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Speaker 1: You can't predict anything presented by First Light creating proven

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Speaker 1: We're coming from downtown Haley, Idaho, the first time I've

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Speaker 1: these issues where there's like, um, there's our reality and

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Speaker 1: My wife's been trying to explain it, to make my

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Speaker 1: actually right or wrong, um, because explain it. She's trying

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Speaker 1: So she's telling me that all the things that we're

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Speaker 1: but it's just like this little teeny like imagine you

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Speaker 1: are nothing. Wow, that's all. Yeah, And so I told her,

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Speaker 1: But where does that leave you. I'm not gonna run

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Speaker 1: it's like a little dust particle. Yeah, No, you gotta

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Speaker 1: go through it like it's all logical and rational. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just one of those ideas. It doesn't have any

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Speaker 1: But not for you, for us and our reality and

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Speaker 1: Nanny has taken place right now? Who wants to explain that?

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Speaker 1: Which you guys feels best equipped? Three? We have three

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Speaker 1: This is Kevin Harland Kevin Harley. Um. Yeah, So we

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Speaker 1: It's it's simply like an ambassador summit right where we

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Speaker 1: what direct consumer means? Ford? Why did you? Why did

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Speaker 1: it means we don't have retailers. You can't go to

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Speaker 1: exactly except now, except now there's a wrinkle in your

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Speaker 1: And what I learned was when the guys from the

425
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: Northeast called, we're upset about something, you came back at

426
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: him hot and they you got the problem solved real quick.

427
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: See what I'm saying, Fighting fire with fire? Yeah, well,

428
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was. I feel like it

429
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: was a cultural It's a cultural misunderstanding how to get

430
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: a problem solved, and I think Steve, I think our

431
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: friend Steve runs into that and you can get offer

432
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: Himan a little break here if if you'd like and

433
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: say that, like maybe you know, uh, it's a secondary

434
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: type of appreciation people have for you when they learn

435
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: your opposition tactics. Well, it even goes on in this

436
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: article that that the guests sent me is um the

437
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: it says, uh, it's common for men to use fighting

438
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: as a way to explore ideas. I write the article,

439
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: I uh, we should say High Peaks Alliance, Brent. They're

440
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: just completed a big bridge project on a very popular

441
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: hiking trail up there. Um, so if you're traveling the

442
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: main big Main Woods, you should check out High Peaks Alliance.

443
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: They do a bunch of great work. And um, I

444
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: kind of personally want to thank Offerman. Nick Offerman for

445
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: introducing a real soft spot for him. Well, what I

446
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: have a soft pot for is that line of um

447
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: where the throw appreciators point out that he often hiked

448
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: in wet shoes. No, he he likes. So he was

449
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: pointing out like just how tough Throw was and he

450
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: would hike long ways sometimes with wet feet, And I

451
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: get I've gotten a lot had little use for people

452
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: that couldn't keep up, which I think is mean and

453
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: ship as I pointed out on a previous episode, but

454
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: think he's a bully. I've gotten a lot of appreciation

455
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 1: just thinking about that line. When somebody's kind of posturing up,

456
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think to myself, I bet that guy

457
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: even hikes and with wet feet. That's how tough they

458
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: I bet he has little use for those who can't

459
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: keep up. Um, here's a letter you don't want to

460
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: get calls speaking to you now too. This is you

461
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: and me. I would like to advise you that your

462
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: recent podcast episode was full of wrong and for nation.

463
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: And he goes on to lay it out, and it's

464
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: this is like a bad This is one of the

465
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: worst corrections we've ever had to do. So I'll skip ahead.

466
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: You say you are from Michigan and an outdoorsman, but

467
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: I am disappointed in your lack of knowledge, he points out.

468
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: So we're talking about the Camp Grailing expansion. It's not

469
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: in the up. We kept saying the up. It's in

470
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: the northern Lower Peninsula. H So that was air, right,

471
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: that was the air. But the other error is he

472
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: He goes on to talk about a lot of ways

473
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: in which he and and other outdoorsmen have through the

474
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: years really had a hard time with the presence of

475
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: the guard camp there. In cites these examples of people

476
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: doing exercises and being soldiers doing exercises and not being

477
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: where they're supposed to be, conflicts on rivers, on and on,

478
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: and he says, they say they're not going to to

479
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: do this and that, but they're already fixing to do

480
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: these activities that they say aren't going to happen on

481
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: this expanded land. But we're referring to is camp Camp

482
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: Grailing is looking to double its size. So I think

483
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: it sits at around a hundred fifty thousand acres and

484
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: they're wanting to add a hundreds of thousand acres of

485
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: surrounding state land. What they're trying to do is there

486
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: trying to gain access to surrounding state land. I will

487
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: uh this is the best part of doing corrections though,

488
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: as everybody gets to learn about the issue twice, which

489
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: makes it doubly valuable. But but he uh is very

490
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: incredulous of what is they're saying is going to happen.

491
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: And and part here's what part of what is feeding

492
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: this issue. So the camp is looking to double the

493
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: size of the area they can use for training exercises.

494
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: So they're gonna they're gonna expand their ability to train

495
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: out onto like some hundred fifty thousand acres of state land,

496
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: and it would result in no one's arguing this point.

497
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: It results and temporary closures when they're doing exercises. Yeah,

498
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: and they think, you know, like cause for great concern,

499
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: right if their track record up to date isn't stellar,

500
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: that an expansion would be caused for concern for sure. Uh,

501
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: here's where some of the confusions coming from with people

502
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: trying to suss out what's going to go on if

503
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: this expansion takes place. So the military spokesman said, National

504
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: Guard spokesman comes in and says there would be no

505
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: new trails built for tanks, no bombing or shooting, no

506
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: new buildings or fences. But then they go on to

507
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: point out that they're setting up firing points, which they're

508
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: setting up artillery areas on the new land that will

509
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: be used to fire into existing areas. So you're sort

510
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: of like, oh, there's no new infrastructure, but there's new

511
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: in structure and it's creating a fair bit of anxiety

512
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: among people about this expansion. Yeah, part of the thing

513
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: people don't like about bombings is the big banging noise

514
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: there happens to be one on both fans, right, So

515
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: so he's mad. The guy that wrote in is mad

516
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: at me. He says, like a lot of people around

517
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: here have lost respect for you now, which is that

518
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: that's a bummer. Uh, he says. What he's mad about

519
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: me is not that I'm fenced sitting on the issue. Remember,

520
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: I was like the whole point is I was saying, like,

521
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: here's one of those areas where I have a hard

522
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: time making in my mind. So I'm sort of like,

523
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm weighing this idea between um that it

524
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: is not a habitat loss because it's not a subdivision

525
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: or right. It's giving soldiers access to forest to train

526
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: on forest land, and you appreciate a strong military, and

527
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: so I weigh that, and I way that it's not

528
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: leading to a net loss and wildlife habitat. It just

529
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: winds up being an access issue at the expense of

530
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: hunters and anglers in support of military training. So I'm

531
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: sitting where, you know, I'm a little torn, But he's like,

532
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at if you're being torn about. I'm

533
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: just mad at if for having your facts all wrong. Sure, sure,

534
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: he said, it's a hundred fifty anchor expansion. Yeah, and

535
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: the camp has been the camp had the camp originally

536
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: had a land grant. Then they've done these series of

537
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: state leases, and this individual, I don't want to I

538
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: don't want to go through them all because I might

539
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: make the same mistake again and not fact check out everything.

540
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: But this individual goals to like a whole litany of issues,

541
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: even things that have made the local T news TV news.

542
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 1: We're saying, just recently, there's a group of soldiers who

543
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: went down the Mannistee River on a raft with a

544
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: machine gun at the front on the area they weren't

545
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: supposed to be. It even made the local TV news.

546
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: UM many many incidents over the years. So thanks for writing,

547
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: and it's good stuff. And and for clarification, it's not

548
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 1: it's on the upper Lower Peninsula, the northern Lower peninsul

549
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: he points out, it's the you know, like tip of

550
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: the mitten fread Bear country. Oh yeah, uh, here's not

551
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: everything that comes up. We're we're recently discussing what it's

552
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: like to to spearfish in fifteen thousand feet of water

553
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: where you're just occupying the surface lens and we're amusing about, um,

554
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: there's stuff at the bottom, there's stuff at the top.

555
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: But how boring would it be if you were in

556
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand feet of water and went and hung out

557
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: nine thousand feet down? Who's home? And the answer is

558
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: nobody for for the for the most part, like there's

559
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: not something that specifically lives at that. There's stuff that

560
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: will touch it a sperm way, ill you can get

561
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: down to eight or nine. But yeah, you're in a

562
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: you're you're in the area. But it but it brings

563
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: up that we're talking about there's still you know, the

564
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: deep deep's gonna top with this new thing they found. Yeah,

565
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: so in the deep, deep, deep deep, in the deep

566
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: deep deep, deep, deep and forward. What what we're talking

567
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: about is that layer at which sunlight ceases to penetrate

568
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: and in that zone there is essentially no life that

569
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: that hangs out there that we're aware of yet, which

570
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: is like bases its operation there. Right, Well, what are

571
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: life wise? What size life are we talking? There's gonna

572
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: be something like big stuff you might catch. There's something

573
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: but life transitions something they'll chase some maps to uh

574
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: like it's stuff that is waiting for things to fall

575
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: to the to the to the very very bottom. Um.

576
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: And there is a type of snail that was discovered

577
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: and the fun name is a pegul in snail because

578
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: it's got these it looks like a pangulans like you know,

579
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: scaled armor on its foot, but it's it's part of

580
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: this family of armor footed snails and it's a great

581
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: example of it would be called like an extreme o file.

582
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: So it hangs out in an area that is what

583
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: every other form of life would consider not hospitable. You

584
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: can't can't live there because the temps exceed like five degrees.

585
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: There's sulfuric acid, there's all these gases um. It is

586
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: an extreme place. Hence extremo file and h This little

587
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: snail with the iron the iron foot is really really

588
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: bizarre because how it eats is it holds a chemical

589
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: compound in its throat and by basically breathing in the

590
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: toxic water around it, that chemical compound reacts with it

591
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: and it's able to extract it's nutrients from you know

592
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: whatever spits out of that compound and then slide your

593
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: tongued on that snails throat. But it's just like life.

594
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: I've never heard of anything that. That's how it exists. Right,

595
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: it's amazing and five degrees fahrenheit. Wait, why is it

596
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: so hot? Yeah? What temp down there? Does? Do you

597
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: start getting close enough? Right like that you're in thin

598
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: parts of the crust where water starts getting warmer again?

599
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: Well that's like beyond warm. Yeah, right, but at what

600
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: point is it like waters? Not thirty four degrees? Now

601
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: it's sixty again, seventy again, you know, like getting warmer?

602
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: Are you looking for a banana belt down there? But

603
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: that's where you got a deep drop. What's crazy about

604
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: the snail too, is so it's got this like scaled

605
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: armored foot and they thought it was protective. Did you

606
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: get into this? Yeah, they thought it was protective because

607
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: of course it looks like armor, right, um, And I

608
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: guess in a sense it is protective, but it's like

609
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: a reactionary. It protects against itself. It basically like you

610
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: could call it the druel that is the byproduct of

611
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: its feeding comes out, and it would and it contains

612
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: sulfur which is um, a very common compound in how

613
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: you kill snails in the garden. Um. And in order

614
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: to protect itself against this sulfur that comes out to

615
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: protect it from its own breath, from its own breath,

616
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: it's grown these uh kind of iron plates on its foot.

617
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: How are we talking here? God, it looked fairly big.

618
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: That's a great, great question about fifty cent piece. Yeah. Um,

619
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: But it's like we know so much about the world

620
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: and we know nothing about it. Like there's these whole

621
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: host communities that are based in these super specific um

622
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: little climates at the very very bottom and crushing depths

623
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 1: that we're just discovering right now, and and uh yeah,

624
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: I just think, like what what what could we harness

625
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: that for in a good way? My kid recently asked

626
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: me how many animals that there are we don't know about?

627
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: And that's account had accounts, you don't know about them? Right.

628
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: You gotta wonder what if Spencer starts running out of

629
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: pardon my plate things, if he could go on a

630
00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: little season season five, we asked deep, Yeah, we've tried

631
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: the nasty sea ducks, so let's start trying sulfur filled snails.

632
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 1: Giant clamps, there's all sorts of stuff down there the vent.

633
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: Here's no one for you callahan uh anti venom. A

634
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: person wants to revisit your experience when your dog got

635
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: zapped by a rattlesnake. Yep. So the question is he's

636
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: gonna be hunting Sharpie's in Montana this fall. He's nervous

637
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: about snakes. Hasn't encountered him, he says, he hears the

638
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: anti venom is a waste of time and money. Yeah, yeah,

639
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: it's you know, unfortunately, like this is a part of

640
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: veterinary medicine, where yet you're gonna have a bunch of

641
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: folks that agree with you and a bunch of folks

642
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: that go like, yeah, but it's your dog. Um, So

643
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: there's no anti venom? Is this cocktail of venoms from

644
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: common snakes? For instance, the one that we used on

645
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: Snorret doesn't even contain the venom from the Great Bay

646
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: Sin rattlesnake which she was bit by. Um. But she

647
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: had an incredibly positive reaction to the anti venom, And

648
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm very glad that we used it, and we used

649
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: it at a time at which most people, even like

650
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: the pro anti venom people would be like yeah, it's

651
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: not gonna help, so it's late basically in the process

652
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: earlier the better is the golden rule. Uh, and we

653
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: used it at the twenty three hour mark, I think

654
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: mark almost instantaneous positive results. So UM. I had been

655
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: on the phone with several vet friends of mine, UM

656
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: when I did get cell service, and they all said,

657
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: you know, like they weren't there witnessing the situation. They weren't.

658
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: They were definitely like listening to me, but also going

659
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: off of their past experience of you know, in j role,

660
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: labradors do not die from rattle snake bites in general, right, Um,

661
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: don't you know the dog is gonna be very uncomfortable,

662
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: don't worry about anti venim Um, she'll make it. You know,

663
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be pleasant, but she'll make it. And

664
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: they're saying that body mass wise because I always heard

665
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: the smaller dogs more likely to die from rattle snakes

666
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: or poisonous snakes in general, larger dogs better off. I

667
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: think that that's definitely a rule. But it's just like

668
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: dogs are face level with snakes, you know, from the

669
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: beginning of time, and they're just built to handle that

670
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: stuff way better than we are. And I brought up

671
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: this case from a human that had been bitten in

672
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: the same region and he ended up spending like three

673
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: months in the hospital and I think lost at least

674
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: a portion of his leg. And I was like, well,

675
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: what about this guy, big, big football player type guy.

676
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: And the straight up was like people are sissies compared

677
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: to dogs, Like he's not a fair comparison. Do you

678
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: know that hunting guy in Arizona Lee Hop You ever

679
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: met him? I have not? No, no, Well yeah, but

680
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, that guy knows his biz.

681
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: If you ever in the hunting guide business in Arizona

682
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: need a hunting guide, that guy knows his situation real well, yeah,

683
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: he got zapped by one spent time in the hospital.

684
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: He's like, it's like you say, most dogs don't of

685
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: the people that get bit by rattlesnake don't die. I

686
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: would have thought it'd be so much higher than that.

687
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: Not say that again, of people that get bit by

688
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: a rattlestone do not die. But have y'all have y'all

689
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: heard me talk about my friend Fred Lally that's been

690
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: bit like twenty He can't he doesn't even know how

691
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: many times he's been bit by venomous snakes. He was

692
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: on that he was a snake handler. He's been bit

693
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: by king cobra's, uh, multiple type rattles all the rattlesnakes

694
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: in North America. Yeah, and uh a couple of venomous

695
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: snakes from Asia, and uh he likes it all he does.

696
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: He take anti ven him resistance. Fred Lally. He's eighty

697
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: one years old. He's missing a big section of his hand,

698
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: and uh he he would not go to the hospital

699
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: for a for a common snake bite, for a king

700
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: cobra or something. He probably would, but wild, I mean,

701
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't even want to. I appreciate you sharing that,

702
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: but what but but tell me more like, well, I

703
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: just we're just talking about annam him and he he

704
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: doesn't he most of his snake bites. He never went

705
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: to the hospital. Yeah, it was just cool. I just

706
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: have a friend a bit twenty times, that's all. I

707
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: had a friend by a rattlesnake and he went to

708
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: the hospital, but they didn't have the anti venom so

709
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: they put him on a helicopter and flew him to

710
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: another town. And he went up with a nine thousand

711
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: dollar bill for the helicopter flight. Uninsured. Did they give

712
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: him the anti venom or did they billings and hit

713
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: him with the anti venom? And he said the real

714
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: stinger was a nine thousand dollar helicopter ride. I haven't

715
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: talked about it with him in a long time, but

716
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: he was pointing out way back then that he was

717
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: still trying to like sort that whole thing out all

718
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: the money he owed for that. I uh, yeah, But

719
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: to stick with the anti venom um, I you know,

720
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's your dog. You gotta make make the decision.

721
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: And you can see how they are reacting to the

722
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 1: bite um. I think snort either is has a strong

723
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: reaction to rattlesnake venom or she got a lot of venom.

724
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: And the thing that you will always come to no

725
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: matter how many vets you talk too is they do

726
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: not know how much venom is administered. Like it could

727
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: be a dry bite quote unquote dry bite where there

728
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: is very very little to zero venom injected by the snake,

729
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: or it could be a crazy huge amount and it's

730
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: just like an unknown Well always heard along those lines.

731
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: With snakes, the babies are more dangerous because they can't

732
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: moderate the amount of venom they deliver. I have no

733
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: idea if that's real, but I've heard that pretty consistently

734
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: through the years. Yeah, I've heard that too, and I

735
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: know I think there is a study that's kind of

736
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: gone through that, and I think I probably I shouldn't

737
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: even comment. I think there is something to that, but

738
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: it's like not as as black and White would wish

739
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: it would be. Yeah, Kel, I want to get into one. UM.

740
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've been following it, it's it's

741
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: tough one to get into the the hunting closures in Alaska.

742
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: It's like it's like you have to do like an

743
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: eight hour special on the same but we're gonna do

744
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna it's not gonna We're not gonna do that. No,

745
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: we we need need to find some experts though, because

746
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: I think you do you want to summarize this, summarize,

747
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: but I'm just trying to think of where to begin

748
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: with the with with one of the Russians were came

749
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: to Alaska. So oh my god, enough people that like

750
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: I I like, we we covered another version of this before,

751
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: but I want I want to get into this. This

752
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: news item from Alaska UM a kind of troubling news thing,

753
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: A troubling thing that keeps happening in Alaska. So I

754
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: have often um, I have often explained how I am

755
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: very supportive of federal land management agencies. Like there's the

756
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: thing the Feds do well. I think the FEDS do

757
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: land management well. Um uh, they with with you know,

758
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: all the land management agencies. We have the National Park Service.

759
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: I don't hang out them that stuff much, but it's there.

760
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: Bureau Land Management hang out a lout their USDA National

761
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: forest Lands hang out a lot there. National Wildlife refuge

762
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: National wildlife refugees kind of Bureau of Reclamation. Yeah, um yeah,

763
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: they have some of the most. The Bureau Reclamation, as

764
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: we now know, has the most some of the most

765
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: know not some has the most visited public lands in

766
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: the country. Is that because of like reservoirs, Yeah, they

767
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: have that. They have the most visited piece of public

768
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: federal public land in the country to administered by the

769
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: Bureau of They are no, I think they have the

770
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: most visitors. It makes total Lake of the Ozarks Missouri

771
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: like places like that, amazing pit toilets. What makes what

772
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: makes federal land like ladder to get out the one

773
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: we're talking about, we carved early Yeah, we covered a

774
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: state pit toilet earlier, and happens in there. There's no ladder,

775
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: don't even put a line free to grab. So what

776
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: was one might be like, well, why would the Feds

777
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: be good at land management? The Feds are good at

778
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: land management because they're um, they're more immune to the

779
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: to they're immune to some of the whims that take

780
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: over at the state level, and they have a different

781
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: financial structure. So we have well funded federal land management

782
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: agencies and they can manage lands. They can manage public

783
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: lands and perpetuity. What happens at the state level, Oftentimes

784
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: the states have a lot of pressure to monetize land, right,

785
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: So many times states will have state land and it's

786
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: in the constitution that the state land be be monetized,

787
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: not long term, but short term monetized for short term game. Right. Um,

788
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: you might have states that have state land and then

789
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: it's such that you can't spend the night on the

790
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: state land or you need a special permit utiliz as

791
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: the state land or the state land gets leased out

792
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 1: for livestock grazing, which means then that the public has

793
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: no access to it. Conversely, the Bureau Land Management land

794
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: leases livestock grazing on a chunk of land that doesn't

795
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: affect the public's ability to hunt on camp on use

796
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: the land. UM. The multi use doctrine that the you know,

797
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: the multi use doctrine with um Our National Forest is

798
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: like it's like a beautiful doctrine where they're saying, we

799
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: have this land, we're managing it for many uses, some

800
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: of its wildlife habitats, some of its timber extraction. Uh.

801
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: We have pieces of land that they've managed for well

802
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: in excessive a hundred years. Uh. A lot of wonderful

803
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: land management comes out of there. But I don't think

804
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: that the Feds do a very Their talents expire when

805
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: it comes to wildlife management. That's my personal opinion, with

806
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: the excess option of things that are legitimately like like

807
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: things that are on the Endangered Species you know, the

808
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: things that are listening on the Endangered Species Act that

809
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: are legitimately endangered. UM. There are some great federal protections

810
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: to help recover those things. But when it comes to

811
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: the management of fish and game species that is a

812
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: state game state, they do it best. That's my preface.

813
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: You take objections ay of that, Okay, it would be

814
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: you know there's exceptions to everything you ask. I'm like, well,

815
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: migratory birds, and that's a wrinkle because no state gets

816
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: to manage it on their own right. And let's explain

817
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: why they. Why do you? Why does the feds? Okay,

818
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: let let's look at this for ment. Sean has brought

819
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: up the great exception ducks and geese. So migratory waterfalls

820
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: managed at the federal and state level. I because they

821
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 1: move from state to state, So you can't have one state,

822
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: say let's say Louisiana, Texas, from now on, we're gonna

823
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: have it be that ducks are always open and there's

824
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: no bag limit. It's our wildlife right, which would completely

825
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: screw everybody else. So you're boning everybody else on the flyaway.

826
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: So in that case, there's federal oversight. Well, I'll point

827
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: out another great example halib it because like on the Pacific,

828
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: so on our Pacific coast, halibut move around. Halibut are

829
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: managed not just at the federal, state, state, federal, international level,

830
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: because we have treaties, same way we have WATERFALLO treaties

831
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: with Mexico, we have treaties with Canada about how we

832
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 1: manage our halibut. So you're right, there are cases. Yeah,

833
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: but it's like it's not a clear cut and dry

834
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: case with migratory birds because you don't know what it it.

835
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't even exist that there would ever be like

836
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: a state management versus federal management. Nothing compared, there's no comparison,

837
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: no control. Yeah, this is all just a preamble to

838
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: try I'm just trying to lay a little ground. Yeah, yeah,

839
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: for what's going on in Alaska. In Alaska, you have

840
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: these federal subsistence boards. Okay, so let me give you.

841
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: I'll give you like a little tidbit about Alaska that

842
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: isn't gonna um that doesn't actually have anything to do

843
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: with what I'm talking about, but it's just interesting Alaska,

844
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: Like at the highest levels when it comes to the

845
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: allocation of natural resources like fish and game resources in Alaska,

846
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: at the highest level, when it comes to allocation, they

847
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: look at it like tiered use, okay, top tier use

848
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: of subsistence, right, so that the subsistence user group and

849
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: subsistence has nothing to do with your income, Like like

850
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: to be a subsistence user in Alaska for the most part,

851
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: has nothing to do you could be you know, uh,

852
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: uh uh tells his name doesn't want to buy Twitter.

853
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: Elon Musk could move to Cassan, Alaska. He could move

854
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: to wherever Arctic circles. But Elon Musk could move to

855
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: certain Alaskan like zip codes and he would become a

856
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: subsistence user based on his location. Okay, so it's not

857
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: doled out by need, It's doled out by location. M

858
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: Those subsistence users are always like gonna get they they

859
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: eat first, next is the next. It eats first is commercial. Okay,

860
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: so subsistence, commercial, recreational eats last in Alaska. Um, that's

861
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 1: just like a high level view on resources. I didn't

862
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: know that commercial commercial trump. If someone's gonna give up,

863
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: if something's getting paired down and someone's gonna give up,

864
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be recreation. So would be recreational. Well but

865
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: what I mean the type of hunting we would do it? Yeah,

866
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: very Yeah you're the low, like like we're the lowest

867
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: of the low. Yeah, we're non resident. You're like nonresident recreational,

868
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: which people are like, dude, everything is luxury resident. It's

869
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: like no one cares. Just to be clear here, there

870
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: are in state recreational users, right and the way it

871
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: typically like subsistence is defined is by typically if you

872
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: have to travel some amount of distance, like you're not

873
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: a subsistence user, which is something that's been been fought

874
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: over greatly and even that's crazy. So for example, we're

875
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: just getting hug. Yeah, I feel like I want to

876
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: argue about this before we can get into and I

877
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: haven't gotten to the point. But let me tell you.

878
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: Let me tell you another interesting wrinkle. Okay. Let's say, uh,

879
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: let's say you're a federal you're federally qualified subsistence user. Okay,

880
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: So let's say you live in southeast Alaska and you're

881
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: a federally qualified subsistence user. You can set a thirty

882
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: hook longline for halibate. Okay, just based off your zip

883
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: code if you're qualified federal subsistency, So based on your where,

884
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: based on where exactly you live, right, you might qualify

885
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: to set a thirty hook long line for haliban which

886
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: are federally regulated. Okay. Now, if you live an anchorage,

887
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: but you go to this area where you're allowed to

888
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: set this thirty this thirty hook longline, you're not allowed

889
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: to because you're not a federal subsistence user. However, if

890
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: you live in downtown, you could live in a mansion

891
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: in downtown Anchorage in travel to a place that has

892
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: state subsistence regulations, and then you can fish under state subsistence.

893
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: So you can go and role play as a state

894
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: subsistence user. So if you're an anchorage and you travel

895
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: to an area and let's say Prince Wales Island, you

896
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: live in Anchorage, you go to Prince Wales Island, you

897
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: may not set a thirty hook skate they're a thirty

898
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: hook longline for halibit, because that's a federal, federally regulated

899
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: species and you're not federal subsistence. You can, however, set

900
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: a one hundred hook sable fish long line because even

901
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: though you can't do it where you live an anchorage,

902
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,479
Speaker 1: you are now acting as a subsistence user where you are.

903
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: But if you catch a halibit on your longline, you

904
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: must let it go. Hmm, let me give you another one.

905
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: You are, you live in a mansion and anchorage, You

906
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: go to Prince of Wales Island, and you drop your

907
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: rod and reel down. You are allowed zero yellow eye

908
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: rock fish and one other species of nonplagic rock fish

909
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: per day. If you leave your rod at home and

910
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: go out with a hand line. You go to the

911
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: same spot, same bait, same hook, with a hand line.

912
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: There is no limit to how many non plagic rock

913
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: fish you can have because you're using subsistence tactics. So

914
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: two things A I'm confused, yeah, oh yeah. B I subsist.

915
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: I feel like when I go shooting ELK, I'm subsisting

916
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: off the l I'm not gonna buy me. But you

917
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: can't get into like imagine the world, Like I support

918
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: all of this. I want to point out like imagine

919
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: that you had to um, if you're a rural resident

920
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: in Alaska, you don't need to go prove how bad

921
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: you need it. It's just where you live and and

922
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: and here's the you go back to statehood. A wrinkle

923
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: with Alaska, even like accepting stayhod or wanting statehood, was

924
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: the ability like historically, socially, culturally, like we are people

925
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: who live off the land, and they need to be

926
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: able to be that people in rural areas in Alaska

927
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: can have a way to live off the land. How

928
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: it came to be that you can go to an

929
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: area that you don't live in vacation there and use

930
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: local subsistence strategies that you have to ask someone else

931
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: how that ever came to be a thing. I don't know.

932
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: Is there any to get into the ah? I don't

933
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: believe it. With like a heavy pause, I need to

934
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: think it over. So your main is the main thing

935
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: in life that I think about. Is there anywhere even

936
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: close in the US with a stringent and complex of

937
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: game laws. No, there's nothing, even because they're they're managing

938
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: like a dozen big game animals they have, like think

939
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: how big they I mean it's different fish, they got

940
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: a mountain range beside of California. It's like they're they're

941
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: managing all those big game animals, managing a huge commercial industry.

942
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: You have subsistence people, you have Native Alaskan villages where

943
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: people have historically lived off the land. It's like it's

944
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: it's well, there's twenty seven game management units which are

945
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: divided and then divided again. It's it's complex incredibly and

946
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: they do and I feel that they generally. I feel

947
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: the State of Alaska like I feel the State of Alaska.

948
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: Jonging does like a phenomenal job sorting out all this complexity,

949
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: all these user groups, and you know, their wolves are

950
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: not on the endangered species list. They're grizzlies aren't on

951
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: the endangered species list. They have an intact regime of megafauna.

952
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: Mm hm. They got good salmon runs, could be like,

953
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: well they got lucky. Okay, they haven't blown it, but

954
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: now we need to talk about what's oh that are

955
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: not doing so well. But we're not there yet. Okay.

956
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: There's a thing that happened in the Western Arctic around

957
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: the Western Arctic Cariboo heard and this is very contentious.

958
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: So these are places like I've been to and hunted

959
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: places in the Brooks Range that a few years back,

960
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: and we covered this a few years back. Um, the

961
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: Federal Subsistence Board came in an over road what the

962
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: state wanted to do with their wildlife management plan, and

963
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: they made this thing where non local, so not not

964
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: even subsistence users from other places. They made a thing

965
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: where they took this huge quadrant basically like a quadrant

966
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: of Alaska, the northwest quadrant of Alaska, and closed it

967
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: to non made it illegal for non locals to hunt

968
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: caribou in some of the you know, remotest like mathematically

969
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: remotest parts of the North American landscape. Um. It was

970
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: cited as being like resource conflict okay, because there was

971
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: competition for resource near villages between locals and non locals,

972
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: and how do you feel about how that might sound.

973
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: It was not what the state wanted, and the state

974
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: felt that there's no reason to even argue that that's necessary.

975
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: This thinking has now spread. There's an area so everything

976
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: west of the Saga is a hard river to pronounce,

977
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: and I've canoed down and whatnot. The Saga the nerk

978
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: talk river folks called the sag Um some of the

979
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: only not the only, one of few places that you

980
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: can go and one of the few places you can

981
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: go in Alaska and uh hunt doll sheep and really

982
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: good doll sheep country from the road system. There's a

983
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: handful of spots. It's hard. People do it every year.

984
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: It's it's hard, but this is this is one of

985
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,479
Speaker 1: those spots. Um. They've had some brutal years on sheet

986
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: sheep numbers a way down now. The Western Interior Alaska

987
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: Subsistence Regional Advisory Council just managed to close doll sheep

988
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: hunting for all users on one point million acres of land,

989
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: against the recommendation of the state. How many acres one

990
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: point eight million, one eight million acres of land and Steve,

991
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: that board does that? Where does that sit in sort

992
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: of the federal hierarchy? Is that US fishing wildlife? Is

993
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: that like a or is that its own whole thing?

994
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: It's part of the Federal Subsistence Board is a federal

995
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: subsistence board based in Alaska and like made up of

996
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: people making decisions that are Alaskans or are they sitting?

997
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: The federal board rep resents federal subsistence. You federally designated

998
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: subsistence users in Alaska to local board. They're broken out

999
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: into regions. But in this case you have the state

1000
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: biologists saying, because because here's the rink with doll sheet management,

1001
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: it's a full courl. These areas have a full curl restriction.

1002
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: A rama is gonna hit full curl till he's eight

1003
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: nine years old. He's gonna die when he's eleven. So

1004
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: they've had some bad winners that really hampered cheap. The

1005
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: state is saying, our management plan, it doesn't matter like

1006
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: they're killing about like in one of these areas, when

1007
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: of these archery areas they're killing about five mature rams

1008
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: a year. A lot of people get to try. It's

1009
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: very little success rates, but they're killing about five rams

1010
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: a year. They don't even have a fresh survey. It's

1011
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: it's like it's anecdotal what people are seeing. They're seeing

1012
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: they had some rough winners. Sheep numbers are down. The

1013
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: state whose job it is to do this kind of thing,

1014
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: is saying there's like sheep numbers are down. Hunting mature

1015
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: rams is not going to affect sheep populations. We're not

1016
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: killing you's, we're not killing lambs. You're killing mature animals

1017
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: that are that are arguably at the end of their life.

1018
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: It has no impact. But then the FED comes in

1019
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: and says, like, no more sheep hunting on one point

1020
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: eight million acres of land. Screw your professional perspective through said,

1021
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: and what's their impetus, what's their motivation? Like if if

1022
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: we were to try to speculate or they say why

1023
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: someone feels, well, like there was some bad winners, sheep

1024
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: numbers are down, and someone feels that somehow or another,

1025
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: not killing mature rams five adult rams is going to

1026
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: help rebound sheep numbers that state biologists feel, and not

1027
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: just that the Wild Sheep Foundation is against this, like

1028
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: everybody's coming out against this, and it's just this alarming trend.

1029
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: Is this alarming trend of of you have a fashional

1030
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: agency that has a like an amazing track record of

1031
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: managing big game and imagining a disparate bit a use

1032
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: a disparate user group who now, like outside of any

1033
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: kind of scientific reasoning or any kind of scientific understanding,

1034
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,959
Speaker 1: people are just sort of like coming in and making

1035
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: these like extremely arbitrary massive closures shutting out hunter like

1036
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: shutting out hunters on areas like like almost on a whim.

1037
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: It's like whimsical. Uh I I. So the survey that

1038
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: the data is based on is a two thousand twelve survey. Um,

1039
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: there's twenty five per cent of of that two thousand

1040
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: twelve number left in the current population, is what what

1041
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: they're saying. So it's like it is an alarming drop

1042
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: population wise since two thousand twelve. UM. When I first

1043
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: heard of the closure, my gut reaction is like, oh,

1044
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:11,919
Speaker 1: that finally happened because at places like Sheep Show, I've

1045
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: had conversations without fitters who have told me, you know,

1046
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: eventually this is going to get shut down because something

1047
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: is going on with the sheep population now very anecdotal,

1048
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: but i'll hit some added wrinkles. Well, let me let

1049
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: me finish this. So then when I got around to

1050
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: reading about this after my gut reaction of I was

1051
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: actually quite surprised to get the state that the state was.

1052
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: I assumed that, oh, yeah, that thing is finally happening

1053
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: that I had heard about years ago at this point,

1054
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: and so I was pretty surprised that the state of

1055
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: Aliaska was not in support of UM. But the it

1056
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: sounds like there's a gap in the current data. Well,

1057
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: here's why it's a little here's why it's a little

1058
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: unfair to lump it in with the caribou, like the

1059
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: caribou moose stuff in in the in the Western Brooks Range.

1060
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: It becomes a little bit unfair because, uh there, it's

1061
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: like it's being closed to non local users. Here they're

1062
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: closing it even to subsistence users because people can hunt

1063
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 1: sheep on like like local federal subsistence people can hunt

1064
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: sheep outside of the full full curl restriction. So if

1065
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: you were really trying to stop harvest, you might go

1066
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 1: in and say, okay, we're gonna stop harvest. The federal

1067
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: subsistence users are gonna stop harvest because they can shoot

1068
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: using lambs, or we're gonna change their regulations around the

1069
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: state is the state their use of non their non

1070
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: subsistence hunters who have a full curl restriction shouldn't be

1071
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,879
Speaker 1: getting rolled into this. But it's like, well, if everyone's

1072
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: gonna take a hit, if someone has to take a hit,

1073
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: everyone will take a hit. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh kind

1074
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: of akin to I don't know what pops to mind.

1075
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: Is like sage grouse right where it's like, we know

1076
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: the girls are getting beat up from a bunch of

1077
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: different factors, but we also know that hunting isn't one

1078
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: of those factors. Like he doesn't factory into like the

1079
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: long term viability of these populations, um, and we need

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01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: hunting around in order to a gain data, be keep

1081
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: some public interest on on this bird because eventually we're

1082
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: gonna need to get a bunch of support to help

1083
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: this thing out and figure out the fact that's kind

1084
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: of like one of my big access to the grind

1085
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: right now is the death spiral of sage grouse participation. Yeah.

1086
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: Oh you know what's funny I felt, uh the one

1087
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: concerted effort I made to hunt stage grouse, and we

1088
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 1: did an episode about it. It was right when they

1089
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: everybody was still celebrating the they came up with these

1090
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: great comp mises in the in the in sage brush country,

1091
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:07,440
Speaker 1: some sage brush see you know, areas of whelming northern Colorado,

1092
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 1: portions of Idaho. They came up with all these great compromises.

1093
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: They had this stellar sage Gross recovery plan put together.

1094
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: The Secretary of Interior at that was that Sally Jewel

1095
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: at the time. She was when it was completed. It

1096
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: was her um. They announced that ees A protection is

1097
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: not warranted, and it was kind of like ees A

1098
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: protection is not warranted because y'all have put together an

1099
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: adequate plan to avert disaster. A huge Kumbaya moment, huge,

1100
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 1: everybody was excited, and it was it was sort of

1101
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: like the they were rewarding the plan by not doing it,

1102
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: and then they just, I mean, uh, elements of the

1103
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: Trump administration just like wholeheartedly ditched the plan. To just

1104
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: ditched the plan. But in those sort of like halcyon

1105
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: days of thinking that the plan was in place, I

1106
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: went and hunted sage gross and felt weird doing it. Yeah,

1107
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 1: I actually went back and watched that episode at some

1108
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: point in the last year two during sad obsession with

1109
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: sage grouse, and I remember being like, oh man, that

1110
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: sounds great. No, that didn't happen, but it felt weird,

1111
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: Like a minute ago they were going to declare it

1112
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 1: an endangered species, but now that they didn't, we're gonna

1113
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: go hunt for them. Like how do you explain that

1114
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: to a five year old? But it was funny because

1115
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: so many people in the sage grouse recovery world, we're

1116
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: welcoming and encouraging hunting because they're like, we want public

1117
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: participation in the resource, and it's it's a negligible harvest,

1118
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: like the hunter harvest doesn't matter. What matters is the habitat, loss, fence, strikes,

1119
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: all these other things. Um, but it did feel funny. Yeah, yeah,

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01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to reil the conversation. I can talk

1121
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: about stage grauss a lot, but sheep felt weird cheap.

1122
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: But with sheep, sure, you'd like, okay, sheep numbers way

1123
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: down the whatever, does it feel funny to go hunt

1124
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: a full curl ram in that area? I'd be like,

1125
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't like that full curl ram doesn't matter. The

1126
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: biologist to tell you to shoot him. It doesn't matter. Well,

1127
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: quick question. When you said subsistence, subsistence and sheep don't

1128
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 1: go together. In my head, you need to go. You

1129
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: need to go read uh Stephenson's My Life with the Eskimo.

1130
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: So they're killing a lot of sheep. Somebody's killing a

1131
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: lot of sheeps. I mean historical. I mean people. Have

1132
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 1: you ever read Osborne Russell's Journal of a Trapper? I have,

1133
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: but that's mountain sheep in at It's interesting because the

1134
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: one spot in that book he talks about when they're

1135
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: living off bison, they got where they couldn't find any

1136
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: and decided to go win your way up hind the mountains. Yeah,

1137
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: so they could hunt big horns. You know. I kind

1138
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 1: of got a piece of that. Recently. I was tickled.

1139
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: We did a buddy of mine got married on the

1140
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: main Salmon River and we did a week long trip

1141
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: and we saw in x as many sheep as we

1142
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: saw deer, and I was like, holy shit, it's like

1143
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: in the good old day. It was awesome when he

1144
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 1: used to see four or fide. We didn't see that

1145
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: many at all, But but funny like that was a

1146
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 1: super stable and common food source for people who weren't

1147
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: quote unquote in sheep shape. It was like, oh, I

1148
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: gotta go get some food for you don't know they

1149
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: were in sheep shape. It was like cookie going out

1150
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: to slide some meat underneath the tar. You know, really

1151
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: didn't have ergonomic boots with like really nice insuls. In

1152
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: My Life True In My Life with the Eskimo, which

1153
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: is written in the early nine hundreds, he talks about

1154
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 1: Native Alaskans who live in the high country, the Brooks Range.

1155
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: All their clothes are white, all their blankets are white,

1156
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: that they live off sheep. That is badass. Well, it's

1157
01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 1: kind of the sheep eaters in Central very similar people there.

1158
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 1: There's folks were definitely sheep shape seasonally and otherwise would

1159
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:10,560
Speaker 1: just be doll sheep specialists. So there's there's definitely a

1160
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: subsistence component to it. It's just and you know, no

1161
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: matter what you feel like like being a guy that

1162
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: doesn't live in Alaska, I'm like a tourist there. You know,

1163
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: we we have a shack there, but we're not anything

1164
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: but anything but locals. I'm like a person that loves

1165
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: the place and I kind of recognize where's my business,

1166
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 1: not my business. It's not my business, and it's carpetbagging. However,

1167
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: it's alarming. It's alarming because it's a broad It's like

1168
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: I just hate to see people's I hate to see

1169
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:47,560
Speaker 1: people's hunting and fishing privileges stripped away, especially when the agency,

1170
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: like when a trusted agency manager is saying this is unnecessary. Well,

1171
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 1: it definitely feels a little grizzly bearish to me from

1172
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: the Northern Rockies. There's a little bit of a we

1173
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: don't know anything about the I'm sorry for we don't

1174
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 1: know anything about the the motivations of the actual people

1175
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 1: that made this decision. I mean that when they getting pressure,

1176
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: it was their political pressure. Was that we don't know

1177
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 1: that for every decision that's that's like on the docket,

1178
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: there's like a public comment period, right, so like I

1179
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 1: guess their constituents, for lack of of a better word,

1180
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: can call him and you know, kind of give their

1181
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: opinion on the matter. Um, but as we think they

1182
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: made this decision based on that, that's that would be

1183
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: the whole right, I mean, that's the way the system

1184
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: is supposed to like the each member of that board

1185
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: is supposed to be representing not just their own thoughts.

1186
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: But you know, people are people. So remember that Depeche

1187
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: Mode song. People people go yeah, but you know it

1188
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: hurts right when they use broad strokes. I guess, I

1189
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 1: guess what I'm getting at. It's like some of the

1190
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: some of the grizzly bear stuff in British Columbia, and

1191
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: you see different places where for sure, like an anti

1192
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 1: hunting agenda or some agenda outside of the conservation management space.

1193
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: It's like it's pushing people to make decisions. This is

1194
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 1: probably not that. So yeah, so that's a great point.

1195
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 1: I'll touch that real quick. The decision not to hunt

1196
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 1: doves in Michigan is nothing to do with biology. It's

1197
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: social talleans for killing a symbol of peace. Okay, so

1198
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 1: it was advertised as like a dove is a symbol

1199
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: of peace. How can we allow hunting of a symbol

1200
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: of peace in this state? And people voted it down

1201
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 1: many years ago. Nothing to do with nothing to do

1202
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 1: with dove populations. You can't doves in Michigan, but they're delicious.

1203
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 1: Couldn't sur forever in Iowa, I don't think you can still.

1204
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: But another example be grizzly bears in the northern in

1205
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: the Northern Rocky ecosystem. It's not a biological thing, it's

1206
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: a social thing. Like people, they can't stomach the idea

1207
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:58,560
Speaker 1: of killing the bears has nothing to do with the

1208
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 1: number of them or the viability the population in this case,

1209
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: the stuff in the wet in the in the Western

1210
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: Brooks Range with the caribou moose. It's about wanting to

1211
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: protect my own And you have people who you have

1212
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: local on the ground, individuals who have a mechanism by

1213
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 1: which they can keep a resource for themselves and not

1214
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: have competition from other people coming in and disturbing that,

1215
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: and they utilize the mechanism. It's like, I don't think

1216
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: that they would come and tell you it's anything, but

1217
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: it's anything but like a selfish desire. And then when we,

1218
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, initially talked about the cariboo closures, we we

1219
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: tackled that right, and it's like, how it's like, if

1220
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: you had the ability to uh close down your favorite

1221
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: hunting unit to just just the folks in your community

1222
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: in order to relieve the pressure from nonresidents or folks

1223
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: outside of that county, would you you know, yeah, your name, Yeah,

1224
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: Like let's say you have let's say, yeah, let's say

1225
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: they have a river access you have a river access site,

1226
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: and there's competent and there's conflict between floaters and fishers.

1227
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: So tubers, mom's taking their kids swimming, um, people who

1228
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: just talk loud. Yeah, those people moms taking their kids

1229
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 1: swimming versus mom taking their kids fishing. And they and

1230
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: they all get in a fight. And then and then

1231
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: some ages come says, Okay, the only way you can

1232
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: use this river access site as if you're fishing. Done deal, No, no,

1233
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: no talking. Half the people are gonna be like sweet, yeah,

1234
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna be quiet about it. Yeah. When

1235
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,640
Speaker 1: I came into the brand new first Light store, I

1236
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 1: couldn't help. But notice I couldn't helping those large display

1237
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 1: right off the bat, first rack in, first racking of

1238
01:18:52,520 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 1: an unusual assortment first Light waterfowl first, some other whole

1239
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: build up. Who wants who want to talk about that?

1240
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: You don't like that build up? Tell us Sean or

1241
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: whoever who wants to talk about this. Sean is the

1242
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: most legitimate duck hunter here and that should start with

1243
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: passion from Shahn's Dark Report. Do you get emails about

1244
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: Sean's Dark report. Uh, some emails, probably more Instagram messages,

1245
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: but corrections or helpful stuff. UM. Yeah, usually just like

1246
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: kind of added on things like you know, here's something

1247
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,759
Speaker 1: else I want you to do a duck report about

1248
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: A lot of that, A lot of like you should

1249
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: do a duck report on this. Um back to the

1250
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 1: rack when you first come in the store. Um, we're

1251
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: working on have been working on for quite some time.

1252
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 1: Something that. Another thing I've been getting all the Instagram

1253
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: messages about, real tight lipped about is uh new First

1254
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: Light waiters they coming, which is by far the product

1255
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm most stoked on and most pumped about. Like our

1256
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: launched this year First Light waterfowl stuff was fun and

1257
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: cool and all good stuff. But you know, there's a

1258
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: reason that my Instagram messages and emails were flooded with

1259
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: So are you guys gonna do waiters? When are the

1260
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: waiters coming? Tell me about waiters? Are there waiters? I

1261
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: don't see you in waiters. But we've been keeping it

1262
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 1: even from a non you know, a non pretty tight yeah,

1263
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: trying to even I'm getting emails about that and no

1264
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: one knows who I know Instagram lest forward, Oh yeah,

1265
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: I mean just hey, so trying to buy waiters this summer.

1266
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 1: I know you're not gonna tell me, but should I

1267
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: buy waiters this summer? And I'm like like, wink, you're right,

1268
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't blink. If first lights coming out with waiters,

1269
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 1: like summer is a hot time for waiter, buy him.

1270
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:00,080
Speaker 1: So let's layout, like what what is the full? What?

1271
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 1: What is the full waterfowl? Like what all is available currently? Yeah? So?

1272
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: And and why like why the timeline? You know, well,

1273
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 1: I mean what we have out right now is a

1274
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: smattering of existing for slight products that makes sense as

1275
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: waterfowl products with additional design pieces heavy smattering. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, fair,

1276
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 1: But like we have right all the first slight wool

1277
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 1: that makes sense as waterfowl gear. And then in addition

1278
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 1: to that, like we have the refuge collection and the

1279
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: ground control pack and the LZ and things that are

1280
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 1: waterfowl specific and designed for water fowlers. But um, you know,

1281
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 1: of course one of the things that all water fowlers

1282
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 1: use and need is waiters. But waiters are they are

1283
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: probably the most demanding product. Like they are the thing

1284
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 1: that's hardest to get right and takes the most time

1285
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: to get right. And I mean you're expecting something to

1286
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 1: work both as a like beating through the brush, breaking

1287
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: through sticks and ice, and also being impenetrable and waterproof. Yeah,

1288
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,640
Speaker 1: for long periods time, more than a day. There's a

1289
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 1: bit of a bit of a unicorn. Yeah. It reminds

1290
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: me back in the day when I first started working

1291
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 1: at First Light, working the phones. I used to get

1292
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 1: to callings like I'm looking for Jack. It's insulated, it's waterproof,

1293
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: it's breathable, and it makes you invisible. Like my response

1294
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: would be like, if you can make that jacket, I

1295
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: will buy it. I'm not Superman. We don't currently stock it, unfortunately,

1296
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 1: but it's true. With waiters, it's similar. You kind of

1297
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: needed to do damn near everything. I think what deals

1298
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,759
Speaker 1: more death the waiters and anything on that well, barbedware, fences,

1299
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: beaver hard beavers are on waiters, man, they're excellent pungee

1300
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 1: pitch little pungee stick an ice man like that is

1301
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 1: like just kicking ice for hard right at the top

1302
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 1: of the boot, especially when you're in that shop, like

1303
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: their shin that stuff where you're using your shin to

1304
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: chunk up ice and that that is a cool thing

1305
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: about these bad boys, right, These are not your No, no,

1306
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,640
Speaker 1: these waiters are. They're the real deal. They're serious. And

1307
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: you put beaver proof on the label, I flip. They

1308
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: think that'd mean attacked by a beaver. We could just

1309
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: make a sweet little logo to put on the outside

1310
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:40,560
Speaker 1: beaver chewed stickproof, just angry beaver. When I was I

1311
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 1: used to have this uh Chevy pick up and we

1312
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: put uh we I ripped the exhaust out and put

1313
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: cherry bombs on it, as one does, and just straight

1314
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: pipes out the back and didn't cut the straight left

1315
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 1: the straight pipes a little too long. And I one

1316
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 1: time on the UH so I'd be like messing around,

1317
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: reaching into the back of the truck, trapping with my

1318
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: waiters on in and out, in and out and out.

1319
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: And I remember standing there and smelling something and burned

1320
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: a hole through. Burned a hole through the right leg

1321
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: of the waiter right above the knee on that straight pipe,

1322
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: and then later the day that day, the same day,

1323
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: burned a hole through the other waiter on the left pipe.

1324
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: I've burned matching like matching round exhaust pipe hole. I

1325
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 1: have done that, not on a pipe, but on sunflower heaters,

1326
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: on those real cold days where you like, I gotta

1327
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 1: get as warm as I can and you hug that

1328
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: sunflower heater in the blind just little too close. But

1329
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: these these waiters are you know, I not. It's like

1330
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: it's just a thing. It's a fact that I got.

1331
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,639
Speaker 1: I don't know how I destroy waiters in the way

1332
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,560
Speaker 1: I do, but last year I think I was on

1333
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: my six pair of waiters. By the end of the season.

1334
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, man, do you get you spend

1335
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: more time returning waiters then you do in your waiters.

1336
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: Something you need to get yourself a patch, kid man.

1337
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 1: I used to like I used to be going through

1338
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: a muskrat trap and season were waiters and that, And

1339
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 1: I will say, like, when you're on the road as

1340
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: much as I was, it was just like those ones leaked.

1341
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: Now move on to the next set. And by the

1342
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: last duck hunt of the year, I made clay where

1343
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 1: where holy waiters. He's like, these waiters leaked because I'm

1344
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: already wet, dude, this is the last thing I had left.

1345
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: I only had one pair of waiters. He was gonna

1346
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 1: take care of me. We were gonna we were gonna hunt.

1347
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: And he was like, man, I got I got some

1348
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: sweet waiters, I mean Sean, Sean, we were from duck

1349
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: Lore and Challenge fair Like, I gotta be clear here,

1350
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: these are not for slight waiters, right, We're filming duck Lore,

1351
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 1: and so I had to be wearing waiters on duck

1352
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: Lore that weren't first light waiters because we weren't showing

1353
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: them yet. But on all the nonm yeah, the camera

1354
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,560
Speaker 1: guys got to wear like the best waiters. I was

1355
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: super jealous because I'm wearing these huge, baggy waiters that leaked,

1356
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 1: and then the camera guys were wearing the first light

1357
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: waters sleek that kind of pisses me awful. Hey, so

1358
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 1: you're you're you're tiptoeing around that these are these are

1359
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: designed to be super tough and now and and so

1360
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 1: when I was with Sean, I I don't I didn't

1361
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 1: know much about waterfowl hunting, and I just like in private,

1362
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 1: so this is this is a look into our private conversation.

1363
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: In private, I was like, tell me the truth. Are

1364
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 1: these waiters any good? And I mean, Sean was kind

1365
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: of upset about just life in general, so I was

1366
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 1: waiting for him to just be like, man, they're okay.

1367
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 1: The first lights. You know, this is after my boat

1368
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,799
Speaker 1: broke down again, and and he he gave a glowing

1369
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: review and said, these things are gonna like change the

1370
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: waterfowl market. Really yeah, well in private. What we're missing

1371
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: here right now is is the pitch the pockets. Are

1372
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: they zippered? These aren't ship proof waiters? Do they have

1373
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 1: do they not have boots attached to him? What are they? Yeah,

1374
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: you can tell us anything. I think we just leave it,

1375
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: leave it with. We had I think eleven guys on

1376
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 1: that testing trip in Arkansas. I mean we were really

1377
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,560
Speaker 1: we were getting reps on these and I mean was

1378
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 1: there I wore them all year off camera or had

1379
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 1: camera guys wearing them all year off camera. But but

1380
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: we circled up at that camp or after that camp

1381
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 1: in Arkansas, and I I'm pretty sure all eleven guys

1382
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: said it was the best waiter that ever wore. And

1383
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: I did have critiques, to be fair, It's not like

1384
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: they came out of It's not like I was like, yeah, job, everybody,

1385
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 1: these are perfect waiters. But we we made some changes

1386
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: over the summer. Yeah, out all right where they need

1387
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:04,560
Speaker 1: to be. I think, yeah, here's my waiter ship in

1388
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 1: the store with that. So we used to fish the St.

1389
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 1: Mary's River, which separates uh Um, Michigan's Upper peninsula. I'm

1390
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:22,679
Speaker 1: positive allegedly it's not the northern Lower Peninsula. So when

1391
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: if you imagine Lake Superior, Lake Superior sits what it

1392
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: is twenty three feet higher than uh Lake spireces three

1393
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 1: ft higher than here On. So there's the Sioux Falls,

1394
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 1: and there's a lot the Sioux Locks goes around the

1395
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 1: Sioux Falls, so the iron ore boats and stuff can

1396
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: come and go. But anyways, where it's spills, it's it's

1397
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: some feet higher, goes through the Sioux Falls. There's this

1398
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: river called the sat Mareious River, which is basically not

1399
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: basically it is. It's Lake Superior draining into Lake here

1400
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 1: On Um. And this river's wide, wide wide. You and

1401
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 1: me ran it in a boat together, yep. Pre nine

1402
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: eleven Um. You could just buy a book of bridge

1403
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: passes two bucks apiece and you would go over and

1404
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 1: the people, the coustoms, people just get to know you.

1405
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we'd fish sometimes when I was going to

1406
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 1: school at Lake State, we would sometimes fish three four

1407
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 1: days a week. On the Canada side, you can keep

1408
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: more fish um, So we'd go over there. I'm sorry.

1409
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 1: You catch board fish fishing the canvas side because you

1410
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: could access the rapids. So the u s side he

1411
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:37,560
Speaker 1: had like a bunch of the locks you could go

1412
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 1: over and fish, sort of like a more natural riverscape

1413
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 1: come from the Canada sides. We'd cross all the time.

1414
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: And in the when the pink salmon ran in the fall,

1415
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: the water be pretty low, and if you were a

1416
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:53,560
Speaker 1: bold waiter, so we would uh get cleats, you know

1417
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 1: quarters if you had like felt boots and then put

1418
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:01,799
Speaker 1: some quarkers on them. We had me and my buddies,

1419
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: we had like routes that you could get way out

1420
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 1: into the river, and it'd be you'd cross here, and

1421
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: then you go up a hundred yards and go out,

1422
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: and then you go down two hundred yards and go

1423
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 1: out a little more, and then go got a cock

1424
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 1: eyed angle and and you'd wind up like way out

1425
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: there fish and fish that people didn't fish at. And

1426
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 1: one time we get way out there, and I don't

1427
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 1: want to say who it was, My buddy all of

1428
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 1: a sudden has the need he's got the gurgling number two.

1429
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 1: This is after a long night at the bar, and

1430
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: he's kind of in the situation of needing a way

1431
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: what to do, because now he's got an hour invested

1432
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: into getting out Like that serious of a walk to

1433
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 1: get out there, there was not. There was no joke.

1434
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: In fact, people would people that didn't get it with

1435
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 1: kind of like marvel at how one could get out there.

1436
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: But well, you know, you figure out how to get

1437
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 1: out there. It was just a dicey walk. So he

1438
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: had to shout his waiters, there's nothing else you can do,

1439
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: and just kept fishing through it. He fished through the

1440
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 1: whole thing. That takes strong man, that takes this waiter

1441
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 1: farts thing, you know, and you take your way that

1442
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 1: a new level fish through the whole thing, gets back

1443
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 1: to our house and drives back with us this belt

1444
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 1: on there it gets back, goes up and into the shower. Yeah,

1445
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,839
Speaker 1: smart guy takes his waiters off. Did he keep those waiters.

1446
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure he did, because that's that's nothing that What

1447
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 1: got me thinking about that. What got me think about

1448
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:43,600
Speaker 1: that is back when none of you, like you know,

1449
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: growing up, not having any kind of money, you'd be

1450
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 1: like you look at your waiters like how you look

1451
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: at your car. Some hap your waiters you'd be like

1452
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 1: how how will I ever recover? You know what I mean?

1453
01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 1: Like like life would end if you broke your ain rod?

1454
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:06,640
Speaker 1: Mm Like well, like when your waiters went, dude, you

1455
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: were done, You're gonna go buy another pair? No, which

1456
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:14,560
Speaker 1: is a testament to why, Like I do think that

1457
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of waiters out there right now that

1458
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: are pretty pricey and the quality has just gone to crap.

1459
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a there is a brand of waiters

1460
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:31,600
Speaker 1: where in the last two years, I quite literally the

1461
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: first week of using them just to seem pops and

1462
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 1: start leaking, like has nothing to do with a puncture

1463
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 1: or anything like that. And you know that's always the

1464
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: that's the most common thing that fails on a waiter anyway, Right,

1465
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 1: it's the seems they just bad seems bad work, bad

1466
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 1: tape job, and you get that leaking in the crotch. Right,

1467
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: We've all had it where you all of a sudden

1468
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 1: there's a day where now you're just pants are wet

1469
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 1: right in the crotch for no reason, had nothing to

1470
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: do with you chatting in your waiters and had everything

1471
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 1: had everything to do with just crappy waiters. And we

1472
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 1: went into this conversation early as a team looking at

1473
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:10,680
Speaker 1: trying to solve the major problems that Sean's just describing, right,

1474
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 1: So the first thing out of mind is, let's make

1475
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 1: these the most durable thing that has ever been introduced

1476
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:18,680
Speaker 1: to the to the waterfowl world. And that's kind of

1477
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: what that was our I would say, like our lunch

1478
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 1: are going forward, like how can we break these in

1479
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 1: showcase that you know, this iteration didn't work, Let's move

1480
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 1: on to the next thing, and pretty pretty proud of them.

1481
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 1: And the other thing about them for all the guys

1482
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: down in Clay's Country that wear waiters every hunt is

1483
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 1: they'll come into timber camera, which is a fancy new detail,

1484
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 1: a new timber camera that we can't talk about that.

1485
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: We'll leave it at that. It's can we say we

1486
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: could say it's sweet? It's sweet? Yeah? How long you

1487
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 1: were you spent developing until you like got it to

1488
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: where you want? Because this is like a long time coming,

1489
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 1: right Oh yeah yeah, two and a half years. Um,

1490
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 1: I forget I mean type I feel like it was

1491
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 1: like eleven point six or something iteration type of being

1492
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:15,679
Speaker 1: our current waterfowl camera that we dropped this summer. Yeah,

1493
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:19,639
Speaker 1: I've been screwing around with the waiters myself for well

1494
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 1: over a year, Yeah, just me, and it's yeah, it's

1495
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 1: been longer than that. And I think what's interesting to

1496
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 1: realize too is like waiters don't just like come as waiters, right,

1497
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 1: there's like material selection and all these things where we

1498
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 1: spend time touching, feeling, trying to break UM and Logan Williamson,

1499
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 1: our our waterfowl product manager, has been in it for

1500
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, two plus years, you know. Oh, and it's

1501
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 1: worth saying we've got a pretty sweet partner lined out

1502
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: that's those things together. Yeah, you want to mention that one,

1503
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: you do that they're Kevin. Yeah. So we've been working

1504
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 1: with a company called The Cross, which I'm sure you're

1505
01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 1: familiar with, little little company over in western Oregon. UM

1506
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 1: who is uh as a company obviously not uh new

1507
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 1: to the game of of rubber boot development and things

1508
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:13,560
Speaker 1: like that. So UM, without saying too much, the construction

1509
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 1: and sort of the development of this UM specific boot

1510
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 1: for these waiters is uh far and away the best

1511
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 1: thing I've put my footage. It's not even like it's

1512
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 1: not even in the same realm. It's like we're talking

1513
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 1: like new materials, new construction, a different way of looking

1514
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:32,600
Speaker 1: at a different way of looking at breatheability, like the

1515
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 1: whole bit, just the ability to like going to room

1516
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 1: and say, like what is impossible and how can we

1517
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: make it? For days on end last year like buy

1518
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 1: design on purpose, stood in the water, you know, thirty

1519
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 1: five degree water for seven eight hours straight with no

1520
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 1: way to get your foot elevated and out of cold

1521
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: icy water like skimmed over water. And you know, because

1522
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,640
Speaker 1: of my own poor layering decisions, end up with a

1523
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 1: cold core, cold thighs, but warm feet which just doesn't

1524
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 1: shockingly warm feet like that was a big takeaway from that.

1525
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 1: That's that's one of the whole thing. But the waiter

1526
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: is that boot, that's great. One's drop date. We can't

1527
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: be that. It'll be available in about a year at

1528
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 1: some point. But what you can do right now watch

1529
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 1: this transition. But what you can do right now is

1530
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 1: come down to Haley, Idaho and come to the new

1531
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 1: First Light store. Check it out one and only on

1532
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:33,599
Speaker 1: the planet. It's really cool in here. I tell them

1533
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 1: that they need a duck that Sean killed hanging in here.

1534
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:41,839
Speaker 1: You know, I've never I've never got a duck mounted

1535
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 1: taxi so stuffed stuff, so you should get the first

1536
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 1: one put in here. Uh, we're in wrap it up.

1537
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna do trivia. How do you guys feel about it? Trivia?

1538
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,439
Speaker 1: Or have you ever listened to the one of the

1539
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:58,639
Speaker 1: shows I've been practicing up? Do you feel like you're

1540
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 1: gonna win or lose? Definitely not gonna win, but I'll

1541
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 1: hang in there. Have you been practice just cheating? Encyclopedia

1542
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 1: ty Edson after he came on and played with us,

1543
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 1: and he's a strong player. His the guys that weren't

1544
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: call him the blue collar scholar. I was shocked at

1545
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 1: the Turnpike thing, like y'all didn't know what Turnpike truebors were.

1546
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 1: There's like two of you that shocked me on the

1547
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: I think that was Yeah Ray while Hubbard Yeah you know,

1548
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Waylon Jannings absolutely were trying to make this

1549
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 1: generational right now. No, I'm just saying I just like Turnpike.

1550
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 1: It was said by the first light crew that they

1551
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:39,560
Speaker 1: would think Ford is good. So now for you know,

1552
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 1: when I when I don't know something and someone points

1553
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 1: out that I don't know what, they kind of want

1554
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 1: to tease me about it. I always reminded there's probably

1555
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 1: a lot of things I know that they don't know

1556
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:52,920
Speaker 1: that is so mature. Got him, got him back? Do

1557
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,599
Speaker 1: you even really know? I don't want to name him all,

1558
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: but there's probably a lot of Hold on, Steve, do

1559
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 1: you actually come back, actually tell me your favorite topics.

1560
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: I'll come up with the set here. Do you actually

1561
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 1: know it? Or is it just your perception of a

1562
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 1: dust particle? Yeah? Like the sun coming through bright and

1563
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 1: clear to me? Can I just interceed quickly? My gut

1564
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 1: reaction throughout your whole description of that philosophy about not

1565
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 1: understanding anything about life just makes me think of their

1566
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 1: nihilist Donnie. Oh yeah, it is. That's what I was

1567
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 1: thinking almost the first five minutes the other day. I

1568
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 1: was this is the honestly got the last time I

1569
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 1: say the hard day is Seth and Chester, who are

1570
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 1: frequently on the show, both happen to have Hawaiian shirts on,

1571
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 1: and I informed them, where were you in Hawaii? Or yeah, yeah, okay,

1572
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 1: well you know we wanted to get them. We wanted

1573
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 1: to get them hats and said howilly, So they had

1574
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 1: their Hawaiian shirts on, and I was trying to explain

1575
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 1: to them about the what the Boogaloo movement. Oh yeah,

1576
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 1: it's like a nihilistic it's like a it's like a

1577
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:14,720
Speaker 1: remember nihilist, it's like a nihilistic uh militia group. What's yeah,

1578
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 1: what are they called again? Boo yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1579
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 1: The world's good. They wear Hawaiian shirts, and I I

1580
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 1: would think when I saw these guys, I was like,

1581
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 1: I think you guys are like here from the Boogleoo movement.

1582
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 1: I have no idea what I was talking about. I

1583
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 1: think that got the old chest. You're feeling a little

1584
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:32,320
Speaker 1: self conscious because later on in the day, do you

1585
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:34,600
Speaker 1: remember this he came up to Steve and I and

1586
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:38,920
Speaker 1: he said, you know, um, some local guys uh kind

1587
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: of gave me the stink guy. And I think it's

1588
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 1: because of my Hawaiian shirt. Like that dude in Hawaiian,

1589
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 1: you must be like gestures like legitimately one of the

1590
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 1: nicest people on the planet. Time Like, alright, So check

1591
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 1: out the First Light store come through hay the Idaho

1592
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 1: if you're if you're passing through, check it out. UM

1593
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: stay tuned for these super waiters coming soon. Full line

1594
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 1: of waterfowl apparel, um anything else that's good how big

1595
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:16,640
Speaker 1: lighters with the first Light logo on there. If you're

1596
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 1: a smoker, or to someone who likes to start campfires,

1597
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:22,759
Speaker 1: come by and get a genuine about an outdoors oriented

1598
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 1: person always likes to be prepared. You know what those

1599
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 1: are called, right? You gotta got a lighter in one pocket,

1600
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:30,479
Speaker 1: and I still call him cigarette lighters. I can't think

1601
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:32,040
Speaker 1: of what else to call them. Well, these are called

1602
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:38,240
Speaker 1: first lighters. I can't. I can't take credit for that.

1603
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:41,560
Speaker 1: That already happens. Well, I bet I've come up with

1604
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:47,679
Speaker 1: a lot of good things, all right. Thanks a lot

1605
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:07,400
Speaker 1: to fet