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Speaker 2: That's how you close a game, not just by Christian

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Speaker 2: the Rams win a game in the division without scoring

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Speaker 2: a rainy night in Santa Clara. It's dry here in

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Speaker 2: so he's an expert, and I liked how they ended there.

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Speaker 2: You send some pressure on a hail Mary. Don't even

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Speaker 3: Out, Rosenthal. I'm touched, I am flattered. I am honored

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Speaker 3: to be back on this pod, longtime listener, first time

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Speaker 3: the start of Week one. I am honored to be here.

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Speaker 2: We miss you, buddy, But look, Andrew one of the

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Speaker 2: talk a little Rams forty nine Ers. And you've watched

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Speaker 3: And crazy thing is these teams combined for eighty two

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Speaker 3: I think the fourth quarter of those last two drives

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So Kobe Turner, they had a great stat on

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Speaker 2: Kobe Turner gets the pressure right in his face. Bradon

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Speaker 3: JMI is so good at what he does.

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Speaker 2: Dan Miller's great. I put him on.

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Speaker 3: Dan Miller at the Lions is amazing but fun. Fun fact.

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Speaker 2: born back there. I don't know that play. That interception

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Speaker 3: what price? And oh my god, do we pay him

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Speaker 3: The price is what the price is for the quarterback period,

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Speaker 2: No, but it can show some of the limitations. I

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Speaker 2: guess I would just say, does every quarterback have to

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Speaker 2: Right? Like, it'll be close enough. The differences aren't going

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Speaker 2: much better off with Patrick Taylor out there, or obviously

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Speaker 2: Isaac Garande, who by the way, I think they got

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Speaker 2: something there. He looks pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy can run, I mean, just as fast

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Speaker 3: as it gets And Patrick Taylor. You ever go back

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Speaker 3: and look at that Memphis team, all the guys they

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Speaker 3: had on that Mat fifteen.

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I didn't even know Patrick Taylor went

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Speaker 2: to Memphis.

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Speaker 3: So here you want, this might be like the greatest

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Speaker 3: I should know this.

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Speaker 2: It's going to Tulane's biggest rivals, always a problem for Tulane.

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Speaker 3: So at one point Memphis had Antonio Gibson, Darryl Henderson,

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Speaker 3: Patrick Taylor. Okay, Kenneth gain Well and one other guy

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Speaker 3: I can't remember. Hold on Darryl Henderson and Tony Pollard. Oh,

446
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Speaker 3: I knew there was someone way and Calvin Austin Man.

447
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Speaker 3: They were all on the same twenty eighteen Memphis team.

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Speaker 2: They know where to find them. And yeah Taylor was

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Speaker 2: in there. But if you started Grendo in fantasy, a

450
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Speaker 2: lot of people were on the borderline this week, like

451
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Speaker 2: he didn't do great, but he got just seventy five yards. Pookinakua,

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Speaker 2: by the way, like even on a night where he

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Speaker 2: had nothing in the first half, breaks open for a

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Speaker 2: plus fifty yard or the forty nine ers actually are

455
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Speaker 2: the best in the entire NFL at preventing plus twenty catches.

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Speaker 2: They hadn't in weeks, so it is hard to get

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Speaker 2: behind that defense. Puka is just on another level. Even

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Speaker 2: in a night like this where they could not throw

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Speaker 2: the ball at all, he goes seven for ninety seven.

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Speaker 2: Cooper Cup did not have a catch, which is absolutely wild,

461
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Speaker 2: But that that shows you who's the one, who's the

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Speaker 2: two The Rams, as you mentioned, they have the Jets,

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals, and the Seahawks down the stretch. The next

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Speaker 2: Gen Stats has them as fifty to fifty to make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. I feel like it's a little more because

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Speaker 2: it just to me feels like, well, if they if

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Speaker 2: they win eight week eighteen, they're in. And I give

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Speaker 2: them a better than fifty percent chance of doing that

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Speaker 2: because it's at home. But the Seahawks will have something

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Speaker 2: to say about it. We thought this was going to

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Speaker 2: be a four team race. It really now looks like

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Speaker 2: a two team race. And a sweet victory for Rams

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Speaker 2: and their coach and Sean McVay.

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Speaker 3: The Jets game, the Rams now get the extra time.

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Speaker 3: Who knows what the Jets going to look like in

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Speaker 3: two weeks, three days before Christmas and and Week seventeen

477
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Speaker 3: is a flex game that very well could be a

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Speaker 3: Saturday one of the NFL Network triubleheader games, and then

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Speaker 3: Sunday could be flexed Week eighteen to Sunday night, so

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Speaker 3: you could have two.

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Speaker 2: They're going to be in. They're going to be in

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Speaker 2: the mix here down the stretch, and you will as well.

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Speaker 2: Now one of the reasons you're on tonight was we

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Speaker 2: thought we'd get you for a Rams I mean a

485
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Speaker 2: Browns post TNF game where you're doing the game and

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Speaker 2: you would have been trying to do double duty and

487
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Speaker 2: do NFL Daily afterwards, but they actually flex the Browns

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Speaker 2: out as Brown's Bengals, and now it's next week it's

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Speaker 2: Broncos Chargers. So I feel like this is a little

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Speaker 2: treat that I got to spend a little time virtually

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Speaker 2: with my friend Andrew, and we get you those great

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Speaker 2: pipes and your great knowledge on NFL Daily. Appreciate you, Andrew.

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Speaker 3: Hey man, I've had a blast. As I said at

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Speaker 3: the top, honored and flattered that you invited me. We

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Speaker 3: could have done after the Browns and Steelers in the

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Speaker 3: snow because I'd wait for like an hour to get

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Speaker 3: out of there. The snow was so bad and the

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Speaker 3: traffic was so bad. I had all the time in

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Speaker 3: the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a sneaky classic. I've enjoyed watching the

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Speaker 2: Browns this year after Deshaun Watson was gone. They've they've

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Speaker 2: been pretty entertaining, so hopefully they keep it. Maybe maybe

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Speaker 2: they can have their Super Bowl moment this Sunday against

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs. I hope for your sake, I should have

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Speaker 2: waited this song in the show to mention we're not

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Speaker 2: just talking T and F on this program. Our friend

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Speaker 2: Ali Connolly, who's been on NFL Daily multiple times, just

508
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Speaker 2: happened to basically break the Bill Belichick story. And I'm

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Speaker 2: such a fan of Ali's and have been obviously a

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Speaker 2: fan and a close watcher at Belichick and the whole

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Speaker 2: story is fascinating to me. So we're gonna throw it

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Speaker 2: after the break to a conversation with myself and Ali Connolly.

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Speaker 2: He's going to talk about kind of what went into

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Speaker 2: the decision, what's next for the Belichick clan. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: about how we think it'll all work. We'll do that

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Speaker 2: again after the break. Thank you, Andrew Well. It will

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Speaker 2: be the first time, it will not be the last.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to having you again back in the All right,

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Speaker 2: welcoming into the program. We could not escape this week

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Speaker 2: before talking to our friend Ollie Connolly of the read

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Speaker 2: Optional substack. If if you weren't subscribed already, like you,

522
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Speaker 2: got to check out his piece on Bill Belichick joining

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Speaker 2: UNC earlier this week. Ali, I mean, I'm just looking

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Speaker 2: at Twitter, looking at Blue Sky, and I'm hearing, oh,

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Speaker 2: did you did you see this Belichick news? I was like, no,

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Speaker 2: what is it? And I look at and the news

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Speaker 2: is from Ollie Connolly, our friend who was on NFL

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Speaker 2: Daily within the first couple of weeks of us launching,

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Speaker 2: and we did a very you know scene podcast about

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Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins. We'll get to that later, and then was

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Speaker 2: with us on one of my favorite episodes of the year.

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Speaker 2: The London Recap actually brought broke the news that Bill

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Speaker 2: Belichick was looking hard at this UNC job and was

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Speaker 2: the first to report it, Like, how the hell did

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Speaker 2: this happen? Ali, And are you enjoying your victory.

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Speaker 4: Lab enjoying a victory lop? I guess not. It's a

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Speaker 4: weird one. I'm not usually in the news breaking game.

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Speaker 4: I think people saw me do that. They're like, wait

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Speaker 4: a second, is he just like making a joke? He

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Speaker 4: must be this the wid scheme guy no one knows

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Speaker 4: in some attic in Manchester. I don't think this could

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Speaker 4: be true. Is this Cousins? Is this a journalist? Who

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Speaker 4: is this person? So? Yeah, a bit peculiar but interesting nonetheless, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So kind of to back it up, maybe some people

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Speaker 2: were confused too, because the whole situation was confusing. There

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Speaker 2: was no way for you to escape that. When you

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Speaker 2: first reported that Belichick was taking the job, Essentially the

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Speaker 2: job didn't exist. It was essentially that it was, in

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Speaker 2: your words, accepting a job that he was proposing that

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Speaker 2: the UNC would have to do all these things upgrades

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Speaker 2: and investments and jobs, not just his job, but a

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Speaker 2: general manager, which we've now found out is going to

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Speaker 2: be Michael Lombardi and all of this, this four hundred

554
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Speaker 2: page organizational bible essentially that he gave to them, like

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Speaker 2: how did this come to you? Or whatever you're comfortable saying,

556
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Speaker 2: or just like how did this come about? In reality,

557
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Speaker 2: less about you and more just about like how did

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Speaker 2: this happen?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that Look, the NFL situations were closed

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Speaker 4: off that he had from why I understand one conversation

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Speaker 4: with one team who had a current coach. None of

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Speaker 4: the teams with vacancies were interested. The conversation did not

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Speaker 4: go well, probably worse than the conversations went last year

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Speaker 4: when he had obviously one interview, as everyone knows, and

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Speaker 4: didn't make the finalists top three finalists for the Falcons job.

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Speaker 4: And I think it was pretty clear the NFL was

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Speaker 4: unlikely to be an optional at least in the way

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Speaker 4: he would want it to be, and obviously control as

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Speaker 4: a huge element for him and not his control, but

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Speaker 4: who he can actually staff a building with in every department,

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Speaker 4: not just on the coaching staff. And that the thing

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Speaker 4: that has jumped out to me throughout all of this,

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Speaker 4: and the reason why I kind of went with it

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Speaker 4: early compared to everyone else is they've been looking at

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Speaker 4: college gigs for like a year. This was not like

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Speaker 4: this one popped up and I wrote a too long story.

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Speaker 4: Today people can go and read. It's eight thousand words.

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Speaker 4: It gets into every single detail of what's happened over

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Speaker 4: a season. They were doing background research on how things

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Speaker 4: went wrong for Bill Walsh when he returned to college

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Speaker 4: as an NFL legend out of the game for three seasons,

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Speaker 4: had three Super Bowls, went back to Stamford, and it

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Speaker 4: went pretty miserably for Bill Walsh. They were looking into

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Speaker 4: what went wrong there with a legend term media personality,

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Speaker 4: turn college football coach, and it got my antenna up

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Speaker 4: of Oh, it's interesting, you guys are all reading this book.

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Speaker 2: I want to read that book now too. It's called

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Speaker 2: Rough Magic. It's by Lowell Cone. Who oh, look he's

589
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Speaker 2: holding it up. We're such dorks. Because I actually I

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Speaker 2: thought like, this is a good time to kind of

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Speaker 2: just talk a little, you know, football dork book Like

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Speaker 2: behind me, if you're watching on YouTube, you can see

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Speaker 2: my little football library that my wife made me put

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Speaker 2: out into the garage. I don't know if these books

595
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Speaker 2: are going to get ruin, but yeah, I got some

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Speaker 2: favorites here too. There's like that book The Genius about

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Speaker 2: Bill Walsh, which by David Harris, which kind of was

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Speaker 2: sad and made me think he didn't really enjoy being

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Speaker 2: Bill Walsh. Totally. One thing I got from your article

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Speaker 2: and again read optional everyone subscribed, Like I don't ask

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Speaker 2: for much. You know, we have advertising stuff, but support

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Speaker 2: good football writing and great football podcasting. I've been checking

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Speaker 2: out all these podcasts with John Ledyard for a while

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Speaker 2: and it's really worth it. But the written article that

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Speaker 2: you mentioned today is fascinating and it got me sort

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Speaker 2: of thinking we'll get back to like the NFL not

607
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Speaker 2: wanting him, but what does Bill Belichick really want in life?

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Speaker 2: It's why I took the UNC stuff seriously just from

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Speaker 2: seeing it. Obviously that it was from you, but there

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Speaker 2: were other people too, cause it made sense like Bill

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Speaker 2: Belichick's not enjoying being in the media, Like what is

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Speaker 2: going to make him happy in life. If it's going

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Speaker 2: to be coaching, and if the NFL is not giving

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Speaker 2: him a job or he's unsure, if he could possibly

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Speaker 2: get a job, then I'll coach where I can coach.

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Speaker 2: And like that group that you're talking about around him,

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Speaker 2: that's maybe reading the book, like is it safe to

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Speaker 2: say it's like the same? It's the same. It's like

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Speaker 2: it's the.

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Speaker 4: Same cast of characters that everyone could reel off their hands,

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Speaker 4: including miss still Embodi, who was named general manager within

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Speaker 4: twenty minutes of Build.

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Speaker 2: Well and you reported too on that Stephen Belichick's involvement

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Speaker 2: is part of the whole deal at you.

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Speaker 4: And see Yeah, and a conversation going in of I

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Speaker 4: would like this in writing that he would be head

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Speaker 4: coaching waiting some kind of guarantee. I think that was

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Speaker 4: a real big like whoa, that's not really what we're

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Speaker 4: interested in. But as you were saying before, he went

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Speaker 4: in and just shopped for the moon, if I'm going

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Speaker 4: to do this, we need to be competitive. We need

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Speaker 4: to go from being an academic institution with a famous

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Speaker 4: basketball team to being a football school. It's a football program,

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Speaker 4: it's a football factory that I control and that just

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Speaker 4: happens to be tied to a school that was the plan,

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Speaker 4: that was the pit. This is what you need. Resources, staffing,

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Speaker 4: two separate staffs, right, a recruiting staff. That is not

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Speaker 4: for me. I'm good, Michael, and someone else will control

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Speaker 4: that for me. There'll be the conduit. I'll sign things off,

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Speaker 4: I'll watch some tape, I'll close the deals like Deon

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Speaker 4: does at Colorado, and I'll run the football side. I'll

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Speaker 4: bring all my friends and we'll get the NFL guys.

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Speaker 4: I'll get some guys I know from college, and I'll

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Speaker 4: run the football department and be just the CEO of

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Speaker 4: the program. And I think, to your point about what

646
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Speaker 4: did he want? That's the real difference in Diacosmic between Walsh.

647
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 4: That's why the book is so fascinating. Why it's so

648
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 4: interesting that they were reading this a year ago, is

649
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 4: Walsh went back into school to kind of prove something

650
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 4: to himself about his offensive system. Thought he missed coaching,

651
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 4: thought he missed the whistle and the grass and being

652
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: around the players. But it was really internally about Bill

653
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 4: Walsh in his struggle with like losing a grip on

654
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: being the coach, like the personality of genius coach man,

655
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 4: whereas Bill Belichick realized, I just missed the actual coaching,

656
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 4: the technique of it, actually having the whistle, being involved

657
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 4: with people, data, being with my son in the film

658
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 4: room and breaking down things. We don't spend a lot

659
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: of time together. My grandkids are all over the place,

660
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 4: ozol being in one hub. I'm not going to get

661
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 4: that in Jacksonville. I'm not going to get that in Dallas.

662
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 4: I can get it in Carolina, and I'll do it

663
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 4: if they acquiesce to ten thousand things. I need to

664
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 4: make it competitive so I don't embarrass myself and spoil

665
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 4: my legacy at the end here and they agree twittle.

666
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: Right, he's competitive, and so I think he wrote great,

667
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: great about it. It's multiple things can be true that

668
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: it's the joy of it. He's getting towards the end

669
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: of the life. Hell, I'm in my mid forties. I

670
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: think about the end of life and like what matters

671
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: and finding my joy and everything like on an hourly basis.

672
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: I'm sure Bill Belichick does as well. And so having

673
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: that opportunity to just like coach with his son like

674
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: that to me and just coaching in general probably is

675
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: the biggest job, but like he also knows about legacy,

676
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: he doesn't want his last game coaching. And I had

677
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: to check this out be a seventeen to three loft

678
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: of the Jets. It is sad like coachings always end poorly,

679
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: like Vince Lombardi more or less died on the job

680
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: for coaching a mediocre Washington team, which is you know,

681
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: about as sad as it gets. Like that didn't ruin

682
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: his legacy, no one, no one really cares, No one

683
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: really remembers that Bill what Bill Belichick. That is not

684
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: going to change. But I did have to go check

685
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: that their last game. I mean, it can't get lower

686
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: than this ended the Patriots fifteen game winning streak over

687
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: the Jets, and it was to the Trevor Simeon led Jets,

688
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 2: which it was zappy zammy going twelve for thirty.

689
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 4: And it was in the snow, if your remember, and

690
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 4: snow was like clustering on his face and it was

691
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 4: just like the most said, depressing. And the legacy thing

692
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 4: to me is interesting because people are bending around this

693
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 4: idea of the winds record, right like always gonna come

694
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 4: back to the wins record. In what world did anyone

695
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 4: even care about the wins record. Frankly before, like three

696
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 4: four years ago, was that even a brow up eva

697
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 4: in the case of his Don Shoele better than Bill Belichick. No,

698
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 4: we go by Lombardi's mostly all innovation, right. I was

699
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 4: asking people about that midway through, being like, is this

700
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 4: really going to swing a decision, Like, surely if someone

701
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 4: just came to him with the same offer of you

702
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 4: run a franchise, he take the NFL. The answer is yes,

703
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: that was not going to happen in this go around,

704
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 4: and he did not want to be left at the altar.

705
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 4: It publicly embarrassed again that he was left out of

706
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 4: a hiring cycle, So we jumped at the first opportunity

707
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 4: that was there that would meet his demands. The boat

708
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 4: that he has is called eight rings, it's not called

709
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 4: three hundred and thirty three wins. He does not care

710
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: about the wins record. He cares about the championships. That's

711
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 4: what drives him. And then the coaching day to day

712
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 4: aspect I think is really really critical that being able

713
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 4: to be on the field every day teaching technique the

714
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 4: things that he really enjoys, and doing it with a

715
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 4: group of coaches who are essentially family at this point.

716
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 4: That's why they all hang around with him all the time.

717
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: We may think that some of them are laughable or funny,

718
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 4: when they go to the places, they're really meaningful to him.

719
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 4: And so to be able to get them all back

720
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 4: together again coaching, I think is the reason why he's

721
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 4: doing this.

722
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt Patricia outside of the Patriots ecosystem probably worthy

723
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: of your laughs. But he worked inside. He worked inside

724
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: the Patriots ecosystem. Lombardi, that's a bit of a red flag.

725
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: Always was. I always was like, huh, Like when you'd

726
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: see them at the combine and they're at Shula's ironically

727
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: they now closed bar and steak place, and it's it's

728
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: just Belichick and Lombardi, or it's like Belichick, Lombardi and

729
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: one other coach or whatever, and you're like, he really

730
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: likes this guy, Like this is really the guy he

731
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: wants to bounce off of. And so I think there

732
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: is a concern that, Okay, it makes sense he wants

733
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: to silo. I don't want to deal with the money

734
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: part of it, and IL like, I think Bill Barty

735
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: has gotta do it. But man, I'm a little concerned

736
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: that Lombardi's in charge of all that.

737
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 4: I think the misunderstanding of the Lombardi thing is from

738
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 4: what I understand, is that is very much as a

739
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: buffer for all the college bullsh you have to deal with.

740
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 4: When does the boost to club meeting and Bill's supposed

741
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 4: to go, and people be disappointed because Bill doesn't want

742
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: to go do the boost to club meeting. He wants

743
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 4: to be watching film of Wake Forest or Richmond, I guess,

744
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 4: because that's who they have to play next. He'son, not

745
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 4: the Bengals, not the Cowboys. He's gonna of play Richmond

746
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: next season. That's actually a thing that's happening with Bill Belichick.

747
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: He's going to be playing against the two lane excellent

748
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: red shirt freshman Darien Mensa, who was ESPN's number one

749
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: guy in the portal. He left us and he's now

750
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: at Duke. So the big Darien Mensa versus Belichi game,

751
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: it like blows my mind.

752
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 4: Sorry, but Lombardy is nothing if not smooth and comfortable

753
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: in like c sweet situations, and so I think as

754
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 4: sending him along as kind of like the chaperone of

755
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 4: a face of the program behind the scenes is the

756
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 4: filter t Bill helps them deal with all the shenaniguns

757
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 4: people like Bill Belichie doesn't want to go and do

758
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 4: those things. He doesn't want to go to the luncheon. Well,

759
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 4: you said, Michael Lombardi, who can glad hand and smile

760
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 4: and is charismatic with these people, and that limits some

761
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 4: of the impact. I know you can roll your eyes,

762
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 4: and I agree with you, But in those circles. You

763
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 4: know this too, that he can at least operate in

764
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: those situations.

765
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: For No, that's an important skill. I always thought one

766
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: of Mike Tannenbaum's best skill. And I like Mike tannanbamb

767
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: He's obviously extremely intelligent, but one of his best skills

768
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: is like he's good at talking to owners. Someone needs

769
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: to be able to do that, and Lombardy can maybe

770
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: fulfill that service kind of be a high level almost

771
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: assistant on some level, like a personal assistant, but on

772
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: a more like business you know, football, Like do you

773
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: think Bill Belichick will be a good college coach? Let's

774
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: just like take out the nil and recruiting and everything else,

775
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: like brass tax, He's gonna be game planning for these teams.

776
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: Like what do you think that looks like?

777
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's gonna be gamed against Darbo Sweeney and Mario Cristobal.

778
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 4: I feel pretty confident that Bill Belichick will be okay. Frankly,

779
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 4: I think any notion that he's not is pretty silly.

780
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 4: I do think there's an interesting thing going on in

781
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 4: college sports schematically at the football level, where the college

782
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 4: game was more advanced than the NFL defensively four, five,

783
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 4: six years ago, because you could just have so many

784
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 4: people on campus for so long to sustained amount of

785
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 4: time that guys like could be smart and Nick Saban

786
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 4: have more complex systems than people in the NFL, where

787
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 4: you're bringing a street free agent to play come back

788
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 4: for one week, and you're not able to install systems

789
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 4: year after year after year, where they have a lot

790
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 4: of reading on the fly complex things as now every

791
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: season has just build a team year by year, bring

792
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 4: this transfer and bring that transfer in. I do think

793
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 4: that it's going to become less complex, and that, to

794
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 4: me is the thing I'm looking forward to seeing is

795
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 4: how complex does Bill Belichick want to be? That was

796
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 4: the thing Bill Wolsh running two, did not want to

797
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 4: change what he thought was the perfect football system for

798
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: the college level, But then He's also the most adaptable

799
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 4: coach we've ever seen. That's the greatness. The greatness is

800
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 4: not one great scheme, one great innovation. It's knowing how

801
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 4: to tailor the scheme to the players he has available,

802
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: and how to teach basically everything in football on all

803
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 4: sides of the ball, special teams, offense, defense, And so

804
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 4: I think if you give this guy a chance to

805
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 4: be adaptable week to week defensively against what college has

806
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 4: to offer, that I honestly think he'd run circles around

807
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 4: them defensively.

808
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to agree because that never left it.

809
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: And you made that point too in the article, like

810
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: they were eighth and EPA for play allowed last year

811
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: the Patriots, but they actually improved after it came out

812
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: of that. Belichick was essentially gonna get fired. But that

813
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: does leave the offensive side, like as jet like we

814
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 2: haven't heard any reporting like is it gonna be Joshua

815
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: McDaniels there. I would feel better about that than like,

816
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: you know, we're sending Matt Patricia back over to the

817
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 2: offensive side. It's like, you know, he so he didn't

818
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: have like a magic wand that was gonna be able

819
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: to fix what was going on on the Patriots offensive

820
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: side the last couple of years.

821
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 4: No, but I think that I would be really surprised

822
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 4: if there were not at least a bunch of little

823
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 4: minnoni hot shot r PO kings rolling around them with

824
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 4: friends with Steven or have got a recommendation from Jed

825
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 4: Fish or Nick Saban and guys who can at least

826
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 4: put inpatim. I have no idea what it's gonna look like.

827
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 4: Will he try and do the Herm Edwards things where

828
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 4: it's like, actually an NFL team in college football that

829
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 4: becomes a disaster and everyone gets in legal trouble, Like

830
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 4: that's plausible, this is Bill Belichick. But I would think

831
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 4: the just be wanting to win will override the rest

832
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 4: of it.

833
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like excited to see it. And he's so

834
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: he's so cognizant of football history, But I don't. I

835
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: don't think like he's going to be like a prisoner

836
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 2: to that, Like he grew up on college campus. So

837
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: another book I have here, you know, sitting here is

838
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: The Old Football Scouting Methods by Steve Belichick, which you

839
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: know he wrote at the US Naval Academy and famously

840
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 2: got to stay there forever and never never tried to

841
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: become the head coach in a way because he thought

842
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: it was more stable and he had a better family life.

843
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: And you know, that's basically where Belichick grew up as

844
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: a kid and as a coach on some level, because

845
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: he was essentially a coach as a fourteen year old

846
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: hanging out with his dad. And now he can kind

847
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: of return the favor. I'm I'm optimistic as a Belichick Belichickian,

848
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: like I've gotten used to this already. It makes sense

849
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 2: to me that the NFL ultimately wasn't that interested, which,

850
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: like Art, do you think like teams are making a

851
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: mistake by not wanting Belichick at the NFL level?

852
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 4: I think I don't they're making a mistake if it

853
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 4: was that you're we're going to hand a seventy three

854
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 4: year old at the start of the next season our

855
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 4: entire operation from the nutrition staff to the analytics department

856
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 4: for what three four five seasons that I completely understand.

857
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 4: That team just don't operate that way anymore. They're really siloed.

858
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 4: They bring coaches in, and now the coaching staffs are

859
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 4: so transient. Some quarterback coach goes here, some guy comes

860
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 4: over here you get an assistant head coach the following season, right,

861
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 4: So I get that as just the coach. It is

862
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: still my numbing to me and just jaw dropping that

863
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 4: eleven months ago, we as a collective public, I think, Greg,

864
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 4: you're probably doing this too, right. We're discussing maybe acting

865
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 4: Nick Siriani to slide in Bill Belichick and just looking

866
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 4: at different circumstances of competitive playoff teams. Would they be

867
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 4: better off letting go of their good to average to

868
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 4: maybe very good coach in place of Bill Belichick? And

869
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 4: eleven months later he's going to a middle class second

870
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 4: to college football program.

871
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, middle class is generous. I mean it's in an

872
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: upper class relatively, you know conference, but it's at the

873
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: bottom of it the ACC, which which is an opportunity

874
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 2: for him, you know, kind of you wanted the old

875
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: parcels'sm You want to take over the team when they're

876
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: at the bottom. You're right. That Eagles example, though, that

877
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: was maybe the one because there was reporting by Seth

878
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 2: Wickersham that he was telling the Falcons that he didn't

879
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: need to take over all the operations. But if you're

880
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: the GM there, you know, there's just no way you

881
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: buy that.

882
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: There's no way you'd buy he has a thirty year

883
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 4: trek record.

884
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: It's and it's and I think like the one of

885
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: the least admirable things you know, throughout this season if

886
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: you want to get on Belichick or certainly a bought

887
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: Lombardi's like they were hammering the Falcons, the Jets and

888
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: the Patriots in their media appearances. Especially Lombardi. He had

889
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: a little pet name like calling their GM and name

890
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: like over and it's like, okay, you're obviously just like

891
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: kind of I know.

892
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 4: And it's not like they hired a dundehead and at

893
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 4: London they got Rahie Morris. Right, this is a good hya,

894
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 4: this is a great coach. They know he's an excellent coach.

895
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: Whether it works or not long term, they signed a quarterback.

896
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: Maybe they should not have done like the You can

897
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 4: definitely quibble with the GM and whether he should have

898
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 4: got full power or just coach power, But to take

899
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 4: shots at them because you didn't get a coach job

900
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 4: when a very qualified, good coach got the job is

901
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 4: a bit struck, right.

902
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 2: Which is why I'm actually I'm glad he's going back

903
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: to coaching because if he was going to do the media,

904
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: like do it give us some real takes, But really

905
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: it's felt like settling scores and being as vague as

906
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: possible while he was doing his real job, which was

907
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: making this four hundred page bible and looking for another job.

908
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it is amazing how he could pull off

909
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: having eight different media jobs at the same time. What

910
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: do you think this manual was?

911
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: Like?

912
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: Are we ever going to see this manual?

913
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 4: Well? I know it's so frustrating. As I was told

914
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 4: I could release portions of it if he didn't get

915
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 4: the job. Then he got the job. That was a killer.

916
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 4: That was a kill and people really got carried away

917
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 4: with that. There was you know, justice for Colli stallions.

918
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 4: When he does it, it's a bible. When a white

919
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 4: job does it, it's a manifesto. I get all that,

920
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,959
Speaker 4: this is not an unusual thing. I get white Court

921
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 4: fire because it's Belichick. It's like, wow, what could possibly

922
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 4: be in that? Like that's the the thing you're holding

923
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 4: the book there. What Belichick has been writing for two years,

924
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 4: including in the final Patriots season, is his own version

925
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 4: of the Winning Edge. That's what he's been working on.

926
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: Bill Wilsch has this famous book Finding the Winning Edge

927
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: that every football guy has in their library and speaks

928
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: as like the Holy Bible, and you know, not exactly

929
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: a quick read for the average fan, but it is interesting.

930
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: It's basically how to build an organization and how to

931
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 2: coach from the ground up. And so I always thought

932
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: it would be interesting to see like an updated version

933
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: of that, and this would be that.

934
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he had a college one written and a

935
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 4: NFL one written. The reason why I report that at

936
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 4: the time that I thought was interesting is he tailor

937
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 4: made the college one for Carolina, right, So it's an

938
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 4: examination of the depth chart, it's transfer targets, it's why

939
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 4: would this man go through this trouble? Why there was

940
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 4: graphics in his presentation? Can you imagine Bill Belichick sat

941
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 4: at a laptop screen designing cool graphics about titands? I cannot. Therefore,

942
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 4: I was like, it's pretty clear these guys are interested

943
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 4: seriously in the job. If demands will be met, He's

944
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 4: not going to sit down on fote Shepette.

945
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: He did to work through his Bible. Well, he's definitely

946
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: got someone younger with him, right, He's he's got I mean,

947
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, my son is much better making slide

948
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: shows for his class than I'm he's got someone working

949
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: with him, but it shows, it shows how serious it

950
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: is he is. I'm excited about it like he's much.

951
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be much more fun to watch

952
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: from afar and cover than than have as like a

953
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: fellow media member. How how does it feel for you?

954
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: You know you're wearing that Boston hat. You're you're a

955
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: young guy. You know you've had some experience with this

956
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 2: coaching tree. You kind of reveal in the in the

957
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: article again, everyone check out the read optional substeck, like,

958
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: how does it feel to be a little speck a

959
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: little part of the Belichick story here? Yeah, the guy

960
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: who got it out there as that he's going to

961
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 2: unc shocked the world.

962
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 4: I guess I think my mistake is an inside it

963
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: if I'm critiquing myself as being almost too detailed. I

964
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 4: think I think if there's more vagaries people aliable, maybe

965
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 4: to leave it more. I kind of just put out

966
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 4: the exact contract, like in full, which I don't think

967
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 4: is normally out the inside a game goes, I think

968
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 4: you just say deal close or stumbling blocks rather than

969
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 4: articulating it.

970
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 2: But it feels slightly surreal.

971
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 4: I guess the payoff for having like tons of dunkin

972
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 4: Donuts with guys ten years ago around Boston College. You know,

973
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 4: maybe that's what it is. I'm writing twelve thousand words

974
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 4: about why Zach Bourne is the best offball linebacker in

975
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,479
Speaker 4: the NFL. You know, the reward is getting a twenty

976
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: four hour heads up on Bill Belichick.

977
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: I guess, mm, so you're going Bond over Warner for

978
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: your All Pro team? Oh wait, can you get two

979
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: off ball linebacker? They could both go there?

980
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 4: I think you could squeeze both in.

981
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of uh, you know football takes. You were

982
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: on an episode. First one on that you were on

983
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: an NFL daily was an episode entitled what if the

984
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 2: bad Kirk Cousins shows up? This year? It happened, Like ya,

985
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: talk about patting yourself on the back. This is a

986
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: big week, a big week, big month. You know you

987
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: famously look a lot like Kirk Cousins if you're watching

988
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: And how do you feel watching your namesake how he's

989
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: playing lately?

990
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 4: I feel sad watching it that these arm strength just

991
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 4: eroded in the middle of the season. It wasn't that

992
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 4: strong to begin with. He couldn't move. At the beginning

993
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 4: of the season, they had to overhall their entire offense

994
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 4: to hide the fact he couldn't move. And then they

995
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 4: got him to move a little bit and somehow that

996
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 4: seemed to evaporate his arm, And so there's elements of

997
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 4: it and then just making really really peculiar decisions because

998
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 4: he just cannot drive the ball into coverage anymore. So, Yeah,

999
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 4: and I've written and I believe that you took Michael

1000
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 4: Pennix with the first pick.

1001
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: This was always the bite you we're.

1002
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 4: Going to get yourself into what if this contract is

1003
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 4: a dud from the get go? And I think they've

1004
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: got a decision to make. In the decision I think

1005
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 4: will be go and find out what you have in

1006
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 4: the rookie sooner Robin Linter.

1007
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: I kind of get while they're sticking with him this

1008
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: one week because he really did do a lot of

1009
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 2: good things Kirk last week, like it felt like it

1010
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: was like you saw a lot of the things you

1011
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: wanted to see, but then you saw the two interceptions

1012
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: that kind of ruined the rest of the positive stuff.

1013
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: But I kind of would want to see it maybe

1014
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 2: for one more week before pulling the plug. Maybe I'm crazy,

1015
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm sentimental.

1016
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's sentimentality. We've seen him have like three,

1017
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 4: four or five solid week stretches in the season. But

1018
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 4: once the arm goes at that rate and you're playing

1019
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 4: week after week absorbing shots or refusing to take hits

1020
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 4: because they start to really really hurt when you're getting older,

1021
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what you can do around that. Which

1022
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 4: would be the concern is that he feels liable now

1023
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 4: for five ducks a game, and you're just really hoping

1024
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 4: that two of them don't wind up with the other team.

1025
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: It's depressing, but also makes me feel good because we

1026
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 2: really didn't do an episode quite like that during the

1027
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: rest of the preseason. That was just like a thought experiment,

1028
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 2: like everyone's just assuming that this is going to be

1029
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: some good, great Kirk Cousins experience. He wasn't always great,

1030
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: and even when he was healthy.

1031
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 4: It feels like they're answered to our question what happens

1032
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 4: is they're just like, let's try and hide and pretend

1033
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 4: like this isn't happening, and hopefully no one sees the

1034
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 4: stat lines of zero touchdowns fourteen turnovers in a three

1035
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 4: week run.

1036
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I mean they did such an admirable job.

1037
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: I thought he did too. It was almost like they

1038
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 2: were they were playing football with like these ankle weights

1039
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: and with just all sorts of restrictions in this tiny

1040
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: little box, and they were kind of making it work,

1041
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: which I thought was impressive for a while. Ali Connolly,

1042
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: he loves ball. Maybe that's why you got this story

1043
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: because they saw a like minded individual in Ali Connolly,

1044
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 2: like a little salty not afraid to puff his chest out.

1045
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: You sent me a text. If people thought I was

1046
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: more unsufferable before, wait till after this. But ultimately it's

1047
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: about the joy that you're getting from from this game.

1048
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 2: Very cool man. I'm glad uh that you know it happened,

1049
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: that it's going and you're gonna have to be the

1050
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 2: Belichick inside of the next couple of years, in addition

1051
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 2: to all the x's and o's on the NFL that

1052
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: you're doing at the read optional.

1053
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 4: I think it moved to North Carolina, might be on

1054
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 4: the cuts. This could be happening.

1055
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 2: Let's go. Yeah, Ali, if if you didn't know, is

1056
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: living over in the UK, that's where he was on

1057
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: that Week six recap. We got to get him on

1058
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 2: the NFL Daily more maybe in the offseason when the

1059
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: timing works out better. Thank you again, Olie, it has

1060
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: been a big week. Thank you everyone for tuning in

1061
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: and listening. We will be back on Friday with the

1062
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: Pick Show with Cynthia Freeland against the spread and yeah,

1063
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: when Bill Belichick has a freaking head coaching job again,

1064
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: you know football is back finally,