WEBVTT - Fakers, Fraudsters and Phonies: Everything's A Lie Now!

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Burnett. Oh yeah, what's up? Well? I was just

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in here talking to the interns, going do you

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<v Speaker 2>think she's gonna show up today? And all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden you breeze in and everyone's all happy to see Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I go, you know what, it's a beautiful day.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not the heat. It's the pepperoni. That's what

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<v Speaker 3>we like to say in the biz.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I ate my pepperoni pizza in the studio.

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<v Speaker 2>Get used to this, like.

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<v Speaker 3>A nineteen eighties round table.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, and they're kind of good. The red plastic

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<v Speaker 2>cups are by my touch to make it feel authentico.

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<v Speaker 3>It does. It does a picture of root beer, please.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a question for you. Yeah, along with your

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<v Speaker 2>picture of root beer? Do you know what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>You sure do? I sure do. This isn't ridiculous. Independent

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<v Speaker 3>baseball leagues.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah. I love them because.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not affiliated with MLB, which I'm not a fan

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<v Speaker 3>of these days.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, because you're as.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but they're more fun. It's like more immediate, authentic baseball,

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<v Speaker 3>and so the you know, there's like the Savannah Bananas

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<v Speaker 3>are part of that coastal league. It's like a collegiate

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<v Speaker 3>league Oakland Ballers or Pioneer League. And then there's this team,

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<v Speaker 3>the uh Madison Mallards.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know them, I'm assuming Madison.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't. Yeah, I wasn't familiar with their game. And

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<v Speaker 3>then a bunch of a bunch of rude dudes were.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, hey, look at this.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we are Oh so it's not a mashupdes but

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<v Speaker 3>it is a lot it's similar. It's one of those

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<v Speaker 3>weird promotions.

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<v Speaker 2>You hook me and you're no.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Madison Mallards for their July eighteenth game had

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<v Speaker 3>this thing where if you buy a ticket and you

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<v Speaker 3>enter in this promo code for twenty one dollars for

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<v Speaker 3>a grand stand ticket or forty eight dollars for the

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<v Speaker 3>bush light duck blind okay section the duck line, you

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<v Speaker 3>can get this promotion thing. So you know, with like

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<v Speaker 3>the a's used to get like bubble heads or little

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<v Speaker 3>mini bat night not a good idea, like little blankets,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, garbage stuff anyway. Yeah, so the Mallards

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<v Speaker 3>they're giving away a Wiener wallet and it's a belt

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<v Speaker 3>with a holster on it where you put.

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<v Speaker 2>A hot dog alster like a gun on the side.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a picture. We'll have them put that on Instagram

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<v Speaker 3>for it. And so yeah, it's like on the side

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<v Speaker 3>where you it looks like a gun holster, but you

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<v Speaker 3>put a hot dog in there, and then there's a

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<v Speaker 3>little pouch next to it for your squeezes of ketchup

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<v Speaker 3>mustard whatever. Yeah, so it has an expandable belt because

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<v Speaker 3>they said it fits no matter how many wieners you

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<v Speaker 3>put down. They there's the condiment pouch, blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 3>And so they said, what can we use it for?

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<v Speaker 3>And then I'm glad you asked and they have like

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<v Speaker 3>an f a Q wiener wallets are perfect for And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to read you the list please. Times when

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<v Speaker 3>you want to wear your worst wu rs apostrophe, don't

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<v Speaker 3>when you got to have another red hot at the ready,

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<v Speaker 3>When you need a place to park your pork sword,

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<v Speaker 3>oh god, see yeah, if you need a holster for

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<v Speaker 3>your hot dog, when you need to tuck away your

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<v Speaker 3>tube steak, if you're looking for a carrier for your coney,

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<v Speaker 3>if you feel like a Frankfurt or fashionista, when you

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<v Speaker 3>got to gather your grease missiles when you're out of

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<v Speaker 3>places to grip your glizzies, and when you want a

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<v Speaker 3>pocket full of pigs in a blanket.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you want to keep that foot long on you,

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<v Speaker 2>you keep.

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<v Speaker 3>That thing on you. Yeah, so that's what they have.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're in that area, try and score a ticket

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<v Speaker 3>that you can't buy them. It's a promotion attached to

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<v Speaker 3>the ticket. And uh yeah, wiener wallet.

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<v Speaker 2>You cased meats.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's kind of why I brought it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, thank you. If you're looking out for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Every day, just stay strapped exactly. Well, I'll give you that.

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<v Speaker 2>That is ridiculous, and thank you for your dudes for

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<v Speaker 2>not letting that be a full mash up. Ely, Well, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>I got one for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. I have a modern version of the children's cautionary

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<v Speaker 2>tale Peter and the wolf kind of looks at the table.

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<v Speaker 3>Aolved not in this.

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<v Speaker 2>But pretend there are just imagine them, so you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter claims he was attacked by an unseen wolf. Paul

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<v Speaker 2>Village is an uproar, but the wolf claims he was framed.

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<v Speaker 2>This always happened after a brief investigation. Please claim Peter

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<v Speaker 2>did it for clout or perhaps a quick payout. This

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<v Speaker 2>is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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<v Speaker 2>heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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<v Speaker 2>and one hundred percent ridiculous. Yes, Oh, Elizabeth Saren. You

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<v Speaker 2>are a woman with many interests. Sure, some of them

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<v Speaker 2>we often touch upon on this show. Yeah, such as

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<v Speaker 2>your love of gardening, sure, your love of RuPaul's Drag Race,

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<v Speaker 2>British TV shows, Scottish detective novels, and of course, for

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<v Speaker 2>longtime listeners, your love of trains. Sure. But we also

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<v Speaker 2>have touched upon your love of bears.

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<v Speaker 3>I do love bears like.

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<v Speaker 2>You, legit love Alaska's Fat Bear. We do. You talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this in an episode on the Fat Bear Week

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<v Speaker 2>vote rigging scandal. Correct, now, I did. You've often told

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<v Speaker 2>me that you would like to one day hug a bear.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love to hug a bear nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is why I thought of you, And I also

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<v Speaker 2>thought you might remember this story. So when I was

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<v Speaker 2>reading it, I thought of you, and I thought, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, Lizbeth might remember this. Over in China, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a story about a sun bear at a Chinese zoo.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, there's like kind of light brown. Yeah, sun bear.

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<v Speaker 2>Now do you remember this news story from twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three about a fake bear that was in an exhibit

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<v Speaker 2>at a Chinese zoo in eastern Hong Shiao City.

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<v Speaker 3>I have vague recollection.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, lay it on me. When folks caught sight of

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<v Speaker 2>videos circulating online, people were convinced that the alleged sun

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<v Speaker 2>bear in a Chinese zoo is actually a man in

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<v Speaker 2>a bear suit right now, According to the Associated Foreign

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<v Speaker 2>Press back in twenty twenty three and I quote, a

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese zoo has been forced to deny that its sunbear

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<v Speaker 2>is actually a human in a costume after a video

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<v Speaker 2>of one standing on a tined legs raised online accusations

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<v Speaker 2>of a furry impostor. Now, in case you don't quite

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<v Speaker 2>recall what the alleged sun bear looks like, here is

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<v Speaker 2>an image of the suspected man in a bear costume.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that does look like a dude in like he's

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<v Speaker 3>got his belly out, looks like his hands are on

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<v Speaker 3>his lips. I don't know. I'm not wearing my glasses

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<v Speaker 3>and you're holding that up and I'm doing my best.

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<v Speaker 2>Also noticed like the wrinkles around his posterior. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of looks like, you know, is is that a

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<v Speaker 2>bear suit? Because of how it just droops around, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Missing judge, that's I see. You're doing a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>body shaming for that bear.

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<v Speaker 2>You should have more thickness to him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I got to ask you, and you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to answer right away. I'll give you more time on this,

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<v Speaker 2>And so what's your call? Is this a real sun

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<v Speaker 2>Bear or is it a person in a bear costume?

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<v Speaker 3>Saren? I think I need more information.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you do too. It's debatable. I mean, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at the loose, wrinkled skin and the

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<v Speaker 2>way it sort of bunches oddly around the bear's butt,

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<v Speaker 2>as I've pointed out, it's you'd suspect, right, but this

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<v Speaker 2>could easily be like a person in a bear costume,

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<v Speaker 2>But it could just as easily be an actual sun Bear.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, despite all the online overnight bear experts in their

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<v Speaker 2>opinions that it was not a real bear and instead

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<v Speaker 2>it was a pathetic hoax that was giving fake bear,

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<v Speaker 2>officials at the Zoo insisted at the sun Bear was

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<v Speaker 2>a real, actual factual Bear the Bear debate crossed the seas,

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually The New York Times had to weigh in

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<v Speaker 2>on whether or not it was a real sun bear

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<v Speaker 2>or a person in a bear suit. As The New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times reported quote. The confusion appeared to begin in

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<v Speaker 2>late July when a video surfaced on the Chinese social

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<v Speaker 2>media site Webo of a sunbear named Angela standing on

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<v Speaker 2>a rock and its zoo enclosure with ramrod posture on

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<v Speaker 2>its hind legs. Okay, so now we got a name

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<v Speaker 2>Angela Angela.

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<v Speaker 3>That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's the truth. Is Angela the Sunbear reel or

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<v Speaker 2>is Angela more like a college mascot? Well, folks in

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<v Speaker 2>China had good reason to doubt that Angela the sun

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<v Speaker 2>Bear was real. I mean, there have been multiple zoo

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<v Speaker 2>hoaxes in China reported in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>Could they could be saying, yeah, it's a bear, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's really like a very large hairy man inside the costume,

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<v Speaker 3>so technically it's a bear.

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<v Speaker 2>In a costume. They're not lying your heads had now.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in twenty thirteen, there was a zoo in the

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<v Speaker 2>Hanan Province in China that claimed to have an African

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<v Speaker 2>lion on display, but it turns out the purported lion

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<v Speaker 2>was actually a Tibetan mastiff.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, they kind of do a click lions. Did they

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<v Speaker 3>have like a wig on it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they kind of like, you know, they cut the

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<v Speaker 2>main to look a little bit. Yeah. So at the

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<v Speaker 2>BBC report at the time quote Chinese media reports said

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<v Speaker 2>the zoo had replaced its genuine lion with a Tibetan

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<v Speaker 2>mastiff dog. A zoo official and Hanan province said the dog,

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<v Speaker 2>owned by one of the workers, was put in the

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<v Speaker 2>cage when the real lion was sent away to a

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<v Speaker 2>breeding center. Outraged visitors to the zoo and lu Ouhu

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<v Speaker 2>City said they had been cheated.

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<v Speaker 3>That those are those dogs. I've seen the videos of

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<v Speaker 3>those dogs getting grooms.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but they had just their first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>they're normal, enormous. It is one of the biggest dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the hair situation is just crazy. See I

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<v Speaker 3>can see if you shave down the body and left

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<v Speaker 3>the top.

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<v Speaker 2>I pay to see that the grooming all of it

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<v Speaker 2>or the end result. Okay, well for the.

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<v Speaker 3>Grooming the after as long as they're treating the dog.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I'll give you five bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you on that now. The way the deception

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<v Speaker 2>came to light was kind of fun to picture. The

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<v Speaker 2>story goes a mother brought her son to the zoo

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<v Speaker 2>to check out the animals, like young kid, and she

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<v Speaker 2>was having fun introducing her child to all the animals,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was educating her son on all the different

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<v Speaker 2>sounds that animals make. And then when they approached the

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<v Speaker 2>enclosure with the alleged African lion, they watched this animal

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<v Speaker 2>for a while and the mother's like, you know, doing

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<v Speaker 2>the distinctive lion roar for her son. She's like, soon

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to do that, But instead, when the alleged

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<v Speaker 2>lion finally did make a sound, it barked. The kid

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<v Speaker 2>looked at it up his mom like, why are lying

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<v Speaker 2>to me? The mother, knowing what a lion should sound like,

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<v Speaker 2>was obviously shocked, and so this is when the deception

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<v Speaker 2>was revealed, or rather confirmed. So zoo keepers admitted that

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<v Speaker 2>their real African lion was away at the moment, and

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<v Speaker 2>they'd subbed in a Tibetan masta, you know, and it's like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it looks a lot like a lion, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And she was like, my child, So the deceived mother.

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<v Speaker 2>She's pissed, right, she told the local press quote, the

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<v Speaker 2>zoo was absolutely trying to cheat us. They are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to discus dogs as lions.

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<v Speaker 3>I give him credit for it. Look, lady, you can

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<v Speaker 3>either go and have a sign that says, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>exhibit closed, or you can go and see a cool

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<v Speaker 3>your choice.

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<v Speaker 2>All the kid's not gonna remember a good point. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>she may not have been wrong to level such accusations,

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<v Speaker 2>because it wasn't just the African lion that was fake

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<v Speaker 2>in the zoo. There was also a fake leopard. Visitors

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<v Speaker 2>who looked closely at the animals stalking in the so

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<v Speaker 2>called leopards den would notice it was actually a white fox. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a big difference totally. And in the enclosure that

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<v Speaker 2>purportedly held a wolf, it was also a dog. The

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<v Speaker 2>zoo in question, they claimed the two cages were simply mislabeled,

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<v Speaker 2>which I find a little hard to believe.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Plus, there were other incidents in China of doubtful

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<v Speaker 2>wild animals going down, like for instance, uh. Unlike with

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<v Speaker 2>that zoo, the other incidents did have good or at

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<v Speaker 2>least reasonable explanations. For instance, there was a reserve in

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<v Speaker 2>the Sechuan Province and the panda keepers. They would often

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<v Speaker 2>zip up a human sized panda costume and then they

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<v Speaker 2>would join the pandas in the enclosure. Yeah, in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't meant to fool the humans because it was

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<v Speaker 2>clearly like, that's not a panda. It was meant to

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<v Speaker 2>trick the pandas because they want the zoop keepers. They

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to like slip on the panda costume to alleviate

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<v Speaker 2>the panda stress and if they got moved, or also

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<v Speaker 2>to help them overcome any like attachment with their human caregivers,

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<v Speaker 2>so they wouldn't be going up to people going do

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<v Speaker 2>you have bamboo shoots?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you've seen the thing of the little baby panda

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<v Speaker 3>that makes a snarling face when breaking. Oh yeah, because

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<v Speaker 3>he learned not from an adult panda but from the

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<v Speaker 3>zoo keepers how to snap the bamboo. But everyone have

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<v Speaker 3>like a pained look on their face as they exerted

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<v Speaker 3>to snap the bamboo. Yeah, so this little panda bear

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<v Speaker 3>like snarls.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a rough one.

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<v Speaker 3>So they got to be careful. I see why they

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<v Speaker 3>do it. They're so sweet innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, just little I love pandas. The by the

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<v Speaker 2>way the zip up panda costumes. They were often visually

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<v Speaker 2>troubling for visitors to the panda reserve. And you can

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<v Speaker 2>see why. This is what a human in a panda

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<v Speaker 2>costume looks like.

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<v Speaker 3>That is disturbing. I feel like if he turns around,

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<v Speaker 3>the butt cheeks are like cut out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just it looks like a slender Man costume, but

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<v Speaker 2>for a panda.

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<v Speaker 3>Well there's no padding and it's yeah, it's very droopy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, It's just it's a low effort. It looks like.

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<v Speaker 3>Those seventies Halloween costume.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>They would give kids like a plastic front, only mass

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<v Speaker 3>hard hard plastic, and then like a garbage bag that

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<v Speaker 3>had a like the outfit printed on it.

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<v Speaker 2>But only the front because the back would be a

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<v Speaker 2>solid color.

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<v Speaker 3>And if I'm sure that if it got caught on

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<v Speaker 3>a jack land and it would go up like like

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<v Speaker 3>a Roman candle.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much everything in the seventies was flammable. It's very true, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if it was for children. For children. So way

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<v Speaker 2>back to Angela the sun Bear, we need to resolve

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<v Speaker 2>this right, Yes, thanks to the fake lion, the fake leopard,

0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the humans in a panda suit. You can see why

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese zoogoers might have their doubts, sure right, and come

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<v Speaker 2>to believe it was a person in America.

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<v Speaker 3>Houl bitten twice, shy.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally, It's totally fair and on their part, I'm not,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, slighting them for being doubtful, suspicious, what have you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna victim blame.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the truth. Was it a real sun bear or

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<v Speaker 2>a zoo keeper in a bear suit? What's your call, Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 3>Why not both?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Like that? I live in very diplomatic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's live in the gray.

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<v Speaker 2>So it turns out it was a real sun bear.

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<v Speaker 2>It was are so the zoo claimed. One of the

0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.600
<v Speaker 2>zoo keepers took to social media to defend Angela, and

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<v Speaker 2>they posted that quote, of course it's a real animal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's definitely not a person in disguise. Our place is

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<v Speaker 2>a state run facility. Such situations won't happen here.

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<v Speaker 3>But I could see where they're like, we're not some

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<v Speaker 3>fly by night private But oh they're also like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Angela's got a weird body. You guys don't like, don't

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<v Speaker 3>accuse her of being human. She's a real bear. She's

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent bear.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that same zoo worker also offered some reasoning as

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<v Speaker 2>to why I couldn't be a person in a bear suit.

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<v Speaker 2>They reasoned that it was way too hot in the

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<v Speaker 2>summer to throw on a bear costume just to con

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<v Speaker 2>some tourists for a couple of dollars or you know

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<v Speaker 2>you want.

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<v Speaker 3>If anyone's ever been to like Disneyland or a theme park,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that no one cares. The owners of places

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<v Speaker 3>don't care how hot. Oh yeah, they'll put you in

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<v Speaker 3>a big old sweatsuit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as long as that sweaty stink doesn't come out

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<v Speaker 2>of the suit. They don't care what's going on inside

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<v Speaker 2>the exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So that you know what, I discount that point. Give

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<v Speaker 3>me your next argument, Chinese zoo.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the zoo keeper wrote on social media, if you

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<v Speaker 2>were to wear a suit, you definitely couldn't bear it

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<v Speaker 2>for more than a few minutes. You'd have to lie down.

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<v Speaker 2>So fun puns aside.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that pun translate from Chinese?

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<v Speaker 2>I wondered that too.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really interesting. Yeah, I don't think it does.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I think it just happened to be.

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<v Speaker 2>It just lined up in English. But I could be wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe they're ready. I don't know. You know what, Now

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like we've blown this whole thing wide open.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that's a problem because was he writing

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<v Speaker 3>it in English?

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<v Speaker 2>No, It's written in Chinese as far as I can tell.

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<v Speaker 3>And then translates like perhaps if Chinese speakers can clarify

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<v Speaker 3>for it, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Could be the translator introduced the pun.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh took some liberties again. Now I'm just not I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know who to believe anymore, Sar, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what what's fake.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, all this gave me an idea. Whenever you finally

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<v Speaker 2>open your strip club for ladies who just want to

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<v Speaker 2>lie around on couches and robes slots, you should open

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<v Speaker 2>a roadside zoo attraction that's just people lying around wearing

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<v Speaker 2>half zipped bear costumes. Okay, right, just so for the outside,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like kind of like you're like, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we got a roadside attraction to bring in the truckers.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, but I'll put the I'll put the fellows outside

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<v Speaker 3>in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally outside exactly, and the lady's gonna be inside

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<v Speaker 2>with the air conditioning robes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, girl, Ladies to the front. Girls to the front.

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<v Speaker 2>So back to Angela that maybe or maybe not Sunbar.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is the truth? Well, in order to convince

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<v Speaker 2>the public that Angela Sunbear was a real bear, the

0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.760
<v Speaker 2>zoo put out a press release allegedly written by the bear.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't now convince.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So now who tells the truth around here?

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<v Speaker 2>Well do you check this statement? And I quote? Yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>after work, I received a call from the park manager

0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.919
<v Speaker 2>asking me if I was slacking off and had a

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<v Speaker 2>biped replace me. Much to my surprise, I'm just sitting

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<v Speaker 2>in the mountains and I go viral on the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people think I look too human when I stand up.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems you really don't understand me. Previously, some visitors

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<v Speaker 2>even thought I was too petite to be a bear.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to emphasize again, I am a Malaysian sun bear,

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<v Speaker 2>not a black bear, not a dog, a Malaysian sun bear.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was the press release allegedly written by Angela

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<v Speaker 2>the sun Bear. It's not helping quell any of the doubts.

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<v Speaker 2>So if that didn't convince you, Elizabeth, we also have

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<v Speaker 2>test the money from Charles Robbins, director of research at

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<v Speaker 2>the Washington State University Bear Center, which I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 2>should follow on social media, and according to The New

0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.480
<v Speaker 2>York Times, Robbins assessed the bear question it offered his take,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that in his professional opinion and I quote, it

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<v Speaker 2>looks like a sun bear to me. Presumably the bear

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<v Speaker 2>has been rewarded with food by the crowd for standing,

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<v Speaker 2>so it learned very quickly to do just that. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's the whole he's getting rid of the standing part now.

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<v Speaker 2>Robin's also addressed the posture of the sun bear, adding

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<v Speaker 2>the quote, I have a grizzly bear that will stand

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<v Speaker 2>and walk two legged. So now he's just like bragging

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<v Speaker 2>on what he got.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I'm just okay, so what's it? Is he

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<v Speaker 3>in their pocket too?

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<v Speaker 2>No, but he's the deciding factor in this one. So

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<v Speaker 2>there you go in the sun Bear innocent. Which brings

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<v Speaker 2>me to another big bad bear story where the nature

0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:50.719
<v Speaker 2>of the bear was in question. When this story hit

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<v Speaker 2>the press recently, a number of rude dudes reached out

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<v Speaker 2>to us and sent us this story.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps inspired by the Chinese zoos, a group of southern

0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:00.280
<v Speaker 2>California men got some notions for how they they might

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<v Speaker 2>pull off some bear bas crimes. First they got a

0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.120
<v Speaker 2>bear suit, Then they played rock paper scissors to see

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<v Speaker 2>who would wear the bear suit. Then on January twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, they took three cars and drove out

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<v Speaker 2>to Lake Arrowhead, which is up there in the mountains

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<v Speaker 2>above Los Angeles, where they then proceeded to stage their crime.

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<v Speaker 2>The men filmed an alleged bear breaking into their cars

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<v Speaker 2>and thrashing the insides.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that just happened up in Tahoe a couple weeks

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<v Speaker 3>ago totally.

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<v Speaker 2>And these cars, they were really nice, Like one was

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty fifteen Mercedes G sixty three AMG, another was

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty twenty two Mercedes E three fifty and the

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<v Speaker 2>third car was a twenty ten Rolls Royce Ghost.

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<v Speaker 3>Itok, a Rolls Royce up to Lake Arrowhead.

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<v Speaker 2>I know right now. The men had a good thing going,

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<v Speaker 2>that is until they got greedy with it. Because you see,

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<v Speaker 2>they filed not one, not two, but all three different

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<v Speaker 2>insurance claims reporting that a bear broke in and damaged

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<v Speaker 2>their cars. And they filed the claims with different insurance

0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:57.480
<v Speaker 2>companies on and two of the insurance companies seem to

0:19:57.520 --> 0:19:59.439
<v Speaker 2>have been tricked. But the third company, the one that

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<v Speaker 2>ensured the Rolls Royce wasn't so easy to cause.

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<v Speaker 3>To say, why did they go up there and then

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<v Speaker 3>film themselves trashing the car? Well, now I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, insurance for the insurance fraud. So their ruse was

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<v Speaker 2>revealed on the video proof they submitted to polster their

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<v Speaker 2>insurance claims, which means they made the mistake of filming

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<v Speaker 2>their crimes one right, and then because you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>you point out, they needed the video proof for the

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<v Speaker 2>insurance companies. They also made the mistake of filing the

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<v Speaker 2>claims on the exact same date at the exact same

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<v Speaker 2>location and said, you know, here's how it goes, which

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<v Speaker 2>linked the claims. When one of the claims was for

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<v Speaker 2>the rolls, Royce triggered an investigation Elizabeth by the California

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Insurance. No one sees them coming never. The

0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:41.000
<v Speaker 2>investigation was cheekily called Operation bear Claw No No. Their

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<v Speaker 2>investigation into the alleged to bear attack on these string

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<v Speaker 2>of luxury cars. The insurance fraud investigators noted that when

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<v Speaker 2>they carefully considered it the video evidence, it sure looked

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<v Speaker 2>like the bear recorded inside the expensive cars looked a

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<v Speaker 2>hell of a lot like a man inside of a

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<v Speaker 2>bear costume. Thrashing around in the luxury cars, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen it and it definitely does really. Oh yeah. So

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<v Speaker 2>the investigators they took the video evidence to a group

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<v Speaker 2>of wildlife biologists who worked for the California Department of

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<v Speaker 2>Fish and Wildlife, and they asked them for their professional

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<v Speaker 2>opinion on the alleged bear attack video. It did not

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<v Speaker 2>take the wildlife biologists very long? Did it determine? That? Quote?

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<v Speaker 2>It was clearly a human in a bear suit?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, I see videos like that all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sure, both from Tahoe and from southern California.

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<v Speaker 2>So once the insurance frauds confirmed, charges were filed against

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<v Speaker 2>the purps. The men, Alfia Zuckerman thirty nine of Valley Village,

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<v Speaker 2>along with Reuben tamarazi In twenty six of Glendale, and

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<v Speaker 2>Vahi morod Kanian of thirty two, also of Glendale, were

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<v Speaker 2>all sentenced to one hundred and eighty days in county jail,

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<v Speaker 2>and the men were also ordered to pay restitution which

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<v Speaker 2>amounted to one hundred and forty one thousand dollars. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there was a fourth suspect, Era Rot Chirkinian thirty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>as also of Glendale, tell by the ian whose cas

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<v Speaker 2>His case is still pending. So there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Did they rent these cars, like, did they own the They.

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<v Speaker 2>Own the cars. And then they were filing insurance claims

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<v Speaker 2>on the damage done and basically saying, oh, my car

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<v Speaker 2>has been total Exactly, a bear totaled my car from

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<v Speaker 2>the inside out.

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<v Speaker 3>There's the one that happened up untill they showed they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have the picture of the bear in there, but

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<v Speaker 3>the bear got stuck.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was a legit bear. Though it was a

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<v Speaker 2>legit bear bears.

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<v Speaker 3>When they showed the inside of the car, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>like you see like the claw marks, and they just

0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:37.240
<v Speaker 3>that thing went to town and there.

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<v Speaker 2>They do real damage to damage a human being could

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<v Speaker 2>not do. Exactly, you just don't have the musculature.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, So let's.

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<v Speaker 2>Unzip, step out of our bear costumes, and when we're back,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get into some more fake emergencies. There were actually

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous crimes, and we're back, Elizabeth, back, you're ready for

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:18.119
<v Speaker 2>round two of Yeah, dude, fake uh, fake fakers, fakers,

0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:20.280
<v Speaker 2>fraudsters in this case, fake emergencies.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh oh yeah, that's not funny.

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<v Speaker 2>So this next one is another recent news story. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you saw this one on your news

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<v Speaker 2>feeds or perhaps on social media. It involves those folks

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<v Speaker 2>who pay large money to climb Mount Everest.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh those folks. Yeah, yeah, I try and ignore that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I figured, but as you might guess, people who are

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<v Speaker 2>willing to pay a lot of money to climb up

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<v Speaker 2>a mountain also make really easy marks to.

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<v Speaker 3>Con Oh, I can imagine. Have you seen the pictures

0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:46.639
<v Speaker 3>of them, like the traffic jam, it's just a line

0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 3>of people. Oh yeah, and they're not even really like

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:50.159
<v Speaker 3>there's one step.

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<v Speaker 2>At a time, and they're holding onto the guide ropes

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.520
<v Speaker 2>and it looks like, you know, like a line for Disneyland,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're waiting for Space mountain.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then they leave their trash and then dead

0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:03.080
<v Speaker 3>friends all over the places. Bottles close it down, shut

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<v Speaker 3>down the mountain.

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<v Speaker 2>So the story goes Sherpas the aka the mountain guides,

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<v Speaker 2>who you.

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<v Speaker 3>Get treated like garbage by the way, largely Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they leave these mountain climbers up the face

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<v Speaker 2>of Mount Everest, where allegedly now they are poisoning the

0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:23.800
<v Speaker 2>climbers halfway up the mountain. They're poisoning, poisoning them. Why

0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:25.520
<v Speaker 2>why would they do that, You may be wondering, is

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 2>it because they're so poorly treated? Possibly? But mostly it's

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<v Speaker 2>for the big payday.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, like the big candy bar.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but actual like here's your check. Nice work, like

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<v Speaker 2>poisoning the Western Yeah, like, how does poisoning your client

0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:45.680
<v Speaker 2>result in a payday? That's great questions, Elizabeth. It was

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:49.919
<v Speaker 2>a classic case of insurance fraud because you see, if

0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:52.720
<v Speaker 2>you have a medical emergency on Mount Everest, you can't

0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.360
<v Speaker 2>just climb back down. You can't send up a traditional

0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 2>ambulance to go pick them up. And due to the

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<v Speaker 2>often bad weather on the mountain and the lack of

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 2>negotiable roads past a certain height, is only one way

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:05.480
<v Speaker 2>to get to them, which is a helicopter. So you

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:08.680
<v Speaker 2>send up a helicopter ambulance and then those helicopter rescues

0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 2>they aren't cheap, so the sherpas would conspire with the

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 2>helicopter companies to fake a medical emergency or would need

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:19.000
<v Speaker 2>be cause one, so that way the helicopter ambulances would

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<v Speaker 2>have to take expensive rescue missions, and that we're paid

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<v Speaker 2>for by the Western insurance companies. Amazing right, As The

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<v Speaker 2>Daily Mail reported on a story that was first reported

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<v Speaker 2>by the Katmandu Post Quote. The fake rescue racket works

0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:34.720
<v Speaker 2>by getting a climber to stage a medical emergency. A

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.480
<v Speaker 2>helicopter is then called and taken to a nearby hospital.

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.359
<v Speaker 2>An insurance claim is then filed that bears little resemblance

0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 2>to what actually happened. So it had fast become a

0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 2>fifteen million pound insurance scam. Yeah, one that involves sherpas,

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 2>helicopter pilots, local doctors. It was a whole cottage industry. Again.

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:56.360
<v Speaker 2>According to the Daily Mail and I Quote, Nepal's Police

0:25:56.480 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Central Investigation Bureau identified two ways this game is manufactured.

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<v Speaker 2>The first involved tourists who don't want to walk all

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.400
<v Speaker 2>the way back down tracks can take up to two

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 2>weeks on foot, so guides tell climbers to fake a

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 2>medical emergency so that a helicopter comes. But the second

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 2>method is far more troubling and involves tricking climbers into

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<v Speaker 2>thinking they're having a medical emergency. Oh wow, that's where

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 2>the poison comes in.

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 2>And this, Elizabeth, is where I say, rather than me,

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:28.360
<v Speaker 2>tell you about the poison. Yes, Elizabeth, close your eye

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 2>as I want you to picture it. It's a pleasant

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 2>day on Mount Everest, or at least it was when

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:43.880
<v Speaker 2>you first began your ascent, But now after you've been

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 2>at it for a long while, the weather has started

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:50.040
<v Speaker 2>to turn. You fight against strong gusts of wind that

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 2>whisks snow from the mountain side, creating a dramatic white

0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 2>cloud from the snow spray effect. The reduced to visibility

0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:00.040
<v Speaker 2>has left you clinging to the guide ropes and the

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:04.480
<v Speaker 2>mountainside itself. Turns out, this is your first time climbing

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 2>the famous tallest mountain in the world. You were excited

0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 2>to come. You felt abuliant when you first began the

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 2>hike up Everest, but now as a weather turns more foul,

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 2>you've grown nervous about what could happen. You know the statistics,

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 2>and you've already had to step over more than one

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.159
<v Speaker 2>frozen corpse of a hiker who failed the summit the

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:28.280
<v Speaker 2>mountain and now resides permanently as a human popsicle landmark

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 2>on the trail to the peak. Luckily for you, you

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 2>have an experienced mountain guide with you, and your Shirpa

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 2>promises you he'll keep an eye on you and keep

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:39.679
<v Speaker 2>you safe. He says he has a phenomenal safety record

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.920
<v Speaker 2>This is reassuring, since at your current altitude, the air

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 2>has become thin, oxygen is scarce. At the moment, you

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 2>feel like you're breathing through a carpet, absolutely fighting to

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 2>replenish your oxygen after each hexhay and your Shirpa notices this.

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:57.359
<v Speaker 2>He informs you that above three thousand meters, this is

0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 2>a common experience. You know what he's referenced. It's called

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.840
<v Speaker 2>altitude sickness. You were warned about it in the many

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 2>online forums you checked before you came to Everest, the

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 2>same forums and subreddits you read obsessively before you booked

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 2>your trip, and so you know all of the signs

0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:17.119
<v Speaker 2>of what to look for. Headache, a tangling sensation in

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.879
<v Speaker 2>your limbs, and extremities. All of this is due to

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 2>the precipitous drop of oxygen in your blood. But that's

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.119
<v Speaker 2>the odd thing. You aren't experiencing any of those telltale

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:30.120
<v Speaker 2>signs of altitude sickness. So you argue that since you've

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.680
<v Speaker 2>come this far, you want to push it. You want

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:36.159
<v Speaker 2>to continue your ascent to the summit. Your Sirpa seems

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 2>disappointed in your response, which you find kind of odd.

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he's just the worrying kind, because a dead hiker

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 2>is probably bad for his online reviews. Anyway, you manage

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 2>to press on your feet find purchase in the icy

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 2>mountain side. Your breathing is labored, but it remains steady

0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 2>because you trained for this climb and you're convinced you

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 2>can make it. A little while later, your shurpa calls

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 2>for a rest. He says you all need to catch

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 2>your breath, rest your weary bodies, and eat something to

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 2>restore your energy reserves. You agree, so you and your

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 2>climbing partner who came along at your invite, and your

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:16.719
<v Speaker 2>trustee sherpa all stop to eat. You tear open your

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 2>trail snacks. You gobble them up rather voraciously. After you've

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 2>sucked down your energy slurries and protein bars, you wash

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 2>it all down with some hot tea from a thermos

0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 2>that your shurpa brought. It tastes good, i'llbeit a little

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 2>bit odd to your palate. After your brief rest, you

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 2>all reset the ice bikes of your climbing boots into

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 2>the icy mountain side. You get back to hiking. You

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 2>managed to put one foot in front of the other

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 2>for another hour or so, but you feel this rumbling

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 2>in your tummy. There's a strange, unsettling gurgling. As you

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 2>march up the mountain, your discomfort only grows more intense.

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Soon enough, you're in actual physical pain. It feels debilitating.

0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 2>You begin to doubt if you can go on. Your

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Shirpa notices it. He stops you all again and says

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 2>he's worried about you. He says you don't look good.

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 2>It's altitude sickness, he says. He tells you he's going

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 2>to radio back down to the base camp and call

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 2>for an emergency helicopter to come up and get you.

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 2>You try to protest, but you can't make a meaningful

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 2>argument against a rescue chopper because you are in agony.

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 2>A little while later, you hear it long before you

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 2>see it, and then boom, you spy it, the rescue chopper.

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 2>It emerges from the wispy white clouds. It's rotors whip

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 2>and swirl the wind blown snowspray, and seeing the chopper,

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:38.120
<v Speaker 2>you feel defeated, but you begrudgingly accept the help. Your

0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 2>shurface secures you in the basket, and then you're winched

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 2>up to the helicopter and brought inside safe and secure

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 2>after a humbling white back down from where you were

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 2>high above the clouds. You were flown directly to a

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 2>hospital where the well practiced admitting staff takes you in

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 2>it begins to treat you for altitude sickness. You're both

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 2>angry and a little embarrassed that you had to be rescued.

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, maybe you'll have better luck next time. Okay,

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 2>So there you go, Elizabeth. That's what a medically induced

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 2>helicopter rescue looks like. Yeah, in practice, or in your

0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 2>imagined case, your shirp has slipped you some baking soda

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 2>into your tea in order to trigger a medical emergency

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 2>so he and his partners could scam the system and

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 2>necessitate a mountainside rescue. You see, he gets a cut

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 2>from the helicopter service for calling out the cavalry to

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 2>come save you, because they all know the Western insurance

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:31.000
<v Speaker 2>companies will pay top dollar for your medical care. Who

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 2>gets hurt here, you know? And like I said earlier,

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 2>since they were scamming insurance companies, the fraudsters often went

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:40.160
<v Speaker 2>for every dollar or pound they could finagle, which means

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 2>the purpose would claim that every single person that gets

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 2>rescued required their own chopper, even though the rescue choppers

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>were designed to carry multiple distressed or injured climbers, and

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 2>if each person needs a fresh chopper, that makes multiple

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 2>paid in Now, if you're wondering, the rescue flights would

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 2>charge the insurance companies about nine thousand pounds per rescue,

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 2>which is about twelve thousand dollars American. Okay, not bad

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 2>for a scam. Sounds so bad, it really doesn't.

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 3>In fact, that's cheaper than like if you don't have

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 3>an insurance and you have to be airlifted after an

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 3>action of this country.

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I forget about tie hundred thousand dollars exactly. Yeah,

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 2>so I would rather call one of them. I'm like,

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 2>flyover from the ball exactly now. In order to have

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 2>all their ducks in a row, the purpse would also

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>fake the paperwork, such as flight manifests and load sheets.

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 2>That's the kind of paperwork that pilots had to fill out. Yeah,

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 2>and at the hospital they'd have medical aid professionals doctor

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 2>up some of pony paperwork. So they'd even use like

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 2>the digital signature of a doctor who never even saw

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 2>the faked patients oftentimes didn't even know he was being

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 2>involved in the scam.

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 2>So in the time between twenty twenty two and twenty

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty five, investigators found that there were over three hundred

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 2>confirmed fake rescues. Oh no what Oh yeah. In total,

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 2>those paid out about fifteen million pounds in fraudulent insurance claims. Wow,

0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 2>which is about twenty million dollars. Now what's curious is

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 2>that this scam was well known. Like, in fact, back

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 2>in twenty nine there was so much insurance fraud going

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 2>down that policy reforms were put in place by NEPAUL

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 2>to stem this new trendy crime wave. But that reform

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 2>backfired and it led to more fraud.

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh you're kidding.

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just ask Minaj Kumar Casey, who is the head

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 2>of the Central Investigation Bureau of the Nepol Police. He

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>told the catman do post quote. The scam continued due

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>to lacks punitive action. When there is no action against crime,

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>it flourishes. The insurance scam two flourished as a result,

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 2>and so now this year, rescue chopper fraud is once

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 2>again making headlines, especially after thirty two people were charged

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>for making phony insurance claims. Yeah, nine of them have

0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 2>been arrested, which included pilots and staff from three different

0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 2>helicopter companies, along with doctors and it admin's staff from

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 2>three different hospitals. So it's a widely engaged yeah, exactly.

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 2>But there's more to this story, Elizabeth, because you see

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 2>when news stories broke about the charges being brought against

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 2>the quote thirty two tour managers, rescue coordinators, hospital owners, doctors,

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 2>and trekking guides who face charges under the Organized Crime

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Prevention Act is Climbing Magazine reported those news stories focused

0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:13.360
<v Speaker 2>on the trend of poisoning mountain climbers in order to

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 2>necessitate a chopper rescue, like what happened to you in

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 2>the picture now. However, according to Climbing Magazine, that's not accurate,

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:23.800
<v Speaker 2>not according to the accounting of what is really happening.

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 2>They have the receipts, Elizabeth. They can prove it based

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.800
<v Speaker 2>on the seven hundred and eighty four page charge sheet

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 2>for the thirty two named Purpse. Insurance fraud is certainly

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.839
<v Speaker 2>going down on the mountain. Nobody doubts that. That's not

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 2>up for debate. But the poisoning part seems to be

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a lie, or at least a major exaggeration. Now,

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 2>remember having the picture that you were poisoned with and

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:48.359
<v Speaker 2>I didn't tell you, but it was baking soda I

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 2>just put in the tea in order to necessitate an

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:55.400
<v Speaker 2>emergency chopper back. Well, poisonings like that didn't happen, at

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:59.920
<v Speaker 2>least not often. However, reported news stories about the charges

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 2>in the insurance fraud, that was often the headline, like,

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 2>you know mountain guides pol climbers.

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Is then it turns out of these poor innocent climbers

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 3>exactly nasty locals.

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it totally plays into all of our biases

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:15.279
<v Speaker 2>and some orientalism. Throw that in there, right. So, as

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 2>these news stories around the world focused on the sensational

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 2>allegations that mountain guides were poisoning their clients for big,

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 2>big money, yeah, none of that ended up showing up

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 2>in the seven hundred and forty eight page charging documents.

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:30.919
<v Speaker 2>And to confirm this, climbing magazine they like went through

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.439
<v Speaker 2>all seven and forty eight pages with their highlighter pen

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.440
<v Speaker 2>and then once they were satisfied with that, they reached

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:38.840
<v Speaker 2>out to folks from the Central Investigation Bureau of the

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Nepal Police and they were told via email to date,

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:45.400
<v Speaker 2>the official investigation has not found any evidence of poisoning.

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, as well, Senior Superintendent of Police Kumar Shreshed

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:52.800
<v Speaker 2>the put out a press release to quell the online

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:55.799
<v Speaker 2>fear mongering because this is big business for Nepal. They're

0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 2>like use of Mount Everest money. Yeah. So in his

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>press release, the Police super tenant he informed the public

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 2>and the press that quote the CIB Serious attention has

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 2>been drawn to news reports broadcasted across national and international

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 2>media regarding the fake rescue of tourists. These reports alleged

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.760
<v Speaker 2>to the Trekking guides in the Everest region made tourists

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:18.239
<v Speaker 2>ill by mixing poisonous substances into their food to facilitate

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 2>fake rescues. During the investigation conducted so far, no facts

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:25.320
<v Speaker 2>have been found to suggest that poisonous substances were mixed

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 2>into food. So then where do where the start? Well,

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:31.319
<v Speaker 2>as best as can be determined, it began with a

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 2>repeated rumor. One mountain guide, a man named Uga Bajador Tappa.

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:39.839
<v Speaker 2>He said that quote, I've heard that foreigners are made

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 2>ill by mixing bacon powder into their food. So that's

0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 2>all it took. I have heard, And then everyone just

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:45.719
<v Speaker 2>ran with it.

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, and I would imagine that some of these guys

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 3>who are just you know, really full of themselves and

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 3>have the money to do Everest and if they they

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:56.880
<v Speaker 3>poop out they can't make it. Oh, then they're like,

0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 3>you know what, I think I was poisoned by this

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 3>mysterious Sherpah they do.

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 2>They go into a subreddit and they see someone report

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 2>this and they're like, that's what happened to me. Yeah,

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 2>that's why I couldn't make it.

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:07.960
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, like I think because that's what you

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 3>were talking about, Like this sense of disappointment is the

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 3>helicopter crests and the person wants to you know, push through.

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 3>I could see that, But then I could also see

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 3>them being jerks and being like, well, I'm going to

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 3>blame someone. I'm gonna blame the.

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 2>She they poisoned.

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 5>Otherwise I would have be sprinted. The last half I

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 5>was doing record time they were carried him. No one

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 5>has gone this fast like I was carrying.

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Two sherpas on my back and then they poisoned me.

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Now, since Tenseig nor Gay have seen.

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 3>It made them look so bad, so as.

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Were the actual insurance broud it largely stemmed from guides

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 2>convincing hikers that they were experiencing a medical emergency and

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 2>then calling a chopper to rescue them, and then charging

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 2>the Western insurance companies for the medical emergency that actually

0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:56.360
<v Speaker 2>was happening. Right like. For instance, consider the case of

0:37:56.480 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Tensing Sherpa. He's a guide for Panorama Himalayan Trekking expedition.

0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 2>He was named in the criminal indictment and he stands

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.280
<v Speaker 2>accused of radioing for a chopper to rescue a Canadian

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:09.359
<v Speaker 2>woman who was experiencing a medical emergency. The woman named

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Sylvia Albierre was choppered off the mountain and when she

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 2>gets home to Canada, she sees in her latest bill

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 2>her insurance was charged eighty two hundred dollars for the

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:21.680
<v Speaker 2>rescue plus thirteen hundred and two dollars for hospital treatment.

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 2>And when she saw that bill, she did what many

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:26.400
<v Speaker 2>folks do these days, She went and got mad. On Facebook.

0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 2>She saw stories about similar fake rescues. She deduced that

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 2>she too was scammed, so she wrote an email to

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 2>the CIB in Nepal.

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Well did she she took a helicopter ride?

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:40.800
<v Speaker 2>She did take a legitimate She went to the hospital

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 2>in you got the full trip ext So when she

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 2>wrote her email to the CIB in Nepal, she told

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 2>investigators her story, and in her email in January of

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:53.360
<v Speaker 2>this year, she wrote that she and her fellow climber

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 2>were both duped, or she put it, we were denied

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:59.360
<v Speaker 2>the right to descend on foot as we intended. So

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:03.400
<v Speaker 2>apparently her email led to charges against Tensing Shirpa. Now

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:05.399
<v Speaker 2>in all, honestly, can you imagine know how pissed you'd

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 2>be if you spend all this time preparing, all that time,

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 2>securing of visa to climb Ount Everest, all that money

0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 2>to outfit yourself or your arduous mountain climb, and then

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 2>when you finally get there, a guy's like you're having

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:16.360
<v Speaker 2>a medical emergency.

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:17.480
<v Speaker 3>It might be you know.

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing is, it's like you don't get to

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:20.760
<v Speaker 2>actually make the climb.

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean she was on her way down. I

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 3>could see where they're just like they have to make

0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:28.880
<v Speaker 3>that call of Joe. I want as someone who's going

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 3>to keel over, and a lot of people don't want

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:31.359
<v Speaker 3>to admit.

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes when they aren't.

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 3>They don't have anyben to finish something. And you can

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 3>see the egos on these people to go do this

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 3>in the first place.

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Good point, and they're not going to.

0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Be the one like, yeah, you know what, I don't

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:42.279
<v Speaker 3>think I can finish this. They're oh, I'm going to

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:46.839
<v Speaker 3>do this. But there was a case recently where these climbers,

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, we're having trouble getting up or whatever. I

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 3>don't know what happened, but one of them collapsed and

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:53.799
<v Speaker 3>the sherpa picked him up, put his own pack down,

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 3>picked the guy up and carried.

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Him back to back then a base camp, and.

0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 3>Then he gave it was some well known person. So

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 3>it was like a press conference, doesn't think the It's

0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:06.040
<v Speaker 3>like I want to thank my team and I want

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:09.520
<v Speaker 3>to think the King of England, but like you're just

0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:11.520
<v Speaker 3>naming all these people and the shirp is like, oh

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:14.399
<v Speaker 3>my god, I just carried this big, you know, sack

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:17.640
<v Speaker 3>of potatoes down here, and what am I chap liver?

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh? And also I mean there's like in the mountain

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 2>climbing community, there's a lot of stuff about like your

0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 2>climbing partner. You have to like you have to recognize

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 2>you both are facing life and death and decisions, so

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 2>you have to be very honest very truthful. It's like

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 2>a bond. You're literally tied to each other, right, and

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:34.839
<v Speaker 2>if something happens to them, they break their legs. You're

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:36.160
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be like, I'm not going to the mountain.

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:37.839
<v Speaker 2>I got to help you get down to Basecam. There's

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 2>whole documentaries about that. Now. Obviously, as you pointed out,

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:45.080
<v Speaker 2>it's a tremendous debacle to climb Mount Everest. These tastes,

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:46.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean quite honestly. I mean, not only do you

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.000
<v Speaker 2>have to step over the bodies of the frozen climbers

0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 2>died in the mountain and who are now frozen corpses

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:55.759
<v Speaker 2>who never get removed ever, they're they're for good. Yeah. Also,

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 2>you spend most of your time on the mountain, like

0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:01.280
<v Speaker 2>like I said, like you're at Disneyland righting in line.

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 3>And they leave their trash everywhere, including oxygen.

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Bottles huge yeah, big break green.

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 3>And I think they're framing the Sherpas quite frankly, because

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 3>if you have all these Western tourists who are like,

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 3>oh this is you know, this is fraud.

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 2>They're making me do this.

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:17.359
<v Speaker 3>The government, like you said, they want that Everest money,

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, big money, and the communities need that money,

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:22.319
<v Speaker 3>So if they're gonna say, oh yeah, okay, we'll crack

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 3>down on it. And then I think gets curious that

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 3>they don't do anything, because it's not really happening. The

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 3>justice for the spas now.

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Also, I was thinking, if they can do helicopter rescues,

0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:35.440
<v Speaker 2>why can't they clear the bodies of the dead hikers

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Just strap them onto the winch and pull them up,

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:37.920
<v Speaker 2>you know.

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.759
<v Speaker 3>Just get one of those big old helicopters and say

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 3>we're going to close the mountain for a couple of

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 3>days while we clear up the body.

0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:47.120
<v Speaker 2>On the Soviet eraic cargo choppers. You can just like

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 2>land in a field anywhere, like this field can be

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 2>a swamp, doesn't matter.

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 3>But then they also have to be blaring the supremes

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 3>like the beginning of China Beach. And then yeah, I

0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:01.360
<v Speaker 3>just want, like I want to blend all that imagery,

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:03.759
<v Speaker 3>all the stuff.

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 2>And Cold war imagery a running rampant in current day.

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:08.319
<v Speaker 3>I like it. Let's do it.

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:11.759
<v Speaker 2>I like your imagination, thank you so much. So this

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 2>story is bleak and ridiculous, right, so let's take them

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 2>another little break, watch this one out of our heads,

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:19.879
<v Speaker 2>and when we're back, we'll dive back into another fake

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 2>emergency for fun and profit, in this case influence. We're back, Elizabeth. Hello,

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 2>So now are you ready for another fun with fraud

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 2>and faked emergencies? Right? So, you know how you love

0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 2>online influencers and all that they bring to the world. Well,

0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I've saved the best for last.

0:42:57.239 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 3>Great.

0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:00.480
<v Speaker 2>This is another modern one. This one went down recently,

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 2>obviously since it's about an influencer. So the story goes

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:08.319
<v Speaker 2>twenty seven year old Brazilian influencer Monarchy Fraga had a

0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:11.359
<v Speaker 2>big idea and so you can better picture her as

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 2>I tell you the story. This is Monica Fraga.

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so she's like a like a bikini model.

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:20.360
<v Speaker 2>She's exactly that. You're correct.

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:22.759
<v Speaker 3>Well, me, it's just like you say, like imagine like

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 3>an influencer. So it's like she has.

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:27.880
<v Speaker 2>A specific kind like she's not like doing the like

0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I have. I'm involved in beijed life, you know, like

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:31.759
<v Speaker 2>some of them are right, some are like, oh, I'm

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:33.719
<v Speaker 2>a food influencer and they're just like, oh, they have

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 2>like tattoo sleeves and they.

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.760
<v Speaker 3>Have top hair that long hair.

0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't know the influencer.

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:43.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't like you jes honestly, Like.

0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 2>My social media feed, isn't it just not all influencers

0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:46.920
<v Speaker 2>like yours?

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:54.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but influencers like Inina Garden, that's my my influencers.

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I could name an influencer. Can you name,

0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:59.279
<v Speaker 3>aside from the ones you're about to tell me about,

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:01.399
<v Speaker 3>can you name an influencer right now?

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:02.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's tons of them, all.

0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 3>Right, give me a name, Give me one name.

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Jake Paul Is that.

0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:12.399
<v Speaker 3>The boxer he's done about all they do, that's all

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:13.879
<v Speaker 3>he does, gets beat up for fun.

0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:16.359
<v Speaker 2>No, that's what his sideline is. But he started as

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 2>an influencer and then he's just branched out, like mister

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Beast is not a game show host, but now he is.

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:25.040
<v Speaker 3>He is. I think he's like a c I A oh.

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:25.439
<v Speaker 2>He's got dead eyes.

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 3>There's something. There's something like and I don't even know

0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 3>like what he does or who he is, but he

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:32.920
<v Speaker 3>makes cookies or something.

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Now I have no idea. I mean he does everything now,

0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.800
<v Speaker 2>he just he has like an talent agency to stuff

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 2>escape from this house I set on fire? How long

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 2>do you live in this?

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:47.080
<v Speaker 3>See? This is what I'm talking about. Man and the

0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Jake Paul Guy. He came from that. He was an influencer,

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 3>influencing people to.

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Do be their worse self. I don't know it makes sense.

0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 2>It's you also have a mixture, not because you have

0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 2>like the people who do like like I Show Speed.

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:04.840
<v Speaker 2>He's like a streamer where he's just constantly I show speed.

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 2>He's this young black athlete essentially, and he just goes

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:11.600
<v Speaker 2>around the world doing fantastic things like with professional athletes,

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 2>and you're just like, how he runs really fast. He

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 2>can like do a jump and they drive like a

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:18.440
<v Speaker 2>sports car under him. He can like you know, do

0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 2>things that other like professional gymnasts can do. He's like

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:25.359
<v Speaker 2>he just goes Yeah, he's an incredible athlete, but he's

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:27.920
<v Speaker 2>just like too small to be a professional athlete in

0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:30.320
<v Speaker 2>most American sports. So he ends up doing it online

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:33.440
<v Speaker 2>and people are just like he's like a huge star, right.

0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:35.000
<v Speaker 3>And he makes money doing this.

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But he's basically a streamer, not really influence. He's

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:39.440
<v Speaker 2>not like telling people like, hey, wear are these shoes?

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Or like here's where I go to eat to do

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 2>get energy for my you know, crazy stunts.

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 3>So how does he make money as a street He

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:48.120
<v Speaker 3>does this on live Internet.

0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:50.480
<v Speaker 2>People like donate money and then now brand partnerships is

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:52.359
<v Speaker 2>a big part of it. People like fly him over

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:54.719
<v Speaker 2>to Dubai to like, you know, jump a camel or whatever.

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm so old and I am so cranky.

0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:01.759
<v Speaker 2>So like, yeah, I can name plenty, but they've become

0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't get her.

0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:07.279
<v Speaker 3>I can't just just something. That's the only one I like.

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:09.359
<v Speaker 3>But she's a comedian. She's the one who does your

0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 3>eccentric friend and okay, has all the crazy outfits. Oh right,

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:14.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure she makes any money on it, but

0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.680
<v Speaker 3>she's amazing and I love her. She's my favorite. She's

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:19.840
<v Speaker 3>like if my friend Sarah and I had a baby.

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Who's is she the one who does like I'm going

0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:22.560
<v Speaker 2>to punch you that that thing?

0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:22.920
<v Speaker 5>No?

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I love her. What did she say?

0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what her name is like, but yeah,

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:30.480
<v Speaker 3>she like quietly threatens to punch. I haven't seen her

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:32.839
<v Speaker 3>in a long time. Okay, but no, this one is

0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:35.000
<v Speaker 3>she's just jolly or something like.

0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 2>She's probably a comedian. I got cha.

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she she just like wears really outlandish outfits.

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:44.719
<v Speaker 2>Well that brings us back to Moniky Franco whole thing,

0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:47.839
<v Speaker 2>which is she wears outrageous outfits. They're just always bikinis.

0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:50.200
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, no, that's not what this count does now.

0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 2>A year ago, in April twenty twenty five, Rakha posted

0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:56.319
<v Speaker 2>to her forty eight thousand followers that she had gone

0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 2>through it in the jungle. She informed her fans and

0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.040
<v Speaker 2>followers that she and her husband Lucas were near their

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 2>home in Karasu, Burbazil, when they were accosted by three

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 2>well armed men and what followed was a veritable nightmare

0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth and her video explainer of the attack. Sure when

0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 2>she told everyone what she got.

0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:17.600
<v Speaker 3>For the first thing I want to do after an emergency,

0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:19.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah is a video.

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Explainer, so monikey. She claimed that the three well armed

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 2>men kidnapped her and her husband. They were then dragged

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:30.040
<v Speaker 2>into the jungle where they were beaten and tortured. Her husband, Lucas,

0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:32.880
<v Speaker 2>was allegedly beaten until he agreed to hand over valuables

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:35.920
<v Speaker 2>like some gold chain or something, and she had been

0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:38.359
<v Speaker 2>posting about it before. That's what alerted them, Like you've

0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:40.879
<v Speaker 2>got that gold chain, we want that anyway in other

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 2>valuables as well. So the pair they're held in the

0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:45.720
<v Speaker 2>jungle against their will for hours, and then they eventually

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.200
<v Speaker 2>are ransomed off to their family, like if you pay,

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.239
<v Speaker 2>release them, and so then the family pays and then

0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 2>they get released. Elizabeth, you have to understand this story

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:56.799
<v Speaker 2>was extra scary for her fans and followers to hear

0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 2>because Monarchy was a mommy influencer.

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the twenty seven year old mother of small kids

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 2>told her fans and followers through tears, Elizabeth, Yeah, but

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:10.279
<v Speaker 2>and I quote, I spent hours in the woods. I

0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:11.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't know if I'd make it back.

0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:14.720
<v Speaker 3>Where were her kids when this was happening.

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Behind the camera. She also claimed that from what she

0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 2>could recall, there was a river there and the whole time,

0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:23.680
<v Speaker 2>I thought they were going to kill me and throw

0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:26.839
<v Speaker 2>me in there and I'd never see anyone again. All

0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 2>I could think about was my children. Meanwhile, all she

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:33.279
<v Speaker 2>could think about were her children, right, so, wherever they were,

0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:36.360
<v Speaker 2>she had to witness her husband get his face rearranged

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 2>by the bad men while she's thinking about her children,

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:40.799
<v Speaker 2>or she put it, they beat up Lucas they were

0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:43.280
<v Speaker 2>after some gold chains I'd posted about, and I said

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:46.120
<v Speaker 2>those gold chains weren't mine, which is like a big

0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:49.920
<v Speaker 2>time influencer truth, Like I was boring, right, stuff exactly.

0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:53.759
<v Speaker 2>That's not my private plane. So this all obviously sounds horrendous, right,

0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:55.960
<v Speaker 2>It's like something that might happen to a real celebrity,

0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Like when Kim Kardashian got robbed for her jewelry in Paris.

0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:03.080
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was fake, of course. I mean, I'm

0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 2>right there with young on the fence.

0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:06.960
<v Speaker 3>But everything, Zaron, everything's sake.

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:09.359
<v Speaker 2>See, I go both ways on my things. I'm like,

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:11.319
<v Speaker 2>this could be fake. It might not be fake. I'm

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 2>like that old Taoist story about the horse, like when

0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:16.239
<v Speaker 2>they they go, yes, this happened, I'm like, it could

0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:17.600
<v Speaker 2>be yeah, maybe, I don't know.

0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:19.400
<v Speaker 3>Every time you say to me, did you see like

0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:23.080
<v Speaker 3>when celebrities like get into relationships, I'm convinced they're all fake.

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you always say that this is pr and I

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:29.840
<v Speaker 2>believe on this set and they were both reading the

0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:35.399
<v Speaker 2>same book Nothing's real. So in this Brazilian influencer's case,

0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:38.440
<v Speaker 2>her story wasn't as believable as a Kardashian tail. So

0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:42.279
<v Speaker 2>because when the Brazilian police investigated the alleged attack, they

0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:44.879
<v Speaker 2>found that there were no well armed bad men who

0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:48.080
<v Speaker 2>beat and tortured the couple instead, the police claimed it

0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:51.240
<v Speaker 2>was all a stage stunt meant to build online cloud

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 2>for Monique Fraka. You see the police they did their job.

0:49:54.719 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah they would they first, they have a job. When

0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:00.000
<v Speaker 2>they first heard of the alleged kidnapping, they launched a huge,

0:50:00.160 --> 0:50:04.120
<v Speaker 2>sprawling operation to investigate the crime. And as they investigated,

0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:08.520
<v Speaker 2>they found evidence of her story didn't line up with reality. Shocker,

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:12.120
<v Speaker 2>no right, So, according to Detective Clay Anderson, as the

0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:15.759
<v Speaker 2>investigation progressed, it found indications that the alleged kidnapped for

0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 2>ransom was in fact nothing more than a plot between

0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 2>the supposed victim and one of the perpetrators. So that's

0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:25.280
<v Speaker 2>when the police launched a second investigation into the couple,

0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:28.839
<v Speaker 2>an operation which they called smoke Screen of Likes.

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:31.360
<v Speaker 3>Smoke screen of likes.

0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Instead of lies. Likes is a one. Yeah, so I guess.

0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:38.440
<v Speaker 3>Go back, start from the drawing board on this. We

0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:39.920
<v Speaker 3>need to workshop the tel.

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it sounds better than the original Portuguese Perhaps, as

0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Detective Anderson told local press, the investigation suggests she's not

0:50:47.640 --> 0:50:50.719
<v Speaker 2>only knew about it, but agreed things in advance and

0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:54.600
<v Speaker 2>stayed in contact with one of those involved afterwards.

0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:56.759
<v Speaker 3>She like hired her boyfriend.

0:50:56.800 --> 0:50:58.600
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm thinking. See, now we're on the city.

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:00.600
<v Speaker 3>I like to imagine them just sitting in the woods,

0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 3>punching each other in the face. Her husband cooked it out,

0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:05.000
<v Speaker 3>maybe with the rock.

0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, try this one.

0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:10.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh oh that's too hard, too hard. But yeah, now okay, yeah,

0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:13.200
<v Speaker 3>so let's just say I'm gonna put on my.

0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Detective hat please.

0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:17.319
<v Speaker 3>She she had her boyfriend beat him up.

0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I like that. I like where your head's at, good

0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:20.719
<v Speaker 2>and suspicious.

0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:21.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:25.279
<v Speaker 2>So, once thirty officers were taking part in the operation

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Smoke Screen of Likes, then it came a series of

0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:32.040
<v Speaker 2>arrests and property searches as the truth of the stage

0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:34.799
<v Speaker 2>attack began to come to light. It was revealed that

0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:38.759
<v Speaker 2>it was partly true since the influencer Frago's husband was

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:41.960
<v Speaker 2>unaware that the beating was fake, because it sure felt

0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:45.040
<v Speaker 2>real to him when he was getting beaten and tortured.

0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:46.520
<v Speaker 3>When his teeth were all over the floor.

0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was legit beaten. She arranged that part, like beat.

0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:52.799
<v Speaker 3>Him up, but didn't she she supposedly got beaten, but yeah,

0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:53.800
<v Speaker 3>not really, we've.

0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Been She didn't walk out with the the way he looks, yeah, exactly.

0:51:56.520 --> 0:51:59.560
<v Speaker 2>So back to Detective Anderson, as he said, at all times,

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:02.279
<v Speaker 2>he has maintained that he genuinely believed it was a

0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:06.080
<v Speaker 2>real kidnapping. Now, meanwhile, despite evidence that she arranged the

0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:09.040
<v Speaker 2>kidnapping of her and her husband, she was also in

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:11.960
<v Speaker 2>contact with one of the three alleged kidnappers, her boyfriend,

0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and she insists that she's innocent and she knows nothing

0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:18.320
<v Speaker 2>about any publicity stunt right. Yeah, she faces now charges

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:22.040
<v Speaker 2>of blackmail, also wasting police time with a phony man hunt,

0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:23.520
<v Speaker 2>and obstruction of justice.

0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:23.919
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Trouble for her is one of her alleged accomplices is

0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:29.279
<v Speaker 2>now behind bars and another one is facing charges for

0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:32.959
<v Speaker 2>receiving the ransom cash her boyfriend. I'm willing to bet

0:52:33.040 --> 0:52:35.759
<v Speaker 2>that one, if not both, oh yeah, are likely to

0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:39.200
<v Speaker 2>testify against her in exchange for lesser charges. So there

0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:41.960
<v Speaker 2>you go. A quick around the world survey of faked

0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:46.400
<v Speaker 2>emergencies for fun and profit and fraud with tourists.

0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:47.239
<v Speaker 3>That's incredible.

0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:49.920
<v Speaker 2>This leaves me to ask you, Elizabeth, Yeah, what's our

0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 2>ridiculous takeaway here?

0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:56.759
<v Speaker 5>Everything is fake, that is, and it's only worse now

0:52:56.800 --> 0:52:59.759
<v Speaker 5>with AI, like, because we were already bad just on

0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:00.240
<v Speaker 5>our own.

0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:02.759
<v Speaker 2>And now we've introduced the worst bad actor you can.

0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, we have. We've had like lies about you know,

0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:08.759
<v Speaker 3>world events from governments. Oh okay, so we have like

0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:11.719
<v Speaker 3>the top level bad lies. And then you can just

0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:12.560
<v Speaker 3>it just keeps going.

0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Influences start lying about their like what their lives are like.

0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:16.400
<v Speaker 2>But oftentimes they're.

0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:19.359
<v Speaker 3>Your whole thing is a lie. And then you have

0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:23.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, I think everything is a lie.

0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.799
<v Speaker 2>Also small time lies like oh yeah, boss, I'm at work,

0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm working remote. And then they like use like whatever

0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:31.520
<v Speaker 2>like however they do with your cursor to figure out

0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:33.920
<v Speaker 2>whether or not you're really logged on. So they are

0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:36.560
<v Speaker 2>alling even on the most smallest levels. Right, it's just

0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:37.719
<v Speaker 2>lies everywhere.

0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:41.200
<v Speaker 3>But it's also you know, it's we have built up

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:45.960
<v Speaker 3>this public persona of you know, not even just the influencers,

0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:48.920
<v Speaker 3>but you know, you look at people's social media persona

0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:51.600
<v Speaker 3>is a lie most of the time.

0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:52.480
<v Speaker 2>I totally agree.

0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:54.719
<v Speaker 3>You know, there are friends that I'm close with and

0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:57.000
<v Speaker 3>I see like what they put on social media.

0:53:57.280 --> 0:53:59.960
<v Speaker 2>True, yeah, it's like, well I was with you that day.

0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Well no, it's not even like a lie, but it's

0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:06.279
<v Speaker 3>like a misrepresentation and so you know, some of them

0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:08.520
<v Speaker 3>are more egregious, where you're like, I know that your

0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:12.000
<v Speaker 3>life is falling apart and you're looking like happy mommy.

0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:14.840
<v Speaker 3>It does, and I feel for you, you know, and

0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:18.200
<v Speaker 3>like mine like you. All of us curate, which I

0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:20.839
<v Speaker 3>hate that word, but we very carefully release like what

0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:21.960
<v Speaker 3>people can see.

0:54:22.320 --> 0:54:25.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I just I neither post things, right, don't.

0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:28.960
<v Speaker 2>The curation is what you post and what you don't. Well, no,

0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:30.960
<v Speaker 2>the don't is just like the picture didn't turn out.

0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Like if I take a picture to share it, I

0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:35.319
<v Speaker 2>share it. Yeah, there is no like, oh I want

0:54:35.360 --> 0:54:37.920
<v Speaker 2>to show people. I just take a picture of my life.

0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Right, it's not you're not trying to give a narrative.

0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:42.560
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't. I don't care what people think about me.

0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:44.759
<v Speaker 2>That's that's that's the big secret for me.

0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:45.680
<v Speaker 3>It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very honestly sharing. I'm like, look, I want you

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<v Speaker 2>guys to see this. Yeah, I mean it.

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<v Speaker 3>We create narratives, and we've always done that, even prior

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<v Speaker 3>to to social media. We create narratives to people that

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<v Speaker 3>we know.

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<v Speaker 2>See like I need traffic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we're like, no, I swear to God, like I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't doing that no, I really do have my seatbelt on.

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<v Speaker 2>I turned the music down. I make sure my seatbelt

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<v Speaker 2>is not behind me and actually over my shoulder.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So we we've always done that, right, but it

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<v Speaker 3>gets magnified with social media so that you can create

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<v Speaker 3>a narrative. And then the extreme of it are these

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<v Speaker 3>influencers who are going to create a narrative that doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>exist in reality of not even just like what they

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<v Speaker 3>look like. Like there was a thing that I saw

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<v Speaker 3>today about this this Chinese influencer who had a face

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<v Speaker 3>o filter on and it was slitching.

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<v Speaker 2>That the one in the car with the kid. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a different one. She was in Chinese.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, this this woman was like she's like a streamer,

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<v Speaker 3>influencer whatever it was. I think she's a streamer and

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<v Speaker 3>she was doing her thing and her face filter started flitching,

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<v Speaker 3>so it was like normal person anime figure. I went

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<v Speaker 3>back and forth, back and forth, and she lost all

0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:53.319
<v Speaker 3>these subscribers and all stuff, because it's like that's not

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<v Speaker 3>that's not reality.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and a lot of people who've been wearing the filters,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's very convincing too.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a lady who got abducted really and the

0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:04.520
<v Speaker 3>problem that the police had is that all the photos

0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:06.520
<v Speaker 3>that our family had were social media that were so

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<v Speaker 3>heavily filtered anything like yeah, just but yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>that's the thing. And like that's another thing. You you know,

0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:18.120
<v Speaker 3>you know people who you see their social media feed

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<v Speaker 3>and you're like, none of these.

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<v Speaker 2>Are years I saw you on Tuesday. That's not what

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<v Speaker 2>you look like.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not what you look like. And it's either the

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<v Speaker 3>filter or they hide behind like the kitty cat face

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, it's just strange. Well, so, I mean I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of go back to when you're in school and their

0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:33.200
<v Speaker 2>teachers will tell you about using a calculators, like, well,

0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:34.640
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to get better at math. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like also like if you go like in

0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:38.080
<v Speaker 2>the boy Scouts, like what they would tell you things

0:56:38.080 --> 0:56:40.799
<v Speaker 2>about like morality, which essentially, if you lie to others,

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<v Speaker 2>you're really lying to yourself because the rest of us

0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:45.000
<v Speaker 2>aren't paying that much attention, right, that's the thing, and

0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:46.960
<v Speaker 2>you start thinking that you've conned people, and so now

0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:50.239
<v Speaker 2>you're the one who's really believing your lies. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>my ridiculous takeaway. Elizabeth, Thanks for asking.

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<v Speaker 3>Good, that's glad. I'm glad you were able to get

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<v Speaker 3>that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that we've done that, are you in the mood

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<v Speaker 2>for talkback?

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<v Speaker 3>Always in the mood.

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<v Speaker 2>Produce a d Can you favors the one? Oh my God,

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<v Speaker 2>I love cheek.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi Elizabeth Zieron and producer D. I don't know if

0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:17.080
<v Speaker 4>I just sent you a message or not. I got

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<v Speaker 4>very confused. It's the Messa from Texas. I listened to

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<v Speaker 4>your Dolphin episode. I really wanted to tell you that.

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<v Speaker 4>When I was a kid, one of my favorite movies

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<v Speaker 4>was this horrible movie called Dave of the Dolphins starring

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<v Speaker 4>George C. Scott is awful. You must see it. He

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<v Speaker 4>teaches the dolphins how to talk, and they talk like

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<v Speaker 4>this podcast mackness back and as an adult I realized

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<v Speaker 4>how bad it was.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's full of intrigue. There are hush the dolphins

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<v Speaker 3>are trying to silence her. That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything with George's gottall watch anything with dolphins. I will

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<v Speaker 2>watch if they're together. This hit it's on.

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<v Speaker 3>It's on.

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