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Speaker 1: We figured out what it is, we fixed it for

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Speaker 1: future episodes. But with that having been said, on with

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Speaker 1: the show thinking sideways manoation, it's a mystery short stories

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Speaker 1: of things we simply don't know the answers to. Hi there.

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Speaker 1: So today we're going to do something a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: As everybody knows normal, what a routine is is we'll

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Speaker 1: jump into a big story and that will take up,

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Speaker 1: we come across smaller stories which are really interesting but

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Speaker 1: sometimes pack those into one episode several a minute time,

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Speaker 1: like the Yes Yes. Unfortunately, sometimes there's episodes that just

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Speaker 1: don't lend themselves to that, and we've all I know,

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Speaker 1: the all three of us have come across stories where

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Speaker 1: we wanted to do that, but we couldn't find a

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Speaker 1: We're not going to leave those stories behind. So occasionally

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Speaker 1: And this is gonna be They're gonna be random. We're

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Speaker 1: not gonna try and do this on a regular basis,

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Speaker 1: but occasionally when we come across these, put them out

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Speaker 1: for you, and they'll be steeply discounted because there's so

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Speaker 1: much shorter. So let's see them on your internet bill

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Speaker 1: will cost very much at all. They will be ten

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Speaker 1: that's perfect. So with that, let's go ahead and go

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Speaker 1: into this short story. So this whole story, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to start out and just preface this by saying it

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Speaker 1: sounds like it should be out of a movie. It

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Speaker 1: really does sound like a bad movie script right here.

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Speaker 1: We did actually two weeks ago, didn't we We talked

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Speaker 1: about a bad movie script. Yeah, and this cause it

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Speaker 1: could have been a good movie. I've seen good movies

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Speaker 1: that were based on this, this this kind of heist. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there there are some. But but here is what happens.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about briefly. Here the Isabella Art

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Speaker 1: theft on the morning of March eighteenth, nine in Boston

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Speaker 1: and my morning you mean we hours, correct, Yes, the

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Speaker 1: morning is about when this whole thing starts. Two people,

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Speaker 1: two men wearing police uniforms, walked up to the side

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Speaker 1: entrance of the Isabella Art Museum and they pressed the

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Speaker 1: he let them in right there side unseen, and I

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Speaker 1: the run of the joint. They're absolutely right. They go

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Speaker 1: immediately go up to a Rembrandt painting, at which point

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Speaker 1: Rembrandt's self portrait from sixty nine, And they yanked the

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Speaker 1: Because it's wood. Yeah, Rembrandt painted that on wood on canvas.

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Speaker 1: then they start going through the museum and they start,

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Speaker 1: I kid you not, cutting canvases out of their frames

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Speaker 1: which is terrible because whenever that gets reremounted, you have

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Speaker 1: now just lost so much of the painting. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: whatever the actual frame may cover the the exterior frame.

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Speaker 1: You've just lost inches beautiful, beautiful piece of work. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've lost all that real estate tape those things up.

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Speaker 1: You don't attack in each corner. It's not it's not

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Speaker 1: the place. They stole a total of thirteen pieces of art.

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Speaker 1: done by him. Evidently there was five sketches by him

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Speaker 1: that they took. They are like really valuable. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: But there is a lot of value in watching someone

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Speaker 1: and it would have been nice that they've gotten somebody

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Speaker 1: they passed up some more valuable stuff, number one, a

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Speaker 1: maybe done less damage to the artwork themselves. And then

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Speaker 1: then I don't know how much they damaged it because

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Speaker 1: would have been nice. Sooner or later, they're probably going

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Speaker 1: to show up. Unless these guys were complete morons and

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Speaker 1: that eventually flooded. I don't even want to think about that.

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Speaker 1: That makes me so sad. Yeah, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: the value of that total theft, and I believe this

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Speaker 1: Uh So it is the largest private theft or largest

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Speaker 1: robbery of private property recorded. Now the gallery itself, what

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Speaker 1: and waiting for those species to come back. They've got

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Speaker 1: just ignoring that this happened. They're kind of saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just it's really really weird. The museum

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Speaker 1: information leading to the recovery of these pieces of work,

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Speaker 1: which is still available today. It is, and at the time,

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Speaker 1: That was We're twenty four years later and the FBI

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Speaker 1: obstensible he still has squat. They say that they have suspects,

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Speaker 1: say who they are. Um, there's there's talk according to

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Speaker 1: some of the theories that have seen that say that

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Speaker 1: and this is from the FBI. This is what they

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Speaker 1: They say that they have some DNA and that DNA

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Speaker 1: is Remember I said they duct tape the guards. They

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Speaker 1: say they have DNA off the duct tape, but they

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Speaker 1: don't say anything else. In other words, they said, oh,

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Speaker 1: it is. I think about it is if they were

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Speaker 1: wearing gloves when they duct tape the guards. If they were,

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Speaker 1: but if they weren't wearing gloves, and wouldn't their fingerprints

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Speaker 1: be all over that duct tape? Well that depends, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I touch a piece of duct tape

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Speaker 1: tape doesn't get stuck to something else, yes, I should

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Speaker 1: leave a fingerprint. But if I leave my fingerprint and

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Speaker 1: then that duct tape gets ruled around a guard's head

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's conceivable that they did that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: so if I'm holding just the end of it and

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Speaker 1: back over the top of the piece that I was

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Speaker 1: holding and slot it down, that's going to destroy my fingerprints. Well,

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Speaker 1: I really hope the mob's not listening. Is I don't

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