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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is

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Speaker 1: hot pursuit. I have been listening to some Grateful Dead.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, did you listen to lit to Cornell?

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Speaker 1: Well, no, I need to get to that. I listened

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Speaker 1: to Live from Mars Hotel.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 1: Is that an okay one?

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Speaker 3: That's a great one. I mean it's an older late

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Speaker 3: sixties concert, right.

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Speaker 1: Or yeah, I think late sixties. I'm waiting into it.

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Speaker 3: So for me, like seventy seven was the year that

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Speaker 3: I really started to like it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay? Is that the Cornell u era? Yeah? Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, great?

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Speaker 3: And there's deep conspiracy theories about the Cornell Show like

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Speaker 3: around what though, so it sounds ridiculous, But there are

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Speaker 3: a lot of people on the internet who think that

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Speaker 3: that show never actually happened and that it was like

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Speaker 3: a CIA mind control experiment.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were.

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Speaker 3: Gonna talk to Tom Wagner today, and a scheduling error

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Speaker 3: means that we're gonna talk to him next week. So

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Speaker 3: I'm not worried about that. We have enough to cover.

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Speaker 3: But this is just to say that for listeners who

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Speaker 3: are like I thought, we're gonna hear from Tom Wagner,

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Speaker 3: who runs Nighthead and they own, at least in some portion,

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Speaker 3: Singer as well as Revology hurts the Yoda Racing team

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Speaker 3: like a lot of really cool car related stuff. So

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Speaker 3: he's gonna be awesome and we're gonna still have him

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Speaker 3: next week. But we have enough to talk about otherwise.

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Speaker 3: Because you just came back from Sevilla. I think they're

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Speaker 3: still an embargo right on the portrait.

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Speaker 1: Yes, actually turns out it was Malaga and Marbella. Oh nice.

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Speaker 1: But yes, the embargo lifts July ninth, right.

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Speaker 3: But the interesting thing to me is that so the

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Speaker 3: new nine to eleven GTS is a hybrid, yes, and

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Speaker 1: Like we can talk about We could talk about the

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Speaker 1: car and the engineering and everything. I just can't give

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Speaker 1: you any driving impressions other than to say that a

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Speaker 1: scari circuit that is out there. This private track we're on,

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Speaker 1: I love it. It's like my new favorite track. Have

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Speaker 2: Matter? I have ridden the Ducati on that track?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 1: It must be. I mean this track is long. It's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awesome, and to be honest, Spain is like

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Speaker 3: because I am driving a hybrid sports car right now.

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Speaker 3: I think it's fair to say supercar. I'm driving the

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Speaker 3: Corvette Eray. Why wouldn't that be fair?

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Speaker 1: It's I mean, what's the horsepower on the Eray.

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Speaker 3: Six hundred and fifty horse power? In what world is

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Speaker 3: That's exactly my point, right this, this Corvette, the E Ray,

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Speaker 1: Yes, Now we we should really take some time to

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Speaker 3: And which would have been a great idea because which

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Speaker 3: you're driving it, I'm driving it. Then we get on

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Speaker 1: And apparently there was a recall associated with the E

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Speaker 3: the car. But that's the kind of thing for which

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Speaker 1: You know, true, true, true, I would say it. In

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Speaker 1: I've had cars not delivered because somebody else crashed them,

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Speaker 1: But I would and then also we should we should

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Speaker 1: I just can't, back to your earlier appointment, I can't

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Speaker 3: I So look, I'm a muscle car fan, right, and

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Speaker 3: In terms of the Corvette being a supercar, I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: I will say that the E Ray I'm driving now

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Speaker 1: But you can be driving out.

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Speaker 3: You could be driving out six eighty four and realize

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Speaker 3: The handling is amazing, and because it's four wheel drive,

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I will say when they I in Hollywood

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Speaker 1: the Corvette at this point can compete against some supercars.

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Speaker 3: The motor is behind you now instead of in front

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Speaker 1: There's no denying it's It's exterior styling is really cool.

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Speaker 1: You know that it's an ego, it's stupid, it's shallow.

440
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 3: But well, for me, it's almost an ego thing the

441
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 3: opposite direction. I think, let me drive the base trim

442
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 3: because then it looks like I don't even care.

443
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool.

444
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 3: I don't need to stretch up to the highest trim

445
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 3: level because I'm that confident in myself that I can

446
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 3: drive the base trim and still pull it off.

447
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: So would you buy a Cayman.

448
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 3: I wouldn't previously have bought a Cayman, and I've never

449
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 3: driven a Cayman. I've spent my entire Portia life has

450
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 3: been in nine to eleven's or SUVs, and I've always

451
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 3: eschewed the turbos and the GT cars because I don't

452
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 3: The turbo for me is just looks like you're sixty

453
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 3: five years old and you know, and the GT cars

454
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 3: for me, they're too stiff. I like a more comfortable ride,

455
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: so I've always thought the GTS was the sweet spot,

456
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 3: but well everyone's been telling me lately that the Cayman

457
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 3: is the one to have.

458
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 1: The reason why I ask is because anytime you go

459
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: to the track, I mean literally this week, I was

460
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 1: talking with your Bergmeister, and you know, anytime you ask

461
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: those professional drivers what they like and what's fun, and

462
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: you know what they're driving, they all say, the Cayman

463
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: is so much fun. It's so it's very predictable, it's

464
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: very planted, it's so balanced, and actually you can have

465
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 1: as much fun or more driving a Cayman as you

466
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: can a nine to eleven. The thing is, you know,

467
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's seen as not as you know,

468
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: it's not the full on it's not the adult, it's

469
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: not the it's also not.

470
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 3: The right tool for my job, right. I want a

471
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 3: GT car. I want to commute and in a car

472
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 3: that's fast and handles well, you know, in the case

473
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 3: of a nine to eleven. But I'm not going to

474
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 3: the track in a car. If I'm going to go

475
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 3: to the track, it's on a motorcycle.

476
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: Your reticence about the Cayman is not necessarily about its image.

477
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 3: No definitely that too. It's all of the above. It's

478
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: although late I think that's changed lately. Look, Matt Farrah

479
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 3: has got this Cayman whatever it is, the g T

480
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 3: four or whatever, and talks about it all the time,

481
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 3: and he suited it up somehow and made it amazing.

482
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 3: And I think more and more people are choosing the

483
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,719
Speaker 3: Cayman over the nine to eleven, and it's no longer

484
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 3: so I don't think it suffers any more from that

485
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: the image that it has that the box did originally.

486
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, for me, it's that too. Also, I'm not

487
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 3: tracking it. I want, you know, a little bit more room. Sure,

488
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 3: but if I were going to buy a purposeful, a

489
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: purposeful track car or sports car, I would probably go

490
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: the Cayman. Still for the same price I could get

491
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: the Corvette. And it's a little bit more muscle, it's

492
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 3: a little bit more brutal, it's a little bit more

493
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 3: mere cylinders.

494
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: Yes, all of the above.

495
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 3: Oh, one more thing I wanted to say on the

496
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 3: subject to these hybrids, and I've told you this a

497
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: million times, but I am excited for a future in

498
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 3: which hot rodders and resto matters can take these hybrid

499
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 3: vehicles and probably evs as well, but hybrid more fun

500
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 3: because it as the engine as well can take these

501
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 3: They both have one point nine kilowad hour batteries, right, yeah,

502
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 3: these two hybrids. And at some point, and that's because

503
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: the size, they want it to be small, they want

504
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 3: it to weigh less, and so they put a little

505
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 3: battery in it to drive a little electric motor at

506
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: the front or in the transmission or whatever the layout is.

507
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: Because you're constantly fighting weight, right with electric.

508
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: But in twenty years or in thirty years, you're going

509
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 3: to be able to put a hummer sized two hundred

510
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 3: ten kilowad hour battery in the same package as the

511
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: one point nine kilood because you know, it's like Moore's law,

512
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: but with batteries. So someday someone's going to buy an

513
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: old E Ray, you know, a thirty year old E

514
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 3: Ray and twenty sixty and put like a flux capacitator

515
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: in front and just upgrade the electric motor and you're

516
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 3: going to have one thousand electric horse power up front,

517
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: and you're still going to have the rattle on hum

518
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 3: of the big V eight in the back.

519
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's I hear what you're saying, my question

520
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: is will the components and just the bearings and the

521
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: structure of the vehicle at that point be able to

522
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: withstand the forces that are now, you know, exponentially more stronger,

523
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: more devastating with additional power.

524
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure you're gonna have to upgrade the

525
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: suspension and maybe the axles and the drive shaft as well.

526
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 3: But that's what you have to do. If like what Singer.

527
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: When Singer takes out a three leader or a three

528
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 3: point two from a nine to six four and puts

529
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: in a you know, a big three point eight leader

530
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 3: or a four leader flat six, they they're adding they're

531
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: doubling the horse power to what the vehicle originally was

532
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: needed to a stand And I'm sure that they're upgrading

533
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 3: the other drive train components that they need to as well.

534
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: You'd have to and maybe you'll have to do that

535
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 3: someday too. But I think that in the layout of

536
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: the in the case of the Corvette, the layout makes

537
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 3: it much simpler to hot rod in the future because

538
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 3: you have the electric motor just driving the front axle,

539
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: as opposed to the Porsche, which has all this technological

540
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: wizard reach.

541
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 2: I don't even herbo. I don't even know how.

542
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: It's got it lost one turbo charger. It's now got

543
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: the single turbo charger, which is a third bigger, and

544
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: now it's got an e turbo attached to the turbo

545
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: an emotor. I think they're coming it attached to the

546
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: turbo charger. They've dropped the engine down like one hundred

547
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: and ten millimeters so they have more room to do

548
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: the electric stuff up top. I mean, it's a whole

549
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,239
Speaker 1: apparatus that sounds like it would be more complicated if

550
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: you're swapping things out in fifty years.

551
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

552
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: So, so we'll hear more about your driving impressions for

553
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: the nine to eleven next week or the week after.

554
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, the week of July ninth week.

555
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 3: But I just think the simplicity in the Eray, the

556
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 3: American simplicity in the Corvette, gives it another leg up.

557
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: Can I just tell you a story about my hommer

558
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: as well.

559
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: I feel like, look, all I know is I'm in Spain.

560
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: It got like jet lagged at some point in the

561
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: middle of the night, and I get a text from

562
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: you that is of your baby in a carrier on

563
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: the floor. I don't know what you call me. I

564
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: don't have kids, but in some sort of carry car seat,

565
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: just a car seat, okay, a car seat on the floor,

566
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: and she's sticking her tongue out. She is the cutest face,

567
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: and you just basically say you're stranded. Yes, all right,

568
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: so what happened?

569
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: So I will preface this because all the EV lovers

570
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: they say that they can navigate the infrastructure and charging

571
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 3: an EV isn't hard and you'll never get stranded if

572
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 3: you're a smart person.

573
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: And I'll just preface this by saying, I'm an idiot.

574
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: And I also sometimes run out of gas, like on

575
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: a pretty regular basis.

576
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: Oh, you're one of those people.

577
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh Matt, I'm like always calling my way.

578
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: Oh I you know, especially in motorcycles because a lot

579
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: of times motorcycles don't have a gas caet.

580
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that also gives me anxiety.

581
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: But I run out of gas on a pretty but

582
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: you and magnus, But the thing is in a gas

583
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: car or like in a motorcycle, usually I can push

584
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: it to a gas station or in a car. I've

585
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: run out of gas in my like rafter before, and

586
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: it's no problem to get an uber to a gas

587
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: station and then get a can of gas and bring

588
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: it back Like it's an annoying but I'm used to

589
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: my idiocy, so it doesn't bother me as much.

590
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: Can I just put a pin in this and ask

591
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: really quick, what are you thinking when you see the

592
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: gauge start to drop below eat? What's your thought?

593
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: Just like it's not real or what thinking? Like I

594
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 2: can make it worse?

595
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: Worst is in the Challenger because and also I go

596
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: out to parties like way out.

597
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: In the in the hills, in the sticks.

598
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: And I'll be coming home from a I'll be headed there,

599
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: like I'm going up to like Massachusetts, right to the

600
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: middle of nowhere, and I'll notice that the fuel light

601
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: went on, but i want to get to the party

602
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: and see my friends, and I'm like, I'll just fill

603
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: up after and then I'm leaving at like three o'clock

604
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: in the morning, I have forgotten and gas stations closed,

605
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: and I'm like what Anyway, So I'm driving the Hummer

606
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: back to Westchester from New York. I'm st fuck in

607
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: traffic and I see that I only have like thirty miles.

608
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: Of range left.

609
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: Oh, instant ulser for me, right, instant.

610
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: But I'm I don't care that much, and I'm thinking, like, okay,

611
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: thirty miles of range, but I'm only like fifteen miles

612
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: away from my house. I'll make it no problem. And indeed,

613
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: as I pull into my driveway, the Hummer goes into

614
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 3: limp mode, so it no longer accelerates as quickly to

615
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 3: save battery. It says, hey, dude, you only have twelve

616
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: miles left on this battery. And I'm like, no problem.

617
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: I got a supercharger station right down the street, or

618
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: at least high speed charger right down the street from me.

619
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 3: I'll just pull in, make myself a peanut butter and

620
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: jelly sandwich, and grab my kid and take her down

621
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: to the charger because I know it's gonna.

622
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: Take a few hours with this big battery, and.

623
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hang out with her, give her a bottle whatever.

624
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 3: She's six months old. So I drive down Central Avenue

625
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: after I get my stuff and my baby.

626
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: This how many miles were stated left?

627
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: It said I had twelve miles left, and then how

628
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: far the high speed charger is?

629
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: Like four miles away?

630
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, And and I think it's not going to

631
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: be a problem.

632
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: Mode lets you drive mode.

633
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: It just it just depletes your acceleration. You can still drive,

634
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: I think faster.

635
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

636
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: Forty is as fast as I was going, and I

637
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: was getting there quickly because that hummer is so fast. Anyway,

638
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: that thing weighs almost ten thousand pounds and does zero

639
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: to sixty and three and a half.

640
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: It's super fun.

641
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: It's dangerous fun because I think the front tires lift

642
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 3: off the ground.

643
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: A little too much.

644
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: But anyway, so I'm I'm totally confident driving up Central

645
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: Avenue if anybody knows.

646
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 2: Like Westchester Scarsdale.

647
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: There's a lot of stores and strip malls the whole way.

648
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: And I get to the shake shack and the supercharger

649
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: station has just past that. I pull on the in

650
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: the parking lot and then I see like yellow police

651
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: tape wrapped around all of the chargers and I'm like,

652
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: oh no, they're all broken. And I look down to

653
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 3: see how much range I have and it says zero miles,

654
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: zero percent, and I'm nightmare.

655
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

656
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: Well, it's also it's ninety two degrees outside and I've

657
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: got mine and you've got a baby, six month old baby,

658
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: so I don't need the car.

659
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: Just to work.

660
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: I need the AC to stay on right this it

661
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: is pretty bad. And then I remember, Okay, there's a

662
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: Chevy dealer four miles back the other direction, and they

663
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: must have a charger, and at the very least if

664
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: they don't, it's the manufacturer. It's the same you know brand,

665
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: so at least they'll whole turn you away exactly luckily

666
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: on the way back, and I'm scared the whole time.

667
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: Right are you driving? The gauge says.

668
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: Zero, says zero, and you're still.

669
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: And I'm still driving back to the four miles away

670
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: Chevy dealer. I see a Hundai dealer like halfway, and

671
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: I noticed that they had a charger, so I turn

672
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: in and unfortunately it's being used and it's blocked. But

673
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: this is where the baby comes in as my advantage.

674
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: So I get out of the hummer, I pull the

675
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: whole car seat out, and I'm carrying this infant, and

676
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey.

677
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: Guys, do you think you could possibly move those cars

678
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: and let me charge up.

679
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 3: I'm on Ziero and they were super nice at the

680
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: Hyundai place.

681
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: They're not monsters.

682
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: I might buy a Hyundai now. And they let me

683
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: charge up. But the thing is, so I was okay,

684
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: and I was never that worried.

685
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: How long did you have to charge?

686
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: So I thinking of the baby, right, I can't charge

687
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: for two hours because the baby's like not doesn't want

688
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: to be in the car seat.

689
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: I'm trying to make it as quick as I can.

690
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: After over an hour, I had added one hundred miles

691
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: of range over an hour. Now, to be fair, it

692
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: was only giving me like fifty six fifty seven kilowatts

693
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: at a time whatever. I'm not sure what those numbers mean,

694
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: but I know that you can get up to one

695
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty. So it wasn't as fast as it

696
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: could have been. But that thing takes forever to charge up, like.

697
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also we know that one hundred miles on

698
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: the gauge is not one hundred real world.

699
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: Mile, true, But you know what, I got used to

700
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: that pretty quickly.

701
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: I'm you know that if you're on the highway and

702
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 3: giving it a ton of gas, one hundred miles is

703
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: really like seventy or sixty. But you also know that

704
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: if you're in the city and going stoplight to stop light,

705
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: then one hundred miles is like one hundred and ten.

706
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, but it's kind of gaslighting. Gaslighting on

707
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: the point part of the car. I feel like you,

708
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: you know, it just says numbers and you really can't

709
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: trust it. You just can't trust it.

710
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean i'd be to a certain extent. I

711
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: think the same is true of a gasoline engine. It

712
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: depends on how you drive it. When I look and

713
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: see that I have, you know, thirty miles left in

714
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 3: my Challenger, and I'm like doing burnouts, you know, and

715
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 3: launch control the whole time I realize that I'm not

716
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: getting thirty miles out of it.

717
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: The thing about a gasoline engine is it never promises

718
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: a specific amount of miles, so I never feel like

719
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: it misleads me. It's it gives me a general indication,

720
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: and then it's on me and for me. If that

721
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: gauge gets lower than half, I'm putting more gas in.

722
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm someone that I need that gauge to feel safe,

723
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: secure and confident. I need my gas tank to be

724
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: like half full, at least preferably more.

725
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: See. If I were more like you, I wouldn't run

726
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 2: out of gas.

727
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: No, I just oh, it's so annoying, it's so needless.

728
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're okay, because luckily Hyundai came to the rescue.

729
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: Well, and you know the problem for me, the problem

730
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 3: is my wife.

731
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: Well, no, I can't. I know she's going to listen

732
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: to this and I'm going to have to take up

733
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: for her because I don't think that's a great sentence.

734
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: I know that she's always there to come to my rescue,

735
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: and she, like you, is a very conservative. It enables

736
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: she enables me because I know that if I ever

737
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: get stuck, I can call her up and she'll come

738
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: and get me.

739
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: And wow, maybe she should not come and get you

740
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: to teach you a lesson. That's one of these days.

741
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 1: You know, she might be busy at pilates and unable

742
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: to exit the class as long.

743
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: As I have the baby in the back.

744
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, and is she any mother?

745
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: All right?

746
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: So anyway, the Hummer, I still loved it.

747
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: By the way, I was gonna say, did it sour

748
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: you on the Hummer? Now?

749
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: Not at all? Because I knew it was totally my fault. Okay,

750
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: it does, though.

751
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: You do have to, you know, be thinking about it

752
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: in advance.

753
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: Charging. Where am I going to charge you? You can't

754
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: let it get down to thirty miles.

755
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: One.

756
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 3: I don't.

757
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: I feel like I have so many other things that

758
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. I don't want that to be one

759
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: more thing that I have to plan in my day.

760
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: I The other thing is people like charge. The charging

761
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: infrastructure does need to improve. You know, I can park

762
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 3: I can park it a lot across the street that

763
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: has I think it's even called like plug power or something.

764
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: And they only have like a level one charger, like

765
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 3: just like plugging it into my house. So and they

766
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: charged me twenty dollars a day and it only adds like,

767
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 3: you know, fourteen miles.

768
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: Like basically plugging in a toaster.

769
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: I think it'll get better. I think it'll get better.

770
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: And I and the Hummer I just love. I love

771
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: the design, I love the bigness of it.

772
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: If I can get trump.

773
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: Of it, yeah, yeah, I don't know if it's going

774
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: to get better, Matt. I mean, EV sales are really

775
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: taking a hit, that's true. They're all political.

776
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: Now, and I might like I do like it, though,

777
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: better than most of the other EV truck offerings. As

778
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 3: I said, I'd prefer a Hummer to a Tesla cyber truck. Yes,

779
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: I recall, and I think I would prefer it to

780
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: a traditional truck, that is to say, like a Silverado

781
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: or an F one fifty that's electrified.

782
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: What about in theory the electric Escalade. I know that's

783
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: not a pickup, but it's something also big.

784
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: I think I'd rather have the Escalade for sure, you know,

785
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: because it's going to be more luxurious. Yes, that's the

786
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: point of the Escalade. It's not supposed to be a

787
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: utilitarian vehicle, which the Hummer is supposed to be. And

788
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: the best thing about the Hummer, other than the monstrous

789
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: battery and big electric motors, is the rear wheel steering.

790
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool.

791
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: Now that is optional on a seat on Silverado and

792
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 3: Sierra are going to have rear wheel steering as well. Okay,

793
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: and I'm you know nine to eleven is the one

794
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: you're used to that has you know, you can take

795
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 3: that box.

796
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: I realize now I've gotten in cars that don't have it,

797
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: and I'm not as great a driver as I thought.

798
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: It is certainly noticeable, like you know that you have.

799
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: I know, but uh, the only tru.

800
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: So I would love the Escalade. You know, I haven't

801
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 2: driven it yet. I don't think anyone has. I haven't

802
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: seen any reviews.

803
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone has. Yeah, I keep I keep

804
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: asking them about it.

805
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: I know I'll be pumped when that thing comes out

806
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 3: because I think I would rather have that than like

807
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: a range Rover. Yeah, I do too, but the but

808
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: I have never driven a Riviant and that's my big

809
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 3: question mark, because I would. I love the way they look.

810
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: The design is so cool. They have massive power. You

811
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: can put a motor on each wheel, so it's like,

812
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 3: you know, two limited slip differentials, and and.

813
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: The tech looks real good.

814
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: Although I just recently read that even the updated Rivian

815
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: doesn't have Apple Car Play.

816
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm supposed to get the new second

817
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: generation Rivian SUV at the end of July, and uh,

818
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: that's something I guess i'll look for. I didn't. I

819
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: hadn't heard that.

820
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's or Android Auto or whatever they call Android's

821
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: version of Apple Cars. They don't have that stuff, and

822
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: I'm guessing it's because they think, hey, we can do

823
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: it better. But that kind of hubris isn't necessary and

824
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: nobody ever does it better than Apple, So like, why

825
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 3: wouldn't they just have Apple Car Play?

826
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, Rivian is a company that

827
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: I think really runs itself thinking that it's a tech

828
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: company not an automotive company. And there's and I agree,

829
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: I think that's not It doesn't give them an advantage

830
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: when they're actually going up against automakers. I mean, should

831
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 1: we talk about this VW investment in Rivian?

832
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, that was the massive news of the week.

833
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the massive news of the week. And

834
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's been really interesting because Rivian has really

835
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: been losing, you know, forty thousand dollars per vehicle. It's

836
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: just been really going downhill.

837
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: And when I see that, by the way, Hannah, it

838
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 3: makes me want to buy one, because it feels like

839
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: because they're giving you forty thousand off. Basically, they're like,

840
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 3: we'll make this vehicle for one hundred and forty grand

841
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 3: and we'll sell it to you for one hundred and one.

842
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'll take that, you know.

843
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm sure you will have lots of options

844
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: to buy one, and hopefully you'll get in one to

845
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: drive and compare it against all of your other EV trucks.

846
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: I remember thinking that it was it was decent when

847
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: I drove the R one T. I haven't driven the

848
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: sub yet, like I said, I'm supposed to get one

849
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: in a few weeks. But yeah, this news that VW

850
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: is going to invest five billion dollars into Rivian, I

851
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: think mostly as a way to sort of catch up

852
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: with Tesla. This is really interesting because it's basically giving

853
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: Rivian a lifeline.

854
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: I mean it's also interesting because Volkswagen has been like

855
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: a hot mess in terms of blowing billions and billions

856
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 3: of dollars on electric vehicle and digitalization investments. I mean

857
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 3: they have slated investments of more than one hundred billion

858
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: dollars between I think twenty twenty three and twenty twenty eight,

859
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: so a five year period one hundred billion dollars on

860
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: electric vehicles and digitalization. So instead of blowing all that

861
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: cash now they're like, oh wait, yeah, we could just

862
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 3: spend one twentieth of that and get Like I think

863
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 3: Rivian has great brand equity. Even if they only make

864
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 3: fifty seven thousand cars a year, people think, oh cool,

865
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: there's a Rivian, you know, and everybody thinks R. J.

866
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 3: Scarrange is like a genius who just got in trouble

867
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: because of the supply chain problems we had from the

868
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: pandemic at least that's how I sort of view it.

869
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: And they could just rebody an R one T or

870
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: and R one S and there's your scout. The point

871
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 3: is they're just getting someone else's incredible work for five

872
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: billion dollars when they're already blowing one hundred billion. Like

873
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 3: it looks like a great deal to me.

874
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: Now.

875
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Speaker 3: The problem is the partnerships don't last without easy well.

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Speaker 1: Two things for sure, Because we do know that Rivian

877
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: has tried to do EVS with Ford that didn't work out.

878
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: Mercedes they wanted to make a deal.

879
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: With Mercedes to build vans, which also didn't work out.

880
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: VW has had its own investments I think in RGO

881
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: AI that didn't work out.

882
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,959
Speaker 2: Yep, So they have x Pang.

883
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Speaker 1: You know what's different now? And the bigger question for

884
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: me is why hasn't VW, with all of its might,

885
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: been able to figure out EV's.

886
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 2: I don't get that either. I don't get it either.

887
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: Like think about VW has Folkswagen, Audi, Scota, Portia, Bugatti.

888
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: They've ben got now too.

889
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lamborghini. I mean they have a million brands. I

890
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: think it's actually ten to twelve brands, and I can't

891
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: think of one good EV Now you could say, Now,

892
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 3: you could say the Portia Macan and I see car

893
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 3: and driver.

894
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: Has a rank.

895
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: You don't like the Tacan.

896
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: Uh, Okay, that's true. The Tacan and Audi also sorry,

897
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: Audi has therons.

898
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: I think solid.

899
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: They're solid, but they're like not Tesla killers, right. I mean,

900
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 3: you could say they performed better than Tesla's, but they don't.

901
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: Have the range.

902
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: There's something about the EV nut that the Volkswagen Group

903
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 3: can't crack.

904
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really weird. I don't get it. I don't

905
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: get it, and I and I'm like, what are they

906
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: doing with Rimac? You know, I know they're building Bugatti's

907
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: and they're sourcing Peninferina batistas, But what is being taken

908
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: from that partnership too? Because Rimak does electric vehicle propulsion

909
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: as well.

910
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 3: I guess their strategy is like, guys, let's spend as

911
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 3: much money as we possibly can on our own, plus

912
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: let's make these huge partnerships with all of the other

913
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: small companies that are doing it as well, and then

914
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: it's like we're gonna hit something, right shown.

915
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: View the shotgun approach for sure, and maybe you know,

916
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: they just acquire everything, so that really it is Tesla

917
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: against the world, you know, and maybe that's an advantage

918
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: in the end.

919
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: I'm still excited to see what they can do. I

920
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: think it's a pretty I mean, I'm a glass half

921
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: full kind of person.

922
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Speaker 1: So obviously, yeah, you're you're gasoline uh situations.

923
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: All right, I guess that's all we had to talk

924
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Speaker 3: about for this week, and I'm really looking forward still

925
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Speaker 3: to our conversation with Tom Wagner next week. Both of

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Speaker 3: us have listened to Barry Ridholt's Master's and.

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Speaker 1: Business Breadcast interview. Great, amazing, Yeah, really interesting. I learned

928
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: so much. So we're not going to rehash any of

929
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: that stuff with Tom. We're gonna ask him new questions.

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00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: Right, We're gonna ask about singer. Yeah, We're gonna ask

931
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Speaker 2: about I care about Rebel.

932
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll ask if he Yeah, because Barry said he

933
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 3: thinks that ev is a superior propulsion system to ice,

934
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: and I was like.

935
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: What, yuh that leaves me.

936
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Speaker 3: He was talking about like dollar to horsepower basically, you know,

937
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 3: saying like you can be much faster, which you know,

938
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Speaker 3: if you're drag racing people at the stop late. From

939
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Speaker 3: that point of view, it's true.

940
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Speaker 1: I guess sure, instant torque is something, but it's not everything.

941
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 3: It's not everything, it's not everything, So definitely tune in

942
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 3: for that next week and then I'm just excited also

943
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 3: to hear more about your take on the Z six

944
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 3: because me too. I mean, to me, that's a supercar

945
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: for sure.

946
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Speaker 1: And it's a super car.

947
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Speaker 2: I'm Matt Millard and

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Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg