WEBVTT - Harry & Harriette Moore 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.400 You're listening to Facing Evil, a production of iHeartRadio and 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:11.160 Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.080 are solely those of the individuals participating in the show 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.680 and do not represent those of iHeartRadio or Tenderfoot TV. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.280 This podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.160 for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:31.760 Hi, everyone, welcome back to Facing Evil. I'm Rascha Pecerrero. 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.720 And i am Evet gent Lay. And today we are 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:38.479 delving into a little known but important event of the 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.680 civil rights movement. It's a murder of two of the 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:46.000 very first people actively fighting for change, and to this 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:51.360 day there's been no justice. We're talking about Harry and 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:52.600 Harriet Moore. 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.000 Yes, and we will be joined by two members of 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:00.520 the Harry T. And Harriet Vmore Cultural Center, and they'll 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:04.280 talk with us about the Moores and the fantastic work 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.720 that their organization is doing. But first, our producer Trevor 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:13.119 is going to take us through today's case. To say 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.240 the Moore's work was dangerous does not begin to describe 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.520 the risks they ran in the Jim Crow. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.400 South FBI investigations pointed to the KKK for the murders, 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.360 but no one was ever charged. 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:29.040 There was a reluctance on the pod of top officials 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:33.160 in the FBI to upset people in the South by 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:38.360 going overboard to find the killos of this Negro organizer, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:39.480 as he was called. 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.400 Harry and Harriet Moore were civil rights pioneers who were 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:48.320 killed on Christmas of nineteen fifty one. Harriet was an 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:52.840 elementary school teacher and Harry was the school principal. In addition, 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.240 Harry started the Brevard County chapter of the NAACP in 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:01.160 nineteen thirty four. He also found the first lawsuit in 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.920 the Deep South to make black and white teacher salaries equal, 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:10.040 and later, after becoming president of the state NAACP, he 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:14.560 launched investigations into police brutality and every lynching that took 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.640 place in Florida. The work was dangerous, but Moore knew 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.400 this and famously said, quote I'm going to keep doing 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.399 it even if it cost me my life end quote. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.200 Local white authorities had taken notice of the Moore's work 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.520 in the community and they didn't like it, especially so 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.840 when Harry Moore organized a campaign against the wrongful convictions 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.280 of three young men who had been found guilty of 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.640 rape of a white girl by an all white jury. 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:46.400 After the accused rape, local Sheriff Willis McCall formed an 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.560 armed posse that found and shot one of the accused 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.640 men hundreds of times. Despite a lack of evidence, a 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.040 jury quickly convicted the other three men who were still alive. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.839 One was sentenced to life in prison, the other two 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:05.240 to death. A legal team led by Thirdgood Marshall, won 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.000 an appeal in the u. S. Supreme Court against the 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.800 convictions of the two who were sentenced to death, and 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.639 a new trial was scheduled, but before it could take place, 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:19.240 Sheriff McCall shot the two men himself. In November nineteen 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.880 fifty one, Harry Moore called for an indictment for murder 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.960 against Sheriff McCall and called on Florida Governor Fuller Warren 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.880 to remove him from office, but then six weeks later, 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.239 on Christmas Day, a bomb exploded in the Moor's home, 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:39.160 killing the couple. Between nineteen fifty one in two thousand eight, 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.520 there were five investigations into the murder. The early ones 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:48.400 were quashed or died out. However, evidence gathered and refined 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:53.440 over sixty years points to four suspects. One was Earl Brooklyn, 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.360 a leader in the k k K with a reputation 0:03:56.520 --> 0:04:00.800 for violence, but he died in nineteen fifty two. Another 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:04.440 suspect was his partner, Tillman Belvin, who also died in 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:08.560 nineteen fifty two. The third suspect's name was Edward Spivey. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.440 He had detailed knowledge about the Moor's family home, but 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:16.440 denied ever being involved, and in nineteen seventy eight, while 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:21.120 on his deathbed, Spivey named the fourth suspect, Joseph Cox. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:26.120 Joseph Cox was a secretary of the local KKK. Spivey 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.320 said Cox had been paid five thousand dollars to plant 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.840 the bomb and had used that money to pay off 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.600 his mortgage. This was backed up by bank records which 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.920 showed he'd satisfied the mortgage just four days before the bombing. 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.120 But one day after his second interview with the FBI 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:46.480 in nineteen fifty two, Cox took his own life, and 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:51.200 so all the suspects are now dead. The tragic deaths 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.320 of Harry and Harriet Moore made them the first people 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.560 to be killed as part of the civil rights movement 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:00.200 that would explode in the following decades, yet their name 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.000 do not appear among the forty names listed on the 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:07.480 Granite Civil Rights Memorial in Montgomery, Alabama, and their story 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:12.080 is rarely taught in history books. And so who were 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.960 Harry and Harriet Moore? Who was responsible for their murder? 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.840 And how does their story demonstrate the long and tireless 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.760 battle for civil rights predating even the fifties and sixties. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:32.680 Alrighty, well, welcome back to Facing Evil. We have got 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:36.599 some very very special guests here today and they're going 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:40.600 to be talking about the life and legacy of the Moors. 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:46.599 The Harry T. And Harriet V. More Cultural Center is 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.479 a memorial and learning space in Mims, Florida, and it's 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:55.920 dedicated to preserving the memory and civil rights contributions of 0:05:56.160 --> 0:06:00.279 the Moors. We have Sonia Mallard who is the Cultural 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.719 Center coordinator, and we have Kashanda Wright, she is the 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:08.920 Cultural Center leader. We are so blessed and so honored 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.680 to have both of you beautiful ladies with us here 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.360 today on Facing Evil. 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.120 Thank you, We're happy to be here very much. 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:21.800 So how did both of you first learn or get involved, 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.760 you know, with the Moore's Cultural Center. 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.159 Yes, I first learned about the Moors. After I moved 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.599 from New York to the state of Florida, right, and 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.560 my husband and not our children. We lived here for 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.360 a while, and you know, life happens. So we came 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.240 down and take care of my husband grandmother, and I 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:42.039 was doing chemo at the time. And afterwards I met Cassandra, 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.600 and I found out about this place. I used to 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.160 come here and just look around, and I was just 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.680 so intrigued and so amazed, and I couldn't believe how 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:54.080 did I never hear or learn about this man and 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:59.360 this family? And I was right right right, So I 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.480 just found to be a jewl like a gym, and 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.159 I was just so fascinated. I don't think I ever left. 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.080 Wow, And what about you, Krishanda. 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.800 So I learned about the Moores when I was doing 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:16.120 this project in school, and it was just two lines. 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.480 We had to pick a person who we admired and 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.080 tell why we admired them, and I happened to pick 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:26.440 Thurgrid Marshall. But when you're researching history, it just says 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.920 two lines about the Moors. It says that he went 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:34.720 and greeed for two weeks for his friends Harry and 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.440 Harriet Moore and you just that's it. 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:38.240 That's all I said. 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.240 It didn't give you any explanation of who they were, 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.720 what they were, what it was about, or anything. So 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:48.360 fast forward, I was working at the library in Titusville 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.240 and they were asking people if they would like to 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:56.080 help because they were putting the information together about the 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.440 Moors Center. And they were like, we need people to 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.320 come and work, and so I was like, oh, that'll 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.320 be something, let's do that. And so I started doing 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.360 it and we got the information together and we were 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.120 helping to put the information on the wall, and the 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.160 lady let us know that they would be interviewing for jobs. 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.040 And since I already knew the information, there was no 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:18.040 reason for me not. 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.320 To interview for the job. And I happened to get it. 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.080 So that's how I got involved. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.080 And here we are, and here we are. You know, 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.480 that's interesting what you said, Sonya, because when we were 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:33.280 doing the case, I was thinking the same thing. How 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:37.920 did we not know about Harry and Harriet Moore? And 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.760 I even called my cousin who went to Tuskegee University, 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.559 and I was like, were you taught this in college? 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.760 And she said no, Like she started googling on her 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.520 phone and she's like, I can't believe that I've never 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:56.720 heard this story like ever. So it's just it's, you know, 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.520 more people, the more we talk about it, more people 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:04.320 need to know about the Moors and their legacy. Can 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.240 you tell us your perspective on the impact that the 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.920 Moors had on the civil rights movement? I mean, when 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.640 you think about this, this was even before doctor King, right. 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:19.480 Yeah, I usually felt like history was erased yet again. 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.959 So given speaking engagements, I like to always start off 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.280 by saying, he was the most hated black man in 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.960 the state of Florida. Right, he was before I had 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.920 a dream today, doctor King. He was even before a 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:34.760 boy any means necessary. How nobody ever really heard of him? 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.640 I like to think it's because it was before Brown 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.160 versus the Board of Education, it was before television. But 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.960 the impact that the Moors really had on the civil 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:49.280 rights movement was explosive as the bomb that was placed 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:54.079 underneath the bedroom floor, right. The impact it ripped the 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.640 legal struggle that was eventually one for equal pay with 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:02.320 black teachers with the help of WACP attorney Thurgood Marshall 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.640 in nineteen thirty seven. You know, Harry fouled the first 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.760 lawsuit in the South, Caller for black teachers and white 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.800 teachers that make the same amount of pay. Their impact 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.520 was so explosive that black men and women started to 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.480 raise their heads right. They stopped looking down and feeling 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:24.600 hopeless and helpless, but proud. They were proud that they 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:29.400 impact shattered feelings of despair. But they gathered blacks throughout 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:34.280 the state of Florida, starting the NAACP throughout the state. 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:38.240 See Harry T. Moore. They understood the assignment and they 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:45.800 knew collectively we were more powerful. Together were powerful and. 0:10:47.520 --> 0:11:11.200 Wow. So why do we think. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.719 That Harry and Harriet were left out of the history books? 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:17.560 Well, there are two folds. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.760 One is that in nineteen fifty one when mister Moore 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.520 from the nineteen twenties, late twenties to nineteen fifty one, 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:29.960 when he was really doing his activism, it was during 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:34.400 the time of radio. Well, in nineteen fifty two we 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:41.199 get television and everything becomes about television. We have no recording, 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.760 we have no visual and so his story kind of 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.760 gets lost because now we're no longer getting our news 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.880 from radio, We're getting our news on television. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:52.640 So that's one reason. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.720 And two, I think that it's like one of those 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.760 things where people want to act like it didn't happen, 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:05.080 because mister Moore really was the forerunner to how the 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:09.200 civil rights movement was going to progress. He was doing 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.439 the things at a time when it was very dangerous 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.160 for him to be doing them because he could have 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.439 gotten lynched, his family could have been killed. And so 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:23.760 I think that once it happened and he was killed, 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.480 although he was a catalyst for other people to start 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.960 doing it, they kind of wanted to keep that quiet 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.720 about what happened because of fear. I mean, it's a 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:39.400 small town. People are fearful that someone might come back. 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.920 They're fearful that they might go after his relatives or 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:43.880 her relatives. 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.040 So you know, in a small town you have to 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:47.679 that fear. 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:52.640 Over oversteps all the things that people really want to 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.120 say and wanted to but they're so afraid. 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:56.560 They were good. 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:58.120 Yeah, I can understand that. 0:12:58.280 --> 0:12:59.959 Yeah, that makes I mean, that makes a lot of sense. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:04.320 And you know, fear can overtake everything, you know, But 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:10.320 thankful for people like Harry and Harriet that persevered. We 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:15.200 always need those people who stay diligent to the end, 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:19.680 you know, till the unfortunate end. Can you tell us 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.760 how the Moors Cultural Center works to change that? Tell 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:27.520 us what the mission statement is? 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.600 Well, I like to say our mission is simple, right, 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.680 So we work under parks and recreation in the county, 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.040 so we're like twofold. And then we have a board 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.079 of directors, so we have a couple of mission statements. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.199 But I think what's so important is that our mission, 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.920 with Cassandra and I running this center here is simple. 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.480 We share the legacy of the Moors right. Our story 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.640 is shared between the era of eighteen sixty the Emancipation 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:58.360 Proclamation to nineteen sixty four, the Civil Rights Voting Act. 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:03.240 And how we do this it's by education, it's by teaching, 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:09.600 it's through storytelling, it's through lectures, it's through movies and 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:14.320 events and simple words, it's experience. So when you come here, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:18.120 and you guys have to come, we have experience. Many 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.840 set foot on our grounds, you will feel the goosebumps. 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:27.000 We have so many surveys and people giving us feedback 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.120 about I felt something and I don't know what it was. 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.680 And I love to just pass the boxes of tissues. 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:37.600 I love it. I love it give them the boxes 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:42.600 of tissues. It's almost like a day's y'all, vol you've 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:47.840 been here before, kind of feel that family, feel that warmth, 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.640 that love, but yet something evil lurking in the growths 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:55.840 kind of feel. And that's pretty much our I feel 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.760 like our mission is simple. If someone can walk in 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:03.920 unknown knowing the mules will walk out with a powerful 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:08.760 impact and them wanting to impact others by sharing the legacy, 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:10.560 our mission has been accomplished. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:14.080 And I feel I feel that we feel that energy, 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:14.640 you know. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.520 We can feel it through through the microphone and there 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:18.720 through the headphone. 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.400 What year did it actually open? 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.600 And like how did it finally like come to being 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:26.200 in fruition. 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:31.000 So it started out with a small group that had 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.400 asked permission to come on to the property and do 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:39.560 a ceremony once a year. Now the group were able 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.480 to get enough funding to actually be able to approaches 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:46.920 the plan. They were eventually able to get enough funding 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.560 to be able to pay for this center, and they 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.040 had to get a road in order to build this center, 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.720 and they built the access road, and then there was 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.080 a whole journey about what we're going to name it, 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:02.720 and they decided upon name it Freedom avenue, which is 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:04.600 Africo of course. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:06.560 And then they build me. 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:11.400 It opened in April of two thousand and four, so 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.640 I started working here in October of two thousand and four, 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:21.160 Soda and so it was a progressive like a plan. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.080 They had the building, and then we got the reflection 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.760 pond and the gazebo, and then we got the pavilion. 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.160 And now we have a replica of the house and 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:35.600 we have a trail as an African American civil rights 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:41.960 walking trail that encompasses the park. So now it has gotten, 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.320 you know, past zero four stages of what they wanted 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:49.080 to do. And for us, when people come on to 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:54.080 the property, I hear people say like, I wasn't planning 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.840 on coming here, but I got out there interstate and 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:02.000 something just was calling me to the property and I 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.240 just feel so at peace here. And then you tell 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.000 them the story and they're shocked about the story because 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.000 of how they feel when they get to the grounds. 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:15.119 And that's what is so important is that even though 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.000 this was a very tragic story and this was about 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.480 a family, and I think that we kind of missed 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:25.119 that when we talk about the situation with the Mores, 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.119 we talk about mister Moore and all the things that 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:32.360 he did. But we don't really talk about the family 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:36.720 aspect because I'm pretty sure if his wife wasn't on board, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.560 none of this would have happened. Now, this is a 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.480 lot for a wife to sit silent and not have 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.800 a say so in. And because she was a like 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.920 minded she realized not only was she going to put 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.280 herself and him in danger, but she was also putting 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.800 her two girls in danger. And so you have to 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.320 think about they were all in this together. They were one, 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:02.719 and she trusted him implicitly with their lives. And so 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.800 when we talk about them, we always said, well, mister 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.240 Moore and how all these fabulous things. But she was 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.240 really the sounding board. She was really the person that 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:17.240 encouraged him when he was faltering. And the children did 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.240 the speeches because he was not although he was a 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:25.760 very great writer and he was so meticulous and crafty 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.000 with this wording, he was not really an orator. But 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.879 his children learned to give the speeches and they became 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.119 powerful orators. And so you start to see that this 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:40.000 was all a family project. This was a family who 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:45.080 had made the choice to do this, and with making 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.200 that choice, they gave up things. They gave up their safety, 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.359 they gave up time being parents, they gave up time 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.399 being children, they gave up time being a wife and 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:58.120 a husband. And it wasn't even for their benefit. It 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.800 was for the benefit of the next generation, because they 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.439 lived a very comfortable life. She was a school teacher, 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.920 he was a school teacher and a principal. Their two 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.080 children were college educated. They had a third income with 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.440 their business of the orange grow and they. 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:17.040 Owned all of their properties. 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.480 They owned their own business, so it wasn't like they 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:25.159 had not reached what we considered the American dreation, owning 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:29.520 your own property, owning your own business, having two professionals 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.320 in the household, having your children both college educated. If 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.560 it had not been for the fact that they wanted 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:39.600 this to be an easier transition for people who came 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.679 along after them, they could have lived up to the 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.159 right old age of whatever. But they made the decision 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.240 as a couple and as a family to take on 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:53.159 and pursue this, and that made all the difference. And 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:55.640 I don't know how many people would give up all 0:19:55.640 --> 0:20:00.720 of their comforts to just make sure that someone who 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:04.200 they don't even know, who may not even appreciate what 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.720 they have done, but they did it anyone that's a 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:12.639 different mindset than most people have. And that's why you 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.880 have to look at them in that like they're amazing. 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.919 When you see great people, you know in the world, 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:22.840 this is one of the people that you have to 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.919 think that their mindset had to be totally way different 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:28.240 from any mindset. 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:28.399 Than we have. 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:54.760 Now you both have spoke so eloquently about the experience. 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:58.240 You know what it feels like. You know, I can 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.920 almost close my eyes and you were talking Sonya when 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:06.480 you were talking in Kashanda, and feel myself on that 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.919 property just in a few more words, because it was 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:15.200 so powerful. Can you tell our listeners who would love 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.919 to come and visit? You know, for the visitors, what 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:21.679 can they expect the moment they walk in? What do 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:26.320 they see? What do they learn immediately about the More's 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:28.320 cultural center When. 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.720 A visitor arrived from our property, the first thing they're 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.080 gonna always know right away is that when they walk 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.520 in is experience right from the start, from the duel, 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:43.520 and it's always something new, a new exhibit, a new movie, 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:48.480 new lectures by different dynamic speakers from around the world, 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:51.560 and new art our lobby in our four year area 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:53.600 is never the same. So even if you come and 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.239 visit us, when you come back, nothing will be the 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.720 same in the museum. You know, some museums to pitch 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:04.159 are stays right there for fifty years. Change things. We 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:10.000 do spring cleaning, right, yeah, and so we have events 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:13.000 as well, and so some of our signature events are 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:17.119 something like men on a Mission, Strategies of successful women. 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:17.480 Right. 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:21.360 We have a tea party out at the gazebo where 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.720 everyone dress up with pearls and hats and s if 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:25.359 they tea. 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:26.159 Uh. 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:29.440 We would have an annual car show, the more Collectible 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.600 Car Show, so we have a new java of friends 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:36.960 that we never would have met before. That's car enthusiasts, right, 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:41.119 and I mean we're talking about over one hundred classic 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:45.760 collectible cars that come in to our place. So when 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:49.200 people come, what they can expect to learn, not only that, 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:54.280 more importantly is that our visitors they will always leave 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:59.159 with more knowledge, more wisdom, and more things to think about. 0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:03.120 So when they walk in inside, they're coming in one way, 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:07.720 but when they walk out outside, hopefully they're going to 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:11.639 be able to impact mankind differently. Because it's something that 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:15.960 was touched, salt or heard from all of their five senses, right. 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:21.520 So yeah, when they visit the more Cultural Center, it's experience. 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:29.480 Because it's perpetually Christmas here. It's perpetually Christmas here. That 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:35.320 spirit still lives on and we refresh every year. You 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:38.560 will get the same tree or the same design every year. 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:41.920 So when you have a perpetual Christmas, you know how 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:46.879 that spirit is infectious and contagious. That's exactly how it 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:50.720 is when people walk onto this land. It is infectious 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:54.399 and contagious. They feel the need to tell the story 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:58.399 to someone or bring someone back. They feel the need 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:01.760 to do something, They feel a call to action, and 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:05.440 that is something that we once we tell them the 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:08.000 story and we tell them all that about the moors, 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:10.560 that is something that we get from everybody. 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:12.600 What can we do to help? What can we do? 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.240 How can we support you? What can we. 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:18.560 Do to make sure that this doesn't get lost again? 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.879 And that's something that people ask all the time, and 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.520 that's our big thing is that we like you to 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.960 talk to somebody about it, Come back and bring a friend, 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:34.320 come to our events. You can support us by giving 0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:39.240 a donation if you would like. We just want everyone 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:42.359 to know this story. And if you tell a friend 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.959 and they tell a friend, everybody will know. 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:50.640 Yes, like six degrees between a so hey. 0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:51.080 That's right. 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:57.960 So, with all of this beautiful energy and aloha and 0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:01.160 love that you've shared with us today about the Moors, 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:07.399 about their story, and more importantly, about the more cultural center, 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:12.280 if you could tell us, like, what can young minds 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:19.000 today learn from the Moors and from learning about their history? 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:24.600