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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're taking

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Speaker 1: you beyond the news desk. It's Wednesday, September tenth, and

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Speaker 1: on today's show, we'll be skipping the need to know

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Speaker 1: and getting right into my raw and uplifting interview with

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Speaker 1: broadcast icon and breast cancer survivor Robin Roberts. It's the

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Speaker 1: latest installment of our series Life Beyond Living Beyond Labels,

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Speaker 1: a powerful podcast campaign brought to you by iHeart Women's Sports. Y'all,

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Speaker 1: I was so honored to get to talk with Robin Roberts.

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Speaker 1: She joined me for an intimate conversation about the strength

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Speaker 1: it takes to show up, especially when the cameras are off.

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Speaker 1: She reflected on her groundbreaking career in sports journalism and

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Speaker 1: morning television, the decision to go public with her diagnosis,

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Speaker 1: and how surviving cancer and MDS miladis plastic syndrome. Reshaped

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Speaker 1: her sense of purpose. We explored what it means to

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Speaker 1: lead with grace, advocate for others, and live a life

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Speaker 1: of visibility, both behind the news desk and far beyond it.

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Speaker 1: Our Life Beyond series showcases the extraordinary resilience and strength

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Speaker 1: of successful women, diving deep into their lives, highlighting their

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Speaker 1: personal journeys, passions, and the ways in which they're living

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Speaker 1: beyond the labels they've been given by others. My conversation

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Speaker 1: with Robin is coming up right after this, joining us

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Speaker 1: now a true legend whose bio is longer than Sue

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Speaker 1: Bird's list of titles, but I'll try to sum it up.

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Speaker 1: She co anchors ABC's Good Morning America. As a New

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Speaker 1: York Times bestselling author, was a groundbreaking analyst on ESPN

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Speaker 1: for fifteen years, including being the first African American woman

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Speaker 1: Basketball Hall of Fame. A Southeastern Louisiana University alum, she

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Speaker 1: ended her hoop's career there as the school's third all

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Speaker 1: time leading scorer and rebounder, and they retired her jersey

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Speaker 1: number twenty one. A breast cancer and Mayello dysplastic syndrome survivor.

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Speaker 1: She was awarded the Arthur Ashcourage Award at the twenty

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Speaker 1: Named to the Out one hundred and twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: She's driven the pace car at the Indy five hundred cameo,

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Speaker 1: hosted Jeopardy. She's an honorary Harlem globetrotter, was once a

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Speaker 1: school bus driver, and she'll receive a star in the

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Speaker 1: Hollywood Walk of Fame next year. It's the one and

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Speaker 1: only Robin Roberts. Hi, Robin.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we're out a time. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate everybody joining us and having you know,

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Speaker 2: drive safely everyone. Thank you, Sarah yep.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, like Suebirds titles, we could never list

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Speaker 1: them all. So great to see you, and it was

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Speaker 1: so great to see you at the WNBA All Star Game.

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Speaker 1: I love that you're able to stay connected to your

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Speaker 1: sports roots via GMA, and I'm wondering how you've experienced

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Speaker 1: the growth of women's sports from the GMA seat, whether

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Speaker 1: it's easier to pitch producers to get female athletes or

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Speaker 2: Well, it was great to see you too, Sarah. And

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Speaker 2: I have to say, I'm very, very fortunate that I

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Speaker 2: because our executive producer was there, Simone Swink, she was there,

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Speaker 2: My chief of staff was there, Ebony Griffin. They love

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Speaker 2: I mean they enjoy seeing me in different lanes if

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Speaker 2: like a twinkle in my eye. And I remember, Sarah,

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Speaker 2: I was hesitant about leaving sports, had been in ESPN

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Speaker 2: Good Morning America, and I was interviewing Billy Jean King

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Speaker 2: it's a bigger pla. You're going to take us with

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Speaker 2: It really is. But I also remember when the doctor

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Speaker 2: more like, I can't be out of work for six months.

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Speaker 2: You got to be kidney by. And I look back,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Wow, Robin, that's really how I really. That

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Speaker 2: share that lesson with others. If you don't do that,

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Speaker 1: the somethings that you've had. You were diagnosed with triple

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if you were like, all right,

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Speaker 2: I had just been named this third anchor with Charlie

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Speaker 2: And I just I couldn't control my emotions. I just

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Speaker 1: does the work. And then there's folks like me, my

431
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Speaker 1: friend Jamel Hill, We're going to get out there and

432
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: tell you this is wrong. Quit doing this to us,

433
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: give us this chance. Here's the things I've gone through.

434
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: Here's why other women can be strong even in those moments.

435
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: It's not just you, It's happened to all of us.

436
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: And I think both are necessary. Right to be a

437
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: model for what you can be in achievement, also to

438
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: speak up. You were the first black women to host

439
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: Sports Center. You were one of the first women on ESPN.

440
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: You have had these roles that maybe you were the

441
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: first or one of the first. How often did you

442
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: feel compelled to name that versus just do the work

443
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: and be great at it and have that be enough.

444
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: It's funny because I was just talking with Salt and

445
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: Peppa and they're going into the rock and roll hall

446
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: I love my life. Oh yes, yeah, pretty good. Yes, yes, Sarah.

447
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: Before sitting down with you, I was talking to Sultan

448
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 2: Pepa when I was and they were pioneers, I mean,

449
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: especially in the eighties hip hop, these two women who

450
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: were doing it their way. And I asked them, I said,

451
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 2: you know, so many like the Missy Elliotts and many

452
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: who came after you said how much you were a trailblazer?

453
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 2: I said, when you were in the thick of it,

454
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: did you ever did you ever feel that way? And

455
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: they're like, no, you're just doing the work. I kind

456
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: of feel the same way. I don't really, Yeah, I

457
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: did that. I recognized I was the only one that

458
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: looked like myself in the building. Oh yeah, and the

459
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 2: proverbial you're going to be the first, but don't be

460
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: the last, you know. I remember hearing that speech from

461
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: my mom, you know, and she told all my siblings,

462
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: my two other sisters that too, who are very progressive

463
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: in their in their fields. But I never took it

464
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: on as a burden. I never thought of it as

465
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Speaker 2: a responsibility. I just wanted to do the job. And

466
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: but I did know that the margin of error for

467
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 2: me was less than my male counterpart, that they could

468
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: make a mistake and it would be overlooked and for

469
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: me it could be out the door. And again I didn't.

470
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: It wasn't like what was me? Whate was me? It's like, okay,

471
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: you know what I'm going to be. I'm going to

472
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: make sure I'm the best that I can possibly be.

473
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Speaker 2: So it helped in that regard. Now, I love it

474
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Speaker 2: when there's so many women who have come up to

475
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: me and have said, you know, they they watched me

476
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: and inspired them to do you know, X, Y and

477
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: Z great wonderful bat I do. I'm not I'm not

478
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: remember when Shaq was it Shaq? Who didn't know? Was

479
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: it Charles Barkley? I ain't no role model or whatever.

480
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 2: I'm proud to be a role model. I'm glad that

481
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: I could be a role model. I'm glad that I

482
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: could be able and as I had women and you

483
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: know people before me that really helped. But I never

484
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: really thought of it. When you're in the throes of it,

485
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: you're just trying to get to the next step. Yeah,

486
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Speaker 2: do the work.

487
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: I want you to know that my husband and I

488
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: performed Saltan Pepa's Shoop at our wedding so I could

489
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: do the whole song, both parts and.

490
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: Spindly strong too, because you know, they're suing the record

491
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: company because they want the rights back to shoot and

492
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 2: different songs, and so they're they're there. I love how

493
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 2: they're how they're even now twenty years no forty years

494
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: later since they broke onto the scene, that they're still

495
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: fighting and being strong women.

496
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: We got to take a quick break when we come

497
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: back the rest of my conversation with Robin Roberts, so

498
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: let's talk about being strong. You mentioned your MDS. In

499
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, you faced a second major health challenge. You've

500
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: gone through the breast cancer and now you're diagnosed with

501
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: my LT dysplastic syndrome, which is a rare blood disorder.

502
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: It affects the bone marrow and it impairs its ability

503
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: to produce healthy blood cells. How did you talk yourself

504
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: through this diagnosis? Because I'm wondering if there's any part

505
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: of you that questioned, is there some higher power handing

506
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: me these challenges? Did you try to find a reason

507
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: behind being continued to be forced to handle adversity?

508
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: Oh? Wow, another good question, Sarah. With breast cancer, it

509
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: was pretty cut and dry with me, like I knew

510
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: what my message was early detection. I had had a roadmap,

511
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: had seen other people who had gone through breast cancer successfully,

512
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: and just wanted to continue that message of early detection

513
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 2: because that's what helped in my regard though it was

514
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: an aggressive form triple negative. When I was diagnosed with MDS,

515
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: my littlest plastic syndrome, I did look up to the heavens.

516
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: I was like, well, first of all, what what is

517
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: this and what am I supposed to do with it?

518
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 2: I had never heard of it. I didn't even know

519
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: what a bow marrow transplant was. And then that became

520
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: my message. And so for people now to know what

521
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: it is more so than they did when I was

522
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: diagnosed in twenty twelve, and to get people on the

523
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: bow marrow registry as I have and my sister has.

524
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: That let me know that, Oh, this is why it

525
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: was placed my path, that I was supposed to be

526
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: able to educate people. But I do have to say,

527
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: I know you're not given more than you can handle.

528
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: But I was like, dear Lord, you can spread it

529
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 2: around a little. I'm good, I know I'm strong. Okay,

530
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: I'll be fine if you want to spread it around

531
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: a little bit. But I was never like, you know,

532
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: why me, why me? None of that? But I did

533
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: I did. I have to say the second time I

534
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: was diagnosed, I did go to my doctor and so

535
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: I just so incredibly blessed to have such great health care.

536
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't want to do this.

537
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: I was like, I, you know, after what I went

538
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: through with I'm like, I don't want to do this.

539
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: And he said to me, I'll give you your life back.

540
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: Because I thought it was going to be one of

541
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: those things that I would go through this and I

542
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: wouldn't be I'd be a shell of who I am

543
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: and just a thought of it was just too painful.

544
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: And he assured me that I will give you your

545
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: life back. And when he made that promise to me,

546
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 2: I wanted to do the same for others and like

547
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: I said, this athlete, this world class athlete who just

548
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: I just this weekend had a phone conversation with this person,

549
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: and the way I was able to talk to this

550
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: person because of sharing my journey and because of what

551
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: was given to me. I'm forever grateful that I've been.

552
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: It is a privilege to be a messenger, and that's

553
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: what I feel like I'm here for. I'm to be

554
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: a messenger, and my message is of hope and to

555
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: be a walking, breathing, living symbol of this too shall pass.

556
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: After sharing your diagnosis of MDS, your story resulted in

557
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: an eighteen hundred percent one eight zero zero percent increase

558
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: in bone marrow donor registrations on the day of your

559
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: announcement alone. Unbelievable. I mean that, to your point, it's

560
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: a gift to be a messenger. And yes, of course

561
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: you're allowed to grieve a diagnosis like that and be

562
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: sad and feel like you're being handed too much, But

563
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: the way you handled it to turn it back around

564
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: and help others is really all you can ask for

565
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: in that moment, because it also gives you a sense

566
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: of power right that you're not beholden solely to this thing.

567
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: You are also in control of what you do with it.

568
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: You know what, It's so true. It's the same way

569
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: why I shaved my head because my hair was falling out.

570
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: I was like, ah, no, no, no, I'll shave it Chemo, No, no, no.

571
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: You can't quit me hair.

572
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: I fire you. So but it's right because when you're

573
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: going through I don't care what it is you're going through,

574
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: be it a health crisis or whatnot. Whenever you feel

575
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: out of control, whenever you feel that things are just

576
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: you don't have a control over those things. You can

577
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: control those things that can empower that you feel gives

578
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: you power you crave. And so that was my way

579
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: of going a hat. MDS take that. You know, I'm

580
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: gonna help my sister and I and others are going

581
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: to get more people on the registrate. And over the years,

582
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: we've had so many success stories on Good Morning America.

583
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: We've brought so many donors together with the recipients and

584
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: it's been one even my nephew, my nephew Jeremiah, who

585
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: I didn't realize when I was diagnosed, and he said

586
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: his mother Valin told him to join the registream. He

587
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: didn't really he was Balin told him, you're going to

588
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: do this, and he was a young he was like sixteen,

589
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: he was in high school. He gets the call. I

590
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 2: didn't know this. He got a call shortly thereafter, and

591
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: he was scared and he he said, no, I can't

592
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: do this. I can't do this. My mother put me

593
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: on the registry and I didn't. I can't do it.

594
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: And he lived with this for so long, and then

595
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: a couple of years we did this. This past year,

596
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: he got a call again and he didn't hesitate to

597
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: be a donor this time. And I didn't know about

598
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: his the first time around, and I said when he

599
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: was a was going to be a donor. I was like, oh,

600
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: you know, being a journalist, this is being great. Can

601
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: we can we document your you know, journeys to show

602
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: people what it's like to be a donor And he said,

603
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: I'll only do it if you let me tell my

604
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: full truth. I'm like, what is your full truth? And

605
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: he said that I didn't do it the first time,

606
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: but I was scared, and he insisted let that be

607
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: part of it because it's such a normal reaction for people.

608
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: And so I'm just really grateful again to be able

609
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: to just get the information out to folks and to

610
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: these stigmatize some things. And and my nephew did that

611
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: by saying I was scared. I was scared the first time,

612
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: but I thought through it this time, and you can

613
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: do it too. Yeah.

614
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: Courage is contagious like that, and especially if he frees

615
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: other people to be afraid first, and to have that

616
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: fear and to acknowledge that it's human to be afraid

617
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: and then.

618
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: Choose courage is contagious. I like that.

619
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Speaker 1: It should be a book title, next book for Robin

620
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: and you can go there.

621
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: We free.

622
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. You mentioned your sister Sally earlier. You got a

623
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: bone marrow transplant from her. What sort of feelings came

624
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: with that gift from her and that ask of her?

625
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it goes both ways. She's eight years older

626
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 2: than I am, and we fought a little bit like

627
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: cats and dogs when we're younger. You know younger siblings

628
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: as you do. I thought that my sister, who's closer

629
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: in age, Dorothy, was going to be a match. I

630
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: knew my brother, who's twelve years older because of his age,

631
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 2: was going to be disqualified, but I thought Dorothy would

632
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: be the donor. And when it came back to be

633
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: Sally Anne. I was like, oh wow, okay, and I

634
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: remember calling her and saying that everything has come through

635
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: and you're a match. Do you want to do this

636
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: because you have to ask, can't just assume, And when

637
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: she responded, it's not only something I want to do,

638
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: it's something I really feel like I was born to do.

639
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: I felt that I was the reason I was born

640
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 2: was to save my baby, my baby sister's life. So

641
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: excuse me. So when you have a sibling who says

642
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: that and feels that way, uh wow. It's still to

643
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: this day when I think about it, as you can

644
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: hear my voice, it gets to me and it's a

645
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: it's it's a gift that I could never and not

646
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: that she would ever want me to repay, but you

647
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: got to repay somebody for saving your life. And that

648
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 2: they had that attitude of oh right, you not like okay, well,

649
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: you know, being forced into it, but just really feeling

650
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: that that that was the purpose why they were put

651
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: on the surf. It's pretty powerful.

652
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: It is, yeah, you have you're making me cry now,

653
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: I have a I have a I'm like, you know,

654
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: people yawn when they see someone else yon, I pretty

655
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: much cry. If anybody cries anywhere near me, it's problem.

656
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: You know, after those diagnoses, it's it's hard probably to

657
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: feel like it's behind me now. So are you able

658
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: to live without fear of what's next of a recurrence

659
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: of one of those? And how did you have to

660
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: do the work to find that piece? If you found it,

661
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: you don't.

662
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: Go through And this is what I tell folks who

663
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: who reach out and are on the other side, and

664
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 2: they're like, I'm fearful it's going to come back. How

665
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: did you get past it? And I tell them, I'm like,

666
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: why did we go through all that? We went through,

667
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: the hell that we went through to be scared. I'm

668
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: not going to give it that power. I'm not going

669
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: to give it that attention. I'm mad. I'm mad at

670
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: the MDS. I'm not going to I'm not going to

671
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: respect it by constantly thinking about it. And once I

672
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: say it like that, they're like, oh yeah, all right, yeah,

673
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: And that's how I look at it. I'm like, you know,

674
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: if you no, I'm not did it happen? And I'm

675
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: glad you asked that question because also people don't realize

676
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: and we're talking about a little bit more. Now. There

677
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: is a there's a depression you go through right after

678
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: you've gotten to the other side of fighting. And I

679
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: hear this over and over again. Everyone thinks you're so late,

680
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: like yay, I beat it. Oooh yeah, but there is

681
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: this there is this period of time that is it

682
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: going to come back. Oh, no one's checking on me anymore,

683
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: because you know, before the first year something, you're always

684
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: going back to the doctor. You have these regular checkups

685
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: and then they're like bye, bye, well have a nice life,

686
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: and you're like, well, well, you know you're not. You're

687
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: not looking at me every well, I'm supposed to this

688
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 2: on my own. So there's that fear that comes in.

689
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: And I've heard from many people and I experienced a

690
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: sense of depression for a period of time. So I

691
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: don't want to give the impression like, oh, you're going

692
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 2: to feel like, oh, you kicked its ass and you're

693
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: going to be fine, and and you're not. You're never

694
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: going to worry about it. It's it's a transition time,

695
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: and it's it's understandable that you would feel that way.

696
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: But I I I tell people, and I remember when

697
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: it was told to me, you're going to wake up

698
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: one day and you're not going to think about cancer.

699
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 2: And I thought, that's crazy. I'm going to think about

700
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: it every day I wake up for the rest of

701
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: my life. And I remember some period of time had

702
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: gone by and I was like, oh my gosh.

703
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: I thought I didn't think about it.

704
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that's what I tell folks too. I said,

705
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: you are going to get to a point that you

706
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: won't even think about it anymore. You don't believe it

707
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: in the beginning, but you get there. Yeah.

708
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: And I think there's the depression, like you said, of

709
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: the attention and the love and the support and the

710
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: filling up in the moments when it's hardest and losing that.

711
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: But also there's sometimes survivor's guilt of knowing that not

712
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: everybody has the outcomes that you do, and knowing the

713
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: resources that you have and everything else. And sometimes people

714
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: sort of subconsciously without even realizing it, are just mourning

715
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: the idea that for others it doesn't go the same way,

716
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: and that you don't really have control over that. Always.

717
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: Oh well, I got to bring that up. Oh no,

718
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: But I'm glad you did, because it's it's true. It's

719
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: true it's like, oh, when when somebody comes up to

720
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: me and they said oh, they say to me like,

721
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: oh my my my husband or my child, whatever, you know,

722
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: they'll the name the person you gave them strength to

723
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: get through whatever whatever they were diagnosed. And I'll go, well,

724
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: how how so okay, how are they? They oh, they

725
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: didn't make it, and I go I just feel you know,

726
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: and they're not, and they just look at me. They

727
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: say no, no, no, no, but thank you you you

728
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: really you really helped. And I try to help them

729
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: by saying, you know what, your loved one unfortunately didn't

730
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: make it, but their fight was no less valiant than mine.

731
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 2: And I truly believe that. And so that has helped

732
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: me because you do go through this like wow, when

733
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 2: people come up and they say that their loved one

734
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: who was diagnosed at the same time or whatnot, that

735
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 2: they're but that they were always so uplifting. There's never

736
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: there's They never look at me like why did you

737
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: make it? In mind not, I'm the one who feels

738
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: that way, but they don't. It's it's it's an amazing

739
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: gift that they that they give me by sharing that.

740
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,959
Speaker 2: But that's what I always tell them like their loved ones.

741
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: Fight was every bit as value, every bit is value.

742
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: Our former colleague Stuart Scott and his famous s B

743
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: speech said, when you die, it doesn't mean you lose

744
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: to cancer, and that we need to stop reframing it

745
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: as a battle like they lost their fight with cancer.

746
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: You didn't. You didn't lose it. You fought it valiantly

747
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: and and you won in the time that you had.

748
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I made sure like because oftentimes we'll have

749
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: a script written for us and somebody else and it'll

750
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: be written, lost their battle to colon cancer, lost their

751
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: battle to whatever. I said. I never ever, you know,

752
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: never never, I've never never phrased it and refused to

753
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: phrase it like that. And someone losing their battle to

754
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: any type of cancer not true.

755
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: I quote you all the time you said it earlier.

756
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: Make your message. Whenever I heard that, I was like,

757
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it. It's so simple, and it's such

758
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: a mature and wise way to handle a struggle, but

759
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: it can be hard, especially in the early moments of

760
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: fear or illness or anger about something. So what's your

761
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: advice for folks who might be going through something right

762
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: now who haven't gotten to the point where they can

763
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: find their way out of it just being a mess.

764
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: I have this little placard in my dressing room, this

765
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: too shall pass dot dot dot now would be good. Okay.

766
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: So the reason I bring that up is that it's

767
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: going to happen for you. It's going to happen you'll

768
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: you'll get to that place. My mom would say to

769
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: me when I was in a down place, like I

770
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: was just not, you know, feeling whatever. And I would

771
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: call her and say, you know, Mom, I'm having a

772
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: really really bad day. Things aren't working out. And she

773
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: would say, why are you still staying up? Go to bed?

774
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: You're having a bad day. Why why you go to

775
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: bed and try again tomorrow? Is something about the light

776
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: of a new day. So for someone to answer the

777
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: question that you just asked, I would say to them.

778
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say go to bed, as my mother said

779
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: and her as only a mother can say to a daughter.

780
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: But I do say to them, delays are not denials.

781
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: I truly believe, and this is my spiritual being, believing

782
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: that there's a purpose and a season for everything, and

783
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: to trust that. And I think so many times we

784
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: put a timetable on how we're supposed to feel, or

785
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: when something's supposed to happen, or now is when I'm

786
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 2: supposed to make my mess my message? Or why am

787
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: I not feeling? Why am I not getting it? Before?

788
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: I was a little bit late in talking with you

789
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: today because I was meditating and I was an a

790
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: deep meditation, meditative state. And my wonderful assistant, Chantrey, whose

791
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: father was really Randolph by the way, she's said, you

792
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: know the great baseball player, that's his daughter. She's wonderful

793
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: and she gently knocks on the door. It's like, you know,

794
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 2: it's got to say with Spain, you're supposed to do this.

795
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: My point being quiet time. I need my quiet time.

796
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 2: I need my meditation. And that's something that I think

797
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: that more people need to do because you'll hear that

798
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: inner voice and we often do listen to it and

799
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: just just just have a little more trust in yourself

800
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: and just know that there is a time frame and

801
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: as my mother said, there's a season for everything.

802
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had to go through your your wife being sick.

803
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: How different did it feel to have to care for

804
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: someone else and to watch someone else struggle, especially having

805
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: gone through it yourself and been on the other side.

806
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 2: I hated it. I'm much rather I'm a better patient

807
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: than I am a caregiver. And Amber will be the

808
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: first one to say she's a better caregiver and she's

809
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: a patient she could be because I felt so I

810
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: had a better understanding of what it's like to be

811
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: on the other side of the feeling so helpless. But

812
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: she really taught me the way. She was an incredible

813
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: caregiver and so but as a patient, I was better

814
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 2: in that it came from my athletic background. I'm like, Okay,

815
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: my doctor, that's my coach, and the nurses they're the

816
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: assistant coaches and technicians there and and really approach it

817
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: that way. Amber, Sweet Amber, And there's the reason why

818
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: I call her sweet Ambers. She rejected every type of chemo.

819
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: She went into anaphylactic shock, I mean, all these things

820
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 2: and I'm freaking out, and she just went into survivorship.

821
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: I can share that she's now on the side of

822
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: survivorship and so it's been great and as her medication

823
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: is now limited. But anyway, I cried more, Sarah. I

824
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: cried more when Amber was going through and it was diagnosed

825
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 2: that I cried for myself and it just it really

826
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: gave me a better understanding of what it's like to

827
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: be that person caring for another going through an ailment

828
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: like that. And I'm glad that she kind of gave

829
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: me a roadmap on how to be a caregiver, and

830
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: I did my best to give her a roadmap on

831
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: how to be a patient.

832
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: You've been together for more than two decades, but married

833
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: for just two years. You've got a big anniversary and

834
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: you're going to Rwanda. How do you decide that that's

835
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: the big trip? I'm going to Africa in September. I'm

836
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: so excited. But how did you?

837
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: Where are you?

838
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: Goda? I'm going to Cape Town in Botswana.

839
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: Oh have you been before? Yeah?

840
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: But just Tanzania.

841
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 2: We will be celebrating our twenty anniversary of our first

842
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: state in Africa. Amber loves to travel, she loves She's

843
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: been wanting to go to Africa for the long time.

844
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: And we were there briefly, and it's when I was

845
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: I was there, I brought a there Amazon assignment, going

846
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: to do something, and then there was a naturally, there

847
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 2: was some something that I had to leave her there

848
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: with the crew because something happened on halfway around the

849
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: world and she's like, you're leaving me here in South

850
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: Africa by myself. I'm like, sorry, dear. That was early

851
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: on in our relationship and she was much signed on

852
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: for but twenty years later she's still here. But it

853
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: was Giants of Africa. Giants of Africa. In fact, I

854
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: have their basketball.

855
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 1: Behind you on the desk.

856
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jerry, yes, yeah, A great guy. And so what

857
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: it is. It's a festival. So we're going for the festival.

858
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: And I was just this is typical me. I was

859
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: just going to go and then and then come back.

860
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: And was like, first of all, I'm going with you, okay.

861
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: Second of all because it's our anniversary. And second of

862
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: all said we're gonna go see the gorillas and I

863
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: so we're gonna go trekking for the gorillas. And I

864
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: wasn't going to do that. I was just I gotta

865
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: go do. I'm gonna go do the festival and I'll

866
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: come back because I have to wait back at work.

867
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: And she's like, no, you're not. I love that. But

868
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: see this is what I this is what I really

869
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: appreciate about her. She is just she's in northern California,

870
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: she's originally from there. She's just earthy crunch not earthy crunchy,

871
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: but just very in tune with.

872
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: I consider those positives. So I'm allowing the earthy crunchy.

873
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: The older I get, the more earthy and crunchy I become.

874
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: But it's wonderful. Tell me about your husband. What's he like.

875
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: He's very tall, he's a realtor. I met him because

876
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: he was doing a satirical sports website in Chicago, so

877
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: kind of like the Onion for Chicago sports. So there

878
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: was a fit right there.

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00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah.

880
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're taking my mom to Africa. She's never been,

881
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: and my dad's never been particularly interested, so we always

882
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: like blocks it by making plans for other trips. And

883
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: we said, that's it. We're planning it. We're putting on dad.

884
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: If you don't want to come, that's fine, but we're

885
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: taking mom. So it's going to be it's going to

886
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: be awesome.

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00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: I'm excited. I'm glad that you got do that, Sarah.

888
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: I did that, and with my parents, we it was

889
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: It's magical, very special and magical. Yeah, any place you

890
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: want to go that you haven't been yet.

891
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: My next two top places are Machu Picchu and the Galapagos.

892
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: All my choices are places that humans are ruining, and

893
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: I want to get there before we keep you know,

894
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: affecting the wildlife and the nature. And yeah, the speed

895
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: round is how we're closing. So you've interviewed just about everyone.

896
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: Who were you most nervous to sit down with?

897
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: Oh? Any politician? I still do this day. I always

898
00:48:53,120 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: have been, because it's just I don't I'm not a

899
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: political person. Just to see right now, I start stumbling

900
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 2: just the thought of talking with the politician and they're

901
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: so careful, and they're so and it's you know, it's

902
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: very rare that you would talk with someone who's in

903
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: politics who can just just answer the question, you know,

904
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: you know, that's all I ask. And sometimes it's like

905
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: they they know the answer even before you ask the question,

906
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: because they're just going to answer what they want. So

907
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: I get very, I get I just get very. I'm

908
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: just rather not.

909
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: Who would you most like to interview that you haven't yet?

910
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: Oh? Who would I like to? Well? I used to

911
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: say Nelson Mandela. He's no longer with us, but I

912
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: always wanted I always wanted to to sit down with him.

913
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: I just I just admired that man so much here.

914
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: He could have been somebody who was about retaliation and

915
00:49:53,840 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: he was about reconciliation. But currently, currently it's really tough

916
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 2: because because you get everybody.

917
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: No I'm not.

918
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, but there's not anybody that that

919
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: I look at, like a Nelson Mandela, that I would

920
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 2: want to want to speak to.

921
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: Right, what's your most relatable flaw.

922
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: My most relatable flaw? My most relatable flaw? Oh my goodness, oh,

923
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: oh my gosh. I'm never gonna ask that, and I

924
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: trust me, It's not like I don't have flaws. I'm

925
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: just trying to feel like, you know, they always feel

926
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: unique to me. Uh, I got you know, my most

927
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: relatable flaw needless worry and I and that is a flaw.

928
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: This it just drives me crazy. And sometimes I will

929
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: worry needlessly about something that never comes to pass, and

930
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: then I get angry because it's like all this wasted

931
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: energy you suffered.

932
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's very relatable. What's your biggest luxury?

933
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: My biggest luxury, My biggest luxury, there's very very There's

934
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: several ways I could answer that. My biggest luxury is

935
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: knowing I'm living the life I'm supposed to live and

936
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: I know I'm not trying to be like, you know,

937
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: funny or you know, trying to but that is a luxury.

938
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: I know. I know why I'm here, and I love

939
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: what I do and I'm I'm flawed and I love

940
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: every second of it, and I think that is a

941
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: that's a true luxury to fill. I like me. I

942
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: feel like that.

943
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: Look you're Sally Field. They like me, they really like me,

944
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: but you're talking about yourself.

945
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: That that, that, to me, is a luxury.

946
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: What's your guilty pleasure? TV binge Ooh, I'm not.

947
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: A big TV binger, amber Is. It drives me freaking crazy. Sometimes.

948
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 2: I did the White Lotus. I love to be late

949
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: to the game. Yeah, a white Lotus. I want to

950
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: see the Resident.

951
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, me too. It got canceled already, which is

952
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: a bummer, so it won't be back.

953
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 2: I did the first two seasons of The Bear. Yes,

954
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: I love that Yellow Jackets. Yeah, but yeah, I'm not

955
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: a Yeah.

956
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: Those are good ones. I like to be late to

957
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: the game too because I don't have that much time,

958
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: so I need everybody to tell me how great it is.

959
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, Okay, I'll watch it. One last

960
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 1: question for you. If you look at Robin Roberts beyond

961
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: the news desk, you'll find fill in the blank.

962
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: You will find I don't think people really you know,

963
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 2: they see me as being ernest and a thriver and

964
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: you know, spiritual. I did my morning message, and I

965
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: appreciate all that. I've love to crack people up. I

966
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: love to surprise people with my humor. I think people

967
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: would be would be very surprised that I'm not as

968
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: earnest as I come across to be. I'm not a

969
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: practical joker, and my dad taught me the difference. I'm not.

970
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: I don't like to be silly. I like to be funny.

971
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: There's a difference between being silly and being funny. And

972
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: that time with you has been a lot of fun.

973
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: Thank you. It was so great to talk to you.

974
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: I always learned so much. Really appreciate it.

975
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: You're really cool. Sarah Spain, thank you seriously. When I

976
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: saw you at the w NBA All Star Game, you know,

977
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 2: in the pregame little area which was like a club, wasn't.

978
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: It a yeah?

979
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: But seeing folks, but I have I have the utmost

980
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 2: respect for you, and I think you said it well

981
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: how you mentioned yourself and Jamel there. We need strong

982
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: women like you that tell it like it is and

983
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: you're fighting the good fight for all of us. I

984
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 2: appreciate you, I really do. I hope you know that.

985
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: Means a lot. It really does. I'm gonna clip that

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Speaker 1: off and that's me my morning meditation Robin Roberts. A Cool,

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Speaker 1: Good Game with Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports

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992
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