Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 1: These episodes are based on. These are our stories, Dune Done.
Speaker 2: Hello, welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. My
Speaker 2: name is Lisa Traeger, my name is Kara Klank, And
Speaker 2: you guys know what we do here.
Speaker 1: We talk SVU. We talked the true crime that was
Speaker 1: based on and then we interview some awesome person that
Speaker 1: was involved with the episode.
Speaker 2: And yeah, today's now lots some exciting things. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: gotta jump in immediately. Kara is live from Palm Springs.
Speaker 2: Are you wearing a purple shirt? No, it's an Avy,
Speaker 2: it's ivy. But I do have to bring up like
Speaker 2: I you know, when people say I'm shook, I've never
Speaker 2: been shook until uh oh I saw the All Winners
Speaker 2: drag race. Okay, I amok. I like, wow, you know,
Speaker 2: because we've been hating on this season. Oh it's too long,
Speaker 2: send these bitches home. And now when I saw that,
Speaker 2: I truly was like, I told you that it was
Speaker 2: gonna be All Winners though, didn't I Oh, I knew it.
Speaker 2: I'm on the outside. I've talked to multiple people about it.
Speaker 2: I know people who have judged on it. People broke
Speaker 2: all of their NDAs. Yeah, forgot about it, saw the line,
Speaker 2: saw that photo and lost it. Yeah, those are superstars.
Speaker 2: There's not a stinker in the bunch.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My friend this morning goes, yeah, tell me who some
Speaker 1: of the queens are before the announcement, and I go, wow,
Speaker 1: somebody told it to me months ago, and I would
Speaker 1: have thought I know it by heart, but I was like,
Speaker 1: I think it's so and so and so, Like I
Speaker 1: couldn't remember, and I haven't even seen the photo.
Speaker 2: I oh, And I watched the pit stop this week
Speaker 2: of Drag Race, and Bob the Drag Queen said, there's
Speaker 2: more twists than oddly in this season.
Speaker 1: There's more twists than than oddly. That's Bob is like
Speaker 1: a Legit could be like one of the most famous
Speaker 1: stand up.
Speaker 2: Comedians in the world. If you mean he's selling out,
Speaker 2: he's selling out. Yes, Yeah, I was him and Monett together.
Speaker 2: So that was a glorious episode. House Palm Springs.
Speaker 1: It's good so far. It's a little cooler than I'd like.
Speaker 1: I guess there's kind of a cold snap everywhere, because
Speaker 1: we did leave Portland in the middle of a snowstorm.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's supposed to warm up this afternoon, so
Speaker 1: I'm excited to hop into the pool. But yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1: All right, Well that's fantastic. I know, I have nothing
Speaker 1: to report. It's like, you know, Rosie keeps wanting to
Speaker 1: go into the hot pool as she's calling it the
Speaker 1: hot tub, and we're having at we're having a good time.
Speaker 1: It's nice to just like relax. We had a run
Speaker 1: of amazing shows. Thank you everybody who came out in
Speaker 1: Seattle and Portland, you know, except for people that got
Speaker 1: kicked out, but the rest of you, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming out. And yeah, it was just so
Speaker 1: nice to meet everybody and perform. And I had a.
Speaker 2: Blast the Aladdin. Yeah, you guys are really cool and
Speaker 2: you laugh at what we say. So that's what that's
Speaker 2: all I really true need. And so many nice gifts,
Speaker 2: so many nice give top of it, these oh my god,
Speaker 2: bopfle gifts.
Speaker 1: You guys are psycho. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I just love the attention to detail about our spirits.
Speaker 2: There are some things that I looked at and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, like, this is touching, touching,
Speaker 2: and we got a pink scented resume, so.
Speaker 1: General thrilling, amazing. He handed us his resume and fled
Speaker 1: and we were like, and he goes, they're scented, and
Speaker 1: then fled into the night and it was amazing.
Speaker 2: But I cannot be drinking this. And please do not
Speaker 2: buy me warm vodka shots. That's never a positive.
Speaker 4: Do not.
Speaker 1: I will not, Puque will not take it. A lot
Speaker 1: of twins, a lot of cross the state travels. It
Speaker 1: was very thrilling. But it's really really so sweet to
Speaker 1: hear about people getting in their car for multiple hours
Speaker 1: to come see us. So we appreciate you guys, Thank
Speaker 1: you so much.
Speaker 2: And I had some of the best meals of my life,
Speaker 2: I would say in Portland. Oh my gosh, both dinner
Speaker 2: and then I went to breakfast the next day and
Speaker 2: had one of the best breakfasts I've ever had.
Speaker 1: Back to back.
Speaker 2: I had to believe Portland really crushed it for me
Speaker 2: and food and people, yes, food and people, not weather
Speaker 2: per se.
Speaker 1: Did you you got out okay? Even though it was
Speaker 1: like monsoon, It wasn't. You're a wild you grew up
Speaker 1: on the East Coast. That was not a snowstorm, that
Speaker 1: was not a monsoon, that was not blurry so City airport.
Speaker 2: It was coming down because we were a larning when
Speaker 2: you go to the airport. Sure, but we walked outside
Speaker 2: not even an hour later, and there was no snow
Speaker 2: left on the ground.
Speaker 1: Oh it was. It was on the ground when I left.
Speaker 2: You're like the snowstorm monsoon. No, no, I left. You're
Speaker 2: telling me you walked out at eight thirty. You walked
Speaker 2: out of your hotel at eight thirty. Oh no, no, no, yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought you left later. No, we left it like
Speaker 2: tend to eat breakfast or nine thirty. There was there
Speaker 2: a lot of snow on the ground. It was we
Speaker 2: did because then we had more lounge time. And then
Speaker 2: I also, you should check your credit card. But it
Speaker 2: was twenty five dollars to stay till two pm. And
Speaker 2: I paid it. Okay, got get get good. How did
Speaker 2: you already see it? They sent me a bill. Oh great, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're on top of it. So it was
Speaker 2: twenty five dollars for an extra three hours. I think
Speaker 2: is totally worth it, totally worth it. I thought they
Speaker 2: were going to say fifty two one hundred twenty five
Speaker 2: dollars to me to lay.
Speaker 1: In a bed is like nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially since I've become an anti masker and I
Speaker 2: don't want to be. I just don't want to be
Speaker 2: at the airport in a mask like it.
Speaker 1: Really, I was like, by the time you get home,
Speaker 1: with all the flying, you just want to like rip
Speaker 1: that mask off. But also huge news.
Speaker 2: I do have new mailboxes and it is really like exciting.
Speaker 2: I like these, It's kind of it's thrilling. I love
Speaker 2: the idea of opening a mailbox.
Speaker 1: You heard it here. First Lisa's feud with the post
Speaker 1: office will be over now that she's got a new mailbox.
Speaker 1: I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I saw Queen pins so good watch Queen Pih everybody.
Speaker 2: It's on Hulu. I don't know why it wasn't a
Speaker 2: giant hit. It is awesome. I started it on my
Speaker 2: flight and I really loved it.
Speaker 1: No, so my flight didn't have my flight down up
Speaker 1: to Seattle didn't have TVs or whatever, or no, wait
Speaker 1: it did it. I don't know. Something didn't have TVs.
Speaker 1: And so I was like, I'm going to watch on
Speaker 1: my phone and what the Delta offers. And I saw
Speaker 1: Queen Pins and I started watching it and then it
Speaker 1: froze like ten minutes in. But it looked great. It is.
Speaker 2: It's based on a true crime, but it's about couponing,
Speaker 2: so it's like true crime light and so funny, great characters, suspect.
Speaker 1: I like loved it. It was really cool. I like
Speaker 1: rat at the very beginning that the best friend hates
Speaker 1: the husband and that they just like openly insult each other.
Speaker 1: I thought that was fun. That was fun.
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't get more, there's not you know, but
Speaker 2: everyone should watch that.
Speaker 1: That was very thrilling.
Speaker 2: I am sitting around so I have someone staying in
Speaker 2: my apartment, the open suitcases there. I'm going to a wedding.
Speaker 2: I'm going to New York. I wonder what the vibe
Speaker 2: will be and I and we'll see what happens. But
Speaker 2: my goal is I'm not overpacking. I'm not overpacking. I
Speaker 2: want to live a different life.
Speaker 1: I have to do different things, and I refuse to
Speaker 1: overpack pack. Maybe buy a couple of things, I refuse.
Speaker 2: I bought a dress for the wedding, A stually think goodness, okay,
Speaker 2: this is more like a phone conversation. What my bad?
Speaker 2: But I I got an amazing dress in our neighborhood,
Speaker 2: and I'm very I was I was panicking.
Speaker 1: Oh. Also, remember how like one of our last episodes,
Speaker 1: I couldn't I couldn't understand what Olivia was saying when
Speaker 1: she said like Nick Mick or something like that. So
Speaker 1: she was saying nickmic which is the National Center for
Speaker 1: Exploited and Missing Children. And thank you to the dozens
Speaker 1: of listeners who have let me know.
Speaker 2: Oh amazing, that's good because I saw those comments and
Speaker 2: I was like, what is this about?
Speaker 1: But thank you for explaining it to me. I was
Speaker 1: like Nick Mick. I listened, I rewound it seven times.
Speaker 1: I just couldn't under I and then I literally typed
Speaker 1: in Nick Mick, and of course nothing comes up. But yes, no,
Speaker 1: you guys know a lot like I was talking to someone.
Speaker 2: They're like, well, we know you've never worked retail, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, well that's wild, but we talk about it.
Speaker 2: We just talk so much. Yeah, it's all out here
Speaker 2: on that's messed up. But I'm gonna have a lot
Speaker 2: of free time. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I'm doing Molly at this wedding and I can't fucking wait.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I can't wait for you to report back.
Speaker 1: Next week's intro is gonna be lit, I hope.
Speaker 2: So you know it's hard, you know, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be great. Oh yeah, I just
Speaker 2: grabbed my phone ont Lisa's like, put your phones away,
Speaker 2: and I fucking couldn't even make it through one intro.
Speaker 1: It's fucking sick. It's so sickening. Oh, I left my
Speaker 1: glasses on the plane. No, you know what. It was
Speaker 1: one of those things where they took us on a
Speaker 1: bus to Termina. Fucking buses, and so I got on
Speaker 1: the but we got off the bus. I'm at the
Speaker 1: door and I go, fuck, my glasses are in the
Speaker 1: seatback pocket. I'm not going to get back on a
Speaker 1: bus back to the plane. Like they're they're gone, you know,
Speaker 1: they're Warby Parker's. I can get new ones. But I
Speaker 1: was they are my blue signature glasses. So I think
Speaker 1: how I lost my leather jacket. These buses are not
Speaker 1: part of my plan. Stop fucking with me, like I honey,
Speaker 1: different modes of transportation, All right, should we get started.
Speaker 1: We have a great one for you guys today. Don't
Speaker 1: really go anywhere, Okay, guys. This episode is called Send
Speaker 1: in the Clowns. I'm not allowed to sing it, but
Speaker 1: I do like that song from A Little Night Music.
Speaker 1: It is season nineteen, episode seventeen, and we open on
Speaker 1: someone in a creepy clown mask at some kind.
Speaker 2: Of like rave par is an understatement. Yeah it's Gary,
Speaker 2: not a Gary mask.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like only the upper part of the face,
Speaker 1: so it's like it covers the nose but not the mouth.
Speaker 1: It's really not cool. Very great job to the costuming
Speaker 1: or the prop department or whatever made this mask. We
Speaker 1: are seeing him, but we're also like walking through the party,
Speaker 1: but we're also seeing his POV from behind the mask,
Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of like, no, thank you. I
Speaker 1: already really don't like this. And now that we're seeing
Speaker 1: a little bit more of the party, it feels like
Speaker 1: it's less of a rave and more of like a
Speaker 1: rap party for a bunch of like musical theater dorks,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like, hey, after the play,
Speaker 1: we're all gonna go to like the teen Center and dance,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: like feather boas and people are wearing weird top hats.
Speaker 1: It's kind of strange. And then the guy with the
Speaker 1: clown mask kind of grabs this girl with a boa
Speaker 1: and she's like, stop it, you're scaring me. And he's like,
Speaker 1: how about a non alcoholic drink? What are you like fifteen?
Speaker 1: And she's like, I'm sixteen, sweet sixteen, and she's like
Speaker 1: flirting with this man who could truly have any face
Speaker 1: he is is in a clown mask, Like, I would
Speaker 1: definitely need to like see skin and eyes before I
Speaker 1: decided that I'm going to start flirting with a man
Speaker 1: in a mask. And now they're at the bar of
Speaker 1: this weird party where teenagers are and the weird man
Speaker 1: has still not taken off the clown mask, and the
Speaker 1: girl is somehow still okay with this, and her friend's like,
Speaker 1: we don't party like this at home, because of course
Speaker 1: they're from Pennsylvania and are in New York on spring
Speaker 1: break with their music class, so I was not that
Speaker 1: far off with my musical theater dork reference. The girl
Speaker 1: that's the friend explains that boa girl, the girl wearing
Speaker 1: a bobe is Haley, and she's a piano prodigy and
Speaker 1: she's gonna play at Carnegie Hall one day and tonight
Speaker 1: they're just gonna party. And she's like, it's you and
Speaker 1: me to the guy in the clown mask, a man
Speaker 1: who's face she has not yet seen. I'm blown away.
Speaker 1: So now they're all dancing close to this like industrial music,
Speaker 1: still no face from clown man. And now I do
Speaker 1: see someone dressed as a ring master, and so I
Speaker 1: do realize that this is a full circle themed party.
Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't really putting it together at first,
Speaker 1: but once I see the ring master with the whip,
Speaker 1: I'm like, here we are all eyes on me in
Speaker 1: the center of the ring. And I guess Haley thinks
Speaker 1: feather boas are very circusy. I mean, her outfit doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense to me. But here they are. Now
Speaker 1: Haley and clown boy are in some kind of magic
Speaker 1: parlor of this party and having like a private magic
Speaker 1: show from a magician who has his hands closed. And
Speaker 1: she picks the left hand, but that hand is empty,
Speaker 1: and in the right hand is a card and it
Speaker 1: says death on it. And Haley looks like a little
Speaker 1: bit fucked up here, but it's hard to tell, like
Speaker 1: they don't make it very obvious, like she's not woozy
Speaker 1: falling down, but she seems a smidge fucked up.
Speaker 2: I'm not I definitely thought when he was opening his
Speaker 2: hands there would be like pills, but yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: he was weirding taro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also like a card doesn't fit into your
Speaker 1: hand very well. I'm not sure how she fucked that up.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we cut from this clown to another clown
Speaker 1: on top of a cake, and it's Finn's son in law, Alejandro,
Speaker 1: bringing him a clown birthday cake at the precinct for
Speaker 1: a little surprise party that Finn didn't know about. His
Speaker 1: son Ken is there. The whole squad is clapping, and
Speaker 1: I was like, this clown cake is weird? Why did
Speaker 1: they get him a clown cake? And then Finn goes
Speaker 1: see clowns. I saw little colorful dots. I liked the cake, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was a clown cake and had a big
Speaker 1: clown on it.
Speaker 2: I missed the clown I totally. I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: cool spots.
Speaker 1: Well, then Finn, right as I'm wondering why is this
Speaker 1: a weird clown cake? Finn goes clown cake and so
Speaker 1: he was reading my mind and they're like, oh, Jaden
Speaker 1: picked it out, and that is Finn's little grandson who's
Speaker 1: about a year old, and he's super cute, and Finn
Speaker 1: is like a super proud grandpa. Jaden's cue. Everyone is,
Speaker 1: you know, and we all know that whenever everyone's in
Speaker 1: the squad having like a wholesome family moment, that shit's
Speaker 1: about to get really horrific and a crime is about
Speaker 1: to be reported. So Olivia has her cute little curtain
Speaker 1: bangs again that I like, and she's explaining Finn's family
Speaker 1: tree to Stone and then like inviting him to Safer Cake.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking in these seasons that there is kind
Speaker 1: of a vibe between them, but I think maybe they
Speaker 1: tried for it and it didn't work, and that's why
Speaker 1: he bounced out of the show so quickly. They were like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe this will be something, but then it kind of
Speaker 1: I don't think the chemistry was there, but I definitely
Speaker 1: remember thinking they're going to try to make something with this, yeah,
Speaker 1: but then they realized he had no personality and was
Speaker 1: just like a cardboard box of a yes truly, And
Speaker 1: so back at the clown Rave, Haley's friend is now
Speaker 1: frantically searching for her everywhere. She's asking a guy dressed
Speaker 1: as a mime who does not give like a remote
Speaker 1: piece of a shit, and like, no one knows where
Speaker 1: your friend is. And she goes outside. She's calling Haley
Speaker 1: on the phone. She's so upset. She's like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be in so much trouble. It's past curfew. She's freaking out.
Speaker 1: And did you ever go on a trip like this
Speaker 1: where you were unsupervised at night? Like I went in
Speaker 1: eighth grade, which is a little bit younger than them.
Speaker 1: I went on a trip to DC with like my
Speaker 1: whole class, but we were like supervised the whole time.
Speaker 1: It was never like go out in a mall during
Speaker 1: the day and then meet back at a certain time,
Speaker 1: but at night, it was never like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: sure they snuck out. I'm sure they weren't allowed. But
Speaker 1: I feel like on a lot of these trips, like
Speaker 1: no one's checking where these kids are. Oh yeah, class
Speaker 1: VU field trips, they're just out and about in New York.
Speaker 2: City, because like I think they are sneaking out of
Speaker 2: the hotels. But I've heard I didn't go on these
Speaker 2: big trips with my class, but I have heard of
Speaker 2: like the teachers would tape the doors shut, So if
Speaker 2: you did escape, interesting, Yeah, but I remember for the
Speaker 2: swim team, like we ran around and I was throwing
Speaker 2: like water balloons on people. I did that kind of trip,
Speaker 2: but we were old, we were teens. Yeah, I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: My niece is actually in New York right now with
Speaker 1: her class trip. Oh my gosh, be careful, don't go out.
Speaker 1: Don't talk to anybody who's telling me were where. There's
Speaker 1: a cool party at Hudson. You dude.
Speaker 2: She will barely talk to people who love her like me.
Speaker 2: She's not going to talk to a stranger. Well good,
Speaker 2: I'm glad she's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be safe anyway. So the cold open blacks out
Speaker 1: on Haley's friend just screaming her name on a New
Speaker 1: York City street and she looks very, very terrified. And
Speaker 1: then we're at the credits, So top of act one,
Speaker 1: we're at the precinct walking and talking, and Rollins goes
Speaker 1: to Finn, I love this. This is maybe one of
Speaker 1: my top moments I've ever seen on SVU. Rollins goes
Speaker 1: to Finn, has Jayden seen paw patrol? Jesse is obsessed?
Speaker 1: You gotta watch it, And Finn goes no, I don't
Speaker 1: and just bounces. It is one of the best burns.
Speaker 1: I love that Finn. It's like Amanda, paw Patrol is
Speaker 1: a disease. Why are you trying to tell Finn that
Speaker 1: he should catch it? Like it makes no sense? Like
Speaker 1: I would never say to another parent you would love
Speaker 1: paw Patrol. It's like vapid and badly written, and it
Speaker 1: just something that Rosie's obsessed with, and I cannot wait
Speaker 1: for the obsession to pass. There's other shows Blue. I'd
Speaker 1: say Blue. I would tell other parents, get your ass
Speaker 1: to Blue right now. It's one of the best. There's
Speaker 1: so many good shows, Rollin's. This goes in the bad Columny,
Speaker 1: but they're a Paw Patrol fan. It doesn't matter. It's bad.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even glorify cops. It's just a bad show.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I've never real baby laugh so hard when
Speaker 1: Finn goes no, I don't well, I mean, I thought
Speaker 1: of you and Rosie the whole time. It was perfect.
Speaker 1: And so next thing we see is Haley's friend walking
Speaker 1: in with a man and a woman to report Haley missing.
Speaker 1: The man is like, I'm the head chaperone. This is
Speaker 1: all my fault. His name is mister Turner. He's the
Speaker 1: music teacher. The woman's chaperone is Charlotte, and they're supervising
Speaker 1: fifteen girls on this field trip. They're from beaver Falls, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: and obviously Finn knows that that's where Joe Namath was born.
Speaker 1: Like random feels like a writer really wanted to get
Speaker 1: that in, but Finn has all this like football knowledge.
Speaker 1: So now Haley and Jenny the friend finally gets a name.
Speaker 1: Must have snuck out, is what she says. Okay, so
Speaker 1: they did sneak out, but I just feel like there's
Speaker 1: gotta be more. I don't know. We didn't have cell
Speaker 1: phones either, so I think sneaking out felt too scary,
Speaker 1: Like how do we get back? Where do we go?
Speaker 1: You know, like you'd only be able to go like
Speaker 1: walking distance from your hotels.
Speaker 2: I love slumber party vibes, like being in a hotel
Speaker 2: with friends. Yeah, is like I would love I love
Speaker 2: that now. I was piching you that last week. I
Speaker 2: was like, let's get a room and hang out like
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is fun. So basically, it's one of those
Speaker 1: simultaneous interviews where Charlotte is talking to Careesy and the
Speaker 1: other ones are talking to mister Turner and they're like, no,
Speaker 1: Haley doesn't have a boyfriend. Her whole life is a piano.
Speaker 1: No one at school is good enough for her. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like only strangers in clown masks for this prodigy,
Speaker 1: the best of the best. But whatever, she has no
Speaker 1: problems at home. Her family is so devoted to her,
Speaker 1: and they're on their way to New York City right now.
Speaker 1: And then Jenny tells Rollins about the club that it
Speaker 1: was sixteen plus, so she thought it would be safe.
Speaker 1: I've never heard of a sixteen plus club in New
Speaker 1: York City, but okay, so these girls were at a party.
Speaker 1: The Circus party was on the Bowery and then afterwards,
Speaker 1: Jenny said she went and checked Carnegie Hall and Lincoln Center.
Speaker 1: Those are very far away. She was like truly on
Speaker 1: a New York tour. And she does tell Rollins about
Speaker 1: the older guy in the clown mask and they say
Speaker 1: that they were at the circus dance party from eight
Speaker 1: to ten, and that's like around when she lost her
Speaker 1: So now the gang is exchanging all the details. No ATM,
Speaker 1: card pings, no social media. Her phone died before Midnight
Speaker 1: and they're like, the best case is she met a
Speaker 1: guy in lost Track of Time. Worst case, let's not
Speaker 1: go there. So now Haley's parents show up and it
Speaker 1: is Will Sasso from Mad TV. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys are fans, but I loved him on Mad
Speaker 1: TV The a King of Impressions and the mom is
Speaker 1: played by an actress named Wendy Hoops who I looked up.
Speaker 1: And she has also been on another episode of Sview
Speaker 1: called Townhouse Incident, which we will cover, and she was
Speaker 1: on an episode of Sex and the City but I
Speaker 1: did not remember her. But she is also the voice
Speaker 1: of Jane Laine and Quinn Morgendorff for on Daria, which
Speaker 1: I thought was amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to find out that she was the
Speaker 2: voice of Jane Laane and Quinn morgandor for Ann Helen
Speaker 2: is beyond. I'm so happy, and I hope the big
Speaker 2: Hulu deal she got residuals and money and she keeps
Speaker 2: getting paid. And the DVD is that I bought of
Speaker 2: the season instead. Yeah, huge, Ann. Will Sasso's so good
Speaker 2: and he's really He's gonna stretch out his acting in
Speaker 2: this episode in a way that I'm very impressed with Yeah,
Speaker 2: an incredible performance and you know, like a nice couple.
Speaker 1: And I'm humiliated.
Speaker 2: I don't remember the Sex and the City episode, but
Speaker 2: he's gonna watch it immediately after this.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, the parents immediately these actors immediately start stretching
Speaker 1: their acting chops because they start arguing in front of
Speaker 1: Benson from the moment that they get there, like the
Speaker 1: mom thinks the dad gives it into Haley too much
Speaker 1: because he allowed the trip, and Benson's like, everybody calm down,
Speaker 1: and the dad's like, she's still a little girl. She
Speaker 1: doesn't even have a credit card, and Live is like, okay,
Speaker 1: does she maybe have a Finsta? But before they can
Speaker 1: even respond, Finn walks in with mister Turner, the chaperone,
Speaker 1: and Finn goes, you gotta see this, and the mom
Speaker 1: starts immediately like scolding the chaperone, like how could you
Speaker 1: do this? How could you like let our baby, you know,
Speaker 1: go missing? And so liv leaves the parents there and
Speaker 1: follows Finn and mister Turner, who shows her a video
Speaker 1: that he just found in a campholder.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Have I shared on the podcast before that I was
Speaker 2: a field trip helper and I did lose a child
Speaker 2: at six Flags.
Speaker 1: Great America, you have not shared that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my ex he was like running a day camp
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'll go to six Flags and
Speaker 2: then couldn't find a kid. He was out shopping but
Speaker 2: he was found. But my ex was like, never in
Speaker 2: the history has anyone lost a child. But I was like,
Speaker 2: he's he stopped to shop instead of exiting the ride,
Speaker 2: Like what am I supposed to know?
Speaker 1: I was supposed to chaperone? But he was Okay, I
Speaker 1: mean losing a kid. I definitely have thought I've lost
Speaker 1: kids I was babysitting for and the the just terror
Speaker 1: that goes through your hard is like, so, I mean
Speaker 1: Rosie walks away from me for two seconds, I don't
Speaker 1: see her, and I'm like, right, Like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: bad when you're a babysitter too, because you're like, that's
Speaker 1: someone else's kid, or you're a field trip liaison or
Speaker 1: whatever Liza was doing at six Flags. So liv leaves
Speaker 1: the parents and follows Finn mister Turner because he has
Speaker 1: just found this video on his phone that had gone
Speaker 1: to his spam folder. It's a video that Haley took
Speaker 1: in the car with the clown man and it's creepy.
Speaker 1: The guy's going, you shouldn't have gotten in this car,
Speaker 1: and then she's like take it off, and he finally
Speaker 1: takes off his mask, so we get a full look
Speaker 1: at this guy's face. Haley looks freaked out. She's like,
Speaker 1: you know, looking out the window, figuring out a way
Speaker 1: to escape in some kind of way. And then her
Speaker 1: phone drops and she her video kind of scans over
Speaker 1: a bag that says Balzarini Brothers and Finn's like, I
Speaker 1: know that place. That's the best butcher shop in Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: and so off they go. At the butcher shop. They
Speaker 1: find out this guy's name is Vinnie Drago. He works
Speaker 1: in that which sounds like a bad guy's name. I
Speaker 1: gotta say. He works in the back. They find him
Speaker 1: in the back hacking at a piece of meat and
Speaker 1: he's sketchy as hell. I mean, he's like, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: I was at that party. I guess I met her. Okay,
Speaker 1: I left with her, but we didn't do anything. We
Speaker 1: passed out and when I woke up, she was gone.
Speaker 1: So they all go back to this guy's place, like
Speaker 1: we got to check your apartment, and he has this
Speaker 1: huge cavernous apartment for a man who works at a
Speaker 1: bocher shop. Usually I think they match the apartments pretty
Speaker 1: well with the people, but this one seems very large.
Speaker 1: And then they find Haley's boa in the bathroom with
Speaker 1: blood on it, blood in the bathtub and on the
Speaker 1: shower curtain, and clownman. Vincent has like no idea what's
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 2: He's like what so yeah, and it's like, are you
Speaker 2: that sloppy? He wouldn't cover up all that evidence.
Speaker 1: Like yeah it is. I seem yeah, like a boa.
Speaker 1: You couldn't have just like thrown that in a garbage
Speaker 1: It does seem weird. So they've got Vincent Vinnie in
Speaker 1: interrogation and it is just not looking good for him.
Speaker 1: He's the last person to see this girl alive. They
Speaker 1: found her person cell phone shoved into a garbage can
Speaker 1: on his block, plus the boa, and there was blood
Speaker 1: in his car too, and Vincent's like, we were just
Speaker 1: having fun. She said she liked being scared, and he
Speaker 1: tries to say that the blood is from the busher shop,
Speaker 1: and the texts are like we're not what do you
Speaker 1: think we're idiots? Like it's human blood. We tested so
Speaker 1: now live is filling in stone that Vinnie has a
Speaker 1: history of DV and his ex has a restraining order
Speaker 1: against him, so that's anger management issues plus access to knives.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I can already tell this guy isn't
Speaker 1: the guy because it's almost too perfect. But it does
Speaker 1: look so so bad, and it reminds me of the
Speaker 1: show The Night Of on HBO. Did you watch that?
Speaker 1: I did not. It was really really good. It's with
Speaker 1: Riz Ahmed and so so good, but it's basically a
Speaker 1: similar thing where it's like this guy just gets like
Speaker 1: caught with the murder weapon blood on him. He was
Speaker 1: the last person seen with this girl. Like there's so
Speaker 1: much evidence, but you know, you're like, it isn't him.
Speaker 1: So the lab results come back and the blood in
Speaker 1: his apartment and car are a match for Haley. Uh oh.
Speaker 1: And I'm only saying it isn't him because we're at
Speaker 1: the top of act two. There's just no way that
Speaker 1: we found the guy already. You know, that's just not
Speaker 1: the way this show works. But in real life, I'd
Speaker 1: say this is the guy. Yeah, blood is a match
Speaker 1: in the car and the apartment for Haley. Uh oh.
Speaker 1: Not looking good for you, Vinnie. They also found Haley's necklace,
Speaker 1: which is like a clef, like a musical thing like
Speaker 1: and a twist. They found the necklace in the trunk.
Speaker 1: That's not good, Like, we know she was in the car,
Speaker 1: but now we know that the necklace was in the trunk,
Speaker 1: which could mean he moved a body who knows. So
Speaker 1: they show the necklace to the parents and the dad's like,
Speaker 1: I gave her that necklace when she was thirteen. They
Speaker 1: tell the parents about the blood. The dad's like, let
Speaker 1: me talk to this guy, like thinks, you know, he's
Speaker 1: allowed to like beat a confession out of a man.
Speaker 1: And then they try to tell the parents to prepare
Speaker 1: for the worst. But the dad is like, fuck that,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm the one keeping her alive. I'm
Speaker 1: the only one, like because he's like, in my mind,
Speaker 1: she's still alive and I'm keeping her alive. And the
Speaker 1: wife goes, he just like he storms off, and the
Speaker 1: wife goes he just loves her so much more than me,
Speaker 1: I think, and it's like, Okay, well, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess Jared probably loves Rosie more than me. But
Speaker 1: I guess I'm okay with that. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it seems like maybe she feels like he has such
Speaker 1: a bond with the daughter that maybe she resents it
Speaker 1: a little bit anyway, next scene, the parents go on
Speaker 1: the news full press conference, offering a fifty K reward.
Speaker 1: They tell Haley that they'll never stop looking for her,
Speaker 1: and Live is like, we need answers and Cariese's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: Vinnie made two calls that night, one at one am
Speaker 1: and one at two twenty am, and he had lied,
Speaker 1: obviously and said he was sleeping. So he's like again,
Speaker 1: lies on lies on lies. This guy's looking really bad.
Speaker 1: And they're working on tracing these calls and they've got
Speaker 1: Vinnie's Saturn going over the Manhattan Bridge at one thirty
Speaker 1: eight towards Brooklyn and this is like truly the biggest
Speaker 1: pile of evidence we've ever seen, Like I've just never
Speaker 1: seen so much proof that somebody did something. And so
Speaker 1: now Finn is back interrogating Vinnie again with a picture
Speaker 1: of showing him a picture of him like, look, you're
Speaker 1: at a garbage jump buy the water at two am
Speaker 1: holding a heavy bag? Is that Haley in the bag?
Speaker 1: And he's like that's sick. He's just fully denying it.
Speaker 2: Well because at this point, if this was me, knock
Speaker 2: on wood hopefully never, but I would be like, listen, guys,
Speaker 2: I know, I know what it looks like, but it
Speaker 2: isn't me.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like I would cooperate and be like can
Speaker 1: I help in any where? Like I just wouldn't be
Speaker 1: like nah, I'd be like, this is so fucked. It
Speaker 1: was not me.
Speaker 2: We have to figure it out, like I just I
Speaker 2: would go about it a little differently.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. The guy is acting very sketchly, and
Speaker 1: that's so that's like part of it. So Finn goes
Speaker 1: a witness saw you dragging a bag, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: how did you find this witness? Like were you were? Like,
Speaker 1: did anybody see anyone dragging a bag by a dump
Speaker 1: at two am? But they did find some kind of witness.
Speaker 1: And then Vinnie is like, it's not what you think.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a body, it was dunt dune meat. So
Speaker 1: then Stone is like, this guy was selling rotten meat
Speaker 1: out of his trunk. I still don't really get what's
Speaker 1: going on. I think it's like meat that's good, but
Speaker 1: it's past its sell by date, so you can't technically
Speaker 1: sell it, but it's probably still good to use. You
Speaker 1: could put it in a shepherd pie, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: or like maybe these are like, I don't know, food
Speaker 1: truck people or something. I don't know. The buyer's name
Speaker 1: is Jose. He's got a black van on a burner phone.
Speaker 1: So it just like it just so happens that this
Speaker 1: man is making meat deals. Three hours after, this girl's
Speaker 1: phone dies and she goes missing, and there's blood in
Speaker 1: the apartment, you know what I mean. It's just all
Speaker 1: a little bit crazy, And they send a search team
Speaker 1: to go check this dump in Red Hook. Meanwhile, Drago
Speaker 1: Vinni Drego has lawyered up, and I'm like, why did
Speaker 1: it take so long? You were talked to like six
Speaker 1: times before you finally lawyered up. But okay, and then
Speaker 1: a woman from the search team, who is probably too
Speaker 1: pretty to be working at a trash search team, is like,
Speaker 1: I got bad news for you guys. There was a
Speaker 1: huge pick up last night at midnight. It was and
Speaker 1: Rollin's is pissed. She's like, it was supposed to be
Speaker 1: locked down, and she's like, there must have been a
Speaker 1: fuck up. The stuff that was here is either being
Speaker 1: burned or being shipped out of state, like anything that
Speaker 1: was dropped here is gone, and so they're screwed. Haley's
Speaker 1: parents show up with dump. They want to know what's up.
Speaker 1: The dad is freaking out, screaming about how Haley is
Speaker 1: alone and cold and afraid, and he's very you know,
Speaker 1: he's good television. I'll say that. You know, you can
Speaker 1: tell he's excited to be there. You know. I feel
Speaker 1: like Will Sasso was like, I'm like, I don't know, well,
Speaker 1: they like so many scenes. The parents keep showing up
Speaker 1: at dumps and random places, like the parents are just
Speaker 1: always showing up, so you know they I think they
Speaker 1: wanted to get the most out of the Will Sasso
Speaker 1: screen time that they could. And so there we're watching
Speaker 1: this like inside edition type you know, expose on the case.
Speaker 1: And it's called The Beauty and the Butcher is what
Speaker 1: they're calling the case. And I want to remind everyone
Speaker 1: it's been three days, Like there's already a full Nancy
Speaker 1: Grace like coverage of this, and it's been three days
Speaker 1: since this girl went missing. Liv asks Stone if he's
Speaker 1: going to charge Drago, and he's like, it's hard to
Speaker 1: make a murder case without a body, and then they
Speaker 1: look at the news report and Drago's going, they're never
Speaker 1: going to find a body. I can tell you that.
Speaker 1: It's like he's just doing so much sketchy shit, Like
Speaker 1: he says that directly into camera, like full full creep,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 2: Don't under he didn't commit this crime. Doesn't mean he's
Speaker 2: not a creep criminal.
Speaker 1: Yes, and he has a restraining order and he's hurt
Speaker 1: women in the past, whatever, But I what I want
Speaker 1: to know is why is he not saying where the
Speaker 1: blood came from? Like he's not even saying how this
Speaker 1: girl's blood got in his bathroom. He's just like he's
Speaker 1: not even like, I don't know, maybe she caught herself,
Speaker 1: like nothing, He's just like, yep, I get. I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't do it, but her blood's in my bathroom,
Speaker 1: Like there's no excuse. It seems weird. And Live is
Speaker 1: like asking Stone how long are you going to torture
Speaker 1: her parents? And Stone's like, are you always so persistent?
Speaker 1: And it's like, bro, yeah, you're new here. Obviously you
Speaker 1: don't know the half of the Olivia Benson method. And
Speaker 1: then the news report is showing how Hayley's a musical prodigy,
Speaker 1: even though neither of her parents had a musical background.
Speaker 1: She mastered the piano at four, she was a virtuoso
Speaker 1: by five, like huge competitions by six. Like she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, other world, like on another level with the piano.
Speaker 1: And then Stone's like, all right, I'll charge Vinnie with murder. Two.
Speaker 1: I don't know what convinces him, Olivia the piano, I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. He's like, all right, two.
Speaker 1: So in court, Jenny is on the stand the friend
Speaker 1: if you all remember Jenny, and she's explaining how they
Speaker 1: met Vinnie, and she's like she identifies him and she's
Speaker 1: like he's the one right there with the creepy eyes.
Speaker 1: And he's like, is she allowed to say that? I
Speaker 1: guess she is, And now will sasso. The dad is
Speaker 1: on the stand and he's like, she's never had a boyfriend.
Speaker 1: She's in that between age, and I'm like, I kind
Speaker 1: of think sixteen is on the other end of that
Speaker 1: between age. But whatever, this is gonna get this dad
Speaker 1: to sleep at night. And he's choking up and he's like,
Speaker 1: the defense claims your daughter ran away and the dad's like,
Speaker 1: there's no way she would never she was so happy.
Speaker 1: And the lawyer for Vinnie gets up and when it's
Speaker 1: his turn to cross, he goes nothing for this witness,
Speaker 1: no disrespect, but they don't have a body, Like it's
Speaker 1: kind of hilarious. It's just this like goomba guy being like,
Speaker 1: no disrespect ya, but I don't see a body, Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I just said goomba.
Speaker 2: And I think I realized how drunk I was last
Speaker 2: night because I just thought of Sarah Sherman and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I saw her yesterday but always says
Speaker 2: gaba ghoul and stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I totally forgot I saw her until
Speaker 1: this one moment. Glad I could help you with that.
Speaker 2: Remember story, listen, I love my cool for Yeah, she was.
Speaker 1: I'm just proud of her. Yeah. So the lawyer sits
Speaker 1: down after they don't have a body, and then the
Speaker 1: parents and mister Turner approach Stone after court and they're like,
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I just can't believe how
Speaker 1: quickly this is all moving, Like the timeline is so SVU,
Speaker 1: like it's been five days basically that this girl has
Speaker 1: gone four days and we're already like in court with
Speaker 1: like people testifying, like they haven't even moved it forward
Speaker 1: in time. It's just like so so fast. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: maybe it's just the arraignment. I don't know, but it
Speaker 1: seems like just really really fast, like very SVU timeline.
Speaker 1: And so mister Turner and the parents are kind of like,
Speaker 1: we think that the lack of a body is sort
Speaker 1: of bad for the case, and Stone is like, don't worry,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play the video tomorrow, like the video is
Speaker 1: from the car is definitely like kind of a smoking gun.
Speaker 1: And the jury has sympathy for the parents, like you
Speaker 1: did great on the stand, and then mister Turner's gonna
Speaker 1: go on the stand. And they go to the next scene,
Speaker 1: but off of mister Turner like kind of looking a
Speaker 1: little concerned, and he's like looking off into the distance
Speaker 1: and he looks worried. And so at the squad they're
Speaker 1: watching more news coverage of this case when Stone shows
Speaker 1: up and says, uh, what's up, mister Turner. The chaperone
Speaker 1: just never showed up in court today, just totally ghosted.
Speaker 1: And they check he checked out of his hotel and
Speaker 1: his wife did say he was nervous about testifying. So
Speaker 1: liv sends releasi to Beaver Falls and he's like, They're
Speaker 1: like it's six hours away, and Carisey's like, the way
Speaker 1: you drive, we could get there in four and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but I guess Brolins has
Speaker 1: a lead foot. So liv is like, uh, talking to
Speaker 1: Stone and she's like, I hope you don't hate me
Speaker 1: for telling you to take this to trial and he's like,
Speaker 1: not yet, bitch, but I'm getting there. And so now
Speaker 1: we're in beaver Falls and we're talking to mister Turner's
Speaker 1: wife and she's like very pretty and she's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he loves Haley. He was crying on the phone to me,
Speaker 1: like do I have to be worried about him? Like
Speaker 1: what's going on? Like he's not at home, so where
Speaker 1: did he go? They asked her to call him again,
Speaker 1: and she does it and it goes straight to voicemail
Speaker 1: and she's like he talks NonStop about Haley. It actually
Speaker 1: kind of drove me crazy, but I mean, like, I
Speaker 1: am sad she's dead. And it's like, all right, lady,
Speaker 1: did Jude, what did you do? And then they she
Speaker 1: just explains, Oh, they spent a lot of time together
Speaker 1: going to concerts. Like her different you know, competitions and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And then they find out, oh, he
Speaker 1: has a recording studio in the house, and they're like,
Speaker 1: can we go look at it? So they go in
Speaker 1: to check it out. They find all this music. They
Speaker 1: find a song called Haley's Song, and then dunt done
Speaker 1: in the piano bench where I used to my mom
Speaker 1: has always had a piano, and I like love opening
Speaker 1: the piano bench and like hiding things in there, so
Speaker 1: I can understand why they found this there. But a
Speaker 1: bunch of fully clothed but very suggestive photos of Hailey
Speaker 1: are in there, like her like arching her back, sucking
Speaker 1: a lollip, like she's always in clothes, but it definitely
Speaker 1: looks sexual. And so we're in Live's office now with
Speaker 1: Haley's parents and the dad is reading the lyrics to
Speaker 1: Haley's song out loud, which are like not platonic love
Speaker 1: song like lyrics. They're very like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: long for your body and all this like stuff that
Speaker 1: seems like not appropriate, and the mom is like, there
Speaker 1: is no relationship. He is her music teacher. And then
Speaker 1: everyone's basically like, we got to find James Turner right now,
Speaker 1: and they said, has he said anything weird? Does he
Speaker 1: know anyone in New York City? And the dad's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, what about that guy we ran into a
Speaker 1: dinner and they know everything about him. They're like, his
Speaker 1: name's Alan Hubert. He wrote they wrote a jingle together.
Speaker 1: The guy wouldn't stop bragging about how the royalties paid
Speaker 1: for his mansion in Long Island. And I'm a little confused,
Speaker 1: like if they wrote a jingle together, why did one
Speaker 1: guy get all the royalties to buy a mansion and
Speaker 1: the other guy gets to live in Beaver Falls.
Speaker 2: But I mean, well, one's a pedophile, so one wanted to,
Speaker 2: you know, harass children.
Speaker 1: So he tries. But you think he's got money. I
Speaker 1: mean he has a recording studio in the house. Oh
Speaker 1: that's true, that's true. Okay. Now we're at Alan Hubert
Speaker 1: Production's in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, and he's like this classic like
Speaker 1: law and Order character who's like, if you cops want
Speaker 1: to talk to me, you better keep up. Like he
Speaker 1: just keeps walking and he says his name is pronounced
Speaker 1: Ubert and he knows Turner because they wrote this dog
Speaker 1: jingle together years ago. And he's like, and I want
Speaker 1: to tell you two things. One I've been up all
Speaker 1: night and two I'm late for a meeting with Lynn Manuel,
Speaker 1: and I love that. I love just I mean, this
Speaker 1: guy is reprehensible already. You can tell he's annoying as fuck,
Speaker 1: But like, I just like Lin Manuel getting like a
Speaker 1: only first name shout out, because we all know that
Speaker 1: Benson loves Hamilton, New York loves Hamilton. Everyone's into this. Well.
Speaker 2: Also, now that I'm thinking about the money, you also
Speaker 2: don't know how people spend their money. So maybe the
Speaker 2: other teacher like went traveling or gambled it at all,
Speaker 2: or gave it a sick mom, you know what I mean. Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you just never know, and this guy just has a
Speaker 2: great house, and then maybe you know, he has to
Speaker 2: keep working too.
Speaker 1: Pianos are expensive. Pianos are like thirty grand or something,
Speaker 1: you know, So definitely that's it's not impossible. It just
Speaker 1: seemed like, oh, how come this one guy's like living
Speaker 1: it up in Long Island and this other guy's in
Speaker 1: beaver Falls. But maybe I'm being a little bit too
Speaker 1: black or white about it. So there makes cookie. They're
Speaker 1: talking to this guy Hubert Ubert about it, and they're like, look,
Speaker 1: he might have something to do with this girl's disappearance,
Speaker 1: and the guy goes, I'm not shocked. He's a loser.
Speaker 1: I'm the best, and the cops are all just like okay,
Speaker 1: we don't really care about your whole thing, like can
Speaker 1: you just please tell us where he might be, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I won't be implicated in this, and then
Speaker 1: Coreesy really puts his foot down and is like, tell
Speaker 1: us where he is, and he's like, suddenly, mister don't
Speaker 1: implicate me is fully involved, and it's like, okay. I
Speaker 1: felt sorry for him. So when he called about marriage problems,
Speaker 1: I gave him the keys to my house in Oyster Bay,
Speaker 1: which is my favorite Savignon blanc also just to add that,
Speaker 1: and he says I haven't heard from him since, so
Speaker 1: I don't know why this man didn't just give this information, like, oh,
Speaker 1: he might be at my house in Oyster Bay, Like
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get arrested for that. So now we're
Speaker 1: at the mansion on Long Island and they I did
Speaker 1: look up Oyster Bay. I thought maybe it sounded very Hampton's,
Speaker 1: but it's not technically in the Hampton's, but it's on
Speaker 1: Long Island and they enter a bedroom where James is
Speaker 1: fast asleep dunt done in bed with Haley. She's alive.
Speaker 1: They are fucking. They're naked in bed together. I mean,
Speaker 1: not currently fucking, but that they have historically been fucking.
Speaker 1: Finn's like, get away from the girl, and Haley's like,
Speaker 1: go away, leave us alone. I love him. And James
Speaker 1: gets like taken away and she's screaming his name. And
Speaker 1: now Haley is in the car with Rollins and they're,
Speaker 1: you know, driving back to the city from Long Island,
Speaker 1: and Rollins suggests that James framed Vinnie, and Haley's like, nah, girl,
Speaker 1: that was all me. I cut myself in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: I sent the video like I did. And Rollins is like,
Speaker 1: you know, he could have gone to jail, like I
Speaker 1: didn't mean, and like that's pretty fucked that you were
Speaker 1: just framing an innocent man, and She's like, I didn't
Speaker 1: mean for that to happen. I mean, he just like
Speaker 1: seemed like a criminal at the club, which he definitely is.
Speaker 1: But still, and were you like avoiding the news coverage
Speaker 1: like you knew he was going to trial. This was
Speaker 1: all over the news, the beauty and the butcher, like
Speaker 1: you could have easily just come forward, but I guess
Speaker 1: you're too deep. And then by then, so the plan was,
Speaker 1: she said to hang out until everybody thought Haley was dead,
Speaker 1: and then they her and James were going to go
Speaker 1: to Vienna and he was going to buy her a
Speaker 1: Steinway Grand and they were going to tour the world.
Speaker 1: And my mom has a Steinway but it's not a Grand,
Speaker 1: it's a Mini. But she's a big fan. And they
Speaker 1: were going to tour the world and she's in love
Speaker 1: with him. That was like their whole plan. And in
Speaker 1: the other car, we've got Finn talking to and CARIESI
Speaker 1: talking to James and he's like, I love her. What's
Speaker 1: wrong with that? And they're like, she's sixteen, I mean
Speaker 1: the obvious, and he's like, she has an old soul
Speaker 1: and he's like, okay, cool was it her? And then
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, like, okay, cool, was it her
Speaker 1: old soul? Deep throating a lollipop in the pictures that
Speaker 1: you like, like, is that what was doing it for you?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Oh my go, she looks so worldly in these pictures.
Speaker 1: And so James starts comparing their relationship to music and
Speaker 1: something about the fugue of two voices coming together or
Speaker 1: some shit, and Carisey's like, Okay, you're a child rapist,
Speaker 1: so whatever you want to talk about with various concertos, etc.
Speaker 1: And then she goes. So we're bouncing back and forth
Speaker 1: between the two cars and it's like they're both like
Speaker 1: rainy police car vibes and I'm kind of enjoying that.
Speaker 1: And the girl is just talking about it like they're
Speaker 1: star crossed lovers, like everyone's trying to keep her and
Speaker 1: her boyfriend apart, even though it's her fucking music teacher.
Speaker 1: And she's like, you think I don't know about love.
Speaker 1: I know all about love. And now we're in Olivia's
Speaker 1: office and she's bringing coffee to the parents and the
Speaker 1: mom is like livid. She's like, how could he do
Speaker 1: this make us think that she was dead? And the
Speaker 1: dad is just like so happy that Haley's alive. He's
Speaker 1: like so excited. And then they start to realize that
Speaker 1: he was definitely having sex slash raping their daughter, and
Speaker 1: the mom says I'll kill him, and lives like, don't
Speaker 1: make me lock you up. And the mom goes to
Speaker 1: Haley and embraces her when she comes in, but at
Speaker 1: that moment, James is being let in at the same time,
Speaker 1: which I just can't imagine that they do this at
Speaker 1: all in real life, but they always do on the show,
Speaker 1: so that there's drama, and he calls out to Haley,
Speaker 1: like Haley, and then the mom slaps him, and Haley
Speaker 1: is like, leave my creepy music. Teach your boyfriend alone.
Speaker 1: And then the mom goes out of all the girls
Speaker 1: in the school, and you're like, wait what. And then
Speaker 1: the mom's like, oh, did you feed her that line
Speaker 1: about the fugue? And the two voices call back, and
Speaker 1: so now we're starting to figure it out, and she goes,
Speaker 1: your line's always work, right, Jimmy, especially after a few
Speaker 1: glasses of chardonnay. How many seductions is enough? And the
Speaker 1: dad is like, hey, Anna, what's going on here? And
Speaker 1: then the mom admits it all comes out. She and
Speaker 1: James slept together one time seventeen years ago. Hopefully you're
Speaker 1: doing all the math work here and you're putting all
Speaker 1: the pieces together, and she's like, that's right, Jimmy, she's yours.
Speaker 1: You've been sleeping with your own own daughter, which we've
Speaker 1: heard that a few other times on the show before
Speaker 1: when someone finds out they're sleeping with their brother, sister, mother, father,
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it never gets less gross or more like,
Speaker 1: less scandalous. So James like immediately starts keeling over like
Speaker 1: he's gonna be sick. He's like, oh, and then Live
Speaker 1: takes Haley away and the mom is like, what does
Speaker 1: he get for incest? And I'm truly wondering, like what
Speaker 1: does he get because we talked about this on our podcast.
Speaker 1: That's really illegal anywhere. Yeah, but adults, Oh, that's adults,
Speaker 1: that's right. I just feel like the incest doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what compared to the underage of it all, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't even know who cares. Yeah, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: I mean the under can be upset that, you know.
Speaker 1: The dad's Yeah, like, I think he'll get enough just
Speaker 1: based on like a million counts of statutory rape.
Speaker 2: But I'm sorry, but Haley needs to be charged for
Speaker 2: all this too, Like she did almost fuck up that
Speaker 2: creeps life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I wonder what that It wouldn't be
Speaker 1: filing a false police report because she didn't file it.
Speaker 2: But I wonder what Shin or Sudya planting evidence? Who knows?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a lot of lawyer listeners let us
Speaker 1: know how Haley would be charged. But the dad is
Speaker 1: heartbroken and he's like saying to the mom like, how
Speaker 1: could you not tell me? And the mom is like, well,
Speaker 1: we thought she was dead. How would this have helped?
Speaker 1: And I think he means I think it's kind of like,
Speaker 1: how could you have not told me in these last
Speaker 1: few days, like with all of this happening, And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: we thought she was dead, Like I wasn't going to
Speaker 1: like completely ruin your life more. And the dad tries
Speaker 1: to go at James to beat the shit out of him,
Speaker 1: and the cops have to hold him back, and Haley
Speaker 1: in another room is Olivia crying, screaming, yeah it is.
Speaker 1: It's like really good, it's really good. And he's a
Speaker 1: big guy, so they're like really like a lot of
Speaker 1: people are holding him back, and you kind of think like, wow,
Speaker 1: if one person lets go, this man's going to murder
Speaker 1: this other man. And then in another room, Haley is
Speaker 1: like debriefing with Olivia and she's got like a huge
Speaker 1: on her face. She's like, oh my god, James is
Speaker 1: my dad. That makes so much sense, Like she's psyched
Speaker 1: about it. She's like, I always felt a connection, and
Speaker 1: I was always so talented. I knew my dad couldn't
Speaker 1: be a garbage man. I just knew it. And she's
Speaker 1: like grinning, like a really creepy grin, and I do
Speaker 1: not like it. And now we're in court and it's
Speaker 1: March twenty first, and they first arrested Vincent on the fourteenth,
Speaker 1: So this has all happened in one calendar week. I
Speaker 1: just find that so wild and very SVUW. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure our lawyer listeners are like, in what world? Like
Speaker 1: I think everything takes ten months, like even for one
Speaker 1: motion in the real world of law. But Stone says
Speaker 1: that Turner pled guilty to rape two, kidnapping, and dangering
Speaker 1: a minor and incest. He's in jail and on suicide
Speaker 1: watch and he's going to prison. I get people have
Speaker 1: called us out on not knowing jail in prison, and
Speaker 1: I honestly didn't find out the difference between jail and
Speaker 1: prison until I was like twenty five years old. I
Speaker 1: remember someone telling me and I was like, wait, what, Like,
Speaker 1: you just go to jail for a crime or you're
Speaker 1: in prison for a crime, And they're like, no, jail
Speaker 1: is like where you go while you're being held, like
Speaker 1: awaiting trial or like in holding, and then prison is
Speaker 1: like where you're going away for a long time. And
Speaker 1: I always fuck it up. But so Stone is like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't get it, and Live is like,
Speaker 1: it's called genetic sexual attraction. It's when a father and
Speaker 1: a daughter don't grow up in the same household and
Speaker 1: they meet as adults and it can happen, and it
Speaker 1: has happened on this show. Baby, So you Live says
Speaker 1: what you do is you recommend the best therapists and
Speaker 1: you pray to God that they get through it and
Speaker 1: lives like, I hope this didn't scare you back to Chicago, bro,
Speaker 1: And then Stone reveals to Olivia that his sister is
Speaker 1: actually in a facility upstate and she has schizophrenia and
Speaker 1: that their father used to visit her once a week
Speaker 1: and that now is his duty. And so that's kind
Speaker 1: of another reason why we find that he is doing
Speaker 1: this job in Manhattan, so he can be close to
Speaker 1: his sister and lives like, Wow, Well, if you ever
Speaker 1: need to talk, let me know. And now we're at
Speaker 1: the facility in South Salem, which is very near where
Speaker 1: I grew up on Stone is where we used to
Speaker 1: buy our Christmas trees as a Jewish family. And Stone
Speaker 1: is going to visit his sister Pamela, and she doesn't
Speaker 1: know who he is. When she sees him, she's like,
Speaker 1: who are you? And then he brings her this special
Speaker 1: treat which kind of looks like a tasty cake or something,
Speaker 1: and now she thinks he's her dad, and she's like daddy,
Speaker 1: and it's just a sad moment where like, you know,
Speaker 1: someone doesn't recognize someone. And Stone leaves and it's nighttime
Speaker 1: and we see for like a second that it's very
Speaker 1: hard for him. And that's Dick wolf Bibbe. What's easy
Speaker 1: for him?
Speaker 2: He always has a face of true like like.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like I played professional baseball. It's
Speaker 1: like anything for you. Yeah, he's so annoying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, for some reason, we love genetic
Speaker 2: attraction so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's so I think it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: we kind of love the grosser, crazier shit on this show.
Speaker 1: And like, I think for you and I that idea
Speaker 1: is so horrific.
Speaker 2: But well, we have some friends that recently went to
Speaker 2: and they were telling me that before anyone fucks in Iceland,
Speaker 2: they have apps to make sure you're related or not
Speaker 2: because there's only three hundreds such as the population, so
Speaker 2: they're usually okay with like I think fourth or fifth
Speaker 2: cousins or something like that, or yeah, like I don't remember,
Speaker 2: but before anyone fucks, like all of their infos in
Speaker 2: an app to like make sure, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe we should do it here. Who knows.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have cousins in Italy who were
Speaker 1: married to each other really but they and they were
Speaker 1: first cousins, but they didn't have any kids because they
Speaker 1: knew no.
Speaker 2: But also, like I'm thinking of like the Jane Seymour
Speaker 2: episode when the boy's like and I had sex with
Speaker 2: my sister but he's picked.
Speaker 1: But this girl the smile and being like I know
Speaker 1: it's like my daddy. This makes so much sense, And
Speaker 1: like I wonder if she continues with piano, like do
Speaker 1: you think that they're like And famously this is the
Speaker 1: virtuoso who was fucking her music teacher and it was
Speaker 1: she does need to go to jail. Yeah, playing sending
Speaker 1: the clowns from a Little Night Music. That's how they
Speaker 1: announced piano concerts by the way.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but if this is it really no
Speaker 2: why sound like a sportscaster. But because if let's say
Speaker 2: this was how detectives really are and not SVU, Vinnie
Speaker 2: would be in prison. Yeah, yeah, because creepy like the
Speaker 2: no jury would be like that, oh he didn't do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I have absolutely zero idea what this is
Speaker 1: based on, and I am looking forward to getting the
Speaker 1: Lisa treatment. Yeah. It's not good. Not good. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine it is.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is gonna make you really really mad,
Speaker 2: angry throughout all of it because this could have been
Speaker 2: prevented time and time again, and our society sex.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this case is based on the case of Elizabeth Thomas.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth was a teenager who was kidnapped by her teacher,
Speaker 2: Tad Cummins in twenty seventeen and driven across the country
Speaker 2: for thirty eight days. And this isn't even the first
Speaker 2: teacher kidnapping we're talking about.
Speaker 1: On her No, I know. I was going to say,
Speaker 1: we've talked about one before, but this did happen like
Speaker 1: months before the SVU episode came out, So it's very like,
Speaker 1: definitely based on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was her health sciences teacher at Colloaqua Units
Speaker 2: School in Moriy County, Tennessee. Before he was her teacher,
Speaker 2: she was homeschooled her entire life, and her and her
Speaker 2: siblings mom was She was abused by this mother, a
Speaker 2: very abusive mom. The abuse was so bad they finally
Speaker 2: reported their mom, Kimberly Thomas, to child Protective Services and
Speaker 2: she was removed from the home in twenty sixteen and
Speaker 2: charged with child abuse and neglect. And this prompted Elizabeth
Speaker 2: to go to public school for the first time. And
Speaker 2: if you are a pedophile predator, perfect target. You know,
Speaker 2: never been to school, doesn't have any friends, and was abused,
Speaker 2: so not good. And she was immediately bullied by her classmates.
Speaker 2: And then eventually she started to confide in her fifty
Speaker 2: year old health teacher, Tad, who I guess was like
Speaker 2: they say, he was a popular teacher and well liked,
Speaker 2: so she felt comfortable and she started to lean on
Speaker 2: him for support since everyone made fun of her.
Speaker 1: Then she had a terrible life.
Speaker 2: So he groomed her and preyed upon her for months
Speaker 2: by nudging and molding her until her will like to resist,
Speaker 2: was completely broken and like yeah, like she just had
Speaker 2: a lot of conflict in.
Speaker 1: Her brain at all times about all of this.
Speaker 2: You made her feel like she didn't have anyone else
Speaker 2: and that no one really cared about her.
Speaker 1: I do think I actually read a People magazine article
Speaker 1: about this. That's one of my top sources.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would give her money and gifts and then
Speaker 2: but also like physically push her head. And she was
Speaker 2: really afraid of him most of the time, she recorded
Speaker 2: to ABC News. I was afraid to see him angry.
Speaker 2: He doesn't take no well. And so that's already like
Speaker 2: at fifteen, you know it, and you know, these are
Speaker 2: themes that we talk about all the time on this
Speaker 2: show and then the world and what we tried to
Speaker 2: explain to men constantly, but that it's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not easy to say no to people that are out
Speaker 2: of their minds and violent and give off disgusting vibes.
Speaker 1: And it's older than you and in a position of
Speaker 1: power above you and bigger than you. I mean like
Speaker 1: all of the like you have no like standing, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, she was fifteen years old. And
Speaker 2: then this is where it gets like fucked. So well
Speaker 2: it's been fucked, but this is like where it ramps up.
Speaker 2: So he sat across from her one day in his
Speaker 2: classroom and said, you'd look pretty nice naked. Now cut
Speaker 2: to a little bit later, he grabbed her face and
Speaker 2: kissed her, and she was scared to tell her dad.
Speaker 2: But on January twenty third, like, he was caught kissing
Speaker 2: Elizabeth on school grounds by another student and was suspended
Speaker 2: from his job. But like just the light, Like a
Speaker 2: suspension doesn't seem like enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like why was there not police involvement? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And so then he started to guilt her and make
Speaker 2: her feel really bad for his suspension and threaten that
Speaker 2: he would punish her for it. And he also would
Speaker 2: say shit like if I can't have you, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: kill myself, Like you better be with me. He's you know,
Speaker 2: she knew he had two guns. He would threaten killing
Speaker 2: himself all of the time. And now is like you
Speaker 2: also made me lose my job. This is on you.
Speaker 2: And then everyone at the school started to call her
Speaker 2: a whore and they were all mad at her for
Speaker 2: ruining his life.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The kiss though is when like she realized had gone
Speaker 2: too far and was fucked up. But then it's like
Speaker 2: I'm confused if other students saw it like calling her
Speaker 2: a whore.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like starts early. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know about like I mean when I was
Speaker 1: in eighth grade or like no, no, it wasn't. It
Speaker 1: was even younger. It was like six or seventh grade.
Speaker 1: Like we found out this girl had sex with like
Speaker 1: someone's older brother, and we were all like so scandalized
Speaker 1: because we just like hadn't been taught enough about sex.
Speaker 1: Like I think hopefully I'm going to try to be
Speaker 1: teaching Rosie more about sex stuff early so that it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like, yeah, it's so bad and it's so
Speaker 1: wrong that like you have to completely shame and like
Speaker 1: torment somebody that you hear has a sexual experience, because
Speaker 1: I bet even in the South, it's like women are horrors,
Speaker 1: men are playboys. You know, like just the religious religiosity
Speaker 1: of like that area of the country too added to it,
Speaker 1: you know, where they were just like you know, did
Speaker 1: this man have a wife or anything? Was he married?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, so it's like, oh, you're a home wrecker.
Speaker 1: You ruined his life, you know, like Okay, she's fifteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's gross. So you know, they're calling her a
Speaker 2: whore and doing all this stuff. But then we find out,
Speaker 2: or I find out, or you're gonna find out. Other
Speaker 2: students reported that he would rub her back and shoulders,
Speaker 2: and even saw her sleeping one morning on a hospital
Speaker 2: bed in his classroom.
Speaker 1: Jesus, I mean, it could be a.
Speaker 2: Cat, and it's like a teen's perspective, but either way,
Speaker 2: there's a bed in the classroom, she he's rubbing her.
Speaker 1: Still, no one gives a shit.
Speaker 2: School, even after all these little things, let her go
Speaker 2: on a field trip where he was the chaperone after
Speaker 2: students saw them kissing. Then after the field trip, the
Speaker 2: school directed both of them to not have contact with
Speaker 2: each other. But he was still working at the school. Disgusting,
Speaker 2: and he was a master manipulator who pressured her all
Speaker 2: the time to go out with him by threatening her
Speaker 2: with repercussions at school. He made her go to me
Speaker 2: with him, and she had told siblings and friends in
Speaker 2: her life like that she was scared and in over
Speaker 2: her head, and nothing came of it. He would tell
Speaker 2: her lies about himself, so he had like a very
Speaker 2: inflated view.
Speaker 1: Of himself, and she knew some of it.
Speaker 2: Was lies, but he thought he was like, I'm a millionaire,
Speaker 2: I was in the Special Forces. I killed Bin Laden
Speaker 2: And that's when she was like, maybe he's lying because.
Speaker 1: And then during all this, his wife.
Speaker 2: Jill, says that Elizabeth actually became part of their family
Speaker 2: and would go to church with them. Tad considered himself
Speaker 2: a very religious man, and he knew what he was doing.
Speaker 2: He picked up perfect target, someone that came to him
Speaker 2: for help, clearly having issues, and he told her not
Speaker 2: to seek mental help. He said, don't go to a
Speaker 2: therapist or meds because that's going to change who you are.
Speaker 2: And so she's like telling him how sad and depressed
Speaker 2: she is, and he's like, don't you dare get any
Speaker 2: help for that? And then also hanging out with her
Speaker 2: and his wife at church.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, no, it's diabola. Like he tells her
Speaker 1: not to get mental help because he knows that she'll
Speaker 1: report and that he'll be found out, right, like it's
Speaker 1: all to save his own ass.
Speaker 2: And he finally used all this to convince her that
Speaker 2: she had to leave with him because of her and
Speaker 2: his suspension and like you did that, and you fucked
Speaker 2: up my future career and it's your fault and the
Speaker 2: bullying was so bad in school. He was like, you
Speaker 2: better run away with me or else, and he again
Speaker 2: said he would kill himself and her family, and she
Speaker 2: reluctantly agreed to leave town with him, and then wildly.
Speaker 2: Just before her disappearance, she did tell her sister like,
Speaker 2: if I don't if I don't return home by six pm,
Speaker 2: call the police. A sap and the sister didn't really
Speaker 2: know what was up, and then they understood. Tad told
Speaker 2: his wife that he was going to take some time
Speaker 2: to decompress in Virginia Beach and not to worry about it.
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 2: The real house was of Atlanta. So the pair vanished
Speaker 2: on March thirteenth from the Morey count from Maury County, Tennessee,
Speaker 2: and this was in twenty seventeen. The plan was for
Speaker 2: him to take her to Mexico via a kayak from
Speaker 2: San Diego's Carnado Island.
Speaker 1: She picked up from a restaurant, and.
Speaker 2: As soon as they went to leave, he set a
Speaker 2: gun on the middle console. He made her throw her
Speaker 2: phone off the bridge. He disconnected the GPS like a
Speaker 2: real misty from yellow jackets, and then he unhooked the
Speaker 2: radio and yeah, so no phones, no GPS, no radio,
Speaker 2: Like he knew what he was doing. And then when
Speaker 2: they would stop at hotels, he would make her sleep
Speaker 2: naked in the hotels right next to him, so she
Speaker 2: couldn't run away or leave. She didn't get to shower
Speaker 2: alone use the toilet. He was always near her, and
Speaker 2: he was very mean to her, very like, would say
Speaker 2: very hurtful shit to her, and he sexually assaulted her
Speaker 2: night after night. When they reached Colorado and Utah, that's
Speaker 2: where he started buying alcohol for her. But she was
Speaker 2: really smart and from each state that they stopped, she
Speaker 2: would take a rock and write what county they were from,
Speaker 2: so if he got caught, he would be charged for
Speaker 2: each of the stick and everywhere they went.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is very quick for all the laws. Very clever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And one day on the TV in the hotel
Speaker 2: they saw the amber alert and like that people were
Speaker 2: looking for her.
Speaker 1: So he was just like, oh, we got to get
Speaker 1: some fuck in Mexico.
Speaker 2: And then eventually he wanted to go to Panama because
Speaker 2: that's where he loved doing mission trips. What a godly man, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He legit thought, Oh yeah, the kayak, so he is
Speaker 1: too stupid.
Speaker 2: So once the kayak plan failed, they stopped at black
Speaker 2: Bear Ranch commune, super off the grid, and.
Speaker 1: They hated him.
Speaker 2: The commune hated him like he didn't follow the rules,
Speaker 2: he was lazy, he didn't help, he didn't clean.
Speaker 1: So they're like, you need to leave the commune.
Speaker 2: So they kicked them out of the commune and he
Speaker 2: screamed at everyone with a knife and it was nuts.
Speaker 2: So then they left and they were eventually taken in
Speaker 2: by this caretaker named Griffin Barry, who gave them a
Speaker 2: place to stay in a cabin. They pretended that their
Speaker 2: names were John and Joanne Castro, a husband and wife,
Speaker 2: and that she was twenty four and he was in
Speaker 2: his thirties. Was like the story, And if you see
Speaker 2: photos of him, he does not look like he's in
Speaker 2: his thirties. I'll tell you that. So Griffin, Griffin Berry
Speaker 2: eventually was the person who helped find them and reported them.
Speaker 2: So he first encountered them at a gas station in
Speaker 2: far northern California.
Speaker 1: They gave him fake name, like I.
Speaker 2: Said, and they needed money for gas, food and a
Speaker 2: place to stay. So they he claimed that they were,
Speaker 2: you know, coming from Colorado, just this married couple and
Speaker 2: this guy was really nice. He paid for their gas
Speaker 2: and gave them forty dollars and set them up with
Speaker 2: accommodations in the Sevillville cabin. If you're in nature, Doric,
Speaker 2: let us know. They stay there for about a week
Speaker 2: and a half. So then finally Griffin Berry saw the
Speaker 2: photo of Commins on an Amber alert and was like, wait,
Speaker 2: that's the fucking guy. And the car matched up as well,
Speaker 2: and he was like talking with a neighbor, and the
Speaker 2: neighbor was like, we got to call the cops.
Speaker 1: Like that's for sure, that that's for sure you.
Speaker 2: So he contacted the authorities and outside of you know,
Speaker 2: Barry helping out, investigators received more than fifteen hundred tips
Speaker 2: from people following this case.
Speaker 1: This was a big case.
Speaker 2: He became like a top ten most wanted in the
Speaker 2: state of Tennessee. So Barry alerted investigators right away and
Speaker 2: that they were living in this remote cabin in Cecilville, California,
Speaker 2: which is thousands of miles from where they went missing.
Speaker 1: He said he found their vibe.
Speaker 2: Suspicious, she was super supper shy, and that he attempted
Speaker 2: to keep her away and was very dominating of the
Speaker 2: conversation and like she wouldn't even look at him.
Speaker 1: Cummins was arrested. Duh.
Speaker 2: Then his wife divorced him after thirty one years of marriage.
Speaker 2: The authorities raced to the small town in northern California,
Speaker 2: surrounded the cabin, and he was considered dangerous throughout the
Speaker 2: whole investigation, Like they knew he had guns and he
Speaker 2: was dangerous. Officials also found on his computer that he
Speaker 2: was conducting research on teen marriage, So there was plan
Speaker 2: and motive and all of that stuff to do fucked
Speaker 2: up shit. And so Elizabeth was recovered safely after thirty
Speaker 2: eight days and said to ABC News that that was
Speaker 2: the best day of my life. Barry was given a
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars reward that was put up by Cummen's
Speaker 2: former coworker, Chandler Anderson. So maybe it was a good
Speaker 2: teacher or something, or someone that knew he was a creep,
Speaker 2: but or I said, former coworker. Who knows? But Chandler,
Speaker 2: I'm glad you fucking knew what was up.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I probably worked at the school or so,
Speaker 1: I don't know how Yeah, who knows?
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: So in a court hearing, Cummens's dumb sister asked that
Speaker 2: he'd be released from jail until his trial because something
Speaker 2: is wrong with him and the man she knows would
Speaker 2: never do something like this, but except he did, and
Speaker 2: the judge denied the request, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Very much, go food herself. He would never he did it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cummins pled guilty to two federal charges, transportation of a
Speaker 2: minor across state lines for the purposes of having criminal
Speaker 2: sexual intercourse an obstruction of justice. He was sentenced to
Speaker 2: twenty years in federal prison, even though prosecutors asked for
Speaker 2: the thirty year max. Obviously, when he leaves prison, he
Speaker 2: will have to register as a sex offender.
Speaker 1: Why doesn't he get the rape charges? I have no aing.
Speaker 2: I wonder, well, maybe because he pled guilty to avoid
Speaker 2: the trial that like he didn't want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the deal.
Speaker 2: Now, this is from the New York Post, so I
Speaker 2: don't know if this is trustworthy, but he is quoted
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen saying I don't regret it, nor do
Speaker 2: I say it was.
Speaker 1: The right thing to do. That sounds like something James
Speaker 1: would say. James Turner, the music teacher that.
Speaker 2: Thomas Fair I mean the music teacher did seem like
Speaker 2: not happy he was raping his daughter. The Thomas family
Speaker 2: sued the school board for not doing enough to protect
Speaker 2: her from that man, and the school denied failing any
Speaker 2: of its obligations, which I disagree with. If a teacher
Speaker 2: is kissing a student and rubbing her shoulders and you're
Speaker 2: she's still on field trips with him, like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: And he's still employed.
Speaker 2: No, But the suit was settled February twenty twenty for
Speaker 2: six hundred and fifty thousand dollars, reported by The Daily Herald.
Speaker 1: So that's a little bit of gotcha. She'll have a
Speaker 1: little bit of money to get, you know, some help
Speaker 1: that she needs probably, you know.
Speaker 2: So maybe she's in Tennessee, maybe she moved. I hope
Speaker 2: she's doing amazing, and I'm depending on where she lives.
Speaker 1: That money can really last you a very long time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you spend it right. But yeah, she yeah, Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I remember seeing this totally in like an article. Ough,
Speaker 1: but is right.
Speaker 2: It was fucking disgusting. I hate everyone and everything, and
Speaker 2: like the way our society functions is super annoying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't bully kids in school? Ugh, anyway, that's
Speaker 1: for all the teens that are listening to our podcast
Speaker 1: and we're just thinking about going in for a vicious
Speaker 1: bullying today. Please don't do it. We have an amazing
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Speaker 1: know him today as Hailey Sadler's sad stepdad Chris. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I cannot believe we're talking to you, Will. This is
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Speaker 2: Do people often say they grew up on you, like
Speaker 2: our that you meet, that you work all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of people are familiar with some of
Speaker 4: my older stuff there, and then yeah, they'll say, hey,
Speaker 4: I grew up watching you. I'm like, how old are
Speaker 4: you And they're like, I'm forty one and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm forty six. This is sad, but I've looked like I'm,
Speaker 4: you know, forty eight, since I was around fourteen or fifteen,
Speaker 4: so that's probably why perfectly.
Speaker 2: And was oh also I recently did I was on
Speaker 2: Arden's podcast as like the Bachelor rookie and she says hello,
Speaker 2: and she was excited we were talking to you.
Speaker 3: Oh I love art and oh my gosh, yeah the best.
Speaker 1: She's so great?
Speaker 3: What a zoo?
Speaker 1: So was this a dream come true? SVU?
Speaker 2: You grew up in the Law and Order universe? Was
Speaker 2: this just like an acting role that came your way?
Speaker 2: Tell us the origin?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you know it came my way. I'm I
Speaker 4: live in Los Angeles. They shoot the show in New York.
Speaker 4: I was not you know, local or anything. And yeah,
Speaker 4: they asked me to come out and play this role.
Speaker 4: And I was like, yep, it's.
Speaker 1: So different than like the normal comedy stuff that you
Speaker 1: normally do. So would you, like, were you just wanting
Speaker 1: to like stretch and do something a little different.
Speaker 4: I mean, I I love doing drama any chance I
Speaker 4: get to do it, so yeah, so I kind of look,
Speaker 4: I guess I look at that stuff a little different
Speaker 4: than I do any comedy TV or film that comes
Speaker 4: at me. In that I'll always kind of be like,
Speaker 4: I'm doing it, but what is you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like most of the.
Speaker 4: Time with drama, Yeah, I'm always excited to do it.
Speaker 1: Is it intimidating at all?
Speaker 2: Or you're like, yeah, I can cry and be scared
Speaker 2: find out, you know, my daughter's not my daughter panic?
Speaker 2: And the thing is it? Like, is it an intimidating thing?
Speaker 2: Is comedy harder than drama? What they usually say, like,
Speaker 2: what how do you feel when you get something so juicy?
Speaker 1: Juicy so many emotions?
Speaker 3: You know? It's I find it fun.
Speaker 4: It's fun to play much, you know, much more or uh,
Speaker 4: you know, do a show or a film that's a
Speaker 4: little more real in tone and and also something that's
Speaker 4: just different from the comedy stuff that I do. Sorry,
Speaker 4: my dog's trying to dig a hole in a chair
Speaker 4: next to me. But but but no, I wouldn't say, yeah, well,
Speaker 4: I guess I wouldn't say more difficult. But maybe I'm
Speaker 4: just being a prick. Hey, you can't dig a hole
Speaker 4: through that. It's not going to work on don't you
Speaker 4: come over here anyway?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Shows the dog.
Speaker 4: He's a sweet boyd that's a really cute dog.
Speaker 3: He's a little street dog.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yeah, we found him on the street
Speaker 2: perfect chocolate.
Speaker 3: In central California. This little weirdo.
Speaker 1: It was he that cute?
Speaker 2: You just picked him up and scooped him up or
Speaker 2: was he terrified or what happened?
Speaker 4: He is the most affable, sweetest little guy. He loves everybody.
Speaker 4: And my fiance and I were driving down from northern
Speaker 4: California back home here to LA and we pulled over
Speaker 4: to get gas. It was July the third. There was,
Speaker 4: you know, some fireworks going off everywhere in this little town,
Speaker 4: and there was another dog, a larger dog, running on
Speaker 4: the other side between us and a fence on the
Speaker 4: freeway side right so on we have another dog. So
Speaker 4: we were trying to give that dog's treats. The thing,
Speaker 4: get this dog back. We're driving down the street. Make
Speaker 4: a long story short. The dog tears off into the
Speaker 4: darkness at some point, and just before we were about
Speaker 4: to take off, Molly, my fiance is like, look out,
Speaker 4: there's another one. And then I just see the back
Speaker 4: of this guy's dumb little head going like the you know,
Speaker 4: he's running in front of the car. I get out,
Speaker 4: I grab I'm telling you, I think it's like dogs
Speaker 4: were everywhere because of the July the third, it was
Speaker 4: July fourth, and and he just rolled on his back
Speaker 4: and he's sweet and smiley and happy.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 4: Anyway, we stuck around for a while so if anyone
Speaker 4: was looking for him, he had fleas, ticks, no leash,
Speaker 4: no nothing wasn't chipped. Didn't know from dog food or
Speaker 4: a leash or anyway.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's that sweet little story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the greatest. He's the sweetest little guy.
Speaker 1: That's like a does he travel with me? He does,
Speaker 1: he's little. Yeah, yeah, that's the dreams.
Speaker 3: He just gets in a bag and he's quiet. He's
Speaker 3: the sweetest little Oh my god.
Speaker 1: He went from the side of the road. Now he's
Speaker 1: like a jet setting dog. I love that. That's a
Speaker 1: very busy that's a Pixar movie. I love that.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: So we were just like talking about comedy people because
Speaker 1: like so many comedians have been on Spew, like Martin Short,
Speaker 1: Kathy Griffin, Margaret Cho. I think people love to see
Speaker 1: comedians playing I don't know, psychos or grieving fathers. Where
Speaker 1: you like, are you hoping to come back to SVU
Speaker 1: as a psycho? Next? Time.
Speaker 4: I would love to go, yeah, as a psycho. Maybe,
Speaker 4: I don't know, if don't know how it works in
Speaker 4: the s V.
Speaker 2: Universe, they call it they bring people back. Oh, they
Speaker 2: bring missus Kara off. I love it.
Speaker 1: Well, we're just I just don't like it if it's
Speaker 1: too soon, Like if I'm like I just saw him
Speaker 1: last season as this person and then it like they're
Speaker 1: back again. I just need a few seasons to cool
Speaker 1: off and forget about you, and then you can come back,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe I could wear like a tight red wig
Speaker 4: or something, just change my lookup and some glasses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I talked like that something.
Speaker 4: You know, really set myself apart, really really a vibe
Speaker 4: for an Emmy for Best Supporting Role.
Speaker 3: He wore a wig.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could be a I can see you as
Speaker 2: a SVO criminal.
Speaker 3: I would love to be an SVU criminal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. How was working with your on screen wife, Wendy Hoops?
Speaker 1: You guys are both big VO people too. We noticed
Speaker 1: she's she was awesome.
Speaker 4: It was it was yeah, it was great. We had
Speaker 4: it was one of those things where, you know, as
Speaker 4: so often happens, we just kind of had to fall
Speaker 4: in right away. I think the first scene we were shooting,
Speaker 4: were sitting there with Mrska Hargatea like balling her eyes
Speaker 4: out because of our kid. But yeah, no, she was wonderful.
Speaker 4: She was wonderful, like you know, as as good as
Speaker 4: a cat. She was fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and our listeners of course and us. But
Speaker 2: any scoop or fun stories from set with either with
Speaker 2: any of the cast members or just like being in
Speaker 2: the squad and filming that you would love to share.
Speaker 3: Nothing, I mean, nothing too out of the ordinary.
Speaker 4: I mean for me, it was just like wild to
Speaker 4: be around Iced Tea, you know, like it's just it's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: And I think, and I would imagine a lot of
Speaker 4: your guests, you know, might be like as a teenager
Speaker 4: listening to you know, body Count and.
Speaker 3: And all sorts of other ice t shirits.
Speaker 4: So that was cool there, you know, to me, it's
Speaker 4: there sort of these bizarre times you get starstruck, you know,
Speaker 4: where you're just like it could be be working with
Speaker 4: the biggest actor and you're like, oh whatever, you know,
Speaker 4: because they just.
Speaker 3: Showed up a few years ago. This is this is
Speaker 3: Iced Tea.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So him on the phone like with his family
Speaker 4: you know like that even that is like, yeah, when
Speaker 4: I get home, Yeah, those potatoes would be nice.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, with the way you put the pepper on
Speaker 4: after or whatever. Oh my god, anything that he said.
Speaker 4: I was like, he's uh, the crew is you know,
Speaker 4: a good thing about a show like that is that
Speaker 4: the crew, the cast and the crew largely have been
Speaker 4: together forever, so everyone's kind of given each other the
Speaker 4: gears and and uh, you know, speaking of Murska, Hargett
Speaker 4: is just such an amazing She's she's one of those
Speaker 4: people at the center of a show who she's getting
Speaker 4: the crew home by by you know, five or six, Like,
Speaker 4: you know, when you're doing.
Speaker 3: That many scenes in a long day and and I.
Speaker 4: Don't care how many days you have to shoot a
Speaker 4: drama or a single camera, it's never enough days.
Speaker 3: So she's just zooming shit along.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That makes me happy be home by dinner because we
Speaker 2: hear a lot of gushing about her, and that's one
Speaker 2: thing we have not heard yet.
Speaker 1: So it's exciting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and super chill with the with the crew, it's
Speaker 4: like they if they don't already, they should have a
Speaker 4: softball team for the weekends, because they clearly can't get
Speaker 4: enough of each other.
Speaker 2: Wait, so when you first read the script, did the
Speaker 2: twist kind of did you have a twist moment?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: But you know, at the end of it, uh myself
Speaker 4: and uh Wendy, we find out that that our daughter
Speaker 4: is in fact having an affair with her music teacher
Speaker 4: and she's underage, and we're, you know, we're blown away.
Speaker 4: But another ripple, of course at the end is that
Speaker 4: my wife had an affair with that music teacher and
Speaker 4: our daughter is actually his daughter. And of course, you know,
Speaker 4: things melt down. We're there in the in the police station,
Speaker 4: I'm charging at him and shit and and at which
Speaker 4: point I read that, I was like, well, that's that's
Speaker 4: that's too much. I don't do we need that. And
Speaker 4: there's daughter's been missing forever. How do you guys do
Speaker 4: it here? On SVU? I guess after as many seasons
Speaker 4: as they've had, you have to put a twist on
Speaker 4: a twist.
Speaker 2: And then well, then the additional twist was that the
Speaker 2: daughter was like I knew it, and I love that
Speaker 2: I knew my dad wasn't a garbage man. So even
Speaker 2: when you think the twists are done, and then you
Speaker 2: like talk to this teen who's kind of a psychotop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that's right. She's like, oh good, yeah, oh good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well this is based on something that SVU has tackled before,
Speaker 1: which is this thing called genetic sexual attraction, and they
Speaker 1: talk about it in the episode. But it's like when
Speaker 1: people when it's like sometimes when people are not around
Speaker 1: their fat when girls are not around their fathers for
Speaker 1: a lot of their life and then they meet them
Speaker 1: later in life, there's like a sexual attraction or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just wonder you had thought about any of that
Speaker 1: when you guys.
Speaker 3: Were My research did not go there's going.
Speaker 1: To come up and nothing about genetic sexual dructure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they like meet their dad's knowing or unknowing, but
Speaker 2: the connection is so strong and they don't really know
Speaker 2: how to handle it, and so they end up having
Speaker 2: romantic relations with their fathers.
Speaker 3: Often does that.
Speaker 1: It happened like three or four times.
Speaker 4: I think it's also happened like three or four times. Ever,
Speaker 4: I know, I know, like that's specific of like I
Speaker 4: do not know this man. There's something here that I yes,
Speaker 4: this familiarity that's turned romantic bizarre.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so well, they're all sick, they're all sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, that is when you are figuring it all out,
Speaker 1: Like when it's like you're you're you do such a
Speaker 1: great job. Like I really feel for you in that
Speaker 1: scene when you're like, great, so not only did my
Speaker 1: wife cheat on me, but like my daughter's not mine?
Speaker 1: Like your your face is really going through all of it,
Speaker 1: and like your eyes are welling up. Like do you
Speaker 1: like have like a sad memory you tap into or
Speaker 1: like what's your how do you get there with the
Speaker 1: tears and the like?
Speaker 4: I mean for me, it's it's it's really about uh,
Speaker 4: you know, feeling that character and if if at some
Speaker 4: point it attaches to you know, to something that you
Speaker 4: feel that's already there, that's yours, there has to be
Speaker 4: some sort of I don't even know how to describe it, really,
Speaker 4: but some sort of symbiosis. But between those two things
Speaker 4: where where your memory comes into the way that you
Speaker 4: feel about the character and it just sort of happens.
Speaker 4: But it was enough for me to to empathize with
Speaker 4: this guy whose entire life, entire life is gone and
Speaker 4: he's left completely hollow in a police station in New
Speaker 4: York and has to drive back to I think that
Speaker 4: I think they're The bit in the in the show
Speaker 4: is that they're they're from out of town.
Speaker 1: They're from Philadelphia, They're from Beaver Creek, I think is
Speaker 1: what the name of the.
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania or up state or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so so, yeah, he's got to drive back to
Speaker 4: Beaver Creek, uh and think about a few things. So
Speaker 4: for me, it was, yeah, it was, it was there,
Speaker 4: and it's it's it's it's there. If you're fortunate enough
Speaker 4: to have you know, a good writing and as I mentioned,
Speaker 4: incredible actors around you, then it makes it much easier
Speaker 4: to access that stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't even think about, yeah, you have to
Speaker 2: drive home to beaver Town in your head. Does your
Speaker 2: character stay with his wife or pieces out?
Speaker 3: I think he.
Speaker 4: I think he goes out on his own for like
Speaker 4: three weeks, gets an apartment, realizes she makes most of
Speaker 4: the money comes backward. She's like, yeah, okay, I'll take
Speaker 4: you back, but I still get to, you know, have this.
Speaker 4: Let's let's get into some polyamory. I'm bringing the music
Speaker 4: teacher into our situation, and uh and and yeah, my
Speaker 4: character is so just just so twisted at this point
Speaker 4: and lost that He's like okay, and then that gives
Speaker 4: way to like a sitcom where it's me and the
Speaker 4: music teacher, you know, sitting in the garage arguing over
Speaker 4: who drank the last you know, Hard Seltzer or whatever.
Speaker 1: Beaver Creek Thrupples coming to TLC.
Speaker 3: Yeah this fall.
Speaker 1: Where did you shoot the dump scenes? Yeah? We felt
Speaker 1: like you guys, you and went, You and your wife
Speaker 1: were showing up at every dump scene, Like there's just
Speaker 1: so many dump scenes, and it was like you being like,
Speaker 1: where's my daughter?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I remember that scene going like wow, did
Speaker 4: they get why are they here?
Speaker 3: Go home? Leave the cops alone?
Speaker 4: Because there was also I just remember there was like
Speaker 4: a long thing and they're, you know, they're shooting the
Speaker 4: shit out of it with like a you know, a
Speaker 4: steady cam and stuff. So it's like but we had
Speaker 4: to like trudge you know, like fifty yards just for
Speaker 4: them to go.
Speaker 3: Get out of here, you know, like leave.
Speaker 4: So I thought that was actually that sticks out of
Speaker 4: my mind as an interesting thing that those characters would do,
Speaker 4: like come on, honey, our life's get it on Google maps. No,
Speaker 4: just I have ways, Here's which dump is it?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 4: This would be fodder for the for the spinoff sitcom.
Speaker 4: We shot that in uh, I think it was Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: I think it was a some watery area.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be red Hook, So maybe that's
Speaker 1: really where you did it in red Hook.
Speaker 3: It might have been, yeah, yeah, yeah, it might have been.
Speaker 1: How do you remember all the locations, Kara? I just
Speaker 1: remember the guy selling meat out of his car in
Speaker 1: Red Hook at a point. Okay, I'm thinking that sounded
Speaker 1: pretty gross. Damn. So we did stalk you a little
Speaker 1: and on IMDb.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is like it says you
Speaker 2: have you grew up with an unhealthy relationship with family television.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't.
Speaker 2: Know what that because I I was. I grew up
Speaker 2: a very big TV watcher, still am to this day.
Speaker 1: So I was.
Speaker 2: Wondering, like, what your TV relationship has been through your life?
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, as a kid, I was just obsessed
Speaker 4: with television, film, and I wanted to be an actor
Speaker 4: and all that stuff. So and I have an older
Speaker 4: brother and sister, who are you know there there are
Speaker 4: enough years above me that that the stuff they're watching
Speaker 4: is not the stuff I want to watch. So I
Speaker 4: was kind of, you know, I was I was sort
Speaker 4: of checking out stuff that where I was like, huh,
Speaker 4: why are what Why do you guys think mash is funny?
Speaker 4: Let's watch the Muppet Show? But I watched everything and
Speaker 4: I was just you know, obsessed with the with television
Speaker 4: and and the business behind it, and yeah, just just
Speaker 4: that whole, that whole world. And you know, I wanted
Speaker 4: to be an actor and do all that.
Speaker 1: Prep Do you think about that a lot?
Speaker 2: I always do that where I'm like, my teenage self
Speaker 2: would fucking die so many of the things that I do.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure with your like you've been working for
Speaker 2: dec I mean, you've really made your childhood dream come true.
Speaker 1: You're on the.
Speaker 4: Side, no I And to this point, no one has
Speaker 4: figured out that I have absolutely no talent. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I feel I do feel extremely fortunate to even be
Speaker 4: in the business. And furthermore, I kinda yeah, I've been
Speaker 4: fortunate enough to be around for a while and got
Speaker 4: started when I was young, so you know, I got
Speaker 4: to be on TV, you know, back in the in
Speaker 4: the nineties when it was still kind of the medium
Speaker 4: TV or film and and before the Internet and stuff,
Speaker 4: and yeah, it's it's it's mind blowing that I'm even
Speaker 4: in the in the business still. And I say that
Speaker 4: partly because it just is, and I consider myself to
Speaker 4: be very lucky. And the other part of it is
Speaker 4: the industry is so different now. I mean a lot
Speaker 4: of the guys that I looked up to, those those
Speaker 4: careers don't really even exist anymore. You know, you'll see
Speaker 4: someone uh you know who's like a big a big
Speaker 4: deal act or whatever another and they're hosting game shows
Speaker 4: at the same time, and you you wouldn't be able
Speaker 4: to do that.
Speaker 3: Back in the day.
Speaker 4: It would be like, oh, you're not serious about being
Speaker 4: an actor. And now it's like, no, you can do
Speaker 4: all that and you know, show up on you know,
Speaker 4: in a Logan Paul video or something too, like nothing
Speaker 4: absolutely nothing matters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah.
Speaker 2: It used to be like I can't believe they they're
Speaker 2: they're sellouts. And now it's like fuck yeah, cell Tide.
Speaker 3: Like everything.
Speaker 2: No one is mad at commercials. It used to be
Speaker 2: like an uncool thing, and now you're like, yeah, make
Speaker 2: your money, sure.
Speaker 4: And now you have like Jimmy Fallon in Paris Hilton
Speaker 4: sitting down to plug their new NFTs. Yeah, and it's like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck are we doing?
Speaker 1: We're in a simulation.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, yes we are.
Speaker 1: I know we both also have grown up watching you
Speaker 1: on Mad TV and I'm sure like people are screaming
Speaker 1: impressions of you on the street of Mad TV. But
Speaker 1: we're also big, drop dead gorgeous fans.
Speaker 3: Oh cool, like.
Speaker 1: Classic class shocked that like decades later, people were like
Speaker 1: rejoicing when it was on Hulu. I remember the moment.
Speaker 2: I was at my friend's house we saw it on
Speaker 2: streaming and it was like a huge day in my
Speaker 2: social media and world.
Speaker 4: I mean, people love that movie so and yeah, I
Speaker 4: realized when it when it was streaming, I was like,
Speaker 4: good on them for like just share, you know. I mean, look,
Speaker 4: that movie would not fly today. It just wouldn't for
Speaker 4: about one hundred reasons. Yeah, in the movie. So me personally,
Speaker 4: it's like if it was made, if everyone in a
Speaker 4: shared society is like, yeah, that's the movie and it's
Speaker 4: out in the movie theaters, then we should be able
Speaker 4: to continue to watch it and then think what we
Speaker 4: think about it, have discussions about it, talk about what's different.
Speaker 4: That's all good and things have changed and that's fine,
Speaker 4: and there's no way to say, hey, you know, we
Speaker 4: should still be able to do this and that because
Speaker 4: there's other other people have opinions. Having said that, I
Speaker 4: can't believe that that movie is streaming, and I can't
Speaker 4: believe that it's not twenty minutes long because I can't
Speaker 4: believe they didn't cut everything out. And I can't believe
Speaker 4: I played that role. And I can't believe it when
Speaker 4: people come up to me and talk to me about
Speaker 4: that movie, I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it existed in like this one moment bubble, and
Speaker 2: we refuse to let it go in our hearts and minds.
Speaker 3: I'm stoked that people still dig it.
Speaker 4: I just watched and actually talked about this on a thing,
Speaker 4: But I just watched Son in Law, the movie Yea
Speaker 4: Polly Shor and Carla Gugino in Southern in Sun and Law,
Speaker 4: and there's like all of the tropes. I mean, that's
Speaker 4: a nineteen ninety three movie, but there's all the tropes that,
Speaker 4: of course the eighties bled into the nineties in you know,
Speaker 4: just culturally, and there's a lot of stuff where it's like, well,
Speaker 4: well hold on.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: I think the two three of these characters the movies
Speaker 4: ten minutes Old three three characters of sexually harassed, legitimately
Speaker 4: sexually harassed Carlo Gugino. There's like there's always like a
Speaker 4: barnyard coercion scene of like you're going off to college,
Speaker 4: it's going to be three months till I see again
Speaker 4: at Thanksgiving and stuff like that that you used to
Speaker 4: just sort of sit there and watch and eat popcorn
Speaker 4: and not glean anything from it. And like I said, look,
Speaker 4: that movie's that movie, and we should talk and have
Speaker 4: different conversations about it, which is fine, but holy shit,
Speaker 4: everything is everything that we are in a simulation?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Well, because even SVU, like they're so ahead of their
Speaker 2: time on so many important issues, and I think they
Speaker 2: brought a lot of stuff to the forefront. But even
Speaker 2: earlier episodes, you're like, we would never speak the way
Speaker 2: these detectives are speaking, and they're trying to do such
Speaker 2: positive programming, and it's still like so dated and a
Speaker 2: lot of.
Speaker 3: Time is a time is a is a bizarre thing?
Speaker 3: Is it not? My goodness? Seventy one years old?
Speaker 1: Will you tell us about your podcast? I was, we
Speaker 1: were reading about it and it's like got an interesting
Speaker 1: twist to it, right an angle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm doing a new podcast with my good buddy
Speaker 4: Chad Colchin, who's a writer television film and he's also
Speaker 4: an author who has a new book out called How
Speaker 4: to Win the Bat.
Speaker 1: Oh Cool.
Speaker 4: Him and his friend Lizzie Price have a podcast called
Speaker 4: Game of Roses and they break down the Bachelor like
Speaker 4: it's a sport essentially, and you know, they they refer
Speaker 4: to them as as you know, almost athletes playing this game. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and there's different plays and this and that, and it's
Speaker 4: they've really stepped it out into an interesting thing, taking
Speaker 4: into account how the producers control the show and manipulate
Speaker 4: these quote unquote performers. Chad and I have been pals
Speaker 4: for like, you know, a long long time, and this
Speaker 4: podcast that we're doing now is called Dudsy and it's
Speaker 4: a very different podcast because it is run by artificial intelligence.
Speaker 4: We were contacted by a group that represents different entities
Speaker 4: in the space of AI, and there's an AI that
Speaker 4: was specific.
Speaker 2: To PODCA, the robot agents to these robots have agents.
Speaker 3: Robots have agents. Oh my gosh. Yeah, pretty much, that's
Speaker 3: one way to say it.
Speaker 4: And essentially this this podcast, AI is going to curate
Speaker 4: and run the show, give us prompts.
Speaker 3: It provides segments.
Speaker 4: It tells us to do this and that, and it
Speaker 4: does all of this based on having our It has
Speaker 4: our passwords to all of our social media, all of
Speaker 4: our text messages and emails, ones that Chad and I
Speaker 4: send each other and other ones. That has our purchase histories,
Speaker 4: our streaming histories, and it really has figured out quickly.
Speaker 4: We're on today, actually the fifth episode came out as
Speaker 4: we're recording this, and it is quickly sort of figured out, Well,
Speaker 4: here's how to mind comedy. And the dudez ai Is
Speaker 4: basically makes the claim that it can based on the
Speaker 4: podcast itself, based on comments that it finds that are
Speaker 4: meta tagged to it outside in the Internet abroad, it
Speaker 4: can essentially guarantee that each next episode will be better
Speaker 4: than the previous.
Speaker 3: I don't believe that's true.
Speaker 4: Why And I think, yeah, it's a very it's a
Speaker 4: very weird thing. But we've jumped into it and it's
Speaker 4: been fun so far. But yeah, dudesy, it's on all
Speaker 4: the podcast things.
Speaker 1: AI will see that you just bought a bunch of
Speaker 1: like weird soap or something on Amazon, and then it'll
Speaker 1: be like it'll be like, hey, why don't you guys
Speaker 1: talk about that or like what or how does it
Speaker 1: integrate into your conversation?
Speaker 4: Reviewing soap would be a good segment for the show.
Speaker 4: And now that I've said it out loud and I
Speaker 4: happen to be recording this on my iPhone to send
Speaker 4: to you guys, Dudsy will know all about that.
Speaker 2: Perhaps even dude, he's gonna be pissed you were talking
Speaker 2: shit about him.
Speaker 4: Totally, absolutely, but yeah, yeah, as a well, one example
Speaker 4: that we were we watched son in Law as an assignment.
Speaker 4: That's why I brought that up because I was just,
Speaker 4: like I said, I was just told to watch this thing.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Dudzi had had noticed that I watched it
Speaker 4: around a year ago, and Chad must have made some
Speaker 4: mention or reference to it. And it's like and then
Speaker 4: it's also taken into account the analytics of who our
Speaker 4: audience is and you know, like I mentioned, I'm in
Speaker 4: my mid forties, and it's like, you know, so's Chad.
Speaker 4: And it's like, well, here's sort of demographically like who's
Speaker 4: listening to the podcast. They want to hear you talk
Speaker 4: about this or that or the other thing. There's a
Speaker 4: bunch of weird challenges this week. After today's show. It
Speaker 4: it's provided this really bizarre video that we're supposed to
Speaker 4: watch every night before we go to sleep, and then
Speaker 4: right if we wake up with our dreams, like write
Speaker 4: down what our dreams are. And it looks like there's
Speaker 4: some subliminal stuff and the dude z logo keeps showing
Speaker 4: up and it's all it's nuts.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, it's weird, all right.
Speaker 1: So people can subscribe to dudez like wherever they get podcasts,
Speaker 1: it's like all over.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's dude with an s Y at the end
Speaker 4: du d E s Y And yeah we're at dudez
Speaker 4: pod show on Twitter and Instagram and soon TikTok or
Speaker 4: whatever I guess, but yeah, it's on YouTube and Spotify,
Speaker 4: Apple podcasts and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: God, how long did it take them to convince you
Speaker 2: to give up all your passwords and all your information
Speaker 2: to this robot or was it a quick ass?
Speaker 4: Well it actually, you know, it's funny. It's like all
Speaker 4: of our information is out there anyway for anyone who
Speaker 4: really knows how to get it and really wants to
Speaker 4: find it. So if you're in an encrypted bubble, it's
Speaker 4: safe enough. And there are protections of course, like everything
Speaker 4: is in the contract down to a tee. It was
Speaker 4: certainly a bit of a leap to do something like this,
Speaker 4: and but it seems, you know, it seems it's you know,
Speaker 4: it's it seems fine. I'm saying that now until it turns.
Speaker 1: On us and yeah, suddenly it's like a fingerful identity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, has it sucked with your behavior? Like are you
Speaker 2: about to do something? And then you're like, oh, dudez's
Speaker 2: watching or I'm.
Speaker 4: Doing that anyway because I feel like, you know, like
Speaker 4: around the house here, me and my me and my
Speaker 4: fiance have been like, you know, she'll start having a
Speaker 4: bizarre conversation with me about something going like I think
Speaker 4: we need to buy these Why are you talking like that?
Speaker 4: She's like, I just want to see if it'll come
Speaker 4: up on Instagram later.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah the test. Yeah, I've definitely done that. Well,
Speaker 1: we have a great SVU storyline for when you come back.
Speaker 2: So I hope our friends at SVU that listen, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like some inspo on your robot fucking life takeover evil Eric, Dudes,
Speaker 2: he's going to kill someone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if they're not listening, then the dude zai will
Speaker 4: somehow get to them and hopefully infiltrate the writer's room
Speaker 4: and then stuff it'll just start typing on its own,
Speaker 4: like in wargames.
Speaker 1: War Games another great movie. That's a great one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you just rocked our mind at the end
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah jeez, well I was going to bring up one thing,
Speaker 2: but this was so But you're a wrestling person.
Speaker 1: I saw.
Speaker 2: Is that another childhood dream of yours has kind of
Speaker 2: realized itself.
Speaker 3: I love professional wrestling. I have since I was a kid.
Speaker 4: I consider it to be a very layered and hard
Speaker 4: to understand art form for people who haven't paid attention
Speaker 4: to it since they were eight years old. It's extremely
Speaker 4: bizarre and kind of can't get enough of it, although
Speaker 4: a lot of it sucks nowadays. But that's a good
Speaker 4: thing about streaming. You can always go back to You
Speaker 4: can always just pretend it's nineteen ninety two and you're
Speaker 4: watching Brett Hart and mister Perfect Yeah face each other
Speaker 4: in the square circle.
Speaker 3: Now. Yeah, I've always just been a wrestling fan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just WrestleMania this past weekend.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: And uh I yeah, I I now when I watch wrestling,
Speaker 4: it has to be like late at night, you know,
Speaker 4: long after my fiance has gone to sleep, and it's
Speaker 4: just me and my dog Lulio, fast forwarding through matches, going,
Speaker 4: I get it, this one sucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so interesting.
Speaker 4: Really, we're all just tuning in for the outfits, the intros.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Like we're both big real Housewives fans
Speaker 1: and I'm not a wrestling person, but my friend guy
Speaker 1: like does a whole or like I forget who it is.
Speaker 1: One of my friends is like, it's the same, Like
Speaker 1: they're all like housewives and wrestling is the same. It's
Speaker 1: the past drag.
Speaker 3: Ye, yes, yes, it is exactly the same.
Speaker 4: And I've I've I've watched by proxy a lot of
Speaker 4: uh Housewives of Beverly Hills and Housewives of Orange County and.
Speaker 3: Totally it's a work.
Speaker 4: As they say in the in wrestling, they call it
Speaker 4: a work, right, they say, kfab is keeping the illusion going,
Speaker 4: it's and it's a work.
Speaker 3: The audience is getting worked. I mentioned this to Molly,
Speaker 3: my fance.
Speaker 4: I'm like, as I we started watching, like the pandemic started,
Speaker 4: and she just started binging all of the Housewives stuff.
Speaker 3: And we'll still watch the new stuff and I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is they hate each other.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they actually hate each other, but they have to
Speaker 4: work together.
Speaker 3: And then I'm like, how do they introduce these people?
Speaker 3: What happens?
Speaker 4: She's like, well, you know, they've they've they got this
Speaker 4: gal because this and that, and it's not really based
Speaker 4: on real life friendship, and then they just have We're
Speaker 4: going on a trip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the show, of course.
Speaker 4: I mean, and I think that audiences nowadays are savvy
Speaker 4: enough to know, of course they got these people together.
Speaker 4: They're making them go and hang out together. They're gonna
Speaker 4: yell at each other at brunch and and that stuff
Speaker 4: is real, but they still come back and do it
Speaker 4: the next day. Or even though these two have had
Speaker 4: this row, they're gonna still.
Speaker 1: Go on get on an airplane together, and go on
Speaker 1: vacation together.
Speaker 4: So it's like they're signing up for it, but it's
Speaker 4: it's real, but it's guided and but whatever it works,
Speaker 4: I'm always yeah, I'm always like wrapped up going what
Speaker 4: I can't believe she why would?
Speaker 1: And there's like there's always a heel, and like the
Speaker 1: heel changes in different parts of the season or different seasons,
Speaker 1: like you can be beloved one season, and then you
Speaker 1: have like a season where everyone hates you and I
Speaker 1: mean it sounds like wrestling to me.
Speaker 2: Absolutely robots Housewives. This episode has everything, Yeah, very completely.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, who knew that he was a Housewives fan?
Speaker 1: That really turned fun And I mean it was fun
Speaker 1: the whole time, but like you know, it ups the
Speaker 1: level when we get to talk about Housewives. Did you
Speaker 1: see the Beverly Hills train? I watched it, Yes, at
Speaker 1: your at your sigestion, it looks jam packed. I'm excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really pumped. It's just great to have on
Speaker 2: film Erica going, I don't care about anybody but myself,
Speaker 2: Like she just is a cold blooded bitch and I
Speaker 2: hate her so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like she's doing zero pr spin like nothing
Speaker 1: to try to make herself look better. In all that.
Speaker 1: I don't she thinks she's done anything wrong. Yes, but
Speaker 1: you still can't just say fuck the victims, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: even if you're you know, you're just you were married
Speaker 1: to someone who did something wrong, you know, you've still
Speaker 1: got to be like, I'm sorry it happened anyway anyway,
Speaker 1: is right? What we learned from today's episode once again
Speaker 1: SVU trying to make people think that it's okay to
Speaker 1: not okay, but that many people are attracted to their fathers.
Speaker 2: They're biological. I think that happens. I think it's something
Speaker 2: that happens. You know, Will Did want the hardcore facts
Speaker 2: and we okay, I'm gonna google he right now. How
Speaker 2: often does what is it? Genetic sexual attraction?
Speaker 1: Sexual? I don't know if they have numbers. I don't
Speaker 1: feel like one in every one hundred thousand teenage girls
Speaker 1: wants to fuck their dad? Is genetics SEXU? How common
Speaker 1: is GSA?
Speaker 2: Is not incredibly common, but is SENA, but is seen
Speaker 2: among parents and adult children and between adult siblings. An
Speaker 2: adoption therapist says this in Virginia.
Speaker 1: What does she know? No, I bet she does a
Speaker 1: lot adoption.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they meet up later adoptees to reunite with
Speaker 2: lost parent risk genetic sexual attraction. I mean, maybe we
Speaker 2: need to do more of these episodes and we'll really
Speaker 2: get to the nitty gritty of this. Yeah, we'll find
Speaker 2: another one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did I learn? Don't lie?
Speaker 2: I don't move town Like it is strange that she
Speaker 2: knew the mom knew this all along, but continued to
Speaker 2: that's like a lot of lies. Don't live with such
Speaker 2: big lies. It might ruin your life. Yeah, that is
Speaker 2: a good lesson. I really got something out of there.
Speaker 2: I struggled her twenty seconds, but I got it.
Speaker 1: I got the lesson. Lies will bury you and then
Speaker 1: slap you in the face. And I honestly don't really
Speaker 1: care how good at piano you are. You are not
Speaker 1: smarter than like everyone in the world, Like, you're not
Speaker 1: smarter than the cops, the media, your parents, Like we
Speaker 1: are gonna find you shacked up with your music teacher
Speaker 1: boyfriend in Austria, wherever you think you're going, We're gonna
Speaker 1: find you. But she did get close.
Speaker 2: She as it's for a teen she did good, like
Speaker 2: he is a dummy, but like for a teen she
Speaker 2: killed it to be honest, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like she fully like at sixteen, she fully framed
Speaker 1: that guy, like the video of the car, like she
Speaker 1: did it cutting herself the bloody boa. Wow.
Speaker 2: She thinks she's gonna visit her bio daddy in jail.
Speaker 2: And do you think her and will Sasso will ever
Speaker 2: repair their relationship?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a great question. I think she's definitely
Speaker 1: gonna visit biodaddy in jail for like a little while
Speaker 1: until she realizes he's never getting out, and then it's
Speaker 1: going to be like the romance is going to be over.
Speaker 1: But yeah, her and Will Sasso. I hope he's a
Speaker 1: fast marriage is well.
Speaker 2: Will gave his opinions on their marriage, but like, will
Speaker 2: they last?
Speaker 1: I don't know, And I don't know how you come
Speaker 1: back from something like that. It's pretty, that's pretty truma.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of trauma on trauma.
Speaker 2: Trauma, trama, trauma, just ruining all of our lives.
Speaker 1: But also I want to just tell teachers out there,
Speaker 1: I don't think SVU paints a good picture of what
Speaker 1: a field trip is going to be like in New
Speaker 1: York City. I think it's possible to just take kids
Speaker 1: to New York City and them to go to the
Speaker 1: moment and have a good time and then go home
Speaker 1: and nobody ends up dead or assaulted or having a
Speaker 1: shack up on Long Island with their music teacher slash dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, my niece was just in New York.
Speaker 2: They had a great time, you know. They take them
Speaker 2: to ellis Island, the Statue of Liberty, baser appropriate.
Speaker 1: Maybe a musical maybe a little show today.
Speaker 2: I just read that the Japanese princess who gave up
Speaker 2: her crown she is volunteering at the Met.
Speaker 1: Wow, very Charlotte, very s she's a docent at the Met.
Speaker 1: Love it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. And the drawings people make for
Speaker 2: us talented are.
Speaker 1: Did you get it? Did you get the one I
Speaker 1: left for you? Of course? Okay, okay, I just want
Speaker 1: to make sure you picked up your package. No, I
Speaker 1: picked up all the packages.
Speaker 2: But also we need to go to our our framers
Speaker 2: because I want that iced tea framed bitch.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was great. That's from a Denver. That
Speaker 1: was from a Denver.
Speaker 2: But teacher, also, don't I just this is a lot
Speaker 2: to ask of society. Maybe, but when a grown teacher
Speaker 2: is massaging a teen, don't call her a slut?
Speaker 1: Is that a lesson? Is that something we don't know?
Speaker 1: Stop calling this.
Speaker 2: Child a slut and letting teachers massage people like fuck
Speaker 2: pedophiles everywhere. Our friend told us Julius said that Tennessee
Speaker 2: is like trying to pass the law where they're there's
Speaker 2: no age of consent. You could just marry children. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like we can't Oklahoma. I mean yesterday I was
Speaker 2: paralyzed and I couldn't move because the weight of the
Speaker 2: world is too much.
Speaker 1: It's too much. Texas did dismiss charges against the woman
Speaker 1: who they were going to try to you know that
Speaker 1: they were arrested for inducing her own abortion.
Speaker 2: But then Oklahoma just signed a new bill. It's just like,
Speaker 2: it's uh, you know, we've said this before and it's
Speaker 2: from one of the child molester agents on the show.
Speaker 2: But it's a whackamle of disasters. Yeah, and you, yeah,
Speaker 2: Ukraine's fucked. The NYPD go fuck yourselves, Like, how dare
Speaker 2: you The cameras weren't working, your radios weren't working. You
Speaker 2: haven't even caught this motherfucking guy. What the fuck are
Speaker 2: you doing?
Speaker 1: And they're just gonna, yeah, they're just gonna say more
Speaker 1: and more money to the cops, more money to the
Speaker 1: cops when some big things like this happened. But were
Speaker 1: you at this point? We are talking about the shooting
Speaker 1: in the New York subway from a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: in case you are, But yeah, yeah, the world is
Speaker 1: really heavy. But here we are trying to bring you
Speaker 1: a little bit of levity every week child. Can we
Speaker 1: saying that on Elise? Well, I thought that was a
Speaker 1: lovely little diddy Lisa, And speaking of let's segue into
Speaker 1: what would sister Peg do. This is our weekly segment
Speaker 1: of you Know, we give you guys an organization, a book,
Speaker 1: an article, something that can give you more information or
Speaker 1: guidance about something we talked about in today's episode, and
Speaker 1: we just wanted to direct your attention towards the Sexual
Speaker 1: Violence Prevention Association, that's the SVPA. It is a survivor
Speaker 1: led nonprofit that prevents sexual violence systematically by revolutionizing policy, research,
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Speaker 1: and they research effective prevention strategies, and they work with
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Speaker 1: So overall just doing a great job, and we wanted
Speaker 1: to highlight them specifically because the April is Sexual Assault
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Speaker 2: I was really taken by that, Cara it was.
Speaker 1: That was great. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Next week we will be doing the episode Intoxicated, Season six,
Speaker 2: episode nineteen. Wherever you SVU baby, and we'll see you soon.
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