I don't know. I look,

669
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: it's it's hard for me. You know. People always ask me,

670
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: now you know I've been retired fifteen plus years, do

671
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: I miss the game? And I tell Usually I tell

672
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: them during the regular season, not so much because of

673
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: the travel and the day to day where to tear.

674
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: What I missed the most about NBA is now the

675
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: playoffs and to see some of our young stars not

676
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: want to be a part of it. And now again,

677
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: I know injuries are a part of it, and I'm

678
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: not saying Zion does not want to be a part

679
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: of it, but this is the best time of the

680
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: year because you're going against the best and it's the

681
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: adjustments and the everyday stress is what I missed about

682
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: the playoffs, the adjustments and just hand to hand, head

683
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: to head mental challenge battle. And I'm sure if Zion

684
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: could play, it was allowed to play, he would be

685
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: out there. But just looking at his body, he doesn't

686
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: look like he's one hundred percent in shape. And when

687
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: you get to this level of the playoffs, you've got

688
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: to be all in. Well, you did say this about

689
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons out for Game four, this dude as zero

690
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: competitive fire. He did say that he wasn't going to

691
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: play in game three. There was a chance he was

692
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: going to play in game four. I just don't know

693
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: what it is. If it is, you know that there's

694
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: something deeper to this, I don't know. I'm trying to

695
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: figure it out. I'm trying to be sensitive to it.

696
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: But after a while, you're like, look, if you think

697
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: you can play, then this isn't mental. This is about

698
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: physical and what treatment are you getting? You know, it

699
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: just feels like it's fair game to be able to

700
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: ask him some of these things because he keeps hinting,

701
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 1: and somebody's leaking this information to the media, saying, hey,

702
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: you know what, he's been paying free for ten days,

703
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: been working out. He would play and game like I'm

704
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: baffled at what happened this entire year with Ben Simmons.

705
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: The Nets easily could have won Game one. You usually

706
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: could have won Game two. They come back home down

707
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: love too. And as a former basketball player and during

708
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: my time, you know I had I wouldn't say bad ankles,

709
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: but I would twist my ankles from time to time,

710
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: and being able to play through that pain case some

711
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: point against MJ during the Conference Finals at some point,

712
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: and you know for him to say, I'm not going

713
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 1: to play a Game three, but I could play Game four.

714
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: If you could play game four, you could play Game

715
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: three where your team needs you to most. So you

716
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: let that slide. Then when you go down three zero,

717
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: you can't come back and say my back is hurt

718
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: and I had a misstep the optics. It just looks bad.

719
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: You can't hint of coming back, and then all of

720
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: a sudden be put back on the shelf. That was

721
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: the whole point I was making, because you've they need you,

722
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: and as slim as of a chance as it was,

723
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: they were never going to come back and win that series.

724
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: But you still do have Kevin Durant and a Kylee

725
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: Ree And if you win one game, you don't know,

726
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: someonek at twist the ankle in Boston and they be

727
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: down one guy. It's possible, not likely, but it was possible.

728
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: But go out there for fifteen eighteen minutes, you know,

729
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: give your fan based something to look forward to for

730
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: next season, but to totally shelf it, and that's what

731
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: you've done all season long. I think that's what frustrates

732
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: people so That's why I say the comparative fight you've

733
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: got to have. You have to have it. And number two,

734
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: your team has got to feel like they can trust you.

735
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: Do you think he plays for the Do you think

736
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: he wants to play on night? Like next year? What

737
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: happens in the off season where all of a sudden

738
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: he's ready to go and he's a different player. I

739
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: guess we'll see next October, now, won't we I mean,

740
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: he won't play in the Summer League. They won't risk that,

741
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: So we'll just have to wait till next October. But

742
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: if you're the Nets, don't you have to wait and

743
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: see what this looks like with Kevin Durant, An Kyrie

744
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: and Ben Simmons. I mean you made the trade. If not,

745
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: you basically gave James Harden the way, which at this point,

746
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: I mean, James is not looking great, but at least

747
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: he's playing and he's capable. Man, I would have him

748
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: play in the Summer League, Redge, I like, at some point,

749
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 1: I got I gotta have him out there. No way

750
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 1: they're going to risk him playing in the summer League,

751
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: because if he plays in the Summer League against G

752
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: League and rookies and he gets shown up, that fan

753
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: base will go crazy. They can't risk him looking bad

754
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: or or not looking up to part after having all

755
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: this time off. They are not going to risk him

756
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: playing in a summer League game. Talking to Reggie Miller,

757
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: he'll be on the call Game six tomorrow night, seven

758
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: thirty Eastern on TNT, the Pelicans and the Suns. Booker

759
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: is not going to be back for this series. No, Okay,

760
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: he's done, and he very well could be done the

761
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: start if they were to advance the start of the

762
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: next round. I mean, these things take two to three weeks,

763
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: and we're coming up on game six tomorrow. Well, Luca,

764
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: Luca was out for a while as well, with the

765
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: cash string and a cash string, two different things. Okay,

766
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: different things, but again, you never know, and we talk

767
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: about competitive fire. Devin Booker hasn't. I think if it

768
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: was up to Devin Booker, he probably would risk it.

769
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: But he was out two and a half three weeks

770
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: on the right one. I believe he had in December

771
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: or January. I think this one is the left one.

772
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: So I think they're going to air on the side

773
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: of caution. You don't win thirty two games on the

774
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: road thirty two games at home, sixty four wins without

775
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: having some hiccups. Both Chris Paul and Devin Booker at

776
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: times have missed a chunk of time and they didn't

777
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: miss a beat. So I think that's what they're counting on.

778
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: Their experience, their finals experience from a year ago. And

779
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: they are a deep team, and there are a bunch

780
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: of role players that understand that. You just hope they're

781
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: not taxing Chris Paul because last night going into halftime,

782
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: he was absolutely gassed, and they're putting a lot on

783
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: his plate. And that's why the other guys like McAll Bridges,

784
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: who played great playoff career high thirty one points. Those

785
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: kind of guys have to step up and play a

786
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: significant role. A John Morant last night, the Grizzlies come

787
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: back from thirteen down and he had a dunk heard

788
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: around the NBA. You know recency bias, Well, that's got

789
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: to be the greatest playoff dunk of all time. It's not.

790
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: It was impressive because it helped that team win a game.

791
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: That's the most important thing out of this. You got

792
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: a few all time playoff dunks that you want to

793
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: bring up. I would say was the Doctor j cuff

794
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: over Michael Cooper. Was that a playoff game or was

795
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: that a regular season game? I think that was playoffs,

796
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: that would have been finals. That's one of them. I'm

797
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: trying to think another all time dunk in a game.

798
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: I'm sure Michael has a few. Scottie over youwing. Oh yes,

799
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: Scotty definitely overrewing, then throwing them down, walking over them,

800
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: walking over to Spike Lee telling him to sit his Yeah,

801
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: that's classic, that whole I kind of like that one.

802
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: That's a good one. John Starks dunking on the Bulls

803
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, the left handed, left handed kJ dunking

804
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: on Alijah on left handed. Very nice, yes. But but

805
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: here's the other thing, Reggie. It's when you dunk on somebody,

806
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: there's somebody up there to greet you at the rim.

807
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: Not I'm going to stand here and take a charge.

808
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: That's not dunking on somebody. But it is because if

809
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: you look at where Jaw took off, all right't the

810
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: dotted line all right? All right? Oh? And cocked it

811
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: all the way back. But the guy he had normally

812
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: nobody was guarding him up there. It was just he

813
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: had to he had to maneuver around Malik Beasley. That

814
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: is something for you and I are talking. You and

815
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: I are talking because we're experience three point shooters. We

816
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: don't get to navigate way up there. You and I, Well,

817
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: you don't. That's why you used to at Eyton. That's

818
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: why I still have. I have a knee replacement. Redge

819
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: what Paulie Dan, we're forgetting a dunk Reggie Miller versus

820
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: the Nets, Kenyon Martin, Jason Kidd. I think Net team.

821
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: And for the record, Paully, I do have to say this,

822
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: that was my last official in game dunk ever. So

823
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: that was the last time I ever dunked in a game,

824
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: which I wish I would have saved it for that

825
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: Detroit series when Tayshon was coming from behind. I had

826
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: nothing left in the tank, had nothing left in the tank.

827
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: You still think about that, don't you? Yeah, because it

828
00:46:55,160 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: was a goaltend, you can't go there. They didn't call it. Yes,

829
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: I do think about it. Theodore, what advice would you give? Okay,

830
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: let me let me preface this by saying, you know,

831
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: I see John Moran at age twenty two attacking the rim,

832
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: and we've seen players, young players attacking the rim and

833
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: then they eventually, you know, develop other skills. You either

834
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: get hurt or you change, or you get hurt and change.

835
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: You know, Jordan stopped going to the hoop, Iverson started,

836
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: stopped attacking at Derreck Rose stopped attacking. What advice would

837
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: you give John Morant a twenty two year old John

838
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: Morant right now with his game. I'm not going to

839
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: tell him to stop at all. I love his aggressiveness.

840
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: I think you wouldn't worry about him getting hurt. He'll

841
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: over time, he will figure it out. I think I

842
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: guess we could throw Dwayne Wade in there, and well, yeah,

843
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: you don't want to take away a player's ability to

844
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: think and to react on the fly. Look all the

845
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: guys that you just mentioned Hall of Famers, they figured

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Speaker 1: it out in time. Now he missed what like twenty

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Speaker 1: five games this year, and I think the way he

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Speaker 1: approaches the game, I'm not going to put a saddle

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Speaker 1: on a dude where his biggest attribute is being able

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Speaker 1: to break down the defense. Now, learning how to fall,

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00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: knowing how to roll, that will come in time. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say, like, dude, you need to

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Speaker 1: start working on your jump shot because you're taking too

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Speaker 1: many hits. No, because what he's doing he gets the

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Speaker 1: grizzlies in the bonus early, he puts pressure on bigs.

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Speaker 1: He gets guys in foul trouble. I am not going

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Speaker 1: to try to put a saddle on a wild horse.

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Speaker 1: I'll try to tame him the older he gets. But

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Speaker 1: you vu jaw and continue to be great. Can you

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Speaker 1: help me understand what bus rider and bus driver? And

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Speaker 1: what the hell Charles Barkley and Kevin Durando arguing about

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Speaker 1: your red Oh my god, I think it changes every

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Speaker 1: day truthfully, Um, do you consider is Kevin Durant a

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Speaker 1: bus driver or a bus rider? Well, here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: because it depends on what's wait wait, wait, you didn't

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Speaker 1: answer that. Is he a bus Was he riding the

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Speaker 1: bus or driving the bus with the Warriors? Well he was.

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Speaker 1: He was a finals MVP back to back years. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: So to me that's somewhat driving the buska where he

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Speaker 1: could have been a rider. Is you joined the seventy

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Speaker 1: three and nineteen to get those two rings? Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: the That's what people on both sides of the fence

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Speaker 1: will say. If you're Kevin Durant fan. And if you're not,

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Speaker 1: but I mean, you don't get back to back finals

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Speaker 1: MVP in average thirty f points against Lebron James if

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Speaker 1: you're not a bus driver. Yeah, I thought Charles. You know,

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Speaker 1: Charles was a bus rider. He I mean, he tried

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Speaker 1: to join Houston with you know those stars there, and

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Speaker 1: he got out of Philly to go to Phoenix. So

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Speaker 1: I mean there's part of that that, if you want

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Speaker 1: to get real particular, he tried to bus ride to

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Speaker 1: get a title in Houston. True, but I think all

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Speaker 1: those guys when he was in Houston were Pastor Prime, Clyde,

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Speaker 1: Hakim and Charles and Scottie. I mean, these guys were

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Speaker 1: just trying to get together for one last hurrah. See,

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Speaker 1: you're a bus driver. You never got on somebody else's bus.

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Speaker 1: You were always driving the bus in Indiana for nearly

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Speaker 1: two decades. But maybe I should have been a bus

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Speaker 1: rider because that would It's funny because we knock Kevin

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Speaker 1: Durant for being a bus rider bus driver, but the

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Speaker 1: media says a championships championship matters. Championship championships res you

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Speaker 1: didn't win a championship, but so you know, we're knocking

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Speaker 1: from being a rider versus a driver. At the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, media, which one is more important? Important

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Speaker 1: loyalty or championships or both? Well, give me a team

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Speaker 1: you almost went to. Was it Boston? You were going

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Speaker 1: to come back and play for that team that won

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Speaker 1: the title? Yeah, but that wasn't given. They weren't considered

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Speaker 1: the favorite. But it was closed. But you wouldn't want to. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in hindsight, But going into that season, did everyone be like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna win. It wasn't sacked that they were going

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Speaker 1: to win a championship. But if you knew that they

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Speaker 1: were going to win a championship, would you have come

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Speaker 1: back and played. I couldn't do it because all the

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Speaker 1: tears I shed in Indiana with that fan base, we

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Speaker 1: cried together on all those you know, those hurtful Nick's losses,

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Speaker 1: Bulls losses, Lakers losses in the finals. It wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: fair for me to be on a podium or a

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Speaker 1: stage popping bub because I want my one championship. And

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Speaker 1: in Indiana, we as a team that we grew up together,

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Speaker 1: we had the heartaches together. I can't be sippide champagne

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Speaker 1: and getting a ring, and I didn't do it for y'all.

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Speaker 1: That's just my mentality. This is my thinking. That's fair

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Speaker 1: because I'm not saying it's right, because you know, people

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Speaker 1: on Twitter will go crazy that I didn't win a championship. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm cool with that, but at least I went down

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Speaker 1: swinging and fighting. Would you join? Would you join another

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Speaker 1: radio show if you could have a better chance to win?

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Speaker 1: Don't you think Colin Coward has been calling left it

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Speaker 1: right for me to join his show? You think you

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Speaker 1: think uh yep, dayless. No, don't always call me to

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Speaker 1: come on. Absolutely, you think I'm gonna jump ship to

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Speaker 1: go on one of those shows when I'm on the

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Speaker 1: premier show of all times, I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But you know what, we haven't won anything, Reg. We're

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Speaker 1: the Pacers, were in the same boat. We're gonna when

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Speaker 1: we went on the first one, it's gonna be like

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Speaker 1: we won five together. We're the Indiana Pacers of sports

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Speaker 1: talk radio. But we're coming. We're coming for you, PPI

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Speaker 1: will bon corn Hider, We're coming for y'all. Yeah, those punks.

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Speaker 1: Reg will be on the call tomorrow night, seven thirty

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Speaker 1: Eastern on t n T, the Pelicans and the Suns.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Red, safe travels. Love you Theodore and I

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Speaker 1: love my dad.