WEBVTT - Short: Isabella Art Theft

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everybody, this is Steve. Before this show starts, I

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to give everybody a little heads up. It

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<v Speaker 1>turns out we found out after we had recorded this

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<v Speaker 1>might be a little rough. Bear with us through this.

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<v Speaker 1>We figured out what it is, we fixed it for

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<v Speaker 1>future episodes. But with that having been said, on with

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<v Speaker 1>the show thinking sideways manoation, it's a mystery short stories

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<v Speaker 1>of things we simply don't know the answers to. Hi there.

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<v Speaker 1>So today we're going to do something a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 1>As everybody knows normal, what a routine is is we'll

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<v Speaker 1>you know, forty five minutes to an hour, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>we come across smaller stories which are really interesting but

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<v Speaker 1>they don't equate to a full show, and we'll we'll

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes pack those into one episode several a minute time,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Yes Yes. Unfortunately, sometimes there's episodes that just

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<v Speaker 1>don't lend themselves to that, and we've all I know,

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<v Speaker 1>the all three of us have come across stories where

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to do that, but we couldn't find a

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<v Speaker 1>way to tighten other stuff. We'd like to have an

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<v Speaker 1>overarching theme. Yeah, and we decided that, what the heck,

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<v Speaker 1>We're not going to leave those stories behind. So occasionally

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do a short, a bonus episode. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what this is gonna be, is a little bonus episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is gonna be They're gonna be random. We're

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<v Speaker 1>but occasionally when we come across these, put them out

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<v Speaker 1>much shorter. So let's see them on your internet bill

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<v Speaker 1>will cost very much at all. They will be ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent for the normal free price of all episodes. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's perfect. So with that, let's go ahead and go

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<v Speaker 1>into this short story. So this whole story, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to start out and just preface this by saying it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like it should be out of a movie. It

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<v Speaker 1>really does sound like a bad movie script right here.

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<v Speaker 1>We did actually two weeks ago, didn't we We talked

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<v Speaker 1>about a bad movie script. Yeah, and this cause it

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<v Speaker 1>could have been a good movie. I've seen good movies

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<v Speaker 1>that were based on this, this this kind of heist. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there there are some. But but here is what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about briefly. Here the Isabella Art

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<v Speaker 1>theft on the morning of March eighteenth, nine in Boston

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<v Speaker 1>and my morning you mean we hours, correct, Yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>wee hours of the morning, one twenty something in the

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<v Speaker 1>morning is about when this whole thing starts. Two people,

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<v Speaker 1>two men wearing police uniforms, walked up to the side

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<v Speaker 1>entrance of the Isabella Art Museum and they pressed the

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<v Speaker 1>buzzer to get in, and when the guard you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hit the the intercom, they said, police a lot of sin,

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<v Speaker 1>we heard about a disturbance in the courtyard. Okay, well

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<v Speaker 1>he let them in right there side unseen, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was I was asking about thinking about that. So they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a security camera, he couldn't actually see. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well if they did. These guys were dressed up in

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<v Speaker 1>police uniforms, so they looked like cops. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that they were high quality videos. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>camera probably wasn't that great? Yeah about that? The garden

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<v Speaker 1>so I could at least see that they appeared to,

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<v Speaker 1>because now in the museum there were two security guards.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them was working at the main desk and

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<v Speaker 1>the other one was somewhere else in the museum, presumably

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<v Speaker 1>doing his rounds whatever his job was at the moment

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<v Speaker 1>when they these guys get in, they go to the

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<v Speaker 1>main security desk and one of him says to the

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<v Speaker 1>security guard on duty, you look familiar, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>we have a warrant for your arrest. And they somehow

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<v Speaker 1>convince this guy to step out from behind his desk

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<v Speaker 1>where he has access to the only police wired alarm,

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<v Speaker 1>at which point they put him against a wall and

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<v Speaker 1>they handcuff him. The other security guard a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>minutes later, shows up and they put him in cuffs,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of these guys, one of these guards, says, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you arresting me? And this is where the

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<v Speaker 1>ball drops. One of the two men says the guys

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<v Speaker 1>dressed up his cops says, you're not being arrested. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a robbery, you idiot. Yeah, don't give us any

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<v Speaker 1>trouble and we won't hurt you. Um. And at that

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<v Speaker 1>point what they do is they take these cards down

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<v Speaker 1>to the basement. They duct taped them to some pipes.

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<v Speaker 1>They duct taped their mouths shut. They put a duct

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<v Speaker 1>tape all over their heads and left breathing holes for

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<v Speaker 1>their noses and that was it. Tore out all their

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<v Speaker 1>hair on the way taking that stuff off down. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even want to think about that. So the guards

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<v Speaker 1>are completely disabled at this point. So the thieves have

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much all the time in the world. They've got

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<v Speaker 1>the run of the joint. They're absolutely right. They go

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<v Speaker 1>upstairs to the Dutch Room, which is named such because

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<v Speaker 1>it's full of paintings by Dutch painters, and they they

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<v Speaker 1>immediately go up to a Rembrandt painting, at which point

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<v Speaker 1>and an alarm actually goes off. Now this alarm evidently

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<v Speaker 1>was only inside of the museum because all they had

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<v Speaker 1>to do was smash it and it went off and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody is alerted. Not the most system to know. At

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<v Speaker 1>this point, these guys basically have the run of this

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<v Speaker 1>whole museum. For the reports are eighty one minutes, an

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<v Speaker 1>hour and twenty minutes. They're in there doing whatever they

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<v Speaker 1>want to do. Well, they weren't exactly that's smart about

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<v Speaker 1>what they did because the first thing they did was

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<v Speaker 1>go up to a Rembrandt painting, uh, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>Rembrandt's self portrait from sixty nine, And they yanked the

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<v Speaker 1>painting off the wall and then they can't figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how to get it out of the frame because it's wood.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's wood. Yeah, Rembrandt painted that on wood on canvas.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you don't want to even try to go

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<v Speaker 1>out of the frame. You know, they should have they

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<v Speaker 1>should have thought about that about you know, just meane

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. You don't want to try to mess

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<v Speaker 1>with it in anyway at all because those things are

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<v Speaker 1>very delicate and old and I and I have a

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<v Speaker 1>serious issue with this whole thing that I'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>later that goes along at basically, what these guys do

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<v Speaker 1>is from that point forward they throw that painting on

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<v Speaker 1>the floor because they relaze they can't get did. And

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<v Speaker 1>then they start going through the museum and they start,

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<v Speaker 1>I kid you not, cutting canvases out of their frames

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<v Speaker 1>so they can roll them. It's good for the painting,

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<v Speaker 1>which is terrible because whenever that gets reremounted, you have

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<v Speaker 1>now just lost so much of the painting. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna crack and in the viewing area is gone. Because

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about it, if a painting is on

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<v Speaker 1>a frame, if the let's just say it's a one

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<v Speaker 1>by one that is the frame. Well, now you've got

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<v Speaker 1>an inch of it rolled across the side and an

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<v Speaker 1>inch across the back to staple it in place. Plus

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the actual frame may cover the the exterior frame.

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<v Speaker 1>You've just lost inches beautiful, beautiful piece of work. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've lost all that real estate tape those things up.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't attack in each corner. It's not it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a movie poster. Yeah, that's that's not how it works. So,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, they were focusing on a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>canvas works at this point, and they started running through

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<v Speaker 1>the place. They stole a total of thirteen pieces of art.

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<v Speaker 1>These are things that are ranging from there's Rembrand, Mr

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<v Speaker 1>uh Man A and thega. There was sketches that were

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<v Speaker 1>done by him. Evidently there was five sketches by him

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<v Speaker 1>that they took. They are like really valuable. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the value on that kind of stuff is a little

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<v Speaker 1>weird because their sketches and he would I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>literally he was sketching the painting ahead of time, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can see images of them and they you can

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<v Speaker 1>see the variances, and he was kind of figuring it out.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is a lot of value in watching someone

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<v Speaker 1>like that work. Uh. The other things they took is

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<v Speaker 1>there was an artifact that was from the Shang dynasty

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<v Speaker 1>and a fine old it belonged on a Napoleonic flag.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's really it's just kind of haphazard

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<v Speaker 1>what they took. It would have been nice if they

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<v Speaker 1>because these guys are probably just criminals, you know, And

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<v Speaker 1>and it would have been nice that they've gotten somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who knew what he was doing. That's the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>they passed up some more valuable stuff, number one, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of more valuable stuff. And if they've gotten a

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<v Speaker 1>little expert help or at least advice, they could have

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<v Speaker 1>maybe done less damage to the artwork themselves. And then

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<v Speaker 1>then I don't know how much they damaged it because

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<v Speaker 1>they've never been seen again obviously, of course, but it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been nice. Sooner or later, they're probably going

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<v Speaker 1>to show up. Unless these guys were complete morons and

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<v Speaker 1>they just left him rolled up in their basements somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>that eventually flooded. I don't even want to think about that.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes me so sad. Yeah, I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to think about that. The total theft,

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<v Speaker 1>the value of that total theft, and I believe this

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<v Speaker 1>is today's number or today's dollars, is five hundred million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So it is the largest private theft or largest

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<v Speaker 1>robbery of private property recorded. Now the gallery itself, what

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<v Speaker 1>they've done is to kind of pay homage to it

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<v Speaker 1>and waiting for those species to come back. They've got

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<v Speaker 1>some empty frames that are hanging, so they they're not

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<v Speaker 1>just ignoring that this happened. They're kind of saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we know these were stolen and everybody else should know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think is what their their idea is behind that.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's just it's really really weird. The museum

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<v Speaker 1>itself put out a reward of five million dollars for

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<v Speaker 1>information leading to the recovery of these pieces of work,

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<v Speaker 1>which is still available today. It is, and at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI hunted down a number of leads, but they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get any results and nothing ever came of that.

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<v Speaker 1>That was We're twenty four years later and the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>obstensible he still has squat. They say that they have suspects,

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<v Speaker 1>and they used the phrase significant suspects, but they will

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<v Speaker 1>say who they are. Um, there's there's talk according to

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<v Speaker 1>some of the theories that have seen that say that

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<v Speaker 1>the art was moved from Boston to Connecticut and Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 1>and this is from the FBI. This is what they

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<v Speaker 1>think happened. But then they don't know where it went

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<v Speaker 1>from there. Uh and and they don't know anything after that.

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<v Speaker 1>They say that they have some DNA and that DNA

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<v Speaker 1>is Remember I said they duct tape the guards. They

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<v Speaker 1>say they have DNA off the duct tape, but they

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<v Speaker 1>don't say anything else. In other words, they said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we have something, We're not going to tell you what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. I think about it is if they were

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<v Speaker 1>wearing gloves when they duct tape the guards. If they were,

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<v Speaker 1>but if they weren't wearing gloves, and wouldn't their fingerprints

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<v Speaker 1>be all over that duct tape? Well that depends, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if I touch a piece of duct tape

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<v Speaker 1>and I pulled my finger away and then the duct

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<v Speaker 1>tape doesn't get stuck to something else, yes, I should

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<v Speaker 1>leave a fingerprint. But if I leave my fingerprint and

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<v Speaker 1>then that duct tape gets ruled around a guard's head

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<v Speaker 1>and mashed into the other side of another piece of

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<v Speaker 1>duct tape. Yeah, I imagine that it's going to be unusable. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's conceivable that they did that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>so if I'm holding just the end of it and

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<v Speaker 1>then I wrap it around his head and bring it

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<v Speaker 1>back over the top of the piece that I was

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<v Speaker 1>holding and slot it down, that's going to destroy my fingerprints. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>these guys bright enough to be there. I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there would have had cloves on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well another I mean the other thing that we you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not like, oh, we have the fingerprints, therefore

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<v Speaker 1>we obviously like know who it was because there's not

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<v Speaker 1>actually like a record, like you know, if somebody if

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<v Speaker 1>I committed a crime and like they had my fingerprints,

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<v Speaker 1>they still wouldn't be able to find me because my

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<v Speaker 1>fingerprints don't exist in right, So you know, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to there's so many things. Their DNA would have to

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<v Speaker 1>be in a database somewhere, their fingerprints would have to

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<v Speaker 1>be in a database one. But these guys are the

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<v Speaker 1>suspects that they have in this crime. We're all well

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<v Speaker 1>known criminals who had been arrested in the past. Correct, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're about to get there, and that's not exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's that's the hard part about this is there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's kind of two theories that I can find of

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<v Speaker 1>potential of where the art might have gone, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>not sure. There is one that it says that this was,

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<v Speaker 1>if not run by the mob, mob organized and so

0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.880
<v Speaker 1>mobsters were doing it. And yeah, that's right, it's the

0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.960
<v Speaker 1>freaking mob again. Yes, it's the mob again. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a guy whose name is Robert Garante. Would say that

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<v Speaker 1>he died in two thousand four, but he's been linked

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<v Speaker 1>as kind of the central figure in the investigation for this,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was known to be an organized crime and

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<v Speaker 1>he seems to be connected to just about every other

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<v Speaker 1>mob abster that gets linked to this story. But of

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<v Speaker 1>course he died, so they can't question him, they can't

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<v Speaker 1>do anything to him. But his widows says that she

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<v Speaker 1>remembers him giving at least one painting to somebody back

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and three, and in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>three there was some mention that maybe they had surfaced,

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<v Speaker 1>but she when she looked at all of the paintings,

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<v Speaker 1>the photos of him. She's like, no, that doesn't look

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<v Speaker 1>like anything that he gave this guy. So he could

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<v Speaker 1>have given somebody something that he bought an Ikea for

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<v Speaker 1>all she knows. Yeah. You know the other thing about

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<v Speaker 1>it is we're not on theories yet. Well, I mean

0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:38.960
<v Speaker 1>we kind of are, because that's one theory is that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this guy is is the one who organized

0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. Um, I mean, there's there's another theory,

0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:51.360
<v Speaker 1>another lead that you'll find out there that says that

0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.800
<v Speaker 1>the paintings were sent overseas and so they went from

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<v Speaker 1>here to Italy to France and this was all orchestrated

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<v Speaker 1>by kind of a shady art dealer in New York

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<v Speaker 1>for some figure of like twenty five million dollars. But

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<v Speaker 1>none of that has ever been substantiated because of course

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't found any of them. So they're gone. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's I mean that that really is. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>a normal story. That is. The theories is that this

0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.680
<v Speaker 1>guy did it, and he gave it to the mob,

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<v Speaker 1>and the mob sold them underground somewhere, or somebody shipped

0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.320
<v Speaker 1>them overseas, and they're they're in both cases, they're in

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's private collection hanging in their living room or their office.

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<v Speaker 1>It could have been like a actually commissioned by some

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<v Speaker 1>mobster back from the Old Country who's had a huge

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<v Speaker 1>villa on the Mediterranean. It's like, and I want some art,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he commissioned these guys to go nab some

0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.120
<v Speaker 1>of these particular worst of art. But it doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 1>like they knew what they were after. Again, it was

0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.720
<v Speaker 1>haphazard what they grabbed, random stuff. But I mean that's

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<v Speaker 1>where the story ends. And personally, this is one of

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<v Speaker 1>those stories that really really makes me mad, not because

0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't have good theories for it, but because it

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<v Speaker 1>makes me mad when people steal old art, because old

0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:12.120
<v Speaker 1>art is fantastic, even if you're not into art. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>into art. I think it's really great, but some people are.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you go to a museum and you look

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<v Speaker 1>at those giant paintings and you can see what somebody did,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a reason that museums are quiet spaces because usually

0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.640
<v Speaker 1>people are staring at it in awe. So I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they've they've not just stolen it from the museum,

0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.520
<v Speaker 1>they've stolen it from everybody. Absolutely. They're they're like looters,

0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, people who loot archaeological sites. They're stealing our heritage,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's a good reason to be so I I

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<v Speaker 1>really I classify these guys as a one jerks, and

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<v Speaker 1>I really hope the mob's not listening. Is I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to get in trouble for saying that, But the

0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.440
<v Speaker 1>moms a one jerks. No, I mean I think that

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<v Speaker 1>that's fair. It's you know, it's part of human history,

0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:54.000
<v Speaker 1>it's part of our progression, and it's I'm right there

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<v Speaker 1>with you. I just get so. I think that's so.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that our lady to you? This was committed by

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of I don't know. That's the thing is that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is what the f I released. But

0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, they could they could be hedging their bets,

0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.000
<v Speaker 1>or they could just be this is a cold case.

0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.040
<v Speaker 1>And let's just say it was a mob. And what

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<v Speaker 1>is the Lincoln, this dude that we haven't seen from

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<v Speaker 1>forever because he's been dead for ten years and I

0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.919
<v Speaker 1>don't know, no idea. Apparently every year they have a

0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.920
<v Speaker 1>press conference on the anniversary of it, and they they

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<v Speaker 1>reiterate that there's a five million dollar reward, and every

0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.280
<v Speaker 1>year they do this and so far, you think somebody

0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.879
<v Speaker 1>would have come forward, somebody's cleaning lady or somebody, you know,

0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:34.919
<v Speaker 1>that's what that's what leads me to think that they

0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:38.199
<v Speaker 1>actually succeeded. I mean, some people think they were stashed

0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:42.000
<v Speaker 1>away somewhere. Um, I think they might actually have succeeded

0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.680
<v Speaker 1>in getting them overseas into the hands of some private

0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.160
<v Speaker 1>collector who has him hanging and as his mansion. Now,

0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.359
<v Speaker 1>so this guy is not incentivized by five million bucks,

0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.640
<v Speaker 1>you know more than that. Yeah, if they were squirreled

0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.320
<v Speaker 1>away somewhere in a storage unit or somebody's basement, and

0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:00.119
<v Speaker 1>obviously you know, they probably would have surfaced. And that

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<v Speaker 1>because the statute of limitations on the crime has expired.

0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.040
<v Speaker 1>It has so if you come forward with those patents,

0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:09.120
<v Speaker 1>they can't prosecute you for it. You just hand them

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<v Speaker 1>over and get five million bucks walk away scot free. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's why I suspect that they're not in

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<v Speaker 1>the US anymore, or if they're in the US, they're

0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.960
<v Speaker 1>in the hands of a private collector. Quite likely, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I would guess. Well, I wanna, I wanna before

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<v Speaker 1>where they're at, I'll give you a million bucks. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>million bucks, that sounds good to me, and with that,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna we're gonna shut this one down. So thanks

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