1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to Facing Evil, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: are solely those of the individuals participating in the show 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: and do not represent those of iHeartRadio or Tenderfoot TV. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: This podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, welcome back to Facing Evil. I'm Rascha Pecerrero. 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: And i am Evet gent Lay. And today we are 9 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 3: delving into a little known but important event of the 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 3: civil rights movement. It's a murder of two of the 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: very first people actively fighting for change, and to this 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 3: day there's been no justice. We're talking about Harry and 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: Harriet Moore. 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: Yes, and we will be joined by two members of 15 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: the Harry T. And Harriet Vmore Cultural Center, and they'll 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: talk with us about the Moores and the fantastic work 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: that their organization is doing. But first, our producer Trevor 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 2: is going to take us through today's case. To say 19 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: the Moore's work was dangerous does not begin to describe 20 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: the risks they ran in the Jim Crow. 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 3: South FBI investigations pointed to the KKK for the murders, 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: but no one was ever charged. 23 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 4: There was a reluctance on the pod of top officials 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 4: in the FBI to upset people in the South by 25 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 4: going overboard to find the killos of this Negro organizer, 26 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 4: as he was called. 27 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: Harry and Harriet Moore were civil rights pioneers who were 28 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: killed on Christmas of nineteen fifty one. Harriet was an 29 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: elementary school teacher and Harry was the school principal. In addition, 30 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: Harry started the Brevard County chapter of the NAACP in 31 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four. He also found the first lawsuit in 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: the Deep South to make black and white teacher salaries equal, 33 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: and later, after becoming president of the state NAACP, he 34 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: launched investigations into police brutality and every lynching that took 35 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: place in Florida. The work was dangerous, but Moore knew 36 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: this and famously said, quote I'm going to keep doing 37 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 1: it even if it cost me my life end quote. 38 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: Local white authorities had taken notice of the Moore's work 39 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: in the community and they didn't like it, especially so 40 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: when Harry Moore organized a campaign against the wrongful convictions 41 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: of three young men who had been found guilty of 42 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: rape of a white girl by an all white jury. 43 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: After the accused rape, local Sheriff Willis McCall formed an 44 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: armed posse that found and shot one of the accused 45 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: men hundreds of times. Despite a lack of evidence, a 46 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: jury quickly convicted the other three men who were still alive. 47 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,839 Speaker 1: One was sentenced to life in prison, the other two 48 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: to death. A legal team led by Thirdgood Marshall, won 49 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: an appeal in the u. S. Supreme Court against the 50 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: convictions of the two who were sentenced to death, and 51 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: a new trial was scheduled, but before it could take place, 52 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: Sheriff McCall shot the two men himself. In November nineteen 53 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: fifty one, Harry Moore called for an indictment for murder 54 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: against Sheriff McCall and called on Florida Governor Fuller Warren 55 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: to remove him from office, but then six weeks later, 56 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: on Christmas Day, a bomb exploded in the Moor's home, 57 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: killing the couple. Between nineteen fifty one in two thousand eight, 58 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: there were five investigations into the murder. The early ones 59 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: were quashed or died out. However, evidence gathered and refined 60 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: over sixty years points to four suspects. One was Earl Brooklyn, 61 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: a leader in the k k K with a reputation 62 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: for violence, but he died in nineteen fifty two. Another 63 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: suspect was his partner, Tillman Belvin, who also died in 64 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two. The third suspect's name was Edward Spivey. 65 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: He had detailed knowledge about the Moor's family home, but 66 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: denied ever being involved, and in nineteen seventy eight, while 67 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: on his deathbed, Spivey named the fourth suspect, Joseph Cox. 68 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: Joseph Cox was a secretary of the local KKK. Spivey 69 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: said Cox had been paid five thousand dollars to plant 70 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: the bomb and had used that money to pay off 71 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: his mortgage. This was backed up by bank records which 72 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: showed he'd satisfied the mortgage just four days before the bombing. 73 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: But one day after his second interview with the FBI 74 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty two, Cox took his own life, and 75 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: so all the suspects are now dead. The tragic deaths 76 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: of Harry and Harriet Moore made them the first people 77 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: to be killed as part of the civil rights movement 78 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: that would explode in the following decades, yet their name 79 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: do not appear among the forty names listed on the 80 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: Granite Civil Rights Memorial in Montgomery, Alabama, and their story 81 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: is rarely taught in history books. And so who were 82 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: Harry and Harriet Moore? Who was responsible for their murder? 83 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: And how does their story demonstrate the long and tireless 84 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: battle for civil rights predating even the fifties and sixties. 85 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: Alrighty, well, welcome back to Facing Evil. We have got 86 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 3: some very very special guests here today and they're going 87 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 3: to be talking about the life and legacy of the Moors. 88 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 3: The Harry T. And Harriet V. More Cultural Center is 89 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 3: a memorial and learning space in Mims, Florida, and it's 90 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: dedicated to preserving the memory and civil rights contributions of 91 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 3: the Moors. We have Sonia Mallard who is the Cultural 92 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 3: Center coordinator, and we have Kashanda Wright, she is the 93 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 3: Cultural Center leader. We are so blessed and so honored 94 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: to have both of you beautiful ladies with us here 95 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 3: today on Facing Evil. 96 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 5: Thank you, We're happy to be here very much. 97 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 3: So how did both of you first learn or get involved, 98 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: you know, with the Moore's Cultural Center. 99 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 5: Yes, I first learned about the Moors. After I moved 100 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 5: from New York to the state of Florida, right, and 101 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 5: my husband and not our children. We lived here for 102 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 5: a while, and you know, life happens. So we came 103 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 5: down and take care of my husband grandmother, and I 104 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 5: was doing chemo at the time. And afterwards I met Cassandra, 105 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 5: and I found out about this place. I used to 106 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 5: come here and just look around, and I was just 107 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 5: so intrigued and so amazed, and I couldn't believe how 108 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 5: did I never hear or learn about this man and 109 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 5: this family? And I was right right right, So I 110 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 5: just found to be a jewl like a gym, and 111 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 5: I was just so fascinated. I don't think I ever left. 112 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: Wow, And what about you, Krishanda. 113 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 6: So I learned about the Moores when I was doing 114 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 6: this project in school, and it was just two lines. 115 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 6: We had to pick a person who we admired and 116 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 6: tell why we admired them, and I happened to pick 117 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 6: Thurgrid Marshall. But when you're researching history, it just says 118 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 6: two lines about the Moors. It says that he went 119 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 6: and greeed for two weeks for his friends Harry and 120 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 6: Harriet Moore and you just that's it. 121 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 5: That's all I said. 122 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 6: It didn't give you any explanation of who they were, 123 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 6: what they were, what it was about, or anything. So 124 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 6: fast forward, I was working at the library in Titusville 125 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 6: and they were asking people if they would like to 126 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 6: help because they were putting the information together about the 127 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 6: Moors Center. And they were like, we need people to 128 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 6: come and work, and so I was like, oh, that'll 129 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 6: be something, let's do that. And so I started doing 130 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 6: it and we got the information together and we were 131 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 6: helping to put the information on the wall, and the 132 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 6: lady let us know that they would be interviewing for jobs. 133 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 6: And since I already knew the information, there was no 134 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 6: reason for me not. 135 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 5: To interview for the job. And I happened to get it. 136 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 5: So that's how I got involved. 137 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: And here we are, and here we are. You know, 138 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: that's interesting what you said, Sonya, because when we were 139 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: doing the case, I was thinking the same thing. How 140 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: did we not know about Harry and Harriet Moore? And 141 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 3: I even called my cousin who went to Tuskegee University, 142 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 3: and I was like, were you taught this in college? 143 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: And she said no, Like she started googling on her 144 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: phone and she's like, I can't believe that I've never 145 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 3: heard this story like ever. So it's just it's, you know, 146 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: more people, the more we talk about it, more people 147 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 3: need to know about the Moors and their legacy. Can 148 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: you tell us your perspective on the impact that the 149 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 3: Moors had on the civil rights movement? I mean, when 150 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: you think about this, this was even before doctor King, right. 151 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I usually felt like history was erased yet again. 152 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 5: So given speaking engagements, I like to always start off 153 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 5: by saying, he was the most hated black man in 154 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 5: the state of Florida. Right, he was before I had 155 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 5: a dream today, doctor King. He was even before a 156 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 5: boy any means necessary. How nobody ever really heard of him? 157 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 5: I like to think it's because it was before Brown 158 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 5: versus the Board of Education, it was before television. But 159 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 5: the impact that the Moors really had on the civil 160 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 5: rights movement was explosive as the bomb that was placed 161 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 5: underneath the bedroom floor, right. The impact it ripped the 162 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 5: legal struggle that was eventually one for equal pay with 163 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 5: black teachers with the help of WACP attorney Thurgood Marshall 164 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 5: in nineteen thirty seven. You know, Harry fouled the first 165 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 5: lawsuit in the South, Caller for black teachers and white 166 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 5: teachers that make the same amount of pay. Their impact 167 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 5: was so explosive that black men and women started to 168 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 5: raise their heads right. They stopped looking down and feeling 169 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 5: hopeless and helpless, but proud. They were proud that they 170 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 5: impact shattered feelings of despair. But they gathered blacks throughout 171 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 5: the state of Florida, starting the NAACP throughout the state. 172 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 5: See Harry T. Moore. They understood the assignment and they 173 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 5: knew collectively we were more powerful. Together were powerful and. 174 00:10:47,520 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: Wow. So why do we think. 175 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 2: That Harry and Harriet were left out of the history books? 176 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 5: Well, there are two folds. 177 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 6: One is that in nineteen fifty one when mister Moore 178 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 6: from the nineteen twenties, late twenties to nineteen fifty one, 179 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 6: when he was really doing his activism, it was during 180 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 6: the time of radio. Well, in nineteen fifty two we 181 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 6: get television and everything becomes about television. We have no recording, 182 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 6: we have no visual and so his story kind of 183 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 6: gets lost because now we're no longer getting our news 184 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 6: from radio, We're getting our news on television. 185 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 5: So that's one reason. 186 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 6: And two, I think that it's like one of those 187 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 6: things where people want to act like it didn't happen, 188 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 6: because mister Moore really was the forerunner to how the 189 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 6: civil rights movement was going to progress. He was doing 190 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 6: the things at a time when it was very dangerous 191 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 6: for him to be doing them because he could have 192 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 6: gotten lynched, his family could have been killed. And so 193 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 6: I think that once it happened and he was killed, 194 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 6: although he was a catalyst for other people to start 195 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 6: doing it, they kind of wanted to keep that quiet 196 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 6: about what happened because of fear. I mean, it's a 197 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 6: small town. People are fearful that someone might come back. 198 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 6: They're fearful that they might go after his relatives or 199 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 6: her relatives. 200 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 5: So you know, in a small town you have to 201 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 5: that fear. 202 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 6: Over oversteps all the things that people really want to 203 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 6: say and wanted to but they're so afraid. 204 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 3: They were good. 205 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand that. 206 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes I mean, that makes a lot of sense. 207 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 3: And you know, fear can overtake everything, you know, But 208 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 3: thankful for people like Harry and Harriet that persevered. We 209 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 3: always need those people who stay diligent to the end, 210 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 3: you know, till the unfortunate end. Can you tell us 211 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 3: how the Moors Cultural Center works to change that? Tell 212 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: us what the mission statement is? 213 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 5: Well, I like to say our mission is simple, right, 214 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 5: So we work under parks and recreation in the county, 215 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 5: so we're like twofold. And then we have a board 216 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 5: of directors, so we have a couple of mission statements. 217 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 5: But I think what's so important is that our mission, 218 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 5: with Cassandra and I running this center here is simple. 219 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 5: We share the legacy of the Moors right. Our story 220 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 5: is shared between the era of eighteen sixty the Emancipation 221 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 5: Proclamation to nineteen sixty four, the Civil Rights Voting Act. 222 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 5: And how we do this it's by education, it's by teaching, 223 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 5: it's through storytelling, it's through lectures, it's through movies and 224 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 5: events and simple words, it's experience. So when you come here, 225 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 5: and you guys have to come, we have experience. Many 226 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 5: set foot on our grounds, you will feel the goosebumps. 227 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 5: We have so many surveys and people giving us feedback 228 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 5: about I felt something and I don't know what it was. 229 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 5: And I love to just pass the boxes of tissues. 230 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 5: I love it. I love it give them the boxes 231 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 5: of tissues. It's almost like a day's y'all, vol you've 232 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 5: been here before, kind of feel that family, feel that warmth, 233 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 5: that love, but yet something evil lurking in the growths 234 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 5: kind of feel. And that's pretty much our I feel 235 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 5: like our mission is simple. If someone can walk in 236 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 5: unknown knowing the mules will walk out with a powerful 237 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 5: impact and them wanting to impact others by sharing the legacy, 238 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 5: our mission has been accomplished. 239 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 3: And I feel I feel that we feel that energy, 240 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: you know. 241 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: We can feel it through through the microphone and there 242 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: through the headphone. 243 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 3: What year did it actually open? 244 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: And like how did it finally like come to being 245 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: in fruition. 246 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 6: So it started out with a small group that had 247 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 6: asked permission to come on to the property and do 248 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 6: a ceremony once a year. Now the group were able 249 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 6: to get enough funding to actually be able to approaches 250 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 6: the plan. They were eventually able to get enough funding 251 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 6: to be able to pay for this center, and they 252 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 6: had to get a road in order to build this center, 253 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 6: and they built the access road, and then there was 254 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 6: a whole journey about what we're going to name it, 255 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 6: and they decided upon name it Freedom avenue, which is 256 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 6: Africo of course. 257 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 5: And then they build me. 258 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 6: It opened in April of two thousand and four, so 259 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 6: I started working here in October of two thousand and four, 260 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 6: Soda and so it was a progressive like a plan. 261 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 6: They had the building, and then we got the reflection 262 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 6: pond and the gazebo, and then we got the pavilion. 263 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 6: And now we have a replica of the house and 264 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 6: we have a trail as an African American civil rights 265 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 6: walking trail that encompasses the park. So now it has gotten, 266 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 6: you know, past zero four stages of what they wanted 267 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 6: to do. And for us, when people come on to 268 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 6: the property, I hear people say like, I wasn't planning 269 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 6: on coming here, but I got out there interstate and 270 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 6: something just was calling me to the property and I 271 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 6: just feel so at peace here. And then you tell 272 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 6: them the story and they're shocked about the story because 273 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 6: of how they feel when they get to the grounds. 274 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 6: And that's what is so important is that even though 275 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 6: this was a very tragic story and this was about 276 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 6: a family, and I think that we kind of missed 277 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 6: that when we talk about the situation with the Mores, 278 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 6: we talk about mister Moore and all the things that 279 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 6: he did. But we don't really talk about the family 280 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 6: aspect because I'm pretty sure if his wife wasn't on board, 281 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 6: none of this would have happened. Now, this is a 282 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 6: lot for a wife to sit silent and not have 283 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 6: a say so in. And because she was a like 284 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 6: minded she realized not only was she going to put 285 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 6: herself and him in danger, but she was also putting 286 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 6: her two girls in danger. And so you have to 287 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 6: think about they were all in this together. They were one, 288 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 6: and she trusted him implicitly with their lives. And so 289 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 6: when we talk about them, we always said, well, mister 290 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 6: Moore and how all these fabulous things. But she was 291 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 6: really the sounding board. She was really the person that 292 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 6: encouraged him when he was faltering. And the children did 293 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 6: the speeches because he was not although he was a 294 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 6: very great writer and he was so meticulous and crafty 295 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 6: with this wording, he was not really an orator. But 296 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 6: his children learned to give the speeches and they became 297 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 6: powerful orators. And so you start to see that this 298 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 6: was all a family project. This was a family who 299 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 6: had made the choice to do this, and with making 300 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 6: that choice, they gave up things. They gave up their safety, 301 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 6: they gave up time being parents, they gave up time 302 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 6: being children, they gave up time being a wife and 303 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 6: a husband. And it wasn't even for their benefit. It 304 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 6: was for the benefit of the next generation, because they 305 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 6: lived a very comfortable life. She was a school teacher, 306 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 6: he was a school teacher and a principal. Their two 307 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 6: children were college educated. They had a third income with 308 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 6: their business of the orange grow and they. 309 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 5: Owned all of their properties. 310 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 6: They owned their own business, so it wasn't like they 311 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 6: had not reached what we considered the American dreation, owning 312 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 6: your own property, owning your own business, having two professionals 313 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 6: in the household, having your children both college educated. If 314 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 6: it had not been for the fact that they wanted 315 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 6: this to be an easier transition for people who came 316 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 6: along after them, they could have lived up to the 317 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 6: right old age of whatever. But they made the decision 318 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 6: as a couple and as a family to take on 319 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 6: and pursue this, and that made all the difference. And 320 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 6: I don't know how many people would give up all 321 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 6: of their comforts to just make sure that someone who 322 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 6: they don't even know, who may not even appreciate what 323 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 6: they have done, but they did it anyone that's a 324 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 6: different mindset than most people have. And that's why you 325 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 6: have to look at them in that like they're amazing. 326 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 6: When you see great people, you know in the world, 327 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 6: this is one of the people that you have to 328 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 6: think that their mindset had to be totally way different 329 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 6: from any mindset. 330 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 5: Than we have. 331 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: Now you both have spoke so eloquently about the experience. 332 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 3: You know what it feels like. You know, I can 333 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 3: almost close my eyes and you were talking Sonya when 334 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 3: you were talking in Kashanda, and feel myself on that 335 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 3: property just in a few more words, because it was 336 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 3: so powerful. Can you tell our listeners who would love 337 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 3: to come and visit? You know, for the visitors, what 338 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 3: can they expect the moment they walk in? What do 339 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: they see? What do they learn immediately about the More's 340 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: cultural center When. 341 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 5: A visitor arrived from our property, the first thing they're 342 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 5: gonna always know right away is that when they walk 343 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 5: in is experience right from the start, from the duel, 344 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 5: and it's always something new, a new exhibit, a new movie, 345 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 5: new lectures by different dynamic speakers from around the world, 346 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 5: and new art our lobby in our four year area 347 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 5: is never the same. So even if you come and 348 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,239 Speaker 5: visit us, when you come back, nothing will be the 349 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 5: same in the museum. You know, some museums to pitch 350 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 5: are stays right there for fifty years. Change things. We 351 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 5: do spring cleaning, right, yeah, and so we have events 352 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 5: as well, and so some of our signature events are 353 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 5: something like men on a Mission, Strategies of successful women. 354 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 6: Right. 355 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 5: We have a tea party out at the gazebo where 356 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 5: everyone dress up with pearls and hats and s if 357 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 5: they tea. 358 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: Uh. 359 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 5: We would have an annual car show, the more Collectible 360 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 5: Car Show, so we have a new java of friends 361 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 5: that we never would have met before. That's car enthusiasts, right, 362 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 5: and I mean we're talking about over one hundred classic 363 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 5: collectible cars that come in to our place. So when 364 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 5: people come, what they can expect to learn, not only that, 365 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 5: more importantly is that our visitors they will always leave 366 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 5: with more knowledge, more wisdom, and more things to think about. 367 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 5: So when they walk in inside, they're coming in one way, 368 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 5: but when they walk out outside, hopefully they're going to 369 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 5: be able to impact mankind differently. Because it's something that 370 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 5: was touched, salt or heard from all of their five senses, right. 371 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 5: So yeah, when they visit the more Cultural Center, it's experience. 372 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 6: Because it's perpetually Christmas here. It's perpetually Christmas here. That 373 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 6: spirit still lives on and we refresh every year. You 374 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 6: will get the same tree or the same design every year. 375 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 6: So when you have a perpetual Christmas, you know how 376 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 6: that spirit is infectious and contagious. That's exactly how it 377 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 6: is when people walk onto this land. It is infectious 378 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 6: and contagious. They feel the need to tell the story 379 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 6: to someone or bring someone back. They feel the need 380 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 6: to do something, They feel a call to action, and 381 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 6: that is something that we once we tell them the 382 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 6: story and we tell them all that about the moors, 383 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 6: that is something that we get from everybody. 384 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 5: What can we do to help? What can we do? 385 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 5: How can we support you? What can we. 386 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 6: Do to make sure that this doesn't get lost again? 387 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 6: And that's something that people ask all the time, and 388 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 6: that's our big thing is that we like you to 389 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 6: talk to somebody about it, Come back and bring a friend, 390 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 6: come to our events. You can support us by giving 391 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 6: a donation if you would like. We just want everyone 392 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 6: to know this story. And if you tell a friend 393 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,959 Speaker 6: and they tell a friend, everybody will know. 394 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 5: Yes, like six degrees between a so hey. 395 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: That's right. 396 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: So, with all of this beautiful energy and aloha and 397 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 2: love that you've shared with us today about the Moors, 398 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 2: about their story, and more importantly, about the more cultural center, 399 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: if you could tell us, like, what can young minds 400 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: today learn from the Moors and from learning about their history? 401 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 5: That's a great question. Young minds today can learn what 402 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 5: it means to be active American citizens, right, they can 403 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 5: learn how to recognize injustice. They learn about the transformative 404 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 5: role played by thousands of ordinary individuals, as well as 405 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 5: the importance of organization for collective change. Right. So they're 406 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 5: gonna learn what it means to be civically engaged. They're 407 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 5: gonna learn what it means to be different right in 408 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 5: all aspects of their life, and that it's okay and 409 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 5: it's okay to be different, it's okay to stand out, 410 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 5: it's okay not to fit in. Right. The main aim 411 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 5: of spreading a story and to teach everyone that everyone 412 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 5: deserves equal rights, everyone deserves human rights, everyone deserves to 413 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 5: understand that history is taught and shit so that it 414 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 5: can never be repeated again. That's the takeaway. That's what 415 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 5: it means about sharing this story and preserving this history. 416 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 6: And I always say that what they take away is 417 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 6: that this is American history. This is not black history, 418 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 6: this is not white history. This is American history. And 419 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 6: it took everything that we went through in this country 420 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 6: to get us to where we are today. And we 421 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 6: have to appreciate every aspect, all our pits, all our valleys, 422 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 6: all our peaks and climaxes in order for us to 423 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 6: appreciate what we have today. And although we are not 424 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 6: where we want to be, we are far from where 425 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 6: we were. And so we need to make sure that 426 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 6: we keep living this history and learning it so that 427 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 6: we won't repeat it. But more importantly, so that everybody 428 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 6: feels that they are part of this fabric of America, 429 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 6: that nobody feels like that they were left out. Everybody 430 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 6: had a part in America, and so we need to 431 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 6: really appreciate everybody's contribution and stop making it that it's 432 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 6: one race or one ethnicity when it's multi that made 433 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 6: us and that's what's going to go forward and make 434 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 6: us even greater. And so we need to just think 435 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 6: about making sure we preserve American history and this is 436 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 6: all part of it. 437 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: Thank you, lady, lady, Thank you, pure pure magic. 438 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:50,239 Speaker 5: Thank you. 439 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 3: This week's message of hope and healing begins with an 440 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 3: excerpt from a poem Langston Hughes wrote. When Harry and 441 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 3: Harriet Moore were murdered. This is from the ballot of 442 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 3: Harry T. 443 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: Moore. 444 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 3: Florida means land of flowers. It was on a Christmas 445 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 3: night in the state names for flowers. Men came bearing dynamite. 446 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 3: It could not be in Jesus' name. Beneath the bedroom 447 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 3: floor on Christmas night, the killers hid the bomb for 448 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 3: Harry Moore. When will men, for sake of peace and 449 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 3: for democracy learn no bombs a man can make keep 450 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 3: men from being free? As this, he says, are Harry Moore. 451 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 3: As from the grave, he cries, no bomb can kill 452 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 3: the dreams I hold for freedom never dies. To Harry 453 00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: and Harriet Moore. Onward and upward, Emua, emua. Well, that 454 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 3: is our show for today. 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