WEBVTT - Ep. 362: First Lite and the Cosmos 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.760 This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.680 severely bug bitten in my case, underwear listening un podcast. 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:23.360 You can't predict anything presented by First Light creating proven 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.560 versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outer 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:35.760 where for every hunt, First Light go farther, stay longer. Everybody. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:41.400 We're coming from downtown Haley, Idaho, the first time I've 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.360 ever in the new First Light store. We're not we 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:45.440 if you haven't picked up on this in the past, 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:49.240 we will record and then and then we usually recording 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:53.159 and Lee released the episode like some time later that 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.680 at Krin's whim. So we find ourselves in one of 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:00.640 these issues where there's like, um, there's our reality and 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:06.480 your reality, and our reality is not open yet, but 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.520 their reality, everybody who thought the show was live, your 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:15.240 dreams have just been crushed, and their reality it's open. 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:17.040 My wife's been trying to explain it, to make my 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.640 wife's hip on this new idea about how no one's 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:26.480 actually right or wrong, um, because explain it. She's trying 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:27.840 to explain it. Something he has something to do with 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:29.679 how big the cosmos is. And there's a lot of 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.840 ways of looking at stuff around the cosmos, you know. 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.520 So she's telling me that all the things that we're 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.920 adamant about are just like um, like we're adamant about stuff, 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.720 but it's just like this little teeny like imagine you 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.000 have like dust in the air, right and the sun 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.280 shining on it. Your ideas are just one of the 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:57.080 many little places where light hits the dust. Like yeah, 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:01.520 because it doesn't work. Yeah, if you weren't gonna say stupid, 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.720 I was, because it doesn't work for real life. It's like, yeah, 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:08.760 well maybe noon isn't noon somewhere else, but for here, 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.440 it's like you just got to accept that it's noon 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.160 or one thirty. That's a terrible example for today's sean 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.760 because it's actually tomorrow. We were at What's funny is 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.760 we were She's she's laying us all out on me. 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.040 We were up at this little this little in holding 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.320 we have. It's like this little five acre in holding, 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.760 and my body has the one next to mine, and 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.280 on his place is this old probably like I don't know, man, 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.799 like a giant water tank. In the past, some was 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:40.799 gonna bottle some spring water up there. So there's like 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.360 this giant water tank and we'll climb up on the 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.200 water tank and you can watch for trout down in 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:53.600 this beaver pond, but the water tanks yellow. And I'm 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.520 standing on the water tank with my boy, debating with 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.520 my boy whether or not like I'm gonna haul the 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.160 water to anc out of there and make a hog 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:06.799 roster out of it, to which he thinks, Um, it's 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.760 a good place to stand and look off of. And meanwhile, 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.280 not even we're like having an argument about the water tank, 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.000 and she's not even paying enough attention to us, and 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.760 she's laying this thing, I mean about our our things 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:22.720 are nothing. Wow, that's all. Yeah, And so I told her, 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.600 But where does that leave you. I'm not gonna run 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.640 around acting like I don't think what I think because 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.840 it's like a little dust particle. Yeah, No, you gotta 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.000 go through it like it's all logical and rational. Yeah, 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:33.840 it's just one of those ideas. It doesn't have any 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.400 I like it, but it doesn't. It just doesn't change 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.480 anything for me. Yeah, if you're reduce your octane, I 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.760 think it is a touch. She might be man, take 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:48.320 the edge off. She could use a little reduction. If 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:52.040 your idea was a flash of light, you could in theory, 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.520 look at that flash of light through the James Webb 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:58.800 telescope like thirty years later and identify that thought out 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.119 in the cosmos. Yeah, I'll be like, I'm still right. 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.520 It was still right. Uh. What's going on right now? 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.800 But not for you, for us and our reality and 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:12.520 our on our dust particle is the first Light hoot 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:14.560 Nanny has taken place right now? Who wants to explain that? 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.479 Which you guys feels best equipped? Three? We have three 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:22.680 first Light representatives. Yeah, I could take that one, bridget. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.080 This is Kevin Harland Kevin Harley. Um. Yeah, So we 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.400 run on the show like twice, three times, four times, 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.960 I think, just a couple, I think, yeah, Um yeah. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:33.760 We run this thing called the Hooting Nanny every year. 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:37.200 It's it's simply like an ambassador summit right where we 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:41.320 get everybody together preseason, go through a bunch of gear, um, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.640 talk about the future, and and just really kind of 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.720 celebrate what I think is a pretty remarkable thing. We've 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:48.839 got a great group of people, um from all of 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.880 our companies and outside our companies, uh, talking about gear 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.360 and kind of getting set for the year head and 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:55.760 you know we're right in it right now. I mean 0:04:55.760 --> 0:05:00.920 Antelopes season open yesterday here right for um, so we're 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.400 in it and uh, we got everybody up from all 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.440 over the country and um sharing some be heres and 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.880 some good food and some good conversation and kind of 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.120 leading into the season here. Okay, who wants to explain 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.840 what direct consumer means? Ford? Why did you? Why did 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:17.560 you put that on me? How you've been here the longest? 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:23.120 That's true. Direct consumer means we sell clothing directly to consumers. 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:29.919 To elaborate, I'm totally different than that. That's like a 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:34.280 big guest particle that's hard to deny its existence. No, practically, 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.599 it means we don't have retailers. You can't go to 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.400 our tree shopping buy First Light apparel. You gotta go 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.320 to our website wwww at first slight dot com is 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.159 the only place to get it. Cutting out the middleman 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:50.560 exactly except now, except now there's a wrinkle in your 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.159 dust particle. Except we've introduced the middleman because now there's 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.160 a wrinkle in the dust particle because now First Light 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.560 has its own store. Indeed, we're it and right here, 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.719 and it is. It's beautiful, owned and operated by First Light. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:05.600 But that's why we're in downtown Haley. You can come 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.160 to the First Light. The first thing I thought coming 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.920 in here, it's like, you know, I know about everything, 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.560 but like to see it all. I'm like, holy col 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.960 there's a lot of stuff. Yeah, Karin was just saying, 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.120 you know, when you look at a digital catalog on 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.479 the website, you know there's a lot of stuff there. 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.760 But yeah, spreading it out on hangers and end caps 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.400 and on tables, it's it's impressive to see it kind 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.640 of fully merchandized. Me and o'cal we're reminiscent about um. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.320 Kel was the first besides the two founders. Kel, we'll 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:39.720 speak to it. Kel. Oh yeah, boy, but jillion years ago, Um, 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:44.359 when when the Cosmos was still forming. That's your opinion. 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:50.120 It's just like your opinion, man. Uh yeah, as the 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:55.600 first uh employees. So they're the two founder Scott Robinson, 0:06:55.720 --> 0:07:03.640 Kenton Caruth and uh and myself and oh yeah, tow 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.440 Terry Camper trailer down here to catch him that I 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.680 was using to work and guide and kind of live 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.480 out of at the time and put it in the 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:18.119 garage at the third office space that First Light had 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.680 and we all worked right above it and then at 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:23.480 the end of the day, I'd go for like a 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.440 light jog and then wind up back at my terry 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.240 camper trailer and go to bed. Yeah. I just I 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.240 want to restate that Cal lived in a camper in 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:36.960 our office for six months. Six months. Yeah, and then 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:42.160 Scott got real He was very annoyed with the presence 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.320 of the camper because it wasn't like hip and cool. Uh. 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.560 And then he would get even more annoyed whenever anybody 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.679 would come in the office because to a person, everybody 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:58.160 would be like, holy cow, sweet Camper'd be like, oh 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.200 my god, you gotta get that thing out of here. Um, 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:02.920 you know I had to. I had to uh yeah, 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.160 go through this gap in the fence that's not there anymore, 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.600 and and shower at the Y m c A or 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:12.480 over at h our buddy bricks off Icue. And other 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.480 than that, things were pretty easy peasy. But you know, 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:21.640 things grew and Casey Hawks was was actually it was 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:26.560 Ross Copperman and then Casey Hawks um and yeah. So 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.880 you know it was just like this slow incremental growth 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:36.679 of kind of getting over these humps and um, very experimental, right. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.400 It was like, okay, if this word year works out, 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:45.960 then like if we do another year exactly, yeah. Yeah, 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.080 And it was like that like that for a long time. 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.800 So yeah, I would start out with just marino wool 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.600 base layers and the like I kind of joke, it 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.520 was like the forward model of like anything you want, 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.560 as long as you want it in black, and it 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.680 was just black Marino wool. And then but like the 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.000 secret sauce was the fact that that really Kenton, through 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:10.640 a bunch of research and tying people together, um, through 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.320 the power of the Internet, figured out how to print 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:17.240 on marino intricate patterns. Like there were people out there 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:20.079 who are putting like very basic logos on marino wool, 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.840 but nobody could figure out how to make something like 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:29.280 intricate that wouldn't like bleed or eventually wash out or 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.160 feel like real crap on your skin. So like keep 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:36.560 that nice soft marino woolf feel still breathe, but have 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.920 for instance, a camouflage pattern on on there. So um, 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:45.480 that was a huge thing. And and the sales pitch 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.880 at the time was like, well you've heard a smart wool. 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.800 We're like the smart wool the hunting world. And it 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:57.280 was hilarious because I would literally once a year get 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:02.520 a phone call from Smart Wool Boulder, Colorado saying like, hey, 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:06.240 you guys make all sorts of stuff and camouflage. How 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.480 do you guys do that? Oh? And I'd be like 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.160 what now. They'd be like, yeah, can you tell us 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.559 how you And I'm like, well, you know, we kind 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.199 of compete against each other, so I you know, I 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.120 don't think I'm gonna do that, and they're like no, no, 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.680 no, no no, no, you guys are hunters, Like, yeah, you 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.880 guys aren't in the in the in the outdoor space. 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.840 And it was just a like a weird thing. So 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.120 you could have asked them, what are you trying to 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.800 hide from? We? Uh, we were punching out of our 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.280 weight class, is the thing. So like we were getting 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:41.040 a lot of attention, real small company and then um yeah, 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:46.080 just that slow incremental growth and then eventually, um you 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:51.280 know right, I mean right when you came along. Stephen 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:55.000 Ronnella came along through a couple of different channels, which 0:10:55.040 --> 0:11:01.559 was really funny. Um is when we were actively working 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:07.520 on outerwear, and outerwear was like totally against the business model. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.120 It was supposed to be this nice, tidy business of 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:16.080 Marino wool base layers and that's it follow like the 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.360 smart wool or ice breaker model, but strictly in the 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:24.319 hunting space. And we learned that we were so limited 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:29.960 in regards to our marketing, budget wise and otherwise because 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.920 people couldn't always see your basse layer and so all 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.199 sorts of people were the stuff, but nobody could see it. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.360 And if you can't see somebody wearing it, it's like 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.840 a tree falls in the woods type of thing or 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:46.160 is anybody right type of thing. Reality. Yeah, And so 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.559 that was a huge part of the push, like breaking 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:53.360 that business model, um, you know for the first time, 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:57.760 then uh to get in into outerwear because it allowed 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.440 us to say, like, see, you can see it, like 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.240 people are wearing this stuff and and it's really good 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:09.079 and um yeah, just kind of snowballed from there. And 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:13.599 then obviously Steve you uh got headn't started wearing the 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:18.200 stuff and and we gotta start making more and addressing 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.160 more needs, you know. And I feel like that's always 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:26.480 been the backbone of the brand, is versatility for sure, 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:32.200 like tackling a giant temperature range with you know, relatively 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:40.120 simple garments, um, and then trying to address the issue first, right, 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:44.480 not address the marketplace, but address the issue that occurs 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.760 on the mountain, right. So it's like, well, I stink, well, 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.400 Marina wills not stinky. What else can we do on 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.720 the in the outerwear world that would mitigate smell as well? 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.080 Or um, boy, I sweat like crazy? What can we 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:03.400 do to mitigate um, you know, uh, enhanced breathability, mitigate 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.800 all that moisture loss in your garments, keep you dry 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.680 when the tamps drop. Stuff like that, address address the 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.839 issues staying warm if you do get wet, climbing into 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:17.720 your sleeping bag at night and being like, oh that 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.360 feels good, I feel like a clammy ass mess yeah, 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.200 or you know, spending a ton of energy. And that's 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:28.240 something that we learned, certainly, like working with a lot 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:32.000 of folks in the military space is just how important 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.480 it is to actually be comfortable. And it was a 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.320 really interesting like dual conversation that was going on at 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.839 the time because we're like talking to lots of lots 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:44.400 of folks in the military world that we're talking about 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.160 comfort and at the same time the hunting world was 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.680 like talking about being tough. But on military side, they 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.480 were like, boy, you can get a lot more done 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.080 if you know you're taken care of, like you're not 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:03.240 wasting a bunch of energy combating all these feelings of boy, 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.560 am I actually gonna make it through tonight? Like boy, 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.000 it's sure, Cole boy, I'm sure, wet boy. All this 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:12.920 stuff chaffing me. You know. So once you address that 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:19.320 that comfort and find like those those prime ranges for UM, breatheability, 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:25.080 moisture wicking um, insulation weight weight to insulation ratio, so 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:29.040 you're not carrying around a bunch of superfluous layers UM, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:33.840 then you can really start performing beyond what you thought 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.640 you were capable of, because now your brain is like 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.520 free and easy to just concentrate on the task at hand. 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.960 And it grew on a sheep. And it grew on 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:49.440 a sheep. Yep, yep. The last the extremes right, so 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:56.840 like very cold nighttime temps, very hot daytime temps. And uh, 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.080 an animal that isn't capable of changing its clothes. Oh, 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.720 I love that sales pitch. It's so good on the tridge, 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.520 you know, on the consumer show floor, you're like, well, 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.920 just think about a sheep. Can it take its jacket off? 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.480 Showed me the sheep that takes its own jacket off. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.440 They start pulling out their credit cards. Cal what I'm hearing? 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.440 What what I'm hearing is that there should be a 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:26.680 bronze statue of you in this store. I mean like 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:30.160 they could use it like a mannequin. Oh oh boy, 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.120 we still need to sell thanks. You know, they got 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.400 to keep the lights on clay Um. But yeah, you 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:41.280 know it. It was really wild and it was cool too. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:46.200 It was really like a work environment that was so 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:50.080 kind of hectic and busy that there wasn't time to 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.680 kind of like look outside of our our own little 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.000 world for a long time. So there wasn't a whole 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.160 lot of like, what's what are other companies doing? It 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:04.960 was going off of really like personal experience and the 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:09.760 knowledge that we could only build in very small increments, 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.120 And it was like the whole we need here's our 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.800 need list that far exceeds what we can build year 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.040 to year. So what we build has got to be 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.160 really good and it's got to address the most needs 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.640 out of the gate. Uh. And I think that was 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:30.360 a super super healthy foundation to have, like very scrappy 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.920 um and Uh. We spent a lot of time like 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:38.400 toiling and testing over you know what that next garment 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.600 is going to be because this could be our last year, right, 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:47.400 So M clear what all you've been up to? Well? 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:53.320 Been been traveling a lot for Burgarase. It really excited 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.040 about some of the series and different stuff that we're 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.200 gonna be doing. Been That's mainly what I've done this summer. 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.400 Travel one for Burgrease. We try to do in person 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:06.600 interviews with every every podcast we do, So I'll travel 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:08.160 and go meet somebody, talked to him for a couple 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:13.400 of hours. Man, if the sixty something episodes we've made, 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:17.960 I've done like three zoom interviews. Oh you'll lose something, man, 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:23.359 It's it's I feel like it's really important. Yeah, we 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:28.800 got uh someone who's Texas is to me today. But 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:30.560 but but Karan has been reading up on it too. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.360 You're about this dude that those Broilty sent it to us. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.639 You know when you go to a phishing access site 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:42.080 and they got the like what they call a vault toilet, right, 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.480 so a picture like a like a phishing access john. 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:51.480 So there's a there's a thing called the vault toilet, right. 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.399 It just looks like an outhouse. But you're going and 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:56.400 it's got a tank underneath it, and they'll have all 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.680 the signs being like, hey, man, don't throw weird stuff 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:03.280 down here, because we can't it's hard to pump. And 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:07.520 and Montana fish Way Parks they have a very like 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:11.840 their vault toilets are are sort of branded. You just 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:15.080 no one when you see. One story came out about 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.879 a guy they tracked him down. A guy in southwest 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:25.320 Montana who dropped his phone down in the vault toilet. 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:32.000 So he strips down, Oh my gosh, gets the toilet 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.720 seat off there, and gets down in there. Everybody can't 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:42.200 get back out, you know. It's and he's got the 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:46.560 door locked, the handle off, you know, one of the crew. 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.520 He couldn't get out of the whole. He's stuck in 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.960 the vault. You know. One of the craziest parts of 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.679 that story, though, is that he can't get out, but 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:58.359 somehow they managed to get a camp chair down in 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.760 which makes me think the reason he couldn't get out 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.639 because he couldn't lift himself out, not because he was 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.520 wedged otherwise. How else did they get the camp chair 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.760 down there? He was down too far to get a grip, 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:12.600 so they had the damn it. They had to break 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.840 into the toilet passers by. He spent three hours in there. First, 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:18.800 it was like that it was an overnight adventure. He 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:20.840 spent three hours in there. It must have hailed a 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:26.760 passer by. That's a surprise. If the passer by, uh, 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.119 he's still. The weirdest thing is he didn't get his 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:34.480 phone back. Well that once you finally get down there, 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.399 I mean, how much digging are you really gonna do? 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.719 My daddy's telling me a story. Well, let me return, Like, 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:42.159 where do you hold if he ditched all of his clothes, 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.960 where does he hold onto the phone in order to 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:46.760 climb out? Right? You can't put it in your mouth 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.720 at that point. I don't think this guy thought that 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:51.480 through that much. But if he finds the phone, he 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.679 can call somebody or well, he's probably I don't, I 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:58.720 don't know. I'd I'd like if Crint had not mirophone job, 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.040 he printed her job, he'd be sitting here right now 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.960 as he climbs down into the vault toilet, spends three 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:11.359 hours down in there with his clothes off, apparently hails 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:15.160 the passer by. The passer by damages something to get 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.280 get into Wait, wait, wait, can I stop you Steve 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:23.480 the passer by? Was he going knocked on the door. 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:29.920 It'll try to investigate if I'll find him. Please don't, 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:34.560 please don't use this right now. Um. So the pictures 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.880 came out and like the Montana fishing game, like they 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.520 recognized their own pit toilet. Not only that, they recognize 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:43.760 what access point it was at. So someone was able 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:49.720 to track the fellow down, um to rescue him. It 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.840 was on the Big Hole River. To rescue him, they 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.800 passed the lawn chair down to him. He was able 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.480 to stand on the lawn chair and then get a 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:04.000 grip on the lip and pull himself out. So you're 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.800 somebody came out of there without the phone. I hate 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.240 to see this to say this because I love Montana 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:14.440 and Butte Montana a lot. But I'm assuming the dudes 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:20.680 from Beaute Big Hole River. That's yeah, that's beauty, beaut 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:24.919 America's fishing river. I gotta ask, what, like, what shots 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:30.240 you gotta go get after that kind of probably appetitus, 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:33.040 all kinds of stuff you probably want to you'd probably 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.520 wanna what is it happy? And that's kind of they 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:40.040 don't vaccinate you for happy. I can't remember I don't know, 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:44.920 but Samonilla E Cole Eyes all in there, brothers down 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:50.440 there eating and stuff. Man, I mean, but uh, we'd 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.119 like to find him. I mean he likes to fish apparently. 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:54.720 I'd love to have him on the show and not 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:57.480 to goof on him, not to go I mean, what 0:21:57.520 --> 0:21:59.400 do you want to know from this guy? Well? Why 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:02.720 he why he didn't find the phone? So you know, 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.040 like what was going through his mind? You're not as 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.359 worried about when he was out of the toilet and 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:10.760 the thought process that got him down There would be 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:17.800 three areas I'd explore. I'd explore, Uh, four areas I'd explore, Um, 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.800 how did I'm guessing it's obvious how it got down there? 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:23.960 Is there anything unexpected about how the phone got down there? Yeah, 0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:29.040 that'd be interesting to Um you're making a call right like, 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:30.880 you're like you're gonna do this or not do this? 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:37.280 So what's at stake? Why the sense of urgency? Um? 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:39.880 And certain decisions around that? What was the cleanup plan? 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:44.040 Right like that? What were those three hours? Like what 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:46.800 kind of thoughts went through your head? And then the 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:52.119 fourth area I'd exploring in the interview would be, um, 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:58.840 where's the phone. Know why it's pertinent is every time 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:03.160 you use one of these government buildings as we call them, 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.520 there's that sign that says, don't throw X, Y and 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.040 Z down the toilet. It's extremely hard to get out. 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:12.920 And every time you read that you have to take 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:17.040 that mental journey of boy would be gross to be 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:20.920 down there? Like what would it take? Um, But there's 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:23.600 a possibility like what if this dude from Beaute is 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:27.040 in like waste management, right and he's just like not, 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:30.240 He's like, I've done a lot worse for a couple 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.399 of hundred bucks type of thing. If we put this 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:34.359 episode together, you would be a good guest to have 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:37.240 on as well, be Kevin Murphy who worked in waste management. 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:40.639 So like we got the guy, got the guy, we 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:43.680 get someone from the phone company, We get Kevin Murphy 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:48.040 about like what you know, like what could be down 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:52.119 in there? Um, I have a vindication and in a 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:54.240 major craction, me and Cal have a major correction to 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:59.280 make um the vindication. Remember we covered we we talked 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.800 extensively in Callahan. You were there, were talking extensively about 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:10.800 the actor Nick Offerman's writing an article about UH bullying 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:16.959 an aggression on this podcast, his perceived him thinking that 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:21.680 that like that like coming from the host of the podcast, 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:26.600 came from a um like a background of bullying and aggression, 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:32.280 for having for having pointed out my feeling that Henry, 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:38.600 the late Henry David Throw was a candy ass. Uh. 0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:40.440 And then we were trying to think of who was it, 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:43.600 who was the gut because he says I jumped down 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:48.640 a guest throat, and you said, I think the guest 0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:56.280 was Brent West from High Peaks Alliance from me. So 0:24:56.480 --> 0:25:00.480 Brent West wrote in so here, So now we've heard 0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:04.760 from the person that I was aggressively bullying Brent West. 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:08.760