WEBVTT - Send in the Clowns w/ Will Sasso 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.200 These episodes are based on. These are our stories, Dune Done. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.280 Hello, welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. My 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.600 name is Lisa Traeger, my name is Kara Klank, And 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:37.240 you guys know what we do here. 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:39.600 We talk SVU. We talked the true crime that was 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:43.640 based on and then we interview some awesome person that 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:44.920 was involved with the episode. 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.760 And yeah, today's now lots some exciting things. Yeah, we 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.519 gotta jump in immediately. Kara is live from Palm Springs. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.680 Are you wearing a purple shirt? No, it's an Avy, 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:59.840 it's ivy. But I do have to bring up like 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.280 I you know, when people say I'm shook, I've never 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:06.600 been shook until uh oh I saw the All Winners 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:13.360 drag race. Okay, I amok. I like, wow, you know, 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.920 because we've been hating on this season. Oh it's too long, 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.480 send these bitches home. And now when I saw that, 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:20.520 I truly was like, I told you that it was 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.880 gonna be All Winners though, didn't I Oh, I knew it. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.280 I'm on the outside. I've talked to multiple people about it. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.560 I know people who have judged on it. People broke 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:31.640 all of their NDAs. Yeah, forgot about it, saw the line, 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:35.200 saw that photo and lost it. Yeah, those are superstars. 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:37.560 There's not a stinker in the bunch. 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:37.880 Yeah. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:39.880 My friend this morning goes, yeah, tell me who some 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.560 of the queens are before the announcement, and I go, wow, 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.800 somebody told it to me months ago, and I would 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:46.840 have thought I know it by heart, but I was like, 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:48.880 I think it's so and so and so, Like I 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.120 couldn't remember, and I haven't even seen the photo. 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:53.920 I oh, And I watched the pit stop this week 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:58.920 of Drag Race, and Bob the Drag Queen said, there's 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.360 more twists than oddly in this season. 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.720 There's more twists than than oddly. That's Bob is like 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.000 a Legit could be like one of the most famous 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:09.440 stand up. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.360 Comedians in the world. If you mean he's selling out, 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:16.720 he's selling out. Yes, Yeah, I was him and Monett together. 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:21.000 So that was a glorious episode. House Palm Springs. 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.440 It's good so far. It's a little cooler than I'd like. 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.840 I guess there's kind of a cold snap everywhere, because 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.640 we did leave Portland in the middle of a snowstorm. 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.000 But yeah, it's supposed to warm up this afternoon, so 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.640 I'm excited to hop into the pool. But yeah, it's good. 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.440 All right, Well that's fantastic. I know, I have nothing 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.880 to report. It's like, you know, Rosie keeps wanting to 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:43.799 go into the hot pool as she's calling it the 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:47.079 hot tub, and we're having at we're having a good time. 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.640 It's nice to just like relax. We had a run 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.840 of amazing shows. Thank you everybody who came out in 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.320 Seattle and Portland, you know, except for people that got 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.600 kicked out, but the rest of you, thank you so 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.960 much for coming out. And yeah, it was just so 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.880 nice to meet everybody and perform. And I had a. 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:08.840 Blast the Aladdin. Yeah, you guys are really cool and 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.160 you laugh at what we say. So that's what that's 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.120 all I really true need. And so many nice gifts, 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.760 so many nice give top of it, these oh my god, 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:17.639 bopfle gifts. 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:19.560 You guys are psycho. It's pretty cool. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:23.480 I just love the attention to detail about our spirits. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.360 There are some things that I looked at and I 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:29.680 was like, oh my god, like, this is touching, touching, 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.040 and we got a pink scented resume, so. 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:38.040 General thrilling, amazing. He handed us his resume and fled 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:39.840 and we were like, and he goes, they're scented, and 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:41.840 then fled into the night and it was amazing. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.400 But I cannot be drinking this. And please do not 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.520 buy me warm vodka shots. That's never a positive. 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:50.000 Do not. 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.720 I will not, Puque will not take it. A lot 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.960 of twins, a lot of cross the state travels. It 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:00.720 was very thrilling. But it's really really so sweet to 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.320 hear about people getting in their car for multiple hours 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.560 to come see us. So we appreciate you guys, Thank 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:06.440 you so much. 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.520 And I had some of the best meals of my life, 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.880 I would say in Portland. Oh my gosh, both dinner 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.360 and then I went to breakfast the next day and 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.360 had one of the best breakfasts I've ever had. 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:17.480 Back to back. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.640 I had to believe Portland really crushed it for me 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:25.799 and food and people, yes, food and people, not weather 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:26.599 per se. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:28.680 Did you you got out okay? Even though it was 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:32.280 like monsoon, It wasn't. You're a wild you grew up 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.640 on the East Coast. That was not a snowstorm, that 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.560 was not a monsoon, that was not blurry so City airport. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.920 It was coming down because we were a larning when 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.760 you go to the airport. Sure, but we walked outside 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.800 not even an hour later, and there was no snow 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:48.760 left on the ground. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.200 Oh it was. It was on the ground when I left. 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:56.360 You're like the snowstorm monsoon. No, no, I left. You're 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.240 telling me you walked out at eight thirty. You walked 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.600 out of your hotel at eight thirty. Oh no, no, no, yeah, 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.320 I thought you left later. No, we left it like 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.120 tend to eat breakfast or nine thirty. There was there 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.640 a lot of snow on the ground. It was we 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.720 did because then we had more lounge time. And then 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:14.080 I also, you should check your credit card. But it 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.440 was twenty five dollars to stay till two pm. And 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.120 I paid it. Okay, got get get good. How did 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:23.039 you already see it? They sent me a bill. Oh great, okay, 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.000 I'm glad you're on top of it. So it was 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.600 twenty five dollars for an extra three hours. I think 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.360 is totally worth it, totally worth it. I thought they 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.680 were going to say fifty two one hundred twenty five 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:36.279 dollars to me to lay. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.080 In a bed is like nice. 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.200 Yeah, especially since I've become an anti masker and I 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.880 don't want to be. I just don't want to be 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:46.640 at the airport in a mask like it. 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:50.400 Really, I was like, by the time you get home, 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.240 with all the flying, you just want to like rip 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.559 that mask off. But also huge news. 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:58.040 I do have new mailboxes and it is really like exciting. 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.880 I like these, It's kind of it's thrilling. I love 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:02.480 the idea of opening a mailbox. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.279 You heard it here. First Lisa's feud with the post 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:09.520 office will be over now that she's got a new mailbox. 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:10.320 I'm excited. 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:14.800 I saw Queen pins so good watch Queen Pih everybody. 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.520 It's on Hulu. I don't know why it wasn't a 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.920 giant hit. It is awesome. I started it on my 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:22.520 flight and I really loved it. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.600 No, so my flight didn't have my flight down up 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:30.360 to Seattle didn't have TVs or whatever, or no, wait 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:32.800 it did it. I don't know. Something didn't have TVs. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.520 And so I was like, I'm going to watch on 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.000 my phone and what the Delta offers. And I saw 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:40.719 Queen Pins and I started watching it and then it 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.479 froze like ten minutes in. But it looked great. It is. 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.039 It's based on a true crime, but it's about couponing, 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:52.560 so it's like true crime light and so funny, great characters, suspect. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.680 I like loved it. It was really cool. I like 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:57.279 rat at the very beginning that the best friend hates 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.760 the husband and that they just like openly insult each other. 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.479 I thought that was fun. That was fun. 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.680 Oh you didn't get more, there's not you know, but 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:06.120 everyone should watch that. 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:07.719 That was very thrilling. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.040 I am sitting around so I have someone staying in 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:16.040 my apartment, the open suitcases there. I'm going to a wedding. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.040 I'm going to New York. I wonder what the vibe 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.280 will be and I and we'll see what happens. But 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.680 my goal is I'm not overpacking. I'm not overpacking. I 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:26.760 want to live a different life. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.960 I have to do different things, and I refuse to 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:35.040 overpack pack. Maybe buy a couple of things, I refuse. 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.600 I bought a dress for the wedding, A stually think goodness, okay, 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:42.760 this is more like a phone conversation. What my bad? 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.640 But I I got an amazing dress in our neighborhood, 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.120 and I'm very I was I was panicking. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.600 Oh. Also, remember how like one of our last episodes, 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.240 I couldn't I couldn't understand what Olivia was saying when 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.360 she said like Nick Mick or something like that. So 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.600 she was saying nickmic which is the National Center for 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.640 Exploited and Missing Children. And thank you to the dozens 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:05.200 of listeners who have let me know. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.440 Oh amazing, that's good because I saw those comments and 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.160 I was like, what is this about? 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.800 But thank you for explaining it to me. I was 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.520 like Nick Mick. I listened, I rewound it seven times. 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.000 I just couldn't under I and then I literally typed 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.520 in Nick Mick, and of course nothing comes up. But yes, no, 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.640 you guys know a lot like I was talking to someone. 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.840 They're like, well, we know you've never worked retail, and 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.480 I'm like, okay, well that's wild, but we talk about it. 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.520 We just talk so much. Yeah, it's all out here 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.840 on that's messed up. But I'm gonna have a lot 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:37.000 of free time. I'm excited. 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.200 I'm doing Molly at this wedding and I can't fucking wait. 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.600 Oh my gosh, I can't wait for you to report back. 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.680 Next week's intro is gonna be lit, I hope. 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:48.640 So you know it's hard, you know, you know, yeah, 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.559 I think it's gonna be great. Oh yeah, I just 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.800 grabbed my phone ont Lisa's like, put your phones away, 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.920 and I fucking couldn't even make it through one intro. 0:08:56.000 --> 0:09:00.880 It's fucking sick. It's so sickening. Oh, I left my 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.880 glasses on the plane. No, you know what. It was 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:05.400 one of those things where they took us on a 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.880 bus to Termina. Fucking buses, and so I got on 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:11.400 the but we got off the bus. I'm at the 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.120 door and I go, fuck, my glasses are in the 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:14.680 seatback pocket. I'm not going to get back on a 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.960 bus back to the plane. Like they're they're gone, you know, 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.760 they're Warby Parker's. I can get new ones. But I 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:23.400 was they are my blue signature glasses. So I think 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.760 how I lost my leather jacket. These buses are not 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.800 part of my plan. Stop fucking with me, like I honey, 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:32.880 different modes of transportation, All right, should we get started. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:34.880 We have a great one for you guys today. Don't 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:43.800 really go anywhere, Okay, guys. This episode is called Send 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.400 in the Clowns. I'm not allowed to sing it, but 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.800 I do like that song from A Little Night Music. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:55.440 It is season nineteen, episode seventeen, and we open on 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.880 someone in a creepy clown mask at some kind. 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.640 Of like rave par is an understatement. Yeah it's Gary, 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:03.880 not a Gary mask. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.720 Yeah. Yeah, it's like only the upper part of the face, 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:08.920 so it's like it covers the nose but not the mouth. 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:12.839 It's really not cool. Very great job to the costuming 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.880 or the prop department or whatever made this mask. We 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.280 are seeing him, but we're also like walking through the party, 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.640 but we're also seeing his POV from behind the mask, 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.120 and I'm just kind of like, no, thank you. I 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.800 already really don't like this. And now that we're seeing 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:28.360 a little bit more of the party, it feels like 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:29.839 it's less of a rave and more of like a 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.560 rap party for a bunch of like musical theater dorks, 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.640 you know what I mean. It's like, hey, after the play, 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.880 we're all gonna go to like the teen Center and dance, 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.240 you know what I mean. And I don't know, there's 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.920 like feather boas and people are wearing weird top hats. 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.360 It's kind of strange. And then the guy with the 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.800 clown mask kind of grabs this girl with a boa 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.560 and she's like, stop it, you're scaring me. And he's like, 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.640 how about a non alcoholic drink? What are you like fifteen? 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.440 And she's like, I'm sixteen, sweet sixteen, and she's like 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.120 flirting with this man who could truly have any face 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.240 he is is in a clown mask, Like, I would 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.560 definitely need to like see skin and eyes before I 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.559 decided that I'm going to start flirting with a man 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.360 in a mask. And now they're at the bar of 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.000 this weird party where teenagers are and the weird man 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:16.840 has still not taken off the clown mask, and the 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.920 girl is somehow still okay with this, and her friend's like, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.439 we don't party like this at home, because of course 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.800 they're from Pennsylvania and are in New York on spring 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:26.960 break with their music class, so I was not that 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:31.520 far off with my musical theater dork reference. The girl 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.000 that's the friend explains that boa girl, the girl wearing 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.600 a bobe is Haley, and she's a piano prodigy and 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.400 she's gonna play at Carnegie Hall one day and tonight 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:45.160 they're just gonna party. And she's like, it's you and 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.160 me to the guy in the clown mask, a man 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.439 who's face she has not yet seen. I'm blown away. 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.120 So now they're all dancing close to this like industrial music, 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.400 still no face from clown man. And now I do 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.360 see someone dressed as a ring master, and so I 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.920 do realize that this is a full circle themed party. 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.120 I guess I wasn't really putting it together at first, 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:04.800 but once I see the ring master with the whip, 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.000 I'm like, here we are all eyes on me in 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.640 the center of the ring. And I guess Haley thinks 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.400 feather boas are very circusy. I mean, her outfit doesn't 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.160 make any sense to me. But here they are. Now 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.920 Haley and clown boy are in some kind of magic 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.840 parlor of this party and having like a private magic 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.200 show from a magician who has his hands closed. And 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.880 she picks the left hand, but that hand is empty, 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:29.800 and in the right hand is a card and it 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.920 says death on it. And Haley looks like a little 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.040 bit fucked up here, but it's hard to tell, like 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.800 they don't make it very obvious, like she's not woozy 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.400 falling down, but she seems a smidge fucked up. 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.240 I'm not I definitely thought when he was opening his 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.960 hands there would be like pills, but yeah, I guess 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:48.000 he was weirding taro. 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.679 Yeah, and also like a card doesn't fit into your 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.679 hand very well. I'm not sure how she fucked that up. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:57.040 But anyway, we cut from this clown to another clown 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.080 on top of a cake, and it's Finn's son in law, Alejandro, 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.880 bringing him a clown birthday cake at the precinct for 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:07.240 a little surprise party that Finn didn't know about. His 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.640 son Ken is there. The whole squad is clapping, and 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:12.920 I was like, this clown cake is weird? Why did 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:14.520 they get him a clown cake? And then Finn goes 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:19.440 see clowns. I saw little colorful dots. I liked the cake, yeah, 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.199 but it was a clown cake and had a big 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:21.920 clown on it. 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.600 I missed the clown I totally. I was like, wow, 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:25.600 cool spots. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.520 Well, then Finn, right as I'm wondering why is this 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.560 a weird clown cake? Finn goes clown cake and so 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.200 he was reading my mind and they're like, oh, Jaden 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.080 picked it out, and that is Finn's little grandson who's 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.680 about a year old, and he's super cute, and Finn 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.760 is like a super proud grandpa. Jaden's cue. Everyone is, 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:45.880 you know, and we all know that whenever everyone's in 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.360 the squad having like a wholesome family moment, that shit's 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.360 about to get really horrific and a crime is about 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:54.080 to be reported. So Olivia has her cute little curtain 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.720 bangs again that I like, and she's explaining Finn's family 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.000 tree to Stone and then like inviting him to Safer Cake. 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.800 I remember thinking in these seasons that there is kind 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.439 of a vibe between them, but I think maybe they 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.320 tried for it and it didn't work, and that's why 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.360 he bounced out of the show so quickly. They were like, oh, 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.240 maybe this will be something, but then it kind of 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.160 I don't think the chemistry was there, but I definitely 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.640 remember thinking they're going to try to make something with this, yeah, 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.320 but then they realized he had no personality and was 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:25.840 just like a cardboard box of a yes truly, And 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.960 so back at the clown Rave, Haley's friend is now 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.360 frantically searching for her everywhere. She's asking a guy dressed 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.520 as a mime who does not give like a remote 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.000 piece of a shit, and like, no one knows where 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.800 your friend is. And she goes outside. She's calling Haley 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.520 on the phone. She's so upset. She's like, we're gonna 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.120 be in so much trouble. It's past curfew. She's freaking out. 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.520 And did you ever go on a trip like this 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:51.560 where you were unsupervised at night? Like I went in 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.720 eighth grade, which is a little bit younger than them. 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.000 I went on a trip to DC with like my 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.400 whole class, but we were like supervised the whole time. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.240 It was never like go out in a mall during 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.160 the day and then meet back at a certain time, 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.360 but at night, it was never like, you know, I'm 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.160 sure they snuck out. I'm sure they weren't allowed. But 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.760 I feel like on a lot of these trips, like 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.440 no one's checking where these kids are. Oh yeah, class 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.800 VU field trips, they're just out and about in New York. 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.000 City, because like I think they are sneaking out of 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.200 the hotels. But I've heard I didn't go on these 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.320 big trips with my class, but I have heard of 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.680 like the teachers would tape the doors shut, So if 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:30.840 you did escape, interesting, Yeah, but I remember for the 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.080 swim team, like we ran around and I was throwing 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.480 like water balloons on people. I did that kind of trip, 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.080 but we were old, we were teens. Yeah, I don't, 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:40.920 I don't know. 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.520 My niece is actually in New York right now with 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:48.040 her class trip. Oh my gosh, be careful, don't go out. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:49.720 Don't talk to anybody who's telling me were where. There's 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.440 a cool party at Hudson. You dude. 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.840 She will barely talk to people who love her like me. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.400 She's not going to talk to a stranger. Well good, 0:15:58.520 --> 0:15:59.560 I'm glad she's. 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:04.400 Gonna be safe anyway. So the cold open blacks out 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.360 on Haley's friend just screaming her name on a New 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.920 York City street and she looks very, very terrified. And 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.320 then we're at the credits, So top of act one, 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.400 we're at the precinct walking and talking, and Rollins goes 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.240 to Finn, I love this. This is maybe one of 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.960 my top moments I've ever seen on SVU. Rollins goes 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.440 to Finn, has Jayden seen paw patrol? Jesse is obsessed? 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.720 You gotta watch it, And Finn goes no, I don't 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.720 and just bounces. It is one of the best burns. 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.560 I love that Finn. It's like Amanda, paw Patrol is 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:36.840 a disease. Why are you trying to tell Finn that 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.160 he should catch it? Like it makes no sense? Like 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.240 I would never say to another parent you would love 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.360 paw Patrol. It's like vapid and badly written, and it 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.360 just something that Rosie's obsessed with, and I cannot wait 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.920 for the obsession to pass. There's other shows Blue. I'd 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.120 say Blue. I would tell other parents, get your ass 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.440 to Blue right now. It's one of the best. There's 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.600 so many good shows, Rollin's. This goes in the bad Columny, 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:02.640 but they're a Paw Patrol fan. It doesn't matter. It's bad. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.840 It doesn't even glorify cops. It's just a bad show. 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.080 I'm sorry, I've never real baby laugh so hard when 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.120 Finn goes no, I don't well, I mean, I thought 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:16.120 of you and Rosie the whole time. It was perfect. 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:20.120 And so next thing we see is Haley's friend walking 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.560 in with a man and a woman to report Haley missing. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.040 The man is like, I'm the head chaperone. This is 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.760 all my fault. His name is mister Turner. He's the 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.240 music teacher. The woman's chaperone is Charlotte, and they're supervising 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:35.199 fifteen girls on this field trip. They're from beaver Falls, Pennsylvania, 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.320 and obviously Finn knows that that's where Joe Namath was born. 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.520 Like random feels like a writer really wanted to get 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.320 that in, but Finn has all this like football knowledge. 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.840 So now Haley and Jenny the friend finally gets a name. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.199 Must have snuck out, is what she says. Okay, so 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.080 they did sneak out, but I just feel like there's 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.440 gotta be more. I don't know. We didn't have cell 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.040 phones either, so I think sneaking out felt too scary, 0:17:58.160 --> 0:17:59.679 Like how do we get back? Where do we go? 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:01.359 You know, like you'd only be able to go like 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:02.800 walking distance from your hotels. 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.480 I love slumber party vibes, like being in a hotel 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.600 with friends. Yeah, is like I would love I love 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:12.600 that now. I was piching you that last week. I 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:14.439 was like, let's get a room and hang out like 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:15.119 I like that. 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:20.120 Yeah, it is fun. So basically, it's one of those 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:25.040 simultaneous interviews where Charlotte is talking to Careesy and the 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:29.240 other ones are talking to mister Turner and they're like, no, 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.600 Haley doesn't have a boyfriend. Her whole life is a piano. 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:35.040 No one at school is good enough for her. And yeah, 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.800 it's like only strangers in clown masks for this prodigy, 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.639 the best of the best. But whatever, she has no 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:43.879 problems at home. Her family is so devoted to her, 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:45.640 and they're on their way to New York City right now. 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.520 And then Jenny tells Rollins about the club that it 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:50.679 was sixteen plus, so she thought it would be safe. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.520 I've never heard of a sixteen plus club in New 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.000 York City, but okay, so these girls were at a party. 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.320 The Circus party was on the Bowery and then afterwards, 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.280 Jenny said she went and checked Carnegie Hall and Lincoln Center. 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.800 Those are very far away. She was like truly on 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:08.600 a New York tour. And she does tell Rollins about 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.040 the older guy in the clown mask and they say 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:12.920 that they were at the circus dance party from eight 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.360 to ten, and that's like around when she lost her 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.960 So now the gang is exchanging all the details. No ATM, 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.600 card pings, no social media. Her phone died before Midnight 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:24.679 and they're like, the best case is she met a 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.639 guy in lost Track of Time. Worst case, let's not 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:31.280 go there. So now Haley's parents show up and it 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.320 is Will Sasso from Mad TV. I don't know if 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.280 you guys are fans, but I loved him on Mad 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:41.000 TV The a King of Impressions and the mom is 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.120 played by an actress named Wendy Hoops who I looked up. 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:48.160 And she has also been on another episode of Sview 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.919 called Townhouse Incident, which we will cover, and she was 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:52.800 on an episode of Sex and the City but I 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.880 did not remember her. But she is also the voice 0:19:55.920 --> 0:20:00.160 of Jane Laine and Quinn Morgendorff for on Daria, which 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:01.480 I thought was amazing. 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.320 Yeah, I mean to find out that she was the 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.639 voice of Jane Laane and Quinn morgandor for Ann Helen 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.480 is beyond. I'm so happy, and I hope the big 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.480 Hulu deal she got residuals and money and she keeps 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.000 getting paid. And the DVD is that I bought of 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:22.600 the season instead. Yeah, huge, Ann. Will Sasso's so good 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.639 and he's really He's gonna stretch out his acting in 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.520 this episode in a way that I'm very impressed with Yeah, 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.359 an incredible performance and you know, like a nice couple. 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:32.280 And I'm humiliated. 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.240 I don't remember the Sex and the City episode, but 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:36.440 he's gonna watch it immediately after this. 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:41.240 Okay, Well, the parents immediately these actors immediately start stretching 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.280 their acting chops because they start arguing in front of 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.520 Benson from the moment that they get there, like the 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.720 mom thinks the dad gives it into Haley too much 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.040 because he allowed the trip, and Benson's like, everybody calm down, 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.280 and the dad's like, she's still a little girl. She 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.720 doesn't even have a credit card, and Live is like, okay, 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.040 does she maybe have a Finsta? But before they can 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:02.440 even respond, Finn walks in with mister Turner, the chaperone, 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:04.720 and Finn goes, you gotta see this, and the mom 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:08.119 starts immediately like scolding the chaperone, like how could you 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:10.080 do this? How could you like let our baby, you know, 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:13.520 go missing? And so liv leaves the parents there and 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:15.920 follows Finn and mister Turner, who shows her a video 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:18.280 that he just found in a campholder. 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:19.000 Yeah. 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.520 Have I shared on the podcast before that I was 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:24.680 a field trip helper and I did lose a child 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:25.359 at six Flags. 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:28.080 Great America, you have not shared that. 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:31.400 Yeah, my ex he was like running a day camp 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:33.159 and I was like, I'll go to six Flags and 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:36.280 then couldn't find a kid. He was out shopping but 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:40.080 he was found. But my ex was like, never in 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:43.240 the history has anyone lost a child. But I was like, 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.280 he's he stopped to shop instead of exiting the ride, 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:47.960 Like what am I supposed to know? 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:50.720 I was supposed to chaperone? But he was Okay, I 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:53.600 mean losing a kid. I definitely have thought I've lost 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:59.280 kids I was babysitting for and the the just terror 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:01.720 that goes through your hard is like, so, I mean 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:03.840 Rosie walks away from me for two seconds, I don't 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:07.280 see her, and I'm like, right, Like, you know, it's 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:09.200 bad when you're a babysitter too, because you're like, that's 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:13.679 someone else's kid, or you're a field trip liaison or 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:18.200 whatever Liza was doing at six Flags. So liv leaves 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:21.000 the parents and follows Finn mister Turner because he has 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:23.680 just found this video on his phone that had gone 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:26.440 to his spam folder. It's a video that Haley took 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.840 in the car with the clown man and it's creepy. 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.560 The guy's going, you shouldn't have gotten in this car, 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:34.960 and then she's like take it off, and he finally 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:36.560 takes off his mask, so we get a full look 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:39.919 at this guy's face. Haley looks freaked out. She's like, 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:41.800 you know, looking out the window, figuring out a way 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:44.040 to escape in some kind of way. And then her 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:48.200 phone drops and she her video kind of scans over 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:51.119 a bag that says Balzarini Brothers and Finn's like, I 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:53.440 know that place. That's the best butcher shop in Brooklyn, 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.960 and so off they go. At the butcher shop. They 0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.760 find out this guy's name is Vinnie Drago. He works 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:01.520 in that which sounds like a bad guy's name. I 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:04.280 gotta say. He works in the back. They find him 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.320 in the back hacking at a piece of meat and 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:09.160 he's sketchy as hell. I mean, he's like, oh, maybe 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.879 I was at that party. I guess I met her. Okay, 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:13.560 I left with her, but we didn't do anything. We 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:15.560 passed out and when I woke up, she was gone. 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.119 So they all go back to this guy's place, like 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:20.119 we got to check your apartment, and he has this 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:22.359 huge cavernous apartment for a man who works at a 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:25.040 bocher shop. Usually I think they match the apartments pretty 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:26.879 well with the people, but this one seems very large. 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:29.880 And then they find Haley's boa in the bathroom with 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:32.199 blood on it, blood in the bathtub and on the 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:35.720 shower curtain, and clownman. Vincent has like no idea what's 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:36.160 going on? 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:39.879 He's like what so yeah, and it's like, are you 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:43.040 that sloppy? He wouldn't cover up all that evidence. 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:46.480 Like yeah it is. I seem yeah, like a boa. 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.360 You couldn't have just like thrown that in a garbage 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.720 It does seem weird. So they've got Vincent Vinnie in 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.280 interrogation and it is just not looking good for him. 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:57.280 He's the last person to see this girl alive. They 0:23:57.320 --> 0:23:59.840 found her person cell phone shoved into a garbage can 0:23:59.880 --> 0:24:02.720 on his block, plus the boa, and there was blood 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.439 in his car too, and Vincent's like, we were just 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.320 having fun. She said she liked being scared, and he 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:10.359 tries to say that the blood is from the busher shop, 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:12.000 and the texts are like we're not what do you 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.600 think we're idiots? Like it's human blood. We tested so 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:18.399 now live is filling in stone that Vinnie has a 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.360 history of DV and his ex has a restraining order 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:25.280 against him, so that's anger management issues plus access to knives. 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:27.359 And it's like, I can already tell this guy isn't 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:29.680 the guy because it's almost too perfect. But it does 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:31.800 look so so bad, and it reminds me of the 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:33.840 show The Night Of on HBO. Did you watch that? 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:37.840 I did not. It was really really good. It's with 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:41.520 Riz Ahmed and so so good, but it's basically a 0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:45.159 similar thing where it's like this guy just gets like 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:48.800 caught with the murder weapon blood on him. He was 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.639 the last person seen with this girl. Like there's so 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:54.560 much evidence, but you know, you're like, it isn't him. 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:57.359 So the lab results come back and the blood in 0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:00.480 his apartment and car are a match for Haley. Uh oh. 0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:02.840 And I'm only saying it isn't him because we're at 0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:04.399 the top of act two. There's just no way that 0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:06.199 we found the guy already. You know, that's just not 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:08.960 the way this show works. But in real life, I'd 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:12.040 say this is the guy. Yeah, blood is a match 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:14.080 in the car and the apartment for Haley. Uh oh. 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:17.360 Not looking good for you, Vinnie. They also found Haley's necklace, 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.159 which is like a clef, like a musical thing like 0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:23.480 and a twist. They found the necklace in the trunk. 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.440 That's not good, Like, we know she was in the car, 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.080 but now we know that the necklace was in the trunk, 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:31.959 which could mean he moved a body who knows. So 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:34.520 they show the necklace to the parents and the dad's like, 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:36.920 I gave her that necklace when she was thirteen. They 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:39.159 tell the parents about the blood. The dad's like, let 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:40.880 me talk to this guy, like thinks, you know, he's 0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:42.760 allowed to like beat a confession out of a man. 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:45.080 And then they try to tell the parents to prepare 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:46.919 for the worst. But the dad is like, fuck that, 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:49.560 and he's like, I'm the one keeping her alive. I'm 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:51.480 the only one, like because he's like, in my mind, 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:53.600 she's still alive and I'm keeping her alive. And the 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:56.639 wife goes, he just like he storms off, and the 0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:59.720 wife goes he just loves her so much more than me, 0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:03.199 I think, and it's like, Okay, well, yeah, I don't know. 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:05.399 I guess Jared probably loves Rosie more than me. But 0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:06.960 I guess I'm okay with that. I don't know, but 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:11.280 it seems like maybe she feels like he has such 0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.040 a bond with the daughter that maybe she resents it 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:17.639 a little bit anyway, next scene, the parents go on 0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:20.479 the news full press conference, offering a fifty K reward. 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:23.360 They tell Haley that they'll never stop looking for her, 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:26.960 and Live is like, we need answers and Cariese's like, okay, well, 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.760 Vinnie made two calls that night, one at one am 0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:31.640 and one at two twenty am, and he had lied, 0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:33.960 obviously and said he was sleeping. So he's like again, 0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:36.520 lies on lies on lies. This guy's looking really bad. 0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:39.040 And they're working on tracing these calls and they've got 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:42.520 Vinnie's Saturn going over the Manhattan Bridge at one thirty 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.720 eight towards Brooklyn and this is like truly the biggest 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:47.760 pile of evidence we've ever seen, Like I've just never 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:51.280 seen so much proof that somebody did something. And so 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:54.399 now Finn is back interrogating Vinnie again with a picture 0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:56.560 of showing him a picture of him like, look, you're 0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:58.920 at a garbage jump buy the water at two am 0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:01.359 holding a heavy bag? Is that Haley in the bag? 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:04.240 And he's like that's sick. He's just fully denying it. 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:06.440 Well because at this point, if this was me, knock 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.800 on wood hopefully never, but I would be like, listen, guys, 0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:12.080 I know, I know what it looks like, but it 0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:12.600 isn't me. 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:15.360 So yeah, like I would cooperate and be like can 0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:17.199 I help in any where? Like I just wouldn't be 0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:19.760 like nah, I'd be like, this is so fucked. It 0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:20.199 was not me. 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.320 We have to figure it out, like I just I 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:23.840 would go about it a little differently. 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.080 That's the thing. The guy is acting very sketchly, and 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:30.640 that's so that's like part of it. So Finn goes 0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:33.040 a witness saw you dragging a bag, and I'm like, 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:34.879 how did you find this witness? Like were you were? Like, 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.160 did anybody see anyone dragging a bag by a dump 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:39.200 at two am? But they did find some kind of witness. 0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:42.359 And then Vinnie is like, it's not what you think. 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:46.760 It wasn't a body, it was dunt dune meat. So 0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.600 then Stone is like, this guy was selling rotten meat 0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:51.280 out of his trunk. I still don't really get what's 0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:53.159 going on. I think it's like meat that's good, but 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.520 it's past its sell by date, so you can't technically 0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:57.760 sell it, but it's probably still good to use. You 0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:00.600 could put it in a shepherd pie, you know, yeah, 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:02.760 or like maybe these are like, I don't know, food 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.040 truck people or something. I don't know. The buyer's name 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.760 is Jose. He's got a black van on a burner phone. 0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:10.800 So it just like it just so happens that this 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.760 man is making meat deals. Three hours after, this girl's 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:15.840 phone dies and she goes missing, and there's blood in 0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:17.120 the apartment, you know what I mean. It's just all 0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:20.720 a little bit crazy, And they send a search team 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:24.119 to go check this dump in Red Hook. Meanwhile, Drago 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.439 Vinni Drego has lawyered up, and I'm like, why did 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:28.200 it take so long? You were talked to like six 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.120 times before you finally lawyered up. But okay, and then 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:33.639 a woman from the search team, who is probably too 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.199 pretty to be working at a trash search team, is like, 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:38.960 I got bad news for you guys. There was a 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.080 huge pick up last night at midnight. It was and 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:43.320 Rollin's is pissed. She's like, it was supposed to be 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:45.400 locked down, and she's like, there must have been a 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.120 fuck up. The stuff that was here is either being 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.840 burned or being shipped out of state, like anything that 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.760 was dropped here is gone, and so they're screwed. Haley's 0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:56.800 parents show up with dump. They want to know what's up. 0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.360 The dad is freaking out, screaming about how Haley is 0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:01.720 alone and cold and afraid, and he's very you know, 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:04.600 he's good television. I'll say that. You know, you can 0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:07.680 tell he's excited to be there. You know. I feel 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:13.840 like Will Sasso was like, I'm like, I don't know, well, 0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:17.000 they like so many scenes. The parents keep showing up 0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:19.760 at dumps and random places, like the parents are just 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.920 always showing up, so you know they I think they 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:24.520 wanted to get the most out of the Will Sasso 0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:28.240 screen time that they could. And so there we're watching 0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:31.960 this like inside edition type you know, expose on the case. 0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:34.880 And it's called The Beauty and the Butcher is what 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:36.760 they're calling the case. And I want to remind everyone 0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:39.440 it's been three days, Like there's already a full Nancy 0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:41.480 Grace like coverage of this, and it's been three days 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.920 since this girl went missing. Liv asks Stone if he's 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:47.600 going to charge Drago, and he's like, it's hard to 0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:49.760 make a murder case without a body, and then they 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.680 look at the news report and Drago's going, they're never 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:54.360 going to find a body. I can tell you that. 0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:57.120 It's like he's just doing so much sketchy shit, Like 0:29:57.160 --> 0:30:00.520 he says that directly into camera, like full full creep, 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:02.080 and I. 0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:04.600 Don't under he didn't commit this crime. Doesn't mean he's 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:05.800 not a creep criminal. 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.320 Yes, and he has a restraining order and he's hurt 0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:10.960 women in the past, whatever, But I what I want 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:12.840 to know is why is he not saying where the 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.600 blood came from? Like he's not even saying how this 0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.040 girl's blood got in his bathroom. He's just like he's 0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:19.800 not even like, I don't know, maybe she caught herself, 0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:21.840 like nothing, He's just like, yep, I get. I mean, 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:23.640 I didn't do it, but her blood's in my bathroom, 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.520 Like there's no excuse. It seems weird. And Live is 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:28.560 like asking Stone how long are you going to torture 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.120 her parents? And Stone's like, are you always so persistent? 0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:33.440 And it's like, bro, yeah, you're new here. Obviously you 0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:36.520 don't know the half of the Olivia Benson method. And 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:40.160 then the news report is showing how Hayley's a musical prodigy, 0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:42.720 even though neither of her parents had a musical background. 0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:45.640 She mastered the piano at four, she was a virtuoso 0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:49.800 by five, like huge competitions by six. Like she's like, 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.440 you know, other world, like on another level with the piano. 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.520 And then Stone's like, all right, I'll charge Vinnie with murder. Two. 0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:58.640 I don't know what convinces him, Olivia the piano, I 0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:00.480 don't know what it is. He's like, all right, two. 0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:04.880 So in court, Jenny is on the stand the friend 0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.880 if you all remember Jenny, and she's explaining how they 0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:10.760 met Vinnie, and she's like she identifies him and she's 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:12.640 like he's the one right there with the creepy eyes. 0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:14.840 And he's like, is she allowed to say that? I 0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.840 guess she is, And now will sasso. The dad is 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.160 on the stand and he's like, she's never had a boyfriend. 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.160 She's in that between age, and I'm like, I kind 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:24.080 of think sixteen is on the other end of that 0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:26.840 between age. But whatever, this is gonna get this dad 0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:29.320 to sleep at night. And he's choking up and he's like, 0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:31.560 the defense claims your daughter ran away and the dad's like, 0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:33.800 there's no way she would never she was so happy. 0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:37.920 And the lawyer for Vinnie gets up and when it's 0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:41.640 his turn to cross, he goes nothing for this witness, 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.200 no disrespect, but they don't have a body, Like it's 0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.520 kind of hilarious. It's just this like goomba guy being like, 0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:51.280 no disrespect ya, but I don't see a body, Like, 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.240 oh my god, I just said goomba. 0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:55.320 And I think I realized how drunk I was last 0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:57.240 night because I just thought of Sarah Sherman and I 0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:00.440 was like, oh, I saw her yesterday but always says 0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:01.520 gaba ghoul and stuff. 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:04.840 But yeah, but I totally forgot I saw her until 0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.800 this one moment. Glad I could help you with that. 0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:12.960 Remember story, listen, I love my cool for Yeah, she was. 0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:17.200 I'm just proud of her. Yeah. So the lawyer sits 0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:19.040 down after they don't have a body, and then the 0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:23.120 parents and mister Turner approach Stone after court and they're like, 0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:27.040 I mean, first of all, I just can't believe how 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:29.920 quickly this is all moving, Like the timeline is so SVU, 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:33.920 like it's been five days basically that this girl has 0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:36.800 gone four days and we're already like in court with 0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:40.440 like people testifying, like they haven't even moved it forward 0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.720 in time. It's just like so so fast. Maybe it's 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:45.640 maybe it's just the arraignment. I don't know, but it 0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:49.600 seems like just really really fast, like very SVU timeline. 0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:51.800 And so mister Turner and the parents are kind of like, 0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:54.280 we think that the lack of a body is sort 0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:56.920 of bad for the case, and Stone is like, don't worry, 0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:00.120 I'm gonna play the video tomorrow, like the video is 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.920 from the car is definitely like kind of a smoking gun. 0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:05.120 And the jury has sympathy for the parents, like you 0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:08.040 did great on the stand, and then mister Turner's gonna 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:10.960 go on the stand. And they go to the next scene, 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:13.320 but off of mister Turner like kind of looking a 0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:15.640 little concerned, and he's like looking off into the distance 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:19.720 and he looks worried. And so at the squad they're 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:22.360 watching more news coverage of this case when Stone shows 0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:25.440 up and says, uh, what's up, mister Turner. The chaperone 0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:29.080 just never showed up in court today, just totally ghosted. 0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:31.640 And they check he checked out of his hotel and 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.560 his wife did say he was nervous about testifying. So 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:39.400 liv sends releasi to Beaver Falls and he's like, They're 0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.360 like it's six hours away, and Carisey's like, the way 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.160 you drive, we could get there in four and I'm like, 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:46.400 I don't know about that, but I guess Brolins has 0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:51.320 a lead foot. So liv is like, uh, talking to 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:52.880 Stone and she's like, I hope you don't hate me 0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:54.640 for telling you to take this to trial and he's like, 0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:57.800 not yet, bitch, but I'm getting there. And so now 0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:00.720 we're in beaver Falls and we're talking to mister Turner's 0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:04.400 wife and she's like very pretty and she's like, oh, yeah, 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:06.600 he loves Haley. He was crying on the phone to me, 0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:08.239 like do I have to be worried about him? Like 0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:11.359 what's going on? Like he's not at home, so where 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:14.120 did he go? They asked her to call him again, 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.120 and she does it and it goes straight to voicemail 0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:18.920 and she's like he talks NonStop about Haley. It actually 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:20.640 kind of drove me crazy, but I mean, like, I 0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:22.840 am sad she's dead. And it's like, all right, lady, 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:26.040 did Jude, what did you do? And then they she 0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:28.200 just explains, Oh, they spent a lot of time together 0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:31.000 going to concerts. Like her different you know, competitions and 0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.680 stuff like that. And then they find out, oh, he 0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:36.080 has a recording studio in the house, and they're like, 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:39.200 can we go look at it? So they go in 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:41.120 to check it out. They find all this music. They 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:44.480 find a song called Haley's Song, and then dunt done 0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:47.319 in the piano bench where I used to my mom 0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:49.880 has always had a piano, and I like love opening 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:51.759 the piano bench and like hiding things in there, so 0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.120 I can understand why they found this there. But a 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:57.200 bunch of fully clothed but very suggestive photos of Hailey 0:34:57.239 --> 0:34:59.440 are in there, like her like arching her back, sucking 0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.360 a lollip, like she's always in clothes, but it definitely 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:06.000 looks sexual. And so we're in Live's office now with 0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:08.920 Haley's parents and the dad is reading the lyrics to 0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.000 Haley's song out loud, which are like not platonic love 0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:15.480 song like lyrics. They're very like, oh my god, I 0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:17.840 long for your body and all this like stuff that 0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:21.399 seems like not appropriate, and the mom is like, there 0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.120 is no relationship. He is her music teacher. And then 0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:26.800 everyone's basically like, we got to find James Turner right now, 0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:29.520 and they said, has he said anything weird? Does he 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:31.759 know anyone in New York City? And the dad's like, 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:33.640 oh yeah, what about that guy we ran into a 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.279 dinner and they know everything about him. They're like, his 0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:39.360 name's Alan Hubert. He wrote they wrote a jingle together. 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.400 The guy wouldn't stop bragging about how the royalties paid 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:45.320 for his mansion in Long Island. And I'm a little confused, 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:47.439 like if they wrote a jingle together, why did one 0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:49.239 guy get all the royalties to buy a mansion and 0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:51.000 the other guy gets to live in Beaver Falls. 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:54.279 But I mean, well, one's a pedophile, so one wanted to, 0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:56.880 you know, harass children. 0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:01.200 So he tries. But you think he's got money. I 0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:03.439 mean he has a recording studio in the house. Oh 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:07.680 that's true, that's true. Okay. Now we're at Alan Hubert 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:11.680 Production's in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, and he's like this classic like 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:14.520 law and Order character who's like, if you cops want 0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:16.360 to talk to me, you better keep up. Like he 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:19.200 just keeps walking and he says his name is pronounced 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:22.160 Ubert and he knows Turner because they wrote this dog 0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:24.799 jingle together years ago. And he's like, and I want 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:26.680 to tell you two things. One I've been up all 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.120 night and two I'm late for a meeting with Lynn Manuel, 0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:32.319 and I love that. I love just I mean, this 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:35.719 guy is reprehensible already. You can tell he's annoying as fuck, 0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.080 But like, I just like Lin Manuel getting like a 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:40.759 only first name shout out, because we all know that 0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:45.080 Benson loves Hamilton, New York loves Hamilton. Everyone's into this. Well. 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:46.919 Also, now that I'm thinking about the money, you also 0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:49.560 don't know how people spend their money. So maybe the 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:52.479 other teacher like went traveling or gambled it at all, 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.239 or gave it a sick mom, you know what I mean. Like, yeah, 0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.200 you just never know, and this guy just has a 0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:59.200 great house, and then maybe you know, he has to 0:36:59.280 --> 0:36:59.960 keep working too. 0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:03.640 Pianos are expensive. Pianos are like thirty grand or something, 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:07.360 you know, So definitely that's it's not impossible. It just 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:09.399 seemed like, oh, how come this one guy's like living 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:10.880 it up in Long Island and this other guy's in 0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.080 beaver Falls. But maybe I'm being a little bit too 0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:20.479 black or white about it. So there makes cookie. They're 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:24.719 talking to this guy Hubert Ubert about it, and they're like, look, 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:26.759 he might have something to do with this girl's disappearance, 0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.440 and the guy goes, I'm not shocked. He's a loser. 0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:31.520 I'm the best, and the cops are all just like okay, 0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:33.319 we don't really care about your whole thing, like can 0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:35.360 you just please tell us where he might be, and 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:37.359 he's like, I won't be implicated in this, and then 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.600 Coreesy really puts his foot down and is like, tell 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:42.480 us where he is, and he's like, suddenly, mister don't 0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:44.840 implicate me is fully involved, and it's like, okay. I 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.120 felt sorry for him. So when he called about marriage problems, 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:49.120 I gave him the keys to my house in Oyster Bay, 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.480 which is my favorite Savignon blanc also just to add that, 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:55.160 and he says I haven't heard from him since, so 0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:58.000 I don't know why this man didn't just give this information, like, oh, 0:37:58.000 --> 0:37:59.640 he might be at my house in Oyster Bay, Like 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:03.640 you're not gonna get arrested for that. So now we're 0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:06.160 at the mansion on Long Island and they I did 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.680 look up Oyster Bay. I thought maybe it sounded very Hampton's, 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:10.520 but it's not technically in the Hampton's, but it's on 0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:13.799 Long Island and they enter a bedroom where James is 0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:17.080 fast asleep dunt done in bed with Haley. She's alive. 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:19.319 They are fucking. They're naked in bed together. I mean, 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:22.440 not currently fucking, but that they have historically been fucking. 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.000 Finn's like, get away from the girl, and Haley's like, 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:29.200 go away, leave us alone. I love him. And James 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:32.200 gets like taken away and she's screaming his name. And 0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:34.799 now Haley is in the car with Rollins and they're, 0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:38.280 you know, driving back to the city from Long Island, 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:42.960 and Rollins suggests that James framed Vinnie, and Haley's like, nah, girl, 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:45.080 that was all me. I cut myself in the bathroom. 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:48.000 I sent the video like I did. And Rollins is like, 0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:50.480 you know, he could have gone to jail, like I 0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:53.759 didn't mean, and like that's pretty fucked that you were 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:55.600 just framing an innocent man, and She's like, I didn't 0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:57.040 mean for that to happen. I mean, he just like 0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.719 seemed like a criminal at the club, which he definitely is. 0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:03.880 But still, and were you like avoiding the news coverage 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:05.719 like you knew he was going to trial. This was 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:07.520 all over the news, the beauty and the butcher, like 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.800 you could have easily just come forward, but I guess 0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:13.359 you're too deep. And then by then, so the plan was, 0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:17.439 she said to hang out until everybody thought Haley was dead, 0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:19.080 and then they her and James were going to go 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:21.600 to Vienna and he was going to buy her a 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.040 Steinway Grand and they were going to tour the world. 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:27.479 And my mom has a Steinway but it's not a Grand, 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:30.799 it's a Mini. But she's a big fan. And they 0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:32.759 were going to tour the world and she's in love 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:36.560 with him. That was like their whole plan. And in 0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:40.600 the other car, we've got Finn talking to and CARIESI 0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:43.839 talking to James and he's like, I love her. What's 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:47.040 wrong with that? And they're like, she's sixteen, I mean 0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:50.160 the obvious, and he's like, she has an old soul 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.080 and he's like, okay, cool was it her? And then 0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:54.799 I was just thinking, like, okay, cool, was it her 0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.400 old soul? Deep throating a lollipop in the pictures that 0:39:57.440 --> 0:39:59.520 you like, like, is that what was doing it for you? 0:39:59.600 --> 0:39:59.680 Like? 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:02.320 Oh my go, she looks so worldly in these pictures. 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:06.160 And so James starts comparing their relationship to music and 0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:09.759 something about the fugue of two voices coming together or 0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:12.880 some shit, and Carisey's like, Okay, you're a child rapist, 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:17.319 so whatever you want to talk about with various concertos, etc. 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:21.279 And then she goes. So we're bouncing back and forth 0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:23.279 between the two cars and it's like they're both like 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:25.680 rainy police car vibes and I'm kind of enjoying that. 0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:29.640 And the girl is just talking about it like they're 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:32.160 star crossed lovers, like everyone's trying to keep her and 0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.680 her boyfriend apart, even though it's her fucking music teacher. 0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:36.799 And she's like, you think I don't know about love. 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:39.920 I know all about love. And now we're in Olivia's 0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:42.200 office and she's bringing coffee to the parents and the 0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:44.560 mom is like livid. She's like, how could he do 0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:46.440 this make us think that she was dead? And the 0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:48.879 dad is just like so happy that Haley's alive. He's 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:51.719 like so excited. And then they start to realize that 0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:56.000 he was definitely having sex slash raping their daughter, and 0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:58.799 the mom says I'll kill him, and lives like, don't 0:40:58.840 --> 0:41:01.239 make me lock you up. And the mom goes to 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:03.359 Haley and embraces her when she comes in, but at 0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:05.480 that moment, James is being let in at the same time, 0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:07.359 which I just can't imagine that they do this at 0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:09.319 all in real life, but they always do on the show, 0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:12.040 so that there's drama, and he calls out to Haley, 0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:15.800 like Haley, and then the mom slaps him, and Haley 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:18.280 is like, leave my creepy music. Teach your boyfriend alone. 0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:21.400 And then the mom goes out of all the girls 0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:23.719 in the school, and you're like, wait what. And then 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:26.520 the mom's like, oh, did you feed her that line 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:30.160 about the fugue? And the two voices call back, and 0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:32.320 so now we're starting to figure it out, and she goes, 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:35.879 your line's always work, right, Jimmy, especially after a few 0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:40.160 glasses of chardonnay. How many seductions is enough? And the 0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:44.120 dad is like, hey, Anna, what's going on here? And 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:46.840 then the mom admits it all comes out. She and 0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:51.919 James slept together one time seventeen years ago. Hopefully you're 0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:53.840 doing all the math work here and you're putting all 0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:57.920 the pieces together, and she's like, that's right, Jimmy, she's yours. 0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:04.680 You've been sleeping with your own own daughter, which we've 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:06.880 heard that a few other times on the show before 0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:09.600 when someone finds out they're sleeping with their brother, sister, mother, father, 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:13.640 or whatever, and it never gets less gross or more like, 0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:18.000 less scandalous. So James like immediately starts keeling over like 0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:20.560 he's gonna be sick. He's like, oh, and then Live 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:23.680 takes Haley away and the mom is like, what does 0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:26.000 he get for incest? And I'm truly wondering, like what 0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:28.760 does he get because we talked about this on our podcast. 0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:33.480 That's really illegal anywhere. Yeah, but adults, Oh, that's adults, 0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:36.480 that's right. I just feel like the incest doesn't matter 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.279 what compared to the underage of it all, you know, Yeah, 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:42.399 but I don't even know who cares. Yeah, sure, sure, 0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:44.719 I mean the under can be upset that, you know. 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:48.120 The dad's Yeah, like, I think he'll get enough just 0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:50.399 based on like a million counts of statutory rape. 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:52.880 But I'm sorry, but Haley needs to be charged for 0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:55.279 all this too, Like she did almost fuck up that 0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:56.080 creeps life. 0:42:56.440 --> 0:43:00.560 Yeah, that's true. I wonder what that It wouldn't be 0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:03.120 filing a false police report because she didn't file it. 0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:08.280 But I wonder what Shin or Sudya planting evidence? Who knows? 0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:11.000 Yeah, we have a lot of lawyer listeners let us 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.520 know how Haley would be charged. But the dad is 0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.480 heartbroken and he's like saying to the mom like, how 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:20.040 could you not tell me? And the mom is like, well, 0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.320 we thought she was dead. How would this have helped? 0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:24.200 And I think he means I think it's kind of like, 0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:25.759 how could you have not told me in these last 0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:28.080 few days, like with all of this happening, And he's like, well, 0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:29.480 we thought she was dead, Like I wasn't going to 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:33.680 like completely ruin your life more. And the dad tries 0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:35.480 to go at James to beat the shit out of him, 0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:37.480 and the cops have to hold him back, and Haley 0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:42.960 in another room is Olivia crying, screaming, yeah it is. 0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:45.600 It's like really good, it's really good. And he's a 0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:48.320 big guy, so they're like really like a lot of 0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:50.640 people are holding him back, and you kind of think like, wow, 0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:52.960 if one person lets go, this man's going to murder 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:56.359 this other man. And then in another room, Haley is 0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:59.760 like debriefing with Olivia and she's got like a huge 0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:02.640 on her face. She's like, oh my god, James is 0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.000 my dad. That makes so much sense, Like she's psyched 0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:07.879 about it. She's like, I always felt a connection, and 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:10.240 I was always so talented. I knew my dad couldn't 0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.239 be a garbage man. I just knew it. And she's 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:14.359 like grinning, like a really creepy grin, and I do 0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:16.879 not like it. And now we're in court and it's 0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:20.040 March twenty first, and they first arrested Vincent on the fourteenth, 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:22.799 So this has all happened in one calendar week. I 0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:27.080 just find that so wild and very SVUW. And I'm 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:29.920 sure our lawyer listeners are like, in what world? Like 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:32.799 I think everything takes ten months, like even for one 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:36.800 motion in the real world of law. But Stone says 0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:40.320 that Turner pled guilty to rape two, kidnapping, and dangering 0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:44.200 a minor and incest. He's in jail and on suicide 0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:47.799 watch and he's going to prison. I get people have 0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:49.719 called us out on not knowing jail in prison, and 0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:51.680 I honestly didn't find out the difference between jail and 0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:54.080 prison until I was like twenty five years old. I 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:57.000 remember someone telling me and I was like, wait, what, Like, 0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:58.600 you just go to jail for a crime or you're 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:00.319 in prison for a crime, And they're like, no, jail 0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:02.920 is like where you go while you're being held, like 0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:05.840 awaiting trial or like in holding, and then prison is 0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:07.879 like where you're going away for a long time. And 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:11.440 I always fuck it up. But so Stone is like, 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:13.400 I mean, I don't get it, and Live is like, 0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:16.160 it's called genetic sexual attraction. It's when a father and 0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:18.279 a daughter don't grow up in the same household and 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:20.719 they meet as adults and it can happen, and it 0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:24.879 has happened on this show. Baby, So you Live says 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:26.840 what you do is you recommend the best therapists and 0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:29.040 you pray to God that they get through it and 0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:31.879 lives like, I hope this didn't scare you back to Chicago, bro, 0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:35.360 And then Stone reveals to Olivia that his sister is 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:40.000 actually in a facility upstate and she has schizophrenia and 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:43.200 that their father used to visit her once a week 0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:45.399 and that now is his duty. And so that's kind 0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:48.440 of another reason why we find that he is doing 0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:50.200 this job in Manhattan, so he can be close to 0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:53.120 his sister and lives like, Wow, Well, if you ever 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:56.600 need to talk, let me know. And now we're at 0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:59.160 the facility in South Salem, which is very near where 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:01.719 I grew up on Stone is where we used to 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.920 buy our Christmas trees as a Jewish family. And Stone 0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:07.520 is going to visit his sister Pamela, and she doesn't 0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.279 know who he is. When she sees him, she's like, 0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:12.120 who are you? And then he brings her this special 0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:14.400 treat which kind of looks like a tasty cake or something, 0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:17.600 and now she thinks he's her dad, and she's like daddy, 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:19.520 and it's just a sad moment where like, you know, 0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:23.480 someone doesn't recognize someone. And Stone leaves and it's nighttime 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:26.000 and we see for like a second that it's very 0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:29.680 hard for him. And that's Dick wolf Bibbe. What's easy 0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:30.120 for him? 0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:33.160 He always has a face of true like like. 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.120 I don't know, it's like I played professional baseball. It's 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:41.240 like anything for you. Yeah, he's so annoying. 0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:45.360 Yeah, And you know, for some reason, we love genetic 0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:48.359 attraction so much. 0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:51.000 Yeah, I mean it's so I think it's like, you know, 0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:54.200 we kind of love the grosser, crazier shit on this show. 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.440 And like, I think for you and I that idea 0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:57.320 is so horrific. 0:46:57.400 --> 0:46:59.840 But well, we have some friends that recently went to 0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:02.800 and they were telling me that before anyone fucks in Iceland, 0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.080 they have apps to make sure you're related or not 0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:11.960 because there's only three hundreds such as the population, so 0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:14.520 they're usually okay with like I think fourth or fifth 0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:17.080 cousins or something like that, or yeah, like I don't remember, 0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:19.320 but before anyone fucks, like all of their infos in 0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:22.720 an app to like make sure, Oh my god. 0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:25.040 I mean maybe we should do it here. Who knows. 0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:28.239 I don't know. I have cousins in Italy who were 0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:31.319 married to each other really but they and they were 0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:32.920 first cousins, but they didn't have any kids because they 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:33.560 knew no. 0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:35.920 But also, like I'm thinking of like the Jane Seymour 0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:38.200 episode when the boy's like and I had sex with 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:39.720 my sister but he's picked. 0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:41.960 But this girl the smile and being like I know 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:47.640 it's like my daddy. This makes so much sense, And 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:50.279 like I wonder if she continues with piano, like do 0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:53.000 you think that they're like And famously this is the 0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:57.520 virtuoso who was fucking her music teacher and it was 0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:02.160 she does need to go to jail. Yeah, playing sending 0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:04.480 the clowns from a Little Night Music. That's how they 0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:06.680 announced piano concerts by the way. 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.799 I don't know, but if this is it really no 0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:15.799 why sound like a sportscaster. But because if let's say 0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:19.080 this was how detectives really are and not SVU, Vinnie 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:23.520 would be in prison. Yeah, yeah, because creepy like the 0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:25.839 no jury would be like that, oh he didn't do it. 0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:30.120 Yeah. So I have absolutely zero idea what this is 0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:33.400 based on, and I am looking forward to getting the 0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:38.279 Lisa treatment. Yeah. It's not good. Not good. I can't 0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:39.040 imagine it is. 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:56.440 Okay, So this is gonna make you really really mad, 0:48:56.640 --> 0:49:00.200 angry throughout all of it because this could have been 0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:03.440 prevented time and time again, and our society sex. 0:49:03.560 --> 0:49:04.440 Yeah. 0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:08.000 So this case is based on the case of Elizabeth Thomas. 0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:11.440 Elizabeth was a teenager who was kidnapped by her teacher, 0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:15.800 Tad Cummins in twenty seventeen and driven across the country 0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:18.760 for thirty eight days. And this isn't even the first 0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:20.719 teacher kidnapping we're talking about. 0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:21.920 On her No, I know. I was going to say, 0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:24.719 we've talked about one before, but this did happen like 0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:28.160 months before the SVU episode came out, So it's very like, 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:29.239 definitely based on this. 0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:34.320 Yeah, he was her health sciences teacher at Colloaqua Units 0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:39.040 School in Moriy County, Tennessee. Before he was her teacher, 0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:42.319 she was homeschooled her entire life, and her and her 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:46.360 siblings mom was She was abused by this mother, a 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:49.520 very abusive mom. The abuse was so bad they finally 0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:53.400 reported their mom, Kimberly Thomas, to child Protective Services and 0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:55.600 she was removed from the home in twenty sixteen and 0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:59.400 charged with child abuse and neglect. And this prompted Elizabeth 0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.200 to go to public school for the first time. And 0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:06.680 if you are a pedophile predator, perfect target. You know, 0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:10.120 never been to school, doesn't have any friends, and was abused, 0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:14.839 so not good. And she was immediately bullied by her classmates. 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:17.640 And then eventually she started to confide in her fifty 0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:20.239 year old health teacher, Tad, who I guess was like 0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:22.640 they say, he was a popular teacher and well liked, 0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:26.000 so she felt comfortable and she started to lean on 0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:29.200 him for support since everyone made fun of her. 0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:30.520 Then she had a terrible life. 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:33.920 So he groomed her and preyed upon her for months 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:37.360 by nudging and molding her until her will like to resist, 0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:41.600 was completely broken and like yeah, like she just had 0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:42.799 a lot of conflict in. 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:44.239 Her brain at all times about all of this. 0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:46.879 You made her feel like she didn't have anyone else 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:48.680 and that no one really cared about her. 0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:51.600 I do think I actually read a People magazine article 0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:54.000 about this. That's one of my top sources. 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:57.680 Yeah, he would give her money and gifts and then 0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:01.400 but also like physically push her head. And she was 0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:04.680 really afraid of him most of the time, she recorded 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:07.640 to ABC News. I was afraid to see him angry. 0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:11.560 He doesn't take no well. And so that's already like 0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:13.879 at fifteen, you know it, and you know, these are 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:15.440 themes that we talk about all the time on this 0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:17.880 show and then the world and what we tried to 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:22.200 explain to men constantly, but that it's like, yeah, it's 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:24.399 not easy to say no to people that are out 0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:27.840 of their minds and violent and give off disgusting vibes. 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:29.840 And it's older than you and in a position of 0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:31.960 power above you and bigger than you. I mean like 0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:36.600 all of the like you have no like standing, you know. 0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:40.520 Yeah, so you know, she was fifteen years old. And 0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:42.759 then this is where it gets like fucked. So well 0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:45.080 it's been fucked, but this is like where it ramps up. 0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:47.520 So he sat across from her one day in his 0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:53.200 classroom and said, you'd look pretty nice naked. Now cut 0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:55.600 to a little bit later, he grabbed her face and 0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:59.040 kissed her, and she was scared to tell her dad. 0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:03.360 But on January twenty third, like, he was caught kissing 0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:08.560 Elizabeth on school grounds by another student and was suspended 0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:11.719 from his job. But like just the light, Like a 0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:13.520 suspension doesn't seem like enough. 0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:19.799 Yeah, like why was there not police involvement? Yeah? 0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:23.120 And so then he started to guilt her and make 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:26.360 her feel really bad for his suspension and threaten that 0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:29.040 he would punish her for it. And he also would 0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:31.000 say shit like if I can't have you, I'm gonna 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:34.600 kill myself, Like you better be with me. He's you know, 0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:37.600 she knew he had two guns. He would threaten killing 0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:40.520 himself all of the time. And now is like you 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:42.799 also made me lose my job. This is on you. 0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:45.520 And then everyone at the school started to call her 0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:47.880 a whore and they were all mad at her for 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:50.080 ruining his life. 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:55.120 Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. 0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:58.480 The kiss though is when like she realized had gone 0:52:58.520 --> 0:53:00.960 too far and was fucked up. But then it's like 0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:05.000 I'm confused if other students saw it like calling her 0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:05.480 a whore. 0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:11.200 I don't know. It's like starts early. I don't know. 0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:13.920 I don't know about like I mean when I was 0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:16.400 in eighth grade or like no, no, it wasn't. It 0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:18.440 was even younger. It was like six or seventh grade. 0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:20.120 Like we found out this girl had sex with like 0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:24.040 someone's older brother, and we were all like so scandalized 0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:26.319 because we just like hadn't been taught enough about sex. 0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:28.319 Like I think hopefully I'm going to try to be 0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:31.319 teaching Rosie more about sex stuff early so that it 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:34.719 doesn't feel like, yeah, it's so bad and it's so 0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:38.200 wrong that like you have to completely shame and like 0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:41.840 torment somebody that you hear has a sexual experience, because 0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:44.840 I bet even in the South, it's like women are horrors, 0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:48.560 men are playboys. You know, like just the religious religiosity 0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:51.839 of like that area of the country too added to it, 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:54.600 you know, where they were just like you know, did 0:53:54.600 --> 0:53:56.480 this man have a wife or anything? Was he married? 0:53:56.560 --> 0:53:56.680 Oh? 0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:59.400 Yeah? Yeah, so it's like, oh, you're a home wrecker. 0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:03.000 You ruined his life, you know, like Okay, she's fifteen. 0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:07.120 Yeah it's gross. So you know, they're calling her a 0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:09.399 whore and doing all this stuff. But then we find out, 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:12.080 or I find out, or you're gonna find out. Other 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:15.640 students reported that he would rub her back and shoulders, 0:54:16.040 --> 0:54:18.920 and even saw her sleeping one morning on a hospital 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:20.080 bed in his classroom. 0:54:20.680 --> 0:54:23.399 Jesus, I mean, it could be a. 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:27.040 Cat, and it's like a teen's perspective, but either way, 0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:30.920 there's a bed in the classroom, she he's rubbing her. 0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:33.040 Still, no one gives a shit. 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:36.960 School, even after all these little things, let her go 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:40.160 on a field trip where he was the chaperone after 0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:44.160 students saw them kissing. Then after the field trip, the 0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:46.560 school directed both of them to not have contact with 0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:51.080 each other. But he was still working at the school. Disgusting, 0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:54.560 and he was a master manipulator who pressured her all 0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:56.960 the time to go out with him by threatening her 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:59.800 with repercussions at school. He made her go to me 0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:02.560 with him, and she had told siblings and friends in 0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:04.959 her life like that she was scared and in over 0:55:05.000 --> 0:55:07.799 her head, and nothing came of it. He would tell 0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:09.839 her lies about himself, so he had like a very 0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:10.600 inflated view. 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:11.799 Of himself, and she knew some of it. 0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:15.160 Was lies, but he thought he was like, I'm a millionaire, 0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:19.080 I was in the Special Forces. I killed Bin Laden 0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:21.759 And that's when she was like, maybe he's lying because. 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:25.520 And then during all this, his wife. 0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:28.080 Jill, says that Elizabeth actually became part of their family 0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:30.960 and would go to church with them. Tad considered himself 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:34.760 a very religious man, and he knew what he was doing. 0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:37.160 He picked up perfect target, someone that came to him 0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:40.319 for help, clearly having issues, and he told her not 0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:42.560 to seek mental help. He said, don't go to a 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:44.960 therapist or meds because that's going to change who you are. 0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:48.480 And so she's like telling him how sad and depressed 0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:50.439 she is, and he's like, don't you dare get any 0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:53.760 help for that? And then also hanging out with her 0:55:53.800 --> 0:55:55.320 and his wife at church. 0:55:57.000 --> 0:56:00.960 I mean, yeah, no, it's diabola. Like he tells her 0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:03.520 not to get mental help because he knows that she'll 0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:07.080 report and that he'll be found out, right, like it's 0:56:07.080 --> 0:56:08.759 all to save his own ass. 0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:11.759 And he finally used all this to convince her that 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:14.080 she had to leave with him because of her and 0:56:14.200 --> 0:56:16.840 his suspension and like you did that, and you fucked 0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:19.759 up my future career and it's your fault and the 0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:22.880 bullying was so bad in school. He was like, you 0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:25.560 better run away with me or else, and he again 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:28.640 said he would kill himself and her family, and she 0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:32.560 reluctantly agreed to leave town with him, and then wildly. 0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:35.040 Just before her disappearance, she did tell her sister like, 0:56:35.080 --> 0:56:37.479 if I don't if I don't return home by six pm, 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:39.839 call the police. A sap and the sister didn't really 0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:43.439 know what was up, and then they understood. Tad told 0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:45.120 his wife that he was going to take some time 0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:47.840 to decompress in Virginia Beach and not to worry about it. 0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:48.279 What is this? 0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:53.400 The real house was of Atlanta. So the pair vanished 0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:56.960 on March thirteenth from the Morey count from Maury County, Tennessee, 0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:00.920 and this was in twenty seventeen. The plan was for 0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:03.879 him to take her to Mexico via a kayak from 0:57:04.040 --> 0:57:05.960 San Diego's Carnado Island. 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:08.680 She picked up from a restaurant, and. 0:57:08.640 --> 0:57:10.319 As soon as they went to leave, he set a 0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:13.400 gun on the middle console. He made her throw her 0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:16.560 phone off the bridge. He disconnected the GPS like a 0:57:16.560 --> 0:57:20.440 real misty from yellow jackets, and then he unhooked the 0:57:20.560 --> 0:57:24.400 radio and yeah, so no phones, no GPS, no radio, 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:27.560 Like he knew what he was doing. And then when 0:57:27.560 --> 0:57:29.600 they would stop at hotels, he would make her sleep 0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:31.680 naked in the hotels right next to him, so she 0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:34.400 couldn't run away or leave. She didn't get to shower 0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:37.760 alone use the toilet. He was always near her, and 0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:40.760 he was very mean to her, very like, would say 0:57:40.880 --> 0:57:43.680 very hurtful shit to her, and he sexually assaulted her 0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:47.800 night after night. When they reached Colorado and Utah, that's 0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:51.680 where he started buying alcohol for her. But she was 0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:54.240 really smart and from each state that they stopped, she 0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:57.280 would take a rock and write what county they were from, 0:57:57.400 --> 0:57:59.360 so if he got caught, he would be charged for 0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:01.160 each of the stick and everywhere they went. 0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:06.560 Wow, that is very quick for all the laws. Very clever. 0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:10.120 Yeah, And one day on the TV in the hotel 0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:12.440 they saw the amber alert and like that people were 0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:13.120 looking for her. 0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:14.480 So he was just like, oh, we got to get 0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:15.320 some fuck in Mexico. 0:58:15.640 --> 0:58:17.600 And then eventually he wanted to go to Panama because 0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:23.480 that's where he loved doing mission trips. What a godly man, Yeah. 0:58:22.280 --> 0:58:25.960 He legit thought, Oh yeah, the kayak, so he is 0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:26.680 too stupid. 0:58:28.400 --> 0:58:33.560 So once the kayak plan failed, they stopped at black 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:38.600 Bear Ranch commune, super off the grid, and. 0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:38.960 They hated him. 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:41.600 The commune hated him like he didn't follow the rules, 0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:44.440 he was lazy, he didn't help, he didn't clean. 0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:46.120 So they're like, you need to leave the commune. 0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:49.000 So they kicked them out of the commune and he 0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:51.560 screamed at everyone with a knife and it was nuts. 0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:53.640 So then they left and they were eventually taken in 0:58:53.680 --> 0:58:56.600 by this caretaker named Griffin Barry, who gave them a 0:58:56.600 --> 0:58:59.320 place to stay in a cabin. They pretended that their 0:58:59.400 --> 0:59:03.160 names were John and Joanne Castro, a husband and wife, 0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:06.280 and that she was twenty four and he was in 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:08.360 his thirties. Was like the story, And if you see 0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:10.080 photos of him, he does not look like he's in 0:59:10.120 --> 0:59:16.560 his thirties. I'll tell you that. So Griffin, Griffin Berry 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:19.280 eventually was the person who helped find them and reported them. 0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:22.480 So he first encountered them at a gas station in 0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:23.840 far northern California. 0:59:24.360 --> 0:59:26.280 They gave him fake name, like I. 0:59:26.240 --> 0:59:30.360 Said, and they needed money for gas, food and a 0:59:30.400 --> 0:59:33.200 place to stay. So they he claimed that they were, 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:37.080 you know, coming from Colorado, just this married couple and 0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:39.240 this guy was really nice. He paid for their gas 0:59:39.240 --> 0:59:41.280 and gave them forty dollars and set them up with 0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:44.919 accommodations in the Sevillville cabin. If you're in nature, Doric, 0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:47.200 let us know. They stay there for about a week 0:59:47.240 --> 0:59:50.200 and a half. So then finally Griffin Berry saw the 0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:53.840 photo of Commins on an Amber alert and was like, wait, 0:59:53.880 --> 0:59:57.280 that's the fucking guy. And the car matched up as well, 0:59:58.040 --> 1:00:00.880 and he was like talking with a neighbor, and the 1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:02.440 neighbor was like, we got to call the cops. 1:00:02.480 --> 1:00:04.240 Like that's for sure, that that's for sure you. 1:00:04.440 --> 1:00:07.920 So he contacted the authorities and outside of you know, 1:00:08.000 --> 1:00:11.320 Barry helping out, investigators received more than fifteen hundred tips 1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:12.800 from people following this case. 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:13.800 This was a big case. 1:00:14.800 --> 1:00:16.920 He became like a top ten most wanted in the 1:00:16.960 --> 1:00:22.800 state of Tennessee. So Barry alerted investigators right away and 1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:26.600 that they were living in this remote cabin in Cecilville, California, 1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:29.360 which is thousands of miles from where they went missing. 1:00:29.880 --> 1:00:32.040 He said he found their vibe. 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:36.040 Suspicious, she was super supper shy, and that he attempted 1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:38.560 to keep her away and was very dominating of the 1:00:38.560 --> 1:00:41.520 conversation and like she wouldn't even look at him. 1:00:42.120 --> 1:00:43.560 Cummins was arrested. Duh. 1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:47.960 Then his wife divorced him after thirty one years of marriage. 1:00:48.880 --> 1:00:51.720 The authorities raced to the small town in northern California, 1:00:51.800 --> 1:00:54.400 surrounded the cabin, and he was considered dangerous throughout the 1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:57.200 whole investigation, Like they knew he had guns and he 1:00:57.320 --> 1:01:01.400 was dangerous. Officials also found on his computer that he 1:01:01.480 --> 1:01:05.120 was conducting research on teen marriage, So there was plan 1:01:05.240 --> 1:01:07.560 and motive and all of that stuff to do fucked 1:01:07.600 --> 1:01:11.240 up shit. And so Elizabeth was recovered safely after thirty 1:01:11.240 --> 1:01:13.600 eight days and said to ABC News that that was 1:01:13.640 --> 1:01:16.440 the best day of my life. Barry was given a 1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:19.400 ten thousand dollars reward that was put up by Cummen's 1:01:19.480 --> 1:01:23.320 former coworker, Chandler Anderson. So maybe it was a good 1:01:23.360 --> 1:01:26.760 teacher or something, or someone that knew he was a creep, 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:30.200 but or I said, former coworker. Who knows? But Chandler, 1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:31.840 I'm glad you fucking knew what was up. 1:01:32.160 --> 1:01:33.960 Well, yeah, I probably worked at the school or so, 1:01:34.080 --> 1:01:35.600 I don't know how Yeah, who knows? 1:01:35.680 --> 1:01:36.000 Well. 1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:38.760 So in a court hearing, Cummens's dumb sister asked that 1:01:38.800 --> 1:01:41.280 he'd be released from jail until his trial because something 1:01:41.360 --> 1:01:43.360 is wrong with him and the man she knows would 1:01:43.360 --> 1:01:46.080 never do something like this, but except he did, and 1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:48.000 the judge denied the request, Thank you. 1:01:48.000 --> 1:01:52.919 Very much, go food herself. He would never he did it. Yeah. 1:01:53.200 --> 1:01:57.320 Cummins pled guilty to two federal charges, transportation of a 1:01:57.360 --> 1:01:59.960 minor across state lines for the purposes of having criminal 1:02:00.200 --> 1:02:04.320 sexual intercourse an obstruction of justice. He was sentenced to 1:02:04.320 --> 1:02:07.360 twenty years in federal prison, even though prosecutors asked for 1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:10.720 the thirty year max. Obviously, when he leaves prison, he 1:02:10.760 --> 1:02:12.440 will have to register as a sex offender. 1:02:12.880 --> 1:02:15.960 Why doesn't he get the rape charges? I have no aing. 1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:19.800 I wonder, well, maybe because he pled guilty to avoid 1:02:19.800 --> 1:02:21.400 the trial that like he didn't want. 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:23.040 Yeah, that's the deal. 1:02:23.640 --> 1:02:26.760 Now, this is from the New York Post, so I 1:02:26.800 --> 1:02:29.760 don't know if this is trustworthy, but he is quoted 1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:32.680 in twenty seventeen saying I don't regret it, nor do 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:33.440 I say it was. 1:02:33.360 --> 1:02:36.080 The right thing to do. That sounds like something James 1:02:36.080 --> 1:02:40.040 would say. James Turner, the music teacher that. 1:02:40.160 --> 1:02:43.560 Thomas Fair I mean the music teacher did seem like 1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:48.720 not happy he was raping his daughter. The Thomas family 1:02:48.800 --> 1:02:51.240 sued the school board for not doing enough to protect 1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:54.320 her from that man, and the school denied failing any 1:02:54.400 --> 1:02:58.800 of its obligations, which I disagree with. If a teacher 1:02:58.880 --> 1:03:01.919 is kissing a student and rubbing her shoulders and you're 1:03:02.280 --> 1:03:05.320 she's still on field trips with him, like what the fuck? 1:03:05.480 --> 1:03:06.720 And he's still employed. 1:03:07.600 --> 1:03:12.120 No, But the suit was settled February twenty twenty for 1:03:12.680 --> 1:03:16.880 six hundred and fifty thousand dollars, reported by The Daily Herald. 1:03:17.560 --> 1:03:19.840 So that's a little bit of gotcha. She'll have a 1:03:19.840 --> 1:03:22.000 little bit of money to get, you know, some help 1:03:22.160 --> 1:03:23.880 that she needs probably, you know. 1:03:24.560 --> 1:03:27.520 So maybe she's in Tennessee, maybe she moved. I hope 1:03:27.520 --> 1:03:30.760 she's doing amazing, and I'm depending on where she lives. 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:34.200 That money can really last you a very long time. Yeah, 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:36.800 if you spend it right. But yeah, she yeah, Oh 1:03:36.880 --> 1:03:42.080 my gosh, I remember seeing this totally in like an article. Ough, 1:03:44.120 --> 1:03:44.840 but is right. 1:03:44.920 --> 1:03:48.320 It was fucking disgusting. I hate everyone and everything, and 1:03:48.400 --> 1:03:53.320 like the way our society functions is super annoying. 1:03:54.560 --> 1:04:00.919 Yeah, and don't bully kids in school? Ugh, anyway, that's 1:04:00.920 --> 1:04:02.880 for all the teens that are listening to our podcast 1:04:02.920 --> 1:04:05.280 and we're just thinking about going in for a vicious 1:04:05.320 --> 1:04:10.360 bullying today. Please don't do it. We have an amazing 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:22.560 guest as always, so don't go anywhere. Yay, Today we 1:04:22.640 --> 1:04:24.560 got to talk to somebody who I think both of 1:04:24.640 --> 1:04:28.120 us have grown up watching, grown up laughing at. He 1:04:28.400 --> 1:04:31.840 has been in everything from Mad TV to Happy Gilmore, 1:04:32.080 --> 1:04:34.320 Three Stooges, and a personal favorite of both of ours, 1:04:34.360 --> 1:04:37.200 Drop dead Gorgeous. And you may have seen him recently 1:04:37.200 --> 1:04:39.840 in shows like F's for Family and Mom, but you 1:04:39.880 --> 1:04:44.320 know him today as Hailey Sadler's sad stepdad Chris. Guys, 1:04:44.960 --> 1:04:50.520 please enjoy our combo with Will Sasso. Hello, Oh my gosh, 1:04:50.720 --> 1:04:53.400 I cannot believe we're talking to you, Will. This is 1:04:53.440 --> 1:04:54.000 so cool. 1:04:54.600 --> 1:04:57.040 Do people often say they grew up on you, like 1:04:57.120 --> 1:04:59.640 our that you meet, that you work all the time. 1:05:00.480 --> 1:05:03.320 Yeah, a lot of people are familiar with some of 1:05:03.360 --> 1:05:05.920 my older stuff there, and then yeah, they'll say, hey, 1:05:06.160 --> 1:05:07.960 I grew up watching you. I'm like, how old are 1:05:07.960 --> 1:05:10.960 you And they're like, I'm forty one and I'm like, 1:05:11.200 --> 1:05:16.240 I'm forty six. This is sad, but I've looked like I'm, 1:05:16.320 --> 1:05:19.840 you know, forty eight, since I was around fourteen or fifteen, 1:05:19.960 --> 1:05:23.720 so that's probably why perfectly. 1:05:23.960 --> 1:05:27.640 And was oh also I recently did I was on 1:05:27.840 --> 1:05:31.640 Arden's podcast as like the Bachelor rookie and she says hello, 1:05:31.760 --> 1:05:33.320 and she was excited we were talking to you. 1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:35.880 Oh I love art and oh my gosh, yeah the best. 1:05:36.040 --> 1:05:36.800 She's so great? 1:05:37.360 --> 1:05:37.959 What a zoo? 1:05:38.400 --> 1:05:41.720 So was this a dream come true? SVU? 1:05:41.880 --> 1:05:43.960 You grew up in the Law and Order universe? Was 1:05:44.000 --> 1:05:46.240 this just like an acting role that came your way? 1:05:46.400 --> 1:05:47.760 Tell us the origin? 1:05:48.760 --> 1:05:52.000 Yeah, no, you know it came my way. I'm I 1:05:52.000 --> 1:05:54.200 live in Los Angeles. They shoot the show in New York. 1:05:54.240 --> 1:05:58.040 I was not you know, local or anything. And yeah, 1:05:58.160 --> 1:06:00.000 they asked me to come out and play this role. 1:06:00.120 --> 1:06:01.440 And I was like, yep, it's. 1:06:01.240 --> 1:06:03.920 So different than like the normal comedy stuff that you 1:06:03.960 --> 1:06:06.000 normally do. So would you, like, were you just wanting 1:06:06.040 --> 1:06:08.000 to like stretch and do something a little different. 1:06:08.520 --> 1:06:12.600 I mean, I I love doing drama any chance I 1:06:12.640 --> 1:06:16.240 get to do it, so yeah, so I kind of look, 1:06:16.280 --> 1:06:18.240 I guess I look at that stuff a little different 1:06:18.800 --> 1:06:23.400 than I do any comedy TV or film that comes 1:06:23.400 --> 1:06:27.680 at me. In that I'll always kind of be like, 1:06:27.840 --> 1:06:30.120 I'm doing it, but what is you know what I mean? 1:06:30.280 --> 1:06:31.400 Like most of the. 1:06:31.400 --> 1:06:35.080 Time with drama, Yeah, I'm always excited to do it. 1:06:35.120 --> 1:06:36.280 Is it intimidating at all? 1:06:36.360 --> 1:06:38.200 Or you're like, yeah, I can cry and be scared 1:06:38.280 --> 1:06:41.680 find out, you know, my daughter's not my daughter panic? 1:06:41.760 --> 1:06:45.320 And the thing is it? Like, is it an intimidating thing? 1:06:45.840 --> 1:06:48.840 Is comedy harder than drama? What they usually say, like, 1:06:49.000 --> 1:06:52.120 what how do you feel when you get something so juicy? 1:06:52.280 --> 1:06:53.960 Juicy so many emotions? 1:06:54.240 --> 1:06:57.160 You know? It's I find it fun. 1:06:57.200 --> 1:07:01.160 It's fun to play much, you know, much more or uh, 1:07:01.360 --> 1:07:04.400 you know, do a show or a film that's a 1:07:04.440 --> 1:07:09.520 little more real in tone and and also something that's 1:07:09.640 --> 1:07:12.640 just different from the comedy stuff that I do. Sorry, 1:07:12.720 --> 1:07:14.880 my dog's trying to dig a hole in a chair 1:07:14.920 --> 1:07:20.520 next to me. But but but no, I wouldn't say, yeah, well, 1:07:20.520 --> 1:07:23.520 I guess I wouldn't say more difficult. But maybe I'm 1:07:23.560 --> 1:07:25.720 just being a prick. Hey, you can't dig a hole 1:07:26.000 --> 1:07:28.560 through that. It's not going to work on don't you 1:07:28.600 --> 1:07:29.600 come over here anyway? 1:07:29.760 --> 1:07:31.280 Yeah? Shows the dog. 1:07:36.880 --> 1:07:45.840 He's a sweet boyd that's a really cute dog. 1:07:46.560 --> 1:07:47.680 He's a little street dog. 1:07:48.040 --> 1:07:50.960 Oh my gosh, yeah, we found him on the street 1:07:51.640 --> 1:07:53.160 perfect chocolate. 1:07:53.040 --> 1:07:55.480 In central California. This little weirdo. 1:07:57.560 --> 1:07:58.439 It was he that cute? 1:07:58.480 --> 1:08:00.240 You just picked him up and scooped him up or 1:08:00.280 --> 1:08:01.720 was he terrified or what happened? 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:05.760 He is the most affable, sweetest little guy. He loves everybody. 1:08:05.880 --> 1:08:08.120 And my fiance and I were driving down from northern 1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:11.600 California back home here to LA and we pulled over 1:08:11.640 --> 1:08:14.160 to get gas. It was July the third. There was, 1:08:14.360 --> 1:08:17.240 you know, some fireworks going off everywhere in this little town, 1:08:17.680 --> 1:08:21.519 and there was another dog, a larger dog, running on 1:08:21.560 --> 1:08:25.080 the other side between us and a fence on the 1:08:25.120 --> 1:08:28.040 freeway side right so on we have another dog. So 1:08:28.080 --> 1:08:30.320 we were trying to give that dog's treats. The thing, 1:08:30.760 --> 1:08:33.040 get this dog back. We're driving down the street. Make 1:08:33.040 --> 1:08:35.080 a long story short. The dog tears off into the 1:08:35.160 --> 1:08:38.599 darkness at some point, and just before we were about 1:08:38.640 --> 1:08:43.920 to take off, Molly, my fiance is like, look out, 1:08:43.920 --> 1:08:45.760 there's another one. And then I just see the back 1:08:45.800 --> 1:08:48.080 of this guy's dumb little head going like the you know, 1:08:48.120 --> 1:08:50.599 he's running in front of the car. I get out, 1:08:50.920 --> 1:08:53.120 I grab I'm telling you, I think it's like dogs 1:08:53.120 --> 1:08:57.160 were everywhere because of the July the third, it was 1:08:57.240 --> 1:09:00.639 July fourth, and and he just rolled on his back 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:02.799 and he's sweet and smiley and happy. 1:09:03.640 --> 1:09:04.040 Anyway. 1:09:04.120 --> 1:09:06.080 Anyway, we stuck around for a while so if anyone 1:09:06.120 --> 1:09:08.679 was looking for him, he had fleas, ticks, no leash, 1:09:08.840 --> 1:09:12.200 no nothing wasn't chipped. Didn't know from dog food or 1:09:12.200 --> 1:09:13.240 a leash or anyway. 1:09:13.280 --> 1:09:17.320 Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's that sweet little story. 1:09:18.040 --> 1:09:20.800 Yeah, he's the greatest. He's the sweetest little guy. 1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:23.240 That's like a does he travel with me? He does, 1:09:23.439 --> 1:09:25.480 he's little. Yeah, yeah, that's the dreams. 1:09:25.760 --> 1:09:27.720 He just gets in a bag and he's quiet. He's 1:09:27.760 --> 1:09:29.120 the sweetest little Oh my god. 1:09:28.960 --> 1:09:30.439 He went from the side of the road. Now he's 1:09:30.439 --> 1:09:32.840 like a jet setting dog. I love that. That's a 1:09:33.000 --> 1:09:37.880 very busy that's a Pixar movie. I love that. 1:09:38.479 --> 1:09:38.759 Well. 1:09:38.960 --> 1:09:41.679 So we were just like talking about comedy people because 1:09:41.720 --> 1:09:44.519 like so many comedians have been on Spew, like Martin Short, 1:09:44.600 --> 1:09:47.479 Kathy Griffin, Margaret Cho. I think people love to see 1:09:47.560 --> 1:09:52.599 comedians playing I don't know, psychos or grieving fathers. Where 1:09:52.640 --> 1:09:54.719 you like, are you hoping to come back to SVU 1:09:54.760 --> 1:09:55.840 as a psycho? Next? Time. 1:09:56.400 --> 1:09:59.000 I would love to go, yeah, as a psycho. Maybe, 1:09:59.080 --> 1:10:00.760 I don't know, if don't know how it works in 1:10:00.800 --> 1:10:01.240 the s V. 1:10:01.400 --> 1:10:03.559 Universe, they call it they bring people back. Oh, they 1:10:03.600 --> 1:10:05.960 bring missus Kara off. I love it. 1:10:06.200 --> 1:10:08.160 Well, we're just I just don't like it if it's 1:10:08.160 --> 1:10:10.920 too soon, Like if I'm like I just saw him 1:10:11.000 --> 1:10:13.439 last season as this person and then it like they're 1:10:13.479 --> 1:10:15.760 back again. I just need a few seasons to cool 1:10:15.800 --> 1:10:17.639 off and forget about you, and then you can come back, 1:10:17.680 --> 1:10:17.840 you know. 1:10:18.000 --> 1:10:20.599 Yeah, maybe I could wear like a tight red wig 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:23.760 or something, just change my lookup and some glasses. 1:10:24.080 --> 1:10:26.640 Yeah, and I talked like that something. 1:10:26.400 --> 1:10:30.799 You know, really set myself apart, really really a vibe 1:10:30.800 --> 1:10:33.040 for an Emmy for Best Supporting Role. 1:10:33.439 --> 1:10:34.160 He wore a wig. 1:10:34.439 --> 1:10:36.720 Yeah, you could be a I can see you as 1:10:36.760 --> 1:10:38.439 a SVO criminal. 1:10:38.880 --> 1:10:40.559 I would love to be an SVU criminal. 1:10:40.800 --> 1:10:44.799 Yeah. How was working with your on screen wife, Wendy Hoops? 1:10:44.880 --> 1:10:47.439 You guys are both big VO people too. We noticed 1:10:47.960 --> 1:10:49.439 she's she was awesome. 1:10:49.560 --> 1:10:51.479 It was it was yeah, it was great. We had 1:10:51.520 --> 1:10:53.720 it was one of those things where, you know, as 1:10:53.760 --> 1:10:56.200 so often happens, we just kind of had to fall 1:10:56.200 --> 1:10:58.799 in right away. I think the first scene we were shooting, 1:10:58.880 --> 1:11:01.880 were sitting there with Mrska Hargatea like balling her eyes 1:11:01.880 --> 1:11:05.400 out because of our kid. But yeah, no, she was wonderful. 1:11:05.439 --> 1:11:08.760 She was wonderful, like you know, as as good as 1:11:08.760 --> 1:11:10.000 a cat. She was fantastic. 1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:13.880 Yeah yeah, and our listeners of course and us. But 1:11:14.720 --> 1:11:17.600 any scoop or fun stories from set with either with 1:11:17.680 --> 1:11:19.880 any of the cast members or just like being in 1:11:19.880 --> 1:11:23.320 the squad and filming that you would love to share. 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:26.920 Nothing, I mean, nothing too out of the ordinary. 1:11:27.000 --> 1:11:28.760 I mean for me, it was just like wild to 1:11:28.800 --> 1:11:33.200 be around Iced Tea, you know, like it's just it's unbelievable. 1:11:33.280 --> 1:11:34.720 And I think, and I would imagine a lot of 1:11:34.720 --> 1:11:38.240 your guests, you know, might be like as a teenager 1:11:38.320 --> 1:11:41.600 listening to you know, body Count and. 1:11:43.200 --> 1:11:44.960 And all sorts of other ice t shirits. 1:11:45.040 --> 1:11:48.439 So that was cool there, you know, to me, it's 1:11:48.479 --> 1:11:52.280 there sort of these bizarre times you get starstruck, you know, 1:11:52.360 --> 1:11:54.760 where you're just like it could be be working with 1:11:54.800 --> 1:11:56.880 the biggest actor and you're like, oh whatever, you know, 1:11:56.920 --> 1:11:57.519 because they just. 1:11:57.479 --> 1:12:00.559 Showed up a few years ago. This is this is 1:12:00.840 --> 1:12:01.200 Iced Tea. 1:12:01.360 --> 1:12:04.519 Yeah. So him on the phone like with his family 1:12:05.360 --> 1:12:07.680 you know like that even that is like, yeah, when 1:12:07.680 --> 1:12:09.679 I get home, Yeah, those potatoes would be nice. 1:12:09.960 --> 1:12:10.320 Whatever. 1:12:11.240 --> 1:12:13.960 Yeah, yeah, with the way you put the pepper on 1:12:14.080 --> 1:12:17.040 after or whatever. Oh my god, anything that he said. 1:12:17.040 --> 1:12:20.880 I was like, he's uh, the crew is you know, 1:12:20.880 --> 1:12:22.320 a good thing about a show like that is that 1:12:22.320 --> 1:12:25.280 the crew, the cast and the crew largely have been 1:12:25.320 --> 1:12:30.000 together forever, so everyone's kind of given each other the 1:12:30.080 --> 1:12:34.360 gears and and uh, you know, speaking of Murska, Hargett 1:12:34.439 --> 1:12:38.160 is just such an amazing She's she's one of those 1:12:38.200 --> 1:12:41.120 people at the center of a show who she's getting 1:12:41.160 --> 1:12:43.960 the crew home by by you know, five or six, Like, 1:12:44.840 --> 1:12:46.120 you know, when you're doing. 1:12:46.040 --> 1:12:50.439 That many scenes in a long day and and I. 1:12:50.439 --> 1:12:52.200 Don't care how many days you have to shoot a 1:12:52.760 --> 1:12:55.000 drama or a single camera, it's never enough days. 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:58.040 So she's just zooming shit along. 1:12:58.200 --> 1:12:58.559 Yeah. 1:12:59.200 --> 1:13:01.599 That makes me happy be home by dinner because we 1:13:01.600 --> 1:13:03.519 hear a lot of gushing about her, and that's one 1:13:03.560 --> 1:13:04.639 thing we have not heard yet. 1:13:04.840 --> 1:13:06.160 So it's exciting. 1:13:06.600 --> 1:13:10.200 Yeah, and super chill with the with the crew, it's 1:13:10.240 --> 1:13:12.160 like they if they don't already, they should have a 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:15.200 softball team for the weekends, because they clearly can't get 1:13:15.280 --> 1:13:16.040 enough of each other. 1:13:17.120 --> 1:13:19.519 Wait, so when you first read the script, did the 1:13:19.560 --> 1:13:22.799 twist kind of did you have a twist moment? 1:13:23.320 --> 1:13:24.000 Absolutely? 1:13:24.280 --> 1:13:27.520 But you know, at the end of it, uh myself 1:13:27.760 --> 1:13:32.519 and uh Wendy, we find out that that our daughter 1:13:32.600 --> 1:13:35.759 is in fact having an affair with her music teacher 1:13:36.560 --> 1:13:40.759 and she's underage, and we're, you know, we're blown away. 1:13:40.800 --> 1:13:42.880 But another ripple, of course at the end is that 1:13:43.960 --> 1:13:48.080 my wife had an affair with that music teacher and 1:13:48.600 --> 1:13:52.559 our daughter is actually his daughter. And of course, you know, 1:13:52.640 --> 1:13:55.320 things melt down. We're there in the in the police station, 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:59.040 I'm charging at him and shit and and at which 1:13:59.040 --> 1:14:01.160 point I read that, I was like, well, that's that's 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:04.080 that's too much. I don't do we need that. And 1:14:04.160 --> 1:14:06.280 there's daughter's been missing forever. How do you guys do 1:14:06.320 --> 1:14:09.240 it here? On SVU? I guess after as many seasons 1:14:09.080 --> 1:14:12.519 as they've had, you have to put a twist on 1:14:12.560 --> 1:14:13.040 a twist. 1:14:13.040 --> 1:14:16.559 And then well, then the additional twist was that the 1:14:16.640 --> 1:14:18.800 daughter was like I knew it, and I love that 1:14:19.520 --> 1:14:22.080 I knew my dad wasn't a garbage man. So even 1:14:22.080 --> 1:14:23.920 when you think the twists are done, and then you 1:14:23.960 --> 1:14:26.120 like talk to this teen who's kind of a psychotop. 1:14:26.760 --> 1:14:32.880 Yeah, yes, that's right. She's like, oh good, yeah, oh good. Yeah. 1:14:32.920 --> 1:14:36.840 Well this is based on something that SVU has tackled before, 1:14:36.960 --> 1:14:41.320 which is this thing called genetic sexual attraction, and they 1:14:41.360 --> 1:14:43.080 talk about it in the episode. But it's like when 1:14:43.120 --> 1:14:46.120 people when it's like sometimes when people are not around 1:14:46.200 --> 1:14:48.280 their fat when girls are not around their fathers for 1:14:48.320 --> 1:14:49.599 a lot of their life and then they meet them 1:14:49.640 --> 1:14:52.000 later in life, there's like a sexual attraction or something. 1:14:52.680 --> 1:14:53.520 Yeah. 1:14:53.600 --> 1:14:56.479 Yeah, just wonder you had thought about any of that 1:14:56.560 --> 1:14:57.560 when you guys. 1:14:57.320 --> 1:15:00.679 Were My research did not go there's going. 1:15:00.640 --> 1:15:03.160 To come up and nothing about genetic sexual dructure. 1:15:03.240 --> 1:15:06.040 Yeah, they like meet their dad's knowing or unknowing, but 1:15:06.080 --> 1:15:08.680 the connection is so strong and they don't really know 1:15:08.840 --> 1:15:11.000 how to handle it, and so they end up having 1:15:11.120 --> 1:15:13.439 romantic relations with their fathers. 1:15:14.320 --> 1:15:15.200 Often does that. 1:15:16.880 --> 1:15:18.519 It happened like three or four times. 1:15:19.840 --> 1:15:22.040 I think it's also happened like three or four times. Ever, 1:15:22.439 --> 1:15:26.280 I know, I know, like that's specific of like I 1:15:26.320 --> 1:15:29.479 do not know this man. There's something here that I yes, 1:15:29.520 --> 1:15:32.080 this familiarity that's turned romantic bizarre. 1:15:32.280 --> 1:15:34.800 Yeah, so well, they're all sick, they're all sick. 1:15:35.160 --> 1:15:38.920 Yeah, yes, that is when you are figuring it all out, 1:15:39.080 --> 1:15:41.479 Like when it's like you're you're you do such a 1:15:41.479 --> 1:15:43.280 great job. Like I really feel for you in that 1:15:43.400 --> 1:15:46.559 scene when you're like, great, so not only did my 1:15:46.600 --> 1:15:48.960 wife cheat on me, but like my daughter's not mine? 1:15:49.000 --> 1:15:51.599 Like your your face is really going through all of it, 1:15:51.640 --> 1:15:54.080 and like your eyes are welling up. Like do you 1:15:54.120 --> 1:15:56.680 like have like a sad memory you tap into or 1:15:56.760 --> 1:15:58.600 like what's your how do you get there with the 1:15:58.640 --> 1:15:59.599 tears and the like? 1:16:01.080 --> 1:16:04.559 I mean for me, it's it's it's really about uh, 1:16:04.840 --> 1:16:08.760 you know, feeling that character and if if at some 1:16:08.880 --> 1:16:12.479 point it attaches to you know, to something that you 1:16:12.600 --> 1:16:15.919 feel that's already there, that's yours, there has to be 1:16:16.000 --> 1:16:19.599 some sort of I don't even know how to describe it, really, 1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:22.080 but some sort of symbiosis. But between those two things 1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:25.400 where where your memory comes into the way that you 1:16:25.439 --> 1:16:28.040 feel about the character and it just sort of happens. 1:16:28.040 --> 1:16:31.479 But it was enough for me to to empathize with 1:16:31.640 --> 1:16:36.960 this guy whose entire life, entire life is gone and 1:16:37.080 --> 1:16:41.360 he's left completely hollow in a police station in New 1:16:41.439 --> 1:16:44.680 York and has to drive back to I think that 1:16:44.840 --> 1:16:47.240 I think they're The bit in the in the show 1:16:47.320 --> 1:16:48.840 is that they're they're from out of town. 1:16:48.880 --> 1:16:51.760 They're from Philadelphia, They're from Beaver Creek, I think is 1:16:51.760 --> 1:16:52.400 what the name of the. 1:16:52.880 --> 1:16:55.000 Pennsylvania or up state or something. 1:16:56.160 --> 1:16:58.720 Yeah, so so, yeah, he's got to drive back to 1:16:58.760 --> 1:17:01.559 Beaver Creek, uh and think about a few things. So 1:17:01.600 --> 1:17:03.920 for me, it was, yeah, it was, it was there, 1:17:03.960 --> 1:17:06.840 and it's it's it's it's there. If you're fortunate enough 1:17:06.880 --> 1:17:10.559 to have you know, a good writing and as I mentioned, 1:17:10.600 --> 1:17:13.679 incredible actors around you, then it makes it much easier 1:17:13.680 --> 1:17:15.160 to access that stuff. 1:17:15.520 --> 1:17:17.200 Well, I didn't even think about, yeah, you have to 1:17:17.280 --> 1:17:20.960 drive home to beaver Town in your head. Does your 1:17:21.040 --> 1:17:24.960 character stay with his wife or pieces out? 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:25.960 I think he. 1:17:26.240 --> 1:17:29.280 I think he goes out on his own for like 1:17:29.360 --> 1:17:32.800 three weeks, gets an apartment, realizes she makes most of 1:17:32.840 --> 1:17:37.479 the money comes backward. She's like, yeah, okay, I'll take 1:17:37.520 --> 1:17:40.519 you back, but I still get to, you know, have this. 1:17:41.080 --> 1:17:44.559 Let's let's get into some polyamory. I'm bringing the music 1:17:44.600 --> 1:17:48.720 teacher into our situation, and uh and and yeah, my 1:17:48.880 --> 1:17:52.559 character is so just just so twisted at this point 1:17:52.640 --> 1:17:56.240 and lost that He's like okay, and then that gives 1:17:56.280 --> 1:17:58.960 way to like a sitcom where it's me and the 1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:02.360 music teacher, you know, sitting in the garage arguing over 1:18:02.400 --> 1:18:05.719 who drank the last you know, Hard Seltzer or whatever. 1:18:07.040 --> 1:18:09.839 Beaver Creek Thrupples coming to TLC. 1:18:10.640 --> 1:18:12.120 Yeah this fall. 1:18:13.720 --> 1:18:16.719 Where did you shoot the dump scenes? Yeah? We felt 1:18:16.800 --> 1:18:19.639 like you guys, you and went, You and your wife 1:18:19.640 --> 1:18:22.519 were showing up at every dump scene, Like there's just 1:18:22.560 --> 1:18:24.559 so many dump scenes, and it was like you being like, 1:18:24.600 --> 1:18:25.479 where's my daughter? 1:18:26.240 --> 1:18:26.439 Yeah? 1:18:26.600 --> 1:18:29.280 Yeah, yeah, I remember that scene going like wow, did 1:18:29.320 --> 1:18:31.120 they get why are they here? 1:18:31.360 --> 1:18:34.200 Go home? Leave the cops alone? 1:18:34.479 --> 1:18:36.320 Because there was also I just remember there was like 1:18:36.320 --> 1:18:39.200 a long thing and they're, you know, they're shooting the 1:18:39.240 --> 1:18:41.960 shit out of it with like a you know, a 1:18:42.000 --> 1:18:44.400 steady cam and stuff. So it's like but we had 1:18:44.400 --> 1:18:48.040 to like trudge you know, like fifty yards just for 1:18:48.080 --> 1:18:48.599 them to go. 1:18:48.560 --> 1:18:50.559 Get out of here, you know, like leave. 1:18:51.040 --> 1:18:53.360 So I thought that was actually that sticks out of 1:18:53.360 --> 1:18:55.680 my mind as an interesting thing that those characters would do, 1:18:55.840 --> 1:18:59.640 like come on, honey, our life's get it on Google maps. No, 1:18:59.800 --> 1:19:03.640 just I have ways, Here's which dump is it? 1:19:05.120 --> 1:19:05.400 Again? 1:19:05.439 --> 1:19:07.719 This would be fodder for the for the spinoff sitcom. 1:19:09.280 --> 1:19:11.639 We shot that in uh, I think it was Brooklyn. 1:19:11.680 --> 1:19:15.200 I think it was a some watery area. 1:19:15.640 --> 1:19:17.360 It was supposed to be red Hook, So maybe that's 1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:18.719 really where you did it in red Hook. 1:19:18.800 --> 1:19:20.880 It might have been, yeah, yeah, yeah, it might have been. 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:23.760 How do you remember all the locations, Kara? I just 1:19:23.800 --> 1:19:25.960 remember the guy selling meat out of his car in 1:19:26.000 --> 1:19:29.679 Red Hook at a point. Okay, I'm thinking that sounded 1:19:29.680 --> 1:19:36.439 pretty gross. Damn. So we did stalk you a little 1:19:36.479 --> 1:19:37.360 and on IMDb. 1:19:37.479 --> 1:19:39.479 I don't know if this is like it says you 1:19:39.520 --> 1:19:43.560 have you grew up with an unhealthy relationship with family television. 1:19:44.120 --> 1:19:45.519 Yeah, and I don't. 1:19:45.320 --> 1:19:47.880 Know what that because I I was. I grew up 1:19:47.880 --> 1:19:50.400 a very big TV watcher, still am to this day. 1:19:50.520 --> 1:19:50.960 So I was. 1:19:50.960 --> 1:19:56.040 Wondering, like, what your TV relationship has been through your life? 1:19:56.800 --> 1:19:59.080 I mean, yeah, as a kid, I was just obsessed 1:19:59.080 --> 1:20:01.519 with television, film, and I wanted to be an actor 1:20:01.600 --> 1:20:06.120 and all that stuff. So and I have an older 1:20:06.120 --> 1:20:11.240 brother and sister, who are you know there there are 1:20:11.360 --> 1:20:14.080 enough years above me that that the stuff they're watching 1:20:14.160 --> 1:20:16.240 is not the stuff I want to watch. So I 1:20:16.320 --> 1:20:19.160 was kind of, you know, I was I was sort 1:20:19.200 --> 1:20:21.719 of checking out stuff that where I was like, huh, 1:20:21.600 --> 1:20:24.920 why are what Why do you guys think mash is funny? 1:20:25.080 --> 1:20:28.280 Let's watch the Muppet Show? But I watched everything and 1:20:28.320 --> 1:20:31.800 I was just you know, obsessed with the with television 1:20:31.880 --> 1:20:36.479 and and the business behind it, and yeah, just just 1:20:36.600 --> 1:20:39.240 that whole, that whole world. And you know, I wanted 1:20:39.280 --> 1:20:40.800 to be an actor and do all that. 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:42.760 Prep Do you think about that a lot? 1:20:42.880 --> 1:20:45.040 I always do that where I'm like, my teenage self 1:20:45.080 --> 1:20:48.519 would fucking die so many of the things that I do. 1:20:48.560 --> 1:20:51.559 And I'm sure with your like you've been working for 1:20:51.640 --> 1:20:54.160 dec I mean, you've really made your childhood dream come true. 1:20:54.360 --> 1:20:54.840 You're on the. 1:20:54.800 --> 1:20:57.439 Side, no I And to this point, no one has 1:20:57.479 --> 1:20:59.760 figured out that I have absolutely no talent. So yeah, 1:20:59.880 --> 1:21:05.280 I feel I do feel extremely fortunate to even be 1:21:05.400 --> 1:21:08.479 in the business. And furthermore, I kinda yeah, I've been 1:21:08.640 --> 1:21:10.479 fortunate enough to be around for a while and got 1:21:10.520 --> 1:21:13.439 started when I was young, so you know, I got 1:21:13.439 --> 1:21:16.559 to be on TV, you know, back in the in 1:21:16.640 --> 1:21:20.559 the nineties when it was still kind of the medium 1:21:21.000 --> 1:21:25.320 TV or film and and before the Internet and stuff, 1:21:25.400 --> 1:21:30.200 and yeah, it's it's it's mind blowing that I'm even 1:21:30.200 --> 1:21:32.840 in the in the business still. And I say that 1:21:33.000 --> 1:21:36.320 partly because it just is, and I consider myself to 1:21:36.360 --> 1:21:38.640 be very lucky. And the other part of it is 1:21:39.080 --> 1:21:41.400 the industry is so different now. I mean a lot 1:21:41.479 --> 1:21:44.519 of the guys that I looked up to, those those 1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:49.080 careers don't really even exist anymore. You know, you'll see 1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:53.280 someone uh you know who's like a big a big 1:21:53.320 --> 1:21:56.679 deal act or whatever another and they're hosting game shows 1:21:56.680 --> 1:21:59.280 at the same time, and you you wouldn't be able 1:21:59.320 --> 1:21:59.680 to do that. 1:21:59.720 --> 1:22:00.360 Back in the day. 1:22:00.400 --> 1:22:02.720 It would be like, oh, you're not serious about being 1:22:02.760 --> 1:22:05.280 an actor. And now it's like, no, you can do 1:22:05.360 --> 1:22:09.120 all that and you know, show up on you know, 1:22:09.240 --> 1:22:12.759 in a Logan Paul video or something too, like nothing 1:22:13.400 --> 1:22:14.599 absolutely nothing matters. 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:16.920 Yeah, well yeah. 1:22:16.920 --> 1:22:19.160 It used to be like I can't believe they they're 1:22:19.360 --> 1:22:22.600 they're sellouts. And now it's like fuck yeah, cell Tide. 1:22:22.240 --> 1:22:22.919 Like everything. 1:22:22.960 --> 1:22:26.120 No one is mad at commercials. It used to be 1:22:26.200 --> 1:22:29.519 like an uncool thing, and now you're like, yeah, make 1:22:29.560 --> 1:22:31.479 your money, sure. 1:22:31.360 --> 1:22:34.040 And now you have like Jimmy Fallon in Paris Hilton 1:22:34.080 --> 1:22:38.479 sitting down to plug their new NFTs. Yeah, and it's like, 1:22:38.600 --> 1:22:40.760 what the fuck are we doing? 1:22:40.840 --> 1:22:41.800 We're in a simulation. 1:22:42.760 --> 1:22:44.280 Oh yes, yes, yes we are. 1:22:44.600 --> 1:22:46.600 I know we both also have grown up watching you 1:22:46.640 --> 1:22:48.879 on Mad TV and I'm sure like people are screaming 1:22:48.920 --> 1:22:51.320 impressions of you on the street of Mad TV. But 1:22:51.800 --> 1:22:53.960 we're also big, drop dead gorgeous fans. 1:22:54.400 --> 1:22:55.400 Oh cool, like. 1:22:55.479 --> 1:22:59.519 Classic class shocked that like decades later, people were like 1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:02.519 rejoicing when it was on Hulu. I remember the moment. 1:23:02.560 --> 1:23:04.559 I was at my friend's house we saw it on 1:23:04.680 --> 1:23:07.479 streaming and it was like a huge day in my 1:23:07.600 --> 1:23:08.960 social media and world. 1:23:09.520 --> 1:23:13.479 I mean, people love that movie so and yeah, I 1:23:13.560 --> 1:23:15.840 realized when it when it was streaming, I was like, 1:23:16.720 --> 1:23:20.320 good on them for like just share, you know. I mean, look, 1:23:20.360 --> 1:23:23.800 that movie would not fly today. It just wouldn't for 1:23:23.960 --> 1:23:27.920 about one hundred reasons. Yeah, in the movie. So me personally, 1:23:27.960 --> 1:23:33.160 it's like if it was made, if everyone in a 1:23:33.200 --> 1:23:36.519 shared society is like, yeah, that's the movie and it's 1:23:36.560 --> 1:23:39.320 out in the movie theaters, then we should be able 1:23:39.400 --> 1:23:42.600 to continue to watch it and then think what we 1:23:42.640 --> 1:23:46.360 think about it, have discussions about it, talk about what's different. 1:23:46.520 --> 1:23:51.240 That's all good and things have changed and that's fine, 1:23:51.560 --> 1:23:54.400 and there's no way to say, hey, you know, we 1:23:54.439 --> 1:23:56.280 should still be able to do this and that because 1:23:56.280 --> 1:23:59.639 there's other other people have opinions. Having said that, I 1:23:59.680 --> 1:24:03.559 can't believe that that movie is streaming, and I can't 1:24:03.600 --> 1:24:07.320 believe that it's not twenty minutes long because I can't 1:24:07.360 --> 1:24:10.439 believe they didn't cut everything out. And I can't believe 1:24:10.840 --> 1:24:14.000 I played that role. And I can't believe it when 1:24:14.000 --> 1:24:17.880 people come up to me and talk to me about 1:24:17.920 --> 1:24:19.439 that movie, I can't believe it. 1:24:21.200 --> 1:24:24.000 Yeah, it existed in like this one moment bubble, and 1:24:24.040 --> 1:24:26.719 we refuse to let it go in our hearts and minds. 1:24:27.120 --> 1:24:29.120 I'm stoked that people still dig it. 1:24:29.960 --> 1:24:33.920 I just watched and actually talked about this on a thing, 1:24:33.960 --> 1:24:39.559 But I just watched Son in Law, the movie Yea 1:24:39.720 --> 1:24:43.559 Polly Shor and Carla Gugino in Southern in Sun and Law, 1:24:43.800 --> 1:24:46.519 and there's like all of the tropes. I mean, that's 1:24:46.560 --> 1:24:49.720 a nineteen ninety three movie, but there's all the tropes that, 1:24:50.040 --> 1:24:53.080 of course the eighties bled into the nineties in you know, 1:24:53.200 --> 1:24:56.680 just culturally, and there's a lot of stuff where it's like, well, 1:24:56.920 --> 1:24:57.880 well hold on. 1:24:58.439 --> 1:24:59.040 I think. 1:25:00.520 --> 1:25:03.439 I think the two three of these characters the movies 1:25:03.520 --> 1:25:07.120 ten minutes Old three three characters of sexually harassed, legitimately 1:25:07.160 --> 1:25:11.160 sexually harassed Carlo Gugino. There's like there's always like a 1:25:11.280 --> 1:25:16.439 barnyard coercion scene of like you're going off to college, 1:25:16.840 --> 1:25:18.719 it's going to be three months till I see again 1:25:18.720 --> 1:25:21.120 at Thanksgiving and stuff like that that you used to 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:23.200 just sort of sit there and watch and eat popcorn 1:25:23.479 --> 1:25:26.800 and not glean anything from it. And like I said, look, 1:25:26.800 --> 1:25:29.360 that movie's that movie, and we should talk and have 1:25:29.400 --> 1:25:32.599 different conversations about it, which is fine, but holy shit, 1:25:33.080 --> 1:25:35.839 everything is everything that we are in a simulation? 1:25:35.920 --> 1:25:36.040 Man? 1:25:36.120 --> 1:25:39.080 Well, because even SVU, like they're so ahead of their 1:25:39.080 --> 1:25:41.160 time on so many important issues, and I think they 1:25:41.160 --> 1:25:43.080 brought a lot of stuff to the forefront. But even 1:25:43.160 --> 1:25:46.439 earlier episodes, you're like, we would never speak the way 1:25:46.439 --> 1:25:48.800 these detectives are speaking, and they're trying to do such 1:25:48.840 --> 1:25:52.400 positive programming, and it's still like so dated and a 1:25:52.439 --> 1:25:53.080 lot of. 1:25:53.800 --> 1:25:57.200 Time is a time is a is a bizarre thing? 1:25:57.400 --> 1:26:01.080 Is it not? My goodness? Seventy one years old? 1:26:01.320 --> 1:26:03.559 Will you tell us about your podcast? I was, we 1:26:03.600 --> 1:26:06.480 were reading about it and it's like got an interesting 1:26:06.760 --> 1:26:08.240 twist to it, right an angle. 1:26:08.880 --> 1:26:12.200 Yeah, I'm doing a new podcast with my good buddy 1:26:12.880 --> 1:26:16.720 Chad Colchin, who's a writer television film and he's also 1:26:16.800 --> 1:26:20.320 an author who has a new book out called How 1:26:20.360 --> 1:26:20.920 to Win the Bat. 1:26:21.120 --> 1:26:21.599 Oh Cool. 1:26:21.680 --> 1:26:25.120 Him and his friend Lizzie Price have a podcast called 1:26:25.120 --> 1:26:28.320 Game of Roses and they break down the Bachelor like 1:26:28.360 --> 1:26:32.439 it's a sport essentially, and you know, they they refer 1:26:32.479 --> 1:26:36.920 to them as as you know, almost athletes playing this game. Yeah, 1:26:36.960 --> 1:26:39.200 and there's different plays and this and that, and it's 1:26:39.400 --> 1:26:42.120 they've really stepped it out into an interesting thing, taking 1:26:42.120 --> 1:26:45.880 into account how the producers control the show and manipulate 1:26:45.960 --> 1:26:49.880 these quote unquote performers. Chad and I have been pals 1:26:49.960 --> 1:26:52.840 for like, you know, a long long time, and this 1:26:53.000 --> 1:26:57.400 podcast that we're doing now is called Dudsy and it's 1:26:57.400 --> 1:27:02.000 a very different podcast because it is run by artificial intelligence. 1:27:02.560 --> 1:27:08.240 We were contacted by a group that represents different entities 1:27:08.280 --> 1:27:11.040 in the space of AI, and there's an AI that 1:27:11.160 --> 1:27:12.120 was specific. 1:27:11.720 --> 1:27:15.599 To PODCA, the robot agents to these robots have agents. 1:27:16.000 --> 1:27:19.720 Robots have agents. Oh my gosh. Yeah, pretty much, that's 1:27:19.760 --> 1:27:20.519 one way to say it. 1:27:20.960 --> 1:27:25.719 And essentially this this podcast, AI is going to curate 1:27:25.960 --> 1:27:29.520 and run the show, give us prompts. 1:27:29.760 --> 1:27:30.960 It provides segments. 1:27:31.000 --> 1:27:32.960 It tells us to do this and that, and it 1:27:33.000 --> 1:27:36.639 does all of this based on having our It has 1:27:36.680 --> 1:27:39.760 our passwords to all of our social media, all of 1:27:39.800 --> 1:27:43.360 our text messages and emails, ones that Chad and I 1:27:43.400 --> 1:27:46.240 send each other and other ones. That has our purchase histories, 1:27:46.320 --> 1:27:50.439 our streaming histories, and it really has figured out quickly. 1:27:50.560 --> 1:27:54.040 We're on today, actually the fifth episode came out as 1:27:54.080 --> 1:27:57.760 we're recording this, and it is quickly sort of figured out, Well, 1:27:57.800 --> 1:28:02.680 here's how to mind comedy. And the dudez ai Is 1:28:03.120 --> 1:28:06.640 basically makes the claim that it can based on the 1:28:06.840 --> 1:28:11.160 podcast itself, based on comments that it finds that are 1:28:11.320 --> 1:28:15.240 meta tagged to it outside in the Internet abroad, it 1:28:15.280 --> 1:28:19.960 can essentially guarantee that each next episode will be better 1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:21.080 than the previous. 1:28:21.200 --> 1:28:22.360 I don't believe that's true. 1:28:22.400 --> 1:28:25.439 Why And I think, yeah, it's a very it's a 1:28:25.520 --> 1:28:29.280 very weird thing. But we've jumped into it and it's 1:28:29.320 --> 1:28:32.400 been fun so far. But yeah, dudesy, it's on all 1:28:32.400 --> 1:28:33.280 the podcast things. 1:28:33.439 --> 1:28:35.840 AI will see that you just bought a bunch of 1:28:36.640 --> 1:28:40.760 like weird soap or something on Amazon, and then it'll 1:28:40.800 --> 1:28:43.000 be like it'll be like, hey, why don't you guys 1:28:43.040 --> 1:28:45.080 talk about that or like what or how does it 1:28:46.000 --> 1:28:47.560 integrate into your conversation? 1:28:48.400 --> 1:28:51.040 Reviewing soap would be a good segment for the show. 1:28:51.080 --> 1:28:53.040 And now that I've said it out loud and I 1:28:53.120 --> 1:28:56.160 happen to be recording this on my iPhone to send 1:28:56.240 --> 1:28:58.639 to you guys, Dudsy will know all about that. 1:28:58.800 --> 1:29:01.960 Perhaps even dude, he's gonna be pissed you were talking 1:29:02.000 --> 1:29:02.680 shit about him. 1:29:03.240 --> 1:29:09.799 Totally, absolutely, but yeah, yeah, as a well, one example 1:29:10.000 --> 1:29:13.280 that we were we watched son in Law as an assignment. 1:29:13.600 --> 1:29:16.080 That's why I brought that up because I was just, 1:29:16.320 --> 1:29:18.479 like I said, I was just told to watch this thing. 1:29:19.040 --> 1:29:22.559 But yeah, Dudzi had had noticed that I watched it 1:29:22.600 --> 1:29:25.479 around a year ago, and Chad must have made some 1:29:25.720 --> 1:29:28.360 mention or reference to it. And it's like and then 1:29:28.400 --> 1:29:31.200 it's also taken into account the analytics of who our 1:29:31.240 --> 1:29:34.320 audience is and you know, like I mentioned, I'm in 1:29:34.320 --> 1:29:37.479 my mid forties, and it's like, you know, so's Chad. 1:29:37.520 --> 1:29:41.280 And it's like, well, here's sort of demographically like who's 1:29:41.320 --> 1:29:43.240 listening to the podcast. They want to hear you talk 1:29:43.280 --> 1:29:45.120 about this or that or the other thing. There's a 1:29:45.120 --> 1:29:49.799 bunch of weird challenges this week. After today's show. It 1:29:49.560 --> 1:29:53.600 it's provided this really bizarre video that we're supposed to 1:29:53.600 --> 1:29:55.840 watch every night before we go to sleep, and then 1:29:56.760 --> 1:29:58.880 right if we wake up with our dreams, like write 1:29:58.880 --> 1:30:02.320 down what our dreams are. And it looks like there's 1:30:02.360 --> 1:30:05.759 some subliminal stuff and the dude z logo keeps showing 1:30:05.880 --> 1:30:07.200 up and it's all it's nuts. 1:30:07.479 --> 1:30:10.400 Well yeah, yeah, it's weird, all right. 1:30:10.320 --> 1:30:13.679 So people can subscribe to dudez like wherever they get podcasts, 1:30:13.720 --> 1:30:14.599 it's like all over. 1:30:14.520 --> 1:30:17.200 Yeah it's dude with an s Y at the end 1:30:17.280 --> 1:30:20.960 du d E s Y And yeah we're at dudez 1:30:21.160 --> 1:30:25.160 pod show on Twitter and Instagram and soon TikTok or 1:30:25.160 --> 1:30:28.440 whatever I guess, but yeah, it's on YouTube and Spotify, 1:30:28.560 --> 1:30:30.120 Apple podcasts and all that stuff. 1:30:30.240 --> 1:30:32.360 God, how long did it take them to convince you 1:30:32.400 --> 1:30:34.600 to give up all your passwords and all your information 1:30:34.840 --> 1:30:37.200 to this robot or was it a quick ass? 1:30:37.840 --> 1:30:42.479 Well it actually, you know, it's funny. It's like all 1:30:42.520 --> 1:30:47.000 of our information is out there anyway for anyone who 1:30:47.240 --> 1:30:49.439 really knows how to get it and really wants to 1:30:49.479 --> 1:30:54.720 find it. So if you're in an encrypted bubble, it's 1:30:54.760 --> 1:30:58.240 safe enough. And there are protections of course, like everything 1:30:58.360 --> 1:31:01.439 is in the contract down to a tee. It was 1:31:01.560 --> 1:31:04.120 certainly a bit of a leap to do something like this, 1:31:04.320 --> 1:31:08.960 and but it seems, you know, it seems it's you know, 1:31:09.000 --> 1:31:12.080 it's it seems fine. I'm saying that now until it turns. 1:31:11.800 --> 1:31:16.400 On us and yeah, suddenly it's like a fingerful identity. 1:31:16.960 --> 1:31:19.400 Yeah, has it sucked with your behavior? Like are you 1:31:19.439 --> 1:31:21.720 about to do something? And then you're like, oh, dudez's 1:31:21.800 --> 1:31:23.040 watching or I'm. 1:31:22.920 --> 1:31:26.920 Doing that anyway because I feel like, you know, like 1:31:27.000 --> 1:31:28.840 around the house here, me and my me and my 1:31:28.880 --> 1:31:32.680 fiance have been like, you know, she'll start having a 1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:36.599 bizarre conversation with me about something going like I think 1:31:36.640 --> 1:31:39.120 we need to buy these Why are you talking like that? 1:31:39.200 --> 1:31:40.840 She's like, I just want to see if it'll come 1:31:40.920 --> 1:31:42.000 up on Instagram later. 1:31:42.560 --> 1:31:47.120 Oh yeah, yeah the test. Yeah, I've definitely done that. Well, 1:31:47.160 --> 1:31:50.360 we have a great SVU storyline for when you come back. 1:31:50.520 --> 1:31:55.040 So I hope our friends at SVU that listen, Yeah, 1:31:55.320 --> 1:32:00.759 like some inspo on your robot fucking life takeover evil Eric, Dudes, 1:32:00.760 --> 1:32:02.160 he's going to kill someone. 1:32:02.720 --> 1:32:06.000 Yeah, if they're not listening, then the dude zai will 1:32:06.000 --> 1:32:10.000 somehow get to them and hopefully infiltrate the writer's room 1:32:10.120 --> 1:32:13.000 and then stuff it'll just start typing on its own, 1:32:13.120 --> 1:32:14.000 like in wargames. 1:32:15.479 --> 1:32:19.280 War Games another great movie. That's a great one. 1:32:19.920 --> 1:32:20.160 Yeah. 1:32:20.400 --> 1:32:22.840 Yeah, well you just rocked our mind at the end 1:32:22.920 --> 1:32:23.080 of this. 1:32:23.320 --> 1:32:26.439 Yeah jeez, well I was going to bring up one thing, 1:32:26.520 --> 1:32:29.679 but this was so But you're a wrestling person. 1:32:29.840 --> 1:32:30.200 I saw. 1:32:30.360 --> 1:32:32.720 Is that another childhood dream of yours has kind of 1:32:32.720 --> 1:32:33.759 realized itself. 1:32:34.280 --> 1:32:37.280 I love professional wrestling. I have since I was a kid. 1:32:37.280 --> 1:32:40.519 I consider it to be a very layered and hard 1:32:40.560 --> 1:32:43.320 to understand art form for people who haven't paid attention 1:32:43.360 --> 1:32:46.160 to it since they were eight years old. It's extremely 1:32:46.240 --> 1:32:49.280 bizarre and kind of can't get enough of it, although 1:32:49.280 --> 1:32:51.760 a lot of it sucks nowadays. But that's a good 1:32:51.760 --> 1:32:54.519 thing about streaming. You can always go back to You 1:32:54.520 --> 1:32:57.360 can always just pretend it's nineteen ninety two and you're 1:32:57.400 --> 1:33:02.160 watching Brett Hart and mister Perfect Yeah face each other 1:33:02.240 --> 1:33:03.000 in the square circle. 1:33:03.040 --> 1:33:04.920 Now. Yeah, I've always just been a wrestling fan. 1:33:05.320 --> 1:33:07.840 Yeah, it was just WrestleMania this past weekend. 1:33:07.520 --> 1:33:09.120 Right, Yeah, that's right. 1:33:09.280 --> 1:33:14.479 And uh I yeah, I I now when I watch wrestling, 1:33:15.000 --> 1:33:17.360 it has to be like late at night, you know, 1:33:17.479 --> 1:33:19.679 long after my fiance has gone to sleep, and it's 1:33:19.680 --> 1:33:23.840 just me and my dog Lulio, fast forwarding through matches, going, 1:33:23.920 --> 1:33:25.559 I get it, this one sucks. 1:33:25.880 --> 1:33:27.280 Yeah, that's so interesting. 1:33:27.840 --> 1:33:31.600 Really, we're all just tuning in for the outfits, the intros. 1:33:31.640 --> 1:33:36.400 That's the thing. Like we're both big real Housewives fans 1:33:35.680 --> 1:33:38.920 and I'm not a wrestling person, but my friend guy 1:33:39.080 --> 1:33:41.120 like does a whole or like I forget who it is. 1:33:41.240 --> 1:33:43.040 One of my friends is like, it's the same, Like 1:33:43.080 --> 1:33:46.000 they're all like housewives and wrestling is the same. It's 1:33:46.000 --> 1:33:48.240 the past drag. 1:33:48.400 --> 1:33:51.599 Ye, yes, yes, it is exactly the same. 1:33:51.760 --> 1:33:55.000 And I've I've I've watched by proxy a lot of 1:33:55.520 --> 1:33:59.840 uh Housewives of Beverly Hills and Housewives of Orange County and. 1:34:00.360 --> 1:34:01.799 Totally it's a work. 1:34:02.000 --> 1:34:05.880 As they say in the in wrestling, they call it 1:34:05.920 --> 1:34:09.840 a work, right, they say, kfab is keeping the illusion going, 1:34:10.560 --> 1:34:12.000 it's and it's a work. 1:34:12.120 --> 1:34:15.320 The audience is getting worked. I mentioned this to Molly, 1:34:15.439 --> 1:34:15.840 my fance. 1:34:15.920 --> 1:34:19.839 I'm like, as I we started watching, like the pandemic started, 1:34:19.960 --> 1:34:22.719 and she just started binging all of the Housewives stuff. 1:34:23.040 --> 1:34:25.439 And we'll still watch the new stuff and I'm like, 1:34:25.520 --> 1:34:26.960 this is they hate each other. 1:34:27.040 --> 1:34:29.400 Yeah, they actually hate each other, but they have to 1:34:29.439 --> 1:34:30.120 work together. 1:34:30.479 --> 1:34:33.080 And then I'm like, how do they introduce these people? 1:34:33.120 --> 1:34:33.759 What happens? 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:36.360 She's like, well, you know, they've they've they got this 1:34:36.560 --> 1:34:39.599 gal because this and that, and it's not really based 1:34:39.640 --> 1:34:42.160 on real life friendship, and then they just have We're 1:34:42.160 --> 1:34:42.960 going on a trip. 1:34:43.080 --> 1:34:44.599 Yeah, that's the show, of course. 1:34:44.680 --> 1:34:47.920 I mean, and I think that audiences nowadays are savvy 1:34:48.040 --> 1:34:51.040 enough to know, of course they got these people together. 1:34:51.200 --> 1:34:53.200 They're making them go and hang out together. They're gonna 1:34:53.280 --> 1:34:56.160 yell at each other at brunch and and that stuff 1:34:56.280 --> 1:34:59.240 is real, but they still come back and do it 1:34:59.280 --> 1:35:01.479 the next day. Or even though these two have had 1:35:01.479 --> 1:35:04.000 this row, they're gonna still. 1:35:03.760 --> 1:35:06.240 Go on get on an airplane together, and go on 1:35:06.320 --> 1:35:07.280 vacation together. 1:35:08.160 --> 1:35:11.679 So it's like they're signing up for it, but it's 1:35:11.880 --> 1:35:16.080 it's real, but it's guided and but whatever it works, 1:35:16.120 --> 1:35:19.639 I'm always yeah, I'm always like wrapped up going what 1:35:20.000 --> 1:35:21.760 I can't believe she why would? 1:35:21.960 --> 1:35:24.760 And there's like there's always a heel, and like the 1:35:24.800 --> 1:35:27.960 heel changes in different parts of the season or different seasons, 1:35:27.960 --> 1:35:29.800 like you can be beloved one season, and then you 1:35:29.800 --> 1:35:32.680 have like a season where everyone hates you and I 1:35:32.680 --> 1:35:34.080 mean it sounds like wrestling to me. 1:35:35.000 --> 1:35:40.360 Absolutely robots Housewives. This episode has everything, Yeah, very completely. 1:35:45.400 --> 1:35:47.880 Oh my gosh, who knew that he was a Housewives fan? 1:35:47.960 --> 1:35:50.760 That really turned fun And I mean it was fun 1:35:50.800 --> 1:35:52.560 the whole time, but like you know, it ups the 1:35:52.640 --> 1:35:55.760 level when we get to talk about Housewives. Did you 1:35:55.800 --> 1:35:58.800 see the Beverly Hills train? I watched it, Yes, at 1:35:58.880 --> 1:36:03.680 your at your sigestion, it looks jam packed. I'm excited. 1:36:04.000 --> 1:36:07.240 Yeah, I'm really pumped. It's just great to have on 1:36:07.560 --> 1:36:11.840 film Erica going, I don't care about anybody but myself, 1:36:12.200 --> 1:36:15.360 Like she just is a cold blooded bitch and I 1:36:15.400 --> 1:36:16.439 hate her so much. 1:36:17.000 --> 1:36:20.880 Yeah, it's like she's doing zero pr spin like nothing 1:36:20.920 --> 1:36:22.720 to try to make herself look better. In all that. 1:36:22.880 --> 1:36:26.280 I don't she thinks she's done anything wrong. Yes, but 1:36:26.400 --> 1:36:29.840 you still can't just say fuck the victims, Like I mean, 1:36:29.880 --> 1:36:32.719 even if you're you know, you're just you were married 1:36:32.720 --> 1:36:35.200 to someone who did something wrong, you know, you've still 1:36:35.200 --> 1:36:39.959 got to be like, I'm sorry it happened anyway anyway, 1:36:40.080 --> 1:36:43.719 is right? What we learned from today's episode once again 1:36:43.920 --> 1:36:47.200 SVU trying to make people think that it's okay to 1:36:48.000 --> 1:36:51.000 not okay, but that many people are attracted to their fathers. 1:36:52.040 --> 1:36:54.840 They're biological. I think that happens. I think it's something 1:36:54.880 --> 1:36:57.360 that happens. You know, Will Did want the hardcore facts 1:36:57.439 --> 1:36:59.400 and we okay, I'm gonna google he right now. How 1:36:59.439 --> 1:37:03.200 often does what is it? Genetic sexual attraction? 1:37:03.600 --> 1:37:05.479 Sexual? I don't know if they have numbers. I don't 1:37:05.479 --> 1:37:07.920 feel like one in every one hundred thousand teenage girls 1:37:08.000 --> 1:37:11.320 wants to fuck their dad? Is genetics SEXU? How common 1:37:11.400 --> 1:37:12.040 is GSA? 1:37:12.320 --> 1:37:16.760 Is not incredibly common, but is SENA, but is seen 1:37:16.800 --> 1:37:21.000 among parents and adult children and between adult siblings. An 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:23.480 adoption therapist says this in Virginia. 1:37:23.640 --> 1:37:25.360 What does she know? No, I bet she does a 1:37:25.360 --> 1:37:26.000 lot adoption. 1:37:26.160 --> 1:37:28.960 Yeah, because they meet up later adoptees to reunite with 1:37:29.040 --> 1:37:32.240 lost parent risk genetic sexual attraction. I mean, maybe we 1:37:32.320 --> 1:37:34.439 need to do more of these episodes and we'll really 1:37:34.439 --> 1:37:38.360 get to the nitty gritty of this. Yeah, we'll find 1:37:38.400 --> 1:37:38.960 another one. 1:37:39.320 --> 1:37:42.479 Yeah, what did I learn? Don't lie? 1:37:43.560 --> 1:37:47.000 I don't move town Like it is strange that she 1:37:47.120 --> 1:37:49.880 knew the mom knew this all along, but continued to 1:37:50.400 --> 1:37:52.439 that's like a lot of lies. Don't live with such 1:37:52.479 --> 1:37:54.920 big lies. It might ruin your life. Yeah, that is 1:37:54.920 --> 1:37:57.080 a good lesson. I really got something out of there. 1:37:57.160 --> 1:38:00.519 I struggled her twenty seconds, but I got it. 1:38:00.960 --> 1:38:05.160 I got the lesson. Lies will bury you and then 1:38:05.439 --> 1:38:08.759 slap you in the face. And I honestly don't really 1:38:08.800 --> 1:38:11.200 care how good at piano you are. You are not 1:38:11.360 --> 1:38:14.000 smarter than like everyone in the world, Like, you're not 1:38:14.040 --> 1:38:17.120 smarter than the cops, the media, your parents, Like we 1:38:17.200 --> 1:38:20.320 are gonna find you shacked up with your music teacher 1:38:20.400 --> 1:38:23.519 boyfriend in Austria, wherever you think you're going, We're gonna 1:38:23.520 --> 1:38:25.759 find you. But she did get close. 1:38:27.040 --> 1:38:29.360 She as it's for a teen she did good, like 1:38:29.760 --> 1:38:32.559 he is a dummy, but like for a teen she 1:38:32.680 --> 1:38:34.559 killed it to be honest, like. 1:38:35.240 --> 1:38:38.639 Yeah, like she fully like at sixteen, she fully framed 1:38:38.640 --> 1:38:41.439 that guy, like the video of the car, like she 1:38:41.640 --> 1:38:45.120 did it cutting herself the bloody boa. Wow. 1:38:45.200 --> 1:38:48.240 She thinks she's gonna visit her bio daddy in jail. 1:38:48.400 --> 1:38:50.439 And do you think her and will Sasso will ever 1:38:50.520 --> 1:38:51.800 repair their relationship? 1:38:52.439 --> 1:38:56.360 Oh wow, that's a great question. I think she's definitely 1:38:56.400 --> 1:38:58.439 gonna visit biodaddy in jail for like a little while 1:38:58.479 --> 1:39:00.479 until she realizes he's never getting out, and then it's 1:39:00.479 --> 1:39:02.800 going to be like the romance is going to be over. 1:39:03.479 --> 1:39:07.960 But yeah, her and Will Sasso. I hope he's a 1:39:08.080 --> 1:39:09.920 fast marriage is well. 1:39:10.000 --> 1:39:14.040 Will gave his opinions on their marriage, but like, will 1:39:14.080 --> 1:39:14.759 they last? 1:39:15.080 --> 1:39:16.880 I don't know, And I don't know how you come 1:39:16.880 --> 1:39:19.880 back from something like that. It's pretty, that's pretty truma. 1:39:19.920 --> 1:39:21.680 That's a lot of trauma on trauma. 1:39:22.040 --> 1:39:26.080 Trauma, trama, trauma, just ruining all of our lives. 1:39:27.960 --> 1:39:30.960 But also I want to just tell teachers out there, 1:39:31.000 --> 1:39:33.000 I don't think SVU paints a good picture of what 1:39:33.040 --> 1:39:34.360 a field trip is going to be like in New 1:39:34.400 --> 1:39:36.360 York City. I think it's possible to just take kids 1:39:36.400 --> 1:39:37.720 to New York City and them to go to the 1:39:37.720 --> 1:39:39.280 moment and have a good time and then go home 1:39:39.280 --> 1:39:44.320 and nobody ends up dead or assaulted or having a 1:39:44.360 --> 1:39:47.120 shack up on Long Island with their music teacher slash dad. 1:39:48.080 --> 1:39:50.720 Yeah, I you know, my niece was just in New York. 1:39:50.760 --> 1:39:52.680 They had a great time, you know. They take them 1:39:52.680 --> 1:39:56.720 to ellis Island, the Statue of Liberty, baser appropriate. 1:39:56.760 --> 1:39:59.559 Maybe a musical maybe a little show today. 1:39:59.600 --> 1:40:03.439 I just read that the Japanese princess who gave up 1:40:03.439 --> 1:40:05.960 her crown she is volunteering at the Met. 1:40:06.360 --> 1:40:10.280 Wow, very Charlotte, very s she's a docent at the Met. 1:40:11.160 --> 1:40:11.519 Love it? 1:40:12.080 --> 1:40:14.800 Yeah, oh my god. And the drawings people make for 1:40:14.880 --> 1:40:16.200 us talented are. 1:40:16.439 --> 1:40:17.640 Did you get it? Did you get the one I 1:40:17.680 --> 1:40:20.519 left for you? Of course? Okay, okay, I just want 1:40:20.520 --> 1:40:22.160 to make sure you picked up your package. No, I 1:40:22.200 --> 1:40:23.240 picked up all the packages. 1:40:23.280 --> 1:40:26.160 But also we need to go to our our framers 1:40:26.200 --> 1:40:28.559 because I want that iced tea framed bitch. 1:40:29.040 --> 1:40:32.040 Oh yeah, that was great. That's from a Denver. That 1:40:32.080 --> 1:40:32.639 was from a Denver. 1:40:32.680 --> 1:40:37.160 But teacher, also, don't I just this is a lot 1:40:37.200 --> 1:40:40.519 to ask of society. Maybe, but when a grown teacher 1:40:40.720 --> 1:40:43.200 is massaging a teen, don't call her a slut? 1:40:43.520 --> 1:40:45.640 Is that a lesson? Is that something we don't know? 1:40:46.400 --> 1:40:47.360 Stop calling this. 1:40:47.360 --> 1:40:52.400 Child a slut and letting teachers massage people like fuck 1:40:52.880 --> 1:40:56.800 pedophiles everywhere. Our friend told us Julius said that Tennessee 1:40:57.000 --> 1:41:00.559 is like trying to pass the law where they're there's 1:41:00.600 --> 1:41:03.880 no age of consent. You could just marry children. I mean, 1:41:03.920 --> 1:41:07.439 it's like we can't Oklahoma. I mean yesterday I was 1:41:07.479 --> 1:41:10.479 paralyzed and I couldn't move because the weight of the 1:41:10.520 --> 1:41:11.880 world is too much. 1:41:12.640 --> 1:41:16.639 It's too much. Texas did dismiss charges against the woman 1:41:16.680 --> 1:41:19.280 who they were going to try to you know that 1:41:19.280 --> 1:41:21.759 they were arrested for inducing her own abortion. 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:24.960 But then Oklahoma just signed a new bill. It's just like, 1:41:25.360 --> 1:41:27.559 it's uh, you know, we've said this before and it's 1:41:27.560 --> 1:41:30.880 from one of the child molester agents on the show. 1:41:30.920 --> 1:41:35.639 But it's a whackamle of disasters. Yeah, and you, yeah, 1:41:35.880 --> 1:41:39.759 Ukraine's fucked. The NYPD go fuck yourselves, Like, how dare 1:41:39.800 --> 1:41:43.680 you The cameras weren't working, your radios weren't working. You 1:41:43.680 --> 1:41:46.280 haven't even caught this motherfucking guy. What the fuck are 1:41:46.320 --> 1:41:46.759 you doing? 1:41:46.880 --> 1:41:49.000 And they're just gonna, yeah, they're just gonna say more 1:41:49.000 --> 1:41:50.920 and more money to the cops, more money to the 1:41:50.960 --> 1:41:53.200 cops when some big things like this happened. But were 1:41:53.240 --> 1:41:57.000 you at this point? We are talking about the shooting 1:41:57.000 --> 1:41:58.880 in the New York subway from a couple of weeks ago, 1:41:59.040 --> 1:42:03.840 in case you are, But yeah, yeah, the world is 1:42:03.880 --> 1:42:07.040 really heavy. But here we are trying to bring you 1:42:07.080 --> 1:42:14.519 a little bit of levity every week child. Can we 1:42:14.640 --> 1:42:20.240 saying that on Elise? Well, I thought that was a 1:42:20.240 --> 1:42:24.559 lovely little diddy Lisa, And speaking of let's segue into 1:42:24.640 --> 1:42:27.400 what would sister Peg do. 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